SC Owners: Which Supercharger do you have? [Archive]

NickACS

11-30-2003, 03:16 PM

Since I have AA (and voted), check AA's website for all the times of the various E46 models...They are all on there, with dyno graphs..

1: Can be used as daily driver?
Of course! Mine was at first, until I "retired" it and got a beater since I compete with it...But there is nothing wrong driving it daily

2: Lifetime of engine?
Shouldn't be a problem if installed right. Samir and I had many talks about this and DonDon had a '99 328i with ESS with no probs. Shouldn't be a concern

3: Affect gas mileage?
Mine is about same or a little higher in fact :) Still getting about 19-20 city and 27/28 hwy. I was getting like 18-19 city and 25/26 hwy pre-s/c days..

Good luck and whichever you choose...All 3 have be proven worthy enough and many board members here now have all 3 you mentioned :)

cowmoo32

11-30-2003, 03:36 PM

If you do get an AA, now is the time. I just looked at their site, and your SC'er is discounted big time.

Iniquity

11-30-2003, 03:50 PM

I don't have one but I myself would go with either AA or ASA...

tpzblu330ci

11-30-2003, 03:53 PM

How much more power does the ASA kit make then the Technik Stage 4 power kit.

simsima325

11-30-2003, 03:54 PM

i got the little electric one, it aweeeeeesome :lmao:

this is a good thread tho

Jlevi SW

11-30-2003, 05:20 PM

I don't know why I even came in here. ;(

ASA Stg II is reguarded as one of the best.

mattman

11-30-2003, 05:24 PM

I figured it would be worthwhile for folks doing research to see who has what and what their experience has been.

If you DON't have an SC please don't vote as it would be inaccurate.

ALSO: For all of you SC owners please add a post reply to give us your feedback. This way we can also know who has what.

mattman

11-30-2003, 05:27 PM

All three have had positive feedbacks in the past. ESS has been known to be stable but at times overrated on the HP production as it's mainly tuned for Euro E46 cars and gas.

AA is pretty impressive but don't know alot of owners. They are US based which I think is a HUGE plus and offer an intercooler. They also have good promos for their kits. The Rotrex blower is suppose to be nice also.

ASA: From what I've read, gives probably the best OUTPUT of HP. I don't know much more then that.

thekubiaks

11-30-2003, 06:50 PM

Tornado Jay

11-30-2003, 07:34 PM

i just recently got the ASA SK1 on my car and im loving it !!!!!!! :) One of the best if not the best investments on my car

mattman

11-30-2003, 07:47 PM

Also.. if you all can post the COST and COST of labor of your SC.. that'll be great too! Thanks, Mattman

mattman

11-30-2003, 11:02 PM

16 votes so far and ASA is in the lead with 1/2 the votes..
:bump:

Iniquity

11-30-2003, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by tpzblu330ci
How much more power does the ASA kit make then the Technik Stage 4 power kit.

I believe the technik power kits use the ASA S/C

someone correct me if I'm wrong...

NickACS

11-30-2003, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by Iniquity

I believe the technik power kits use the ASA S/C

someone correct me if I'm wrong...

I don't think so..
The Technik power kits are for NA power only: Intake/ECU/Headers/Camshafts/Throttle-Body/Ported-Head

ASA s/c is a stand-alone supercharger unit, or can be combined with Technik power kits. Just ask xS3x :D

itzjonjon69

11-30-2003, 11:17 PM

anyone have the web site to ASA?

NickACS

11-30-2003, 11:23 PM

For me, I'm unfortunately semi-"contractual" not to divulge the price I got from AA. My deal was a one-time promo price that included labor by AA.

If you call them and ask to speak to Rey, he can help you get a good price :) Tell'em Nick sent ya :D

mattman

11-30-2003, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Jpatel2403
i just recently got the ASA SK1 on my car and im loving it !!!!!!! :) One of the best if not the best investments on my car

What held you back from getting SK2? Cost? Is there an upgrade path from SK1 to SK2?

NickACS

11-30-2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by mattman
What held you back from getting SK2? Cost? Is there an upgrade path from SK1 to SK2?

Nope, whole different blower b/t SKI & SKII...So you better make your mind up first which one! hehe ;)

Tornado Jay

11-30-2003, 11:38 PM

What held me back is i have a slush box :( and im preety sure im not going to switch to a manual tranny but you never know :)

NickACS

11-30-2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Jpatel2403
What held me back is i have a slush box :( and im preety sure im not going to switch to a manual tranny but you never know :)

Yea, ASA SKII is NOT for auto cars! Way too much power, but really the torque...Grrr... hehe

mattman

11-30-2003, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by NickACS

Yea, ASA SKII is NOT for auto cars! Way too much power, but really the torque...Grrr... hehe

Nick,

You went with AA instead of the ASA kits... Care to share your thought process and decision criteria? I know that you got a deal on your AA kit but wanted to get your feedback..
Thx

Nt_loader

11-30-2003, 11:55 PM

What held you back from getting SK2? Cost? Is there an upgrade path from SK1 to SK2?

The SKI I should be enough power for most drivers unless youre a speed and power freak like me. You can always swap out your pulley for a smaller one, I beleive there is a 12psi pulley available for the ASA SK I that will produce over 400hp. You can also upgrade the injectors, FPR, ecu software etc etc etc. The possibilities are endless, it just depends on your wallet.

I installed the SK I kit on my car a few months ago w/o a single problem, well I had clutch issues but they are all resolved now. The kit has alot of power, you will be able to beat most of the cars on the road. The main reason I choose the asa kit is that you can feel the boost early in the power band and you dont have to wait to reach 4500rpm like all the other blowers out there.

The 330 block can handle ~400hp without changing any internals and still be considered safe for our cars. I would reccomend getting the ASA SKI with a combination of tecknik NA parts. You might want to start with just the blower and some headers.

qzbeemer

11-30-2003, 11:57 PM

this is a great thread...

What would you guys recommend for an auto 325??

I don't know... I think in my case, it'd be a waste of money... but it would be nice!

Q

Tornado Jay

12-01-2003, 12:01 AM

Hey crispvx can you tell me more about this 12psi pulley i know obviously the car would have to be a manual tranny to take all this power but i am just curious

Nt_loader

12-01-2003, 12:06 AM

Jpatel2403 yes the car would have to be a manual. I considered this option but realized it was not a good idea as I dont want to rebuild my internals just yet.

How much power are you looking for? What is your budget?

Nt_loader

12-01-2003, 12:10 AM

qzbeemer it would not be a waste of money, you just have to realize what your max gains will be and how much your willing to spend for them.

Send Samir @ renn sport an email or maybe you might want to consider some NA mods. You can always swap out your tranny.

Tornado Jay

12-01-2003, 12:12 AM

im not worried about the budget right know just curious around how much the ball park figure and also other "modifications" i can do to the Sk1 to get more obviously i know the first thing i need to do is a tranny swap but after that what is the SK1 capable of??

Nt_loader

12-01-2003, 12:20 AM

You can get ~ 330 HP out of the ASA SKI without any other mods.

Check www.renn-sport.net for pricing of the blower.

You will notice the HP gains of the SKII are minimal for the cost unless you get a great deal. With the 1500 price difference you can get some headers and exhaust and be just about there.

If you go SKII with some headers and exhaust, well you get the picture.

If you plan on getting 450 - 500 hp out of your car, I would go SKII and technik stage 4 along with some pistons. You might also want to consider adding a different ecu to manage your engine with. I would leave the stock ecu in place to manage all the minor stuff and use a better one to manage the engine. With that kind of HP you want to be able to tune your car on the fly.

BTW, the piggy back ecu systems are worthless.

Mods you can do to SKI:

Larger injectors
Bell FPR
Smaller pulley, 8spi (safe) 12psi(insane)
Ecu reprogram
TB

NickACS

12-01-2003, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by mattman
Nick,

You went with AA instead of the ASA kits... Care to share your thought process and decision criteria? I know that you got a deal on your AA kit but wanted to get your feedback..
Thx

Sure, my pleasure...
Back in the early Summer I spoke with Samir for about 3 months prior about the ASA SKI for Steptronic cars. It can be done, but ASA makes a "special" Steptronic version at 5psi, instead of the 6.5psi for regular SKI users. The only diff was the pulley size if I remember correctly. The 5psi makes about 300Hp, while SKI is around 320Hp or so...

At that time, Samir had a great price for me, as well as AA. Both were great kits and to be honest, had a real TOUGH time deciding. But basically came down to two things for me *personally*:

1: Installation.
If I lived in CA, I would have done ASA hands down. The east coast dealer for ASA is GSM located in North Carolina. Then Ultima Performance in NY started getting the kits, but again, too far away. AA is in Miami, still about 10 hrs from me, but having the actual s/c company do the install made me a little more "comfortable" than say GSM or Ultima. If I lived by either of those places, again, I would have done ASA most likely.
With ASA or AA, I could have had a local mechanic do the install, but again, I felt much more "safer" with AA doing the actual install than someone else.

2: Price.
As I mentioned, I had attractive prices from each company, but AA had a better deal & install than ASA.

3: Reputation.
Back in June, really only one person had ASA blower and that was 'Cabrioguy', who I guess doesn't post anymore. Now with lots more ASA users, it's great , but back then, I couldn't forsee the future and because AA's been around for 14+ years, I couldn't beat it.

I couldn't be happier with my choice and love it everyday. Nothing beats it personally and feel it was well worth it. Remind you, I didn't buy a s/c go out and seek racing other cars/M3s. Not my purpose. I just wanted to more "oomph" and that's just what I got :)

My final words are that I've seen both kits in person and find both equally as pleasing :) I don't think again anyone could go wrong with either, just matter of what your looking for.

Hope this helps everyone :) Any questions, feel free to ask..

mattman

12-01-2003, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by NickACS

Sure, my pleasure...
Back in the early Summer I spoke with Samir for about 3 months prior about the ASA SKI for Steptronic cars. It can be done, but ASA makes a "special" Steptronic version at 5psi, instead of the 6.5psi for regular SKI users. The only diff was the pulley size if I remember correctly. The 5psi makes about 300Hp, while SKI is around 320Hp or so...

At that time, Samir had a great price for me, as well as AA. Both were great kits and to be honest, had a real TOUGH time deciding. But basically came down to two things for me *personally*:

1: Installation.
If I lived in CA, I would have done ASA hands down. The east coast dealer for ASA is GSM located in North Carolina. Then Ultima Performance in NY started getting the kits, but again, too far away. AA is in Miami, still about 10 hrs from me, but having the actual s/c company do the install made me a little more "comfortable" than say GSM or Ultima. If I lived by either of those places, again, I would have done ASA most likely.
With ASA or AA, I could have had a local mechanic do the install, but again, I felt much more "safer" with AA doing the actual install than someone else.

2: Price.
As I mentioned, I had attractive prices from each company, but AA had a better deal & install than ASA.

3: Reputation.
Back in June, really only one person had ASA blower and that was 'Cabrioguy', who I guess doesn't post anymore. Now with lots more ASA users, it's great , but back then, I couldn't forsee the future and because AA's been around for 14+ years, I couldn't beat it.

I couldn't be happier with my choice and love it everyday. Nothing beats it personally and feel it was well worth it. Remind you, I didn't buy a s/c go out and seek racing other cars/M3s. Not my purpose. I just wanted to more "oomph" and that's just what I got :)

My final words are that I've seen both kits in person and find both equally as pleasing :) I don't think again anyone could go wrong with either, just matter of what your looking for.

Hope this helps everyone :) Any questions, feel free to ask..

Excellent response!! I drive an M3 so I am not doing this POLL for my sake but..
1. I am an E46 enthusiast and think an SC is a terrific mod although one of the more expensive ones.
2. I searched and nobody has done this type of poll. I've seen threads on "which one should I get" but none that took a snapshot of the E46 community and the SCs that are running on their cars.
3. I'm big on research and information.. So I am hoping this thread will help others in making their decision if they choose to go with an SC.

I know there's more out there.. (I know there's more ESS folks especially).

mattman

12-01-2003, 04:58 AM

:bump:

thekubiaks

12-01-2003, 10:06 AM

I've had the ESS supercharger in my 01' 330i since 01/03. So far, the S/C has been flawless from a mechanical standpoint. I installed the SC myself, and didn't have any problems. The only issue I've had is getting a dyno to give me true readings. I've tried 2 wheel and 4 wheel Mustang dynos and the HP and torque numbers are so erratic that the runs are a writeoff. I talk to ESS frequently and they are always responsive and return my emails too. They say that it has to be the DSC on my car interfering with the dyno. They say I should remove the plug from the DSC unit in the car to eliminate the DSC completely instead of just holding the DSC button down for 10secs. I haven't tried that one because of all the OBD codes that I'll have to deal with. We eliminated all of the other culprits. I thought it might be a knock sensor rolling back the ignition so ESS sent me the latest software that reduces ignition rollback but requires at least 93 octane. I run 93 octane plus NOS Octane Booster, so that itsn't a factor. The newest software smoothed the car out even more than it already was.

Since I can't get an HP "verifying" dyno run, I tried some 1/4 mile runs. Without trying to hard, my car is in the low 14's and 0-60 in the low 5's. If I really got on it, the 13's and high 4's are doable. I raced my buddy in a 01' twin turbo S4 that had been chipped. He would surge ahead at every shift but once we hit 100 mph, I was gone. I think his stock turbos hit the volume limit. At 140mph, the car was pulling hard so I know the SC was doing something GOOD. ;) As for the seat of the pants, once I get this car up over 4000 rpm's and into the boosting range (sweet spot) of the SC, it really starts to pull. It'll scare the crap out of you on twisty roads if you keep the engine "wound up" I had considered pulling out the SC because of the erratic dyno runs but after how well the engine runs with the new software, ESS being cooperative, and the big smile I get on my face when I wind up the car, I'm gonna keep it, screw the dyno, where is Juan Pablo Montoya, I'll smoke him....your mileage may vary...

mattman

12-01-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by thekubiaks
I've had the ESS supercharger in my 01' 330i since 01/03. So far, the S/C has been flawless from a mechanical standpoint. I installed the SC myself, and didn't have any problems. The only issue I've had is getting a dyno to give me true readings. I've tried 2 wheel and 4 wheel Mustang dynos and the HP and torque numbers are so erratic that the runs are a writeoff....

I believe you are not the only one with a hard time verifying the HP numbers.

Have you tried running with another SC 330i? To see if you can keep up or pull on other SC'ed 330i? the ones that have the ASA or AA..

cheffy

12-01-2003, 04:41 PM

Crispxv: To my knowledge ( i read it on rennsport forums ) that the the SKII not only includes a diff blower, but also includes header and asa exhaust as well (so with that in mind, the 1500 is worth the difference)

Nt_loader

12-01-2003, 07:17 PM

I must haved missed the part that included the header and exhaust. Well then it looks like everyone should chase down the SKII.

mattman

12-01-2003, 09:46 PM

:bump:

Nt_loader

12-01-2003, 10:14 PM

WOW I didnt know so many people had supercharger kits on this forum, especially 14 ASA/Kellener kits.

Tornado Jay

12-01-2003, 10:15 PM

Tell me bout it 30 people WOW plus i know two more people are getting a ASA kit crazy

mattman

12-01-2003, 10:16 PM

yeah!! 31 now.. I just wish they post a reply though :(

CWE46

12-02-2003, 12:00 AM

What do each of these kits do for a fuel setup?

Larger injectors + re-flashing ECU?
Standalone systems?
boost dependent fuel pressure regulator ?(LETS HOPE NOT)
Piggyback stystem?

and which setups come with an Intercooler?

wyu

12-02-2003, 01:19 AM

sorry, i voted, but didn't post anything.. i'm shy.. I have the ASA unit. :eeps:

mattman

12-02-2003, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by wyu
sorry, i voted, but didn't post anything.. i'm shy.. I have the ASA unit. :eeps:

Nearly 500 posts.. you ain't shy..

Nice list of mods.. have you tried to DYNO you car? How do you like your SK1?

wyu

12-02-2003, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by mattman

Nearly 500 posts.. you ain't shy..

Nice list of mods.. have you tried to DYNO you car? How do you like your SK1?

I'm loving every second of owning the SK1, power is smooooth. dynoed the car, before exhaust, and was putting out 271hp and 248 tq at the wheels in 90 degree weather.

HighBoostin330

12-02-2003, 01:35 AM

I don't have a supercharger cause of the warranty bug :banghead: I have talked to many people like MarvelPhx and they say that any supercharger without an ECU flash is bad for the engine to "adjust" to it. ASA does not have a ECU flash, so wouldn't the engine get extremely worn out and eventually give out in like >100,000 cause I want to keep the car for a length of time like my e30 318i :thumbup: . I'm confused on this whole "touchy" BMW ECU and engine system.

mattman

12-02-2003, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by AzN2k4
I don't have a supercharger cause of the warranty bug :banghead: I have talked to many people like MarvelPhx and they say that any supercharger without an ECU flash is bad for the engine to "adjust" to it. ASA does not have a ECU flash, so wouldn't the engine get extremely worn out and eventually give out in like >100,000 cause I want to keep the car for a length of time like my e30 318i :thumbup: . I'm confused on this whole "touchy" BMW ECU and engine system.

That is a good point. With more concentration of AIR i'm curious if the ECU is adjusting the AFM to compensate. I know that software tuning should yield better numbers but unsure if it's harmful. I'm sure running a lean AFM is not good for the car..

AA and ESS both have software..

mattman

12-02-2003, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by CWE46
What do each of these kits do for a fuel setup?

Larger injectors + re-flashing ECU?
Standalone systems?
boost dependent fuel pressure regulator ?(LETS HOPE NOT)
Piggyback stystem?

and which setups come with an Intercooler?

Here's what AA includes..

"This system delivers instantaneous power and high low end torque that is unfamiliar to other types of superchargers currently available. The system is designed to perform on super unleaded gasoline without the aids of "Piggy Back" fuel management systems or other ancillary "Add ons".
(See the Dyno chart for RWH data).

This Supercharger Kit Includes:

Revolutionary new, compact design supercharger
8 PSI boost with over 320+ BHP at the crank
Special uni-belt with additional rollers
Front mounted intercooler to keep the power high
Front mounted oil cooler. The supercharger has it's own separate oil system with reservoir
6 high flow injectors
Bypass valve
Mandrel bent tubing
High temperature hoses with clamps
K&N air filter
All installation hardware included
Dyno tweaked software included
Warranty on Supercharger Parts
1 year/unlimited mileage
CD Installation guideline with pictures
12.0 Hrs Installation recommended
Technical support included"

wyu

12-02-2003, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by mattman

That is a good point. With more concentration of AIR i'm curious if the ECU is adjusting the AFM to compensate. I know that software tuning should yield better numbers but unsure if it's harmful. I'm sure running a lean AFM is not good for the car..

AA and ESS both have software..

When i dynoed my car, i did a a/f ratio reading, and it came up fine. :dunno:

mattman

12-02-2003, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by wyu

I'm loving every second of owning the SK1, power is smooooth. dynoed the car, before exhaust, and was putting out 271hp and 248 tq at the wheels in 90 degree weather.

Nice..
I know the AA comes out to 277.5 HP @ 6500 RPM and 245.5 Ft-Lbs @ 5250 RPM which is right in line. Plus, ASA offers the SK2. I just wish ASA were US based but what do you get from buyin a german car. I had a 330ci and was very close in going w/ an SC but decided to trade and go for an M3.

jtecnik

12-02-2003, 02:00 AM

Hope everything turns out good...just turn my car in today to renn-sport for ASA SK1

mattman

12-02-2003, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by jtecnik
Hope everything turns out good...just turn my car in today to renn-sport for ASA SK1

Is renn-sport in Cali? So they sell and have a shop to install?

wyu

12-02-2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by mattman

Is renn-sport in Cali? So they sell and have a shop to install?

Yes, that is where I brought my car to have the ASA kit installed. RENN-sports shop! :thumbup:
Mattman, yes, the AA kit seems to put out abit more HP than my setup. But the AA kit is also putting out 8 psi, vs ASA's 6.5 psi..

Hrm, time to upgarde my asa pulley :pimpin:

mattman

12-02-2003, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by wyu

Yes, that is where I brought my car to have the ASA kit installed. RENN-sports shop! :thumbup:
Mattman, yes, the AA kit seems to put out abit more HP than my setup. But the AA kit is also putting out 8 psi, vs ASA's 6.5 psi..

Hrm, time to upgarde my asa pulley :pimpin:

When you did your dyno before you exhaust, did you have the other mods also? pulleys.. etc? I wonder what your NET was from the ASA SK1..

wyu

12-02-2003, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by mattman

When you did your dyno before you exhaust, did you have the other mods also? pulleys.. etc? I wonder what your NET was from the ASA SK1..

Nope, the dyno was the asa kit only, as far as power goes. Unfortunatly, I did not do a before dyno. Stock, I'm guessing around 180-190 to the wheels???? :dunno:

mbanks21

12-02-2003, 09:16 AM

With all this info about SC's, how many of you guys would get a 325 or 330 and SC it vs. getting an M3??

Nt_loader

12-02-2003, 11:12 AM

I am going to dyno my car this saturday, hopefully the snow will be gone by then.

Main reason I got the ASA kit is that its the only supercharger that boosts at low rpms. I can feel the boost at 2k rpms and I dont have to wait until 4500K rpms to feel anything like the other kits.

mattman

12-02-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by crispvx
I am going to dyno my car this saturday, hopefully the snow will be gone by then.

Main reason I got the ASA kit is that its the only supercharger that boosts at low rpms. I can feel the boost at 2k rpms and I dont have to wait until 4500K rpms to feel anything like the other kits.

I believe that's what AA also claims. I think they both use the Rotrex blower also..

OK.. last :bump:

wyu

12-02-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by mattman

I believe that's what AA also claims. I think they both use the Rotrex blower also..

OK.. last :bump:

AA uses the rotrex blower, ASA uses their own in house blower. ASA turbomex.

One thing I like about the ASA is that it is clutched. (nearly silent at idle) I don't beleive Rotrex is clutched...

xS3x

12-02-2003, 03:13 PM

i'm also ASAed;)

mattman

12-02-2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by wyu

AA uses the rotrex blower, ASA uses their own in house blower. ASA turbomex.

One thing I like about the ASA is that it is clutched. (nearly silent at idle) I don't beleive Rotrex is clutched...

Oh.. OK thanks for the clarification.. I guess I just looked at it and it looked the same as AAs..

So many ESS votes but not many are replying.. hmm..
Close race between ESS and ASA..

Nt_loader

12-02-2003, 07:32 PM

We should arrange a race between two 330's, one with an ASA blower and the other with the ESS blower.

Anyone in NY willing to give this a try? I have the ASA one.

xS3x

12-02-2003, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by crispvx
We should arrange a race between two 330's, one with an ASA blower and the other with the ESS blower.

Anyone in NY willing to give this a try? I have the ASA one.

lol, we all know the outcome on this one..there is no arugment that the ASA puts down the most power

RichP

12-02-2003, 08:22 PM

cute330xi and rrbuggz have conducted this race...I "heard" that the ASA car pulls a little harder at highway speeds..

xS3x

12-02-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by RichP
cute330xi and rrbuggz have conducted this race...I "heard" that the ASA car pulls a little harder at highway speeds..

but doesn't dre have a higher boosting pulley?

mattman

12-02-2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by crispvx
We should arrange a race between two 330's, one with an ASA blower and the other with the ESS blower.

Anyone in NY willing to give this a try? I have the ASA one.

Sounds like a great challenge!! Maybe you can find a AA person also and do runs with all 3 (safely of course).
We'd know who to ask if only the 39 votes would post who and what they have.

HighBoostin330

12-03-2003, 08:12 PM

So what is the answer guys??? Will installin' superchargers without an ECU reprogram bad???

Here is what MarvelPhx said: "they brag about the ASA simply for the torque it makes... its simple physics really, to make moer boost at lower rpms, it has to take more power from the engine....it still makes the same boost numbers as the ESS, but they have to run the compressor up to like 9-10-12 psi to get thru the intercooler and piping. the engine has to turn the compressor...intercoolers dont necessarily make more power, just keep the engine from soaking...oil cooler is useless...AA makes the same hp as the ESS?"

So is a non-flash (non-reprogramming) ECU gonna hurt the engine's life more than its suppose to???

*Flame suit on*

cRAzYgUy

12-03-2003, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by cheffy
Crispxv: To my knowledge ( i read it on rennsport forums ) that the the SKII not only includes a diff blower, but also includes header and asa exhaust as well (so with that in mind, the 1500 is worth the difference)

are you sure the skII includes headers and exhaust?

russ330

12-03-2003, 08:56 PM

^^ Well I believe that either renn-sport, or ASA are going to have software ready soon, so I guess it's a moot point sorta. If the lack of software is supposed to be some kinda 'knock' on ASA, that's not gonna last for much longer now is it?? ;)

Alan L.

12-04-2003, 09:59 AM

Good post...

I've heard that with the ASA SKI kit, people are getting check engine lights due to lean codes. Even with the FPR set at full rich. The AF looked decent but wasn't exactly perfect throughout the entire rev band.

As for AA....have not heard of anything negative about their kits except for an early batch of rotrex blowers having a bad seal causing premature failure. I think the problem only affected a limited number of blowers which was replaced by AA.

One thing I like the ASA kit over the AA kit is that the turbomex blower isn't running at max potential yet. I was told the AA Rotrex blower is at about max boost with the 8psi pulley. I wonder if I would be able to run a ASA 7psi /8psi pulley in my 323 manual safely?

I would like to see more people with either of these blowers comment on ANY issues they've had.

Need to do some more research and finalize my choice soon.

Anyone want to sponsor me?? :)

Alan

Nt_loader

12-04-2003, 10:12 AM

I've heard that with the ASA SKI kit, people are getting check engine lights due to lean codes.

I dont get any SES lights and I drive my car like a mofo each time I get in it. I did get a SES light when I first installed the kit, but after tuning, it has never come back on.

cheffy

12-04-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by cRAzYgUy

are you sure the skII includes headers and exhaust?

yeah, that's what i've read on rennsport. For sure the exhaust is included cause Samir has mentioned it a few times. The header, i'm not 100% sure.

xS3x

12-04-2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by crispvx

I dont get any SES lights and I drive my car like a mofo each time I get in it. I did get a SES light when I first installed the kit, but after tuning, it has never come back on.

same here:thumbup:

quadrophiend

12-04-2003, 07:41 PM

Hey, I know this was touched on briefly earlier.. but does anyone on here have a S/C'd 325?

I have a 325 Manual and i'd really like to put down more power... I know i know.. i should've gotten a 330.. but that isn't going to happen at this point in the game... so besides getting a whole new car.. what do you guys recommend (SC owners or otherwise) for getting that extra oompf that NickACS was talking about...

mattman

12-06-2003, 05:50 AM

last bump

K-white330ci

12-06-2003, 08:23 AM

Asa for me too!!

flashinthepan

12-06-2003, 05:28 PM

Regarding S/C's....

to those who have them,

Do you find the idle and daily driving attributes are still smooth ??

From what I gather a S/C on a factory stock motor will "safely" get you 60 hp on a 330...not quite M3 power but close.

Any thoughts ?????:D

K-white330ci

12-06-2003, 05:39 PM

anybody have a pix of asa skI and skII blowers??
how is it different?

mtfour

01-14-2004, 01:22 PM

This is an excellent thread on forced induction. It is possible to move it into the Forced Induction forum?

hakjai

01-14-2004, 09:57 PM

xS3x

01-15-2004, 03:22 AM

this was the most interesting read ive had in a while, i have a couple of questions, the first is addressing what was said earlier about how the ASA sk1 makes use of technik power packages, is this true? is this sc compatible with technik's NA cams, or just the headers and exhaust?
the other question is it was mentioned that the ASA kit does not come with any kind of software, what kind of fuel management does the kit come with? and anybody in the ny, nj, pa area know of any shops or recommend any who did your installs and tuning?
thanks, btw this fi section is great

ASA does not use technik power kits, but RENNsport can custom the power kit to squeeze out even more power from the 3.0L.

ASA uses a piggy back system which has be proven to work on all occassions.

you can shoot sales@rennsport.com an email to find out a recommended installer

mattman

01-20-2004, 12:36 AM

I'm glad to see this thread revived. I hope it helps all you E46 SC hopeful. I was torn between SCing my 330CI or moving towards an M3. The decision came down to the fact that I wanted to move to a manual and thus needed to change cars. By then, I opted for the M3.

Notice that there are 42 SC users. That's a SOLID number. 1 is running the ATP turbo and most are running either ESS, AA, or the ASA kit. You can find many of the owners posted here so that you can ask/PM them for questions..

MrFear23

01-22-2004, 12:45 AM

Sorry if I missed this but have any of your SC'ed rides ran against an E46 M3? If so, what was the outcome? How did they do?

xS3x

01-22-2004, 01:05 AM

Sorry if I missed this but have any of your SC'ed rides ran against an E46 M3? If so, what was the outcome? How did they do?

I ran with a C32 with EVOsport Stage 2 power kit upgrade and was side by side with him all the way up to third gear :pimpin:

MrFear23

01-22-2004, 01:20 AM

I ran with a C32 with EVOsport Stage 2 power kit upgrade and was side by side with him all the way up to third gear :pimpin:

What is the power rating for your ride? I'm sure he wasn't expecting that.

xS3x

01-22-2004, 04:00 AM

What is the power rating for your ride? I'm sure he wasn't expecting that.
312RWHP with a 85 degree so cal weather..

dynoed in 3rd gear too.. ;)

Staszek

01-22-2004, 10:48 AM

After reading everything here, I am looking at the ASA kit too. What kind of numbers will it get on a 323i manual?

Boosted330

01-29-2004, 04:15 PM

my AA will be in shortly ;) oh and im in NY, my friend has an ESS Manual, diff, etc. mine will be just blower w/ steptronic tranny. ill let u kno how it turns out.

-Robby

Section_8

01-29-2004, 05:13 PM

After reading everything here, I am looking at the ASA kit too. What kind of numbers will it get on a 323i manual?

bump

I'm interested in this as well.. Thinking my 323i manual is going to turn into my 'fun' and 'track' ride, as I move into something bigger for the family (5 of some sort).

Nick I know you're local to me (I see ya on bimmerforums too!), I need to talk to you some about sc's my man.. :)

:pimpin:

hamann 330Ci

03-24-2004, 03:03 AM

i got the little electric one, it aweeeeeesome :lmao:

this is a good thread tho

did anyone actually try taht electric one??
it said it will boost 20 hp haha

richbmw323

03-24-2004, 10:22 AM

AA kit here :thumbup:

Smoothpnoy

04-06-2004, 06:22 PM

seeing that i'm one of the few people here with an Xi, i've read that only AA and ESS have kits for Xi owners. why isn't it possible to bolt on the ASA unit if it's just connected to the engine? i like the AA kit cuz it comes with a lot with software although the ASA kit is just about 30 mins away to get from Renn-sport. but what's this talk about ASA piggy-back??? help me out about the ASA kit for my Xi please. only other person i know who has S/C Xi is Normcaldwell on this forum and he has an ESS... but i do like that look of the Intercooler from AA....SO MANY VIABLE OPTIONS!!!

SiLvaC32

04-06-2004, 07:31 PM

since you do live in Cali, i'd get the ASA, so incase u got any problems... Rennsports got your back.

np2004

04-07-2004, 11:44 PM

I got a 04 330ci with step and want to put a supercharger in it which is the best for step and gives the biggest gains? Also im in Ohio so where is the closest place to have the installation done at and what kind of price should I expect? RMS has a good deal on a supercharger has anyone heard good things about theirs?

Mr Paddle.Shift

04-08-2004, 12:39 AM

np2004, I think all of us here agree not to go with RMS. Do a search and you can get a lot of feedback wrt to the different SC setups.

I got a 04 330ci with step and want to put a supercharger in it which is the best for step and gives the biggest gains? Also im in Ohio so where is the closest place to have the installation done at and what kind of price should I expect? RMS has a good deal on a supercharger has anyone heard good things about theirs?

xS3x

04-08-2004, 12:53 AM

np2004, I think all of us here agree not to go with RMS. Do a search and you can get a lot of feedback wrt to the different SC setups.
:werd:

anything but RMS...

Juha 323Ci

04-13-2004, 10:54 PM

3: Reputation.
Back in June, really only one person had ASA blower and that was 'Cabrioguy', who I guess doesn't post anymore. Now with lots more ASA users, it's great , but back then, I couldn't forsee the future and because AA's been around for 14+ years, I couldn't beat it.

I bought 'Cabrioguys' convertible in last August. I have put 20k miles on it since and haven't had a single problem. :thumbup: I really need to give him props for building a close to perfect E46 convertible! :bow:

I have thought about selling the car and buying a used Viper, but after reading all these posts in this FI forum, I think I'll just keep this 'piece of art' and make it even better... :)

erick-323i

05-04-2004, 11:20 PM

Sorry to insist with this question but this seems a good enough thread to just let it die :P ...

Can the S/ced people post their 1/4 mile and 0-60 times?

I have seen the S/cer manufacturers dynos; some say that for a 323i they boost up to 310BHP others 320BHP... this is nice, but a good way of testing all this HP is in the track (yes i know it depends on the driver, but i think most people here are fairly good drivers ;) ). I' m trying to continue this thread with actual G-tech data... maybe some of you can post your 0-60 and 1/4 times... i have found that in my particular car i can get the following with the AA SCer:

1/4 mile: 14.5 secs
0-60: 5.9 secs

I have heard some people saying that they have broken the 14 second mark? I need to practice my launch b/c i got a new flywheel and m3 clutch with the AA S/c but i don't know if i could break the 14 second mark. I have bough an ODB-II cable with software to verify my boost; need check if i have leaks. I will post results soon. Well, i think it would be nice to compare 1/4 speeds with some of you :thumbup:

Thanks in advance!

Nt_loader

05-05-2004, 07:34 PM

0 - 60 5.1

1/4 13.0 :thumbup:

erick-323i

05-06-2004, 12:40 AM

0 - 60 5.1

1/4 13.0 :thumbup:

Crispvx, niice! :thumbup: What setup are you running? I was searching the forum to try to find it but had no luck. I know you have an ASA S/c kit. How much are you boosting? I'm trying to get ideas for my next mods (Plasma coils, Racing pipe with high flow resonator, etc). Would appreciate any ideas. :dunno:

xS3x

05-06-2004, 12:52 AM

Crispvx, niice! :thumbup: What setup are you running? I was searching the forum to try to find it but had no luck. I know you have an ASA S/c kit. How much are you boosting? I'm trying to get ideas for my next mods (Plasma coils, Racing pipe with high flow resonator, etc). Would appreciate any ideas. :dunno:
I'd do the headers first before any of the other stuffs :thumbup:

Nt_loader

05-06-2004, 09:03 AM

Yes I agree, get headers before you do any of those other mods :thumbup:

yafool

05-12-2004, 02:11 PM

Lucky for me Rennsport is only a mile away down the street. Getting my SKI in a week after their tech comes back from vacation. Anyways, i talked to Sam about the SKII and he said that it not yet ready to be sold. ASA is still working on it. Maybe thats why no one has it yet :dunno: Anyone here have dynos from 325 s/c?? I just feel bad for the newer 325s who have the new SULEV motors. They cant S/C. heehee

cRAzYgUy

05-12-2004, 08:25 PM

Mr Paddle.Shift

05-12-2004, 09:14 PM

I believe SULEV means Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle. The engine is coded as M56, instead of M54.

cRAzYgUy

05-12-2004, 09:42 PM

thanks! :)

yafool

05-13-2004, 04:30 AM

Hey Vince, do you know if those new motors have a compromise in the power they make as compared with the m54s? i wonder what they did to the motors...... :dunno: I believe SULEV means Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle. The engine is coded as M56, instead of M54.

Mr Paddle.Shift

05-13-2004, 01:06 PM

Summary of the revisions done to M56:

• Pistons Revised to change spark travel path
• Catalytic Converters Ceramic carriers with high cell density for better “Warm Up” Control
• Oxygen Sensors Planar wide band O2 sensors in front of the cats
• Vanos Positioning changed during start up for improved start up and emissions
• Fuel Pump Control Revised with raised pressure and more accurate flow control
• Fuel Injectors New design for improved fuel flow and higher working pressure
• Fuel System All metal fuel system components made of stainless steel
• Air Intake System Revised to block HC escape
• Crankcase Ventilation Revised
• Secondary Air System Mass air flow sensor to monitor secondary air flow
• Cooling System Revised to reduce Ozone levels

Particularly of interest to me is the coating of the radiator with PremAir. It's a catalyst coating that covert Ozone to Oxygen.