M3 vs Supercharged 330i

[TaZaM3]

Driving down the 101 i see a dark e46 sedan, either black or orient. Said 330 on the back, had a intercooler in the front. I sttod by him dropped it to 3rd put sport on and let my throttle responce get to him. Well he took off hard, harder then i expected. Took awhile to catch, maybe like a second :yikes:, i passed hard. Till about 120 i was about 3-1/2 cars ahead. We exited together and i asked him what charger his running, he said AAA but meant ASA. Not AA (i asked him). He was surprised he couldnt beat me, so he wanted to go 1st gear roll on. So about 20 mph i double clutch and jump on him a car already, then i power shift, lose too much traction but still gain... Weird but he got pretty angry... :thumbup:

[Nt_loader]

Nice :thumbup:

Teach those SC'ed 330 guys not to mess with the M folk

[djyoungz]

what mods do you have done to your M3?

[TaZaM3]

Gruppe M intake, Full Exhuast, Gizmo, light rims, wide tires, and driver.

[djyoungz]

nice....i'd love to see a match up between u and crispvx....that would be a very interesting match up....

[JetBlackE46]

Driving down the 101 i see a dark e46 sedan, either black or orient. Said 330 on the back, had a intercooler in the front. I sttod by him dropped it to 3rd put sport on and let my throttle responce get to him. Well he took off hard, harder then i expected. Took awhile to catch, maybe like a second :yikes:, i passed hard. Till about 120 i was about 3-1/2 cars ahead. We exited together and i asked him what charger his running, he said AAA but meant ASA. Not AA (i asked him). He was surprised he couldnt beat me, so he wanted to go 1st gear roll on. So about 20 mph i double clutch and jump on him a car already, then i power shift, lose too much traction but still gain... Weird but he got pretty angry... :thumbup:

what's double clutch? what year m3 you have?

[djyoungz]

ACS330i have you taken your car to the track yet?....i would like to know wut times you are running....

[TaZaM3]

M3 is 2003.. Double clutch is when u press the clutch in and give it some gas then let go of the clutch (during acceleration.)

Never have tracked it yet, major engine mods are coming very soon.

[erick-323i]

M3 is 2003.. Double clutch is when u press the clutch in and give it some gas then let go of the clutch (during acceleration.)

Never have tracked it yet, major engine mods are coming very soon.

And here I though double clutching was engine rev matching, used when the car is moving and not from the start :dunno: ...well, mostly used for downshifting...

[TaZaM3]

Used for both, yes..

[668Ci]

Used for both, yes..
Hmm...isn't double clutching bad for the clutch?

[cRAzYgUy]

where in CALi did you race him?

[xS3x]

too bad you didn't see a black coupe..it would of been more fun :)

[Durgesh]

M3 is 2003.. Double clutch is when u press the clutch in and give it some gas then let go of the clutch (during acceleration.)

Never have tracked it yet, major engine mods are coming very soon.

Guys, there is a lot of mis-information surrounding Double Clutch'n.

What you are discribing off the light's or from standstill is simply "dumping the clutch" with a few rev's in store.

If doing the above that ACS330i discribed is simply just "Blip'n" the acceleration to match engine rev's of the lower gear.

Double Clutch'n
---------------
Say you are in 1st and want to go into 2nd. You usually come off the accelerator, push the clutch, change gear, off the clutch and back on the accelerator.

IF you wanted to use Double Clutch'n, to do the same operation you would do the following.

1. Come off the accelerator.
2. push the clutch
3. move from 1st to netural.
4. lift the clutch.
5. push the clutch
6. move from netural to 2nd.
7. lift the clutch
8. back on the accelerator.

This is what it really is. On really old car's back in the day! This what they had to do. I do this when I am break'n in a new car. But you really don't need to. Try it sometime, you will find you shift much much smoother, but takes A LOT of pratice to do this fast. It puts a lot less strain on your clutch.

Thanks you all for listening, next lessons will be on "Heal and Toe" and "Left foot breaking".... :thumbup: hehe

Durgesh

[///Mike GmbH]

last night a AUDI B5 (A4? or S4) tailgates me on highway, it had chrome side mirrors. maybe it's the new S4....anyway, it' raining so I didn't push my car all the way, only rev up to 5000 rpm and speed up to 130-140km/h. I'd say the audi is pretty damn quick, especially they are 4WD in the rain.

[burrito007]

yes, that is the right definition,

What he is talking about is dumping the clutch or side-stepping the clutch.

"granny shiftin, not double clutchin like ya should"
"ask any racer, any REAL racer"
"whether you win by an inch or a mile, winnin is winnin"

Guys, there is a lot of mis-information surrounding Double Clutch'n.

What you are discribing off the light's or from standstill is simply "dumping the clutch" with a few rev's in store.

If doing the above that ACS330i discribed is simply just "Blip'n" the acceleration to match engine rev's of the lower gear.

Double Clutch'n
---------------
Say you are in 1st and want to go into 2nd. You usually come off the accelerator, push the clutch, change gear, off the clutch and back on the accelerator.

IF you wanted to use Double Clutch'n, to do the same operation you would do the following.

1. Come off the accelerator.
2. push the clutch
3. move from 1st to netural.
4. lift the clutch.
5. push the clutch
6. move from netural to 2nd.
7. lift the clutch
8. back on the accelerator.

This is what it really is. On really old car's back in the day! This what they had to do. I do this when I am break'n in a new car. But you really don't need to. Try it sometime, you will find you shift much much smoother, but takes A LOT of pratice to do this fast. It puts a lot less strain on your clutch.

Thanks you all for listening, next lessons will be on "Heal and Toe" and "Left foot breaking".... :thumbup: hehe

Durgesh

[Durgesh]

"granny shiftin, not double clutchin like ya should"
"ask any racer, any REAL racer"
"whether you win by an inch or a mile, winnin is winnin"

Classic Line ! :thumbup:

Durgesh

[MSR-SyNKi]

Double Clutch'n
---------------


IF you wanted to use Double Clutch'n, to do the same operation you would do the following.

1. Come off the accelerator.
2. push the clutch
3. move from 1st to netural.
4. lift the clutch.
5. push the clutch
6. move from netural to 2nd.
7. lift the clutch
8. back on the accelerator.

This is what it really is. On really old car's back in the day! This what they had to do.

Exactly.

Some of this info is being confused with rev matching. Rev matching is used a lot for entering/exiting corners. Easier on the clutch and out of the corners faster.

[burrito007]

not to jack the thread or anything, but what turbo you running in your jdm rex? fp green? something bigger? garrett? i'm lookin into a big turbo for mine (not jdm) and just want to see what can get me to 350 whp.

Exactly.

Some of this info is being confused with rev matching. Rev matching is used a lot for entering/exiting corners. Easier on the clutch and out of the corners faster.

[kuruptracing]

hey would you want to throw down on a race...where do u live in cal? i have a ess supercharger that might be more of a match for you....hit me up

you might see this ahead of you though:neener:

[djyoungz]

sorry to say but....an ASA supercharged 330 is more of a match for an M3 than an ESS one....ESS doesn't put out as much power as ASA...

[yafool]

Double clutching is a techique used to put less wear on your syncros. Older transmissions would often perform better when there is no load on it when you are changing gears and downshifting. You clutch in to go into neutral, rev match your downshift, and clutch in again to engage. Most of the people i know do this when they are downshifting mostly for a rhythm. i dont know of people that double clutch to upshift....

[kuruptracing]

hmm well that doesn't make sense then does it...lets see i haven't lost yet to an m3 and well he lost...so either the guy sucked at driving against the m3, all the m3 drivers i've raced sucked, or something just isnt right

[burrito007]

guy sucked, or he didn't have the right settings in his asa tronic thing. maybe he was running too rich ?

[Nt_loader]

Just for you

[mattman]

Seems more visceral with an M3 and driving it up to 8K RPM than a SCed 3 series. There's some serious (but costly) NA mods for the M3 that can put down some serious power.

When AA, Evosport, and Dinan comes out with their SC kits for the M3.. it's no contest again.

[Nt_loader]

Seems more visceral with an M3 and driving it up to 8K RPM than a SCed 3 series. There's some serious (but costly) NA mods for the M3 that can put down some serious power.

When AA, Evosport, and Dinan comes out with their SC kits for the M3.. it's no contest again.
I dont this so

[stylinexpat]

Seems more visceral with an M3 and driving it up to 8K RPM than a SCed 3 series. There's some serious (but costly) NA mods for the M3 that can put down some serious power.

When AA, Evosport, and Dinan comes out with their SC kits for the M3.. it's no contest again.
Car looks sweet..

[mattman]

Car looks sweet..

Thanks.. :thumbup:

[MESH_KING]

I think the blown 330 guys would rather have an M3 given a choice so none of this really matters :yikes:

[djyoungz]

i wouldn't rather have an m3 and i only have a supercharged 323i....

[samir@technik]

I think the blown 330 guys would rather have an M3 given a choice so none of this really matters :yikes:

No thanks

[burrito007]

hahaha they have the choice. :)

[Nt_loader]

I think the blown 330 guys would rather have an M3 given a choice so none of this really matters :yikes:
Piss pants :yikes:

[MESH_KING]

You guys are playing yourselves but it's cool because it doesn't make any difference to me.

[PooAndGlue]

You guys are playing yourselves but it's cool because it doesn't make any difference to me.
I think you're 'playing yourself' because these blown 330s are as fast or faster than your M3 but you paid so much more.

[MESH_KING]

Haha, guess I struck a nerve there. That was one of the most ignorant comments I've ever heard and believe me, I've heard a lot. I was done drag racing six years ago. Don't be so insecure, it's not healthy. By the way, who are you?

[samir@technik]

You guys are playing yourselves

How's that? Please explain.

[xS3x]

How's that? Please explain.
hes probably brainwashed by the 330 guy that started the why not to supercharged thread :yikes:

[MESH_KING]

Technik, read my first post.

S3x,

Haha you know what the funny thing is? I probably know more about FI than about 99% of the people here. I also find it funny when people talk about stop light grand prix and brag whose car is faster in a straight line when none of that interests me in the least bit. If I wanted a blown 330 I would've got one.

[Nt_loader]

Pissing contest :spit:

[MESH_KING]

Nah at least you guys have balls to do something significant and not waste your time with intakes and exhaust. Saw your thread, nice pics dog.

[Nt_loader]

Its all good Mesh King, I was just playing :thumbup:

Doesnt matter what we do, there will always be some car thats better and faster.

[samir@technik]

Technik, read my first post.

I read your first post, therefore I am asking the question, "Please explain how <i>us blown 330 owners</i> are playing ourselves?"

Is that too hard to understand? :hmm:

[mattman]

I think you're 'playing yourself' because these blown 330s are as fast or faster than your M3 but you paid so much more.

Never seen so much "hate" for M3s in an BMW E46 forum!? I would expect it from 350z/SRT4/S4 boards.. gosh..

[Nt_loader]

Never seen so much "hate" for M3s in an BMW E46 forum!? I would expect it from 350z/SRT4/S4 boards.. gosh..Its some of the M3 owners hating on the blown 3ers :thumbdwn:

The one that pisses me off the most is "you should have just purchased the M"

Im sure that everyone that boosted their 3 series could afford an M, I know Technik definately could afford one. Well maybe after the purchase of that beast they have in the showroom they are broke .... j/k'ing

When I started shopping around for bmw's it was the M I was looking at. The car is sweet in every way I can think of, the only thing that keept me from buying it was the 2 doors. I have always owned sedans and could not immagine myself driving anything else. I was very happy with the purchase of my 330, but I needed more power and getting the ASA blower was the best addon that I could have done for the car.

From the 1st day I posted about my sc'er I got lots of positive feedback, but the occasional M owner always chimed in with "You should have just purchased an M."

The only kewl mo fo with an M that gave me props was Frankie with the white m3 :thumbup:

[samir@technik]

Never seen so much "hate" for M3s in an BMW E46 forum!? I would expect it from 350z/SRT4/S4 boards.. gosh..

Nothing but love and respect for ///M and the cars they develop.

It's the arrogant pissants with their "holier than thou" attitude that give all the rest of the ///M owners a bad rap.

[e46/330/cp]

Haha- and he probably spent more on his 330 + mods than you did on your M3...

He probably had the SC, limited slip with low gears, wheels, tires, chip, exhaust, even a body kit to *pose* as an M3, etc...

He probably dropped 10-15 grand, and still can't beat you!

That's why he's so angry ;-)

[samir@technik]

Haha- and he probably spent more on his 330 + mods than you did on your M3...

He probably had the SC, limited slip with low gears, wheels, tires, chip, exhaust, even a body kit to *pose* as an M3, etc...

He probably dropped 10-15 grand, and still can't beat you!

That's why he's so angry ;-)

Who is this in response to?

[e46/330/cp]

Who is this in response to?

The thread got off topic.
This was in response to the original poster who said the supercharged 330 guy was 'angry'...

"Weird but he got pretty angry... :thumbup: "

[xS3x]

The thread got off topic.
This was in response to the original poster who said the supercharged 330 guy was 'angry'...

"Weird but he got pretty angry... :thumbup: "
oh, i dont know wtf u are talking about, i could have easily afford an M when i bought my 330...but i guess people have to defend theirselves in everyway..

when i bought my 330, the mark up for m3 was upwards of 60K+, and i got my 330 for 38K out the door..

no wonder people look confused when i blow the doors off of the Ms and still look better then them...but its ok, since they drive an M3..OMG, the king of BMW!! :bow:

meshking: ok, so you know a lot about FI, and no, I dont talk about how I beat an m3 on the drag strip because i never go..I enjoy going to the road courses and learn my car and improve my skills. and of course, if i wanted an M3, i could easily afford one also..whats your point? :dunno:

this debate isn't necessary at all, its all up to people's reference on what they want..IMO, its very pointless, like e46/330/cp's thread, why not to supercharge..its all his point of view and opinions...he shared his views, and we shared ours..and we can't seem to come across to any agreeable opinions, so why start another one?

[e46/330/cp]

oh, i dont know wtf u are talking about, i could have easily afford an M when i bought my 330...but i guess people have to defend theirselves in everyway..

when i bought my 330, the mark up for m3 was upwards of 60K+, and i got my 330 for 38K out the door..

no wonder people look confused when i blow the doors off of the Ms and still look better then them...but its ok, since they drive an M3..OMG, the king of BMW!! :bow:

meshking: ok, so you know a lot about FI, and no, I dont talk about how I beat an m3 on the drag strip because i never go..I enjoy going to the road courses and learn my car and improve my skills. and of course, if i wanted an M3, i could easily afford one also..whats your point? :dunno:

this debate isn't necessary at all, its all up to people's reference on what they want..IMO, its very pointless, like e46/330/cp's thread, why not to supercharge..its all his point of view and opinions...he shared his views, and we shared ours..and we can't seem to come across to any agreeable opinions, so why start another one?

The original poster was just commenting on how "weird" that SC ppl get so "angry"
I was just guessing why...
You don't have to be so defensive.
We know you can afford an M3. Its ok...
;-)

[burrito007]

wait, doesn't jesse's car own m3's?
doesn't crispvx's car own m3's?
doesn't samir's car own pretty much everything on the road and look better?

i would think these cars would all be able to outhandle/outbrake an m3 and also beat it in a straight line test like the 1/4. i would thinkt that crisp would run 13.0 with his 300whp, and samir with his 400+ or whatever he is running in that beast would probably hit 12's.

the thing that bothers me is the "we have an M so nothing can beat it because it's ... blah blah blah blah race inspired blah blah blah blah special devision of bmw blah blah blah blah more expensive" sounds like ITR boys arguing over why their "black hand made ITR is faster than anything on the road because its a race car"

Subaru STI owners never bash regular wrx's when they put on sti stickers or use the badge or wheels. Heck they even admit that the wrx can be made faster than an STI and made to handle better even though they paid 33+ for their sti when wrx owners paid 23k
ok ok off topic. /rant

ok i know i just had to insert my $.02 somewhere and i guess it was here

[MESH_KING]

First of all, I think this discussion should be limited to those who have m3s or blown 3ers, the rest should just ****.

Secondly, I always find it amusing how some feel the need to defend their decisions. If you're perfectly secure with your decision (as crispvx is), you won't feel the need to post trash talk.

Thirdly, I'm a little confused by this statement:

no wonder people look confused when i blow the doors off of the Ms and still look better then them...but its ok, since they drive an M3..OMG, the king of BMW!!

followed by this contradictory statement:

I dont talk about how I beat an m3 on the drag strip because i never go..I enjoy going to the road courses and learn my car and improve my skills :dunno: Does this mean you street race? Race on the freeway, what?

Fourth, would you guys who "blow the doors off m3s" pease post some times slips? We all know what m3s run but I don't know the definition of blowing doors off so could yall elaborate? Thanks!

[e46/330/cp]

First of all, I think this discussion should be limited to those who have m3s or blown 3ers, the rest should just ****.

Secondly, I always find it amusing how some feel the need to defend their decisions. If you're perfectly secure with your decision (as crispvx is), you won't feel the need to post trash talk.

Thirdly, I'm a little confused by this statement:

no wonder people look confused when i blow the doors off of the Ms and still look better then them...but its ok, since they drive an M3..OMG, the king of BMW!!

followed by this contradictory statement:

I dont talk about how I beat an m3 on the drag strip because i never go..I enjoy going to the road courses and learn my car and improve my skills :dunno: Does this mean you street race? Race on the freeway, what?

Fourth, would you guys who "blow the doors off m3s" pease post some times slips? We all know what m3s run but I don't know the definition of blowing doors off so could yall elaborate? Thanks!

Your first comment is kind of um, fascist- silencing any voice...

Your second statement is a contradiction. Crispvx WAS being defensive and defending his own decision. And most of what he says *is* trash talk...

The third and forth I'd agree with wholeheartedly-
Fine, talk the trash about your blown cars- LETS SEE THE SLIPS!
(no one ever answers this one)

And they may get close in the 1/4 mile occasionally with a perfect launch and a sticky strip, but around town its actually 0-60 that counts- where a blown 330 will *never* catch an M3 anyway.

Crispvx's idea of a kill story (see recent thread) is "yeah I paced him at high speeds and he didn't 'walk away'. Sorry but unless you *pass* them, its NOT a kill story.

Don't hate the guy just cause he drives an M3 and posted his 330 sc kill story here...

[Nt_loader]

As GordonMurry would say:

e46/330/cp doesnt even have an M3, ha ha haha go figure. He is like the kid in high school who had the fastest car but never actually drove it:yikes:
It was always in the garage getting work done, yea ok piss pants


http://matthew.digital7.com/OT/dieinfire.jpg

[kuruptracing]

again, i have a supercharged 330ci that can beat any stock m3...and i can get slips to prove it...however if I could afford an m3 i would rather have one of those, who wouldn't...but when you're in college and have a bad driving record you have to have the 330...so all in all lets end this post on a note that everyone with a 3series and not a m3 would like to have the m3 if they could, and if they say they wouldn't there lying! :thumbup:

[TaZaM3]

WOW things are out of hand here.

First off all the SC 330 guys, I love your car's and there abilities, i had a 330i ,modded and was on my final step of SCing and tranny swap but decided to opt for an M3. I still think my decision would have been good both ways. I love the 330 especially the sedan, (crispx yours in red, very nice), but i love my M3 so much.

BUT,,,, somtimes the comments get way to offensive to the M owners and this is what happens. I honestly got a bit angry when all i hear is, "give me an m3 to smoke", "i can beat any m3", "people cry when i smoke them with my 330". Great!

Anyways, we all love BMW's and should not bash on each other.

[TaZaM3]

again, i have a supercharged 330ci that can beat any stock m3...and i can get slips to prove it...however if I could afford an m3 i would rather have one of those, who wouldn't...but when you're in college and have a bad driving record you have to have the 330...so all in all lets end this post on a note that everyone with a 3series and not a m3 would like to have the m3 if they could, and if they say they wouldn't there lying! :thumbup:

What mod's do you have, i would like to run into you. :thumbup:

[xS3x]

First of all, I think this discussion should be limited to those who have m3s or blown 3ers, the rest should just ****.

Secondly, I always find it amusing how some feel the need to defend their decisions. If you're perfectly secure with your decision (as crispvx is), you won't feel the need to post trash talk.

Thirdly, I'm a little confused by this statement:

no wonder people look confused when i blow the doors off of the Ms and still look better then them...but its ok, since they drive an M3..OMG, the king of BMW!!

followed by this contradictory statement:

I dont talk about how I beat an m3 on the drag strip because i never go..I enjoy going to the road courses and learn my car and improve my skills :dunno: Does this mean you street race? Race on the freeway, what?

Fourth, would you guys who "blow the doors off m3s" pease post some times slips? We all know what m3s run but I don't know the definition of blowing doors off so could yall elaborate? Thanks!

why even bother posting the times or even just go to the drag strips to prove to you guys. I've personally raced several M3s and have beat them all. I even raced with an EVOsport Stage 2 C32 (350RWHP+) and was side by side with him up to 0~75MPH..if you dont believe me, then maybe we can set up a friendly match up later on :dunno:

[TeKNiC330]

if you dont believe me, then maybe we can set up a friendly match up later on :dunno:

Tape it :D

[Alan L.]

:popcorn:

[kuruptracing]

What mod's do you have, i would like to run into you. :thumbup:


Supercharged, exhaust, fully tuned ecu...thats about if for main mods, however i have all the upgrades with the supercharger kit, larger injectors-blah blah blah, all those!

Where do you live and what mods do u have to your engine? I'd love to hit up a race somewhere, u throwing down money on it?

late

[TaZaM3]

I would love to tell you but unfortunately at the moment i cannot publicly do. If we would meet and run i would show you after..

[kuruptracing]

I would love to tell you but unfortunately at the moment i cannot publicly do. If we would meet and run i would show you after..


hmm, well if you feel that way, however i dont think its fare for me to tell you what i have and you not to...but anyways where do you live???

[samir@technik]

so all in all lets end this post on a note that everyone with a 3series and not a m3 would like to have the m3 if they could, and if they say they wouldn't there lying! :thumbup:

If BMW decides to build an M3 sedan, then I will agree with you. Until that day, I'll take a blown 330 sedan over an M3 coupe anyday.

[MESH_KING]

why even bother posting the times or even just go to the drag strips to prove to you guys.

That's what I figured.

[beanfree]

again, i have a supercharged 330ci that can beat any stock m3...and i can get slips to prove it...however if I could afford an m3 i would rather have one of those, who wouldn't...but when you're in college and have a bad driving record you have to have the 330...so all in all lets end this post on a note that everyone with a 3series and not a m3 would like to have the m3 if they could, and if they say they wouldn't there lying! :thumbup:

I don't understand why everyone is always talking about racing. 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are worthless in the real world. By the way, I just picked up a zhp sedan and will supercharge it once it is broken in. Passed on the M3 because it is too heavy (appx. 3700 lbs loaded) and 2 doors (not a coupe person, I like 4 doors, passed on a 996 s4 too). Passed on an 03 M5 cos it is too heavy. So all 330i owners would not like M3's (do own 2 7's by the way-money is not an issue). I can only speak for myself when I say I don't really care if my supercharged 330i can beat a Hyundai elantra. I am doing it because I enjoy it and I want to. So maybe we can all be a little nicer to each other and respect each other's choices in life. After all it is a little irrelevant how fast we can go when it is dangerous to do so on public streets and the world has far bigger problems. We should consider ourselves lucky that we are in a position where we have the luxury of buying some of the finest automobiles in the world instead of worrying about whether we are going to make it through to tomorrow.

[TaZaM3]

Im in the Northridge area... I cannot announce some of my mods for some reasons. But i am nowhere near stock and wouldnt see the race as fair either. Would just like to see a SC330 that surprises M3, get surprised by an M3..

Either way it would be fun...

[cRAzYgUy]

honestly, I think a supercharged 330 can at least hang or be faster than an M..

the scores will never be settled because a lot of factors need to be considered..(ex. it all depends on the drivers, what else you have under the hood etc etc..)

shouldn't we all just get along? :)

[cRAzYgUy]

why even bother posting the times or even just go to the drag strips to prove to you guys. I've personally raced several M3s and have beat them all. I even raced with an EVOsport Stage 2 C32 (350RWHP+) and was side by side with him up to 0~75MPH..if you dont believe me, then maybe we can set up a friendly match up later on :dunno:

:thumbup:

[Izbeawackfoo]

well i will just get my Ducati 749 that I payed 12,500 for and smoke any m3 or sc 330 with any mods you want, you dont even have to tell me. So there is always something out there that is faster and cheaper than what you drive :thanks:

[TaZaM3]

well i will just get my Ducati 749 that I payed 12,500 for and smoke any m3 or sc 330 with any mods you want, you dont even have to tell me. So there is always something out there that is faster and cheaper than what you drive :thanks:


Thats it im bringing my jet airplane. :yikes:

[Nt_loader]

Actually I will smoke your ducati in my 500.00 beater turbo rx7

Want to bet your bike on it ?

[Killer Junior]

:popcorn:

Interesting thread. I've considered going FI and spent (and lost) a lot of money on a project that I've been working on for quite a while. Despite the money and time I spent doing this, I still kept my eye on an ///M3. I've always defended my decision to SC the M54 3.0L rather than buy an ///M because I loved the challenge and satisfaction of knowing that I created it, and because it had 4 doors instead of two, or that it was more practical than the sport coupe, etc. And guys like Samir, crispvx and others have been inspirational to me during the course of my endeavors. However, I realized at the end of each day that I was just ultimately trying to build myself an ///M3, which back in 2001 when I was a frequent visitor at roadfly.com, was told couldn't be done. But off I went to prove them wrong and found my brothers at e46fanatics. So went in the M3 steering wheel, shift knob, dead pedal, seats, chrome guage rings, CF trim, wheels, new intake, engine, clutch flywheel, etc, etc.... Although it could've looked and felt like an ///M car, I wanted something that was built and tuned by the engineers of BMW, Munich. An ///M car just isn't about speed or prestige. It's a badge of honor. It's knowing that you own something from a long lineage of formidable race cars. Generations from now, the E46 ///M3 will be regarded as a classic. Hell, arguably it is a modern classic already. This has been reconfirmed by nearly every car magazine writer/test driver for the past 3 years. Who wouldn't want to own one of the finest cars BMW has ever built? In the end, my E46 would've and could've been faster or out perform an ///M3 if I were to put down the money to do so, but it still doesn't change the fact that it wasn't born an ///M and will never be. Props to all the SC'ed 3ers out there. I have nothing but love for you. But, given a choice, I'll choose an ///M.

[yafool]

haha.... then you know what, i can smoke your ducati in my $500 ob4 with the novarossi motor. 0-60 only though. heehee, but I WILL kill by like 3 cars. HEHEHEHE



by the way, its a rc car



haha


well i will just get my Ducati 749 that I payed 12,500 for and smoke any m3 or sc 330 with any mods you want, you dont even have to tell me. So there is always something out there that is faster and cheaper than what you drive :thanks:

[MESH_KING]

Junior,

Nice input on many levels. Those who have not been shown what an M can do have no idea.

[mattman]

I've lost to an 11sec CIVIC but I don't feel that the car "owned (over used term)" me or I feel (dang I should gotten one). If you search, I love blown 3-series (look at the poll I did awhile back). Heck I loved my 330ci.

E46 M3s and 3series cars (blown or not) are great cars in their own rights.

[Izbeawackfoo]

ok who wants to race the ducati, pink slips with any m3, haha

[greg330i]

well i will just get my Ducati 749 that I payed 12,500 for and smoke any m3 or sc 330 with any mods you want, you dont even have to tell me. So there is always something out there that is faster and cheaper than what you drive :thanks:

.... and my Ninja zx9r will smoke your ducati.. Something about 149hp and 390lbs..... got that for about $7k...

[greg330i]

Thats it im bringing my jet airplane. :yikes:

Funny you shoud say...
My little brother flies F-15 eagles out of Langeley, VA. They had an F-15 stripped down (no missles) and half tank of gas. On the parallell taxiway, they had an Indy Car
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/motorracing/dp-32847sy0jun23,0,2725005.story?coll=dp-sports-auto

(I didn't read the article. my little bro called me to tell me about it. He doesn't believe that I can smoke his jet from 0-60 or maybe 1/4 mile. Anything longer, and the eagle has it's legs and will stomp anything with wheels..) :bow:

[greg330i]

If BMW decides to build an M3 sedan, then I will agree with you. Until that day, I'll take a blown 330 sedan over an M3 coupe anyday.

Assuming 4 doors were not needed anymore (bought my wife her new mercedes), would you still prefer a blown 330 over an M3?

I've gotten the most diverse advice with my stated goal of "bmw able to beat or keep up with an e46 m3"...

1- SC my car with an ASA (then add headers, clutch, diff, etc...)
2- Buy an e46 M3
3- Buy an e36 M3 and turbo it
4- Wait for a screw-type SC or turbo for my 2001 e46 3301

[e46/330/cp]

Assuming 4 doors were not needed anymore (bought my wife her new mercedes), would you still prefer a blown 330 over an M3?

I've gotten the most diverse advice with my stated goal of "bmw able to beat or keep up with an e46 m3"...

1- SC my car with an ASA (then add headers, clutch, diff, etc...)
2- Buy an e46 M3
3- Buy an e36 M3 and turbo it
4- Wait for a screw-type SC or turbo for my 2001 e46 3301

The turbo e36 M3 would be your best bet for raw speed/ per buck.
They have a bombproof bottom-end, and can take up to 400hp reliably, and it will be faster and cheaper than an e46 M3. I've seen them done for 25g total cost...
But you'll give up a lot of refinement from the e46s...