Official E90Fanatics Thread! (all E90 content here)

[tim330i]

Stay tuned for the launch of E90Fanatics.com! Until then please put all E90 content in this thread.

Check out pictures and information on the latest 3 series on the main page at www.e46fanatics.com!

[MIAMITOPAZ]

:bow:

[Casanova]

I'm very happy they decided not to put the ugly 5er, 6er and 7er type trunk on the 3er. Something about the headlights stills throws me off. Overall I think it's the best looking of the new Bimmer bunch.

If they make a turbo coupe then I'm all in:
I still have my PG3s and my Polk Audio sponsorship. Muahahaha!!!

[jstar41]

I'm sorry guys.. i still think it looks like an Acura TL.. LETS BOYCOTT BMW to go back into sports cars.. what do you say?

[a burrito]

well....at least we dont have to buy clear corners for them. every picture i've seen doesnt have any sign of the ambers

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Actually I saw a few with ambers :thumbdwn:

The badge in the rear looks off don't you guys think :dunno:

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

http://www.bimmerfest.com/images/new3.jpg

On that pic...does anyone see the round dot thing under the M of the license plate...it's in the bumper. Perhaps that's a form of distronic? Radar based cruise control :dunno:

[LucentAUTO]

http://www.leo.nutz.de/images/forums/E90_M3.jpg
compare the headlights with
E90 http://autospies.com/images/10-21/NEWBMW/18.jpg



they arent even close to be the same. I remember people asking why this E90 m3 is fake, well from the history of ///M, they only change the bumper, which does not include the headlight. If BMW changes the design of the headlight, then fender, hood..etc whatever else have to be changed. The cost would be ridiculous. :dunno:

[jamesmond]

it looks more like audi :dunno:

[BimmerFreak2k4]

Well the reason being different headlights is one is a sedan vs. the coupe. Compare the E46 M3 to the 2000 328i. You'll see why this could resemble how the new M3 will look like. The headlights are pretty simialar, just like they did with the E46 M3. :thumbup:

[maq]

Who said that M3 was real?

[makonto]

I'm sorry guys.. i still think it looks like an Acura TL.. LETS BOYCOTT BMW to go back into sports cars.. what do you say?


True , TL brothe .... especially the distance between the rear badge and the 330i is a bit too close, looks weird. BMW is definately going down ! :thumbdwn:

[rjang82]

not diggin it

[Skeeter]

waiting for a coupe M version

[B8888KC]

I kinda like the M3's headlight better...

The wheels on the E90 sedan look ugly though.

[bfg]

I dont know whether that picture is real (I do like it better than the sedan though), but do remember that the E90 coupe/convertible were originally going to be called the 4-series and that they are mean to be even more differentiated from the sedan/touring variants than any 3-series before...

Hence the photo could be correct...

/bfg

[Tierfreund]

http://www.bimmerfest.com/images/new3.jpg

On that pic...does anyone see the round dot thing under the M of the license plate...it's in the bumper. Perhaps that's a form of distronic? Radar based cruise control :dunno:

Most likely. :woot: It definitely going to be an option as it allready is in the 5-series. And a very nice option that is. It´s been listed as such in the Easter-European :) E90 catalogue that´s been floating around.

[BigFas]

not feeling that at all, but I said exactly the same thing when the e46 came out and now I can't get enough of it

[poppy6985]

I think it look likes s1it. I think the 330 should of at least had 280hp. Im so dissapointed with bmw. I loved bmw's when i first saw the e36 m3 but ever since bangle has become a designer, the designs have sucked. Just take a look at the new 7 and 5. What can i say about the 3? Oh it doesnt look as fawked up as the others so its the nicest. Bmw has lost a customer
:thumbdwn: . Audi S4 here i come.


-elias

[agent712]

the E46 coupe and sedans had different headlights from one another.........

[av_guy]

It's early days yet. I'd wait until ACS, Hamann, Alpina and other after market firms deliver their share for the E90.

It's also BMW tradition to create "Sport" (M-Tech) cars, so let's watch this space.

Side note:
We bought my parents a Benz recently - beautifully made and the smoothest gearbox we have experienced. If BMW don't get their act sorted out, there will be plenty of brands available as options for all of us. Personally, I like the AMG incarnations. I'd even consider the 320 or the 230 engines - speed is not everything.

[tim330i]

On that pic...does anyone see the round dot thing under the M of the license plate...it's in the bumper. Perhaps that's a form of distronic? Radar based cruise control :dunno:

Correct.

[Cuore_alfa]

my car is for sale... isuzu rodeo 2000 on order :shhh: :str8pimpi

[Rockin'Rod]

I agree with Vik Ad.... I think people should wait for mods to come out too. Remember...this is just advertising and many of the things that we fanatics think that make the car look good only come after market. With a little imagination, I think different rims, aero kits, etc...will bring this new generation to the next level.

I remember having the same thoughts on E46....

The positive...they jacked up power/performance which should keep it ahead of the class. Secondly, the 3 is definatly better looking than the 5 and up.

[Bimrod]

Please don't tell me that the cup holders come out of the dash!!!!

It will be too easy for folks to see what you are drinking... :shhh:

(yes, cup holders are important for a car you drive every day)

[James330I]

I agree with Vik Ad.... I think people should wait for mods to come out too. Remember...this is just advertising and many of the things that we fanatics think that make the car look good only come after market. With a little imagination, I think different rims, aero kits, etc...will bring this new generation to the next level.

I remember having the same thoughts on E46....

The positive...they jacked up power/performance which should keep it ahead of the class. Secondly, the 3 is definatly better looking than the 5 and up.
:werd:

I always thought that my E46 in stock form was rather bland and boring.

After painting the moldings, sport kit, lowered with 19s, Racing Dynamics roof and rear wing..I think it's improved the look 200x times.

So, it's hard to judge the new 3 in stock form. A stock E46 doesn't look any better IMO.

[Tierfreund]

Please don't tell me that the cup holders come out of the dash!!!!

It will be too easy for folks to see what you are drinking... :shhh:

(yes, cup holders are important for a car you drive every day)

Some people are never satisfied :)

Serious BMW-drivers take their fluids intravenously. They need both arms for the twisty bits. :craig:

Driving the german Autobahns every day will break your habbit of drinking or eating in the car....

[Bimrod]

Some people are never satisfied :)

Serious BMW-drivers take their fluids intravenously. They need both arms for the twisty bits. :craig:

Driving the german Autobahns every day will break your habbit of drinking or eating in the car....

Sorry. I like to enjoy a beer or two from time to time in my car. Especially when stuck in traffic before a game.....Plus I think the cup holders look kinda cheesy. (if that is where they are....)

[Tierfreund]

Sorry. I like to enjoy a beer or two from time to time in my car. Especially when stuck in traffic before a game.....Plus I think the cup holders look kinda cheesy. (if that is where they are....)

No need to apologize... :)

But yup, thats them. Exactly the same items as in the new 5 I drove recently.

And yes, they´re cheesy. Thats what happens when you make engineers do things they dont like.

Vat iz it ju seh ? Ze Kustoma wants to drink in ze ka ? Wei ? Iz he not dreivin ? Kant ze Passenga houd ze cupz ? Kaphoudaz ? I shau you Kaphoudaz an you vill be zorry foa asking....

[Alex]

:werd:

I always thought that my E46 in stock form was rather bland and boring.

After painting the moldings, sport kit, lowered with 19s, Racing Dynamics roof and rear wing..I think it's improved the look 200x times.

So, it's hard to judge the new 3 in stock form. A stock E46 doesn't look any better IMO.
I will agree, I just can't bring myself to like the E90, even after looking at diff pics, right now I prefer the E46 over it....

[Staszek]

ALthough it looks a bit bland, look at the first E46 323 and 328, they were pretty bland too according to most people, and much softer looking then the E36's But see how everyone loves them now!

[KevinJ_2k1_325ci]

Visit the owners circle at www.bmwusa.com. I think the sedan looks better than the current one.

[adamu77777]

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[poppy6985]

i just depsise the way bmw disconnected the kidney grils from the hood. It looks ****ing nasty and cheap. The huge chunk of metal on top of the kidney grille looks like sh1t too. :thumbdwn:

[Rockin'Rod]

I actually think the bigger issue with the new 3 is the interior. To me it doesn't have the "cockpit" driving interior...it's looking like a smaller 5 or 7 series, in that it's got a too luxury feel to a sport luxury feel. :bawling:

I think the engine improvements (more HP, magnesium instead of aluminum) are all good. The look of the car does has some resemblance to the E46 model and I do think, based on some of the photos on bmwusa is that this could look good.

[Rockin'Rod]

i just depsise the way bmw disconnected the kidney grils from the hood. It looks ****ing nasty and cheap. The huge chunk of metal on top of the kidney grille looks like sh1t too. :thumbdwn:


The front kidneys actually follow the look of the 6 series....

[D_Ultim8]

That E90 M3 PhotoShop looks SWEEEEEEEEEEET!!!! :drool:


Oh and Tim, "E90Fanatics.com" just doesn't have the same ring to it like E46Fanatics.com has!! Can't wait to see the site, though! :thumbup:

[shizat63]

BMWNA - are you reading this? The E90 interior is horrible. :thumbdwn:

Have we not learned anything from Mercedes or Audi? This is how a SPORTS sedan should be done...

http://www.audiusa.com/common/images/2005_int_gallery3_s4sedan_lg.jpg

and
http://www.audiusa.com/common/images/2005_int_gallery2_a6sedan_lg.jpg

NOT THIS

[wedgehead98]

:bow: Almost bought a new 5 series a couple weeks ago...decided I wasn't grown up enough to drive a 5. Lease is up on my 2003 330i in early '06...I think I'll save my money to get a new 330i earlier.

I may not love everything about the new style, but it sure promises to drive like a bat out of hell! :woot: little bit longer, little bit wider, barely taller with +30hp...I'm in! They better offer DSC on the first models.

[FRANCO]

I like the new 3er a lot!! :thumbup:

but im not feelin the front bumper, but they'll change that in the future sports package and performance package(if they have one)....same thing with the steering wheel.....other than the steering wheel, the interior is focking beautiful.....and just like the front bumper, it'll probably be changed along the lifetime of the model, so i'll wait 4 years after it's released to buy one

[poppy6985]

:werd: The exterior sucks too.

[nyuaznguy]

i think its nice..

[Vanos_Villain]

Oh gawd, give me a break! The E90 interior isn't that bad at all.

[FredS]

The whole car is ugly. The 6 series is a waste of money. The 5 series is hideous in every aspect. The 3 series is brutal. The new 7 can pull it off because it's such a large car.

[jason330i]

is that really the e90 interior? where is i-drive?

[EDADOBO]

I hear you, although Audi and MB's have a somewhat nicer interiors I find that BMW are the most laid out and user friendly out of the bunch.

[Dave]

You think those Audi interiors are nice? They look like they might just as easily be in a Corolla.

That said, the E46 > E90 by far. In fact, E46 interior > Almost all.

[Skeeter]

most driver oroiented interior- E36

the way everything was angled to you was awesome. I AM THE Driver. I want to be able to have everything facing me, not straight out.

[Dr. Dreidel]

The whole car is ugly. The 6 series is a waste of money.


I used to think that the 6 series was ugly. However, one day I saw a black 645ci convertible parked in front of a black sl55. Both had black 19" rims. Surprisingly, the sl55 looked downright boring in comparison, while the 645ci looked amazing.

That said, the 6 series only works in a few colors. The white convertibles are pretty fugly. Silver is ok.

[jason330i]

e90 interior. i guess i-drive might be an option...
:hmm:

[Gbimmer]

E46 interior looks so much better by comparison

[shizat63]

Is this for real?

[cncmastr]

I highly doubt that.

[BigFas]

Looks like a diesel dashboard. If it is then that is correct

[shizat63]

My bad, thats probably the diesel. I got owned.

[ak330i]

Is this for real?

that should be a diesel

[FRANCO]

http://www.e46fanatics.com/features/images/new3_08.jpg here's a 330i dash

[tdd]

i just depsise the way bmw disconnected the kidney grils from the hood. It looks ****ing nasty and cheap. The huge chunk of metal on top of the kidney grille looks like sh1t too. :thumbdwn:
Agreed...looks like the top of the kidneys are cut off.

[Penguin Koolaid]

That's the RD6 3.0 twin-turbo diesel model, which has a redline of 5,000 rpm, the R6 series has a redline of 7,000 rpm.

[Robert Martin]

The front looks to busy and the rear end looks ordinary. I think it looks like a Korean car design! :thumbdwn: I can't believe I'm saying this, but the 5 series looks better than this new 3! :bawling:

The interior doesn't come close to the beauty of the E46. I think the current interior is, sporty, clean, and driver oriented. It's perfection! :thumbup: The new 3 looks like the 5 interior, can you say "old person interior". :tsk: The dash doesn't even blend into the door panels! It just butts up to the door panels. And could they make the steering wheel any uglier? BMW designers :jab:

Some of the pics I've seen of the new 4 series look good and some look bad, depending on which magazine had them. So, I can't wait to see what it actualy looks like.

I LOVE the E46 design and I don't think BMW can top the clean/integrated design of the E46! I'll keep my E46 and in a couple of years I'll add a 2nd E46 to my garage in the form of a M3!

[poppy6985]

Yeah for i drive. WTF is wrong with bmw. We went from the most awesome driver interior as mentioned the e36 plain and simple directed towards drive to this gay idrive in mater of 10 years. Next car will def not be a bmw unless i buy an e39 m5.

[Vanos_Villain]

Yeah for i drive. WTF is wrong with bmw. We went from the most awesome driver interior as mentioned the e36 plain and simple directed towards drive to this gay idrive in mater of 10 years. Next car will def not be a bmw unless i buy an e39 m5.

Good riddens!

[heezyo2o]

Looks like you get idrive if you get NAV. As for driver orientated, I have an e34 where everything faces you, but that doesn't mean it's better.

The Audi interiors are nice though. I especially like the seats. If the sport seats in the e90 are anything like those in the e60, it'd be best to splurge for the comfort seats.

[vaio76109]

:thumbdwn:

[ice_man]

Interior doesn't look that bad. It's a little too plain though.

[Vanos_Villain]

Looks like you get idrive if you get NAV. As for driver orientated, I have an e34 where everything faces you, but that doesn't mean it's better.

The Audi interiors are nice though. I especially like the seats. If the sport seats in the e90 are anything like those in the e60, it'd be best to splurge for the comfort seats.

I think all of the new BMW models will have IDrive as an interface. I also agree that just because the dash is directed towards you doesn't mean the layout is necessarily better.

[Robert Martin]

No need to apologize... :)

But yup, thats them. Exactly the same items as in the new 5 I drove recently.

And yes, they´re cheesy. Thats what happens when you make engineers do things they dont like.

Vat iz it ju seh ? Ze Kustoma wants to drink in ze ka ? Wei ? Iz he not dreivin ? Kant ze Passenga houd ze cupz ? Kaphoudaz ? I shau you Kaphoudaz an you vill be zorry foa asking....

Vat r ze BMW dezignrz tinking? I tink za r drinking too much vorm beer! I seh AKTUNG! Ze curant kaphoudaz r perrrrfict! :lmao:

[WhiteDagger]

That's the RD6 3.0 twin-turbo diesel model, which has a redline of 5,000 rpm, the R6 series has a redline of 7,000 rpm.

:werd: It's the diesel model.

[FRANCO]

I think the e90 interior is really nice (except for the steering wheel, but they'll probably change the design) what makes me like it better than the e46 is the use of less vinyl, there's more aluminum interior trim, ESPECIALLY ON THE DOORS, the doors on the sedan are significantly better than the e46, i thought our sedan doors were plain as fock (not as plain as 350Z doors though, hahahaha sorry, had to say that)

i think once you sit in one, it'll be better, by experience an interior in real life is way better in the pictures....ie. the new 530i my dad just bought, it's interior is freakin nice (some people on this forum though the new 5er interior sucked) even with gray leather and wood trim, the wood in the 5er is just so much nice than in the 3er

[jstar41]

Maybe is a 3rd fog light. :lmao:



http://www.bimmerfest.com/images/new3.jpg

On that pic...does anyone see the round dot thing under the M of the license plate...it's in the bumper. Perhaps that's a form of distronic? Radar based cruise control :dunno:

[jstar41]

e90 interior. i guess i-drive might be an option...
:hmm:this interior looks like it belongs in a Toyota camry.. :lmao:

[jstar41]

BOYCOTT BMW.. and they'll go back to making sports cars.. i'm so depressed.. ;-)

[rocks]

i am slowing liking it after seeing the videos. despite what many of you say, in a year or two you'll be eating your own words. i plan on getting the sedan when the second batch rolls out, so until then my e46 will be my primary commute. also, this time i'll make sure i get the 6sp. manual tranny, yes i hate auto's. :thumbup:

[kidjoe]

DUDE i gotta say it... Whot a Fugly Car..!!! looks like a hunday... one of those japanese designs... nothing personal guys (japanese if there's one around here) but it defenelly looks like a Toyota Camry or a Hunday...

if they do the same thing to the M3.. dude.. i'm telling u.. i'm done with the BMW... sorry but bangle SUCK ASS..!!! can i say ASS or A$$
whotever..

Kill Bangle..!! :dunno:

[pomsaeng]

I hope it grows on me...

[estim8d]

love the side sky line, not the front headlights. rear is cool. But damn, that interior looks darn right cheap. The 7 looks SOOO much better. Look how long that straight line of the dash is and for what? oh well - I still need to sit in it though...

[dortega]

http://www.audiusa.com/common/images/2005_int_gallery2_a6sedan_lg.jpg

NOT THIS

Sorry, but the new A6's interior screams Pontiac Bonneville. The materials might be nice, but the design is downright disgusting.

[Salsero2]

I think it look likes s1it. I think the 330 should of at least had 280hp. Im so dissapointed with bmw. I loved bmw's when i first saw the e36 m3 but ever since bangle has become a designer, the designs have sucked. Just take a look at the new 7 and 5. What can i say about the 3? Oh it doesnt look as fawked up as the others so its the nicest. Bmw has lost a customer
:thumbdwn: . Audi S4 here i come.


-elias
If history is any indicator BMW's 258 HP six will run with most other manufacturers 280 HP engines.

[Salsero2]

1- Kidneys look awful. Kidney top have to go.
2- Interior reminds me of kitchen appliances. The e46 interior looked great even in photos.
3- The rest in these preliminary images looks acceptable if you gotta drive a BMW. Hopefully as in e46, sport pack will make a big difference for the better.

4- Stop worrying about the looks and hope that BMW like the rest of the automotive world has figured out how to:
A) Build a suspension that does not need new bushings every 20,000 miles.
B) Build sub frame mounts that don't crack.
c) Attach a nut to an oil pump shaft that will not work itself loose and crater the engine.
These problems have been around for at least two generations. Anybody want to bet the e90's will have some of the same flaws?

[Tierfreund]

e90 interior. i guess i-drive might be an option...
:hmm:

I-Drive comes with nav. No nav = Different Dashboard without second hood, monitor and I-Drive.

I guess retrofitting Original nav will become a lot more complicated in the E90 than in the E46.

[estim8d]

Sorry, but the new A6's interior screams Pontiac Bonneville. The materials might be nice, but the design is downright disgusting.


I never knew:
http://www.pontiac.com/bonneville/images/bg_image5.jpg

god is that aweful.

I hate the steering wheel big time on the a6.

but i like their idrive: http://www.audiusa.com/common/images/2005_int_gallery6_a6sedan_lg.jpg

[Jackboot]

If history is any indicator BMW's 258 HP six will run with most other manufacturers 280 HP engines.

For sure...even the 225 HP engines today run with many of the 280 HP engines (think Acura TL, Maxima)

[Staszek]

Sorry, but the new A6's interior screams Pontiac Bonneville. The materials might be nice, but the design is downright disgusting.


WOW I hadnt seen the new A6 interior looks like they took a step backward too!! THe old A6 interior was pretty sweet!

[gunnar328]

My worst fears have come true! Bangle has spread his nasty designs across the whole lineup! Please, someone stop him! The grill looks suspiciously similar to the new grill designs of Audi, the headlights still aren't right, and the bulkiness of the taillights leaves me asking "why?" At least they're giving us the option of deleting I-Drive. When is BMW going to start listening to us- the fanatics?

[gunnar328]

Originally BMW was going to call the new 3 coupe a 4, but they've changed their minds again- it's staying a 3. :thumbup:

[mrx733]

BOYCOTT BMW.. and they'll go back to making sports cars.. i'm so depressed.. ;-)

:werd: wtf it started to grow on me but i just cant seem to give it the time of day. im starting to hate it again. last time i checked the 3 was supose to be a sports sedan...why so much damn luxuary???? the e46's were a nice mix of both sport and luxuary...i dont think im going to ever get another bmw unitl the new generations pass...its complete horse sh1t. :(
on another note everyone who wants to stay with the e46, do what i plan to do , jus get a 2005 right when the 06's come out hahah

[MiChA3L]

:thumbdwn: looks like my first bmw will most probably be my last :cry:

personally i hate the interior, to much like the 5 series. I had a new 5 series as a loan car and it feels so cheap and tacky, even when you close the door is doesnt sound as solid as dads e39 or even my e46. There is way to much plastic in the interior and feels like a toyotas interior

The outside dont especially like, the fron i can deal with but the back screams "Japanese Import" :bawling:

Where has all the class gone?

[low]

im going to buy one just to own all you haters...

[GokuA]

Can't really say I like the new E90, but not hating it either. I guess it just looks like a normal BMW to me, nothing special about the car that amazes me. The E90 doesn't look bad either, however, just need some mods and it'll look just fine. However, the E90 M3 (concept?) looks really nice. :thumbup:

[Reno]

BMWNA - are you reading this? The E90 interior is horrible. :thumbdwn:

Have we not learned anything from Mercedes or Audi? This is how a SPORTS sedan should be done...

http://www.audiusa.com/common/images/2005_int_gallery3_s4sedan_lg.jpg

and
http://www.audiusa.com/common/images/2005_int_gallery2_a6sedan_lg.jpg

NOT THIS


i dont think bmw should learn from them
they even learn from bmw

1.the E46 interior is way better than the S4 (it even looks like they copied BMW too)

2.so they copied the Idrive thingie/monitor too?
(bmw had it first, fix me if im wrong)


you all BS about something u didnt even see

first see it, drive it, than *****

:)

[Killer Junior]

The E90 has yet to grow on me. I'm just not really feeling the designs of any of the latest BMW models. I'm still getting the 2005 Club Sport E46 M3. Regardless of what kind of power the E90 M3 is projected to produce, I just don't expect it to be as drop dead sexy as the current model. Look forward to the new site, Tim. :thumbup:

[KevinJ_2k1_325ci]

They haven't changed their minds. All sedans will have odd numbers and coupes even numbers hence the Z4 coupe, 5 series sedan, 6 series coupe, 7 series sedan...so 4 series coupe, 3 series sedan.


Originally BMW was going to call the new 3 coupe a 4, but they've changed their minds again- it's staying a 3. :thumbup:

[Alan]

Does anyone know when the E46 M3 production will cease? I need to time an order to get in before E46 M3 production halts.

Thanks,
Alan

[Staszek]

They haven't changed their minds. All sedans will have odd numbers and coupes even numbers hence the Z4 coupe, 5 series sedan, 6 series coupe, 7 series sedan...so 4 series coupe, 3 series sedan.


Yes and no, I still believe 3 series coupe is staying a 3 series. For now anyway.

[certify]

Here is the picture comparison between e46 vs e90 both in stock form.

http://forums.bmwclub.com.my/attachment.php?postid=112828

Somehow I feel e46 looks a lot more sporty than e90.. :hmm:

[Staszek]

Here is the picture comparison between e46 vs e90 both in stock form.

http://forums.bmwclub.com.my/attachment.php?postid=112828

Somehow I feel e46 looks a lot more sporty than e90.. :hmm:

In those pics yes but its hard to tell because I dont think the angles are the same and one is a picture of a real car the other is a picture of a picture.

The E90 is supposed to be wider then the E46 but in that picture it doesnt look like that. I will wait till I see it in person.

[gunnar328]

They haven't changed their minds. All sedans will have odd numbers and coupes even numbers hence the Z4 coupe, 5 series sedan, 6 series coupe, 7 series sedan...so 4 series coupe, 3 series sedan.

That's what Automobile Magazine reported in their last issue.

[gunnar328]

:werd:

I always thought that my E46 in stock form was rather bland and boring.

After painting the moldings, sport kit, lowered with 19s, Racing Dynamics roof and rear wing..I think it's improved the look 200x times.

So, it's hard to judge the new 3 in stock form. A stock E46 doesn't look any better IMO.

I could watch your signature all day long! BUMP! :drool:

[Red_wagen]

You all better put the haterade down.
Sure it looks different and that Bangle designed it(he had a hand in the E46 too btw) but hold off the criticism til you've seen it and driven it.
Yep, it doesn't look familiar but that alone doesn't make it bad.
Most people are afraid of the new and unknown and that's normal but let's give it a chance first.
I like it and if I get the opportunity I would def pimp it :thumbup:
Pending a test drive of course and a price check :craig:
The only constant is change...

[gunnar328]

You all better put the haterade down.
Sure it looks different and that Bangle designed it(he had a hand in the E46 too btw) but hold off the criticism til you've seen it and driven it.
Yep, it doesn't look familiar but that alone doesn't make it bad.
Most people are afraid of the new and unknown and that's normal but let's give it a chance first.
I like it and if I get the opportunity I would def pimp it :thumbup:
Pending a test drive of course and a price check :craig:
The only constant is change...

I agree, change is a good thing, but I still think Bangle missed the mark on this one. He could have gone in a similar design direction as the 5 and 7 while making it appealing to the hardcore BMW lovers like us. My biggest beafs are the "eyebrow" look headlights and the confusing and over-styled rear end.

[FRANCO]

Here is the picture comparison between e46 vs e90 both in stock form.

http://forums.bmwclub.com.my/attachment.php?postid=112828

Somehow I feel e46 looks a lot more sporty than e90.. :hmm:

show the prefacelift 323i and this e90....i think they'll look equally boring

[Killer Junior]

Does anyone know when the E46 M3 production will cease? I need to time an order to get in before E46 M3 production halts.

Thanks,
Alan

Not sure, but order one while you can before it's too late!

[pcdsl]

I'd buy one. :)

[Manny330]

I think the e90s exterior is hot, it looks like an updated e46 to me, just put on a new mtech bumper in the front and its set

[gatorpiss]

All I know is that I didn't have to "grow into" liking my 2000 e46. I loved that car since day one and love it even more today. The new e90 sux. BMW has lost it. :thumbdwn:

[septalrage]

So... Is there any information on the availability of a diesel engine for N.A. on the E90s? How about allwheel drive and gas mileage on the new 2.5 and 3.0?

[sidd330i]

If I dig through my car brochures (yes I do collect car marketing material), I distinctly remember looking through the e46 brochure the most when it first came out. I didn't really like the front bumpers on that either, but when I drove one for the first time, I fell in love. Maybe the new e90 will be the same, maybe I'll wait for the m3 Sedan with the better bodykit.

If you think about it, the new 5 doesn't look all that great either, but the m5 looks fricken amazing! Maybe this will have to be my next bimmer.

[PYINDEEM]

things may change a lil, and of course if you don't see the car in person.. then you won't really know.

BTW does anybody have more pics of coupe e90.

[TheTICK]

I'm not digging the trunk nor the rear taillights... I much rather have the 7er and 6er trunk and tails... looks beefy. The new 3er's rear end looks weak and squinty. After seeing the final pictures of the new 3er... my decision to keep my e46 and to go custom was just that much easier to come to.

When I saw the e46 back in 99'... it was love at first site... I'm not feeling that with the e90.

[Gino]

I hate it, makes me sick to my stomach,

How come I dont see any LED's on the Back ?????

Maybe just the coupe thanng !!!!

The rear Lights look like a Saturn L-series :P

The whole re-design looks very Femine :ghey:

Someone do a photoshop wit tinted windows & rims, I still think it will look Sqinty and *****ish!!!!!

That new Interior reminds of my old 1989 honda Prelude 4WS


I think I hear a G35 callin me

[120yz]

well.. that rear lights were just like sh1t.. looka that sh1t designin a sh1t NON-IDRIVE interior... damn!! i think the one with i drive is fine.. and the front and the sides are fine.. not that bad..

[certify]

show the prefacelift 323i and this e90....i think they'll look equally boringWhat for? :dunno: I do this comparision is because BMW don't sell prefacelift anymore. ;)

Yes.. the comparision picture of both e46 and e90 is a little off in angle. That makes me think that e90 is angle sensitive.

[Staszek]

What for? :dunno: I do this comparision is because BMW don't sell prefacelift anymore. ;)

Yes.. the comparision picture of both e46 and e90 is a little off in angle. That makes me think that e90 is angle sensitive.


Because it will show the progression. I think the point he was trying to make was that the original E46 wasnt overly aggressive looking, didnt start looking that way till the end of the line, zhp and facelift. So if you compare the E90 first year to the first year of the E46 it does look more agressive (side view and front) the rear eh

[Griptruk]

All I know is that I didn't have to "grow into" liking my 2000 e46. I loved that car since day one and love it even more today.

I AGREE!

The first time I saw a picture of an E46 coupe I was INSTANTLY in love. It did not take any time to "get used to" or "grow on me" or any other of those phrases often used when describing the new 7, 5, 6, or upcoming 3 series.
Every previous generation 3, 5, 7 was absolutely amazing looking, especially in sport package trim.
I can look at a new Mercedes or Audi, and looks good right away, I don't know why BMW insists on designing new cars that you have to "learn to love"

-jer

[certify]

I AGREE!

The first time I saw a picture of an E46 coupe I was INSTANTLY in love. It did not take any time to "get used to" or "grow on me" or any other of those phrases often used when describing the new 7, 5, 6, or upcoming 3 series.
Every previous generation 3, 5, 7 was absolutely amazing looking, especially in sport package trim.
I can look at a new Mercedes or Audi, and looks good right away, I don't know why BMW insists on designing new cars that you have to "learn to love"

-jer Very nice way of putting it.

[Reno]

I AGREE!

The first time I saw a picture of an E46 coupe I was INSTANTLY in love. It did not take any time to "get used to" or "grow on me" or any other of those phrases often used when describing the new 7, 5, 6, or upcoming 3 series.
Every previous generation 3, 5, 7 was absolutely amazing looking, especially in sport package trim.
I can look at a new Mercedes or Audi, and looks good right away, I don't know why BMW insists on designing new cars that you have to "learn to love"

-jer


ware u an E36 owner before the E46.......................??

[tdd]

Does anyone know when the E90 convertible will be available?

Thanks

[PoorGuyX3]

Not sure if you can tell, but are those Halo's installed from factory??
http://www.e46fanatics.com/features/images/new3_17.jpg

[super swank x]

God... all you guys are concerned about is LOOKS. I'm more interested in how the car's gonna actually DRIVE. Looks are great, don't get me wrong, except when you spend all your money on aesthetic mods and easily get smoked by Evos or STi's or other ugly yet fast cars. There's nothing an m-tech bumper, blackout grills, tints, rims, and a drop can't do.

Keep in mind people -- this is the 3 series sedan, they have yet to unleash the photos of the coupe. Sedans are more of a grocery-getter, although they can be made to go fast just as easily of a coupe. However, when you demand agressive styling, how are you guys making any sort of conclusion about agressiveness without seeing any pictures of the new coupe version? Even current generation E46 coupes look much more agressive than sedans. I'm sure it will be the same for the E90.

In regard to the interiors and the Audi's interior - sh*t man, if you want a car that resembles a jet and has all these nuciances and distractions to keep your attention off the road - go buy a freakin Audi. If you want an interior that does not distract and forces the driver to concentrate on driving, go BMW. It's always been that way and always will be - simple and to the point. If you don't like it, go buy an Acura. GL with that :thumbup: :thumbup:

[D_Ultim8]

E90 Exterior.... :thumbup:

E90 Interior.... :thumbdwn:

[BMWintoxication]

-I don't see any thing on the E90 that resembles the E46, which most of us do agree that it is the best 3er, ever. I had no problems "switching" from loving the E36 to the E46. Moreover, the E46 did its best to represent its predecessor; owning an E46 is like having an improved E36 modified with time....
so....
1st impression of the E90 = "how can this be the successor of the E46???"

[acitydweller]

i love the new car smell :)

[kyle808]

I AGREE!

The first time I saw a picture of an E46 coupe I was INSTANTLY in love. It did not take any time to "get used to" or "grow on me" or any other of those phrases often used when describing the new 7, 5, 6, or upcoming 3 series.
Every previous generation 3, 5, 7 was absolutely amazing looking, especially in sport package trim.
I can look at a new Mercedes or Audi, and looks good right away, I don't know why BMW insists on designing new cars that you have to "learn to love"

-jer

I totally agree! I loved the coupe the first time I saw it in pictures and was drooling over it when i saw one in person. No growing pains.

Same thing with Mercedes new C-class sedan, first time I saw it, loved it. Convinced my sister to buy one.

[kyle808]

No need to apologize... :)

But yup, thats them. Exactly the same items as in the new 5 I drove recently.

And yes, they´re cheesy. Thats what happens when you make engineers do things they dont like.

Vat iz it ju seh ? Ze Kustoma wants to drink in ze ka ? Wei ? Iz he not dreivin ? Kant ze Passenga houd ze cupz ? Kaphoudaz ? I shau you Kaphoudaz an you vill be zorry foa asking....

I love the cup holders where they are positioned in the E46, right by my side. Having your drinks hanging off the dashboard is extremely tacky. Plus you have to reach over more, not a good idea.

I'm just praying that maybe if you don't get the I-Drive option then the cup holders will be in the normal position.

[Jackboot]

It amazes me that some people will plan their car buying decisions around effing cupholders. Sheesh

[kyle808]

It amazes me that some people will plan their car buying decisions around effing cupholders. Sheesh

Actually, no one said anything about not buying a car based on cup holders, i believe this thread is for people's opinions on the interior/exteriors, likes/dislikes.. we're just giving our 2 cents. take it easy. Sheesh.

[3tri330i]

:thumbup: I AGREE!

The first time I saw a picture of an E46 coupe I was INSTANTLY in love. It did not take any time to "get used to" or "grow on me" or any other of those phrases often used when describing the new 7, 5, 6, or upcoming 3 series.
Every previous generation 3, 5, 7 was absolutely amazing looking, especially in sport package trim.
I can look at a new Mercedes or Audi, and looks good right away, I don't know why BMW insists on designing new cars that you have to "learn to love"

-jer

[hi its me alec]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/588442_128_full.jpg

ok I really mildly photoshopped the headlights and front bumper, doesn't it look better? I think my version beats the hell out of BMW's :woot:

...Or maybe I'm a cocky baaaastard :dunno:

what do you guys think?

[Jackboot]

ok I really mildly photoshopped the headlights and front bumper, doesn't it look better? I think my version beats the hell out of BMW's :woot:

...Or maybe I'm a cocky baaaastard :dunno:

what do you guys think?

Actually I think that looks really good...:thumbup:

[vaio76109]

: puke: again

[certify]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/588442_128_full.jpg

ok I really mildly photoshopped the headlights and front bumper, doesn't it look better? I think my version beats the hell out of BMW's :woot:

...Or maybe I'm a cocky baaaastard :dunno:

what do you guys think?I love your version better. :thumbup: Can you also try to photoshop the rear. Also the single front grill instead of the 2 piece grill. :P

[kyle808]

Is it just me, or don't the front bumper looks like it all one big piece that also surrounds the headlights and goes up past the kidney grills. So I'm wondering if it as easy to swap out like the E46 front bumper. I just don't see where the break between the bumper and headlights. I know a new M-tech or aftermarket front bumper will dramaticallly improves the look of a car. I'm wondering what the M-tech would look on this E90.

[jersey]

it was too early in my fanatics day to remember....but how long after the release of the e46 from the e36 were there mods available...are we talking like 6 months after first shipment...or a couple of years....im talking both performance AND asthetic mods.

[dsifer]

im just gonna get a 5er

[e46craze]

watch, this model will grow on people once people begin to do some mods to it...I think the new style looks good, but the e46 body style in my mind looks alot sportier and sexier

[vi3tguy04]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/588442_128_full.jpg

ok I really mildly photoshopped the headlights and front bumper, doesn't it look better? I think my version beats the hell out of BMW's :woot:

...Or maybe I'm a cocky baaaastard :dunno:

what do you guys think?

Looks like an is300.

[inspector16]

You all better put the haterade down.
Sure it looks different and that Bangle designed it(he had a hand in the E46 too btw) but hold off the criticism til you've seen it and driven it.
Yep, it doesn't look familiar but that alone doesn't make it bad.
Most people are afraid of the new and unknown and that's normal but let's give it a chance first.
I like it and if I get the opportunity I would def pimp it :thumbup:
Pending a test drive of course and a price check :craig:
The only constant is change...

I agree. I didn't like it either when I first saw photos. But I saw the video clips of it at the BMW website and was quite impressed when I saw it in motion. And I'm sure I will be even more impressed when I see one with sport package on the road driving around. And I think the interior is also very nice. Very graceful and modern. But I'm a designer so I tend to like things that challenge the norm. The E46 is a fantastic car, truly a classic. But because it is and was so good, and loved, it's hard to accept something new and different from it. I love my E46, just like you guys. But I'll wait and see before I lay judgement on the E90.

[bertusweed]

More pics of the BMW 3 serie E90:

http://auto.mail.ru/imgs/pic__filename__4034.jpg
http://auto.mail.ru/imgs/pic__filename__4035.jpg
http://auto.mail.ru/imgs/pic__filename__4036.jpg
http://www.streetrace.lv/imagegallery/tuning/e90_3_.jpg
http://allehanda.se/bilder/bildspel/bmw2004/images/bmw_3serie.JPG
http://www.kcc.zaq.ne.jp/dfaap608/pp1.jpg
http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/200312010852423_2005_2.jpg
http://www.bohp.net/pict2/newe90m4.jpg
http://img107.exs.cx/img107/2110/e90.jpg

[XiPHiAS]

We have a few very GOOD and nice E90's in our E90 photoshop tuning contest contest...

ACS, Hamann, M3 versions....

(you can join to)

Check them out ... http://board.carstyling.net/showthread.php?t=33121

ps. f you want some influence to ACS designing the NEW 3-er, they are watching our topic.

[vaio76109]

Im waiting to see coupe pics...

[Staszek]

We have a few very GOOD and nice E90's in our E90 photoshop tuning contest contest...

ACS, Hamann, M3 versions....

(you can join to)

Check them out ... http://board.carstyling.net/showthread.php?t=33121

ps. f you want some influence to ACS designing the NEW 3-er, they are watching our topic.


Your right there are a few nice ones, I like these

[isaiahseagle]

Did you notice the window controls have migrated to the door? Not sure how I feel about that yet but it seems pretty significant..

[vaio76109]

Did you notice the window controls have migrated to the door? Not sure how I feel about that yet but it seems pretty significant..
I noticed that too...

[Jackboot]

yeah...just as I've got used to thrusting my hand toward the shifter area to roll down/up windows and unlock the doors...I kinda wish they would have left the controls there.

[tdd]

Found this on another board http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=178&sid=178&article=7726 Very nice :)

[dsifer]

i gotta say the new style is growing on me,the rear looks like a q45

[XiPHiAS]

it's growing on me if i see the pictunes :)

[estim8d]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/588442_128_full.jpg

ok I really mildly photoshopped the headlights and front bumper, doesn't it look better? I think my version beats the hell out of BMW's :woot:

...Or maybe I'm a cocky baaaastard :dunno:

what do you guys think?


VERY NICE!

[CrazyBimmer]

Dont kill me if its a repost, but im these arent

http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery/data/7ef605fc8dba5425d6965fbd4c8fbe1f/full_1567_p34304.jpeg
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery/data/7ef605fc8dba5425d6965fbd4c8fbe1f/full_1567_p34305.jpeg
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery/data/7ef605fc8dba5425d6965fbd4c8fbe1f/full_1567_p34306.jpeg
http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery/data/7ef605fc8dba5425d6965fbd4c8fbe1f/full_1567_p34307.jpeg

[TitanSilber ZHP]

new to me, thanks for the pics!!

[low]

dont look THAT bad.. hmmm..

[mrx733]

hideous <- dont know if i spelled it right lol :mischief:

[maq]

In the US with German plates?

[Boosted330]

its ok... it doesnt make me go "WOW I WANT THAT!!!" like my 330 did the first time i saw an e46 coupe in topaz blue

[caMber156]

thats interesting--thanks for the pictures..

Couple things I thought of while waiting for the pictures to completely load up on 56k :D

a. the badge doesnt really fit its location--not as smooth flowing as ours
b. are we going to be able to put spoilers on those cars? (probably something along the lines of ACS on the e60 I guess)
c. I think, THINK, they may have gotten "too" luxurious, it just doesn't look as "up and at them" like our cars do; it kinda reminds me of something along the lines of the C-class design.

That is all, and I still won't mind getting one

[CrazyBimmer]

The rear brakes look huge, no? Wonder how big the fronts will be.

Side profile reminds me of a g35 sedan for some reason and thats not a good thing. Otherwise i would rock it. Cant wait to see real pics of the coupe. :thumbup:

Ill be coming back to BMW if the coupe is hot :bow:

[xkrnxnamjahx]

i still like the current 3 series better, I HATE THOSE BACK LIGHTS IT LOOKS SO UGLY :bawling:

[jbw219]

they ruined the kidney grills - they look stupid

[bearing01]

Instead of buying a car that looks like a Lexus I'll just get the Lexus.

:thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:

[jc1can2]

SWEET......our car's are still awesome, don't get me wrong the new 3 is nice but I still like ours more...(for now)

[certify]

they ruined the kidney grills - they look stupidThe kidney grill and the rear light is a mess... :thumbdwn:

[Mike Benvo]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/588442_128_full.jpg

ok I really mildly photoshopped the headlights and front bumper, doesn't it look better? I think my version beats the hell out of BMW's :woot:

...Or maybe I'm a cocky baaaastard :dunno:

what do you guys think?

I thought the E90 was fugly until I saw that.... maybe you should assume bangles position? Nice work.

[bandit77]

Before I thought it was ugly, but the E90 looks not so bad in BMW's videos. It also looks less of a major leap from the E46 than the 5 or 7. It's not love at first sight, but maybe it ain't so bad. The Acura TL still looks better, and you get more for your money too.

[ElitistK]

sooner or later, the e46 will look so outdated....the e90 will grow into us

remember how we saw the e60 and we thought it is the ugliest thing ever? what about now? don't most of us think it's really not that bad? and how it makes the e39 look so outdated

i still like the e46 though, when people talk about bmw i think of the e46, nothing else.

[flightz71]

pimp this guys:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/chwung/BMWe90330ci.jpg

:woot: But it's just a rendering of what the coupe "might" look like. wtv...fake or not...looks swt to me :thumbup:

[KevMac]

[QUOTE=Rockin'Rod]I actually think the bigger issue with the new 3 is the interior. To me it doesn't have the "cockpit" driving interior...it's looking like a smaller 5 or 7 series, in that it's got a too luxury feel to a sport luxury feel. :bawling:

True, but the E46 got the trickle down interior from the 5 and 7 also. That is how BMW now makes their interiors.

[dgoodson]

I hate the new winshield wipers! they're just like the ones on the benz C-class and they look cheapo. the wiper arm is no longer the entire length of the blade, but instead, connects to the blade only in the center of it so there's just this big hump in the center and doesn't look very clean. my e46's wipers have always given me a sense of pride cuz they're the most premium looking wipers out there bar none, when they're parked and when they're wiping. :thumbdwn:

[Bimmernutz]

I agree, change is a good thing, but I still think Bangle missed the mark on this one. He could have gone in a similar design direction as the 5 and 7 while making it appealing to the hardcore BMW lovers like us. My biggest beafs are the "eyebrow" look headlights and the confusing and over-styled rear end.

ok :)

[Staszek]

pimp this guys:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/chwung/BMWe90330ci.jpg

:woot: But it's just a rendering of what the coupe "might" look like. wtv...fake or not...looks swt to me :thumbup:


You know what is interesting i would like the back of the new 3 and basically the over all design if the tailights looked like the ones in this Pshop above. Why they went to red turn signals I have no idea?

[Sweetbimmer1]

It will take some getting used to but I like the change

[3erdriver]

i personally like the new 3...i like it alot...i'm getting a new BMW this coming summer, and i was gonna get an '04/05 330 ZHP...which I still may do, but i'm really thinking about waiting for an '06 325...however i agree that bangle has ruined the BMW lineup...so I proposed a united e46fanatics solution...we'll all chip in and hire a hit man to get rid of bangle...sadly the damage has been done on the current models, but he won't be able to mess up any future models...who's with me?

[jerseykkid]

Is it me or does the e90 look alot like the the e46?

I was never crazy about the non-sport package e46's yet I LOVE the sport package ones. I would assume that the pics we've seen of the e90's are all of non-sport and I still really like it so I think the sport package will look even better/sportier. :thumbup: to BMW for this one.

[SST]

Is it me or does the e90 look alot like the the e46?

I was never crazy about the non-sport package e46's yet I LOVE the sport package ones. I would assume that the pics we've seen of the e90's are all of non-sport and I still really like it so I think the sport package will look even better/sportier. :thumbup: to BMW for this one.


The overall shape is obviously similar to the current E46. However, there are some major differences, like the whole car. :)
The kidney grill lost me on the new model. Putting the kidney top as an eyebrow on the hood is simply more silliness than is needed.
The rear end curve around is very Jaguar X-type which simply creates change for change sake and doesn't do anything for me in terms of "style". The tail lights are more boring than the current E46.
The outside flows decently and it presents a smooth somewhat elegant shape, but in that it losses the current E46's "sporty" character. Yes, it's hard to describe why the E46 appears "sporty" in coupe and sedan form but the new model had managed to cutaway whatever that sportiness was/is.
The wheels are even more sedate and boring and don't look like they are sport sedan style either. I've always thought BMW wheels have always looked the sport part. Maybe not anymore.

The interior is what has me worried. I have always felt that Audi is the cream of the crop when it comes to interior design and execution. BMW was straight forward and somewhat boring in it's design although execution was exemplary. Now, it looks like they haven't evolved their interiors so much as simply did away with the old and created something "new" which will take getting used to. I liked the window controls on the center console. And, as much as we *****ed about the cupholders with one being under the armrest, this new setup will have us wishing for the "old" design. I've NEVER met a dash inserted cupholder that was worth a damn in function.
The dash is STUPID location for a cupholder. Superior engineering?! Yeah, ok.

In comparison the new Legacy GT is looking better and better to me. It didn't need to "grow on" me. I liked it from the first time I saw it, especially that cool interior. I hope the new 3 series can retain it's ride and control. But, BMW needs to fix the clutch pedal engagement point, shorter travel, and the manual needs more precise gear engagement and MUCH shorter throws. And, put in a REAL stereo for Gods sake and ours, with a multi disc in-dash head unit. Everyone else can do it so should BMW.
If BMW fixes those things and gives us more power, especially the 325i, then I'll stick with them. I think the new 3 series doesn't look too bad in base form. It's not a deal breaker. But, I want to see it in person in "sport package" form and I want to drive it before I make my final decision.

TT

[Cesium 911]

I am betting that 90% of the people on here know this but for the other 10%. The new E90 is coming with Factory DDEs. I saw Auto Week last week and the car does look very good. The first thing that is going when I get mine though are the wheels...(that's if I don't get the E90 M3 :drool: )

[Jackboot]

I am betting that 90% of the people on here know this but for the other 10%. The new E90 is coming with Factory DDEs. I saw Auto Week last week and the car does look very good. The first thing that is going when I get mine though are the wheels...(that's if I don't get the E90 M3 :drool: )

Are you certain about the DDEs? I have seen "live" pics of the E90 posted that don't show any lighted halos...although from the press pictures it definately looks like there is a halo there (although not lit up)...

[e46sr]

The overall shape is obviously similar to the current E46. However, there are some major differences, like the whole car. :)
The kidney grill lost me on the new model. Putting the kidney top as an eyebrow on the hood is simply more silliness than is needed.
The rear end curve around is very Jaguar X-type which simply creates change for change sake and doesn't do anything for me in terms of "style". The tail lights are more boring than the current E46.
The outside flows decently and it presents a smooth somewhat elegant shape, but in that it losses the current E46's "sporty" character. Yes, it's hard to describe why the E46 appears "sporty" in coupe and sedan form but the new model had managed to cutaway whatever that sportiness was/is.
The wheels are even more sedate and boring and don't look like they are sport sedan style either. I've always thought BMW wheels have always looked the sport part. Maybe not anymore.

The interior is what has me worried. I have always felt that Audi is the cream of the crop when it comes to interior design and execution. BMW was straight forward and somewhat boring in it's design although execution was exemplary. Now, it looks like they haven't evolved their interiors so much as simply did away with the old and created something "new" which will take getting used to. I liked the window controls on the center console. And, as much as we *****ed about the cupholders with one being under the armrest, this new setup will have us wishing for the "old" design. I've NEVER met a dash inserted cupholder that was worth a damn in function.
The dash is STUPID location for a cupholder. Superior engineering?! Yeah, ok.

In comparison the new Legacy GT is looking better and better to me. It didn't need to "grow on" me. I liked it from the first time I saw it, especially that cool interior. I hope the new 3 series can retain it's ride and control. But, BMW needs to fix the clutch pedal engagement point, shorter travel, and the manual needs more precise gear engagement and MUCH shorter throws. And, put in a REAL stereo for Gods sake and ours, with a multi disc in-dash head unit. Everyone else can do it so should BMW.
If BMW fixes those things and gives us more power, especially the 325i, then I'll stick with them. I think the new 3 series doesn't look too bad in base form. It's not a deal breaker. But, I want to see it in person in "sport package" form and I want to drive it before I make my final decision.

TT

Just for the record, my wife's 2004 Audi A4 has one cupholder that pops out of the dash, and one cupholder inside the armrest. Pretty crappy, but hey, at 140mph on the Autobahn you shouldn't be drinking coffee anyway :yikes:

[SoFla328]

Am I the only one who think the front looks like a saturn. I think its a good looking car if it was just a car. Like if it was not a BMW or certainly not the new 3 series. IF that was some new Saab, i would say "wow looks good i like it" but when comparing it to something great and something that will be replacing a great car, its hard to like it for that reason. The e90 has a lot of good features for a general car, but just doesnt have that 3 series sportiness. I say.... keep the e90 design the way it is, and instead of making it the new BMW 3 series, make it a new line of mini's. I think the copper is getting lonely anyways.

On a lighter note....I really like the mirrors :thumbup:

[ierrahh]

not feeling that at all, but I said exactly the same thing when the e46 came out and now I can't get enough of it


Did most people feel the same way about the e46 off the bat?

[m3clover]

Does anyone know if they'll offer an LSD as a factory option for the E90? :dunno:

[LoveMyBMW]

I agree with a lot of you: the new 3 series looks too much like other cars (Acura, Infiniti), and is not a MUSCULAR as the E46. That - IMHO - is why the E46 looks "sportier".

Things I definitely do NOT like:
1) They screwed up the kidney grill. Shave off the top and stick it to the hood? What kind of idiot did that? This is the worst offense.
2) Tail lights. Suck.
3) Headlights. Not as good as the "eyes" on the E46.
4) Interior. So-so. Why move the window controls, that BMW owners instinctivel reach for on the center console? Cup holders in the dash? No.

But that's just my opinion. :dunno:

[SST]

Did most people feel the same way about the e46 off the bat?

Not I. Up until the E46 I pretty thought BMW 3 series cars looked dopey and/or boxey. I didn't much care for them especially the BMW's of the 80's and early 90's, M3 notwithstanding, always liked the M cars.
I liked the 5 series of the early 90's (sorry don't know the model desig.) and the 7.
I INSTANTLY LOVED the Z3. The Z3 gave me hope the BMW was headed in a cool direction with very sporty organic shapes that simply flowed.
Then I saw the Z4 and I was like...What the F**K is that monstrosity.
I went to see it in person because I couldn't believe it could really look as bad as the pictures showed. It did. Real life didn't bring it justice merely proved how aweful it is.
I liked the new 7 from the moment I saw it. It got some flack too but all they did was change a bit on the rear. The basic shape is still the same.

Audi has been making cars that I instantly like. The first A4, the next, and now the new one all look great. The new A6 looks like an evolution of the previous A6 both looking very nice. The A8 has always been a gorgeous car better looking than the BMW 7. And, every series of Audi has a better looking interior than BMW category for category from A4 vs. 3 series, A6 to 5, and A8 to 7.
Audi is the Bavarian Auto style leader in interiors and exteriors ever since this "new" thinking at BMW. I think my 2003 325i looks every bit as sweet as the current A4, except for our dull in comparison interior.
The new 3 series doesn't seem to make the 3 series sportier in the least.
If anything it seems BMW wants to soften it's edge and might be trying to appeal to a broader market. But that's strange considering that BMW sales are through the roof and the BMW 3 has the best resale of any other sport sedan. You would think BMW would evolve the 3 series and not try to remake it. From what I'm seeing and reading, the new 3 will be nice but may have lost it's appeal to a lot of current owners who will soon be looking to replace their vehicles.
Only time will tell if BMW is right.
And, we will have to reserve judgement until we actually get to see and drive these NEW 3 series cars.

TT

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

Not I. Up until the E46 I pretty thought BMW 3 series cars looked dopey and/or boxey. I didn't much care for them especially the BMW's of the 80's and early 90's, M3 notwithstanding, always liked the M cars.
I liked the 5 series of the early 90's (sorry don't know the model desig.) and the 7.
I INSTANTLY LOVED the Z3. The Z3 gave me hope the BMW was headed in a cool direction with very sporty organic shapes that simply flowed.
Then I saw the Z4 and I was like...What the F**K is that monstrosity.
I went to see it in person because I couldn't believe it could really look as bad as the pictures showed. It did. Real life didn't bring it justice merely proved how aweful it is.
I liked the new 7 from the moment I saw it. It got some flack too but all they did was change a bit on the rear. The basic shape is still the same.

Audi has been making cars that I instantly like. The first A4, the next, and now the new one all look great. The new A6 looks like an evolution of the previous A6 both looking very nice. The A8 has always been a gorgeous car better looking than the BMW 7. And, every series of Audi has a better looking interior than BMW category for category from A4 vs. 3 series, A6 to 5, and A8 to 7.
Audi is the Bavarian Auto style leader in interiors and exteriors ever since this "new" thinking at BMW. I think my 2003 325i looks every bit as sweet as the current A4, except for our dull in comparison interior.
The new 3 series doesn't seem to make the 3 series sportier in the least.
If anything it seems BMW wants to soften it's edge and might be trying to appeal to a broader market. But that's strange considering that BMW sales are through the roof and the BMW 3 has the best resale of any other sport sedan. You would think BMW would evolve the 3 series and not try to remake it. From what I'm seeing and reading, the new 3 will be nice but may have lost it's appeal to a lot of current owners who will soon be looking to replace their vehicles.
Only time will tell if BMW is right.
And, we will have to reserve judgement until we actually get to see and drive these NEW 3 series cars.

TT

I don't think any of the Audi's look sporty... with the exception of the TT... which looks like a Bangled-Bimmer anyway? :rolleyes:

Personally, Audi's vehicles bore me... I suppose the A4 looks nice in black, if you're going for the Secret Service type look :dunno: , but Audi's designs are really nothing revolutionary. They're just pimped VW's.

Oh, and btw, when I first saw the Z3 debut onscreen with Pierce Brosnan in 1996 I thought it was the most hideous car to ever grace God's green Earth. Over the years it grew tolerable, but I never developed a lust for it. The Z4, on the other hand, took my breath away the very first time I saw it, and not in a bad way. Beauty is the eye of the beholder.

Bangle isn't a new designer who has suddenly taken over BMW design headquarters mad-scientist-style with a scheme to ruin the company. He's been there for a quite a while (even had a hand in our beloved e46's), and knows that BMW's should be set apart from the crowd.

I'm actually very interested to see where this will take BMW. To be honest, our bimmers don't look as unique as they did a few years ago. I'm so sick of driving next to that Lincoln LS that looks like a ****ing CLONE of an e46. Other car manufacturers have copied the look of previous bimmers, and it looks like Bangle is aiming to shake things up a bit.

[SST]

I don't think any of the Audi's look sporty... with the exception of the TT... which looks like a Bangled-Bimmer anyway? :rolleyes:

Personally, Audi's vehicles bore me... I suppose the A4 looks nice in black, if you're going for the Secret Service type look :dunno: , but Audi's designs are really nothing revolutionary. They're just pimped VW's.


The TT is decidedly not "Bangled". :) What has Bangle created that has as much design accolade bestowed on it as the TT has? Nothing.
We all have our own opinion though as you do yours.
The new A4 with the sport package looks just as much sport as does a
325i with sport package. I'd give the A4 an edge overall though. A basic 325i or 330i are pretty serene and conservative more so than the A4. The A4 "ultra sport" looks more aggessive than all but ZHP.

As far as "revolutionary", no Audi's A4 is not. But then, who said they wanted "revolutionary"? The new Z4 was and it looks like A$$.

Pimped VW? I don't know what you're looking at then.
A Passat is never confused with an A4, and neither is a TT mistaken for a Bug. What Cabriolet by VW looks like the A4 convertible?
None. :)

TT

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

The TT is decidedly not "Bangled". :) What has Bangle created that has as much design accolade bestowed on it as the TT has? Nothing.
We all have our own opinion though as you do yours.
The new A4 with the sport package looks just as much sport as does a
325i with sport package. I'd give the A4 an edge overall though. A basic 325i or 330i are pretty serene and conservative more so than the A4. The A4 "ultra sport" looks more aggessive than all but ZHP.

As far as "revolutionary", no Audi's A4 is not. But then, who said they wanted "revolutionary"? The new Z4 was and it looks like A$$.

Pimped VW? I don't know what you're looking at then.
A Passat is never confused with an A4, and neither is a TT mistaken for a Bug. What Cabriolet by VW looks like the A4 convertible?
None. :)

TT

The TT has been bestowed accolades? By who? It's not any prettier than any of the new bimmers (which I happen to like very much). And I totally and completely disagree with your statement that the 3-Series is more conservative-looking than an A4. Please.

Your conjecture aside, I think the Z4 is more than a rival to the TT in terms of both looks and it's much superior handling, and I'd believe a claim about the Z4's design accolades as quickly as I'd believe one about the TT.

And now that you mention it... the TT *does* kind of look like a Beetle. :hmm: VW also only makes one cabrio, the Bug, so you really can't compare. Although if you really want to go the route of unfair comparisons, you can compare the S4 to the M3, a comparison that the M3 will win hands-down every single time. Aside from the fact that the Passat and A4 *do* sort of look like derivatives of each other, I spend a considerable amount of time riding in both and I can tell you that their interiors are pretty darned similar too!

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

Pimped VW? I don't know what you're looking at then.
A Passat is never confused with an A4, and neither is a TT mistaken for a Bug. What Cabriolet by VW looks like the A4 convertible?
None. :)

TT

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[xxpaintmepunkxx]

Pimped VW? I don't know what you're looking at then.
A Passat is never confused with an A4, and neither is a TT mistaken for a Bug. What Cabriolet by VW looks like the A4 convertible?
None. :)

TT

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[xxpaintmepunkxx]

In the end, at least a BMW is ALWAYS a BMW.

People are scared of Bangle's designs because they are different, not necessarily because they are ugly (the Z4 is beautiful).

People love Audi's designs because they are the same cra.p we have been seeing for years and years and years.

[Maverick1]

eh, bangle can bite me...not diggin it AT all

[SST]

eh, bangle can bite me...not diggin it AT all

You tell him. I already tried. :)

TT

[SST]

The TT has been bestowed accolades? By who? It's not any prettier than any of the new bimmers (which I happen to like very much). And I totally and completely disagree with your statement that the 3-Series is more conservative-looking than an A4. Please.

Your conjecture aside, I think the Z4 is more than a rival to the TT in terms of both looks and it's much superior handling, and I'd believe a claim about the Z4's design accolades as quickly as I'd believe one about the TT.

And now that you mention it... the TT *does* kind of look like a Beetle. :hmm: VW also only makes one cabrio, the Bug, so you really can't compare. Although if you really want to go the route of unfair comparisons, you can compare the S4 to the M3, a comparison that the M3 will win hands-down every single time. Aside from the fact that the Passat and A4 *do* sort of look like derivatives of each other, I spend a considerable amount of time riding in both and I can tell you that their interiors are pretty darned similar too!

By whom? By just about every auto press there is. The design is recognized for it's appeal. If you read about Automobile industry in general, you would know that.

The Z4 is a much maligned vehicle for it's looks. It's performance is very recognized and applauded. The TT is just about opposite. But, we're talking appearance here not performance.

As I said, we all have our OPINIONS.
I would take the new S4 over the current M3. That's MY opinion.

"...Passat and A4 *do* sort of look like derivatives of each other, I spend a considerable amount of time riding in both and I can tell you that their interiors are pretty darned similar too!"

The Passat is derived ONLY from the A4's platform. The styling is all VW from there. You don't NEED to tell me nothing. The A4 interior is nothing like the Passat. The seating position aren't even the same.
You sure you know what car you were riding in? *

Unfair comparison? You brought it up, I was merely trying to help you.
:hi:

YOU: "...but Audi's designs are really nothing revolutionary. They're just pimped VW's."

You think Bangle is a great designer. I guess we can just stop now because just about every BMW lover and auto enthusiast ain't so enthused about the "new" BMW look.
:rolleyes:

BTW, to avoid future dischord and confusion, feel free to use my opinoins as yours. :)

TT

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

By whom? By just about every auto press there is. The design is recognized for it's appeal. If you read about Automobile industry in general, you would know that.

The Z4 is a much maligned vehicle for it's looks. It's performance is very recognized and applauded. The TT is just about opposite. But, we're talking appearance here not performance.

As I said, we all have our OPINIONS.
I would take the new S4 over the current M3. That's MY opinion.

"...Passat and A4 *do* sort of look like derivatives of each other, I spend a considerable amount of time riding in both and I can tell you that their interiors are pretty darned similar too!"

The Passat is derived ONLY from the A4's platform. The styling is all VW from there. You don't NEED to tell me nothing. The A4 interior is nothing like the Passat. The seating position aren't even the same.
You sure you know what car you were riding in? *

Unfair comparison? You brought it up, I was merely trying to help you.
:hi:

YOU: "...but Audi's designs are really nothing revolutionary. They're just pimped VW's."

You think Bangle is a great designer. I guess we can just stop now because just about every BMW lover and auto enthusiast ain't so enthused about the "new" BMW look.
:rolleyes:

BTW, to avoid future dischord and confusion, feel free to use my opinoins as yours. :)

TT

If I think Bangle is a good designer, than apparently you do too! He designed the e46!

The Z4's looks have been praised *just* as often as the TT's, and they've both been 'controversial' so don't give me that bullshit about unanimous acclaim from the automotive press.

Btw, you totally misused the word 'maligned' there. And didn't bother looking at the pictures I posted, if you're still arguing that the Passat and the A4 aren't long-lost brothers.

But obviously, I'm wasting my time here. You don't have to like the new designs. Go ahead. Buy an Audi. And I'll sit here in my new bimmer and laugh at how you're getting a horrid old design, in new paint, without the same performance.

[kyle808]

I have to say I love the back of the Z4... it looks awesome... :yikes:

<img src="http://www.bmwstart.jp/buyers/pict/z4-roadster-07.jpg">

BUT I'm not feelin' the front at all... I wish Bangle had gone a different direction. :thumbdwn:

<img src="http://home.att.net/~lai.r/images/z4.jpg">

I'm holding my breath for the E90 Coupe... So far I'm not sure on the sedan exterior design... but as far as the interior :thumbdwn: ... it just doesn't compare to our beloved E46.. hands down one of the best design for any car... period.

[SST]

I have to say I love the back of the Z4... it looks awesome... :yikes:

<img src="http://www.bmwstart.jp/buyers/pict/z4-roadster-07.jpg">

BUT I'm not feelin' the front at all... I wish Bangle had gone a different direction. :thumbdwn:

<img src="http://home.att.net/~lai.r/images/z4.jpg">

I'm holding my breath for the E90 Coupe... So far I'm not sure on the sedan exterior design... but as far as the interior :thumbdwn: ... it just doesn't compare to our beloved E46.. hands down one of the best design for any car... period.

I agree. The rear looks really cool. The look of the "whole" is not too appealing it's very "disconnected" in my view.

TT

[SST]

If I think Bangle is a good designer, than apparently you do too! He designed the e46!

The Z4's looks have been praised *just* as often as the TT's, and they've both been 'controversial' so don't give me that bullshit about unanimous acclaim from the automotive press.

Btw, you totally misused the word 'maligned' there. And didn't bother looking at the pictures I posted, if you're still arguing that the Passat and the A4 aren't long-lost brothers.

But obviously, I'm wasting my time here. You don't have to like the new designs. Go ahead. Buy an Audi. And I'll sit here in my new bimmer and laugh at how you're getting a horrid old design, in new paint, without the same performance.

No, I don't like Bangle's designs. He worked on some aspects of the E46 but it can't be called "his design". Also, the designs themselves show that he did not have a major hand in the E46. The E46 is too cohesive and conservative for Bangle's taste.

I saw the picts, but then I've seen many many picts of those cars. You think showing me those cars again was going to "prove" something? :)

Show the interiors too, cause the A4 and Passat are NOT alike. The similarity is that the Passat and A4 both have very nice interiors.
In that regard they are similar. :)

If you feel you are wasting your time here, that is up to you. You want to leave the sandbox just because you can't have your way? Is it that important to have others agree with you?

I don't care for the Z4 which is too Bangle bunged. Some of his styling ideas need too much explanation to attempt to "get" someone to accept them. Good design should instantly speak to you and it should appeal to you as something new yet familiar.
It's sort of like meeting new people and liking them after only a few sentences have been spoken. You either connect or you don't.

BTW, I've not read much that praises the Z4, come to think of it, I don't recall a single piece that bestowed accolades on the Z4's overall design shape. Even at the most kind, typical writers tend to simply say, "the polarizing" or "controversial" design.
It keeps them from having to say, "what the f&&k happened with this thing?!"

I never said I was going to buy an Audi but it wouldn't be a bad choice even if I did. The better idea for you and your new BMW is to drive it like the awesome driving machine it is rather than waste your time thinking of me and an Audi. :)
The A4 is an "old" design? The current model has been used since 2002. The current E46 has been around since 1999.

It's just opinions my friend. Don't get your panties in a bunch. :thumbup:

TT

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

No, I don't like Bangle's designs. He worked on some aspects of the E46 but it can't be called "his design". Also, the designs themselves show that he did not have a major hand in the E46. The E46 is too cohesive and conservative for Bangle's taste.

I saw the picts, but then I've seen many many picts of those cars. You think showing me those cars again was going to "prove" something? :)

Show the interiors too, cause the A4 and Passat are NOT alike. The similarity is that the Passat and A4 both have very nice interiors.
In that regard they are similar. :)

If you feel you are wasting your time here, that is up to you. You want to leave the sandbox just because you can't have your way? Is it that important to have others agree with you?

I don't care for the Z4 which is too Bangle bunged. Some of his styling ideas need too much explanation to attempt to "get" someone to accept them. Good design should instantly speak to you and it should appeal to you as something new yet familiar.
It's sort of like meeting new people and liking them after only a few sentences have been spoken. You either connect or you don't.

BTW, I've not read much that praises the Z4, come to think of it, I don't recall a single piece that bestowed accolades on the Z4's overall design shape. Even at the most kind, typical writers tend to simply say, "the polarizing" or "controversial" design.
It keeps them from having to say, "what the f&&k happened with this thing?!"

I never said I was going to buy an Audi but it wouldn't be a bad choice even if I did. The better idea for you and your new BMW is to drive it like the awesome driving machine it is rather than waste your time thinking of me and an Audi. :)
The A4 is an "old" design? The current model has been used since 2002. The current E46 has been around since 1999.

It's just opinions my friend. Don't get your panties in a bunch. :thumbup:

TT

Yes, the A4's style is old. It's boring. It's safe. Classy, yeah. Nothing new. Oh, and I *did* show you the interiors, in case you missed them the last *two* times I asked you to look. And because you seem incapable of reading, I'll provide you with a link to a most basic of reviews of the Z4, in which it's styling is complimented. Z4 Review by Dan Jedlicka (http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/jedlicka.aspx?modelid=11052&src=vip)

Other than that, you've done nothing in this thread but tell everyone how much you hate the new design and impose your tastes (which aren't very good if you are such a huge fan of the TT? :hmm: - again, my opinion) on everyone else. We all have eyes, and can come to our own conclusions. Your opinion is pretty irrelevant, and if you don't appreciate the beauty in the new designs as well as in the old designs, then you are more than welcome to simply (*gasp*) not look at them!

In short...

You are retarded... Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I certainly don't hold anything against anyone who is against the new BMW designs. But you post about your opinions in such an extraordinarily frustrating and ignorant manner, that yes, I do feel like I'm wasting my time. You continue to rehash the same points over and over, using marginal language and grammar skills, even after I've already proved to you that they are false! You don't even bother to back up your opinions with anything other than MORE opinions.

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

The first A4, the next, and now the new one all look great. The new A6 looks like an evolution of the previous A6 both looking very nice. The A8 has always been a gorgeous car...

You're right. :lmao: They all look like copies of one another. The 2002 A4 hardly looks like a 'complete redesign' in comparison to the 2001 model. I even used to have trouble immediately telling the difference between an A4 and an A6 before looking at the badges on the back. It's gotten a little better recently, but still. Audi is certainly lacking in variety, that's for sure. Again with the possible exception of the TT, which looks more like a VW Beetle than an Audi.

Audi is the Bavarian Auto style leader in interiors and exteriors ever since this "new" thinking at BMW.

I don't think BMW has ever claimed to be a 'style' leader. Performance leader, yes. But never style. And I'm rather dubious that Audi would ever be the recipient of that honor. Mercedes Benz has almost always exuded more class and style. And oh wait, prestige.

[KevMac]

What do you get when you squash a VW Beetle? (no, not a dead Bug, but close..) An Audi TT. : puke:

[SST]

You are retarded... Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I certainly don't hold anything against anyone who is against the new BMW designs. But you post about your opinions in such an extraordinarily frustrating and ignorant manner, that yes, I do feel like I'm wasting my time. You continue to rehash the same points over and over, using marginal language and grammar skills, even after I've already proved to you that they are false! You don't even bother to back up your opinions with anything other than MORE opinions.

Hold on, let me get the spit back in cause it's hanging out the corner of my mouth. :)
Retarded? What grade do you "think" that you're in son?
The reason this thread is frustrating to you is because you lack cognitive experience to deal with the issue as presented. Also, you have a very immature ability to discuss opinions and thoughts without resorting to personal insult. That is a distinct quality of the immature mind.
But, there may be hope for you IF you actually learn to think and respond in a more conversational level rather than blatant idiocy.

You've "proved" my opinions false? :lmao:
That's excellent. Do you know what an "opinion" is? That's rhetorical.

Actually, my writing is just fine. I are good.
You don't "prove" anything by simply insulting someone and then saying the same things over and over. Well, if you think like George Bush then I guess you can claim something like that.
You posted pictures of cars I have seen a multitude of times.
Do you honestly think you "prove" a point about design by simply showing me the vehicles I have already seen?

It would be really pointless to even try to address your assertions again.
You aren not capable of respecting other viewpoints. Thus, an attempt to clarify things for you would merely result in yet another juvenile
personal attack from you.
Here's some advice. Stay in school, drink your milk, stay awake in class and one day you'll actually understand how to have a discussion and make valid points. :thumbup:

TT

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

Hold on, let me get the spit back in cause it's hanging out the corner of my mouth. :)
Retarded? What grade do you "think" that you're in son?
The reason this thread is frustrating to you is because you lack cognitive experience to deal with the issue as presented. Also, you have a very immature ability to discuss opinions and thoughts without resorting to personal insult. That is a distinct quality of the immature mind.
But, there may be hope for you IF you actually learn to think and respond in a more conversational level rather than blatant idiocy.

You've "proved" my opinions false? :lmao:
That's excellent. Do you know what an "opinion" is? That's rhetorical.

Actually, my writing is just fine. I are good.
You don't "prove" anything by simply insulting someone and then saying the same things over and over. Well, if you think like George Bush then I guess you can claim something like that.
You posted pictures of cars I have seen a multitude of times.
Do you honestly think you "prove" a point about design by simply showing me the vehicles I have already seen?

It would be really pointless to even try to address your assertions again.
You aren not capable of respecting other viewpoints. Thus, an attempt to clarify things for you would merely result in yet another juvenile
personal attack from you.
Here's some advice. Stay in school, drink your milk, stay awake in class and one day you'll actually understand how to have a discussion and make valid points. :thumbup:

TT

Let's not talk about insults now :thumbup: *points to the quote below*

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

So... I'm a kid... What's your excuse?

[SST]

Let's not talk about insults now :thumbup: *points to the quote below*



So... I'm a kid... What's your excuse?

The "panties...." is an expression. It's means, "let's not get upset so easily."
It's actually somewhat derogatory towards women as it implies that women get upset too easily. I used it in a commical manner to try and quell the raising anger in your posts. Afterall, we're discussing opinions not matters of fact when it comes to whether we like or dislike certain body styles, shapes, etc...

My answer is that, I don't need one. :)

Relax, it's the internet. Don't take it all so personally. Heck, even in your real day to day life it doesn't pay to get so upset. It makes one nervous and edgy and that causes irregular heartbeats and can lead to producing more cholesterol which can lead to heartattacks and death.
Hmmmm.........see how poor design by Bangle can actually cause death?
:craig:

It's all good. Take care.

TT

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

The "panties...." is an expression. It's means, "let's not get upset so easily."
It's actually somewhat derogatory towards women as it implies that women get upset too easily. I used it in a commical manner to try and quell the raising anger in your posts. Afterall, we're discussing opinions not matters of fact when it comes to whether we like or dislike certain body styles, shapes, etc...

My answer is that, I don't need one. :)

Relax, it's the internet. Don't take it all so personally. Heck, even in your real day to day life it doesn't pay to get so upset. It makes one nervous and edgy and that causes irregular heartbeats and can lead to producing more cholesterol which can lead to heartattacks and death.
Hmmmm.........see how poor design by Bangle can actually cause death?
:craig:

It's all good. Take care.

TT

LOL... It's suddenly all so clear to me now...








Madeyalook =)

[upscalebohemian]

I see not a single thing to like about the E46's replacement. Everything looks cheap, cheap, cheap. Like a bad knockoff of the E46. I look at it and instead of an elegent and near perfect blend of angles and curves I see a lot of lines for the sake of lines, and I DEFINITELY see elements of Pontiac and Japanese imports. It's truly awful.

[upscalebohemian]

Forgot to mention ...

The elements that grab me about the E46 (especially post-facelift) are the combination of the lights and kidney grills. The 5-Series essentially tried to marry the same elements but the proportions seem off and not as appealing. I actually prefer the shape of the taillights from the E36 to the E46. I just like the elegant simplicity and minimalism of the thing. The Z3 was also a beautiful and well proportioned car. It reminded me of a batmobile for real people. It was just too small for me. So the kidney grills/lights combo, the way the line of the top of the doors continues to angle up to the high tail, the lack of extraneous detail, those are the things about the BMW they should have went with, but instead we're getting a schoolboys fantasy of a BMW on steroids. A tramp when we've been in the company of a lady.

[LucentAUTO]

[QUOTE=xxpaintmepunkxx]If I think Bangle is a good designer, than apparently you do too! He designed the e46!
QUOTE]

if you mean bangle designed the E46? then you are totally. i forgot the designer's name but he retired after he finished with E46, he also designed previous BMW from years before. he was the headdesigner, but now he is the designer for aston martin. his latest creation is vanguish, which brought AM from bankrupcy to profit

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

[QUOTE=xxpaintmepunkxx]If I think Bangle is a good designer, than apparently you do too! He designed the e46!
QUOTE]

if you mean bangle designed the E46? then you are totally. i forgot the designer's name but he retired after he finished with E46, he also designed previous BMW from years before. he was the headdesigner, but now he is the designer for aston martin. his latest creation is vanguish, which brought AM from bankrupcy to profit

I meant he had a hand in the design. Kthanks.

[upscalebohemian]

I meant he had a hand in the design. Kthanks.

Someone needs to chop that hand off. :)

I did a Google search for "BMW 'fire Bangle'" and found this article. Pretty good reading.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/62/bmw.html

I think the part about the BMW being three sausages in different lengths (3, 5, 7) is appropriate, and that those elements worked best with the 3-Series' proportions. Still, BMW was super-successful during this period, making people wonder how they were going to top themselves with new models, and instead of looking at the cars' styling and keeping what was right, they took them in a totally different (and down-market looking) direction it seems (and a lot of people are complaining and sales are down). The appeal of BMW just isn't there for me with the new models as they don't have the qualities that brought me to BMW in the first place, and I know for a fact that an Audi A4 is a much more comfortable driving experience than a BMW 3-Series in its E46 guise (the steering wheel doesn't extend enough with the seat all the way back and I feel the seat frame and cross-bar under the padding in the E46 but never in the Audi [drove for three years, owned by former love interest]). Looking at the market, my next car's probably an Audi, as strangely it seems more BMW than BMW in this Bangle debacle period.

[Trax]

I posted I've seen the E90 driving around Calabasas in the General Forum. I saw it twice recently, still in the hidden black panels we've seen. However, my question, anyone know why they still have it covered up if they have released "official" looking pictures of what it's suppose to look like?

For the most part I like the new design. The rear, I'm not really feeling, as most of you. I figure (hoping) it may actually change when the press photos arrive? I have to see it in person to make the final judgement/decision if I really like it. I expect most of you will as well. I felt the same about the new 5 when it came out. Now we own one.

You have to realize, many people are not members of a car forum such as this one. Those who have owned BMWs in the past or first time owners will instantly love the new design. This usually happens.

Anyone seen December 2004 Motor Trend? Page 16 has a spy photo of the upcoming coupe (E92) as well as a small read about the leaked 3 series brochure. It also says: "A multipurpose vehicle based on either the 3 or the 1 series is under consideration and wouldn't appear earlier than the 2008 model year." Yikes! Is that the mini van that's rumored? :dunno: :yikes:

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

According to that article, Chris Bangle has been BMW's Head of Design since 1992, which would make him responsible for the E46. It also (obviously) says that Bangle doesn't draw up the designs himself, but rather, has several design teams come up with their own designs and compete to see which one turns out to be chosen.

Either way you look at it, either he is responsible for both the older models and the newer models, or he's not really responsible for either of them.

[SST]

According to that article, Chris Bangle has been BMW's Head of Design since 1992, which would make him responsible for the E46. It also (obviously) says that Bangle doesn't draw up the designs himself, but rather, has several design teams come up with their own designs and compete to see which one turns out to be chosen.

Either way you look at it, either he is responsible for both the older models and the newer models, or he's not really responsible for either of them.

Well now, first you say he did the design then you say he only "helped" and now you have a new view. :)

It takes a while BEFORE a designers ideas go into effect. The E46 was before him. He was there for the "freshing" bits but not the whole thing.
The 7 series was his big hand, then the 5, and now we see BMW holding back as the bread and butter 3 series is ready to be launched. They heard the public outcry and decided to address the issue before it was too late.

TT

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

Well now, first you say he did the design then you say he only "helped" and now you have a new view. :)

It takes a while BEFORE a designers ideas go into effect. The E46 was before him. He was there for the "freshing" bits but not the whole thing.
The 7 series was his big hand, then the 5, and now we see BMW holding back as the bread and butter 3 series is ready to be launched. They heard the public outcry and decided to address the issue before it was too late.

TT

Say whatever you like, but please stop misquoting me.

That was in defense of a previous statement, and disproving someone's claim that there was some other guy (head of design for Aston Martin? haha) that was BMW's Chief of Design when the E46 was concieved and produced. Bangle has held that position since 1992.

----------------------------

Now if you want my opinion, it's as follows. I don't think Bangle personally designed any of the new models. I do think he had a hand in designing the E46. I do think that Bangle is ultimately responsible for what comes out, because the design teams are under his initial supervision, and he approves and possibly tweaks the results. I havn't changed my opinions at all. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Danil]

Look here, there are some photos from CAR December

http://www.bmwclub.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48325&highlight=CAR

[NeoGeo]

I hope this is not a :repost: . My appologies if it is...

Interesting look at the car:

http://www.bmw.com/generic/com/en/p...ase_2/movie.htm

Enjoy if you have not already seen it.

[Noltonr]

does chris bangle needs too get his butt whopped for making a ugly ass car for old people :dunno:

[EK]

hmm..i visited BMW South Africa and was looking at the 1-series. so i'm hoping the 2 series will be coming out next year. i'm pretty interested in the new M2 that's been spreading around the internet.

how do you guys think this will affect prices on e46 M3's? would it be wise of me to hold onto my 330ci for a couple more years and then grab an M3 after the new line of cars come out?

[VTEC 2]

hmm..i visited BMW South Africa and was looking at the 1-series. so i'm hoping the 2 series will be coming out next year. i'm pretty interested in the new M2 that's been spreading around the internet.

how do you guys think this will affect prices on e46 M3's? would it be wise of me to hold onto my 330ci for a couple more years and then grab an M3 after the new line of cars come out?

What is the price on E90? or the 1-series??

[schow36]

I'm a fan of the design. The only bangle design I have a problem with is the 7-series.

[Topaz330xi]

I'm a fan of the design. The only bangle design I have a problem with is the 7-series.

Everyone seems to think Bangle is to blame for unpopular designs (7-Series), but that is only partially true. The Vorstand (BMW Board of Directors) chooses from multiple designs and makes final approval on all production designs.

My honest opinion is that these designs are ahead of their time and as always BMW is setting a benchmark that others will eventually follow.

TT

[SST]

Everyone seems to think Bangle is to blame for unpopular designs (7-Series), but that is only partially true. The Vorstand (BMW Board of Directors) chooses from multiple designs and makes final approval on all production designs.

My honest opinion is that these designs are ahead of their time and as always BMW is setting a benchmark that others will eventually follow.

TT

Seeing as how even BMW has "toned down" the 7 with minor changes and then decided to not go all out on the new 3 series, is evidence that even BMW may not follow these designs into the future. It doesn't seem likely that BMW is setting benchmarks with these new designs given that they don't seem too confident in them now either.

There is such a thing as paradigm shifts in design and there is different for the sake of different. BMW has sadly taken much of the latter.
The Z4 is to convertibles as the Pontiac Aztek is to SUV's. A mess. :)

TT

[Topaz330xi]

Seeing as how even BMW has "toned down" the 7 with minor changes and then decided to not go all out on the new 3 series, is evidence that even BMW may not follow these designs into the future. It doesn't seem likely that BMW is setting benchmarks with these new designs given that they don't seem too confident in them now either.

There is such a thing as paradigm shifts in design and there is different for the sake of different. BMW has sadly taken much of the latter.
The Z4 is to convertibles as the Pontiac Aztek is to SUV's. A mess. :)

TT

The response of the media has scared BMW into being conservative, but that does not mean the design is bad. Although the media bashed the 7-series, it still has sold extremely well. BMW has continued to increase sales even with designs that push the envelope. When you make a big change, you are always running the risk of disappointing customers but there is the equally possibility of replacing those customers with more new customers. I am willing to bet that the E90 will still sell extremely well.

I think it is very unfair to compare a Z4 to an Aztek. The Aztek has been a flat out failure, but the Z4 is still selling. Design is so subjective, but when the day is done all BMW cares about are increased sales and increased profits through the production of premium driver's cars.

TT

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

The response of the media has scared BMW into being conservative, but that does not mean the design is bad. Although the media bashed the 7-series, it still has sold extremely well. BMW has continued to increase sales even with designs that push the envelope. When you make a big change, you are always running the risk of disappointing customers but there is the equally possibility of replacing those customers with more new customers. I am willing to bet that the E90 will still sell extremely well.

I think it is very unfair to compare a Z4 to an Aztek. The Aztek has been a flat out failure, but the Z4 is still selling. Design is so subjective, but when the day is done all BMW cares about are increased sales and increased profits through the production of premium driver's cars.

TT

Don't bother arguing with him, you aren't going to change his mind. Just don't sweat it... I for one, also like the new designs, but some do and some don't... Nothing we can say will change that. Let them wallow.

[nzDave]

OMFG!!!!

If you don't like the new designs, go buy a F$%ken Lexus or something!!!
Oh..lets make the same car for 20 years...would that make you all happy?

[SST]

The response of the media has scared BMW into being conservative, but that does not mean the design is bad. Although the media bashed the 7-series, it still has sold extremely well. BMW has continued to increase sales even with designs that push the envelope. When you make a big change, you are always running the risk of disappointing customers but there is the equally possibility of replacing those customers with more new customers. I am willing to bet that the E90 will still sell extremely well.

I think it is very unfair to compare a Z4 to an Aztek. The Aztek has been a flat out failure, but the Z4 is still selling. Design is so subjective, but when the day is done all BMW cares about are increased sales and increased profits through the production of premium driver's cars.

TT

I've always said I like the new 7. I've liked it since it came out.
The 5 is a bit alarming to me, but the interior is very sweet.
I hate the Z4. It's the worst one of the "new" designs.
As far as sales, I recently read that Europeans aren't too thrilled and BMW sales are actually down and the Z4 in particular isn't doing too well.
It was selling well when it first came out as there is that buyer who wants the latest and newest regardless. Then there are those who need more time to decide and it is there where the sales have dropped.

Does BMW changing their design mean the design is bad?
Well, in a major way the answer is, yes. There are things that artists would find exceptional be it in art, music, theater, magazine layout, home decor, etc... There are the bold who are willing to take chances and try something new and inventive. Sometimes, the new takes hold and the greater population "gets it" and likes it and becomes part of what we like.
Then there is the more esoteric which appeals to that smaller group who finds the design great for whatever reason. But, it does not resonate with the greater population.
So, is the original design bad because the broader audience doesn't like it?
Yes, because BMW like any other car maker is in the business of selling cars not creating eye candy for a small group of acceptors.
I like certain elements of the new designs. I just find that when taken as a whole there is no cohesivness and maybe that's what others see as well.
When a design has to be explained to be appreciated, well, that gets esoteric doesn't it? I don't want a dissertation on how to appreciate BMW's new designs. I want to like them, want them, buy them. I don't want to be convinced. I am the consumer target and yes I have to be pleased with the design as much as the designer wants to please himself with what he creates. But, at the end of all this is the whole point of the matter and that is selling cars. In that regard it is the consumer who makes the final judgement on what is acceptable.

:) I may have gone a bit overboard on the Aztek and Z4 thing. But, man I see about as many Azteks as I do Z4. I still look admiringly at Z3's. I think the Z3 is a very nice looking roadster and the Z8 is one of the most beautiful automobiles BMW has ever created.
And, as always, this is all opinion. Some of us simply know that.

TT

[SST]

OMFG!!!!

If you don't like the new designs, go buy a F$%ken Lexus or something!!!
Oh..lets make the same car for 20 years...would that make you all happy?

Well, it may come down to that. But, why are you screaming?
You're all worked up over a conversation about car design.
Of course I would buy a different car brand if BMW didn't make what I would want. Wouldn't you? Or would you buy a BMW regardless, just to have a BMW?

None of us have seen the 3 series in person yet, let alone driven one.
We're speaking of the designs we've actually seen. I'll make my final judgement on the new 3 series after I've had a chance to see it in person and definately drive it. The drive is more important to me than the look, but that's not what we've been discussing here.

No, it would not make me happy for BMW to make the same car for 20 years. Where does that come from? Just because a new model comes out doesn't mean it's acceptable or good or better.

TT

[mustang1]

My views, in a nutshell:

1 series or A class: 1 series (not sold in USA, check www.bmw.co.uk then)
3 series or C class: 3 series (sedan)
3 series or CLK: 3 series (coupe)
5 series or E class: 5 series
6 series or SL class: SL
7 series or S class: 7 series
Z4 or SLK class: SLK

My selection of SL over 6 and SLK over Z4 is odd because two-seater roadster are supposed to be sporties thanother classes of car, yet me choosing an MB over BMW in with above 2 vehicles shows that design plays a huge role in car purchase. If you don't like the design, then there's no point looking any further (eg. how car handles etc).

[shogun]

if that m3 version were true it would be sick....too bad its not...

don't like the e90 at all. i really liked the e46 when it came out. i was a little weary on the facelift but it did look better once i really looked at it...

i'm afraid no matter how long i look at the e90 it won't look good...just like the 7, 5, and especially the 6 :thumbdwn:

[mrx733]

perviously in this thread i said, that the e90 is not growing on me at all, but guys like someone said b4 bmw is ontop of their game the cars b4 its time, and tell u the truth once 1/2 the people on this forum see the sedan/coupe and m3 with a kit,rims, ect. no ones gonna like it. but im 100 percent sure that the new 3 series is going to be a fvcking great machine. the dealer i got to already sold 3 of them, im trying to get one...i have plans for it if i do lol :thumbup:

[upscalebohemian]

None of us have seen the 3 series in person yet...
You haven't? Better head over to Pontiac at http://www.pontiac.com/ and take a look then. There's your new kidney grill. There's your funky headlights shapes. There's your new BMW face to the world.

[SST]

You haven't? Better head over to Pontiac at http://www.pontiac.com/ and take a look then. There's your new kidney grill. There's your funky headlights shapes. There's your new BMW face to the world.

OUCH!

:lmao:

TT

[Topaz330xi]

You haven't? Better head over to Pontiac at http://www.pontiac.com/ and take a look then. There's your new kidney grill. There's your funky headlights shapes. There's your new BMW face to the world.

GM would like think that their plastic-cladded cars were BMW's. That is pretty harsh, but we are all entitled to our own opinions. I do like the new BMW, My problem is deciding which one to get.

TT

[TheTICK]

Everyone seems to think Bangle is to blame for unpopular designs (7-Series), but that is only partially true. The Vorstand (BMW Board of Directors) chooses from multiple designs and makes final approval on all production designs.

My honest opinion is that these designs are ahead of their time and as always BMW is setting a benchmark that others will eventually follow.

TT

Yes, I agree. He moulds and guides the designers after first run of the designs then presents them all to a board committee or whatever... they have the final say. I'm sure Bangle presented other designs that we'd find 10x better but it's not he who gets the final say.

Whenever I design websites... I give the client 3 to choose from. 1 design I spend the most time on, the other 2 I do just to give them choices... they always end up going with the crappiest layouts. Same concept. If y ou're going to blame someone... blame it on the committee who has the final say.

[vaio76109]

OT

THETICK, your little BMW shifter guy in your sig looks kinda :ghey:

[TheTICK]

OT

THETICK, your little BMW shifter guy in your sig looks kinda :ghey:

HAHAH, thats the first I ever heard that... it's not suppose to be ghey looking, suppose to be me driving... me happy when me driving.

[vids_blk323Ci]

view from the side and back is ok. But DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COUPE PICS, ESPECIALLY IN BLACK! :dunno:

Hey can some one pshop this? Drop it a bit, tint the windows, and black out the grille, maybe increase the rims so it goes from 17" to 18", oh and maybe add a lower bumper addon... think that would look wicked!!!

http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3041026.001/1008big.jpg

[schow36]

I actually really like the e90.

[Canuck330i]

Sorry if this is a repost (I searched! Honest!)

Car and driver is running a poll on their website:

http://www.caranddriver.com/default.asp?section_id=1

Does the E90 have:

Too much Bangle? (44%)
Too little Bangle? (10%)
Just perfect (46%)

7700+ responses so far.

[vids_blk323Ci]

I think its just right on the exterior, but damn that interior sucks brown bungholes :thumbdwn: :cry:

check the current results
What do you think of Chris Bangle’s styling of the new 3-series?

Too much “Bangle” 44%
Too little “Bangle” 10%
Just perfect 46%

TOTAL ENTRIES: 7791

[Gadgets]

My views, in a nutshell:

1 series or A class: 1 series (not sold in USA, check www.bmw.co.uk then)
3 series or C class: 3 series (sedan)
3 series or CLK: 3 series (coupe)
5 series or E class: 5 series
6 series or SL class: SL
7 series or S class: 7 series
Z4 or SLK class: SLK

My selection of SL over 6 and SLK over Z4 is odd because two-seater roadster are supposed to be sporties thanother classes of car, yet me choosing an MB over BMW in with above 2 vehicles shows that design plays a huge role in car purchase. If you don't like the design, then there's no point looking any further (eg. how car handles etc).



99% Right...

All the BMW / MB comparison is totally correct from my point of view....

the 1% I don't agree with you is the mustang... :hmm: :dennis:

:thumbup:

[bz01bimmer]

DUDE i gotta say it... Whot a Fugly Car..!!! looks like a hunday... one of those japanese designs... nothing personal guys (japanese if there's one around here) but it defenelly looks like a Toyota Camry or a Hunday...

if they do the same thing to the M3.. dude.. i'm telling u.. i'm done with the BMW... sorry but bangle SUCK ASS..!!! can i say ASS or A$$
whotever..

Kill Bangle..!! :dunno:
Hyundai is a Korean company bro... Just thought you might want to know from a fellow asian. :thumbup:

[flylikeus]

yeah, it's hard to buy in now, but i hope it grows on me

or i need to pick up a 2004 m3 asap



not feeling that at all, but I said exactly the same thing when the e46 came out and now I can't get enough of it

[formula1]

I think a lot of people resist change because they're so used to being in their comfort zones. The E90 is not even out, yet many are already dismissing the design without even wanting to give it a chance.

Personally, I think the new 5 and 7 are beautiful. I love the front end of the 5, especially a black one. Incidentally, I think the Z4 is an absolute beauty as well. By comparison, it makes the Z3 looks not only exceedingly outdated, but completely docile and unspectacular.

While I understand opinions are subjective, I think we should give it a chance and wait to see and feel the real thing before giving it the death sentence. I can't wait.

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

Sorry if this is a repost (I searched! Honest!)

Car and driver is running a poll on their website:

http://www.caranddriver.com/default.asp?section_id=1

Does the E90 have:

Too much Bangle? (44%)
Too little Bangle? (10%)
Just perfect (46%)

7700+ responses so far.

At almost 15,000 responses, and a whopping nearly 70% of the respondents think "Too much Bangle".

How did that swing so quickly?

Looks fishy :hmm:

[xxpaintmepunkxx]

I think a lot of people resist change because they're so used to being in their comfort zones. The E90 is not even out, yet many are already dismissing the design without even wanting to give it a chance.

Personally, I think the new 5 and 7 are beautiful. I love the front end of the 5, especially a black one. Incidentally, I think the Z4 is an absolute beauty as well. By comparison, it makes the Z3 looks not only exceedingly outdated, but completely docile and unspectacular.

While I understand opinions are subjective, I think we should give it a chance and wait to see and feel the real thing before giving it the death sentence. I can't wait.

I agree...

To be honest, I hated the E90 when I first began to see pictures of it.

I had just gotten my E46, and I wanted to pull out my hair, because when my lease was up, I wouldn't be able to re-lease or purchase another E46. This was going to be it for me.

But as time has passed, the new design has grown on me exponentially. I look at the pictures of the new E90, and I don't even see a huge difference between it and our E46's. It now looks more like a natural evolution of the E46's design to me, than it ever did before. :dunno:

[DarXide]

E90 Its just not as sporty as an E46 i dont like that!
I prefer 100 times more my ZHP than the new E90!
I looks like a car for old people! mixed with a modern look!
E46 ZHP looks a lot more agressive!

[M3tor2nR]

Sorry, but I dislike the E90 platform. E46 all the way.

[boynix]

coupes are sexier to me.. i wonder

[certify]

coupes are sexier to me.. i wonderIs that picture photoshoped?

[boynix]

yup.. i chopped it up

[yayopwr]

yup.. i chopped it up

hahaha thank god
it's a good shot but the roof line looks Fed up

[elmalloc]

I wonder what the convertible versoin will look like?
I'm looking into getting a 330CIC, but wonder what hte newer versoin would look like...

-ELmO :cry:

[gatorpiss]

Sorry, but I dislike the E90 platform. E46 all the way.

yep, bmw lost my next car purchase...i do like the 7 series tho....mmmmm, 7 series :drool: