Level ten beefed up gear box on the way [Archive]

kashif

02-10-2005, 07:37 AM

Its been nearly 3 months since my cars transmission first started giving problems with shifts under normal acceleration. Sure even before that under high loads the gears would slip, after supercharging i have never pushed the car hard from a standing start since it always felt as if something was gonna break. Note my car has the ASA sk1 with headers +sports cats and full exhaust, hence it should be producing torque loads anywhere between 400nm-440 nm(a stock 330 is rated at 300nm of torque), which is way above what the stock auto transmission is rated for. Its the torque that kills a transmission.

Lastly my car came equiped with the ZF 5HP 19 transmission which is good for 300nm of torque(i believe the newer 330s come with GM 5 L40E which is good for 360 nm of torque).

It took me a while to look at all the solutions available to the problem. Currently there are a couple of solutions available to us step owners:

1) G-power- this is obviously too expensive with the euro being so high these days. Their gearbox holds around 420nm of torque.

2) Level 10- Price wise they are cheaper then G-power, they modify the existing ZF 5HP 19 transmission to hold torque loads upto 550nm.

3) The last possible option was to swap ZF 5HP 19 transmission for the GM 5 L40E. This happened to be the cheapest route however, no one i knew of had ever done this before, there was the risk of softwares not matching, also the hardware not bolting up, even if it did work it would still be below the required torque loads. Hence i chose to drop this option.

After many long talks with Sam(representative of Level 10) i made the decision to go for the mod, sure its an expensive mod to have, however i know for one thing my cars going to remain a step. Anyways the gearbox is on its way.. ETA for arrival is 12TH feb.. might take a couple of days to release it from the customs, then the installation. However rest assured there will be a review of the lvl 10 transmission soon.

Lastly another option has recently become available, i received mail from ASA Germany that they have developed a step transmission capable of holding 480nm of torque.

shogun

02-10-2005, 08:01 AM

lemme know how it goes..i'm step and level 10 shop is near me in NJ!!

djyoungz

02-10-2005, 08:25 AM

Let me know how that goes because depending on how that goes I might go with the Level 10 transmission or the ASA transmission that you spoke of. When did you hear about this transmission? Do you know how much it costs?

kashif

02-10-2005, 10:59 AM

djyoungz

02-10-2005, 11:50 AM

Honestly man to tell you, I am really praying for you. Because if this works out for you it'll work out for me.

///OSS

02-10-2005, 01:19 PM

Exellent...Im definitely interested in the outcome of this....

Im about to SC my car and I want to do it right....

How do I know which tranny I have in my car?

whats the easy way to tell?

03' 325CI Steppy

The 330i

02-10-2005, 03:25 PM

Hello kashif, and djyoungz,

kashif -
Its been nearly 3 months since my cars transmission first started giving problems with shifts under normal acceleration. Sure even before that under high loads the gears would slip, after supercharging i have never pushed the car hard from a standing start since it always felt as if something was gonna break. Note my car has the ASA sk1 with headers +sports cats and full exhaust, hence it should be producing torque loads anywhere between 400nm-440 nm(a stock 330 is rated at 300nm of torque), which is way above what the stock auto transmission is rated for. Its the torque that kills a transmission.

Lastly my car came equiped with the ZF 5HP 19 transmission which is good for 300nm of torque(i believe the newer 330s come with GM 5 L40E which is good for 360 nm of torque).

It took me a while to look at all the solutions available to the problem. Currently there are a couple of solutions available to us step owners:

1) G-power- this is obviously too expensive with the euro being so high these days. Their gearbox holds around 420nm of torque.

2) Level 10- Price wise they are cheaper then G-power, they modify the existing ZF 5HP 19 transmission to hold torque loads upto 550nm.

3) The last possible option was to swap ZF 5HP 19 transmission for the GM 5 L40E. This happened to be the cheapest route however, no one i knew of had ever done this before, there was the risk of softwares not matching, also the hardware not bolting up, even if it did work it would still be below the required torque loads. Hence i chose to drop this option.

After many long talks with Sam(representative of Level 10) i made the decision to go for the mod, sure its an expensive mod to have, however i know for one thing my cars going to remain a step. Anyways the gearbox is on its way.. ETA for arrival is 12TH feb.. might take a couple of days to release it from the customs, then the installation. However rest assured there will be a review of the lvl 10 transmission soon.

Lastly another option has recently become available, i received mail from ASA Germany that they have developed a step transmission capable of holding 480nm of torque.

As a fellow car enthusiast, I sincerely hope that everything goes well for you. A reliable source told me that Level10 may not solve the problem with increased power and Steptronic transmission because of lack of transmission ECU tuning. Yet, Level10 or any other way, I hope things do work out, and you will finally have some peace of mind. I know you have had problems of slipping transmission for a long while, and it must have been very frustrating. I wish you the best luck.

djyoungz -
Let me know how that goes because depending on how that goes I might go with the Level 10 transmission or the ASA transmission that you spoke of. When did you hear about this transmission? Do you know how much it costs?

Hasn't your check cleared yet? You told us that you sent a check to Level10 to be cleared, and it was October, 2004! (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=203614) (Please note the posting 8, 14, and 21).

Sincerely,

BMWE46Fl

02-12-2005, 02:07 AM

yeah how much was the level 10 tranny and is there not anyhting that will handle more power?
damn i guess i am going to have to change my tranny very very soon to a manual tranny
wonder how that would work cuz it must be a ***** to do

MrBlonde

02-13-2005, 07:09 AM

kashif

02-13-2005, 11:08 AM

I would be very interested to hear detailed technical specifications of the Level Ten offering, inccluding which transmissions it is based on, what modifications are performed, how much it costs and what output it can handle.

Also any warranty that is provided.

There are a lot of auto tranny guys/girls out their who would love this product if it is real and cost effective!

Its based on the ZF 5HP19(which originally comes with the car), the torque convertor, valve body, clutch packs are moddified on the tranny to hold greater Hp and torque loads.

The transmission i order hold 600hp & 550NM torque. My car should never out put more then 450NM even once i have done ASA sk2. Lastly a 1 year warranty is provided.

For pricing i suggest you directly talk to Levelten.

Mr Paddle.Shift

02-13-2005, 01:47 PM

Kashif,

Good update! I know you've been working on this for a while now. Keep us posted of any progress and best of luck! :thumbup:

kashif

02-16-2005, 12:13 PM

Kashif,

Good update! I know you've been working on this for a while now. Keep us posted of any progress and best of luck! :thumbup:

Thanks Vince,

The car goes to the work shop on saturday.. will keep you guys posted.

shockin330i

02-18-2005, 06:33 PM

Wahoo!!! Finally someone's doing it :crossesfingers:

djyoungz

02-18-2005, 07:19 PM

vince it looks like now your not the only one.. I placed my deposit with level ten today... mine will be the stage 3 and it should be in the hands of active autowerks next tuesday. So i'll have it installed by wednesday because i think my transmission is done.. My car won't go into reverse... it just keeps revving and revving..

DA-MOTORSPORT

02-19-2005, 04:42 AM

This is an important subject for us, too.

The turbocharger systems we are manufacturing will produce lots of torque on manuel transmission equipped BMWs. I.e 3.0L has 450-470 nM. On the automatic tranny side things are complicated. I talked to ASA Infinitas yesterday and was told that auto trannies were sent to ZF for modification. Cost was 5000 euro and they said that the end result was failure again.

5.40i auto tranny conversion may be considered as an option. Though it is difficult to adapt the big 5.40i tranny.

Mert

The 330i

02-19-2005, 09:17 PM

Hello DA-MOTORSPORT/Mert,

This is an important subject for us, too.

The turbocharger systems we are manufacturing will produce lots of torque on manuel transmission equipped BMWs. I.e 3.0L has 450-470 nM. On the automatic tranny side things are complicated. I talked to ASA Infinitas yesterday and was told that auto trannies were sent to ZF for modification. Cost was 5000 euro and they said that the end result was failure again.

5.40i auto tranny conversion may be considered as an option. Though it is difficult to adapt the big 5.40i tranny.

Mert

What did ASA Infinitas do to the transmission? (Or what did ASA Infinitas ask ZF to do to the transmission?)
Why was "the end result was failure?"

Also, about fitting the 540i Steptronic Transmission to the 330i - as you may well know, it will NOT fit. In addition, it's not just the transmission that you will have to work on. There is an issue of transmission software, and software working with each other, etc. If you have a complete solution to this matter, it would be great knowing what you did.

I wonder what Hartge did to fit V8 4.4 in E46.

Sincerely,

BMR2NV

02-20-2005, 11:12 PM

Is the level ten upgrade also available for the AUTO/STEP GM models? Cause my tranny is slipping aswell, and would like to get it sorted threw level ten!

HIGH_HEAT

02-22-2005, 04:19 PM

Dear Enthusiast,
The pts system (performance transmission system) is $3864 and the pts torque
ocnverter upgrade is $598. now installation is $800. It is by sppointment
only and it is then capable of up to 550 hp. it will also out run from 0-top
speed on a standard transmission. the torque multipication is just pure
power.

this is for the 550HP upgrade stage 2.

Stage 1 i belive is 1600 .. 350HP to wheels.

kashif

02-23-2005, 02:04 AM

Allright guys.. i got the car back yesterday evening. I havent gotten much time to be driving it.

I have been very gentle with the car since i want to take it easy on the transmission for atleast the first 1000kms or so. Also i will be posting a review of the transmission after this period is over. If all goes well there will be g-tech times from 0-60.

My initial impressions are that the transmission shifts pretty dam fast. There is almost no delay in shifts, i cannot comment on how solid the transmission feels since i wont be pushing the car for a while.. However the transmission has lost its factory smooth shifts. The shifts are a bit rough. Probably something like M3 smg when its a in the most aggressive mode or so. I talked to Sam of level ten regarding this issue, i was informed that the shifts will become smoother once the 1000mile mark passes, i am just looking to drive this car every day and get some mileage on it.

HIGH_HEAT

02-23-2005, 02:29 AM

good enough for me .. i am going to place an order !

JimBOT

02-23-2005, 03:03 AM

almost no delay in shifts :drool: :drool:

The 330i

02-23-2005, 03:45 AM

Hello kashif,

Allright guys.. i got the car back yesterday evening. I havent gotten much time to be driving it.

I have been very gentle with the car since i want to take it easy on the transmission for atleast the first 1000kms or so. Also i will be posting a review of the transmission after this period is over. If all goes well there will be g-tech times from 0-60.

My initial impressions are that the transmission shifts pretty dam fast. There is almost no delay in shifts, i cannot comment on how solid the transmission feels since i wont be pushing the car for a while.. However the transmission has lost its factory smooth shifts. The shifts are a bit rough. Probably something like M3 smg when its a in the most aggressive mode or so. I talked to Sam of level ten regarding this issue, i was informed that the shifts will become smoother once the 1000mile mark passes, i am just looking to drive this car every day and get some mileage on it.

Although the complete experience is yet to come, congratulations on good first impressions! Hopefully this solves your problms of slipping transmission.

Sincerely,

HIGH_HEAT

02-23-2005, 10:40 AM

kashif

i am going to get in done in a couple weeks ..

thanks

BMWE46Fl

02-23-2005, 10:51 AM

were can i get mine?
i want one but are you sure they handle 550hp? also i was wondering if there was any way to make it handle a little more
i was hoping to get a SMGII tranny swapped in my car but the damn guy at the stealer was an ******* to me just cuz i'm young and said pretty much your stupid straight to my face.....i wish i had my car right there with me when he said that to my face so i could be like oh yeah??? and just lay down a long strip of rubber all over his pretty dealership driveway

djyoungz

02-23-2005, 10:49 PM

to the guy who doesn't believe me... why don't you call Level 10 and ask them if they are not working on a stage 3 transmission for my car at AA tuning. go ahead and call and find out if you think i'm bullsh*ting you.

BMWE46Fl

02-24-2005, 01:23 AM

can someone please tell me how to contact level 10 or something
i am gonna need like the stage 4 tranny if they got one :)
:hi:
i'm really desperate now to get a good tranny that wont blow on me and get it as soon as i can cuz i tried finding a SMG tranny but no luck and the stock step tranny on my car is blown and has a huge crack down the side of it
so that wont work
:cry:

please help

crazy1323

02-24-2005, 09:06 AM

Jst put a 6 speed from a Euro E36 M3 into the car and dont worry about an automatic. The Only other option is like a Turbo drag automatic transmission.

BMWE46Fl

02-24-2005, 11:28 AM

are you sure that will work? i've called soooooo many ppl my phone bill must be like 10k by now and no one can ever tell me anyhtng
damn bmw speciliest?? my a@s i tried AA, Rennen, like 10 dealerships, and a bunch of other places and everyone is like why do you want to do that? ummmm we dont know,....sorry we dont have experiecne with that
thanks for the idea i'm gonna run it by my master mechanic and see if we can get a 6-speed from an e36 then and see if they mate up right
thanks again
Jim

crazy1323

02-24-2005, 11:34 AM

The e36 M3 transmission would have to be from a Euro M3 or else it will be a 5 speed. You could also use a 6 speed from an e46 '04-'05 330 or ZHP. Also, you could use a 5 speed but i would think tha you would want the extra gear. Unless you are going to push a crazy ammount of power, like 750hp, the stock manual should be fine. Remimber that people have gotten crazy Hp out of e36 M3's on stock transmissions. Good luck.

BMWE46Fl

02-24-2005, 11:38 AM

ok prefect but yeah we are aiming at around 750 and more :)
so i am gonna take whatever transmission i end up getting apart and replacing a few parts so it gets better wear and lasts

kashif

02-28-2005, 01:17 AM

250 Mile update.

i have been driving the car everyday since i got it back, trying to get as much milage as i can on this transmission. The transmission has be become a lot smoother then before, sure it still is rough, i would say slightly rougher then stock now. Strange part is it tends to be smoother at higher rpms(it feels just like stock at higher rpms).

I have started to take the car at higher rpms. today i was taking the car upto 4k rpm in second gear(45mph) note at this speed the transmission felt dam stable, this was the point beyond which the old transmission would start slipping, i am confident it wont be the case this time around :) since the transmission feels so stable at this point.

I intend to raise the rpms further once i cross the 350mile mark, perhaps even run try shifting at full boost after crossing 500miles if things go well :)

bmw4130

02-28-2005, 01:33 AM

BMWE46Fl

03-04-2005, 04:33 PM

anyone have any info where to contact the manufactuer of the Level ten tranny
i am sick of looking for the smg tranny and might just settle for the level ten for now

The 330i

03-04-2005, 05:59 PM

Hello BMWE46FI,

anyone have any info where to contact the manufactuer of the Level ten tranny
i am sick of looking for the smg tranny and might just settle for the level ten for now

www.levelten.com

Please be aware that they were not the fastest when it comes to e-mail replies. You might just call them.

Sincerely,

BMWE46Fl

03-04-2005, 06:58 PM

:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot: YEAH I JUST ORDERED A STAGE 3 TRANSMISSION FROM LEVEL 10 AND GOT A GREAT DEAL FOR IT ALSO
I CANT WAIT TILL I GETS HERE SO I CAN FINALLY POST UP SOME VIDEOS OF MY TURBO E46
WITH STAGE 3 SUPPOSED TO HANDLE UP TOO 800HP I'M THINKING OF SETTING MY CAR TO AROUND 18LBS OF BOOST AND GET IT TO 700HP
:) :shhh:

Gilb3rt0

03-04-2005, 08:23 PM

18 psi at 700 hp?? What turbo you running??

BMWE46Fl

03-04-2005, 09:34 PM

had a PT-67 mated to my engine but i changed it for a PT-69, running 8.5:1 compression, forged internals(rods,pistons,crank) triple layer headgasket, 3 stage meth injection, 850cc injections plus my secret injectors :shhh: , lightweight flywheel, 1000hp rated FMIC, and the reguired head studs and etc... custom 3.5inhc piping for turbo and 4" exhuast(but when i get my new widebody it will be 2 3.5" side exiting exhuast)
oh and its not running on regular gas, gonna be running race gas

my next phase is to find out what differential to use...i have a 3.46 in there but a bunch of guys on here are saying its too much that i should use something smaller like a 2.97 or 3.15 but i am thinking of giving a company i saw an article for and see if they will make me a custom differential with something like 3.25 or something and make it Limited slip

i will get an offical timeslip and dyno sheet as soon as the car is back together
and when i was turn it up to 18psi to get 700hp i was just stating what a few mechanics are thinking i'll be making....wont be sure till i get the transmission now :thumbup:
but wow i cant wait

18 psi at 700 hp?? What turbo you running??

Gilb3rt0

03-04-2005, 09:41 PM

Well if you get a 6 speed the 3.46 rear should be fine. I would get an e36 euro 6 speed box if I was getting all that power. Ill probably be swapping in a 6 speed box within the year unless I change my plans on the car.

Gilb3rt0

03-04-2005, 09:45 PM

pt-69 Ive never heard of that turbo. Who makes that?

pamela chapple

03-04-2005, 09:46 PM

Heeey what brand of turbo are you running? I been off the forum 4 a while and I thought the e46's was all s/c. I'm sitting at home staring into a box of aatuning s/c kit for my 323 wagon, which I may be selling because I want to sell the car. It was suppose to be my daily runner. I push my 02smgM3 on good wknds. Holla Back!!!

BMWE46Fl

03-04-2005, 09:48 PM

yeah i got a bunch of ppl that told me to use that tranny but since my project car with the turbo was already a steptronic i decided to go with the Level 10 tranny becuase i tried to get my hands on the M3 6-speed MT or the M3 SMG and couldnt find anyhting and i really didnt want to get the E36 tranny cuz the ones i found were a little beat up and also to do the automatic to manual swap was gonna cost me pretty much the same as just getting the beefed up auto tranny
and also having the step is sometimes really fun compares to the stick becuase i had a bad knee accident a long time ago back in end of middle school begingne highschool and my left leg doesnt like to have to constantly push the clutch to shift gears....that is also one of the reason in most of my posts i was really trying to get the SMG instead
but i got sick of waiting and wanted my car out of the shop so i could keep modding and get the paint/bosy work done soon

BMWE46Fl

03-04-2005, 09:53 PM

pt-69 Ive never heard of that turbo. Who makes that?
Heeey what brand of turbo are you running? I been off the forum 4 a while and I thought the e46's was all s/c. I'm sitting at home staring into a box of aatuning s/c kit for my 323 wagon, which I may be selling because I want to sell the car. It was suppose to be my daily runner. I push my 02smgM3 on good wknds. Holla Back!!!

its a garrett turbo....in their cataloge its unde their race turbos
the 67 was good for 850hp and the 69 with the little extra moded internals of the turbo(custom trim, etc) it should hanlde 950 to 1000hp before it would just seize up

but i do not plan on forcing my engine ever that hard
i just want to have a really nice setup and have the option of tunring up the boost if i want to race or at a dyno challenge or drag strip and not have to worry about having a huge piston go flying throw my hood
also i prefered to spend the few extra bills to get all the parts done right then have to half ass it and then half to replace everyhting when i blew the engine
now once i get the tranny we will see if we did it right or not
wish me luck
-Jim

the car you see in my sig is the car that got turbo charged....does anyone like the rims? i am going to change them to a wider lip once i do my wide body but are they atleast decent for the daily grind?

Gilb3rt0

03-04-2005, 09:55 PM

BMWE46Fl

03-04-2005, 10:01 PM

Couldnt find any m3 trannies?? Ive gotten plenty of offers and every once in a while you see them for sale on this forum. I dont see how finding a six speed is troublesome for you. By the way that euro 6 speed is probably one of the best trannies bmw made. They hold up on plenty of high hp turbocharged m3's in europe. I will definately do it once I get the money. On the rear issue a 3.15 or a 2.93 would probably be the best for your car if you want some nice top end. Unless you get a 6 speed sell that 3.46 cause it will just mean lower top end for you.

damn now i hate you
go check almost all my other posts and you will see me begging everyone if they had a M3 tranny to tell me cuz i needed on and i never got a response from anyone and i also checked the for sale threads and didnt find anything
i gave it all of january and feb and didnt find anyhting so i just said f it
yeah and i also know the Euro 6 is i actually think it is the best but like i said i am sort of handicapped and needed somethign i could use and not worry about my knee hurting after i got done
and yeah i know about the 3.46 giving me low top end of around 154mph but i want to acutally see a comparison of how fast it accelerates compares to a 2.97 or 3.15 or soemthing
honestly someone here tell me who really drives all that fast here in the US??? there is not enough roads to do it on and then if you try you have the damn blue and red in your mirror if you do
also i was told since the 3.46 is supposedly better for acceleration it will be ok cuz it will make up for some of the turbo lag at the track or if i try any autox ing

Gilb3rt0

03-04-2005, 10:09 PM

Well with that turbo you should be expecting LOTS of turbo lag. If im not mistaken the t-69 is what they use on supras with like crazy hp. Your still gonna have lag with the 3.46 youll just accelerate faster a bit. Id much rather stick with the 2.93 capable of 170 mph with a 5 speed I believe. Driving fast??? Umm I plan on driving fast when I get my car back. No road?? Umm buddy with your hp you should be nailing 150 with the blink of an eye. Since I had no management before I kept nailing the speed limiter at 138 all day long like it was nothing at 5 psi. My friend had a turbo vr6 and we hit 160 + all day long on any stretch. Plus your in fl theres alot of highways down here where you can hit triple digit speeds no problem. If you were to say you were from nyc than speeding would be a problem.

racingdynamics2

03-04-2005, 10:50 PM

If you were to say you were from nyc than speeding would be a problem.

GOOD POINT INDEED

BMWE46Fl

03-04-2005, 10:52 PM

well yeah you are right on most of the stuff
it is one of the turbos they use a bunch of the 2JZ engines for tons of hp and it does have a bunch of lag but about going fast?? yeah i'll go fast whenever its open road but its not like oh yeah i got free road open to me 24/& and have space to do over 130 all the time....where i live i got traffic most of the time and usually got to keep it under 120 unless i want to end up as another guys rear bumper sticker
and yeah you are right there are A LOT OF HIGHWAYS DOWN HERE, but i live in the city and dont use the higways for anyhting cuz i dont have anyhting to do otuside of my city, i do everyhing there, only place i really drive to is usually orlando every other weekend to hang out with a bunch of college buddies but that by way of I4 and that road has been under construction for like the past 20years it feels like
+ i rally dont need to go that fast cops here in tampa are all over the place when i seem to go out and i'm not trying to end up dead or in jail
sorry but i am pretty satisfied with 150mph but maybe one day if i do get bored of it i'll change to something diffrent and get more top end

Gilb3rt0

03-04-2005, 11:03 PM

Its funny cause where I live theres a couple of highways. In jersey I had route 1 & 9 pretty much at my door step so I had fun especially on the 1&9 north toward newark and pulaski skyway stretch. Over here I have burnt store rd pretty much on my door step. Its also pretty much deserted in cape coral so I could pretty much speed on alot of streets with out any traffic BUT my ride isnt down here with me.

HIGH_HEAT

03-05-2005, 02:56 AM

18psi engine will go BOOM ... i would not do anything over 12-14 when running a Turbo on an E46 .

also whats the tranny deal... how much did it cost you.

VMRWheels

03-05-2005, 03:11 AM

BMWE46Fl

03-05-2005, 01:49 PM

Hmmm.... Level 10.... Here's some reading materials from my Supra days... I'm a vendor so I'm not sure if i should even be posting this kind of stuff... so let me know.

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sh...hlight=level+10

it wont let me register to see so can you please copy and paste here so we can see what your trying tosay

18psi engine will go BOOM ... i would not do anything over 12-14 when running a Turbo on an E46 .

also whats the tranny deal... how much did it cost you.

why do you think my engine will go boom at 18psi?
actice autowerke did a turbo MZ3 coupe that is laying down 726hp at 21 psi and they are usuing a smaller turbo then i am
they used the GT series GT-40R which is dual ball bearing adn the 726hp sound very close to what it should put out if they tunned it right
i was going to do a GT-35R or GT-40R before but then i was like i want sometehing big and jaw dropping
a PT-69 will lay down easily the 700hp and lets make a compariision of what AA did and what i did....them fully built engine...me fully built engine, AA FMIC, Me=FMIC, meth injection them so did i, bigger injectors same here, pretty much everyhting they did i have done to my engine and i took it one step furth by adding everyhting a little bit bihgger then they did

go look at their website and tell me they are lying......
18psi is nothing
my friends with supras are all running crazy hp.s over 1000hp and over and running 30psi +
as long as my engine is sealed up right and i used quality parts like i did then i wont have a problem with 18psi
sorry but i dont buy the idea of it not working
:hi:

Gilb3rt0

03-05-2005, 02:37 PM

Isnt the turbo called t-69? I never heard of the pt series. If what you say is true about your motor being built you shouldnt have problems at 18 psi. I have a friend that made 745 whp out of an e36 motor at 22 psi. Just make sure you dont have any faulty plugs or injectors. It would suck for it to blow up because of something that little. By the way do you have pictures of your engine bay?? Id love to see what you did with the manifolds. Whats up with this meth injection?? AA loves that stuff for some reason. I mean if your cars tuned right you wont need it.

HIGH_HEAT

03-05-2005, 05:04 PM

e36 engines and e46 are sooo much different ...

why do you want that much boost running in a lil 3 L engine??? just get the AA kit for your M3 or wait till the asa kit is out.. no need to spend that much money just to boost your car..

Gilb3rt0

03-05-2005, 05:32 PM

Theres actually not that much different from the e36 and e46 motors. I mean a few things here and there but all in all both motors can handle boost pretty well if you got it tuned correctly. As far as him boosting 18 psi in a 330 motor? I wouldnt do it, Id get the s54 motor and build that up. But whatever if he does get 700 hp out of that motor than props to him.

BMWE46Fl

03-05-2005, 05:57 PM

well i dont know what to tell you about it being either a or a pt-69 but i can swear that when i saw it in catalouge with a PT code not a T

about faulty plugs and injectors the good thing is that they are easy to get to since they sit right on top of the engine and i always try to check them often(like every few k miles) so i hope i will notice something before one goes bad
about the meth injection....its not that just they love using but alot of turbo cars like to use it to help resist detonation and give a little cooler charge so you get a little bit of more power.....not liek wow like 100 from nitrous but just a little extra help and everyone tells me not to even dare try to boost without it
can you find out what turbo your friend was using??? becuase also remember....if he can get 745hp at 22psi....remeber the bigger the turbo the more lag but the lower the psi setting you have to set it at to get bigger hp figures
i did a small comparison with a friend...i know its not even a good comparison but just to have an idea....he's running 28psi on a small little t-25 or t-28 or whatever those small little turbos are and getting only around 400hp in his car....he changed his turbo to a gt-30 and set it to 15psi and is getting the same HP numbers
tell me if i am wrong cuz i'm not a engine wise or anyhting cuz i mihgt be completely wrong but maybe that is what would happen with my car
:dunno:
check my other posts and you will see the only reason i post all my info is becuase i get ideas and everything from other ppl that may know about turbos and etc....

to high heat:
i dont want a supercharger kit for my M3 becuase that is not the car i am modding and willing to void warrenty on
i'm leaving my M3 and the 04 325 stock except for like rims and small add ons cuz i dont have tons of money to have to repair all three out of my own pocket and since they were from the dealer they gave me that new all maintance paid for for the remainder of the warrenty or whataver they call it
and also why want to be boosted in a LITTLE?? 3.0L???? what its only a 3.2l in the M3...wow that such a huge diffrence and also if you even checked what are supra engines???? 3.0L thank you

Gilb3rt0

03-05-2005, 06:58 PM

His turbo if i remember correctly is a t68 to begin with. He modified the internals and put in ball bearing pieces or something. He starts making boost at 2200 rpm and I believe makes full boost at 3500. In a big turbo like that hes spooling pretty fast. I knew one guy who wouldnt make full boost till 4500 rpm.

GarrettF

03-05-2005, 10:46 PM

it wont let me register to see so can you please copy and paste here so we can see what your trying tosay

why do you think my engine will go boom at 18psi?
actice autowerke did a turbo MZ3 coupe that is laying down 726hp at 21 psi and they are usuing a smaller turbo then i am
they used the GT series GT-40R which is dual ball bearing adn the 726hp sound very close to what it should put out if they tunned it right
i was going to do a GT-35R or GT-40R before but then i was like i want sometehing big and jaw dropping
a PT-69 will lay down easily the 700hp and lets make a compariision of what AA did and what i did....them fully built engine...me fully built engine, AA FMIC, Me=FMIC, meth injection them so did i, bigger injectors same here, pretty much everyhting they did i have done to my engine and i took it one step furth by adding everyhting a little bit bihgger then they did

go look at their website and tell me they are lying......
18psi is nothing
my friends with supras are all running crazy hp.s over 1000hp and over and running 30psi +
as long as my engine is sealed up right and i used quality parts like i did then i wont have a problem with 18psi
sorry but i dont buy the idea of it not working
:hi:

Fine... get m3 mirrors

BMWE46Fl

03-05-2005, 11:13 PM

Fine... get m3 mirrors

already have them but i am selling them to a freind and gettting a set of CF M3 side mirrors from one of the sponsors here....i just wish it wasnt so expensive
but just so you know the pic i have posted is atleast all the way back from september i think....

BMWE46Fl

03-24-2005, 12:33 AM

any updates o the level ten tranny i am still waiting for mine and i hear they are not any good anymore
:bawling:

DBRASCO

03-24-2005, 03:11 AM

:bs:

BMWE46Fl

03-24-2005, 04:22 PM

:bs:
wow such an original reply :hmm:

DBRASCO

03-24-2005, 06:25 PM

wow such an original reply :hmm:
I have been following this thread and read everything that you say. You say that something is too expensive, but then turn around and tell us that you are dumping a whole bunch of money into this turbo project.
the reason why I say :bs: is because you have listed all of "your" cars that you supposedly own but yet have this "not so greatly modded" e46 picture as your sig. You sound like you know what you are talking about, but that just might be from all of the magazines and catalogs you read. Before you go dumping all this money into your engine I think you should work on the exterior a little bit. For starters, take off the M grill and get some different rims. Actually you would probably better off going back to stock. That would look better then what you have now. But hey I could be wrong and you could be telling the truth. Post of some pictures or something to eliminate the doubt. :thumbup:

BMWE46Fl

03-24-2005, 08:33 PM

I have been following this thread and read everything that you say. You say that something is too expensive, but then turn around and tell us that you are dumping a whole bunch of money into this turbo project.
the reason why I say :bs: is because you have listed all of "your" cars that you supposedly own but yet have this "not so greatly modded" e46 picture as your sig. You sound like you know what you are talking about, but that just might be from all of the magazines and catalogs you read. Before you go dumping all this money into your engine I think you should work on the exterior a little bit. For starters, take off the M grill and get some different rims. Actually you would probably better off going back to stock. That would look better then what you have now. But hey I could be wrong and you could be telling the truth. Post of some pictures or something to eliminate the doubt. :thumbup:

first of you must not be following along with my posts becuase i am pretty sure i stated that the picture in my sig is from a year ago and that both my M and the 04 are stock and only the 323 have i modded
and where are you referring to that something was too expensive? not being a ass or anything but i didnt see it when i checked cuz i was curious where you got that idea from, please show me the post i did where it says that
i already posted this picture of when we were doing the engine transplant and i already said before that i am not releasing any pictures till the project is done
call up sam if you would like at Level Ten and ask if a Jim has ordered a Stage 3 transmission from them and they will say yes and it should be done by monday or tusday(or atleast that is what he told me today when i got off the phone with him)
rims? they are off, side girlls, they dont have the M3 emblam on them they just are the grills becuase i wanted wider fenders and now they are even going to be wider once i begin the widebody kit i am going to make

PS i just saw the post i think you were refering to the expensive post???? wtf dude i said a set of CF grills for 500 was expensive? oh wow OEM grills go for 100 for both at the local dealer so 400 extra just to have them wrapped in CF(becuase they are not pure CF) is just rediculous

so if you are worring about the exterior looking shitty well sorry but you gotta wait just like ive been waiting for 3 months waiting for the ewngine to be done and it still isnt, unless you know of a place where i can get them to work on my car and tune it and paint it at the same time and do my audio your gonna have to wait just like everyone and including myself have to

:hi:

DBRASCO

03-25-2005, 02:53 AM

first of you must not be following along with my posts becuase i am pretty sure i stated that the picture in my sig is from a year ago and that both my M and the 04 are stock and only the 323 have i modded
and where are you referring to that something was too expensive? not being a ass or anything but i didnt see it when i checked cuz i was curious where you got that idea from, please show me the post i did where it says that
i already posted this picture of when we were doing the engine transplant and i already said before that i am not releasing any pictures till the project is done
call up sam if you would like at Level Ten and ask if a Jim has ordered a Stage 3 transmission from them and they will say yes and it should be done by monday or tusday(or atleast that is what he told me today when i got off the phone with him)
rims? they are off, side girlls, they dont have the M3 emblam on them they just are the grills becuase i wanted wider fenders and now they are even going to be wider once i begin the widebody kit i am going to make

PS i just saw the post i think you were refering to the expensive post???? wtf dude i said a set of CF grills for 500 was expensive? oh wow OEM grills go for 100 for both at the local dealer so 400 extra just to have them wrapped in CF(becuase they are not pure CF) is just rediculous

so if you are worring about the exterior looking shitty well sorry but you gotta wait just like ive been waiting for 3 months waiting for the ewngine to be done and it still isnt, unless you know of a place where i can get them to work on my car and tune it and paint it at the same time and do my audio your gonna have to wait just like everyone and including myself have to

:hi:

I take that back about the exterior of your car. I just relized that it has M3 fenders. Maybe the picture just makes the car look wierd or cheap, i don't know. But like I said I have my doubts and if you could just provide pictures that would be great. I know that you don't want to release pictures of the project but I'm sure you can take a general photo without showing all the little secrets.