is fish considered "meat"??

[bmwti]

I went out to dinner with a couple of my friends, the other friday, and they werent allowed to eat meat because of Lent. So they were looking at the seafood menu instead. When I made the comment that I though they told me they werent eating meat. They went on to say seafood isnt meat?? So I went on to suggest a nice chicken entree, and they looked at me like an idiot, saying that chicken is meat. Now I always thought chicken was meat anyways, but since they considered fish not to be meat, I assumed they would think the same thing about a bird (like chicken).

I'm a lost here? wouldnt beef, chicken, duck, crab, or salmon, all be considered meat?? It's one thing if they said that their religion lets them eat fish on fridays during Lent, but to flat out say that fish isnt meat, makes it more confusing.....

[kendogg325]

sushi.. MMmmmMmm

[tim g]

Fish is def. meat. Ofcourse I wouldnt consider someone that decides not to eat for no reason very bright to begin with, they just proved it.

[Gadgets]

I went out to dinner with a couple of my friends, the other friday, and they werent allowed to eat meat because of Lent. So they were looking at the seafood menu instead. When I made the comment that I though they told me they werent eating meat. They went on to say seafood isnt meat?? So I went on to suggest a nice chicken entree, and they looked at me like an idiot, saying that chicken is meat. Now I always thought chicken was meat anyways, but since they considered fish not to be meat, I assumed they would think the same thing about a bird (like chicken).

I'm a lost here? wouldnt beef, chicken, duck, crab, or salmon, all be considered meat?? It's one thing if they said that their religion lets them eat fish on fridays during Lent, but to flat out say that fish isnt meat, makes it more confusing.....


Fish does not considered as meat.

[Straz M3]

Fish is not meat...Catholics eat fish whenever meat is not allowed...

[Ward]

your friend must think that fish falls under the fruits and vegetables category. you tell us how smart he is.

[brew]

Fish does not considered as meat.

What about manatee . . or sea turtle?

How about iguana?

Sea snakes?

The dictionary says that fish is meat:

"The edible flesh of animals, especially that of mammals as opposed to that of fish or poultry." (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language 4th)

"the flesh of animals (including fishes and birds and snails) used as food" (Worldnet)

[mtnbound]

Fish is def. meat. Ofcourse I wouldnt consider someone that decides not to eat for no reason very bright to begin with, they just proved it.

Actually, besides your horrendous grammar, your lack of factual information shows that you're actually not the bright one.

Fish is not meat, nor is poultry. FDA and USDA both define meat as flesh derived from cattle, sheep, swine, goats, horses, mules, and other equines. Hence, there are different regulations around meat, poultry, and fish. Typically, what is defined as meat is flesh from mammals.

[tim g]

hahahahhahha catholics dont consider fish meat? I dont mean to offend anyone personally, but Im finding religions stupider and stupider everyday. Just because they screwed themselves over deciding that they cant eat meat, they decide to cheat and make an exception?

[mtnbound]

What about manatee . . or sea turtle?

How about iguana?

Sea snakes?

The dictionary says that fish is meat:

"The edible flesh of animals, especially that of mammals as opposed to that of fish or poultry." (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language 4th)

"the flesh of animals (including fishes and birds and snails) used as food" (Worldnet)

Dude....reread your quote from the first source that you reference...."that of mammals *as opposed to* that of fish or poultry."

[trybaljedi]

lol. I never understood this hypocrisy. I love when they consider themselves vegetarians.

[pjk208]

i consider meat as any kind of flesh of a living being with a centralized nervous system... which would include fish/poultry/red meat. Its silly to think that fish and poultry should be treated any differently despite the fact that they both utilize centralized nervous systems like the other animals...

[Skeeter]

Fish is meat.

[MFarrZHP]

Anything from animal is meat to me. Any true vegan does not eat any type of animal product. I eat meat, chicken, fish, beef, etc.

meat

n 1: the flesh of animals (including fishes and birds and snails) used as food


Sure there are some connotations that meat is only "red meat". And Catholics have their own definitions for a lot of things.

Bottom line, if a living animal died for you to eat it, then it's meat.

[brew]

Dude....reread your quote from the first source that you reference...."that of mammals *as opposed to* that of fish or poultry."


Um, ok - I just re-read it and saw where you changed the words in the definition to make it mean something different. So what? The orginal definition specifically included fish and poultry. Your revised definition excluded it. What's your point?

[Tenchi]

potatoes have meat too.

fish is meat too, but your friends are prolly giving up meat from warm blooded animals ie pork, beef, chicken.

[Straz M3]

I was just saying fish is acceptable during lent when meat is forbidden...

[mtnbound]

Um, ok - I just re-read it and saw where you changed the words in the definition to make it mean something different. So what? The orginal definition specifically included fish and poultry. Your revised definition excluded it. What's your point?

You're high...I didn't change or revise anything - I'd have to login as you to hack your post. Look at your very own post. It's copied and pasted verbatim from the definition that you provided.

[James330I]

I'm catholic and we aren't allowed to eat RED meat (ck, pork, lamb or beef) on Fridays during lent

(although 12:01 Sat. morning, I'm throwing down on a sausage pepp. pizza)

let's not get too technical...our church does not consider fish as Red meat

[Tenchi]

I'm catholic and we aren't allowed to eat red mean (ck, pork, lamb or beef)

let's not get too technical...our church does not consider fish as meat


are u serious? :hmm:

[MFarrZHP]

I'm catholic and we aren't allowed to eat red mean (ck, pork, lamb or beef)

let's not get too technical...our church does not consider fish as meat

I dont think he is questioning what your church considers meat. He is questioning what is meat in the secular world. His catholic friends couldnt eat meat, but could eat fish. Seems kind of hypocritical to secular people, because we would call fish "meat".

[cigarfanatic]

In a religious sense meat is referenced to flesh from mammals...

I don't understand why atheists get so caught up in attacking religions?

[S2Krazy]

I'm catholic and we aren't allowed to eat RED meat (ck, pork, lamb or beef) on Fridays during lent

(although 12:01 Sat. morning, I'm throwing down on a sausage pepp. pizza)

let's not get too technical...our church does not consider fish as Red meatit is considered white meat like the chicken , which makes it ok to eat .

[brew]

You're high...I didn't change or revise anything - I'd have to login as you to hack your post. Look at your very own post. It's copied and pasted verbatim from the definition that you provided.

ah, ok, Imisread - I thought you had quoted the entire definition

The original definition still includes fish and poultry as meat though. The "especially" suggests that there is some question on the matter . . but it doesn't exclude them entirely.

[tim g]

Hey I've always wondered, do real catholics believe that everyone in, for example, India are going to hell because they dont believe in their god?

[kmorris_330]

hahahahhahha catholics dont consider fish meat? I dont mean to offend anyone personally, but Im finding religions stupider and stupider everyday. Just because they screwed themselves over deciding that they cant eat meat, they decide to cheat and make an exception? Dude, you really have no idea what you're talking about and really making yourself look like a douche-bag. Many religions have similar practices to not eating "meat" on Fridays.

[codex57]

I asked a Catholic coworker of mine. He said he had a friend that actually studied religion and teh explanation he got was that back in the 1800s, the Vatican wanted to help the Italian fishing industry and said they could eat fish. Sounds plausible enough. :dunno:

[cigarfanatic]

Hey I've always wondered, do real catholics believe that everyone in, for example, India are going to hell because they dont believe in their god?


No, only you.

[MFarrZHP]

In a religious sense meat is referenced to flesh from mammals...

I don't understand why atheists get so caught up in attacking religions?

Some people are attacking religions, others are simply asking questions of religion. It's not only atheists, but also people who believe in God, but not formalized religion.

[kmorris_330]

Hey I've always wondered, do real catholics believe that everyone in, for example, India are going to hell because they dont believe in their god? No, I don't know one Catholic that believes that.

[mach330]

i think you guys are missing the whole point of lent. yes..fish is meat, but catholics are allowed to eat it on fridays. it's because back in the days other forms of "meat" (chicken, beef, and pork) are considered luxury while fish is abundant. that's why the catholic church allows fish as a non-meat. although we can eat eggs too, which is not a chicken yet...lol

[tim g]

Dude, you really have no idea what you're talking about and really making yourself look like a douche-bag. Many religions have similar practices to not eating "meat" on Fridays.


You're right, I was being a little bit harsh. I'm always quick to piss off religious people because I personally think its all total rubbish, and I have never been able to debate it with anyone who could hold up their side of the argument. In my eyes, you can't possibly have any common sense and believe in any major religion. Ofcourse these are my views, and you can feel free to believe whatever will let you sleep at night. Religion is just an excuse to explain things that people dont yet understand. Catholics used to swear up and down that the earth was the center of the universe, and would even kill to uphold their belief, until science proved them wrong and the church had to shut its mouth. I believe that as science answers more questions, religion will slowly fade away (as has been going on for the last few hundred years.) What do you think would happen to religion if tomorrow scientists had cold, hard, undeniable proof of evolution and the big bang? Sorry for my rant, maybe I'm just an 18 year old that doesn't want to buy BS just because white guys in robes say so.

[l2dopel]

ok..this debate is like that of vegans and vegetarians...

[bmwti]

In a religious sense meat is referenced to flesh from mammals...

I don't understand why atheists get so caught up in attacking religions?

how am I attacking religion?? I wasnt attacking anything. I was simply trying to understand.

now to go on with what you said- "flesh from mammals" Chicken is a bird, bird is NOT a mammal, and yet they cant eat chicken either. So something doesnt hold with the definition you gave.

In any case, I'm just curious about all this, and I'm not judging anyone or what they eat, nor am I mocking peoples individual food preferences or religious views.

I just want to know what is considered meat, in a normal sense, as well as religious :)

[James330I]

i think you guys are missing the whole point of lent. yes..fish is meat, but catholics are allowed to eat it on fridays. it's because back in the days other forms of "meat" (chicken, beef, and pork) are considered luxury while fish is abundant. that's why the catholic church allows fish as a non-meat. although we can eat eggs too, which is not a chicken yet...lol


true to a certain degree...it doesn't really apply anymore today b/c fish is mucho $$. I spend so much more on fridays during lent b/c of sushi

i see lent more of as an exercise in self-control and sacrifice. Giving up meat sucks.

[MFarrZHP]

i think you guys are missing the whole point of lent. yes..fish is meat, but catholics are allowed to eat it on fridays. it's because back in the days other forms of "meat" (chicken, beef, and pork) are considered luxury while fish is abundant. that's why the catholic church allows fish as a non-meat. although we can eat eggs too, which is not a chicken yet...lol

:werd: The best explanation yet.

[cigarfanatic]

Sorry for my rant, maybe I'm just an 18 year old that doesn't want to buy BS just because white guys in robes say so.


This last line just explained the reason for your confusion.... hope you find yourself in a few years.... I think before you find the understanding of religion you need to find yourself first.

[cigarfanatic]

i see lent more of as an exercise in self-control and sacrifice. Giving up meat sucks.


Bam! James nailed the answer, no need to get too technical. Ease up people!

[cigarfanatic]

I just want to know what is considered meat, in a normal sense, as well as religious :)


Normal sense look in the dictionary.

Religious attend church and ask the priest/preacher.

-end-

[tim g]

This last line just explained the reason for your confusion.... hope you find yourself in a few years.... I think before you find the understanding of religion you need to find yourself first.

Maybe you're right, I just rely on logic rather than belief. To be honest, I consider god a force or property, kind of like gravity. God is the force that is in everything that makes our universe work. Kind of like the Star Wars "Force", I think that is god. I'm still developing this belief, but I think I am on the right track. Please, for all the guys smashing away furiously at their keyboards, bear with me because I'm still young and learning. I'm really sorry about offending anyone with any of my previous comments, I'm just trying to understand. Have any of your beliefs changed dramatically over the years, to the point where you look back and cant understand why you even considered such nonsense in the first place?

[bmwti]

Normal sense look in the dictionary.

Religious attend church and ask the priest/preacher.

-end-


or I could just ask my fellow fanatics, to see their views and opinions. which is what I did. :dunno:

[cigarfanatic]

or I could just ask my fellow fanatics, to see their views and opinions. which is what I did. :dunno:
:bow:

[tim g]

On a side note, this thread has 42 views and 41 posts, I've never seen such an active thread. I am really enjoying this debate :)

[bmwti]

Kind of like the Star Wars "Force", I think that is god.

actually George Lucas killed that whole "force" idea, when he introduced the stupid "medochlorians" theory into the mix- In "Episode I Phantom Menace". :(

[cigarfanatic]

Have any of your beliefs changed dramatically over the years, to the point where you look back and cant understand why you even considered such nonsense in the first place?


yes, Tim, constantly! (but to a lesser degree than which you described)

I've went back and forth from ages 16 to 25, and I still do it once in awhile now depending on my mood/phase in life.

I beleive it's normal to question but please be careful not to offend and disrespect others. That isn't right. I can understand what you're feeling though, and you still are a baby in my eyes being only 18 lol

[mtnbound]

I asked a Catholic coworker of mine. He said he had a friend that actually studied religion and teh explanation he got was that back in the 1800s, the Vatican wanted to help the Italian fishing industry and said they could eat fish. Sounds plausible enough. :dunno:

It actually dates far before the 1800s. One of the frequently referenced documents is from Pope Gregory (around the 6th or 7th century, if I recall).

As someone has said, cattle etc. were considered luxuries - some church leaders encouraged, perhaps even required, that the money "saved" by not eating meat be donated to the church.

[tim g]

Seriously though, what would the church do if tomorrow evolution and the big bang were proven?

[Gadgets]

Guyz - hold your horses... you may or may not think that fish is meat or even a vegetable - buttom line is that he's talking about the religious concept - and from the religious point of view (catholic, jewish, muslim & more) fish is NOT meat.

Not that i'm religious...

[cigarfanatic]

Seriously though, what would the church do if tomorrow evolution and the big bang were proven?


well, simply put (going with your logic), before tomorrow comes it will be the end of the world. So that doesn't help anyone does it?

[cigarfanatic]

Guyz - hold your horses... you may or may think that fish is meat or even a vegetable - buttom line is that he's talking about the religious concept - and from the religious point of view (catholic, jewish, muslim & more) fish is NOT meat.

Not that i'm religious...


He deserves an award :woot: well said

[tim g]

well, simply put (going with your logic), before tomorrow comes it will be the end of the world. So that doesn't help anyone does it?

:bawling: catholics sure are pessimistic.

[Gadgets]

He deserves an award :woot: well said

:bow:

[kmorris_330]

You're right, I was being a little bit harsh. I'm always quick to piss off religious people because I personally think its all total rubbish, and I have never been able to debate it with anyone who could hold up their side of the argument. In my eyes, you can't possibly have any common sense and believe in any major religion. Ofcourse these are my views, and you can feel free to believe whatever will let you sleep at night. Religion is just an excuse to explain things that people dont yet understand. Catholics used to swear up and down that the earth was the center of the universe, and would even kill to uphold their belief, until science proved them wrong and the church had to shut its mouth. I believe that as science answers more questions, religion will slowly fade away (as has been going on for the last few hundred years.) What do you think would happen to religion if tomorrow scientists had cold, hard, undeniable proof of evolution and the big bang? Sorry for my rant, maybe I'm just an 18 year old that doesn't want to buy BS just because white guys in robes say so. I'll pretend that was an applogy to the religous ones on the board :P Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion, but let me ask you one thing, what caused the big bang and evolution? I'm not uber religous, evolution is obvious, but I definately feel that there is some sort a greater force behind all that.

[tim g]

Yeah, EXACTLY! Some greater "force". Read my next post.

[kmorris_330]

Maybe you're right, I just rely on logic rather than belief. To be honest, I consider god a force or property, kind of like gravity. God is the force that is in everything that makes our universe work. Kind of like the Star Wars "Force", I think that is god. I'm still developing this belief, but I think I am on the right track. Please, for all the guys smashing away furiously at their keyboards, bear with me because I'm still young and learning. I'm really sorry about offending anyone with any of my previous comments, I'm just trying to understand. Have any of your beliefs changed dramatically over the years, to the point where you look back and cant understand why you even considered such nonsense in the first place? I think thats a valid belief system. It seems almost Buddhist. Anyone Buddhist want to clarify if I'm even in the ballpark?

[brew]

I'll pretend that was an applogy to the religous ones on the board :P Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion, but let me ask you one thing, what caused the big bang and evolution? I'm not uber religous, evolution is obvious, but I definately feel that there is some sort a greater force behind all that.

Catholics believe in evolution? I thought they didn't. Which is the religion that doesn't believe in evolution?

[mtnbound]

You're right, I was being a little bit harsh. I'm always quick to piss off religious people because I personally think its all total rubbish, and I have never been able to debate it with anyone who could hold up their side of the argument. In my eyes, you can't possibly have any common sense and believe in any major religion. Ofcourse these are my views, and you can feel free to believe whatever will let you sleep at night. Religion is just an excuse to explain things that people dont yet understand. Catholics used to swear up and down that the earth was the center of the universe, and would even kill to uphold their belief, until science proved them wrong and the church had to shut its mouth. I believe that as science answers more questions, religion will slowly fade away (as has been going on for the last few hundred years.) What do you think would happen to religion if tomorrow scientists had cold, hard, undeniable proof of evolution and the big bang? Sorry for my rant, maybe I'm just an 18 year old that doesn't want to buy BS just because white guys in robes say so.

Keep in mind that religion is largely based on *faith.* For those that can't or aren't open to putting faith into a belief system, organized religion isn't for them.

BTW, Galileo's initial research was extremely supported by the Catholic church, though most scientists of the time that subscribed to Aristotle's theories were against Galileo. In fact, the Jesuit order was one of the first to confirm his early theories and the Pope had granted him full support. However, Galileo was plainly an a-hole. Among many things, he insisted that the planets rotated in perfect circles. The Jesuit astronomers noted that the rotations were not perfect circles, but he "swore up and down" that heliocentrism (I think that's what it was called) was absolute. In a nutshell, he began to pick fights with the Church - handing anti-scripture pamphlets out wherever he went. It was at that point, that the Church began to tear into him and his work.

[tim g]

Which is the religion that doesn't believe in evolution?

The wrong one. :lmao: Sorry I just cant help it, buahahaha.

[Nay330Ci]

how the hell is fish not meat?

silly catholics..

[tim g]

Keep in mind that religion is largely based on *faith.* For those that can't or aren't open to putting faith into a belief system, organized religion isn't for them.

BTW, Galileo's initial research was extremely supported by the Catholic church, though most scientists of the time that subscribed to Aristotle's theories were against Galileo. In fact, the Jesuit order was one of the first to confirm his early theories and the Pope had granted him full support. However, Galileo was plainly an a-hole. Among many things, he insisted that the planets rotated in perfect circles. The Jesuit astronomers noted that the rotations were not perfect circles, but he "swore up and down" that heliocentrism (I think that's what it was called) was absolute. In a nutshell, he began to pick fights with the Church - handing anti-scripture pamphlets out wherever he went. It was at that point, that the Church began to tear into him and his work.

Thanks, I didn't know alot of that. I'm starting to think that the biggest problem with catholicism is the church itself. It seems like the church has been manipulating the religion to better suit itself.

[B]

chicken is a bird? :eeps:

[kmorris_330]

Catholics believe in evolution? I thought they didn't. Which is the religion that doesn't believe in evolution? Maybe I'm a new age Catholic...hmmm

[Unveiled]

chicken is a bird? :eeps:

So are most women!!!

[SpAcEmAn SpLiFF]

i have catholic friends and they gave up meat for lent and they eat seafood too. i guess its not considered meat in the catholic sense (it definately is in the biological sense though)

[kmorris_330]

Thanks, I didn't know alot of that. I'm starting to think that the biggest problem with catholicism is the church itself. It seems like the church has been manipulating the religion to better suit itself. Most christian denominations do exactly that. I don't know about non-christian relgions though.

[Gadgets]

All this talking about fish & meat made me hungry !!

I want a fillet sea bass or mahi-mahi grilled & blackened!!

:drool:

[mach330]

here's some more explanation..

http://www.kencollins.com/question-38.htm

"...In those days, meat was a luxury food. You either had to buy it in a market or you had to own enough land to keep cattle. On the other hand, anyone could grow vegetables or forage for them, and anyone could catch a fish in a lake or a stream. You could buy better fish and vegetables, but the point is that you could eat without money if you were poor. So meat was rich people's food and fish was poor people's food. That is why the most common form of fasting was to omit meat and eat fish...."

[Nay330Ci]

Thanks, I didn't know alot of that. I'm starting to think that the biggest problem with catholicism is the church itself. It seems like the church has been manipulating the religion to better suit itself.
just about all religons do that.

i find it all silly.

but hey, if people all across the world want to believe in something fake and fabricated by old men of days past, let them.

hell, if they believe that, believe that i used my powers to walk through the wall of a bank safe and get enough money to buy the SLR mclaren i'm sitting in right now retrofitted with a laptop as i drive to the playboy mansion for my late afternoon massage.

[cigarfanatic]

just about all religons do that.

i find it all silly.

but hey, if people all across the world want to believe in something fake and fabricated by old men of days past, let them.

hell, if they believe that, believe that i used my powers to walk through the wall of a bank safe and get enough money to buy the SLR mclaren i'm sitting in right now retrofitted with a laptop as i drive to the playboy mansion for my late afternoon massage.


Wow, you sound very very ignorant. Stop now before you make yourself seem more like an ignorant dumbfukk

[benzfreak]

Ok little kids. Time for a lesson on Catholics.


1.Catholics believe that in lent we should give up something that we always eat or do as a sacrafice. And on Fridays we can't eat meat. The reason for that is given before in the other posts, because of the rich and luxuries thing that the guys before me said.

2. Catholics do not believe that everyone who is not catholic will go to hell. Sorry, that is wrong.

3. The Catholic church says nothing on the big bang theory. Why? Because we believe that even if the big bang theory is true and we evolved from monkeys yad yada yad, God is the one who started it, and he is the one that made the world this way. There is nothing wrong with believing that God wanted us to evolve from monkeys, but when we changed from monkeys to man, there was a clear distinction. Hence Adam & Eve.

Thank You

[Nay330Ci]

Wow, you sound very very ignorant. Stop now before you make yourself seem more like an ignorant dumbfukk****. i'm voicing my opinion.

i have grown up in a very religious family, taken many philosphy and religion courses going into the creation and foundation of religon, comparing the differences and similarities of the many religons across the world and i have made an opinion of what i think. how does that make me ignorant? i think you're the 'dumbfukk' for even posting anything. get the fck outta here callin me ignorant

[MFarrZHP]

Ok little kids. Time for a lesson on Catholics.


1.Catholics believe that in lent we should give up something that we always eat or do as a sacrafice. And on Fridays we can't eat meat. The reason for that is given before in the other posts, because of the rich and luxuries thing that the guys before me said.

2. Catholics do not believe that everyone who is not catholic will go to hell. Sorry, that is wrong.

3. The Catholic church says nothing on the big bang theory. Why? Because we believe that even if the big bang theory is true and we evolved from monkeys yad yada yad, God is the one who started it, and he is the one that made the world this way. There is nothing wrong with believing that God wanted us to evolve from monkeys, but when we changed from monkeys to man, there was a clear distinction. Hence Adam & Eve.

Thank You

1) Catholicism used to be way more strict in enforcing its views and rules. As technology and science has increased and disproved many of its "laws", they have become more flexible and vague.

2) Doesnt Catholicism say that you will go to heaven only if you accept Christ in your life?

3) I thought Catholicism said the world was created in 7 days and the catholic version of the beginning of time is way younger than what modern scientists predict. Also, we didnt evolve from monkeys, and evolution wasnt overnight. Our progress goes back to H0M0 Erectus, H0m0 Hablis, etc., they werent "monkeys". Science also proves that humans go back way before the supposed "Adam and Eve"


Im not trying to start a debate as I am not extremely versed in Catholicism, but I do know certain facts that dispute many Catholic beliefs.

[benzfreak]

3) I thought Catholicism said the world was created in 7 days and the catholic version of the beginning of time is way younger than what modern scientists predict. Also, we didnt evolve from monkeys, and evolution wasnt overnight. Our progress goes back to **** Erectus, Home Hablis, etc., they werent "monkeys". Science also proves that humans go back way before the supposed "Adam and Eve"


Im not trying to start a debate as I am not extremely versed in Catholicism, but I do know certain facts that dispute many Catholic beliefs.


The stuff written in genesis is not supposed to be taken word for word. In the beginning of time there was no days, because God just started creating the universe. 7 days is supposed to mean 7 phases.

[cigarfanatic]

but hey, if people all across the world want to believe in something fake and fabricated by old men of days past, let them.

hell, if they believe that, believe that i used my powers to walk through the wall of a bank safe and get enough money to buy the SLR mclaren i'm sitting in right now retrofitted with a laptop as i drive to the playboy mansion for my late afternoon massage.


Sounds like an ignorant, dumbfukk type of comment to me :dunno:

Everyone across the world wants to believe in something fake? You just called out millions of people. Millions of people > you.

You are nothing.

You better start believing in your powers!
:lmao:

[cigarfanatic]

i have grown up in a very religious family, taken many philosphy and religion courses going into the creation and foundation of religon, comparing the differences and similarities of the many religons across the world and i have made an opinion of what i think.


Says you, religious expert, says you :lmao: I apologize, I meant religious professor :bow:

[benzfreak]

In the Bible it says that God created creatures that lived in water, then animals, then humans. This is exactly what science says, that water creatures were here first, then animals, then us humans. Here is the passage.


20Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens."


21God created (K)the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.


22God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."


23There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.


24(L)Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.


25God made the (M)beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.


26Then God said, "Let (N)Us make (O)man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them (P)rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

[Nay330Ci]

Sounds like an ignorant, dumbfukk type of comment to me :dunno:

Everyone across the world wants to believe in something fake? You just called out millions of people. Millions of people > you.

You are nothing.

You better start believing in your powers!
:lmao:
religon is nothing. the fact that a lot of believe in it doesnt make it true. it has not been proven and never will be. people are just following what they have been told, not getting out there and getting the information for themselves and forming their own decisions about it. but since no one cares about making informed desicions nowdays, u just keep on beliveing in what your priests tell you after they finish up molesting the neighborhood kids and i'll continue walking thorugh walls.

[MFarrZHP]

The stuff written in genesis is not supposed to be taken word for word. In the beginning of time there was no days, because God just started creating the universe. 7 days is supposed to mean 7 phases.

That makes more sense, it just seems weird that so much is not to be taken literally now. Like I said, I do believe in God, but I have problems with some organized religions. I think they are great though especially to give people hope and direction, as long as people dont take it to the extreme (suicide bomber type).

All this from is fish meat? :dunno:

[VaderDave]

****. i'm voicing my opinion.

i have grown up in a very religious family, taken many philosphy and religion courses going into the creation and foundation of religon, comparing the differences and similarities of the many religons across the world and i have made an opinion of what i think. how does that make me ignorant? i think you're the 'dumbfukk' for even posting anything. get the fck outta here callin me ignorant

No--please continue. Voicing opinions is what this site is about, IMHO. I would like to hear why you have developed your opinion. Maybe it's a topic for the Political Forum.

[cigarfanatic]

religon is nothing. the fact that a lot of believe in it doesnt make it true. it has not been proven and never will be. people are just following what they have been told, not getting out there and getting the information for themselves and forming their own decisions about it. but since no one cares about making informed desicions nowdays, u just keep on beliveing in what your priests tell you after they finish up molesting the neighborhood kids and i'll continue walking thorugh walls.


Vaderdave he just expressed it.

This is what i got from him:
Religion is nothing.
People can't make their own decisions.
He walks through walls.

[VaderDave]

Vaderdave he just expressed it.

This is what i got from him:
Religion is nothing.
People can't make their own decisions.
He walks through walls.

Yeah, those are his conclusions, but what's the reasoning behind them?

[Malachi]

Actually, besides your horrendous grammar, your lack of factual information shows that you're actually not the bright one.

Fish is not meat, nor is poultry. FDA and USDA both define meat as flesh derived from cattle, sheep, swine, goats, horses, mules, and other equines. Hence, there are different regulations around meat, poultry, and fish. Typically, what is defined as meat is flesh from mammals.
We're getting our definitions from the FDA now? :rolleyes:

[Nay330Ci]

religions were oringially started to explain concepts that people didnt understand. and it is because of tradition, fear, hope and belief that we continue to accept religion instead of looking upon updated understanding provided by science/technology and common sense.

i'll write up a lenghty post discussing this later on tonight.

and dude, enough of this back and forth sht- we dont no e-beef on a thread originally about fish.

i havent done a search on any threads about religion, but if there is one lets move this discussion there (or someone should a new thread about it) i'll supply some facts for what i'm saying later on and i welcome everyones opinion.

[ininfinitum]

Guyz - hold your horses... you may or may not think that fish is meat or even a vegetable - buttom line is that he's talking about the religious concept - and from the religious point of view (catholic, jewish, muslim & more) fish is NOT meat.

Not that i'm religious...
Buddhism and Jainism believes fish is meat..

[tim g]

BigNay, you read all my posts? We should write up a new bible lol.

[ininfinitum]

Vaderdave he just expressed it.

This is what i got from him:
Religion is nothing.
People can't make their own decisions.
He walks through walls.
You gotta relax, man. You seem very fervent about your religion, and that's great. But you're also a little too defensive about it.

[Nay330Ci]

BigNay, you read all my posts? We should write up a new bible lol.
i just went back and read 'em. i think we're on the same track.
even tho religious groups defend their beliefs through mockery, fear, inconsideration, and egotism towards non-religious thoughts- the only way to get through to them is through considerate facts (which they seem to lack)

i think you should start a thread and put in all this info for how religion might be wrong/false and i would be happy to supply information. (i'd do it myself but im constantly up and about and cant sit down for a good half-hour- at work)

[dronell19]

Bignay - you have a valid point, but you don't call religions and/or people who believe them... what was the word you used, silly? Too lazy to go back and find out what your exact words are :P That's just not nice. There are other less-offensive words to describe what you think other than 'silly'. My $0.02

[Nay330Ci]

Bignay - you have a valid point, but you don't call religions and/or people who believe them... what was the word you used, silly? Too lazy to go back and find out what your exact words are :P That's just not nice. There are other less-offensive words to describe what you think other than 'silly'. My $0.02
i guess i should have said 'confused' or 'misdirected' :P

[dronell19]

Yeah, that sounds nicer :D

[James330I]

i think you should start a thread and put in all this info for how religion might be wrong/false and i would be happy to supply information. (i'd do it myself but im constantly up and about and cant sit down for a good half-hour- at work)

just for kicks...who created us? Who created the creators of our creators? Even further, what created the events that led up to the creation of our creators' creators?

Until someone out there can accurately answer this question, I will continue to believe in a higher power.

Isn't it true that as science gets more and more advanced, more scientists are starting to realize that some "unexplained force" had a hand in starting the chain of events that led to the creation of humans and the universe (because of the precision and millions of key events that happened in order for the universe to form)?? This was from a pretty good article I read in Time magazine

[MFarrZHP]

just for kicks...who created us? Who created the creators of our creators? Even further, what created the events that led up to the creation of our creators' creators?

Until someone out there can accurately answer this question, I will continue to believe in a higher power.

Isn't it true that as science gets more and more advanced, more scientists are starting to realize that some "unexplained force" had a hand in starting the chain of events that led to the creation of humans and the universe (because of the precision and millions of key events that happened in order for the universe to form)?? This was from a pretty good article I read in Time magazine

I have no doubt that there is a higher power (God). But I dont think any of the current religions are completely accurate. Since the beginning of recorded history, people have used religion to explain the unexplainable. Greeks with their Gods, Romans with theirs. Obviously we know now that Zeus is not the God of Lightning or Thunder or whatever. Contemporary religions are set up the same way, although most based on ancient books written by men, not Gods. Dont confuse people not believing in your religion to Atheists, because most people are not. I just dont let some ancient book written by disciples tell me what I can eat on friday or who I can or can't have sex with before marriage. I carry myself in a good manner and treat others as I would like to be treated, I believe I will be rewarded in the end by some higher being because of this.

PS: Maybe this should go to political or other religious thread.