Predator Chromium vs. Titanium Edition: Why we chose to only sell one

[Jlevi SW]

I am often asked "Why did you guys switch from Titanium Edition to Predator Chromium? Where the heck did Predator Chromium come from?"

Well, (and I'm sure other people in the business will be unhappy about this) I'm going to speak my mind and tell you all my somewhat professional opinion.

Predator Chromium touts the following features over Titanium Edition
-Less ring failures
-Better aesthetics with thinner rings and nicer notches... which leads me to...
-Better light dispersion... no "dead spots"
-Better color - no 8000K ugliness, just pure 6000K color
-**LESS BULKY**... therefore...
-MUCH EASIER to install... as well as...
-No chance of breaking with autoleveling - they are thinner
-Better CLIPS! Pressure fit, only one notch necessary... easier to put on...
-Lighter - less chance of rocking around and breaking
-**BETTER LIGHT DISPERSION!** Because of the TRUE chromed backing
-Better wiring, cleaner, more predictable
-Rings can be removed and replaced - no need for a whole new ring if something goes wrong
-Clips can be removed - so we stock one kit for E36, E38, E39, etc etc... very handy


My problems with Titanium Edition are as follows:
-**Light dispersion is TERRIBLE**
-**Rings are bulky**
-Hard to install because of bulkiness
-Heavy, they swing around
-The "titanium" backing is just spraypainted silver... and it peels off...
-The rings are glued to the back. It's messy. And if one breaks, it doesn't come off. And then you can't swap colors
-The clips are crap. Sorry, but they are. Too bulky, again.


And there you have it. And now for the pics...

Chromium looks great, huh?

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/IMG_4194.sized.jpg

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/IMG_4192.sized.jpg

But look at these attachments of Titanium... don't look too full, do they?

And look at the NICE backings on the chromium?

Anyways, I don't mean to slanderize, but I had to speak my mind. I'm tired of people asking why I don't carry the "nice" demon eyes...

Thanks guys
JL

[Cobra]

umnitza told before that the predator is brighter, i was gonna go with predator anyway. this just makes me feel better about my choice http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/bluehappy.gif

[dasblack]

Nice post, but what is wrong w/ the 8000k chromiums compared to 6000k?

[jacobo]

Are the predator chromiums from a manufacturer in San Marcos, CA, or is that a different manufacturer? Or do you know? Just wondering.

[Jlevi SW]

Chromium is made overseas, and in my opinion, this makes them BETTER (yes, better).

Titanium Edition is made in San Marcos. I know the people who make them, so I won't say too much, but I am NOT impressed with the quality anymore...
JL

[skylor318]

I like my titaniums but I agree that they do have some dead spots at certain angles that is only noticeable during the day. I haven't noticed any of the other problems mentioned though. My question is why not use the titanium rings with a chrome backing? I know if that was available it would have been my first choice.

[m3on20z]

Are the Chromium rings for the X5 (2002) re-shaped? So the highbeam ring actually goes around the whole circle, instead of stopping 3/4 of the way down?

And sorry to go offtopic, but I went on your site, and was trying to find replacement HID 9006 bulbs, but couldn't find them? Thanks bro. :)

[Jlevi SW]

The problem with the Titanium Edition is not the backing, like we thought.
It's the wierd shape of the notches in the front. They are SUPPOSED to reduce glare, but they actually just cut off the light and therefore make the rings difficult to see from certain angles.

[skylor318]

The problem with the Titanium Edition is not the backing, like we thought.
It's the wierd shape of the notches in the front. They are SUPPOSED to reduce glare, but they actually just cut off the light and therefore make the rings difficult to see from certain angles.

Okay, I always thought it was the backing as well. Thanks for the clarification. :thumbsup:

[jacobo]

Chromium is made overseas, and in my opinion, this makes them BETTER (yes, better).

Titanium Edition is made in San Marcos. I know the people who make them, so I won't say too much, but I am NOT impressed with the quality anymore...
JL

Thanks for the infor, JLevi. That sucks, though, because San Marcos is only about 10 minutes East on the 78, and I wouldn't have minded dropping by there. Oh well....

[BanMdrWew]

very helpful post.

[M3J0N]

how much are these?

[maine325xi]

do most people upgrade stock xenons to 6000k when they do this? If not will it still look decent?

[dasblack]

Anyone have the 8000k chromiums?

[Tutankhamon]

Wow FINALLY, somebody out there willing to give a good comparison and cut through the crap.
I ended up choosing chromiums so this makes me feel better about my decision as well. I went with the 4300K since I didn't want to change my stock xenons (i love the way they look now), I just hope that when they come in, they look as good as the 6000K.
On that note, does anybody have a pic of the 4300K chromiums?
Thanks :thumbup:

[TravsM3]

:werd: big up to jlevi

[JCsE46]

Hey Jon,
It has been long since I ordered some from you. Can I just order the predator chromium ring without the wire harness? If so, please pm'ed me. Thanks.

[330 HRE]

Just wondering what difference it makes if you make stuff in the US or in overseas aka taiwan or so. Why are 6k in the rings better than 8k? I see some of your points and agree with you but some points I am like :dunno: .

[koven]

i would have gotten these over the titaniums if they came in 8000k :dunno:

[russ330]

Damn, you're really going out on a ledge with this one Jon. :eek: I hope this doesn't come back around and damage any business relationships, as it seemed to me that no vendor was going to do a heads up comparison of the two products. Best of luck to you. :)

As for those who are asking which is better, 6000K, 8000K, etc., it's simply referring to the color.

[love2drive330CI]

JLevi, when will you have the predator chromium in stock for my 330ci ?

2. so from the install the predator chromium can be turned on and off or are they always on when vehicle on? or is this a separate switch

3. Can anyone show me a pic of these on OEM regular(I KNOW) halogen lights? (both with headlights on and off)
Thanks.

[dasblack]

^Hey, im getting 8000k chromium w/ my halogens. I'll post pics if you would like.

[love2drive330CI]

Dasblack, which ones are you purchasing specifically? when will you have them. I'd like to check out your install to know how to do mine.
I can come over to CC to check them out in person. I wanted to order them today, but JLevi is out of stock.(so as not to hijack thread-read message in our local region to hook up)

seems the predator's are outweighing the titaniums but I see other vendors that include shipping so the cost varies.

[GHoStRidEr4450]

Hey Jon,
It has been long since I ordered some from you. Can I just order the predator chromium ring without the wire harness? If so, please pm'ed me. Thanks.


^^^^ Yeah, If you have one of the newer wiring harnesses, can you just get the new rings and backs and skip the wiring harness? :hmm:

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

I couldn't agree more. There is a reason (besides my Jlevi SW sponsorship) that I went with Chromiums. I actually had the choice when was upgrading my halos to go with the Titaniums or Chromiums and I chose the Chromiums.

[Jlevi SW]

First off, I want to express my apreciation for all your support, guys. No wonder I'm more devoted to my customer base than my fellow suppliers, huh?

OK Let's see if I can answer all these questions:

jacobo - Shipping is $11 from us. It's worth it, trust me ;)

M3J0N - They are $149 + Shipping. Remote kit and lifetime warranty are included FREE.

maine325xi - Some people do and some people don't. Many people find that it's nice to have contrast, so that when your OEM Xenons are on, you still can see the halos. This is like the 5 series, where they have yellow/orange Angel Eyes and pure white headlights. Others will go with a 6000K Conversion. Preference, really, but the changing of one certainly does NOT necessitate the changing of another ;)

dasblack - I am wondering why you are hung up on 8000K - you realize, of course, that Kelvin scale does NOT denote brightness, but color, right? 8000K is too blue/green for me - hence we prefer the 6000K Predators.

JCsE46 - For you, certainly. Email me.

330 HRE - It is my experience that products like this increase in quality when made in Taiwan, China, Japan, etc. Why is this? The cost of making an injection mold here is, to my understanding, between $2,000 and $10,000 - Therefore, products like the Titanium Edition use fewer pieces - a backing plate, a front cover, and one large clip truss bar. Overseas, however, the tools of production and cheap labor resources enable manufacturers to make many molds, for much cheaper. Thus, they are willing to make smaller, more detailed parts that would cost an arm and a leg to make here. Smaller, more precise backing plates that lock nicely into the front covers, individual clips that are easily removed (instead of glued on) - you get the idea. If you've seen the way the Titanium Editions are made, the tolerance is not very precise, which causes the backing plates to fall off. I did a couple installs where the rings separated and was very displeased to have to re-open the headlights and fix the rings. With the Chromium, the notches are precise and fit better. It's really a matter of resources - to make a product like chromium in the U.S. would cost twice as much. Just the chroming process would cost $15 MORE in the US... imagine making the molds...

love2drive330CI - Approximately one week from today we will have another 50 in stock.


Thanks again guys
JL

[Jlevi SW]

The chromiums use a 3 prong connector, but luckily I can supply you guys with a conversion to 2prong if you want to use your original phosphyre ballasts. It's NOT as safe as the 3prongs, but if you want to do it that's your prerogative.

I will start selling ring upgrades for probably $80+ shipping. The only thing is what on EARTH do I do with the ballasts and the harnesses :cry:

Thanks all
JL

[Tutankhamon]

uh oh.... why do i get the feeling that i should have gone with 6000K instead of 4300K anybody have pics of the latter?

[e46rokkett]

i dont agree. look at this pic of the titanium dde from bmerblvd. To me that looks pretty bright anf good :dunno: Or is this a newer improved version of the titanium dde out???

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

i dont agree. look at this pic of the titanium dde from bmerblvd. To me that looks pretty bright anf good :dunno: Or is this a newer improved version of the titanium dde out???
Pictures are very deceiving. It is true from CERTAIN ANGLES the titaniums are bright. But from the side and any other view other than straight on, they look blotchy.

[koven]

such hate on the titaniums..

[Mike Benvo]

I'd like Tom (bimmerblvd) to respond here...

I just bought the Titanium DDE's from him. Brightness and lack of dead spots is real good, but I had to glue the inner ones in because they didnt fit well.

[Jlevi SW]

I agree, and BMWERKEN is right - the TE are designed to look GREAT from the front. From any angle, though, they look like LEDs...

koven - no hate, I am just expressing my professional opinion, which brings me to...

Mike Benvo - I don't want to insult Tom but I am speaking on over 2 years of experience. My car was the 2nd or 3rd car ever to have Cold Cathode Technology used in the headlights... I've been around the block, man, and experience is the best teacher.

I don't mind other vendors selling TE at a lower price than I sell Chromium for - it's a lower quality product. The only reason they should charge more is to cover the time they will inevitably spend answering emails ("Why did my backing plate fall off? Why Can't I see my halos from the side?") and most likely sending out new parts (when rings fall apart)... My customer base is usually the people who prefer quality and are willing to pay a little more for less headache...

On that note, Mike, I will ship your Chromiums out next week when the new shipment comes in. I would greatly apreciate if you could post an unbiased review/comparison. When I'm wrong I will admit it but as you can imagine it took a lot of certainty to publicly post this thread.

JL

[e46rokkett]

[QUOTE=Mike Benvo]I'd like Tom (bimmerblvd) to respond here...

:werd: PPl are getting converned here..

[Mike Benvo]

Mike Benvo - I don't want to insult Tom but I am speaking on over 2 years of experience. My car was the 2nd or 3rd car ever to have Cold Cathode Technology used in the headlights... I've been around the block, man, and experience is the best teacher.
:thumbsup: Sounds good. I will definitly do that.

[russ330]

:werd: PPl are getting converned here..
...:confused:...not to sound like a di<pt**** or anything, but, say what!?? :hmm:

[ad3998]

Great info. JLevi! I'm sold...

Can't wait to get them installed. :)

[jesus]

when you used to sell titaniums you used to defend them and deny everything you are now saying. WEird huh

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

when you used to sell titaniums you used to defend them and deny everything you are now saying. WEird huh
You will also realize that when he sold them the most current production version of the predator chromiums were not on the market. Hence he was defending the best product on the market at the time (titaniums). His point now is that since the newest version of the chromiums came out, he stopped selling titaniums because of the above reasons. :)

[minsoox1983]

if you think "Light dispersion is TERRIBLE" in the titanium, then you should do something for the customers who bought that item from you.

this makes me feel bad b/c when i purchased titanium from you at the full price you said this is the best in market ,, cannot be compared,, etc etc,, well,, i don't know,,

i thought you stopped to sell them because you had a problem with the supplier? i don't mean to be offended,,and i agree your service is very friendly.. but,, after i read this thread,,,, i got disappointed
:drool:

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

if you think "Light dispersion is TERRIBLE" in the titanium, then you should do something for the customers who bought that item from you.

this makes me feel bad b/c when i purchased titanium from you at the full price you said this is the best in market ,, cannot be compared,, etc etc,, well,, i don't know,,

i thought you stopped to sell them because you had a problem with the supplier? i don't mean to be offended,,and i agree your service is very friendly.. but,, after i read this thread,,,, i got disappointed
:drool:
Like I said above, at the time you purchased the titaniums were the best on the market. I could easily say that BMW is unfair when they sold me my car because they said it was the best performance sedan under 35 grand, when today they say the same thing about the E90. The conflict here is timing, the DDE market is constantly changing and in so you run into upgrading issues.

On the same note, if you had read his original post, Jlevi SW currently has a promotion in the works to upgrade old halos.

[JCsE46]

:werd: PPl are getting converned here..

...:confused:...not to sound like a di<pt**** or anything, but, say what!?? :hmm:


converned?!?!?!??????? :english:

[Jlevi SW]

For a "new guy", BMWERKEN has a LOT of right answers :bow:
For the record, he does answer on behalf of Jlevi SW now.

Minsoo - When I told you I, too, got screwed with Titanium Edition (I was told V2 would be better, it was maybe 10% better), I wasn't kidding. We were both put into a bad situation, and here it was:
-You ordered halos
-It took 3 weeks for the makers of titanium edition to "revise" the halos - my shipment was 3 weeks late
-We felt terrible for delaying your order, and offered you a few other products at our cost to make up for it. I think it was D2S and remote kit?
-We had basically no prospect, and we didn't know where the next DDE kit would come out from. Predator was just a thought in our minds.

Now that we have predator, I will GLADLY upgrade you for a discounted price we can negotiate over email. I apreciate your kind words and understanding, as we, too, got the short end of the stick with Titanium Edition V2.
Despite the fact that it would make us look bad for ever carrying a product, I had to come forth and apologize/explain.

While I have your attention, though (you didn't reply to the last email?) - The free remote kit we sent out as compensation has come back TWICE. Today was the second time they returned it, with a second label saying "UNDELIVERABLE." I am happy to send it again, but please give me a new address ;)

Thanks for your understanding!
JL

[dronell19]

So J, are you saying these rings can or cannot work with the DDE Lightning ballasts? How is it... "not as safe"?

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

So J, are you saying these rings can or cannot work with the DDE Lightning ballasts? How is it... "not as safe"?
The old ballasts had a two prong connector where as the new ones include a three prong connector. We are now working on a promotion to sell a convertor from two prong to three prong with new rings. However, we do not guarantee the safety of the connector as far as shorts or other malfunctions go. The kit was not designed in such a manner and in so doing we cannot guarantee their longetivity.

[Jlevi SW]

Bingo. We can get you 2pronged converters for the chromium rings, but the best thing is to buy new rings AND ballasts. Then again, that's $20 more. You can always buy the converter, but there is NO guarantee on the rings not arcing.
After all, we designed the new Chromium with 3 prongs (one in the middle that is empty) for a reason..
JL

[minsoox1983]

For a "new guy", BMWERKEN has a LOT of right answers :bow:
For the record, he does answer on behalf of Jlevi SW now.

Minsoo - When I told you I, too, got screwed with Titanium Edition (I was told V2 would be better, it was maybe 10% better), I wasn't kidding. We were both put into a bad situation, and here it was:
-You ordered halos
-It took 3 weeks for the makers of titanium edition to "revise" the halos - my shipment was 3 weeks late
-We felt terrible for delaying your order, and offered you a few other products at our cost to make up for it. I think it was D2S and remote kit?
-We had basically no prospect, and we didn't know where the next DDE kit would come out from. Predator was just a thought in our minds.

Now that we have predator, I will GLADLY upgrade you for a discounted price we can negotiate over email. I apreciate your kind words and understanding, as we, too, got the short end of the stick with Titanium Edition V2.
Despite the fact that it would make us look bad for ever carrying a product, I had to come forth and apologize/explain.

While I have your attention, though (you didn't reply to the last email?) - The free remote kit we sent out as compensation has come back TWICE. Today was the second time they returned it, with a second label saying "UNDELIVERABLE." I am happy to send it again, but please give me a new address ;)

Thanks for your understanding!
JL


thnks for the clarification.. email sent,, :)

[Jlevi SW]

Let's get down to the nitty gritty on this:

[dronell19]

Sure looks good, J.

[Jlevi SW]

New TableTop tripod from USAPhotoNation.com - definately recommended for taking closeup shots of products :)
JL

[LWRNCE]

I agree with Jlevi about the titaniums..

my old titaniums
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/LWRNCE/3c816439.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/LWRNCE/f7817f3f.jpg

compared to my chromiums

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/LWRNCE/880ca31f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/LWRNCE/c042d841.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/LWRNCE/bb2cb95e.jpg



Titaniums equal Deadspots which is created due to their bulkiness. They only look good when you are looking at them at eye level.

Chromiums are the same concept but taken to another level. Fullness throughout the rings/bright as hell and not bulky.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

I agree with Jlevi about the titaniums..
Titaniums equal Deadspots which is created due to their bulkiness. They only look good when you are looking at them at eye level.

Chromiums are the same concept but taken to another level. Fullness throughout the rings/bright as hell and not bulky.
Glad you like them, that really exhibits how well the chromiums look from all angles :thumbup:

[Jlevi SW]

Again, GREAT pictures LWRNCE, thank you.
Also, nice SL :)
JL

[umnitza]

Again, GREAT pictures LWRNCE, thank you.
Also, nice SL :)
JL
hey, I took those;)

[love2drive330CI]

JLevi,

If I order tonight the pred's tonight, when will they be shipped and how many days for shipping ?

[m3on20z]

Are the Chromium rings for the X5 (2002) re-shaped? So the highbeam ring actually goes around the whole circle, instead of stopping 3/4 of the way down?

And sorry to go offtopic, but I went on your site, and was trying to find replacement HID 9006 bulbs, but couldn't find them? Thanks bro. :)

:bump:?

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

JLevi,

If I order tonight the pred's tonight, when will they be shipped and how many days for shipping ?
The predators will be in on Friday which means they will be shipped out either Saturday or at the latest Monday. Depending on what shipping selection you choose, it can get there in 2-3 days or a week.

[umnitza]

to help Jon,
the X5 rings are NOT resized unless you go with the Predator ThinLine. Jon has those as well:) Please contact him.

[KillFox]

Seriously.... Why did we get charged $350 for inferior quality rings that were supposed to be perfect and all that.... If there was a superior quality kit on the market for half the cost? I think its ridiculous that i dropped the extra $200 or so , had to wait a month, and only to find a "superior" product sold by you guys 2 weeks later...

Oh well. I guess DDEs are as bad as cars in depreciation huh... As for all the problems you say Titaniums have, the 2nd design of the V2s are flawless.... I dont have any of the problems you describe.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Seriously.... Why did we get charged $350 for inferior quality rings that were supposed to be perfect and all that.... If there was a superior quality kit on the market for half the cost? I think its ridiculous that i dropped the extra $200 or so , had to wait a month, and only to find a "superior" product sold by you guys 2 weeks later...

Oh well. I guess DDEs are as bad as cars in depreciation huh... As for all the problems you say Titaniums have, the 2nd design of the V2s are flawless.... I dont have any of the problems you describe.
That's the way markets in general operate. As products get older, they undergo improvements as well as price drops. Take the Motorola Razr, when they first came out they were in the 700 dollar range (WITH A PLAN!). Now you can almost get them for free and in addition they have undergone some software changes to make them a bit smoother in operation. My point is that it's a game of economics and how the consumer reacts to new products. There is a reason we put that high of a price on the product, because at the time there was a demand at such a price and the fact that it was the most superior product at the time. As we experienced more issues and understood better ways to implement the same end product, we made relevant changes and improved the system.

In any case I understand your frustration as I too bought the expensive DDE's back in the day!

[Jlevi SW]

We have a major backup on Chromium, so if you order tonight we'll probably get them out around Monday or Tuesday. Nick is going to Hawaii so we'll be slowed up a little bit ;)

KillFox - I don't know wher eyou paid $350 2 weeks ago, but I was referring to the kits available over a YEAR ago. The prices have slowly and steadily dropped (except for when they cut $150 off the price of Titanium and my own suppliers told me "that's just how it is, sell your remaining stock at cost" :rolleyes: ) In general, though, BMWERKEN is right. You pay a premium to be the first or have the latest greatest. A 1Ghz computer was wayy expensive 2 years ago. Now those are used as tax-deductible donations to 2nd graders. It's basic Economics, and just because The demon eye retailers don't have 1000 locations across the country or a guy who says "Dude, you're getting demon eyes" on cable TV does not mean that our businesses models don't apply basic economic theories.

JL

[niL]

i complained about those problems on the titanium edition, and all the vendors supported me and told me it was supposed to look like that? then a fix came out for it, which improved it. but now your bashing your old product which was the best at once :( your making me fell bad inside for buying the titanium edition now.

[KillFox]

We have a major backup on Chromium, so if you order tonight we'll probably get them out around Monday or Tuesday. Nick is going to Hawaii so we'll be slowed up a little bit ;)

KillFox - I don't know wher eyou paid $350 2 weeks ago, but I was referring to the kits available over a YEAR ago. The prices have slowly and steadily dropped (except for when they cut $150 off the price of Titanium and my own suppliers told me "that's just how it is, sell your remaining stock at cost" :rolleyes: ) In general, though, BMWERKEN is right. You pay a premium to be the first or have the latest greatest. A 1Ghz computer was wayy expensive 2 years ago. Now those are used as tax-deductible donations to 2nd graders. It's basic Economics, and just because The demon eye retailers don't have 1000 locations across the country or a guy who says "Dude, you're getting demon eyes" on cable TV does not mean that our businesses models don't apply basic economic theories.

JL


I wasnt saying its all some grand scheme by you guys or anything :loco: I am merely venting at the fact that A LOT of us dropped 350 or so a month before you guys switched over to the predator series, the same time all the xtec drama was happening. It was not 2 weeks ago, it was like a month or two ago; it was 2 weeks BEFORE release of predators by you guys.

Obviously supply and demand + economics apply to everything we buy, including DDEs. I wasnt disputing this.... I was just venting :evil: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Jlevi SW]

Understood, but I don't know who charged you $350. Titanium came out at 299 but we sold for I think $249 most of the time. I could be mistaken, though.

[Jlevi SW]

i complained about those problems on the titanium edition, and all the vendors supported me and told me it was supposed to look like that? then a fix came out for it, which improved it. but now your bashing your old product which was the best at once :( your making me fell bad inside for buying the titanium edition now.

Your input helped create the second version. Unfortunately, I was NOT satisfied with the fix, which is why we gave up hope on Titanium Edition. Like I said, they gave a 10-20% fix when a 70% overhaul was necessary. We are not saying we were in the right giving the product a second chance, but just trying to show that we have made a concious effort to offer top-quality products, despite past mistakes.

JL

[m3on20z]

Email Sent. :thumbup:

[Jlevi SW]

And replied to.
JL

[MR_GQ]

any more people that have installed this care to chime in with helpful tips on installing/advice on which to buy?

[Tutankhamon]

any more people that have installed this care to chime in with helpful tips on installing/advice on which to buy?
I just installed my chromiums. I created a thread of what I liked and disliked about it. Come to think of it, there wasn't that much to dislike. I'm SO glad I went with the chromiums, IMO they look amazing. Here's a link to my thread: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=279369

[Jlevi SW]

Great review, please check it out guys
JL

[DrkMnX]

M3J0N - They are $149 + Shipping. Remote kit and lifetime warranty are included FREE.

I want a set of these but howcome they are now $179.99 instead of the price mentioned above?

[DrkMnX]

Jlevi, how do we specify which version we want (4300k, 6000k, or 8000k)?

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Right now we only offer 6000k Halos.

This weekend only we are running a special upgrade on shipping, get FREE OVERNIGHT SHIPPING with any preorder of Predators. They will be in stock monday, and we will only honor this special this weekend.

[umnitza]

Right now we only offer 6000k Halos.

This weekend only we are running a special upgrade on shipping, get FREE OVERNIGHT SHIPPING with any preorder of Predators. They will be in stock monday, and we will only honor this special this weekend.
you will also be able to offer 8K and 4.5K as well.

[Jlevi SW]

Matt, Please call me about this. I'd like to know if we will be custom assembling 8K and 4.5K. If so, I'll be picking up the rings to do the transplants soon.

See you
JL

[sbyun07]

i live in S. korea and one of the shops i found
has these angel eyes.
it says that they are E46 CCLF Neon Angel Eye.
anyone know if these are either titanium's or chromium's or something different?

[umnitza]

i live in S. korea and one of the shops i found
has these angel eyes.
it says that they are E46 CCLF Neon Angel Eye.
anyone know if these are either titanium's or chromium's or something different?
Those have nothing in common with our product. Those are made by a knock off company. That company actually personally visited with us, looked at our product then knocked it off improperly. Don't buy it.

[kevmo]

another pic of the pred chroms for the ppl to see to make their decesion


these things are EFFIN' BRIGHT...

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Is that duct tape and where are the clips on the knockoffs?

[sbyun07]

thx for ur help.
i guess those look like they are duck tapes.
i haven't seen them for real, just off their website.
i already contacted the sales @ jlevi, & planning to get the pred chrom.



Those have nothing in common with our product. Those are made by a knock off company. That company actually personally visited with us, looked at our product then knocked it off improperly. Don't buy it.

[sbyun07]

can u tell me what kind of turn signal bulbs u have?
they look very nice...

another pic of the pred chroms for the ppl to see to make their decesion


these things are EFFIN' BRIGHT...

[Jlevi SW]

I think those are our LEDs, no? I cna't tell from the pic.
JL

[JCsE46]

yep, it seem those are Jlevi's LED's bulbs. You (sbyun07) should ordered those also since you're buying those Predator chromium with them. I have one just like it. :thumbsup:

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

yep, it seem those are Jlevi's LED's bulbs. You (sbyun07) should ordered those also since you're buying those Predator chromium with them. I have one just like it. :thumbsup:
Unfortunately we wont be getting those in until the end of August or early September :(

[umnitza]

Unfortunately we wont be getting those in until the end of August or early September :(
chromiums are in stock.

[mike greco]

chromiums look so sweet

[Jlevi SW]

chromiums look so sweet

Glad you like em :)
JL

[umnitza]

Glad you like em :)
JL
only a couple more days:)

[umnitza]

how's your stock? low huh, too many buyers:(
sigh:(;) :D

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

With that special we are running, 179.99, we can barely keep up!

[kevmo]

@ 130 they were a STEAL.. even at 180.. it's the one of the best cosmetic mods u can get!! turn heads EVERYWHERE!!!!

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

@ 130 they were a STEAL.. even at 180.. it's the one of the best cosmetic mods u can get!! turn heads EVERYWHERE!!!!
Glad you enjoy the product :)

[Jlevi SW]

how's your stock? low huh, too many buyers:(
sigh:(;) :D


:werd: We should reorder soon.
JL

[umnitza]

:werd: We should reorder soon.
JL
indeed.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

One other difference I noticed between the two is that the most popular selling version of the Titaniums come in 8000k, we exclusively sell our DDE's in 6000k.

That way you can match them with our LED Turn Signals as well as D2S Xenon bulbs. And for the ultimate setup, you can add 6000k HID Prolumen fog kits :)

[umnitza]

One other difference I noticed between the two is that the most popular selling version of the Titaniums come in 8000k, we exclusively sell our DDE's in 6000k.

That way you can match them with our LED Turn Signals as well as D2S Xenon bulbs. And for the ultimate setup, you can add 6000k HID Prolumen fog kits :)
More importantly, if you ever decide to change colors, it's easier to do so with Chromiums - say for a meet/event/show/gathering/SEMA;)

[spyder]

Like I said above, at the time you purchased the titaniums were the best on the market. I could easily say that BMW is unfair when they sold me my car because they said it was the best performance sedan under 35 grand, when today they say the same thing about the E90. The conflict here is timing, the DDE market is constantly changing and in so you run into upgrading issues.

On the same note, if you had read his original post, Jlevi SW currently has a promotion in the works to upgrade old halos.

Did you or did you not stop selling the titaniums because the supplier didn't allow you to sell any of their products such as xtec anymore because of some problem they had with you and Umnitza? Not trying to bash on you or anything, but i think the titaniums are great and know a lot of people who thinks the same. To me these predators sort of came out of the blue and doesnt look that good, leaving me and other people confused. I don't think its right for you to bash the titaniums just because you can't or because you choose not to sell them. Thier are other vendors who still sell the titaniums and think they are great. Again, not bashing on you. You are a cool guy Jlevi, I just wanted to clearify this and give my opinion.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Did you or did you not stop selling the titaniums because the supplier didn't allow you to sell any of their products such as xtec anymore because of some problem they had with you and Umnitza? Not trying to bash on you or anything, but i think the titaniums are great and know a lot of people who thinks the same. To me these predators sort of came out of the blue and doesnt look that good, leaving me and other people confused. I don't think its right for you to bash the titaniums just because you can't or because you choose not to sell them. Thier are other vendors who still sell the titaniums and think they are great. Again, not bashing on you. You are a cool guy Jlevi, I just wanted to clearify this and give my opinion.
Glad you gave your opinion! That's what this forum is all about.

However we are not bashing the titaniums, heck we used to sell them. We are simply showing that our newest product, Predator Chromiums, are an improvement on that technology. We believe they are the highest quality kit on the market it and sell it as so :)

[Jlevi SW]

Not only that, but at the time this thread came out people were constantly sending emails asking "why don't you sell the 'nice' demon eyes?" "Aren't titanium better? Why do you sell knockoffs" - this thread is a reply and an explanation.

To the best of my knowledge, our company was still allowed to purchase titanium DDE up until we started selling predator. Apexcone had spoken with me and told me to switch over, that their product was superior. Clearly I chose not to, and I am very glad I did. However, you are correct; I am sure if I attempted to go direct and purchase a set of titaniums, i would encounter some opposition. Nonetheless we could have them if we wanted them - there are some companies, as you guys can imagine, who will not turn away business. Not that we want them ;)
JL

[umnitza]

Glad you gave your opinion! That's what this forum is all about.

However we are not bashing the titaniums, heck we used to sell them. We are simply showing that our newest product, Predator Chromiums, are an improvement on that technology. We believe they are the highest quality kit on the market it and sell it as so :)
I disagree, if you don't mean to bash, then why say they "don't look as good and are out of the blue".

We believe in our product, nothing more needs to be said.

[BimmerDude18]

Having seen amny a DDE product and worked with quite a few, installing them etc, I think I can make my point short and simple.

I have not found a kit that justifies a large price difference over another one. The titaniums look great to me, in fact I recommend them to people simply because they cost less. When something costs less and is of (at least in my opinion it is) equal quality, then why not save the moeny.

Most people aren't going to open their headlights to change the ring colors, and new rings can be bought for less than most would think that have different colors and then there isn't a risk of them being broken because you have to take them apart and reassemble them.

I am honestly amazed about a few things that never happened, Apexcone was supposed to be releasing a new technology with heated rings etc. that would solve the cold startup issue months ago if I'm not mistaken, I never saw that happen. Umnitza offered everyone who bought their cheap DDE's a credit towards this new product, which from the appearance of the market right now, won't be available from him when, if it ever is released.

I won't say anymore because it would just be bashing at that point and that isn't my intention, but I have honestly seen a lot of bad or downright incorrect statements made, and although the chromiums are nice, I can't even possibly justify the $180 price tag when the titanium DDE's are so much less expensive.

[BimmaBwoy]

Hey jlevi and umnitza are you guys going to price match bimmerboulevard with their $120 price on the Chromiums??

[umnitza]

And from the standpoint of someone that never engineered anything your opinion is that of an informed consumer.

Not a single one of our customers, when seeing the two side by side, has chosen the Titanium, we think it's a good product and properly priced, but not on par with our offering.

When the new units are released, I'm sure that will exert downward pressure on all prices, but frankly, my retailer got tired of the constant need to upgrade.

We've been happy to hold Predator Chromiums in the high esteem without changing anything, just adding something here and there - dimmer, remote, etc.

Thanks for your insight, but often, pricing does determine quality - it does in this case.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

And that's the exact market we go for. We price the Predators as the more expensive and higher quality product. If you aren't willing to pay for quality, just as many would rather a replica ACS spoiler than the original, then by all means go for it. That's not the market we are interested. We provide the highest quality lighting solutions on the market and strive to continue this motto :)

[umnitza]

Hey jlevi and umnitza are you guys going to price match bimmerboulevard with their $120 price on the Chromiums??
No, because it's a bootleg and trademarked. I'm sure Tom will realize that in about 1 week when he has to hand over all his product to us:D

[Jlevi SW]

No, because it's a bootleg and trademarked. I'm sure Tom will realize that in about 1 week when he has to hand over all his product to us:D

Although I couldn't say it in his thread, I'll say it here - I do NOT suggest anyone pay Bimmerblvd, because you will end up with Titanium DDE. They don't seem to realize that there are legal rammifications to using OUR trademark with products he acquired from an illegitimate source. Not only that, but his kits do not have a remote, a lifetime warranty, or a 45 step install guide. Buy at your own risk, but know that may have to return the kit because of legal complications.
JL

[umnitza]

Although I couldn't say it in his thread, I'll say it here - I do NOT suggest anyone pay Bimmerblvd, because you will end up with Titanium DDE. They don't seem to realize that there are legal rammifications to using OUR trademark with products he acquired from an illegitimate source. Not only that, but his kits do not have a remote, a lifetime warranty, or a 45 step install guide. Buy at your own risk, but know that may have to return the kit because of legal complications.
JL
:thumbsup:

[BimmerDude18]

And that's the exact market we go for. We price the Predators as the more expensive and higher quality product. If you aren't willing to pay for quality, just as many would rather a replica ACS spoiler than the original, then by all means go for it. That's not the market we are interested. We provide the highest quality lighting solutions on the market and strive to continue this motto :)
Technically however, the TE DDE is the original and the chromiums the knock off. Bad example Nick ;).

I guess I see it this way, 91 octane will work in all of our cars fine stock. There is no need for 93, 94, 100, 104, or some other absurdly high octane fuel. You will not see more performance (in fact you might see less but ignore that for this example), you will just waste your money. My opinion is that the product works the same and carries a no questions asked warranty, I guess thats why I generally buy the cheaper of two parts when fitment or quality isn't really an issue (which I consider the quality on the TE DDE's to be fine, agian jsut my opinion).

I think it comes down to a couple of basic things here. Which vendor you want to buy from, and which look you prefer (ring thickness). Both products are good, neither has made a leap or bound over a previous generation - meaning less potential bugs with the product, and both are well established on the market.

That said, I don't actually have either product on my car, neither was available, but what I have more closely resembles the TE DDE than the chromium so that could be why I have the opinion that I do.

[umnitza]

Actually, no, Titanium is it's own build.

Neither of which are knock offs. You're very wrong on that one.

The Chromiums are the ones that most closely resemble the OEM size, coloring, and shimmer.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Technically however, the TE DDE is the original and the chromiums the knock off. Bad example Nick ;).

I guess I see it this way, 91 octane will work in all of our cars fine stock. There is no need for 93, 94, 100, 104, or some other absurdly high octane fuel. You will not see more performance (in fact you might see less but ignore that for this example), you will just waste your money. My opinion is that the product works the same and carries a no questions asked warranty, I guess thats why I generally buy the cheaper of two parts when fitment or quality isn't really an issue (which I consider the quality on the TE DDE's to be fine, agian jsut my opinion).

I think it comes down to a couple of basic things here. Which vendor you want to buy from, and which look you prefer (ring thickness). Both products are good, neither has made a leap or bound over a previous generation - meaning less potential bugs with the product, and both are well established on the market.

That said, I don't actually have either product on my car, neither was available, but what I have more closely resembles the TE DDE than the chromium so that could be why I have the opinion that I do.
Think you need to get your facts straight :)

[Jlevi SW]

Tyler how long were you guys in the industry again?
JL

[BimmerDude18]

First I will respond with, what facts did I get wrong, there were no technological leaps and I didn't really say anything else as fact other than the TE DDE was acceptable. Get over the fact that I have an opinion that says you don't need to buy the product you sell and should very seriously consider someone elses product. OH NO, you might lose a sale, eh gads the world is ending :rolleyes:

As far as how long I was in the industry, ~4 months, and the erason I stopped, well, mostly because it was taking too much of my time. I was making more money with the part time job I had perviously and I didn't have to worry about the owning your own business bullshit that is associated with that. But that is completely irrelevant, whether or not I sold something makes no difference on me having an opinion since I never sold either of these products. I was competing with the TE DDE in fact and thus had looked through many sets completely to better understand what I had and what the differences were, ways I could make improvements.

Further, after calling the kits I was selling crap and "improper knockoffs," I quickly found you selling the 04 coupe predator chromium kits, that utilized the same inverters and, wow the same rings as my supplier sold....gee I bet you are buying those same improper knockoffs. Its amazing how an opinion can change when you have to make something better, but you know what, I never degraded you, your products or made an attmept to make people dislike you.

Your business ethics are slacking Jon, I honestly placed you above the way you are acting now and I can not tell you how long I have bitten my tongue from saying stuff, and continue to do so.

And Matt, after yelling at me repeatedly not to try to make sales in everyone elses threads, I see both yourself, and (JLevi's rep) Nick making, or attempting to make sales in other peoples threads, including the BimmerBLVD MIA thread. IU find this apppalling and utterly inapropriate. If a company has a good reputation and is the leader in something the owner of the company shouldn't have to try so hard to sell himself. The customer base should know that because it is common knowledge that so and so has great customer service, pricing, and products.

Thats just my .02 though, if you have a problem with it, thats fine, but I won't be posting in this thread anymore, its not worth my time to state my opinion and be belittled by vendors.

[kpeng]

It's **** like this that shows there are no such things as good honest vendors nowadays. We weren't in the business for very long, but we did things the way they should of been done. We were honest, straightforward, and we tried to offer help to our customers the best that we could. The only reason why we left the business was because of how time consuming it was for us, being full-time students. Our grades suffered because of how much time and effort we put into Leistung and our customers. And for people who do this for a living, I'd expect the same effort and honesty.

Jon, like Tyler already said, you were thought too highly of. Saying all of this nonsense, trying to squeeze a sale out of everything, isn't the way to do it. If you're honest to the customer, and was just trying to sell what you have, not try to put down another product, you'll sell a lot more. You used to sell TE's, and you pushed them as far superior as the product we had. Now that you don't sell them anymore, you call them garbage and push your Predator's. Angel eyes are angel eyes, they are all essentially the same thing. Biggest difference being the thickness or the ring pattern. Big whoop. It would be senseless for anyone to pay above the lowest asking price on the market for a set of lights that essentially all the same. And if you want to prove me wrong, explain what the technical difference is between all of them.

As for Matt, there's just nothing more to say, if anyone has been following this whole "Angel Eyes War" saga, they'll know we've had our choice words for each other.

In the angel eyes market, there is no such thing as a straightforward honest vendor anymore. Not to sound arrogant, but we were the only ones. Everyone is linked to one another someway. Connected in one big scheme. Umnitza got cut off by Jim Powell and Wheelpower, now he's pushing these new angel eyes that he's dubbed some ridiculous marketing name, and all his little goons have to follow suit because Umnitza supplies and controls them all.

The angel eyes market is one big monopoly. No matter who you buy from, you're still buying from the same dishonest unprofessional scum. The consumer always loses.

And that's really sad to see.

I guess everyone plays with the same fire nowadays, but pretty soon, they're all going to get burnt. Right Matt?

-Ken

[Lexie330ci]

lol this is going to be funny...

[Mike Benvo]

Although I understand that the Predators may be superior in certain ways, the Titaniums are by no means trash. I have them on my car and they look real good- although the kit is cheap in some areas. The deciding factor is whether you think the difference in price is worth it, imo is isn't. Angel eyes are not rocket science, so it doesn't really matter.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Although I understand that the Predators may be superior in certain ways, the Titaniums are by no means trash. I have them on my car and they look real good- although the kit is cheap in some areas. The deciding factor is whether you think the difference in price is worth it, imo is isn't. Angel eyes are not rocket science, so it doesn't really matter.
But you see that's not the point we are trying to communicate. The TE's are a great kit I will admit. We are just pointing out the improvements the Predators have over the TE's. It's not like we are saying your car will blow up if you get the TE's, just simply put that the Predators are a step above that for the reasons we went into.

[Mike Benvo]

But you see that's not the point we are trying to communicate. The TE's are a great kit I will admit. We are just pointing out the improvements the Predators have over the TE's. It's not like we are saying your car will blow up if you get the TE's, just simply put that the Predators are a step above that for the reasons we went into. How about this. I send you my Titaniums and some cash, and you give me the chromiums... Then I'll write a review of which one is better.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

attempting to make sales in other peoples threads, including the BimmerBLVD MIA thread. IU find this apppalling and utterly inapropriate. If a company has a good reputation and is the leader in something the owner of the company shouldn't have to try so hard to sell himself. The customer base should know that because it is common knowledge that so and so has great customer service, pricing, and products.



I completely and utterly agree which is why I invite you to find such an instance while I have been under the JleviSW company name :)

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

How about this. I send you my Titaniums and some cash, and you give me the chromiums... Then I'll write a review of which one is better.
I don't see the point in this. You are welcome to pick a set up for 179.99 on the website :)

We have had countless reviews of our predators and have received nothing but praise about their quality!

[Mike Benvo]

I don't see the point in this. You are welcome to pick a set up for 179.99 on the website :)

We have had countless reviews of our predators and have received nothing but praise about their quality!
I know they are better. I'm just too cheap to pay that price tag for some stupid lights. http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/blah.gif

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

I know they are better. I'm just too cheap to pay that price tag for some stupid lights. http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/blah.gif
Oh cmon now Mike, we know you arent short on cash, especially with what your dropping over at technik ;)

[Jlevi SW]

Just a simple question, that is all it was.

Also, I will make a few key statements then ask that this conversation is tabled.
-I posted this thread to explain and to apologize for ever selling TE. It was the best thing available at the time, and so we stuck with it.
-We never bashed your rings or inverters, just your harnesses, which we do NOT use. We still use our own design
-I have not posted in a competitor's thread in a LONG time, proving that I am learning from my sometimes contentious ways. It is a learning curve when you are as young as I.
-I don't recall your business ethics being as spectacular as you guys say they were, but I'm not one to call you guys liars. I seem to recall you would post in threads about our product with your signatures emblazoned with Leistung advertisements. Nonetheless, I have nothing against you guys, and I respect your decision to leave the market. I personally left the retail market and luckily have 2 employees to fall back on.

I will <b>openly</b> admit that my professionalism has faultered in the last week. I have less patience to counter disrespect or falsehood with a smile on my face. It may be because I no longer get the counterbalance of dealing with my more enjoyable customers over the phone, and it may be the fact that I'm a little stressed in my first weeks of college - nonetheless it is no excuse and I do apologize if I've been more of a jerk on the forums. I have a hard time completely isolating myself from retail (as I should, since Nick has it covered), but I will be working on it.

They say that flatterers are the worst enemies, so like I said, I accept your critiscism warmly and take it to heart :) :thumbup:
JL

[spyder]

Although I understand that the Predators may be superior in certain ways, the Titaniums are by no means trash. I have them on my car and they look real good- although the kit is cheap in some areas. The deciding factor is whether you think the difference in price is worth it, imo is isn't. Angel eyes are not rocket science, so it doesn't really matter.

I agree.

Umnitza don't get so worked up just because i gave my opinion on YOUR product. I don't see that as bashing. I find it funny though, i bet you wouldn’t have made that post if i said something about gruppem replicas or ACS replica roof spoilers.

As i said before, you guys seem like good people and good vendors but lately it just seems like all you guys really care about is money. Trying to make a great product look bad just to boost the sales on your own. I see some of you guys in other vendor’s threads trying to get sales which i think is wrong.

I choose to buy from BimmerBlvd 1st because Tom seems very honest. I don't see him going around trying to steal sales.

[rdsesq]

Since it is my car (the yellow 330 with the TE) in that pic, I think I have something to add to this.

I had TE, and as you can see they didn;t work that great. Dead spots like that in halos defeats the purpose of the halo. I was on the verge of taking them of my car. I rather not have them at all, then have a product that only sorta works. (I don;t believe in doing things by half measure.)

I used predator chromiums at Bimmerfest, and I got lots of compliments and "what are those" and they lasted the 7 1/2 hours continuous with no flicker or dead spots.

If the P-Cs were not out in the market, I would not be running halos at all.

Just my opinion, but, since it was a pic of my car, I thought it only fair to chime in.

[MR_GQ]

I am thinking about getting the Projector46™ Headlights from jlevi......with the "demon eyes" installed already. Which demon eyes do these come with? Because I was really hoping to get the Predator Chromium Angel Eyes? Also, if I buy the Projector46™ Headlights would I get the Free Remote?

[umnitza]

I am thinking about getting the Projector46™ Headlights from jlevi......with the "demon eyes" installed already. Which demon eyes do these come with? Because I was really hoping to get the Predator Chromium Angel Eyes? Also, if I buy the Projector46™ Headlights would I get the Free Remote?
Yes, they come with the Chromium built in.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

I am thinking about getting the Projector46™ Headlights from jlevi......with the "demon eyes" installed already. Which demon eyes do these come with? Because I was really hoping to get the Predator Chromium Angel Eyes? Also, if I buy the Projector46™ Headlights would I get the Free Remote?
You will also get a free remote kit built into the wiring harness :)

[MR_GQ]

You will also get a free remote kit built into the wiring harness :)
thanks! Also, does this include clear turn signals or is that something totally different? (and do you guys have those on your site...I couldn't find them) Also, do you carry clear sidemarkers turn signals? I am about to drop some cash... the mod bug has me :bawling: So far in my cart is Projector 46 lights with demon eyes, E46 crystalLED taillights, and wheel locks . Its starting to add up fast. Any way to cut a deal if I order a bunch of crap all at once?

[Jlevi SW]

They no longer come with clears - we just lowered the price instead.

You'll need to have the snap-in corners, NOT the screw in ones from the 2002+ cars ;)

Thanks
JL

[umnitza]

They no longer come with clears - we just lowered the price instead.

You'll need to have the snap-in corners, NOT the screw in ones from the 2002+ cars ;)

Thanks
JL
We have about 30 Sedan clear push in turn signals that we will sell for $30 with each order. Yours is a coupe, so we don't have those at this time.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

We still have Chromiums in stock ready to go!

Buy the original that is factory backed with a full warranty, email technical support and our famous 45 step installation guide!

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

We still have Chromiums in stock ready to go!

Buy the original that is factory backed with a full warranty, email technical support and our famous 45 step installation guide!
Correction to that statement, I just got word from Inventory that we are out but a new shipment is already on its way :)

Both the Predator Chromiums and the 04 Predator Chromiums should be in stock next week!

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Correction to that statement, I just got word from Inventory that we are out but a new shipment is already on its way :)

Both the Predator Chromiums and the 04 Predator Chromiums should be in stock next week!
Reserve your set now! Backorders will be shipped within 1 business day of stocking.

04 Coupe owners who have been waiting, wait no more come next week!

[flightz71]

Chromium sounds like the superior product but I like the TE because of the thick look and how the top tucks in (you can't see where the light cuts off up top).

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/laguna1.sized.jpg

See how you can see the cutoff on the top? Also, they look thin/weak/dim.

http://www.bimmerboulevard.com/store/images/titaniumdde.jpg

Whereas the TE has a nice thick solid look to it and doesn't cut off on the top.

I do like your guy's predator chromiums for the 04+ facelifted coupes because they have a full ring:

http://jlevistreetwerks.com/OSCOMMERCE/images/04ENHDDE.jpg

+ the thin ring looks MUCH bettter suited for the facelifted coupes.


Also, are you guys sure that the p46's come with chromiums? My friend bought the P46's for his m3 earlier this year (when they still came with xtec ballasts/bulbs and clear corners) and his DDE's are the best i've ever seen in my life. The DDE had a solid thick look, couldn't see the cutoff up top, and had more of a purple/white tint then the white chromium's i'm seeing.


The ideal DDE is the one in my friend's P46 assembly...but when I'm going m3 later...it will most likely come with xenons and the TE DDE seems to look the most like the DDE in the P46 assembly (thick ring with no cutoff on the top)

Here's a pic of the P46 on a random sedan (AS007)

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139013&stc=1
^tucked in up top!
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139014&stc=1
^thick, solid, clean


Solution:

1. Create a TE looking DDE with the benifits of the chromium ring.

2. Make the P46 ring avalible without the headlight housing!! :bow:

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/laguna1.sized.jpg

looks nothing like

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139014&stc=1


Chromiums are not P46 DDE's

Please clear up this confusion.

thanks! :thumbup:

p.s. How do wheelpower phosphrye halos come into this picture? How do those look compared to TE and Chromium?

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Chromium sounds like the superior product but I like the TE because of the thick look and how the top tucks in (you can't see where the light cuts off up top).

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/laguna1.sized.jpg

See how you can see the cutoff on the top? Also, they look thin/weak/dim.

http://www.bimmerboulevard.com/store/images/titaniumdde.jpg

Whereas the TE has a nice thick solid look to it and doesn't cut off on the top.

I do like your guy's predator chromiums for the 04+ facelifted coupes because they have a full ring:

http://jlevistreetwerks.com/OSCOMMERCE/images/04ENHDDE.jpg

+ the thin ring looks MUCH bettter suited for the facelifted coupes.


Also, are you guys sure that the p46's come with chromiums? My friend bought the P46's for his m3 earlier this year (when they still came with xtec ballasts/bulbs and clear corners) and his DDE's are the best i've ever seen in my life. The DDE had a solid thick look, couldn't see the cutoff up top, and had more of a purple/white tint then the white chromium's i'm seeing.


The ideal DDE is the one in my friend's P46 assembly...but when I'm going m3 later...it will most likely come with xenons and the TE DDE seems to look the most like the DDE in the P46 assembly (thick ring with no cutoff on the top)

Here's a pic of the P46 on a random sedan (AS007)

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139013&stc=1
^tucked in up top!
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139014&stc=1
^thick, solid, clean


Solution:

1. Create a TE looking DDE with the benifits of the chromium ring.

2. Make the P46 ring avalible without the headlight housing!! :bow:

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/laguna1.sized.jpg

looks nothing like

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=139014&stc=1


Chromiums are not P46 DDE's

Please clear up this confusion.

thanks! :thumbup:
What we mean when we say we use chromiums in the P46's is that we use the bare rings of the chromium kits. The P46's have a built in bezel to hold the rings which is empty when we get the base P46 but we implant the bare Chromium ring into the P46.

So you could say it's a bit of a hybrid :)

[kerisabe]

Jon/Nick,

The new relay u guys've promised arrived last night... Installed it, and now my remote kit works :D Thanks for a great service... The thing that I was disappointed with was you guys forgot to lower the declared value when shipping my chromiums, so I got raped $86 just for the tax. Other than that, excellent service.

Btw, I've ordered a pair of Prolumen HID kits from u, Lynn has promised to lower the declared value. Can't wait for them to arrive. Thanks again guys.

:thumbup:

[Jlevi SW]

Jon/Nick,

The new relay u guys've promised arrived last night... Installed it, and now my remote kit works :D Thanks for a great service... The thing that I was disappointed with was you guys forgot to lower the declared value when shipping my chromiums, so I got raped $86 just for the tax. Other than that, excellent service.

Btw, I've ordered a pair of Prolumen HID kits from u, Lynn has promised to lower the declared value. Can't wait for them to arrive. Thanks again guys.

:thumbup:


On the not-so-breakable stuff we usually don't mind too much, but with stuff like chromiums, lowering the declared value means lower insurance value. Shouldn't be a problem for the HIDs, but sorry for any inconvenience with the Chromiums :(

JL

[umnitza]

On the not-so-breakable stuff we usually don't mind too much, but with stuff like chromiums, lowering the declared value means lower insurance value. Shouldn't be a problem for the HIDs, but sorry for any inconvenience with the Chromiums :(

JL
it is shipped.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Jon/Nick,

The new relay u guys've promised arrived last night... Installed it, and now my remote kit works :D Thanks for a great service... The thing that I was disappointed with was you guys forgot to lower the declared value when shipping my chromiums, so I got raped $86 just for the tax. Other than that, excellent service.

Btw, I've ordered a pair of Prolumen HID kits from u, Lynn has promised to lower the declared value. Can't wait for them to arrive. Thanks again guys.

:thumbup:
Glad we got it all sorted out!

[umnitza]

Having rings that are wider detracts from the overall look unless they are integrated.

Having rings that are thinner allows easier installation and better fit.

[Unveiled]

Check your email jlevi. :)

[Jlevi SW]

I don't handle the emails generated by this (or our) site, but I'm sure nick will look at it and either answer it or forward it to me if it's something that needs to be addressed by me personally.

Thanks
JL

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

S54...replied :)

[es202]

Guyz,when will u have it in stock again? i just went ot your site... any ETA?

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Guyz,when will u have it in stock again? i just went ot your site... any ETA?
Mid October :)

[umnitza]

Mid October :)
sooner. we have more on order.
while we currently have more in stock, the folks at Jlevi will have more by end of this week.

[Jlevi SW]

Thank you Matt :thumbup:
JL

[umnitza]

Thank you Matt :thumbup:
JL
all in stock tomorrow.

[Jlevi SW]

I'll pick it all up friday :)
JL

[umnitza]

we need to order more, it looks like the new packaging is almost ready.

[Tupps11]

Quick question. It seems that the Predators are the way to go. The quality of this kit is highly spoken of in this thread. I just had a quick question about pricing. Why are they going for $120 on Bimmer Blvd? :confused: Is it the same kit? Also, i just got the CSL bumper which deleted my foglights. Can i hook up the Predators to the foglight wires? I would like to be able to switch them on using the foglight switch.

[umnitza]

Really simple, what the competitor is selling is a NOT THE SAME KIT>

We have the Trademark on it. He's just selling a fake Rolex to people and calling it the real thing.

[Tupps11]

Really simple, what the competitor is selling is a NOT THE SAME KIT>

We have the Trademark on it. He's just selling a fake Rolex to people and calling it the real thing.

Ok, what about the foglight question. Can i use my foglight wires to power this kit? Also, what does the dimmer look like and where do u place it? In the engine bay or somewhere on the dash? Do u have a pic of it? How come nobody likes to post pics of these items? :loco:

[umnitza]

Ok, what about the foglight question. Can i use my foglight wires to power this kit? Also, what does the dimmer look like and where do u place it? In the engine bay or somewhere on the dash? Do u have a pic of it? How come nobody likes to post pics of these items? :loco:
Yes, you can use your fogs to power up the kit.

It's a rheostat, you can place it anywhere you wish.

[Jlevi SW]

Matt, let's talk you and I about making an "easy to install" dimmer kit for the interior...?
JL

[umnitza]

It will be hard, but we're going to work on it with my team that I sent off the harnesses to for rework...

I'm setting it up so that we can get product faster and with more features:)

[umnitza]

more arriving on Monday/tuesday.

[Jlevi SW]

Perfect :)

[M3_CaB02]

Hey jlevi, you said $80 for the replacement rings, but they are $25 each on your website? Also I dont see the 2pin - 3pin converter on there? Is this a e46fanatics special? Thanks Malik

[Jlevi SW]

Please email Nick, he will help you sort it out :)
JL

[umnitza]

1 more day of testing and we should be ready with the cold weather package.

[kevmo]

price?

are u cutting the ppl who already have pred chromes a break?..

[Jlevi SW]

Don't we always take care of our customers?
JL

[kevmo]

werd to that

any word on the pricing?

[umnitza]

werd to that

any word on the pricing?
The anticipated pricing once the CWP system is done is about $35 for the upgrade.

[umnitza]

bump.

[Wolfy06]

I recently purchased the Predator Chromiums with the wireless upgrade from Jlevi. Will I be receiving the original harness also, or just the new wireless one? If I only get the wirless harness, how do I go about getting the original harness also?

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

I recently purchased the Predator Chromiums with the wireless upgrade from Jlevi. Will I be receiving the original harness also, or just the new wireless one? If I only get the wirless harness, how do I go about getting the original harness also?
You will get the original harness and incorporate the wireless device into that harness. The wireless device will eliminate the need for the ECU tap.

[umnitza]

I recently purchased the Predator Chromiums with the wireless upgrade from Jlevi. Will I be receiving the original harness also, or just the new wireless one? If I only get the wirless harness, how do I go about getting the original harness also?
We have a wiring explanation we're working on, but it's not easy.

[umnitza]

bump for posterity.

[Jlevi SW]

I thought the word posterity was antiquated roughly after the Preamble was written ;)
JL

[umnitza]

I suppose if the words are too cerebral for you, I'll dumb it down;) :D

[Jlevi SW]

Don't worry, your tendency to be verbose doesn't deter me from reading your posts. Proper mastery of the english language shouldn't be something considered esoteric ;)
JL

[LWRNCE]

bump :clap:

[umnitza]

bump :clap:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

You must have like the marveled at the erudite yet somewhat pedantic command of the English language we descried.

The spelling bee was fun this year :rolleyes: :lmao:

[umnitza]

this deserves a bump. ::(

[tmb 02]

wow.. in the last year of reading this thread the P-C's went from 130 to 150 to 180 to now 200...

[Jlevi SW]

Matt - Yeah, this thread actually has a lot of really good info and pics.
tmb - Supply and demand. I simply couldn't keep these darn things on my shelves at $180. We can't supply them fast enough. At $200, it is the optimal balance between supply and demand, we've found.
JL

[umnitza]

No, that's not the reason Jon.

The real reason isn't the demand, because if that was the case, it would be higher still.

The real reason is this product is 2X as good as the nearest priced product - which is $100, so the quality and value is reflected.

When Snapple first came out, it was $.50 a bottle.
TODAY, it's over 1.50 a bottle. It's pretty good stuff, but it's 3X as expensive as it used to be.

[Jlevi SW]

Sorry Matt, I always approach everything as a supply/demand chart because of my economics background :banghead:
JL

[auburnu008]

No, that's not the reason Jon.


The real reason is this product is 2X as good as the nearest priced product - which is $100, so the quality and value is reflected.




How exactly are they 2x better again? :lmao:

[umnitza]

How exactly are they 2x better again? :lmao:
Let's see:
2X Brighter
2X Longer Lasting
At least 3-5X the amount of units in the field.
2X the amount (minimum) of retailers world wide.

That's a short list.

[auburnu008]

what if the other guys say theirs are 2x brighter, 2x longer lasting and 2x cheaper?

[Jlevi SW]

They would be lying 2x more egregiously than the last time they had a lower quality product :)
JL

[umnitza]

what if the other guys say theirs are 2x brighter, 2x longer lasting and 2x cheaper?
Pictures as proof?
Customer testimonials?
Side by side comparisons just aren't enough.

What more do you want?

[Jlevi SW]

Auburn,
It seems that you are interested and involved in most of the threads about demon eyes. I'm curious to know which kit if any is on your car, and what do you think of it?
JL

[auburnu008]

Auburn,
It seems that you are interested and involved in most of the threads about demon eyes. I'm curious to know which kit if any is on your car, and what do you think of it?
JL

Jlevi,
I have been following most of the angel eyes threads. At the moment I do not have any on my car. I will be buying some this week. I have done a tone of research on them and I am trying to find the best value for my car. I think I am going to go with DDE titaniums for $120. I just dont see the big difference between those and the chromes or demon eyes for $200. I was going to get some from ebay for $35 shipped and make my own remote kit with a total of about $60, but I figured it was not worth the trouble to make the remote kit and I usually support the sponsors and buy here.

[Jlevi SW]

Ah, I see. I would be very interested to hear your opinions on the titanium. While I am not sure you will be happy with it, I wish you the best of luck :)
JL

[LWRNCE]

I went from titaniums to Chromiums......


Chromiums PWNJOO.

[Jlevi SW]

Nice sig, LWRNCE :)
JL

[LWRNCE]

Nice sig, LWRNCE :)
JL
Thanks

I need a new one the car looks different.

[Jlevi SW]

Can't wait to see it :)
JL

[El Salchichon]

Jlevi,
I have been following most of the angel eyes threads. At the moment I do not have any on my car. I will be buying some this week. I have done a tone of research on them and I am trying to find the best value for my car. I think I am going to go with DDE titaniums for $120. I just dont see the big difference between those and the chromes or demon eyes for $200. I was going to get some from ebay for $35 shipped and make my own remote kit with a total of about $60, but I figured it was not worth the trouble to make the remote kit and I usually support the sponsors and buy here.

Might want too look at lwrence's pic's between the chrom's and titaniums. I've def. made my decision and I'll be going with the chroms...any chance on a group purchase price of like $9.99!!!

[Jlevi SW]

Yeah I can honor that price.

Unfortunately, shipping will be $200 ;)
JL

[El Salchichon]

Yeah I can honor that price.

Unfortunately, shipping will be $200 ;)
JL

Cause I didn't open myself up to that one...:confused:

[Jlevi SW]

Hey I just had to ;)
Call us up when you are ready to order - we can't lower the price, but we can offer you the best service in the industry!
JL

[umnitza]

a little reminder bump

[auburnu008]

Looks like the Titaniums are brighter than the Chromium's. That is what my ti's look like (on the right). They are very bright and look like that at all angles. Very happy with them :thumbsup: .

[umnitza]

I'm glad you are happy with your purchase and want continued validation for your purchase.

Leif is an employee of another competitor. So, his picture is not impartial (neither are ours).

That being said, I can make anything look bright on camera:
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/rickko.sized.jpg

Just because you took 1 photo with one much much thicker than the others, does not a comparison make. I'm happy to have ANYONE with Titaniums come to our shop, we'll do all the work, they'll do all the picture taking and we'll easily settle it. Alabama - that's not a difficult drive, it's an overnight trip;)

[auburnu008]

I'm glad you are happy with your purchase and want continued validation for your purchase.

Leif is an employee of another competitor. So, his picture is not impartial (neither are ours).

That being said, I can make anything look bright on camera:

Just because you took 1 photo with one much much thicker than the others, does not a comparison make. I'm happy to have ANYONE with Titaniums come to our shop, we'll do all the work, they'll do all the picture taking and we'll easily settle it. Alabama - that's not a difficult drive, it's an overnight trip;)

What? Did that offend you or something? :hmm: I was simply saying that my Ti's look like the pick posted 2 threads up, not the one on the first page where they look dim. Why would I want to do the whole picture thing at your shop? I said I was happy with my set up I have now.

[UniqueEDesign]

I'm glad you are happy with your purchase and want continued validation for your purchase.
Leif is an employee of another competitor. So, his picture is not impartial (neither are ours).
Just because you took 1 photo with one much much thicker than the others, does not a comparison make. I'm happy to have ANYONE with Titaniums come to our shop, we'll do all the work, they'll do all the picture taking and we'll easily settle it. Alabama - that's not a difficult drive, it's an overnight trip;)
I would agree with you about the pictures not being impartial in the first posts as they seemed to not show what type of conditions the pictures were taken.

Only issue that I would question is that the picture shows both kits in the day and shot from the same angle. If it was just one headlight compared to another single headlight, then I would agree that the photo could be manipulated in favor of one or the other, but in this case I think both kits are giving equal show opportunity.

Anyways, I think they both look nice and this just gives them a fair side by side comparison! :thumbsup:

[russ330]

Chromium on Left, Titanium on Right.

Wow, there IS a point where these things become too bright. :eek: Almost looks like the headlights are on, not some DDEs. :hmm:

[Jlevi SW]

That is fantastic advise k3vkoh - we will do just that.
JL

[umnitza]

P/s: Matt/Jon, after reading through the thread, I have to say this, please don't be offended, but don't be so sensitive on others' comments on the product (Unless its really out of the fact), somehow it creates bad images for you guys. Believe in us consumer, we know what's the best for us. Peace out~!

I think you're point is well made, but it's not about sensitivity.

With the exception of Auburn - although I'm not sure what his actual alternative agenda is - the only people that should be on another vendor's threads are the vendors that sell that product.

Leif is an employee of a competitor, and thus has no business on this thread. If he wants to make his own, he has to pay for sponsorship AND he has to make his own thread. It's typical and indicative of the person he works for to do this type of tactics.

Unique - while posting something somewhat sensible STILL should not be on this thread. That's all.

As to "sensitivity" - no, the Predator Chromium are the brightest by FACT, not by goofy gimmicks of camera actions.

The IMPARTIAL images posted on the first page - in my mind - show the many lacking qualities of the competitor's product MORE SO than they show the lack of brightness which I still dispute as I have them here in the office and they are simply not brighter, THICKER YES! Brighter, no.

A camera cannot tell the differences accurately, it's only a factual chromameter and a visual side by side that makes a difference. When you do those, the Chromiums are brighter (we use higher intensity CCFL) and they are more long lasting. That's it, QED.

I can - as I have shown with the picture of the girl squating near the car - make ANYTHING look the same by setting exposure, setting focal/focus point, and setting aperture. Heck, I can make an LED in the same picture look 3X brighter than a CCFL with some good photoshop and camera tricks.

Anyways, it's the old coke versus pepsi in some ways except that in this case, it's more like ice cold coke versus luke warm pepsi.

[umnitza]

No problem. Honestly, I don't have time for these fights anymore, I don't even know what time I had in the first place.

Just come visit our shop, we'll be happy to show you all there is to show. Thanks for looking.

[auburnu008]

:hmm:

[k3vkoh]

LOL my post has been deleted...Did I say anything wrong? :confused: Am I going to be banned like kpeng? :tsk:

[tim330i]

LOL my post has been deleted...Did I say anything wrong? :confused: Am I going to be banned like kpeng? :tsk:
Sorry about that, a member, who works for a company thought it was alright to start posting in thread and about his competition. It was late and I either removed your thread on accident or it was in reference to one of that members posts.

No one (besides trolls and spammers) get banned without warning :rolleyes:

Tim

[Jlevi SW]

Thanks for keeping this and every thread civil Tim
JL