3.30 Turbocharger Kit by DA MOTORSPORT

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

We have finished the complete hardware for all E46 Turbocharger kits (excluding M3 turbocharger which is being produced)

All hardware including oil cooler kit is produced, we have polished the parts, and now re-installing onto the 3.30ci

Only the Haltech engine management system remains, as we are working on the wiring harness.

Soon the wiring harness will also be completed.

This kit will fit 3.20ci-3.23ci-3.25ci-3.28ci-3.30ci with different software and different turbochargers.


First photo is the intercooler and its pipes...

http://damsport.7host.com/mert/panusP8260015.jpg


Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[jaydc393]

wow sounds great, keep us posted as more info...any idea of what kind of numbers are expected for the different kits?

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

E46 Turbocharger Kit on the table...

exhaust manifold
turbocharger
flanges
gaskets
silicon hose
clamps

Note: some details are not on the photo.

http://damsport.7host.com/mert/P8260001a-(2).jpg


Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[rana]

Im sorry if this has already been asked,

but what are we looking at in terms of $$?

I would love this for my 320i in the future :thumbup:

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Intercooler installed.

Aluminium front mount intercooler, polished.

This is an I/C for high boost applications, look at the thickness and length of the core.

At very hot climates and at very high boost applications this I/C will drop intake temperatures very close to the ambient temperatures. Low intake temperatures will allow prolonged top speed and track driving.

The size is chosen so that pressure drop is optimized, throttle response is very fast and no water injection needed. We are against water injection on road cars as keeping water full all time is a hassle and also sometimes water injecting pumps do fail.

http://damsport.7host.com/mert/panusP8290017.jpg


Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[323power]

I was thinking of supercharging my 323i in the spring, but depending on price and the power figures you're putting down, I'd love to turbo it!

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Another view of the intercooler....


http://damsport.7host.com/mert/panusP8290040.jpg


Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Custom made turbocharger and down pipe.

Down pipe, stainless steel 316 and polished....


http://damsport.7host.com/mert/panusP8290013.jpg


Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Another view of the turbocharher and down pipe....


http://damsport.7host.com/mert/panusP8290024.jpg

Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

more will come tomorrow

Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[parad0x]

sweet! :bow:
Prices though? How much will these kits cost ?

[3rd_collective]

Great, my mod for the spring! Hopefully my company bonus will cover the kit. :mischief:

Also, Mert, how will the reliability pan out in terms of a daily driver?

[malakia12]

time to sell the supercharger, headers and cams :mischief:

[sTiZZiT]

http://damsport.7host.com/mert/panusP8290017.jpg
[/QUOTE]

With such huge end tanks and such tiny charge piping, you're going to see a very unequal distribution of cooling. What tends to happen is the air makes the 90degree turn and takes the path of least resistance, straight through to the other pipe. You will have slightly more efficiency by having such a huge intercooler due to the sheer fact that the entire unit will sink heat but you loose the added potential of additional surface area by properly distributing the air within the intercooler.

To avoid this most builders make the air flow direction into the endtank perpendicular to the direction of air through the core. For example, your charge piping would feed the hot side of the cooler on the TOP or BOTTOM of the endtank, not the side.

It is probably not your intention to over complicate this by creating such difficult pipe routing designs. However, if you just move your piping to the bottom of the intercooler, you will see huge improvements after you've reached the efficiency limits of the lower section (you may never reach them)

Also, i have seen pleanty of guys using gt35 series turbos at 20-25psi using half that height core. I guess my main point is, using a decent intercooler like a bar and plate style (which yours may very well be), you could reduce the one seen in the pictures by 50% with no noticeable loss in cooling efficiency.

My $0.02 been building and tuning turbo cars for 5 years now.

Edit: BTW: the way the end tanks are tapered are meant for the airflow to be in the direction of the taper (the method i recommended doing it, from the bottom). The way you are doing it, the tapers are all but effective.

[K-DOG]

Im just curious if the software is a pipe dream or not? Does anyone actually have a turbo Z4 from DA in the US? I am curious how no one in america can tune cars claiming the software is extremely difficult to work with, but here comes a dude from turkey making a turbo kit in a couple of months, WITH software and a kit which "supposedly" costs less than some of the superchargers....too good to be true?

[sTiZZiT]

Only the Haltech engine management system remains, as we are working on the wiring harness.

Soon the wiring harness will also be completed.


Not using oem computer for fuel management

[K-DOG]

Not using oem computer for fuel management

My next question then becomes, why didnt anyone do a standalone system for the ECU in the US? (Is it a standalone or piggyback lol?)

[Solid]

The Technik IC looks pretty similar as far as I/O piping positions and has proven to be effecient. I guess it doesn't sit as high though.


http://photos.e46fanatics.com/data/500/8372DSC05228.JPG

[Solid]

Probably because they are expensive, hard to install (wiring wise) and take a lot of time to tune.

Some other member is running a Motech system on here, but those are very expensive.

My next question then becomes, why didnt anyone do a standalone system for the ECU in the US? (Is it a standalone or piggyback lol?)

[BMWE46Fl]

My next question then becomes, why didnt anyone do a standalone system for the ECU in the US? (Is it a standalone or piggyback lol?)

you will soon see all the images of my build up in the next following weeks
:mischief: full standalone Motec(not Motech)

[Solid]

Whoops i was on the phone when I typed that lol, I did mean Motec

you will soon see all the images of my build up in the next following weeks
:mischief: full standalone Motec(not Motech)

[BMWE46Fl]

Whoops i was on the phone when I typed that lol, I did mean Motec

no problem
most people out this past weekend thought Motec was a new form of Vtec
:ben:

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

KDOG:

Software is NOT difficult to tune. Haltech has many features and we need to activate and work on these features. Many extras such as hot and cold start. We are working on the wiring harness.

Price of our kits will be higher than E46 supercharger kits.

Superchargers and our turbocharger kits cannot be compared, as they are totally different in terms of power and quality. We have many extras which no supercharger kit offers and as it is known turbochargers make more power at the same boost pressure than superchargers. Last point is the point at which full boost is produced on our kits: we have full boost at 3000 rpm, no supercharger can produce maximum pressure at 3000 rpm.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

KDOG: the answer to your question of "why noone in US uses a stand alone"?

- a stand alone costs at least 1400 USD, 1400 USD less money on each kit :tsk:

- wiring harness need to be worked out

- You need to sit and work and test and work and get a perfect mapping, this is what we do now, haltech has great features which I will count next

we will use Haltech as a parallel unit to preserve vanos, automatic tranny software and diagnostic features etc. It wont be a full stand alone.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Stizzit:

the I/C and pipes are proven, we tested this cooler and pipes.

the size of pipes are quite enough for flowing air where we keep throttle response and cooling capacity optimized.

on very hot climates like Bahrein and Saudi Arabia our turbocharged cars run perfect with no detonation. they are proven.

[K-DOG]

KDOG:

Software is NOT difficult to tune. Haltech has many features and we need to activate and work on these features. Many extras such as hot and cold start. We are working on the wiring harness.

Price of our kits will be higher than E46 supercharger kits.

Superchargers and our turbocharger kits cannot be compared, as they are totally different in terms of power and quality. We have many extras which no supercharger kit offers and as it is known turbochargers make more power at the same boost pressure than superchargers. Last point is the point at which full boost is produced on our kits: we have full boost at 3000 rpm, no supercharger can produce maximum pressure at 3000 rpm.

Well, if everything you say is true, it is going to be an amazing kit.
:thumbup: However, we, as consumers, just have to wait and see where this goes from here. Especially since we were brainwashed by american tuners that the price/hp ratio of a turbo on our cars is not worth it. Good luck with everything, I will be following the developments closely.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Thank you very much, wait and see :)

Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[Mike Benvo]

I think it's incorrect to say that "no supercharger can produce max boost at 3k rpm". Definitly a centrufugal style one cant. Or your redline could be 3k and hence you are at max boost.

Regardless, I think you kits are quite amazing and very well though out. I commend you for your efforts in terms of quality and R & D, and can't wait to see some dyno charts w/ AFR. :thumbup:

DA: Please check your PM- I sent you one about an E46 intake manifold. Thanks!

[S2peed]

Hey Mert,

I see people asking about pricing but no answer. Can you post a actual number of how much this kit is going to cost.

Also is the turbo on your kit a ball bearing Garrett turbo?

What kind of horsepower figures are we looking at here?

Finally I know the kit will come with Haltech EMS but will it come with the software and manuals so if we have to fine tune it here in the states we can do so?

Thanks

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Price will be declared on our official website next week.

E46 do not come with ball bearing turbos as the special exhaust and compressor wheels were available only with non-ball bearing ones.

3.30 stage 1 will make 350 hp at the flywheel
3.30 stage 2 will make 410 hp at the flywheel

Software wont be sent out:

For E46 being driven on high altitude US cities, the "BAROMETRIC CORRECTION" will correct fuel maps.

The software will also correct maps according to air temperatures, add or subtract fuel, so these features supply a very fine software. Imagine on hot days ECU will decrease fuel as the amount of air entering engine decreases too. These are what make our turbo kits different and special :)

Turboed E46 will have a drivability such as a BMW 7.60iL with Haltech.

This is why we opted for Haltech. So no need for mapping.

[sTiZZiT]

Stizzit:

the I/C and pipes are proven, we tested this cooler and pipes.

the size of pipes are quite enough for flowing air where we keep throttle response and cooling capacity optimized.

on very hot climates like Bahrein and Saudi Arabia our turbocharged cars run perfect with no detonation. they are proven.

Didn't say it wouldn't work, of course it will.

So would using a fire hose to water my garden lol.

[xxcosmicxx]

Very interesing.. :thumbup:

[sTiZZiT]

Price will be declared on our official website next week.

E46 do not come with ball bearing turbos as the special exhaust and compressor wheels were available only with non-ball bearing ones.



Whats special about them? A GT35R or GT40R would be perfect for this application.



For E46 being driven on high altitude US cities, the "BAROMETRIC CORRECTION" will correct fuel maps.

The software will also correct maps according to air temperatures, add or subtract fuel, so these features supply a very fine software. Imagine on hot days ECU will decrease fuel as the amount of air entering engine decreases too. These are what make our turbo kits different and special :)



Any decent fuel management will have this, nothing special.

Features that ARE NOT common on current fuel management computers are gear based fueling and timing, ion sensing ignition, and gear based boost control.

[sTiZZiT]

I just have to share my feelings on this ...

All this hype over a poorly constructed kit has me scratching my head.
-intercooler piping routed poorly
-intercooler design flawed
-limited downpipe design
-low output manifold (tubular manifold will typically net about 50wtq increase)
-a seemingly small turbo.

For $3500 i can buy this and it includes an equal length manifold, stainlss steel down pipe and aluminum intercooler pipng. It also includes top of the line tial wastegate and bov.

http://www.full-race.com/catalog/images/stage2turbokit.jpg

Please notice the quality of construction, note the intercooler. This kit makes 450whp on a car that only made 150whp, thats 3x, count it, 300% increase and look how "small" the intercooler is.

That is what i call a quality kit.

I'm not hear to hurt anyone's feelings but i would expect to see the same or better quality on a $30-60k car. I imagine once this kit comes out, we will see a handfull of others shortly there-after.

BTW: made in the USA

[cowmoo32]

Is your software going to work on 04/05 models? So far the only people to break the software have been the folks at Dinan, who have a contract with BMW.

Also, are you going to set up contracts with shops in the US to have certified install shops specifically for your kit?

[Dougs325]

will these kits fit on 320i, 323i, 325i, and 330i as well? And not just the coupes?

[cowmoo32]

will these kits fit on 320i, 323i, 325i, and 330i as well? And not just the coupes?
I'm gonna say yes....they've got the same engines as the coupe variant.

[vaio76109]

For $3500 i can buy this and it includes an equal length manifold, stainlss steel down pipe and aluminum intercooler pipng. It also includes top of the line tial wastegate and bov.

http://www.full-race.com/catalog/images/stage2turbokit.jpg

But keep in mind the number they can sell those kits in(im assuming its most likely for a civic) compared to an E46, hence the low price.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

STIIZZIT,

It seems as if you are a competitor of DA MOTORSPORT, with a hidden identification. With only 33 posts….

lets read please.

Full Race exhaust manifolds are excellent and very well. My best friend with a Supra ordered one.

But Full Race does not provide complete kits as we do.

Full Race kits have no engine management system, add 1400-2000 USD for a proper engine management system including the correct software and wiring harness and map sensor. When you add an engine management system on top of a Full Race kit, you ll see the price will go up 1400-2000 USD.

Moreover, Full Race kits do not have any fuel injectors. We provide 6 fuel injectors and add the cost of 6 injectors on top of any Full Race kit, then the Full Race turbo kit’s price will go up by 600 USD due to 6 fuel injectors.

Full Race kits have no oil pumps to drain oil from the turbo to the oil sump. DA MOTORSPORT turbo kits come with a oil pump. Add this to Full Race kits and their price will go high.

Full Race kits do NOT have an oil cooler kit. But DA MOTORSPORT turbocharger kits come with an oil cooler kit, all necessary hardware of an oil cooler kit. Do you know how much a proper oil cooler kit costs? Add the cost of an oil cooler kit to Full Race kits and see how their price goes up.

Full Race turbo kits are designed for 4 cylinder engines and we manufacture turbo systems for 6 cylinder engines. Open the hood of Honda CRX or Civic and see how compact they are. Our BMWs have under hood areas with much more space and just think how long the pipes are on a BMW engine, Hondas have surely shorter pipes.

You have compared apples with oranges. Our turbocharger kits come with more details and parts as listed above.

When you add the parts that DA MOTORSPORT turbo kits have and which Full Race don’t have, Full Race kits’ prices will increase by 3000 -4000 USD.

If you have any idea that will prove what I wrote above, I will respect you.

We live and love with Turbochargers and BMWs.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

ST***304;ZZ***304;T

By sitting there you cannot judge and say that our intercoolers are poor and bad. We tested them and you will see and read on forums once the kits come to USA. You have to test our I/C, do top speed tests, pressure drops and efficiency tests before writing some decisions.

We trust in our intercoolers completely. Day after day, track after track, top speed after top speed, DA MOTORSPORT turbocharged BMWs keep on going fast and reliable.

Just check Active Autowerke’s website and see the black M Coupe that has a similar Intercooler and it produces 600 plus hp. AA team know what they do. They are a very good tuner.

DA MOTORSPORT downpipes are also excellently produced. Tell me what is wrong in the desing and I ll tell my decisions.

If you agree to pay 1500-2000 USD extra we can produce tubular manifolds. But these kits do not need tubular manifolds as they crack in track conditions. We do not want customers that complain about cracked exhaust manifolds, and this is one of the reasons we use log style manifolds. Log type exhaust manifolds live as long as the car lives.

And who would pay 2399 USD for a tubular exhaust manifold for his BMW?

Stizzit, even you have written that the kits "can" be bought for 3500 USD. How comes? A tubular exhaust manifold for a 6 cylinder Toyota Supra is for 2399 USD? Does the rest of the full race kit cost 1100 USD? 3500 minus 2399 USD?

Stizzit, all of your criticism and beliefs have no basis.

We know tubular manifolds make more power, on our euro M3s we have tubular hand made manifolds but we do not need that extra power on E46 BMWs, unless we use completely forged bottom engines and boost 22 psi and over 22 psi.

As said before we live and love turbochargers and BMWs.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

COWMO32,

with Haltech even the new BMW M6 can be programmed. In fact, Haltech can control any car.

As a result our engine management system will fit your BMW 3.25i.


MERT DASTAN
DA TEAM CHIEF

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

COWMO32,

we may set up contracts with shops in the US to have certified install shops.

We already have contacts with some companies. As time goes by, shops that will do installation will be figured out.

MERT DASTAN
DA TEAM CHIEF

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

DOUGS 325

Your question was:

will these kits fit on 320i, 323i, 325i, and 330i as well? And not just the coupes?

Answe is:

Yes DA MOTORSPORT turbocharger kits will fit 4 door and coupe and convertible E46s.

MERT DASTAN
DA TEAM CHIEF

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Intercooler installed and turbocharger intake pipe and air filter.


http://damsport.7host.com/mert/panusP8300085.jpg


MERT DASTAN
DA TEAM CHIEF

[eg6turbo]

DA is right on all counts when compared to the full race kits...full race specialize in custom fabrication...many of the guys out there who are running these kits are honda/acura guys....these kits are the best in the business...lifetime warranty on the manifold from ever cracking...but the space where the turbo lies in our bmw is very tight and a tubular woulnt be as efficient when it comes to install and flow...full race is trying to sell the equal length by design not by price...even with log style the pre-production e46 kits needed a modified engine mount to have everything clear....so DA has put together something that no one has attepted which i think is great...im still waiting for the ATP turbo kit...i heard its out next month!!!!







:lmao:

[sTiZZiT]

STIIZZIT,

It seems as if you are a competitor of DA MOTORSPORT, with a hidden identification. With only 33 posts….



No competitor here, not enough money in the business for me to want to even try. I dont make my hobbies my work, it only ruins them.




Full Race kits have no engine management system, add 1400-2000 USD for a proper engine management system including the correct software and wiring harness and map sensor. When you add an engine management system on top of a Full Race kit, you ll see the price will go up 1400-2000 USD.


If you want to get technical, no you're wrong. $600 will buy you a VERY nice s300 from hondata, fully tunable, data loging, lots of functionality, and cake to use. Even the fully loaded AEM EMS is $1200.

For the Haltech yes, its more than both of those, the best solution? I dont know. A good solution, sure.


Moreover, Full Race kits do not have any fuel injectors. We provide 6 fuel injectors and add the cost of 6 injectors on top of any Full Race kit, then the Full Race turbo kit’s price will go up by 600 USD due to 6 fuel injectors.


Are you kidding, $300 per injector, maybe in Turkey, but not here. I paid $275 for 4 780cc injectors. Give me a break.


Full Race kits have no oil pumps to drain oil from the turbo to the oil sump. DA MOTORSPORT turbo kits come with a oil pump. Add this to Full Race kits and their price will go high.


Whats "high" ? I can get an electric external oil pump for $300 that'll do more than enough. Add some ss lines to that, $500 and youre done.



Full Race kits do NOT have an oil cooler kit. But DA MOTORSPORT turbocharger kits come with an oil cooler kit, all necessary hardware of an oil cooler kit. Do you know how much a proper oil cooler kit costs? Add the cost of an oil cooler kit to Full Race kits and see how their price goes up.


They dont have one because its not necessary. There are tons of b-series out ther making 600whp+ and STILL have no oil cooler. Most of the people who use them are NOT road racing them therefor they dont need it. Full-race takes out that additional cost and gives the customer the option, smart huh?


BTW: My entire fuel system, and cooling system is made of SS braided hoses, do you know what those are? Do you know how much THOSE cost? ass.


Full Race turbo kits are designed for 4 cylinder engines and we manufacture turbo systems for 6 cylinder engines. Open the hood of Honda CRX or Civic and see how compact they are. Our BMWs have under hood areas with much more space and just think how long the pipes are on a BMW engine, Hondas have surely shorter pipes.


You think 5" of pipe adds $200 to the price right? lol.

Apparently you've never under the hood of an s2000? Its damn tight by the manifold but somehow lovefab has a tubular manifold.

Its called enginuity.


You have compared apples with oranges. Our turbocharger kits come with more details and parts as listed above.
When you add the parts that DA MOTORSPORT turbo kits have and which Full Race don’t have, Full Race kits’ prices will increase by 3000 -4000 USD.


If you have any idea that will prove what I wrote above, I will respect you.


I am comparing red apples with green apples ;) - turbo kit against turbo kit. I never mentioned anything about price did I? I was strictly talking about quality, who cares what the price is because OBX will copy you and charge 1/2 of what you do and sell 4x as many kits. I was disappointed with your charge piping and intercooler mostly.

Originally my comments were meant as constuctive criticism. But instead of you replying intelligently you said "Its proven" which basically means to me, you agree with me but are too stuck in your ways to try to improve your product.

Lastly, I dont know you therefor your respect means little to me. No offense.

[sTiZZiT]

ST***304;ZZ***304;T

By sitting there you cannot judge and say that our intercoolers are poor and bad. We tested them and you will see and read on forums once the kits come to USA. You have to test our I/C, do top speed tests, pressure drops and efficiency tests before writing some decisions.

We trust in our intercoolers completely. Day after day, track after track, top speed after top speed, DA MOTORSPORT turbocharged BMWs keep on going fast and reliable.

Just check Active Autowerke’s website and see the black M Coupe that has a similar Intercooler and it produces 600 plus hp. AA team know what they do. They are a very good tuner.

DA MOTORSPORT downpipes are also excellently produced. Tell me what is wrong in the desing and I ll tell my decisions.

If you agree to pay 1500-2000 USD extra we can produce tubular manifolds. But these kits do not need tubular manifolds as they crack in track conditions. We do not want customers that complain about cracked exhaust manifolds, and this is one of the reasons we use log style manifolds. Log type exhaust manifolds live as long as the car lives.

And who would pay 2399 USD for a tubular exhaust manifold for his BMW?

Stizzit, even you have written that the kits "can" be bought for 3500 USD. How comes? A tubular exhaust manifold for a 6 cylinder Toyota Supra is for 2399 USD? Does the rest of the full race kit cost 1100 USD? 3500 minus 2399 USD?

Stizzit, all of your criticism and beliefs have no basis.

We know tubular manifolds make more power, on our euro M3s we have tubular hand made manifolds but we do not need that extra power on E46 BMWs, unless we use completely forged bottom engines and boost 22 psi and over 22 psi.

As said before we live and love turbochargers and BMWs.

Cool. Regardless of what i say you tell me im wrong so i wont waste any more time.


Just check Active Autowerke’s website and see the black M Coupe that has a similar Intercooler and it produces 600 plus hp. AA team know what they do. They are a very good tuner.

So are you saying you copied theirs? LOL

is this it?
http://www.activeautowerke.com/turbo/MZ3Turbo/mz3turbo-front.jpg

Yeah you're right thats ALMOST the same size lol. Look at it, if THAT RIGHT THERE dosent tell you that yours is too big, then im wasting my time.

I will gladly test your kit. Send one to me and I'll dyno it as soon as i get it put on. Then i'll redesign the intercooler piping and get a different intercooler and dyno it again. If my numbers are higher i'll gladly send you my apologies in writing along with the kit.

Your intercooler design sucks and i was trying to tell you nicely. It works, like i said, so does a firehose to water your lawn.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Stizzit,

you are again wrong on all points, we said 600 USD for 6 injectors. Each cost 100 USD.


As a company rule we wont answer and reply any of your comments as you have no knowledge about turbocharging and turbocharging BMWs. A very simple clue about the "lack of experience and knowledge of you" was where you stated that "no need for oil coolers". Woww, even the 333 hp E46 M3 without a turbo comes with an oil cooler. Who can say that an oil cooler is not needed? This belief is so wrong. But we are not teachers to correct you. After this comment of you we will not answer and talk tou you.


MERT DASTAN
DA TEAM CHIEF

[xxcosmicxx]

This forum gets so old sometime...Way too many people that think they know everything in the world :rolleyes:

[sTiZZiT]

This forum gets so old sometime...Way too many people that think they know everything in the world :rolleyes:

Haha i know, i wish he knew what he was talking about before he tried to build one.

I knew this forum was full of stunnas that just put hallos and vented fenders on their cars but i guess i was hoping there was some technical knowledge.

[xxcosmicxx]

Haha i know, i wish he knew what he was talking about before he tried to build one.

I knew this forum was full of stunnas that just put hallos and vented fenders on their cars but i guess i was hoping there was some technical knowledge.


Ouch...that hurt. Post up a picture of your car bro.

[sTiZZiT]

Stizzit,

you are again wrong on all points, we said 600 USD for 6 injectors. Each cost 100 USD.


As a company rule we wont answer and reply any of your comments as you have no knowledge about turbocharging and turbocharging BMWs. A very simple clue about the "lack of experience and knowledge of you" was where you stated that "no need for oil coolers". Woww, even the 333 hp E46 M3 without a turbo comes with an oil cooler. Who can say that an oil cooler is not needed? This belief is so wrong. But we are not teachers to correct you. After this comment of you we will not answer and talk tou you.


MERT DASTAN
DA TEAM CHIEF

It seems like you do more comparitive analysis then dynamic thinking. Do you know why the m3 has an oil cooler? Did you read what i said?

I said, an oil cooler isn't necessary unless the car was being tracked. If you have any reason why this isn't true, please, do explain.

Oh and please explain why turbocharging a BMW is fundamentally different than any other car?

If i dont know anything about turbo charging a vehicle, then i envite you to go for a ride in my turbo-charged vehicle.

[eg6turbo]

Haha i know, i wish he knew what he was talking about before he tried to build one.

I knew this forum was full of stunnas that just put hallos and vented fenders on their cars but i guess i was hoping there was some technical knowledge.

your comparing apples to oranges though...your talking about honda's ecu system that i must say isnt the most advanced in the world....so for hondata to reprogram the stock ecu and making it boost compatible isnt a new thing like the bmw's...also think about the parts alone....when you buy something like headers to keep it simple...one of the best headers out there might cost you 400 bucks for a honda...bmw headers cost 1200 bucks....buying parts for a supra is going to damn expensive compared to a honda....so you cant compare prices from manufacture to manufacture...

[eg6turbo]

also turbocharging something is very easy...i put together my own turbo kit for my 330ci but one thing i couldnt overcome...everyone else knows that the bmw adaptation system will wipe out any modifications done to the system unless the system itself is overwritten with boost capabilities...thats why you cant just throw a turbo some pipes an intercooler and a fmu together...

[sTiZZiT]

Ouch...that hurt. Post up a picture of your car bro.


Gladly...

The stock bimmer as i bought it...
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTA1MDc1NjZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

My turbo car's motor (nope i know nothing about building turbo cars)
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTA1MDc1NzZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTA1MDc1ODZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

[sTiZZiT]

also turbocharging something is very easy...i put together my own turbo kit for my 330ci but one thing i couldnt overcome...everyone else knows that the bmw adaptation system will wipe out any modifications done to the system unless the system itself is overwritten with boost capabilities...thats why you cant just throw a turbo some pipes an intercooler and a fmu together...

Yeah i agree and understand that completely.

[racingdynamics2]

very Nice Kit i must say ! can't wait to see the #s you have coming !

Kris-

[eg6turbo]

Yeah i agree and understand that completely.

nice golden eagle sleeves...what kind of rods and why the new crank???

[sTiZZiT]

nice golden eagle sleeves...what kind of rods and why the new crank???

Thanks!! your car looks hot btw, love the lip and the CF hood on a black car. Subtle but sick.

Eagle crank eagle rods.

I couldn't find a used crank for some reason. The only one i found for sale was messed up. I found a real good deal on the pair that I felt was worth it.

In the end it made blueprinting the bottom end easy. All the journals and big rod ends were the same size so I used the same bearing on all rod journals and was able to do the same for the mains.

My old crank was scored where the main seal sealed on the crank. Because it was several thousands deep, it couldn't be micropolished out. If left untouched it would've tore up the main seal and ruined my clutch. I guess something from the clutch must've gotten in there and scored it. The new crank was cheaper than fixing the old one lol :)

[Elefant]

the kit looks good but anything chrome does :lmao:

wow that IC doesnt look good why are the endtanks so big? thats not gonna work right

[eg6turbo]

makes sense to me...i had a fully built ls/vtec darton sleeves, pauter rods, arp studs, full p&p head running the s200b...made 391 at 15 psi...i hated the attention of my eg hatch so i sold it and got the 330...now its almost time to turbo it with DA kit...still waiting for all the bugs to be worked out

[sTiZZiT]

makes sense to me...i had a fully built ls/vtec darton sleeves, pauter rods, arp studs, full p&p head running the s200b...made 391 at 15 psi...i hated the attention of my eg hatch so i sold it and got the 330...now its almost time to turbo it with DA kit...still waiting for all the bugs to be worked out

Awesome man! This is a b18 ls/vtec GE sleeved to 2.0L with arp studs and All headwork done by me. I have a 4 angle valve job, complete REV valve train, I ported intake and exhaust heavily along with opening up the chambers to 85mm and refinishing them.

pics of the 84mm chambers before 4 angle valve job (recently)...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/sTiZZiT/teg/Head/small-chamber.jpg


The turbo kit I welded and built from the ground up. The manifold is an equal length and uses a tial 44mm vband flanged wastegate (sick!). The turbo sits at a level where the 3" downpipe goes straight across the enginebay, under the frame rail, and out the side of the bumper in front of the passenger's side tire NO BENDS, if you had a flashlight you could look in it and see the turbine of the hotside on the turbo. It looks incredibly sick and sounds even sicker. Talk about attention, you should see the looks i get when i hardly get into boost. I had pics but i guess they were on my old computer, i'll have to find them. Right now the car's apart as you can imagine.

This new build I'm switching from an LS tranny to a GSR tranny with an LSD. I went to the track and trapped 120's with street tires and an LS tranny spinning through third lol. Now i have drag radials, lsd, and a gsr trans i'm hoping for 11's on DR's.

I would love to turbo the 330 but i already have one unreliable turbo car, i really dont need the hastle of two lol. I think if i got tired of the integra i'd sell it and the 330 and just buy an '03 z06. We'll have to see though.

[K-DOG]

No offence guys, but please dont hijack the thread. Post a new thread about turbocharged honda engines, and I will gladly read it.

[parad0x]

No offence guys, but please dont hijack the thread. Post a new thread about turbocharged honda engines, and I will gladly read it.



I agree, if you dont got anything to say regarding the DA-motorsports kit, please dont post here or lets have the mods delete the messages. Take it to your own thread, sorry guys.

As for the kit, I think it's very promising. Lets see some dyno charts with some power/afr figures.

Stitch, You cant say how crappy the I/C is without even seeing the results. For what it's lacking in your judgement might make up for with another feature. Even though you started off with some constructive criticism, you ended it with a flame binge and sounded like you were telling DA-Motorsports to not attempt at even finishing the kit and to stop production because of a "cheap kit" that has "inefficient parts" and is doomed for failure. Lets see DA-Motorsports finish their kit and let the final results speak for themselves.

I have high expectations as everybody else regarding quality, reliability, and budget.. And its definitly time we all see a turbo kit come to the market, there is definitly a high demand for a turbo kit for the E46 chasis, I think there is a lot of promise from DA-ms in building such a kit. If you think you can come up with a better kit, please lets have you mass produce one and sell it at a budget that can compete with the SC price range. A competitive turbo market would be great for all of us :thumbsup:

I hope DA-MS will set up local North American car shops as retailers for your kits, and I also look forward to getting the final prices for all your E46 kits, just dont keep us waiting too long :hi:

[K-DOG]

The only thing I got out of the entire flame war, and the one thing that I do not like is the fact that this kit does not use a ball bearing turbo....Common, this is like 10 year old technology which significantly increases turbo responce and reduces lag....I'll gladly pay a couple of beans more for a Greddy Ball bearing turbo. Would be stupid to buy the kit, and immediately swap the turbo out for a more effecient one...

[GBX330ci]

sounds good, but i'd like to see a dyno with some AFR's....

[Solid]

I don't think you'll see dynos, unless it's from one of their US distros. Last I read nobody has one in turkey. :dunno:

[FLVK]

damn....this whole FI issue is turning into the flaming and bashing over at the DDE issue with the buyers and all the vendors. All I have to say is when will some vendors open shop in Sarasota :dunno: I don't feel like driving 3 hours plus to miami and leave my car there for the weekend or longer to get this done. Heck even Tampa wouldn't be so far :thumbsup:

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

There will be dyno sheets as we have dynos up to 450 hp in Istanbul.

3.30ci Turbo will also be dynoed in Greece as it is a Greek car and the Greek dyno sheet will be on our site too.

Finally, there will be a video, a surprise video where you all can see the power easily :)

Mert

[ewok]

NICE cant wait!

[ksuen21]

Hey Mert,
make sure you get some East Coast shops in your contracts as well. None us East Coast fellas get any love!! hahaha :lmao:

[eg6turbo]

The only thing I got out of the entire flame war, and the one thing that I do not like is the fact that this kit does not use a ball bearing turbo....Common, this is like 10 year old technology which significantly increases turbo responce and reduces lag....I'll gladly pay a couple of beans more for a Greddy Ball bearing turbo. Would be stupid to buy the kit, and immediately swap the turbo out for a more effecient one...

given a properly matched turbo to a engine...a ball-bearing design wont do much at a performance stand point or reliability standpoint...it just bring up cost...only a handful of cars use a ball bearing design in the US from the factory...also where they have the turbo and manifold location it should spool quite fast...i would think full boost by 4k

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

we could not get a ball bearing turbo as there was not one. Our compressor and turbine wheels are chosen from different turbos.

So we do not offer Ball Bearing option, not because we try to save, but because simply there is no BB version.

Full boost comes on at 3000-3300 rpm:) this is what I meant by "we know turbocharging BMWs" :)

[cowmoo32]

I WANT A VIDEO!!!

I know its coming, but im still impatient.

[abeaujuin]

DA MotorSport,

Do you mind posting pictures of the oil lines and pump connected. None of your images show this.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Oil lines and pump will be shown, but not with 100% details.

Buyers will receive an installation CD where the fittings and area of the oil pump is shown with details.

We are right now wiring in Haltech, and we will make detailed DAY TIME, videos of E46 330ci turbocharged vs. E46 M3 SMG

MERT DASTAN
DA TEAM CHIEF

[BiFfMaN]

Maybe i missed it..but what garrett turbos will you be using for this kit.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Custom hybrid turbosss.

[MrBlonde]

Always guarantees a good laugh!

[jah]

hey Mert, you say you have 2 e36 M3's... you've never talked about the Sedan M3. Is it your ride? were are the photo's you were talking about?

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Jah,

M3 sedan belongs to my customer, and will be tomorrow or the other day with 150 pics on our website.

This car is from France and will go back to France.

Simply amazing, wait for the web.

We will test the 4 door with a Maranello 575 and .... post vids.

Jah, where are you from?

[jah]

Jah,

M3 sedan belongs to my customer, and will be tomorrow or the other day with 150 pics on our website.

This car is from France and will go back to France.

Simply amazing, wait for the web.

We will test the 4 door with a Maranello 575 and .... post vids.

Jah, where are you from?

France. Who's that lucky guy who owes a 1000 hp? There are many people from France on that forum but they don't talk a lot. We just read the threads and posts.
Can't wait to see that monster. When will it come?

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Car is ready to go, except some chasis mods.

Will be on net tomorrow.

Where are you from?

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Just watch the quality of labor, engineering and beauty of the 1000 hp kits.

Pure, complete bolt on 1000 hp kits run at 30 psi all time.

We will have the car on our site tomorrow.

MERT DASTAN
DA TEAM CHIEF

[BMWscout88]

Hey Mert,
make sure you get some East Coast shops in your contracts as well. None us East Coast fellas get any love!! hahaha :lmao:

I know of one already! My buddies company Armkreuz carries DA, he is cool peeps...

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Good news :

Started and drove 3.30tci. "tci" stands for the turbo 330ci :)

Car runs very smooth, idles perfectly.

Haltech is removed: why? because Haltech has no base maps for 330ci and it will take us days to make a fuel and ignition map. This meant the launch of the E46 turbo kits would be prolonged for at least 15 days. We do not want to wait so many days, and we have installed the newest version of TSI.

TSI has an easier installation, it takes 1.5 hour to install TSI and run the baby tci. Haltech has many cables which are not used and they will simply complicate the installation. In fact we have been using TSI on all of our BMWs including the 1000 hp M3 turbo.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

So how does the 330tci behave?

We have seen as much as 8 psi and full boost starts at 2800-3100 rpm.

The rear wheels spin and we had to soften the TEIN coilovers for a better grip on highway's irregular surfaces.

Full boost is preserved till maximum engine speed, and we are mapping the fuel and ignition software.

once again the "taste of turbo", "sound of the turbine and compressor wheel" and "feeling of power" are there.

Once we finish the mapping, there will be dyno sheets, dyno videos both from Turkey and Greece, and there will be tests between E46 M3 SMG and E46 330tci.

Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

standard clutch died, and we are going to install the heavy duty clucth on 330tci and map the software.

standard clutch survived only 1 day and then slipped, we have not dynoed yet, but there is plenty of torque even at stage 1 boost pressure of 7 psi, and the acceleration feeling is better than E46 M3, have to test both of them and make a vid.

[cowmoo32]

Can't wait to see and especially HEAR that car.

[CiscoM3]

mert, learn from your "1000 HP" disaster claims and actually provide some real dyno data for these people before sell them some shiet that doesn't live up to expectations.

[eg6turbo]

:popcorn: waiting for vid..

[crazy1323]

I would thinnk that a 330 turbo would kill an E46 M3. If the two have similar HP then the turbo 330 will have a butt load more torque doen low.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

CiscoM3,

1000 horsepower project was not disaster, it is a beautiful project and will be dynoed in France when it goes to France. There was a lot of jealousy, but serious buyers come here and test and then order one of the 1k hp kits, in fact DA MOTORSPORT 1k hp turbo kits are the most complete and bullet proof M3 turbo systems.


Now coming back to 330 TCI = Turbo CI

the 330tci will be dynoed in Istanbul, a dyno video will be put on our website.

When this 330tci will go back to Greece, it will be dynoed in Greece and we will have two dyno sheets.

As a result, dyno proof will be there.

We know that any dyno operator can change the results, for this reason we will make a video between the 330tci and E46 M3 SMG standard.

Detailed videos, during day time, where 2 cameras will capture both cars, and both speedos will be videod. Real daytime vids.

We will measure from 0 miles to 160 miles both cars to see the difference.

And there will also be rolling tests from 40 mph till 160 mph.

Mert DASTAN
DA TeaM Chief

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

I admit that I am excited for the test between E46 M3 SMG and E46 330TCI.

Cannot wait...

[Dougs325]

You aren't the only one who's excited Mert. You guys are going to sell a crap load of these kits once you get it all complete! until then, I will sit back and get ready to see the videos :popcorn:

[racingdynamics2]

I admit that I am excited for the test between E46 M3 SMG and E46 330TCI.

Cannot wait...

I can tell u from experience after my friend's Turbo 328 was dynoed, the m3 stands no CHANCE !

enjoy and congrats on the build

Kris-

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Thnks,

when the turbo makes full boost at 3000 rpm and starts nailing me into the seat, that feeling is awesome.

I cannot wait to make a video.

We will post the pics of the clutch kit we will use... this is a custom clutch kit and will be exhibited on a separate thread.

[BMW_330ci]

I don't mean to interrupt the thread but I have a quick question. What other mods compliment a turbo kit nicely? Should I look into getting stuff like an exhaust, SSK, ect? Or what, if anything, should I get?

[K-DOG]

If you just want straight up HP and don't care about looks....a straightpipe 3" exhaust would do very nicely. Also, an oil cooler is very good to have, but not necessary. Turbo timer, AFR guage, are almost necessities. An LSD if you actually expect to launch your car with some success. A BBK if you want to stop your car after you added significant HP.

[cowmoo32]

New clutch/flywheel would prob help too.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

KDOG,
good points.

We offer an oil cooler.

BBK is a must even for stock E46.

A LSD will let you drift as long as you want with 380 lb/ft of torque

Stock clutch died in 1 day, we just finished installation of the modded clutch. In fact we offer two different clutch systems for E46. One is called "steet and strip" the other "dragger".

An ignition amplifier is also an option.

These items are now being put together into DA Motorsport E46 webpage.

[Elefant]

BBK is a must even for stock E46.

These items are now being put together into DA Motorsport E46 webpage.

:omg: My braking is more than adequate in my 330, unless i do top speed runs daily or track my car

you wouldnt notice any difference in stopping power.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

drg,

Stock 330, and even stock E46 M3 brakes have one single piston in the calipers. And these stock brakes are far from enough. If single piston calipers were enough, Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini would not use big calipers with multi pistons and big pads....

[TaZaM3]

I can tell u from experience after my friend's Turbo 328 was dynoed, the m3 stands no CHANCE !

enjoy and congrats on the build

Kris-

Its not only about the dyno.

[AssassinGT]

wow, i'll be so interested to try out the 323ci kit. Are you looking for sponsor car applications to test out the turbos in the united States? :D :bow:

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

There won't be any sponsorship. Demand is great and we have a long wait list, we are increasing the number of people on our team to meet demand.

The moment you see "dyno sheets", "dyno video", and "video between 330ci turbo and E46 M3 SMG", you will be :omg:

This 330ci is extremely fast and just wait for the above mentioned data...

[JC7727]

The tires determine your breaking distance, a BBK will not improve your breaking distance. They will provide a better feel to the pedal and increased performance under heavy breaking, hot conditions, track use.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

JC7727,

after 5-7 hard braking from 125 mph down to 50 mph, one after another, stock brakes will fade, heat of the pads and discs boil the brake fluid, boiling fluid expands and enlarges stock rubber brake lines.

On a proper BBK, these syptoms start much later....

Well, maybe we can start a new thread for BBK :P

[vaio76109]

BBK is a must even for stock E46.
This is not true. Not only are the stock 330 brakes excellent stock, but if you added SS lines, higher BP fluid, better pads, and cooling ducts theyd almost be up to par with a BBK. Too many people just go out and buy a BBK instead of just upgrading their factory stuff. Youd be surpised the number of club racers who just upgraded their stock brakes.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

vaio,

On my M3, I had the lines, fluid, RS19 pads, with stock calipers. the difference is huge between this "cheap setup" and BBK.

I really dont want to discuss about BBK vs. Stock.
BBK outperform stocks allways.

[vaio76109]

BBK outperform stocks allways.
:lmao: I dont wanna talk about it either

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

330 ci stage 2 kits are finished, yes stage 2 turbo kits

boosted 10,3 psi

mapped the car and my day was like a dream... :omg:

cannot describe how 330tci goes at 10,3 psi

tomorrow (sunday) I will drive the new beast for pleasure, on monday we will dyno....

and we have to finish the website for E46 turbo kits, and make the videos so fast as I cannot describe the 330 turboci, at 2700-2800 rpm we see 8 psi and nail into the seats. much faster than E46 M3 SMG, muchhh faster.

all details will come VERY SOON, when you see the page abd vids and dyno you will love the turbo kitssss

[TaZaM3]

330 ci stage 2 kits are finished, yes stage 2 turbo kits

boosted 10,3 psi

mapped the car and my day was like a dream... :omg:

cannot describe how 330tci goes at 10,3 psi

tomorrow (sunday) I will drive the new beast for pleasure, on monday we will dyno....

and we have to finish the website for E46 turbo kits, and make the videos so fast as I cannot describe the 330 turboci, at 2700-2800 rpm we see 8 psi and nail into the seats. much faster than E46 M3 SMG, muchhh faster.

all details will come VERY SOON, when you see the page abd vids and dyno you will love the turbo kitssss


Very cool. Were waiting for these videos! BTW just b/c a car FEELS faster it doesnt mean its faster. Its just the torque.

[meel330]

Very cool. Were waiting for these videos! BTW just b/c a car FEELS faster it doesnt mean its faster. Its just the torque.
yo, stop hating....btw just because you have a supercharged m3 doesnt mean you know sh1t about cars, wait till the numbers come out and the vids

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

torque is not measured yet, but the torque figures should be around 350-365 lb/ft and when you compare these torque figures with a E46 M3 that has only 265 lb/ft, this means 330tci makes more tq at any rpm, as 330tci has 37 % more torque.

And torque means horsepower:)


there is the following torque and horsepower formula:

Horsepower = (Torque x RPM) / 5252

330tci horsepower = (320 x 6500) / 5252 = 396 horsepower

This is a basic formular and I have taken into account that torque falls off near the maximum engine speed and I have taken 320 lb/ft of torque, as a result at 6500 rpm, turbocharged 330tci makes 396 horsepowe.
THESE ARE CALCULATIONS, WE WILL DYNO THE BABY, BUT ONE THING TO SAY: I DID NOT DRIVE MY E46 M3 SMG TODAY, AS THE 330TCI WAS MORE FUN AND FASTER. BEST of all is the feeling when full boost hits at 2700-3000 rpm and you feel the power.

After a full day of 170 miles drive with 330tci, the feeling was similar to driving a Corcette C6 with 400-410 horses and lots of torque....

Just wait please.. we will exhibit the best FI kits for E46...

[TaZaM3]

yo, stop hating....btw just because you have a supercharged m3 doesnt mean you know sh1t about cars, wait till the numbers come out and the vids


****, dont get personal with me.

LOL you only prove my points more. He is stating numbers that don't have any facts associated with them. Just go check out bimmerforums, you might learn something.

BTW, i know alot more **** then you do.

[TaZaM3]

torque is not measured yet, but the torque figures should be around 350-365 lb/ft and when you compare these torque figures with a E46 M3 that has only 265 lb/ft, this means 330tci makes more tq at any rpm, as 330tci has 37 % more torque.

And torque means horsepower:)


there is the following torque and horsepower formula:

Horsepower = (Torque x RPM) / 5252

330tci horsepower = (320 x 6500) / 5252 = 396 horsepower

This is a basic formular and I have taken into account that torque falls off near the maximum engine speed and I have taken 320 lb/ft of torque, as a result at 6500 rpm, turbocharged 330tci makes 396 horsepowe.
THESE ARE CALCULATIONS, WE WILL DYNO THE BABY, BUT ONE THING TO SAY: I DID NOT DRIVE MY E46 M3 SMG TODAY, AS THE 330TCI WAS MORE FUN AND FASTER. BEST of all is the feeling when full boost hits at 2700-3000 rpm and you feel the power.

After a full day of 170 miles drive with 330tci, the feeling was similar to driving a Corcette C6 with 400-410 horses and lots of torque....

Just wait please.. we will exhibit the best FI kits for E46...

Congratulations, i have no hate for BMW tuners. I know plenty of them and appreciate them. BMW is the hardest car to mess with (engine wise).

Although talk is cheap, i hope you prove me wrong.

[iLLM3]

****, dont get personal with me.

LOL you only prove my points more. He is stating numbers that don't have any facts associated with them. Just go check out bimmerforums, you might learn something.

BTW, i know alot more **** then you do.

Ehh sry to say Vik but i dunno about that, why are we fighting about this shlt, all of you knwo my car iwll smoke all of yours LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :lmao: :spit: :rofl:

Emilio how were those beers tonight :craig: :thumbup:

[meel330]

****, dont get personal with me.

LOL you only prove my points more. He is stating numbers that don't have any facts associated with them. Just go check out bimmerforums, you might learn something.

BTW, i know alot more **** then you do.
hahaha yeaaaaa hear say will teach me something...it definatly has for you :lmao:

[TaZaM3]

Ehh sry to say Vik but i dunno about that, why are we fighting about this shlt, all of you knwo my car iwll smoke all of yours LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL :lmao: :spit: :rofl:

Emilio how were those beers tonight :craig: :thumbup:

Your not in this. I had nothing against your buddy but he stepped up and made a stupid move.

[meel330]

Your not in this. I had nothing against your buddy but he stepped up and made a stupid move.
stupid move? all your coments are stupid moves...in reality i stepped down to argue with you......im not proud of it : puke:

sorry mert for the thread jack, im done.....

[TaZaM3]

stupid move?

Ya stupid move. I had said nothing to you, and you came on this thread and went personal on me. The only person hating is you. However i'm used to the jealousy on this board. I just got used to it. Some people are great guys but theres a select few that are just homos.

[meel330]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Ya stupid move. I had said nothing to you, and you came on this thread and went personal on me. The only person hating is you. However i'm used to the jealousy on this board. I just got used to it. Some people are great guys but theres a select few that are just homos.
jealous? of what!!! your m3? what?..oh wait you extensive knowlege about bmw FI....i would be too it costed you 10g's

[TaZaM3]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
jealous? of what!!! your m3? what?..oh wait you extensive knowlege about bmw FI....i would be too it costed you 10g's

Maybe you should first learn english grammar and then start internet hating. I can't even understand what your saying.

I wonder how much you spent on your car? Yet still is slower then a stock M3.

[shogun]

what happened to da...i want more info...not the drama :eek: thread jack from my fellow BMW PALS!!! they're all BIMMERS...one should just wait :ben: until the guy post some numbers before being so critical...

Dang...just give me just 300 horse..i'll be fine.:)
yeah i know...i drive a wagon. its step as well:( .

[K-DOG]

Guys quit the drama....its useless to argue over something that hasn't been released yet. Its like "drag racing" with magazine stats....no grounds in reality. Lets just all have a :dave: and chill....

[meel330]

I wonder how much you spent on your car? Yet still is slower then a stock M3.
if i cared then it would be an issue :lmao: whats your obbsession about stock m3 v.s? where do i argue stock m3 is faster than a 330? if anything it is? how much have ypou spent on your car? so you can repeat that a hundred times....? i feel bad becasue that sh1t is still ugly :) yea i cant spell and i still make more money than you :craig:

[TaZaM3]

if i cared then it would be an issue :lmao: whats your obbsession about stock m3 v.s? where do i argue stock m3 is faster than a 330? if anything it is? how much have ypou spent on your car? so you can repeat that a hundred times....? i feel bad becasue that sh1t is still ugly :) yea i cant spell and i still make more money than you :craig:

Yet i still don't understand what you're saying. Youv'e spent nearly as much money as i have, all on a 330. Remember i'm not the one with a gold/red/purple/blue colored car. Also please don't even bring up who makes more money then who. Ill buy you and sell you on EBay, if i wanted to. Just leave with your tail behind you're ass.

[freska11]

Also please don't even bring up who makes more money then who. Ill buy you and sell you on EBay, if i wanted to. Just leave with your tail behind your'e ass.[/QUOTE]

not trying to get involved but the ebay line made me lol hehe

[CiscoM3]

:lmao:

i feel bad becasue that sh1t is still ugly :) yea i cant spell and i still make more money than you :craig:

Ill buy you and sell you on EBay, if i wanted to.

:lmao:

[beanfree]

Does anyone else think this may have gotten just a tiny bit out of hand. It does not say much for the BMW community if we continue to behave like this.

[TaZaM3]

Does anyone else think this may have gotten just a tiny bit out of hand. It does not say much for the BMW community if we continue to behave like this.


I actually agree with you. Notice how I was not bashing any fellow forum members. Just trying to state facts and my honest opinions on DA's products. They keep claiming amazing things but nothing yet to back it up. I hope everything they say is true, b/c that would be great for the BMW community.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Hallo TAZA,

We will dyno 330 turbo and just waiting for the rain to stop.

We tested 330ci at 7 psi against E46 M3 from 30 mph till 150 mph, and 330tci was simply faster.

We will put strong proofs like dyno and video.

At 7 psi 330tci kills E46 M3 SMG.

Then we upped the boost pressure to 10 psi and the difference is amazing. No video yet as we will make a day time video.

Shortly you ll love when you see the E46 turbo kits.

[TaZaM3]

Hallo TAZA,

We will dyno 330 turbo and just waiting for the rain to stop.

We tested 330ci at 7 psi against E46 M3 from 30 mph till 150 mph, and 330tci was simply faster.

We will put strong proofs like dyno and video.

At 7 psi 330tci kills E46 M3 SMG.

Then we upped the boost pressure to 10 psi and the difference is amazing. No video yet as we will make a day time video.

Shortly you ll love when you see the E46 turbo kits.


Im sure i will love it! With 7psi the 330 would be a real good race against a stock M3. With 10psi i have no doubt it will walk the M3. BTW when you say kill do you mean 2-3 cars or 10 cars.

BTW, I have my heart set on turboing my M3 soon, just getting my options ready.

Good Luck. :thumbup:

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

we could not see the real difference as 330ci has DSC lighting up all the way in second gear, and when we turned DSC off at 330tci the wheels kept on spinning. Despite that spin differences was 6-7 cars till 150 mph.

[Mike Benvo]

we could not see the real difference as 330ci has DSC lighting up all the way in second gear, and when we turned DSC off at 330tci the wheels kept on spinning. Despite that spin differences was 6-7 cars till 150 mph.
And this is with stock gearing in the tci? Meaning a 2.93 diff + 5 speed?

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Mike, stock gearing 5 speed manuel tranny and stock 2,93 final dif.

My customer will go for a lower ratio tranny in the coming days, any ratio lower than 2,93. The reason why he wants a lower final drive ratio is because turbochargers spool faster when you install a longer diff. This is due to the increase in load.

Moroever on the 330tci you do not want to shift upwards or downwards. And a lower diff allows higher speeds at each engine speed. This means the 330tci has a 5th gear that has a crazy acceleration from 2500 rpm onwards, as load is maximum in 5th gear we have full boost at 2500 rpm in 5th gear and the car pulls like a rocket.

With the longer diff, 4th gear will be used from 50 mph 130+ mph, the longer we have a final diff, the more than 130 mph in 4th gear. The combination of a 4th gear with a maximum speed of 140 or 150 mph and stage 2 torque 367 lb/ft will make you use ONLY 4th gear all the time:)

Turbos and shorter final drives simply kill the beauty of turbo systems.

[Mike Benvo]

Cool, can't wait to see the vid. http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Mike I know what you think now, but turbos make full boost at 3000 rpm. At what rpm do you have full boost :)

[Daniel Choe]

Hallo TAZA,

We will dyno 330 turbo and just waiting for the rain to stop.

We tested 330ci at 7 psi against E46 M3 from 30 mph till 150 mph, and 330tci was simply faster.

We will put strong proofs like dyno and video.

At 7 psi 330tci kills E46 M3 SMG.

Then we upped the boost pressure to 10 psi and the difference is amazing. No video yet as we will make a day time video.

Shortly you ll love when you see the E46 turbo kits.


Do you guys ever dyno any of your cars? I've been reading alot of your posts and have not found any dyno sheets posted. All I noticed is HP claims and the car is in France.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Daniel,

when you read above you will see that E46 330TCI will be dynoed these days.

We are controlling boost with TSI and this is the last time taking section of the kits.

With TSI we are able to set boost according to engine speed, and this is great. At any rpm, dial in the desired boost pressure.

[crazy1323]

lots of talk and no syno numbers is all i am going to say. Also, there are no dyno numbers on the Z4 3.0 that you have had the kit out for a while.

[Daniel Choe]

Daniel,

when you read above you will see that E46 330TCI will be dynoed these days.

We are controlling boost with TSI and this is the last time taking section of the kits.

With TSI we are able to set boost according to engine speed, and this is great. At any rpm, dial in the desired boost pressure.

Well I hope you do post a dyno sheet.

So when do you thnk you will have the car on a dyno? And how are you claming 410hp and 1,000hp on the M3 if the car hasn't been on a dyno?

Can you tell the people on the board that both cars are actually making the power you are claiming? Do you have special senses when you sit in the car where you can measure HP? I just think it's crazy that you say the cars are making a certain amount of power and don't really explain how you are getting these numbers.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Daniel, we wont argue with you, let the dyno and videos talk.

I cannot tell or explain you by talking, all the numbers are approximate, conservative figures.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Before we headed to a dyno, we mapped the baby 330tci and at midnight just to satisfy our team's curiosity we tested with SMG M3 E46, and that test tells us something, although not exactly. Again, we are extremely excited and keep you all informed about the project. So wait for dyno and videos.

[crazy1323]

you are not keeping us informed at all! If we were informed we would have some kind of video proving that your product makes this kind of power. I takes about 2 minuts to make a video. Just make a simply video of the speedo from inside the car where we can also see the tach. Untill then I am going to raise the Flag :bs:

[vaio76109]

God shut up all you whiney *****es. Just give him some time to post some ****ing videos and dynos! Untill then, shut up!

[CiscoM3]

Do you have special senses when you sit in the car where you can measure HP?

it's called merthp :lmao:

just see what the guys at bimmerforums have to say

[BMWE46Fl]

Mike, stock gearing 5 speed manuel tranny and stock 2,93 final dif.

My customer will go for a lower ratio tranny in the coming days, any ratio lower than 2,93. The reason why he wants a lower final drive ratio is because turbochargers spool faster when you install a longer diff. This is due to the increase in load.

Moroever on the 330tci you do not want to shift upwards or downwards. And a lower diff allows higher speeds at each engine speed. This means the 330tci has a 5th gear that has a crazy acceleration from 2500 rpm onwards, as load is maximum in 5th gear we have full boost at 2500 rpm in 5th gear and the car pulls like a rocket.

With the longer diff, 4th gear will be used from 50 mph 130+ mph, the longer we have a final diff, the more than 130 mph in 4th gear. The combination of a 4th gear with a maximum speed of 140 or 150 mph and stage 2 torque 367 lb/ft will make you use ONLY 4th gear all the time:)

Turbos and shorter final drives simply kill the beauty of turbo systems.
Rightttttttttt :rolleyes:

if you are claiming the turbo 330TCI has 410hp there is no way you pulled on a M3 by 6-7 cars like you stated, maybe you have 410HP but to the crank, to the wheels i think itd be more like 350hp unless your trying to tell me that you have 410 to the wheels and 500 to the crank on stock compression and on stock internals :hmm: :eek:

[BMWE46Fl]

God shut up all you whiney *****es. Just give him some time to post some ****ing videos and dynos! Untill then, shut up!
he's had months even years possibly to post up the damn videos or dyno's of the 1000hp M3 and just recently did he post videos of him pullin on cars that didnt even look like they were racing
:hmm:

and still no dyno information :lmao:

[Daniel Choe]

it's called merthp :lmao:

just see what the guys at bimmerforums have to say


:) merthp

I think my Scion is pushing about one sec.. plz.. calculating merthp... 600hp, but please I don't want agrue with you the numbers will prove it when we make videos and we dyno the car.

BTW if my Scion is pushing 600hp Bimmerboy AKA (Albert Roxas) is pushing 610 (mertHP) since he beat me by a car length.

He actually does have a video. Swear... PM him ;)

-Master Chief

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

BMWE46FI, we never said it was 410 at the wheels, of course at the flywheel.

I wont talk about E46 kits till dynoes and vids appear.

On the other side, videos of the 1100 hp M3 were made when we raced each other, at that night we had serious competition, and no Modena or M5 owner likes getting killed by a E36, they did their best, but they could not survive.
Imagine yourself in a test where an old VW Golf kills your M3 or 330ci. You will do your best, but if he has more power, you have no chance.
It was real competition.

[crazy1323]

I am not going to say that you don't have the car ready but I do not believe that you do. If i wanted to I could say that took the motor from my '71 charger and have a 800hp 330Ci. I realize that you are on a different time zone but you still should have time to post videos or dyno the car. You said that you would have the car dynoed or at least a video by monday. Right now it is the end of tuesday.

[BMWE46Fl]

BMWE46FI, we never said it was 410 at the wheels, of course at the flywheel.

I wont talk about E46 kits till dynoes and vids appear.

On the other side, videos of the 1100 hp M3 were made when we raced each other, at that night we had serious competition, and no Modena or M5 owner likes getting killed by a E36, they did their best, but they could not survive.
Imagine yourself in a test where an old VW Golf kills your M3 or 330ci. You will do your best, but if he has more power, you have no chance.
It was real competition.


:hmm: why'd you need to edit?

also, 410hp at the crank is no way possible to be enough power to make you want to stay in 4th gear all the time?? also even with that thats like 350 or 360 or so HP which will smoke a stock M3 by a few cars but i seriosuly wouldnt consider it that big of a defeat
one it starts smoking C6 Z06's thats when i would start to consider the kit fast :thumbup:

[vaio76109]

:hmm: why'd you need to edit?
You wanna see his big edit?

BMWE46FI, we never said it was 410 at the wheels, of course at the flywheel.

I wont talk about E46 kits till dynoes and vids appear.

On the other side, videos of the 1100 hp M3 were made when we raced each other, at that night we had serious competition, and no Modena or M5 owner likes getting killed by a E36, they did their best, but they could not survive. It was real competition.
BMWE46FI, we never said it was 410 at the wheels, of course at the flywheel.

I wont talk about E46 kits till dynoes and vids appear.

On the other side, videos of the 1100 hp M3 were made when we raced each other, at that night we had serious competition, and no Modena or M5 owner likes getting killed by a E36, they did their best, but they could not survive.
Imagine yourself in a test where an old VW Golf kills your M3 or 330ci. You will do your best, but if he has more power, you have no chance.
It was real competition.
Omg, call the ****ing New York Times :rolleyes:

[TaZaM3]

Finally some guys actually make sense. Now where's Mell330 to come call everyone in this thread a hater.


Even a 410hp 330 will not put 6-7 car lengths on an m3. Not with it's stock gearing. Trying to hype a product so much by its own owner is alittle degrading.

[K-DOG]

Finally some guys actually make sense. Now where's Mell330 to come call everyone in this thread a hater.


Even a 410hp 330 will not put 6-7 car lengths on an m3. Not with it's stock gearing. Trying to hype a product so much by its own owner is alittle degrading.

Actually, with its stock gearing (2.93), which is pretty long, is great for turbos. FYI.

[BMWE46Fl]

You wanna see his big edit?



Omg, call the ****ing New York Times :rolleyes:


:lmao: :lmao: now you even went to go edit your post :lmao: :lmao:

[vaio76109]

:lmao: :lmao: now you even went to go edit your post :lmao: :lmao:
:lmao: You got me!

[david05111]

Any new information??

[K-DOG]

Any new information??

LoL.....I hope this isnt like ATP, "coming next month".

[kidplatinum]

damn....this whole FI issue is turning into the flaming and bashing over at the DDE issue with the buyers and all the vendors. All I have to say is when will some vendors open shop in Sarasota :dunno: I don't feel like driving 3 hours plus to miami and leave my car there for the weekend or longer to get this done. Heck even Tampa wouldn't be so far :thumbsup:

Just go to True Performance of Sarasota....They can do anything you want....That shop has connections with other people in town that build race equipment for all types and levels of racing...you would never even know they are there....I didn't. David Graves is the dude you want to speak with...the office people will tell you he is busy but just keep bugging them until the put him on the phone....or ask something technical and they will go get him....LOL. If I roll with this kit I am shipping the car from Dallas to Sarasota to have it done.....put'n my money where my mouth is....lol