An installer's take on the ASA kit....not good (you guys should read) [Archive]

K-DOG

09-19-2005, 05:03 PM

Hi, well recently I was getting some stuff done at a pretty famous local place that specializes in installing turbos and doing, dyno tuning, and custom fab. They are well known around the Seattle area, and while I was there, I saw that they are in the process of installing a TT kit on a 350z and on a G35 :wow:...Anyways, I got the talking to owner of the shop about the ASA kit, expressing my interest in potentially getting one. Imagine my surprise when he said that he wouldn't even do the install unless they significantly changed/updated the kit.

He installed the kit on a local members' ZHP. These are his comments. He said that the kit is FAR from a plug and play. He said that they had grind off certain parts in the engine bay. He said that the instructions were herrendous. He said that he even spoke to the guys at Renn-Sport about relocating the hoses (that would pop off when boost was added) and that Renn-Sport wasn't really helpful....it ended up being trial and error. He then expressed his concern about the system being a bunch of work arounds--not a real solution. The asa-tronic FPR, the adjustment of the voltage on the MAF, etc. Now,I told him that some of the issues have been adressed with the Software for the EARLIER model cars (like mine, an 02), but I am still concerned about the fitment of the kit, etc. I don't want to grind off parts of my engine for a plug and play kit. Then he told me about the CEL's lighting up like a christmas tree, every couple of weeks....

The reason why I am posting this, is because I only heard a bunch of fan-boyism about Rennsport's kits. Now granted they do deserve credit for making some of the highest HP S/C kits out there, but I would like to get a responce to this, and some feedback from any of the members who have their kit. Does any of this ring true??? Please note, I am not trying to start a flame war....not at all, but I am simply trying to get the facts straight.

PS. to this day, the ZHP is still not running 100% right and throwing up CEL's once in a while from what I understand.

xxcosmicxx

09-19-2005, 05:25 PM

Interesting...

First I have heard something like this. However in Technik's defense... No turbo or blower is really "Plug and Play"

:popcorn:

vmwerks

09-19-2005, 06:06 PM

I installed mine and have had no issues at all. Maybe you need a better shop? If you purchase the Technik kit with software you would be dialed. I agree that no FI kit is plug and play. FYI tell them to tighten the hoses they will not pop off. :rolleyes:

BTW:
"The asa-tronic FPR, the adjustment of the voltage on the MAF, etc. " is all related to 1 thing and not a host of workarounds as implied.

Solid

09-19-2005, 09:16 PM

HighBoostin330

09-19-2005, 09:16 PM

The ASA FPR and the ASAtronic is removed once the ECU is flashed with Technik's software. The CEL are from the ASAtronic, but if you have the ECU flashed, there will be no more CEL lights. And CEL is hardly enough to call the dash lit up like a christmas tree. As for the modification of the engine bay, there are only several spots that need "grinding". One of them would be to drill the oil pan to tap the return line. The second would be to trim the bottom rubber engine cover to clear the intercooler piping. Other than that the kit was very well put together. Even the other techs that have worked on my car say the supercharger is very well put together. Other members on this board were able to put the kit together themselves with the assistance of Technik's tech.

Walter has been able to put the kit together nicely and from what he has stated, he is not a very happy with products that do not fit correctly as stated. As for the directions, Technik has issued a supplemental manual for the installation of the ASA.

I heard that another supercharger system had issues with popping off of vacuum hoses, but tightening the clamps would work or some hair spray will fix that right up.

vmwerks

09-19-2005, 09:41 PM

Hairspray? I tried it and it didn't work as advertised..... I am still bald!!!!

ASAED330, SOLID... great comments.. There are no ASA "directions" per se. I received a parts listing with some diagrams and the Rennsport supplemental. As for the install if you understand what is going on and how the systems work you won't have too many issues. There are people that install in their garages with less issues than were stated on the post. All kits have room for improvement but 1 persons opinion is just that, opinion. I am sure in his experience he had some issues but they are not insurmountable. My sales manager converted his automatic Nissan 300zx into a twin turbo manual. All with hand tools and in his garage...

Mr Paddle.Shift

09-19-2005, 10:41 PM

Ahh...the good ol' ASA manual. :lmao:

That's hardly a step-by-step manual to begin with. It's a folder of CAD diagrams and a list of parts. Even if you can read the diagrams, you will still need intuition and experiences to install the kit. Zolti used that manual to figure out how to install the first few kits and I don't see why any competent tech couldn't.

k-dog, if you have read most of my track reports, I have one of the earliest ASA SK1 kit that survived 17 track events already and still running strong. I have nothing but praise for this kit. Best investment ever for performance and reliability.

K-DOG

09-20-2005, 01:47 AM

What shop was it? If it was CarbConn, that was my car :)

Yea they did have lots of problems because of the lack of directions (this was before rennsports version). For non ms45 kits, there's software now, the kit is pretty complete.

There's grinding for the ASA bracket, but not too the car itself.

Yes this was about your car hehe, but I did not want to say anything in case you wanted it confidential. Anyways, is your car running ok yet?

Solid

09-20-2005, 01:48 AM

Yea, it's been running fine for over a year now, no CEL even with the ASAtronic. Waiting for the technik software upgrade for the MS45 :)

vmwerks

09-20-2005, 02:30 AM

^^^ Get in line, you can be second... :thumbup:

K-DOG

09-20-2005, 03:23 AM

Yea, it's been running fine for over a year now, no CEL even with the ASAtronic. Waiting for the technik software upgrade for the MS45 :)

Do you still have that power dip halfway through your RPM?

Solid

09-20-2005, 03:39 AM

Yea, that's something BMW needs to fix, or Technik's software.

samir@technik

09-20-2005, 12:31 PM

K-DOG: First, we didn't "design" the kit. That was ASA. What we've done is simply improve the weakpoints on the kit by putting out a step-by-step supplement to aid in the installation, since ASA's are nothing more than CAD diagrams (which are helpful if you are a skilled tech, but most shops need a step-by-step tutorial). We also designed a larger, more efficient intercooler and developed a rock-solid ECU upgrade for MS42/43 that is also currently in the works for MS45 cars. This will fix a problem in ZHPs and 03.5+ cars that BMW should have fixed a while ago. The supercharger is not to blame for the dip...this is a pre-existing issue in the factory software.

Secondly, there are NO modifications to the engine bay, everything is entirely reversable. Therefore, before you take the opinions of a shop that clearly doesn't have the facts in order, I suggest you do a search on people that have owned this kit for the past 2 years, those that have tracked it, those that have installed it properly, thost that have upgraded to the software/intercooler, etc. I think you'll find the feedback from these people contradicts what you've heard from this "shop".

That being said, we are still developing better components for the kit, which will ultimately make this the most complete, compact and powerful E46 kit on the market...fully tuned and tested. Believe me, I more than anyone, want to release the MS45 software so we can finally realize the true potential of these cars and complete the entire E46 lineup with software upgrades. We are working very hard to get this done, alongside many other projects, which will come out over the coming months.

K-DOG

09-20-2005, 01:45 PM

Secondly, there are NO modifications to the engine bay, everything is entirely reversable. Therefore, before you take the opinions of a shop that clearly doesn't have the facts in order, I suggest you do a search on people that have owned this kit for the past 2 years, those that have tracked it, those that have installed it properly, thost that have upgraded to the software/intercooler, etc. I think you'll find the feedback from these people contradicts what you've heard from this "shop".

Samir, first of all, thank you for replying. Now let me address some of the things you mentioned. One of the reasons I did post it, is because I do know very well what members have been saying about your kits....however, everything seemed very one-sided, so when someone actually doesn't like the kit, I wanted to know why....and I think i gave a VERY detailed description. I just wanted to know if any of the criticisms rang true to other member's experience. Obviously the owner of this shop has nothing to gain by saying this, in fact he said he wouldn't want to do an install of that kit again unless it was improved a whole lot...That is a VERY bold statement in itself (refusing to get paid), so I just wanted some feedback.

Personally, I wasn't aware that you needed to grind stuff in the engine bay... Could someone please re-iterate, what gets eliminated from the kit when one gets it with the software. I imagine the FPR is gone, but do we still need to adjust the voltage in the MAF? What are the changes basically....TIA, appreciate it.

Solid

09-20-2005, 02:05 PM

The tecknik upgrade gets rid of the RRFPR, and the ASATronic, you don't need to grind anything on the car. Only the ASA bracket needs some grinding, which isn't part of the car.

samir@technik

09-20-2005, 02:11 PM

Samir, first of all, thank you for replying. Now let me address some of the things you mentioned. One of the reasons I did post it, is because I do know very well what members have been saying about your kits....however, everything seemed very one-sided,

It's not really "one-sided", it's simply positive feedback, which IMO is more important than one shop's opinion. Who's to say what motivates that shop from bashing one kit over another? Are they resellers of a competitors product? Did they simply not follow the directions? There are many reasons why they may have a negative view about a kit. What's more important is what do the people that actually own the kit have to say? In this case, I'd say the overwhelming majority (especially those that have our upgraded components) have very positive things to say.

so when someone actually doesn't like the kit, I wanted to know why....and I think i gave a VERY detailed description.

Yes, but the description wasn't really valid. They cited reasons which simply aren't true. There is nothing in the engine bay that needs to be modified. The only things that are altered are the powersteering bracket (which needs to be milled slightly) and the oil pan (which is tapped with a proper oil return fitting, not using the dipstick return). The modification to the powersteering bracket is a non-issue which does not present a problem if you decide to uninstall the kit later and tapping the oil pan is also a highly common practice for turbocharger or supercharger kits, so that is not unusual either.

I just wanted to know if any of the criticisms rang true to other member's experience. Obviously the owner of this shop has nothing to gain by saying this

How do you know that?

in fact he said he wouldn't want to do an install of that kit again unless it was improved a whole lot...That is a VERY bold statement in itself (refusing to get paid), so I just wanted some feedback.

As Solid stated, that was the first generation ASA kit, which we have improved quite a bit. So whatever gripes this shop may have about the old kit, are not valid for the new kits.

Personally, I wasn't aware that you needed to grind stuff in the engine bay...

You don't. It's just a bracket. Nothing in the engine bay is "grinded".

Could someone please re-iterate, what gets eliminated from the kit when one gets it with the software. I imagine the FPR is gone, but do we still need to adjust the voltage in the MAF? What are the changes basically....TIA, appreciate it.

All you do is plug the ECU in and install the larger injectors, that's it.

K-DOG

09-20-2005, 09:03 PM

How do you know that?

How do I know, well lets see....because they wouldn't install your kit even if I paid them money. I don't know about you, but I don't know too many people who would decline getting paid....

Other than that, anyways, I think you have addressed all the issues adequately. Thanks, Samir.

PS. The same guy also told me that AA is not worth it because of the hp/$$.

samir@technik

09-20-2005, 10:55 PM

How do I know, well lets see....because they wouldn't install your kit even if I paid them money.

Not sure how many times we've said this, but we are not ASA, we did not design the kit...it is not "our" kit. If you or this shop has a problem with the basic ASA kit, then take it up with ASA, not us.

I don't know about you, but I don't know too many people who would decline getting paid....

That is their loss then. All the gripes they mentioned about the kit to you are simply untrue (ie. engine bay modifications) or are no longer a problem (ie. lack of software, small intercooler, etc.) thanks to our upgrades. The instruction manual we came out with has been used by many individuals themselves to install their own kit without the assistance of a shop. As far as the ZHP/MS45 cars, as Solid stated, since the car's been dialed in, there haven't been any issues besides the "4K dip", which affects ALL ZHP vehicles. So I ask: if the person that owns the car himself doesn't have a problem with it, then why do you and this "shop" care so much?

PS. The same guy also told me that AA is not worth it because of the hp/$$.

Is that why they sell AA on their site? Great philosophy.

http://www.carbconn.com/bmw-active.php3 <= makes sense now

(the whole premise behind this post is suspect to say the least)

HIGH_HEAT

09-21-2005, 12:24 AM

28000 miles and still going strong on my car .. pulls hard as hell =-D

it cant be that bad if they put in a recent magazine a X3 3.0L with asa kit and stated out of 790 kits none had failed.

K-DOG

09-21-2005, 12:53 AM

http://www.carbconn.com/bmw-active.php3 <= makes sense now

(the whole premise behind this post is suspect to say the least)

LoL you can suspect whatever you want. Call CarbConn, and ASK John what he thinks about YOUR kit. (you can even reference the conversation he had with Alex) I say its your kit not because you made it, but because you market it, support it, and stand behind the product. And he did say the AA kit for the E46 330 is not worth it....doesnt mean that the AA TURBO products that they sell for the e36 are in the same category. :banghead:

PS. Samir, think about your implications. You are implying that I made the entire story up because I don't have the nuts to state my opinion?? I would have no problem saying that the ASA kit sucks....but I actually don't think so myself. Why must you go get all childish and question peoples integrity when someone asks a legitimate question about your product?? Way to be a great retailer.... :rofl:

What
a
joke.

jtecnik

09-21-2005, 03:54 AM

1 1/2 years with kit, upgraded software, and injectors......

no problem

no issues,

no lights,

just pure fun........... :rofl:

MrBlonde

09-21-2005, 04:38 AM

LoL you can suspect whatever you want. Call CarbConn, and ASK John what he thinks about YOUR kit. (you can even reference the conversation he had with Alex) I say its your kit not because you made it, but because you market it, support it, and stand behind the product. And he did say the AA kit for the E46 330 is not worth it....doesnt mean that the AA TURBO products that they sell for the e36 are in the same category. :banghead:

PS. Samir, think about your implications. You are implying that I made the entire story up because I don't have the nuts to state my opinion?? I would have no problem saying that the ASA kit sucks....but I actually don't think so myself. Why must you go get all childish and question peoples integrity when someone asks a legitimate question about your product?? Way to be a great retailer.... :rofl:

What
a
joke.
The only joke here is the one played on you by your trusted workshop. The ASA/Infinitas kits are acknowledged worldwide to be very good.

There are numerous real world people who have had it installed and love it.

thekubiaks

09-21-2005, 07:59 AM

Interesting...

First I have heard something like this. However in Technik's defense... No turbo or blower is really "Plug and Play"

:popcorn:

I have no affiliation whatsoever with ESS and have had two of their S/C's. Their software and hardware are well engineered and ESS is very helpful. I haven't had any installation issues or software issues on either S/C (VT1 or TX2). I am going to dyno the TX2 this week and find out what kind of power I am really getting.

thekubiaks

09-21-2005, 08:04 AM

Hairspray? I tried it and it didn't work as advertised..... I am still bald!!!!

YES, Hairspray is what I had to use on the TX2 intercooler output pipe which is the pipe just prior to the throttle body. It would pop off under maximum boost. After the hairspray trick, I haven't had a problem since.

Nt_loader

09-22-2005, 02:00 AM

Over 2 years and 20k miles on the kit, still holding up :pimpin:

And about the kit not being plug and play, well I installed the kit myself, and it was my first one. The only think I had to grind down was the alternator bracket. Maybe the installer you speak of is a jack ass :P

vaio76109

09-22-2005, 03:06 AM

Secondly, there are NO modifications to the engine bay, everything is entirely reversable.

There is nothing in the engine bay that needs to be modified. The only things that are altered are the powersteering bracket (which needs to be milled slightly) and the oil pan (which is tapped with a proper oil return fitting, not using the dipstick return). The modification to the powersteering bracket is a non-issue which does not present a problem if you decide to uninstall the kit later and tapping the oil pan is also a highly common practice for turbocharger or supercharger kits, so that is not unusual either.

You don't. It's just a bracket. Nothing in the engine bay is "grinded".
How many times can you contradict yourself?

samir@technik

09-22-2005, 03:48 AM

How many times can you contradict yourself?

Since when did engine bay = engine? The bracket and oil pan are ON THE ENGINE. :read:

Pop-Quiz Time:

Does this...

He said that they had grind off certain parts in the engine bay.

mean the same thing as this...

He said that they had grind off certain parts on the engine

Or are you going to bring up the "puffs" vs. "kleenex" issue again? :lmao:

samir@technik

09-22-2005, 03:51 AM

What
a
joke.

I think MrBlonde summed it up pretty well. Nothing further to add.

The only joke here is the one played on you by your trusted workshop. The ASA/Infinitas kits are acknowledged worldwide to be very good.

There are numerous real world people who have had it installed and love it.

vaio76109

09-22-2005, 03:51 AM

So your saying the engine isnt in the engine bay?

But thats not the point, the following is:

"Secondly, there are NO modifications to the engine bay, everything is entirely reversable."
"The only things that are altered are the powersteering bracket (which needs to be milled slightly) and the oil pan (which is tapped with a proper oil return fitting, not using the dipstick return). "

samir@technik

09-22-2005, 04:18 AM

So your saying the engine isnt in the engine bay?

Huh? :hmm:

Dude, it's not hard. I already explained the difference. If you don't get it, then I'm sorry.

Engine bay does not = Engine

Do you supercharge your engine bay?

Do you add oil to your engine bay?

Do you put headers on your engine bay?

Should I continue?

But thats not the point, the following is:

"Secondly, there are NO modifications to the engine bay, everything is entirely reversable."

Right...as stated:

1) There are NO modifications to the engine bay. The engine bay is part of the front clip/chassis. The chassis is not modified or "grinded" to fit this kit. Get it? :read:

2) Everything is entirely reversable. (it is)

If you don't get that, then you're lost. This thread has failed to make it's point and now you're failing to make your point.

668Ci

09-22-2005, 05:19 AM

Engine bay does not = Engine

Do you supercharge your engine bay?

Do you add oil to your engine bay?

Do you put headers on your engine bay?

Should I continue? LOL...Sorry this is too funny http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Nt_loader

09-22-2005, 08:53 AM

Dam haters, why dont you go lube your asses with jlevi :flipoff:

greenohawk69

09-22-2005, 01:31 PM

Right...as stated:

1) There are NO modifications to the engine bay. The engine bay is part of the front clip/chassis. The chassis is not modified or "grinded" to fit this kit. Get it? :read:

2) Everything is entirely reversable. (it is)

If you don't get that, then you're lost. This thread has failed to make it's point and now you're failing to make your point.[/QUOTE]

Question on #2. If one was to reverse the tapping of the oil pan, how is that "reversed"?

vaio76109

09-22-2005, 01:52 PM

Question on #2. If one was to reverse the tapping of the oil pan, how is that "reversed"?
And how is the grinded mount reversed? Ive made my point in this thread, dont expect a reply :thanks: .

samir@technik

09-22-2005, 02:26 PM

Question on #2. If one was to reverse the tapping of the oil pan, how is that "reversed"?

The kit includes a flange which seals the hole if the kit is removed.

FYI: This isn't the only kit in the world that taps the oil pan. It's a common and proper procedure for the majority of turbocharger/supercharger kits out there, regardless of brand or vehicle make.

samir@technik

09-22-2005, 03:01 PM

And how is the grinded mount reversed?

It's not a mount. It's a bracket. There are 2 versions, steel and aluminum. If the car has the steel bracket, then you don't need to mill anything. Instead you simply use the supplied spacers to align the supercharger bracket in it's correct position. If the SC is removed, then the spacers are taken out and the bracket is bolted back into place using the stock bolts.

If the car has the aluminum bracket, then 6mm is milled off to position the SC bracket correctly with the belt system. If the SC is removed, the bracket is simply reinstalled with 6mm shorter bolts. It does not affect the position of the power steering pump in any way.

So as stated, everything is completely reversable with minimal effort/cost.

Ive made my point in this thread

Not really. You have no point.

HighBoostin330

09-22-2005, 04:17 PM

Not really. You have no point.

vaio76109 is :owned:

MarvelPhx

09-22-2005, 05:23 PM

Or... you get the ESS TX-2 kit and get this:

Same ASA TM12 blower/IC system, but...
No milling.
No grinding.
No drilling the oil pan.
No ASAtronic.
No RRFPR.
No missing software.
No missing injectors.
No CELs.
No hesitation.
Custom silicone hoses instead of flex tubing.
No need for two bypass valves.
Custom vacuum ball valve for quicker throttle response.

And no worries on ZHP, they have that software too...

And lastly, ESS is here in the states now, look for them soon in sunny San Deigo. So much for the "but they are in Norway" complaints.

Also... if you knew what they are secretly up to, all of this RennSport vs Technik vs ESS vs AA vs ASA talk won't matter soon anyway.

Yes, I have their ZHP system, and I had one in my previous 330i... I only brag because they are really great systems.

des744

09-22-2005, 05:29 PM

This is a joke!

I don't mean to be insulting but which part of "reversible" is so difficult to understand???

The main point of tecknik argument is that Kdog does not want to alter his engine bay for the fear that its rather obvious that it may have some irreversible factors that may affect him should he decides to have his SC removed in the future!

Tecknik simply points out that it is a reversible action, which is - as meant: REVERSIBLE! Revert back to NA configuration. 2 way action! Simple.

Why do some members like to pick on the most minor details/vocab/etc just to have a all out debate/arguments or what have you....and totally diverging away from the main focus of the topic? We have more important things to do in life.

Tecknik, i do not know why you have to keep replying to this out-of-hand debate about milling/grinding/engine/engine bay --- :werd: Its becoming more like a courtroom with annoying lawyers trying to make a murder right!Who the hell cares as long as its "reversible" back to NA(yes, the magic word) just to satisfy a determined forum member who is out to prove his :loco: point. which many do not see and does not help K-dog much with his concerns, really.

K dog, I am sorry to say this, I think that mech of yours is rather incompetent of the job. I have installed ASA SkII on the other side of the pacific with barely any assistance from tecknik(only a few emails) with my mechanic who barely understands english. The instructions from infinitas do not help much either.

Still, we got the job done in 2 days with modified hoses/vacum hose and a Japanese ecu piggyback system running on 3 maps! Totally different concept from tecknik! and running great with NO CEL AT ALL! 285rwhp on dyno. Some minor problems do exists because we were trying to experiment with various tuning configuartions eg AFR, ignition timing etc. Fuel grade and Climate here plays a role. Hence, some of the standard ASA/ tecknik methods isnt really the best setup for us here 8000miles away. Hence, like tecknik, we play with various setups just to gain optimization accordingly. Nothing like blowing up your engine or chassis sawing if thats one of your concerns!!

On the topic of getting your engine bay cut up?
None.

Only major mods we did was with ENGINE:

#1) wield a oil return adaptor rather than a hole on the engine pan and
#2) spacer for the mounting bracket below the steering pump!

Which is BTW, very reversible! and can be undone in 5 mins. Not going to repeat what tecknik already said!

Just my feedback.

Alex_1

09-22-2005, 08:35 PM

And lastly, ESS is here in the states now, look for them soon in sunny San Deigo. So much for the "but they are in Norway" complaints.

Why San Diego? I thought you said they would open in LA.

K-DOG

09-23-2005, 12:49 AM

MarvelPhx

09-23-2005, 06:55 AM

Two words....

Cheap....er

BayerischeMW

09-23-2005, 08:38 AM

the TX2 system includes an air-to-air intercooler, which the TX1 does not.

GBX330ci

09-23-2005, 09:59 AM

No need for two bypass valves.

Is there a negative to running bypass valves? :hmm:

MrBlonde

09-23-2005, 10:44 AM

And how is the grinded mount reversed? Ive made my point in this thread, dont expect a reply :thanks: .

It seems like you've got nothing better to do than argue with someone in just about every thread posted. Everyone argues sometimes, but how about trying to post only when you can contribute something? Or at least post one positive contribution for every throw away remark?

By the way, do you own a BMW with FI? Or plan to FI a BMW? Otherwise, why are you here?

MarvelPhx

09-23-2005, 08:09 PM

Is there a negative to running bypass valves? :hmm:

The only possible reason I can think of for running two bypass valves is to release the boost pressure quicker to keep the throttle body hose from popping off or *maybe* to lengthen the life of the ICV. One of the Bosch bypass valves is more than enough to relieve the pressure at the boost levels we run. To me, two just seems like more tubing, hassle, and maintenance.

Feel free to call me wrong.

MarvelPhx

09-23-2005, 08:11 PM

the TX2 system includes an air-to-air intercooler, which the TX1 does not.

This is correct. Pretty similiar to the SKI and SKII setups.

TX-1 less boost, no IC.
TX-2 more boost, w/ IC.
TX-3...

MeteorS

09-23-2005, 08:37 PM

Technik:

Are you samir or not anymore? just curious.

samir@technik

09-23-2005, 08:50 PM

Technik:

Are you samir

Yep

GBX330ci

09-23-2005, 09:01 PM

The only possible reason I can think of for running two bypass valves is to release the boost pressure quicker to keep the throttle body hose from popping off or *maybe* to lengthen the life of the ICV. One of the Bosch bypass valves is more than enough to relieve the pressure at the boost levels we run. To me, two just seems like more tubing, hassle, and maintenance.

Feel free to call me wrong.

Well i know the stock S4 (v6tt) runs to BPV's. Not sure how much boost it runs stock, but it can't be much

rwalker

09-24-2005, 12:17 AM

B5 S4s run 0.7bar stock (~10psi). Most chips raise this to 1.1-1.2bar peak, tapering to 1.0 at redline.

-Rob

BMWtech

09-24-2005, 01:44 PM

The tecknik upgrade gets rid of the RRFPR, and the ASATronic, you don't need to grind anything on the car. Only the ASA bracket needs some grinding, which isn't part of the car.

I do believe the oil pan is tapped for a drain back tube. Yes its reverseable with a new oil pan. that does require drilling correct?

samir@technik

09-24-2005, 02:45 PM

Yes its reverseable with a new oil pan.

There is no need to replace the oil pan. This was already discussed in post #35: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3271767&postcount=35

Tapping the oil pan gives the SC a dedicated oil return feed for proper drainage and prevents any sort of oil buildup back into the compressor. The dipstick tube was not designed to have oil fed into it (let alone pressurized oil), which could present a drainage flow issue...especially for higher boost kits. I know of a few cars that tried to take a shortcut and adapt the dipstick feed instead of tapping the pan, and both ended up having crankcase pressure buildup problems. This is also an issue on some E36 Dinan SC'd cars, see post here: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4959157&postcount=31

Tapping the oil pan is simply the proper method and is employed by many other supercharger manufacturers (including Vortech). Sealing the hole if you decide to remove the SC is not a problem, therefore modifying the dipstick tube to accept an oil return [just for the sake of not having to tap the pan] is rather unnecessary. It's a must for turbochargers and an absolute recommendation for superchargers.