••ü•• SEDAN LED ANNOUNCED - REGISTER TODAY ••ü••

[umnitza]

Today we discovered some very fortunate news:

1) We have a shipment coming in on Friday/Saturday.
2) We have decided to provide only 5 of you the opportunity (this is not open to previous testers of our products) to test this before it's officially released to everyone else. Later this afternoon, the criteria for your involvement will be laid out.
3) Pricing is favorable, less than most, probably more than others, but still favorable.
http://www.umnitza.com/product_info.php?cPath=106&products_id=323
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/BMW_E46_4D_02_04_Outer_LED_TLB_Clear_Red_JE46402_LTLLcloseup .gif

Now the bad news:
1) We have not had any test cars, so we need them.
2) We want a wide variety of cars, we're getting only a specific type in this first shipment, and we were not told what was in stock at the time when it was shipped to us.

That's it for now.

5 people is what we need.
Email - DO NOT PM - us your car information and your name if you want to be involved. Pricing for you will be lower than the stated price on the site.

[BMW330xi01]

matt your my fav you introduce what i been waiting almost a year for AFTER i get rid of my e46 :slap:

guys JUMP ON THIS. matts a grea guy to work with for testing/purchases

[lgrogan116]

email sent.

you should've offered this to members first ;)

[Teriyaki]

E-mail Sent!:thumbup:

[BimmaBwoy]

Email sent

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

:woot:

[luckysnafu]

Email Sent :)

[Nuori]

Look what I started. :thanks: :eeps: :mischief:

[umnitza]

We've had a few contact us with M3s, we're really really sorry, can't do that right now:) Unless it's somehow an E46 M3 4 Door :D:D

[tstencel]

Sent E-mail.....fingers crossed....

[Nuori]

:argue: We've had a few contact us with M3s, we're really really sorry, can't do that right now:) Unless it's somehow an E46 M3 4 Door :D:D

MITE46! :lmao:

[CoconutPete]

Do you guys know if you will have the matching trunk lights available also?

[jsedlak]

Wish I could join in, but I have no money for them right now.

[JoeCrack]

E-mail sent!

[umnitza]

Do you guys know if you will have the matching trunk lights available also?
This hopefully will be decided by Friday of next week:)

[BMW330xi01]

This hopefully will be decided by Friday of next week:)

no brainer it will be SICK AS HELL to have LED trunk lights

[jdogg]

This hopefully will be decided by Friday of next week:)

Email sent. (after I had already ordered doh!)

[TitanSilber ZHP]

These look VERY oem. Any information on a red/white/red version?

[umnitza]

Email sent. (after I had already ordered doh!)
you have email.

[jdogg]

you have email.

Got it...thanks for the quick response!

[CoconutPete]

This hopefully will be decided by Friday of next week:)

Ohhhh, Sweeeet - the only thing I'd be worried about would be my old grimey looking trunk lights not matching the new ones.

[easyman]

red white red

[umnitza]

red white red
yes, that refrain has been heard, but it's not likely to happen due to OEM compliance requirements on this product.

[BimmaBwoy]

OEM compliance requirements??? please further explain....

[Billmister]

bump

[umnitza]

OEM compliance requirements??? please further explain....
Sorry, OEM - DOT.

[jersey]

matt, check u're email

[MITE46]

Emailed! =)

[jersey]

awww crap...there goes all our odds down by 1 now that ^^^^^^ emailed

[jEEliX]

Emailed! =)

Damnit! :bawling: :lmao:

[BMWPower06]

Emailed! =)
:lmao: :lmao:

[umnitza]

Thanks for all the emails, we're working out a lottery system to make it happen.

[JC7727]

This hopefully will be decided by Friday of next week:)
Matt E-Mail Sent :thumbup:

[Jlevi SW]

We've got one set claimed for our sedan here ;)
JL

[TitanSilber ZHP]

Sorry, OEM - DOT.


:(

[bunnykiller67]

wooo.. Im local, I can test for you :)

[Born Again]

Look what I started. :thanks: :eeps: :mischief:
thats right u discovered LED's

too bad its not the newer 02+ look - those look nice

[umnitza]

Ok, good news bad news.

First the bad news:
1 Day's delay, which will likely push the delivery/arrival to Monday

Now, the good news:
We will have a working test bed in 24 hours from delivery.

Still more good news coming soon once details are figured out.

[Kalpesh]

email sent, if you need a tester for a UK car

[MaNgA]

$335.99 -------- $289.99

How is the price dropped when you haven't even started selling them yet?

For $290 someone's making good $ out of this. Suppose with this demand people will pay it.

[Presns323i]

damn thats hot, too bad i like facelift style
wanna pm me the price anyways?

[umnitza]

We're selling them at the introductory price - lower than others, more than some, the LED for the coupe were far more expensive at introduction.

[anakbabe]

We're selling them at the introductory price - lower than others, more than some, the LED for the coupe were far more expensive at introduction.

Emailed!!! I've been waiting a year for this :thumbup:

[ferrarix99]

email sent, fingers crossed.

[umnitza]

Thanks for the emails:) We've changed the title so that it more accurately reflects what we are doing.

We will put all the names into a fishbowl and pick them out. No favoritism here.

[TitanSilber ZHP]

anakbabe

I like you sig! :P

[anakbabe]

anakbabe

I like you sig! :P

HAHAHHAHAHA that's nice! :lmao: :lmao:

[anakbabe]

ps: Matt, if I send you more emails will that increase my chance of getting picked :)

[phatmustang73]

interested in the LED tails! hey umnitza, would these tails come with matching clear trunk lights for facelifted sedans?

[umnitza]

I'm sure we'll able to source those as well.

[phatmustang73]

sounds good:thumbup: the red/white border of the trunk lights should be able to sit flush with the red/white border of these LED tail lights right?

[europass]

Nothing for coupe's huh?:dunno:

[BMWPower06]

Nothing for coupe's huh?:dunno:
Go OEM on coupe LEDs:hi:

[europass]

Go OEM on coupe LEDs:hi:
So What was the final price?

[BMWPower06]

So What was the final price?
PM Sent

[umnitza]

I have some pretty cool news for y'all the products are on their way already, here on Monday - maybe even Saturday for the "reveal"...those of you local yokels that want to drop by our shop to check out, please give us a call on Saturday morning to confirm arrival.

And the coolest news? The factory we are getting them from is claiming Euro/US compatibility without multiple part numbers sticking to our desire to simplify parts purchasing. :D

[umnitza]

I have some pretty cool news for y'all the products are on their way already, here on Monday - maybe even Saturday for the "reveal"...those of you local yokels that want to drop by our shop to check out, please give us a call on Saturday morning to confirm arrival.

And the coolest news? The factory we are getting them from is claiming Euro/US compatibility without multiple part numbers sticking to our desire to simplify parts purchasing. :D
Some pictures for y'all, no gussied up catalog shots anymore!!! Woohoo:)

[BimmaBwoy]

not to be picky but on the turnsignal part is there an LED or two out? and on the brake portion is the outer ring lit when you hit the brakes??? awesome product and i think you guys are actually the first to show actual shots of the product vs catalog shots.. kudos to you!!!

-Kern

[umnitza]

Not sure if it's a reflection:) They arrive on Saturday, so we'll double check, I think that was 1 of the tester sets.

[ADA]

Not sure if it's a reflection:) They arrive on Saturday, so we'll double check, I think that was 1 of the tester sets.


God damn Matt! My timing is way off. I waited so long to get the LED tailights. I guess I have to wait another year until I get back.

Keep up the good work and post more pictures when you get them. I look forward to seeing them.

Bill

[umnitza]

God damn Matt! My timing is way off. I waited so long to get the LED tailights. I guess I have to wait another year until I get back.

Keep up the good work and post more pictures when you get them. I look forward to seeing them.

Bill
You already know how I feel about your service to our country, if there is ANYTHING I can do to make it easier for you, all you have to do is ask.

[umnitza]

Arrival in SF tomorrow, delivery in our hands Saturday predicted.

[jersey]

woooohoooo....cant wait.

Alun - your canadian buddy

[umnitza]

:d

[MaNgA]

Some pictures for y'all, no gussied up catalog shots anymore!!! Woohoo:)

is it just me or are the outer LEDs on the left more concave than the ones on the far right?

[MITE46]

i agree i noticed that too...hopefully the final version isn't like that or else i think it would look strange...

[tim330i]

This thread is now re-opened. We are awaiting more information from the manufacture about a potential recall on this product. At this time we have no direct information from the manufacturer supporting or disproving anything. We are attempting to get definitive information but at this time we have no solid reason to believe there are any issues.

If you have any saftey concern about products that you may have purchased or placed an order for please contact the retail you purchased them from.

Any further arguing in this thread will not be tolerated.

The E46Fanatics.com Team

[jdogg]

Umnitza, I have a set headed to me next week.

Will the matching trunk lights be available then?

Any idea when this recall info will be released, understood, explained.

Thanks to all...

[ADA]

This is obvious a slander campaign and not a safey campaign.

Jim is telling people he is concerns about people buying pre-production lights due to their safety/fire/death hazards. However, when being ask a very LEGIMATE question Jim is no longer too concern with my safety anymore.

I asked Jim, as a consumer how I know that the LED lights that I am getting is indeed a FINAL release version and not the "dangerous" pre-production one.

Since there are so many sources (ebay, autowerks, umnitza, and various online vendors and sponsors) the room for "ERROR" is very very possible. The room of error is even possible if I am buying it from autowerks (the store Jim is recommending).

There must be an inspection stamp and/or date. Are there any DOT or UHL approval stamps to seperate the pre and post production lights? Jim refuse to answer my question and is currently evading it.

if he is truely concern about my safety and the safety of the members on this board he could EASILY answer my question since he claimed he help invented/innovate/design/research these LED lights.


http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3618012#post3618012

[ADA]

Every safety campaign or recall in the HISTORY of business have a way to distinguished and identify the possible defected/recall products from the 100% working one.

IE. BMW is recalling all 3 series with the following vin number: xxx. xxx. xxx
SONY is recalling all TVs that were produced from the following dates: xxx through xxx

What Jim is doing is nothing more than a scare tactics.

Basically he is saying "buy from me and autowerks" because everyone else have the defective product. Of course, he is using "his safety concerns" as a smoke screen to hide and mask his slandering campaign.

Once again, if this is a legitmate recall then How do I as a customer know whether the LED tail lights I am buying is the pre-production or final production version?

I think my question warrants an immediate answer

[ADA]

...[there is no problem] All of them [LED lights] being sold will eventually
be delivered off one of my POs to the factory....

....Autowerks will post pictures of production units when they arrive in
this country. At that time consumers can look at those pictures and what
they have in-hand. If its not the same as far as stickers and
markings, I suggest that the consumer consider getting an exchange for a
production set.

....All the rest of this is really quite funny. I will sell all of the
lights in one form or another to the distribution channel. There are no
other sources....


Originally posted and deleted by Jim Powell. I will summarize

1) There is no problem because all LED lights will come from the same factory
2) Even though the safey risk is very high there is no "sure sure tails" of identify a pre and final production ligh. Just compare the pictures. Don't worry too much about the internal wiring and water/fire concerns.
3) I am laughing because I am the only one that is distrubing the lights. therefore, I am going to make a huge profit.

[umnitza]

Let's all take 2 maybe 3 steps back and cool off.

At this time, there is no official word from our contacts about any recall. Should there be a possibility of any recall, as related to any other product or this one, we will always be happy to notify anyone.

To this date, not one of our released products has ever been recalled. Other companies have many recalls, is it because we do a better job of testing? Is it that the products we choose in the first place are production quality units? Is it that our customers are savvy about what they are buying and understand what they are putting on their cars. Probably all three:)

No non-vendor should be posting on this thread attempting to instill fear into the public. It's clear that many may or may not lend credibility where none is due, that's fine, but please give us the benefit of the doubt to make sure we continue to do what's right and in your best interest.

As more information is available from credible sources, we'll keep you informed.

This product is the owned by Eagle Eyes, everyone is welcome to buy from them directly or not. Unlike the Predator Chromium product, this one is largely open to the buyers in the free markets all over the world. We're just invoking our free market rights to purchase on behalf of you the customer:)

Lots of rumor mongering will not help the situation, so let's just back up and understand that the testing of course - as always - will be thoroughly taken care of by us...there is a reason we started this thread the way we did and we have over 100 names of people willing to take part in the program in just 2 days on just 1 forum announcement.

As mentioned previously, every name added to the list will go into a lottery, as usually, the more people that enter the lesser your odds are.

[umnitza]

UPDATE: Production Units Have Cleared Customs - Expected Delivery Tomorrow:)

[Nuori]

I love how my post was just deleted when all I asked was a reasonable question about this whole uproar.

Why are the innocent posts deleted and not just the original one that started this whole "recall" issue? I don't know what to believe or who anymore because of all these supposed "rumors." It's pretty frustrating on the consumer side and to weed out the garbage that's been said. It makes no difference now that I saw the earlier words. I don't ticked off often, but this is ridiculous; no recall, yes recall stuff and then delete it all.

[umnitza]

I love how my post was just deleted when all I asked was a reasonable question about this whole uproar.

Why are the innocent posts deleted and not just the original one that started this whole "recall" issue? I don't know what to believe or who anymore because of all these supposed "rumors." It's pretty frustrating on the consumer side and to weed out the garbage that's been said. It makes no difference now that I saw the earlier words. I don't ticked off often, but this is ridiculous; no recall, yes recall stuff and then delete it all.
Please contact the moderators with any issues you might have regarding this "uproar" - they'll be the best to explain what was done and why it was done. We don't know either.

As far as consumer side, tomorrow, we get product, tomorrow we test product, tomorrow, more pictures get posted:)

Brad, if you are in Rocklin, it's not terribly far, but you are welcome to come by our shop in Pleasanton tomorrow and meet us and talk about the product:)

[umnitza]

Customs cleared, we are going to the PO to grab them, hopefully have pics by mid day.

[umnitza]

We need a tester NOW.

First come first served. They are here.

[JC7727]

Send!!!!!!!!!!

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Matt,

I'm back in town the 13th, Jon and I may make a little trip over. :)

[ABC330i]

you've got mail....!

Liz

[umnitza]

Matt,

I'm back in town the 13th, Jon and I may make a little trip over. :)
See you then:)

[umnitza]

Some pictures:
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led2.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led3.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led4.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led5.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led6.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led7.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led1.sized.jpg

[Custom3]

wow...those are sexy

[umnitza]

which picture did it for you? the 3rd or the 4th;) :D

[Custom3]

that last shot showing the whole tailight....looks clean...very nice

[VoteForPedro]

Niceness!!! Any installed pictures yet? :thanks:

[JC7727]

:drool:

[umnitza]

that last shot showing the whole tailight....looks clean...very nice
Had a no show today:( He said he was coming, but must have gotten lost:(:(

Gabriel, if you see this, please email us and let us know what happened.

[netengwiz]

Those lights look good Matt!

[MaNgA]

Can you take a pic of the whole light, similar to your last pic but from front on (no angle) so we can see the layout of the LED's? Any trunk lights?

Thanks mate

[RidinBimmerz]

when will more sets be available?

[umnitza]

When we are comfortable that these units perform like we expect:)

We will be testing it on 2 different model year ranges as soon as humanly possible.

Those local to us are welcome to stop in and test fit, it will not guarantee you the product, but it will win you some brownie points;)

[bmwstephen]

Do the testers get to keep one or possible get a really good discount? :craig: if so i'll bring my car down ASAP

[DanteArizona]

Is is just me or am I all alone in wanting to see some of these LED tails installed on a actual vehicle. 1 billion picture of the lights alone, in a box, on a table, on a stool, in a hand, in a catalog, on a wish list, from another vehicle...how about....I dunno....on a friggin BMW sedan?

Call me impatient...but hype without substance is still that....

:rolleyes:

[Nuori]

Is is just me or am I all alone in wanting to see some of these LED tails installed on a actual vehicle. 1 billion picture of the lights alone, in a box, on a table, on a stool, in a hand, in a catalog, on a wish list, from another vehicle...how about....I dunno....on a friggin BMW sedan?

Call me impatient...but hype without substance is still that....

:rolleyes:

I totally agree. It's getting old.

[MITE46]

Send me a set and you'll have pix right away..=p Heck I can prolly test fit on a bunch of demo cars at the dealer...hmmmm....

[doodle]

Why doesn't someone from NorCal just drive down?

I would if I had my bro's ZHP :D.. but it's not mine so... then again, I do have a lot of time on my hands, but I'm sure at the same time a million of you guys would be appreciative.

Someone with time just drive down to umnitza's.. and also please have CLEAR TRUNK lights. Bring a cell phone just in case you get lost too.. lol.

[umnitza]

Send me a set and you'll have pix right away..=p Heck I can prolly test fit on a bunch of demo cars at the dealer...hmmmm....
Has to be someone local first:)

[ADA]

any updates? pictures?

[umnitza]

any updates? pictures?
Waiting for a user to show up today, all the sets are here.

[MITE46]

I can't believe no one has showed up yet...what is going on? are there no sedans around east bay?!?!

[jdogg]

Waiting for a user to show up today, all the sets are here.

Any trunk lights that match this pattern?

[netengwiz]

Waiting for a user to show up today, all the sets are here.

Wish I knew you were looking for someone, I could have stopped by this past weekend. i thought you already had someone lined up.

[umnitza]

NetEng - come on by Wednesday?

[jdogg]

Any trunk lights that match this pattern?

And again....any trunk lights that match this pattern?

[umnitza]

There are trunk lights that will come close, but not exactly. Sorry, missed your last question.

[jdogg]

There are trunk lights that will come close, but not exactly. Sorry, missed your last question.

NP, thanks for the answer. Any pics of said trunk lights?

Also, I think everyone is still wondering what happened with the "recall"? Was it all a hoax? if not have the 'production' units been shipped?

Sorry if this is controversial, but there's never been a solid answer except that the lights seemed to show up @ Umnitza and AutoWerks at about the same date. That would mean these are all fully tested production models? I'm sure all the vendors could sell more if this was put to rest. I don't think anyone wants to plug something into their $40K car that might fry something.

Thanks to Matt, and anyone else for info here! :)

[umnitza]

This is a touchy question to answer and rest assured by mid day I'll have one for you:)

The pictures of the trunk lights would be no different than those of the 2003-5 Sedan trunk lights, the key is how do they look together and THAT we need a car for. If all else fails, I'm going to the dealer today, I've had enough waiting:)

[jdogg]

This is a touchy question to answer and rest assured by mid day I'll have one for you:)

The pictures of the trunk lights would be no different than those of the 2003-5 Sedan trunk lights, the key is how do they look together and THAT we need a car for. If all else fails, I'm going to the dealer today, I've had enough waiting:)

Thanks Matt. We all look forward to that info and I'm sure it'll help sell a ton of these. (they look wonderful)

Someone get to Matt's place and let's get some on car pics!!!

[netengwiz]

NetEng - come on by Wednesday?

Yes, I'll be there.

[ADA]

Yes, I'll be there.

Great! You better not be a C O C K tease. Take plenty of pictures regardless if you sign a Non-disclosure agreement or not.

[jdogg]

This is a touchy question to answer and rest assured by mid day I'll have one for you:)


Any update on this info? Thanks!

[netengwiz]

Great! You better not be a C O C K tease. Take plenty of pictures regardless if you sign a Non-disclosure agreement or not.

LOL!

[umnitza]

NP, thanks for the answer. Any pics of said trunk lights?

Also, I think everyone is still wondering what happened with the "recall"? Was it all a hoax? if not have the 'production' units been shipped?

Sorry if this is controversial, but there's never been a solid answer except that the lights seemed to show up @ Umnitza and AutoWerks at about the same date. That would mean these are all fully tested production models? I'm sure all the vendors could sell more if this was put to rest. I don't think anyone wants to plug something into their $40K car that might fry something.

Thanks to Matt, and anyone else for info here! :)

Well, who wants to see a video of them on the car?
How about pictures:)

The folks at B&S Hacienda almost fell over their tongues looking at these - so they let us have access to their car for testing - mind you, it's not pretty - you'll see in the videos - but the car is operational and working just fine:)

Who wants to see a video?:hi:

[Custom3]

i want me some video!:hi:

[umnitza]

i want me some video!:hi:
Keep in mind, yes, I know, I should be finishing the video;), these are ONLY our production. What other vendors may or may not have is NOT part of this video at all.

This is our full production units that we received and have in stock at this time in a very limited quantity...

Now, I KNOW there are more people that want to see a video;)

[Solid]

video now :)

[Custom3]

:popcorn:

[umnitza]

only two? come on now;)

ok ok, here you go:
http://www.umnitza.com/ledtails.wmv

It's a short vid, you'll have to run it twice to get the "full effect".

[SammyV]

comeon buddy lets see it :thumbup:

[MITE46]

YaY it works! Finally...=)

[Solid]

how about some pics with the trunk lights? I'm wondering how they look with the sedan clears or OE trunk lights.

[umnitza]

how about some pics with the trunk lights? I'm wondering how they look with the sedan clears or OE trunk lights.
here we go;) :D

How about pics with your grandmother holding them? How about when the Sun is setting? How about when it's rising? How about when you put chameleon paint on the car? How about if you drive 50/70/80/90/100/120 ?

J/K - more pictures will come, tomorrow more than likely:) :D

[CynicalWry]

nice :)

[Billmister]

what's up with the music playing in the background?????

[SammyV]

looks pretty good :thumbup:

[umnitza]

Now, you guys know that we will not release this until we are 100% sure it works, but this is the beginning of the final countdown for us:)

[chandz]

Okay, that's like only 17 secs of the whole video. Not to mention only approx. 12 secs of the LED blinking. I think we deserve at least 1 minute of it. Btw, the LEDs are amazing!! Great work!! (Yeah, what's up with the background music?) :)

[JC7727]

Now, you guys know that we will not release this until we are 100% sure it works, but this is the beginning of the final countdown for us:)
:thumbup:

[Teriyaki]

Whoa... what happened to that car?. The definitely wasn't pretty, but nice to see the LED in action. Still no back shot though?.

[Nuori]

What a beater BMW. It could be just a fluke that they work on that car. :eeps:

[jEEliX]

lol ya, were those taillight bulb out lights on the dash??

[umnitza]

headlight out - the car was missing its turn signals - let's say it wasn't in showroom condition.

[jdogg]

This is a touchy question to answer and rest assured by mid day I'll have one for you:)


Still waiting on that answer. The video is very nice, but the recall explanation would be better.

[BimmaBwoy]

^^^^^^agreed^^^^^^^ I have to say I was jumping on the bandwagon when these first were released and after reading about that recall thing made me decide to wait till the verdict is out on these tails. I've waited 2 years I can wait a little longer if it means saving my ECU. So please status of the recall. Why did it happen? was it malicious or was it some truth to what was said?

[jdogg]

^^^^^^agreed^^^^^^^ I have to say I was jumping on the bandwagon when these first were released and after reading about that recall thing made me decide to wait till the verdict is out on these tails. I've waited 2 years I can wait a little longer if it means saving my ECU. So please status of the recall. Why did it happen? was it malicious or was it some truth to what was said?

Exactly...I ordered as soon as they were made available from Umnitza. I agreed to test as well.

That said, I will not plug anything in my car until I get a answer as to what was the recall business all about?

My main concern is not that the wiring will fry immediately after plugging them in, but rather a year down the road from installation, or two years...blah...

Matt, I'm not trying to be a thorn in your side, but you promised a explanation by yesterday mid day. You're giving the impression that there is a problem we don't know about. I can't undestand the mysterious nature of this conversation. If you can't tell us what happened, fine, tell us that.

[Canuck330i]

Errr... the wrap around part of the lamp assembly doesn't light up?

[jersey]

very cool! congrats matt...cant wait for my set to be in the mail....hahaha

[umnitza]

The answer is rather complex and would incite a lot of negativity, but the long and the short of it is this:

1) A claimed distributor has also "claimed" a recall. They have supposedly made up a letter to the NHTSA to issue a recall of parts that were sold to us.

2) But, the parts were not sold to us from them. They were sold to us via direct communication with Eagle Eyes. At the time of purchase and to this present moment, there has not been any formal request from the company representative from whom we have purchase for any such recall.

3) In fact, the person from whom we purchased told us that already 100+ units are out in the field for testing.

4) We have received what appears to be a doctored email written by the supposed distributor on behalf of Eagle Eyes, and will investigate further to determine any possibility of validity.

5) IF <-- somehow the units we have are not operational, then none of the units out there are operational and you guys are all spending your money for no reason, yet, you saw with the video, there was no issue with our lights on that car. So, the question should be: if you don't buy from us, why would you buy anyone else's claim that they have the lights and give them your money when THEY haven't proven that the product works?

The lights were on that were on that test car - a MY 2003-4 or 5 E46 Sedan US spec with 30000+ miles - were on that car for over 8 minutes. There was no burning smell, there was no issue. The car was restarted 3 separate times while the lights were on, and they were always on. The rear brake lights were actually on for over 3 minutes while we fiddled with the camera settings.

So, where is the truth in all this? Well, videos don't lie. But testing MUST continue, unlike headlights, tail lights are a significant safety concern when they don't work as expected. So, we'll continue to do our due diligence and make a few more calls on your behalf.

We don't care about the profits on this product because we aren't putting the price high for anyone here. We are about the product working as requested.

The irony is that we are the first to have this on the market, first to have a working example, and first to show a video of it with a production car and production units, but we are also the first to be attacked by an unscrupulous supposed distributor.

[jdogg]

The answer is rather complex and would incite a lot of negativity, but the long and the short of it is this:




Thanks Matt! We all appreciate the info. Looking forward to receiving the lights!

[Custom3]

thanks for that video....looks good :thumbup:

[umnitza]

Thanks Matt! We all appreciate the info. Looking forward to receiving the lights!
Right, we have two more cars we're going to play with today:) When it's ok, we'll go ahead and send you set:)

[BimmerDude18]

The irony is that we are the first to have this on the market, first to have a working example, and first to show a video of it with a production car and production units, but we are also the first to be attacked by an unscrupulous supposed distributor.
I don't mean to be a thorn here Matt, but there was a video posted months ago of Jim testing the taillights, and yours are not YET on the market.

I don't know whats going on with the recall business, I honestly don't care, I have bigger and better things to worry about, for your sake I hope that it is resolved and that there really is no safety concernfor anyone who purchses them from you.

And just out of curiosity, the outer LED's that it seems everyone wants on with the brakes, wouldn't the adaptive braking hookup just be another wire, so worst case scenario (if there is a second resistor for the second set of brake lights) you would have to run a relay and trigger it from the brake lights to power those outside LED's, right?

[330 HRE]

The irony is that we are the first to have this on the market, first to have a working example, and first to show a video of it with a production car and production units, but we are also the first to be attacked by an unscrupulous supposed distributor.

Sorry dude, not the first to have a working unit.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=286385
check the post.

You may be the first video, but that is it. Apexcone has been testing these since August. You can buy these from Eagle Eyes, but Apexcone(Jim) has been doing his R&D and working with them since day 1. Give credit where credit needs to be given. Without Jim, these wouldn't be working correctly on the market as it is now. Granted DEPO came out with the first for the aftermarket scene but those didn't work correctly.

[BimmaBwoy]

Matt regardless of the history of all this controversy I thank you for quickly responding to my question. I have no doubts that you guys will test till there's no more testing to do and have a product that is just as reputable as your company(A++). If you don't mind me asking this question "How can anyone perform a test that can damage an ECU over time (1year +/-)?" I don't understand how anyone will be able to determine how a product will damage electrical circuitry unless it's tested in real time (everyday use). Thanks for your time.

-Kern

[luckysnafu]

Nice video guys. :clap: Glad to see they are finally working. Can't wait to get some for my car. The music is Rob Thomas for anyone wondering - This is how a heart breaks. :thumbup:

[umnitza]

Let's make it more clear.

1) this is a PRODUCTION UNIT. Not a tester.
2) the car is ON, this shows it works when the car is ON.
3) This also shows both sets of lights working.

Yes, you can buy them from Eagle Eyes, no one is disputing that fact. Let's end the speculation about what can and can't be done with these lights until we can determine what is the correct wiring for every part of them.

Thanks for keeping watch for everyone:)

[jdogg]

Matt regardless of the history of all this controversy I thank you for quickly responding to my question. I have no doubts that you guys will test till there's no more testing to do and have a product that is just as reputable as your company(A++). If you don't mind me asking this question "How can anyone perform a test that can damage an ECU over time (1year +/-)?" I don't understand how anyone will be able to determine how a product will damage electrical circuitry unless it's tested in real time (everyday use). Thanks for your time.

-Kern

Roger that, good question.

[umnitza]

You're absolutely right, no one can perform a year long test with a year long working product no? So if you spend 8 months working on test samples, it would make sense to wait 1 year to see if there is any damage to the any additional parts.

So, then why is everyone claiming to release this as fully working and then claiming that there will be long term problems if you buy from us? Wouldn't those long term problems also arise on other products purchased elsewhere.

So, we are more than happy to continue to provide you up to the minute updates.

[BimmaBwoy]

:clap: will do :thumbup: . Looking foward to when your testing is finished and when all speculation is disproved. Thanks :thanks: now all my questions are answered.

-Kern

[jdogg]

So, then why is everyone claiming to release this as fully working and then claiming that there will be long term problems if you buy from us? Wouldn't those long term problems also arise on other products purchased elsewhere.

So, we are more than happy to continue to provide you up to the minute updates.

:clap: Thanks Matt...I'm with ^, all my questions are answered.

[umnitza]

:clap: Thanks Matt...I'm with ^, all my questions are answered.
Thanks guys:)

[BimmaBwoy]

Ok I don't know too much about LED's but I know that they are supposed to have the reputation of never going out (rated for ?? hours of use). My question is in the small instance that it might happen (LED blows) can you change the individual LED or will there have to be a complete replacement of the board w/ all the LED's?
Second question which is what I really wanted to ask. Is it possible to custom order tail lights w/ different rear LED's (ex: 6000K indicator bulbs). I'm aware of DOT standards etc etc. That being said if it can be made( cause I know you guys are the lighting specialists) can it be made? How much would it cost? Are there any additional risks (that you can think of) associated w/ doing something like this? Thanks

-Kern

[umnitza]

Well, we have people coming shortly:)

[Nuori]

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=317314&page=3

:owned:

Matt, why can't you be straight up and forth coming? Why did you say that Jim made this whole recall up?

How shady can you be...I lost all credibility in you and your business.

[umnitza]

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=317314&page=3
Why can't you be straight up and forth coming? Why did you say that Jim made this whole recall up?

How shady can you be...I lost all credibility in you and your business.
First of all that recall is to Apexcone, not to us. That recall states that the units will be returned that were prototypes that were sent to them. We were never sent prototypes. We were sent the real thing by the good people of Eagle Eyes. We have nothing to hide, please come and visit our place, you'll see for yourself how many units we have.

We will have a formal statement regarding the blatant attack exhibited today shortly. There were absolutely no lies on this.

http://www.autowerks.com/temp/ledrecall.jpg <-- read this letter, it's a recall to Jim to remove his prototypes from the market, there is no mention of Umnitza in there at all. Plus, this is dated PRIOR to us receiving our units. Lose faith all you want, these are the real units.

[DarXide]

First of all that recall is to Apexcone, not to us. That recall states that the units will be returned that were prototypes that were sent to them. We were never sent prototypes. We were sent the real thing by the good people of Eagle Eyes. We have nothing to hide, please come and visit our place, you'll see for yourself how many units we have.

We will have a formal statement regarding the blatant attack exhibited today shortly. There were absolutely no lies on this.

http://www.autowerks.com/temp/ledrecall.jpg <-- read this letter, it's a recall to Jim to remove his prototypes from the market, there is no mention of Umnitza in there at all. Plus, this is dated PRIOR to us receiving our units. Lose faith all you want, these are the real units.

Why are you denying it??

You and your company are shady..
Jim please get Eagle Eyes on the forums or even better ask the people at Eagle eyes to send a letter to Matt and a copy to Autowerks so they can post it on here...

[umnitza]

The only shadiness is the constant attacks from Jim Powell.
We didn't attack anyone, we provided a product that was lower priced, instead of being happy about it, you will enjoy buying for MORE money a product that has supposedly been recalled.

How come the recall suddenly happened when we received production units?

[S2K:-)]

email sent.

you should've offered this to members first ;)

:thumbsup: to that

[DarXide]

The only shadiness is the constant attacks from Jim Powell.
We didn't attack anyone, we provided a product that was lower priced, instead of being happy about it, you will enjoy buying for MORE money a product that has supposedly been recalled.

How come the recall suddenly happened when we received production units?

I never said you attacked anybody. You are just remaining silent to recalls period.

Let's wait for Kevin @ Eagle Eyes to tells us what is going on.
Fair enough?
Let the source end this dispute.

[DarXide]

You all need to stop bickering like little kids, esp the older fella who cries all the time. :read: IF someone isnt doing something right or acting ethically, they will pay for it in the long run, but you have to allow people to make their own descisions in this economy.

And for all you fanatics who doubt UMNITZA, they are a very trustworthy and excellent company who I have purchased many things from and have never had an issue so you can count me in for a set of LED tail lights.
:tsk:

[bmwstephen]

Matt is a very hardworking average joe. Customer satisfaction is his number one priority (I can tell even though I did not buy anything from him). I once emailed him inquiring him about the Project46's lights even though I wasn't planning on buying them till the near future future cause they're so expensive now a days. He still manage to make time and email me back and answer every useless and time consuming question I had that i sent him every few minutes or so and Yes he was aware he was not going to make a sale at all from me. The way he treated me made me want to buy directly from him regardless if he were to jack up the prices for no reason. If there was something wrong he would definatly be the person to take care of you. Now everyone please stop pointing fingers and mind their own business! Everyone who uses aftermarket parts are already taking a risk to make their car look nicer so don't be a hypocrite and critisize. Hell you think BMW of NA would stalk every aftermarket producer and point fingers at them saying their sh!t screws up their cars?

Stephen

[umnitza]

Assumptions..Assumptions and more Assumptions...

I've been on this since there was a feeling about LED TAILS LIGHT FOR SEDAN and I've been checking with Jim since then. It's clear to me that Apexcone and Autowerks are the authorized retailer of these lights.
And I am not doubting your success with your products (Prolumen, Chromiums) Not only I dont doubt your success with these products, but I congratulate you. Anyways this thread is solely regarding LED Tails.
Let Kevin or any other HIGHER representative as you said end this dispute and give as fanatics the truth.
Until your LED Tail light are not proven legit by the source, I as a fanatic will warn anybody in my power NOT to order until everything is cleared up.
If your lights turn out to be legit and finalized products I will retract everything I said.
But that's just it. Stay vigilant, don't believe everything you hear.

I sure haven't so far, I have production units that I'm not willing to sell to anyone until I'm sure it works for MYSELF. I'm the worst judge of these products, far worse than you think:)

Being critical is a good thing. But your car burning down? That's too much. Let's keep things on the up and up and straight forward, that's all.

[DarXide]

But that's just it. Stay vigilant, don't believe everything you hear.

I sure haven't so far, I have production units that I'm not willing to sell to anyone until I'm sure it works for MYSELF. I'm the worst judge of these products, far worse than you think:)

Being critical is a good thing. But your car burning down? That's too much. Let's keep things on the up and up and straight forward, that's all.

Fair enough..
I'll wait on a public response from Eagle Eyes..

[umnitza]

Fair enough..
I'll wait on a public response from Eagle Eyes..
You mean from Kevin.

See, we also believe in business, not to reveal our sources unless absolutely necessary:)

[DarXide]

You mean from Kevin.

See, we also believe in business, not to reveal our sources unless absolutely necessary:)

Kevin or any higher Representative of Eagle Eyes.
Not LOWER tho..

[DanteArizona]

[Hands over ears, eyes shut, rocking gently in the corner] "STOP IT!! Mommy, make them STOP!!"

:cry:

[rayxi]

Can't the vendors just settle this with a round of RoShamBo and move on?

[netengwiz]

Well, it's obvious that Matt is doing his own testing and has not sold anything yet. So whats the uproar about?

[BimmaBwoy]

What's even worse is that I've been reading the threads on both sides Autowerks and Umnitza, and I haven't seen any controversy to this extent in the autowerks section only in Umnitza's. I'm personally asking **Tim** to check into this b/c just as a consumer (I have no ties w/ Umnitza) these personal attacks are rediculous. I don't see any Umnitza supporters going to the autowerks thread and causing as much trouble as I see Autowerks supporters coming to this thread and flaming Matt.
Seriously all of you are acting like friggin kids not business men. If it's been said once it's been said again and again and again. You don't believe he has authentic LED tails ok statement made and heard. You believe that autowerks has the authentic ones fine ok that is heard and understood too. Now to my understanding NONE of these companies have released their products yet (despite people paying for them) so stop the bickering. Let Matt prove his product and let Jim and whomever else prove their product in their own thread w/o being attacked.
Do I know where I'm buying my product from yet, NO. I'm waiting to see the outcome of all this mess b/c I believe after all this hype something WILL go wrong w/ these lights then let's see who's willing to step up to the plate.

-Kern

[umnitza]

We need another car to be here today/tomorrow.
the car must be an earlier than 09/01 build date.

Anyone?

Also, are there any military personnel that may have purchased their cars as German spec that are now in military installations here in the US willing to drive their cars over here? :D

[hybridNz]

We need another car to be here today/tomorrow.
the car must be an earlier than 09/01 build date.

Anyone?

Also, are there any military personnel that may have purchased their cars as German spec that are now in military installations here in the US willing to drive their cars over here? :D

hehe .. I have an e46 '00 330i German / *** spec over here in New Zealand, Also if you want summer testing haha

ahh well was worth the try ;)

[umnitza]

We have a Finish car that will be accepting the invitation on Monday if there are no other takers:)

We fully intend to keep the prices low no matter what to get more of you to enjoy them:)

[CNi2i]

What's even worse is that I've been reading the threads on both sides Autowerks and Umnitza, and I haven't seen any controversy to this extent in the autowerks section only in Umnitza's. I'm personally asking **Tim** to check into this b/c just as a consumer (I have no ties w/ Umnitza) these personal attacks are rediculous. I don't see any Umnitza supporters going to the autowerks thread and causing as much trouble as I see Autowerks supporters coming to this thread and flaming Matt.
Seriously all of you are acting like friggin kids not business men. If it's been said once it's been said again and again and again. You don't believe he has authentic LED tails ok statement made and heard. You believe that autowerks has the authentic ones fine ok that is heard and understood too. Now to my understanding NONE of these companies have released their products yet (despite people paying for them) so stop the bickering. Let Matt prove his product and let Jim and whomever else prove their product in their own thread w/o being attacked.
Do I know where I'm buying my product from yet, NO. I'm waiting to see the outcome of all this mess b/c I believe after all this hype something WILL go wrong w/ these lights then let's see who's willing to step up to the plate.

-Kern
You are absolutely right...only time will tell. I just hope that you are wrong about "something WILL go wrong..." There will be a lot of pissed off fanatics if these taillights cause any type of electrical problems!
In the next week or two, many fanatics will have installed these taillights on their cars. We will all find out what's true or not real soon..

[umnitza]

You are absolutely right...only time will tell. I just hope that you are wrong about "something WILL go wrong..." There will be a lot of pissed off fanatics if these taillights cause any type of electrical problems!
In the next week or two, many fanatics will have installed these taillights on their cars. We will all find out what's true or not real soon..
We have received more information from Eagle Eyes directly, it's not yet for public release, it's actually not bad information for many of you, but we cannot release it until we are more than 1000% sure of the validity of what we are hearing.

And no, it's not anything to do with a recall:)

[umnitza]

What's even worse is that I've been reading the threads on both sides Autowerks and Umnitza, and I haven't seen any controversy to this extent in the autowerks section only in Umnitza's. I'm personally asking **Tim** to check into this b/c just as a consumer (I have no ties w/ Umnitza) these personal attacks are rediculous. I don't see any Umnitza supporters going to the autowerks thread and causing as much trouble as I see Autowerks supporters coming to this thread and flaming Matt.
Seriously all of you are acting like friggin kids not business men. If it's been said once it's been said again and again and again. You don't believe he has authentic LED tails ok statement made and heard. You believe that autowerks has the authentic ones fine ok that is heard and understood too. Now to my understanding NONE of these companies have released their products yet (despite people paying for them) so stop the bickering. Let Matt prove his product and let Jim and whomever else prove their product in their own thread w/o being attacked.
Do I know where I'm buying my product from yet, NO. I'm waiting to see the outcome of all this mess b/c I believe after all this hype something WILL go wrong w/ these lights then let's see who's willing to step up to the plate.

-Kern
BTW - one thing needs to be made 100% clear, we have not taken ANYONE's MONEY.

Not anyone's hard earned money is in our hands, not any CC on file waiting to be charged, we've simply NOT allowed that to happen. That's disingenuous and dishonorable.

[MaNgA]

:read: Is there something you're hiding because you keep avoiding this question. Any bets one side of the tail light is more concave then the other. I hope not!

Can you take a pic of the whole light, similar to your last pic but from front on (no angle) so we can see the layout of the LED's? Any trunk lights?

Thanks mate

[umnitza]

The product details are being ironed out.

Please don't blame because we happen to provide more detail than most as to the whole process..ok?

[netengwiz]

:read: Is there something you're hiding because you keep avoiding this question. Any bets one side of the tail light is more concave then the other. I hope not!

Relax. I've seen them in person and I had them on my car this past Wednesday for the test fit. They look f'in awesome and there is no disproportion between left and right tail light.

[VoteForPedro]

Relax. I've seen them in person and I had them on my car this past Wednesday for the test fit. They look f'in awesome and there is no disproportion between left and right tail light.
I think he meant between the left and rights sides of the SAME tail light. I've noticed that too. The configuration of the outer columns of led's on the coupe are perfectly rounded and balanced between both sides of the light but the sedan leds are rounded on the inside but not so rounded on the outside. They don't appear to be balanced at all. Also, anybody notice how the picture in the first post of this thread is of the coupe version? Where's the Eagle Eye logo we've seen on some of the other pics? :nono: I believe the pic posted in the other thread is a truer representation of what these lights actually look like. :drool:

<img src="http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led1.jpg" width="400" />

[VoteForPedro]

Ok, on closer inspection they do have the Eagle Eye logo but I'm still not convinced they're the sedan led's :D

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

Ok, on closer inspection they do have the Eagle Eye logo but I'm still not convinced they're the sedan led's :D
Really? That's funny because I just tested them on my car yesterday, they are sedan LEDs ;)

[Solid]

Why is it that both sponsers ignore all requests to posts pics of the sedan trunk lights shown with the LEDS? even the video had the trunk up so you couldn't see the trunk lights.

Does it look so bad that you don't want to hurt sales by showing what it looks like?

[umnitza]

Why is it that all the posters seem to think there is some conspiracy? Do you want there to be a conspiracy? Do you want drama?

Come on now.

[Solid]

It's created when multiple sponsors ignore dozens of requests for trunk light pics. The closesest we got were coupe trunk light pics, which are useless.

I want to make sure the LEDS won't look stupid with my trunk clears.

[DarXide]

It's created when multiple sponsors ignore dozens of requests for trunk light pics. The closesest we got were coupe trunk light pics, which are useless.

I want to make sure the LEDS won't look stupid with my trunk clears.

True..
BTW Does anybody know if coupe trunk lights fit the sedans???

[gsxr mixxer]

It's created when multiple sponsors ignore dozens of requests for trunk light pics. The closesest we got were coupe trunk light pics, which are useless.

I want to make sure the LEDS won't look stupid with my trunk clears.

i agree, i have asked numerous times to see pics with trunk lights equiped on a sedan???? WTF

[Solid]

Someone said earlier they do not, the sedan lights are slightly larger.

True..
BTW Does anybody know if coupe trunk lights fit the sedans???

[CynicalWry]

coupe lights don't fit sedans... if they did, everybody would've put the M3 lights in years ago :)

All in due time... all in due time. I just find it sad that some companies can only boost sales w/ the use of some anorexic chick's rib cage

[netengwiz]

Why is it that both sponsers ignore all requests to posts pics of the sedan trunk lights shown with the LEDS? even the video had the trunk up so you couldn't see the trunk lights.

Does it look so bad that you don't want to hurt sales by showing what it looks like?

I had my camera with me and was so excited about the look that I didnt snap any pics. They look good with the clear sedan lights.

[Nick@Jlevi SW]

coupe lights don't fit sedans... if they did, everybody would've put the M3 lights in years ago :)

All in due time... all in due time. I just find it sad that some companies can only boost sales w/ the use of some anorexic chick's rib cage
They are asking if coupe TRUNK LIGHTS fit sedans, we all know the regular lights do not fit.

I believe the answer is no but I will try it later tonight.

[CNi2i]

I called a couple of BMW parts people, and they all said NO. The coupe's trunk lights will NOT fit the sedan's trunk. DARN!

[DarXide]

coupe lights don't fit sedans... if they did, everybody would've put the M3 lights in years ago :)

All in due time... all in due time. I just find it sad that some companies can only boost sales w/ the use of some anorexic chick's rib cage

Bias much??
come on bro stop that...

[ADA]

Bias much??
come on bro stop that...


dude, it is you bro that is a major azz kisser. reading your post on autowerks is just painfully pathetic.

[mixtapeguru]

wtf no love for the m3, I tell you whoever comes out with the led taillights for M3's is money in the bank!

[jEEliX]

coupe lights don't fit sedans... if they did, everybody would've put the M3 lights in years ago :)

All in due time... all in due time. I just find it sad that some companies can only boost sales w/ the use of some anorexic chick's rib cage

Man, wtf? This is america bro, thats just business. And to call her anorexic? WTF? She is obviously NOT anorexic, just in great shape. Sounds like someone might be a little jealous? Or somethin...

[MMJ4mil]

I am down for a pair for my car :)

[DarXide]

dude, it is you bro that is a major azz kisser. reading your post on autowerks is just painfully pathetic.

Just because the guys at Autowerks are nice guys you called that azz kisser?
You should read your posts towards Autowerks and your post kissing Matts azz.
BTW Matt sorry for the threadjack..really am..

[umnitza]

We don't want this drama, take it all elsewhere.

Including VoteforPedro, we don't want your pictures, that's poor form on your part.

[VoteForPedro]

We don't want this drama, take it all elsewhere.

Including VoteforPedro, we don't want your pictures, that's poor form on your part.

Get over it. Just because you started this thread doesn't mean you own it. All I did was post a picture that had already been posted elsewhere on this forum. It's not MY picture as you stated. Look, I'm not interested in getting into a slanging match with you. Quite frankly, I have better things to do with my time. But I notice you still haven't answered a question that has been asked many times of you... is one side of the tail light more concave than the other as it appears to be from the numerous pictures that have been posted?

[DarXide]

We don't want this drama, take it all elsewhere.

Including VoteforPedro, we don't want your pictures, that's poor form on your part.

I dont want the drama either. Its just some of the guys that are a little bit disrespectul.

[umnitza]

It's respectful to ask for information.
It's disrespectful to post pictures of objects that have nothing to do with tail lights on a thread. It's that simple. No one objects to the female form, but we're not selling females.

[CNi2i]

Get over it. Just because you started this thread doesn't mean you own it. All I did was post a picture that had already been posted elsewhere on this forum. It's not MY picture as you stated. Look, I'm not interested in getting into a slanging match with you. Quite frankly, I have better things to do with my time. But I notice you still haven't answered a question that has been asked many times of you... is one side of the tail light more concave than the other as it appears to be from the numerous pictures that have been posted?

I too do not like all this negativity floating around. BUT as a potential customer, I think that's a fair question to be asked. WHY is one side of the LED taillights more concave than the other? Simple question.This is nothing negative against Umnitza...this should also be asked to Autowerks representatives. We all want to know. If this is the design, then that's just what they'll look like. We have to live with it, if we want the LED taillights. We just want an answer.

[DarXide]

It's respectful to ask for information.
It's disrespectful to post pictures of objects that have nothing to do with tail lights on a thread. It's that simple. No one objects to the female form, but we're not selling females.
I would agree if Autowerks posted that picture in your thread of the LED TAILS FOR SEDAN. But if its their Thread I dont see anything wrong with it.
Its all marketing strategies..And a little bit of somehing good after all this drama to cool things a little bit dont you think?
Let's stop all this and keep questions and comments for the LEDS ONLY.

[VoteForPedro]

It's disrespectful to post pictures of objects that have nothing to do with tail lights on a thread. It's that simple. No one objects to the female form, but we're not selling females.
Ok, this is a joke right?!? Nothing to do with tail lights? Maybe you missed the fact that the picture I posted WAS of the tail lights. :dunno:

I suppose this picture from your website is also disrespectful?

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/rickko.sized.jpg

[umnitza]

I would agree if Autowerks posted that picture in your thread of the LED TAILS FOR SEDAN. But if its their Thread I dont see anything wrong with it.
Its all marketing strategies..And a little bit of somehing good after all this drama to cool things a little bit dont you think?
Let's stop all this and keep questions and comments for the LEDS ONLY.
That's the point.
No one cares if you post 8000 pictures. None of the people that support us have been on any of the other's thread. None.

But we have all sorts of them here, posting thing, posting that, it's not cool. PERIOD.

[Nuori]

:popcorn: :fruit:

[VoteForPedro]

And so the question still remains unanswered. For the record, I don't support ANY vendor. I'm just a potential customer asking a valid question about a product. I posted that particular picture because I felt it portrayed what I was referring to (i.e. the curve of the outer rings) very well. It wasn't meant as a snipe at you, your company or anybody else. If you took offense or feel direspected I sincerely apologize. I certainly didn't mean for that to happen. Having said that, I do think it's rather telling that you spend all this time defending your position and yet you won't answer a very simple question.

[BimmerDude18]

I suppose this picture from your website is also disrespectful?

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/e46proj/rickko.sized.jpg
She came with my headlights, if you'd bought from Matt you would know, I think thats back before they moved though. ;)

[umnitza]

WHY is one side of the LED taillights more concave than the other? Simple question.
Simple answer - it isn't.

[MaNgA]

Simple answer - it isn't.

Ok. Once again I'll ask you as you didn't respond last time. Can you take a front on picture so we can see?

[umnitza]

What does that mean? "Front on"?

[umnitza]

There is now an update we'll be releasing information about shortly.

[CNi2i]

Simple answer - it isn't.
Thank you. I am not trying to bash your product, it just looks that way in pictures. I would ask all other vendors selling this product the same question...so nothing personal against Umnitza.

[umnitza]

No worries, here is the picture as close as I have at this time, camera is on the fritz and not communicating with the PC;)

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led1.jpg

[umnitza]

Luckily, we have friends everywhere.

Here are more pictures:

http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led2_001.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led3_001.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led4_001.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led5_001.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led6_001.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/led7_001.sized.jpg
http://www.umnitza.com/albums/album23/ledtails1.sized.jpg

[jersey]

wow, very nice...cant wait to get mine

[MaNgA]

Thanks for the pics. They confirm that the right side of the tails is considerably more curved than the left.

I'm going to wait till the manufactures make something that actually looks OEM.

[CynicalWry]

:drool: Too bad you've got a crapy photographer!

[umnitza]

Thanks for the pics. They confirm that the right side of the tails is considerably more curved than the left.

I'm going to wait till the manufactures make something that actually looks OEM.
I don't even know how to respond to this.

They are exactly the same. Where you get that they are different is confusing.

[MaNgA]

I don't even know how to respond to this.

They are exactly the same. Where you get that they are different is confusing.

I hope so! The picture i was asking for (front on) has the left curvey bit cropped out for some reason. Do you have the original?

[bfg]

This is what we mean when we say the right side is more curved than the left. The rightmost column is a nice arc and the left most is a stunted bent line... I stole your picture and marked out a best match curve tracking the columns of LEDs in white:

http://bfg.landloper.net/blandat/ledtails.jpg

I'm also not convinved those trunk lights match well enough;
1) red colour is different (clear red versus deflector red)
2) white colour is different (clear vs deflector)
3) Reflector strip at the bottom is a different thickness

Basically... if those are the vaunted LED tails and there aint any special trunk lights to match I aint getting them... :thumbdwn:

/bfg

[Nuori]

Still need to see them during the DAY and from a DISTANCE on the car!

They look really bad on that car with the yellow trunk lights. Everyone must upgrade from their current tunk lights.

Getting closer...

[CNi2i]

I think JSP posted a "reason" why the LED columns look different in another thread. Basically, if you want LED taillights for your sedan, you just have to live with the fact that one column will be more curved than the other. That's unfortunate, but I still think the overall look of these LED taillights is pretty nice. I do have a problem though, if there are no good trunk lights to match. The combination of those posted trunk lights with those led taillights looks very non-uniform; ie. does not flow well at all.

[umnitza]

The tail lights fit the car fine. There is a uniformity in their design, big kudos to Eagle Eyes for getting it right. It's clear that they know what they are doing without any outside help.

They look fine on the car, assuming the car is clean when installing them;)

At this time, we are doing our own electronics tests to ensure that the product we have meets the DOT/NHTSA requirements. Often, you'll see this, where the manufacturer of another product may "claim" that it doesn't work in a particular market as a form of protectionism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism).

When you have protectionism, prices rise. This is among one of the many reasons you can't import a US BMW (much much less expensive) into Singapore and not incur 100% tariffs.

The good news is that generally smaller products can more easily be re-engineered here in the US with some skill.

Rest assured that in our continued tests, if Eagle Eyes missed something in the US versions, we'll be there to catch it, understand it, and fix it.

This is why the parts are not 100% released at this time by anyone, we all want to get it right. The other competitors are just as interested in your safety as we are, we are just doing more now because we see the light at the end of the tunnel.

As to the fitment of the product there are a variety of different trunk markers out there, we'll look around and see what's up.

[umnitza]

There are some very nefarious allegations flying about, if you want to hear the whole truth on the story, please feel free to give us a call.

Here's what's occuring and what Eagle Eyes is reporting to us:
1) There is only a recall for prototypes, units that we have received are not identified as prototypes but actual production released units.

2) We have had inconsistent success with our units, on 2 cars, they have worked perfectly, but on 3, they have not.

3) We have sent out 4 sets to customers and still have some left in stock for those that want to drop in and see them for yourself.

4) If you want a set, you'll be happy to know we intend to have a fully supported, fully working 100% compatible set when we are ready to release it.

In our humble opinion, it's unacceptable to take people's money and not offer them product or a reasonable timeframe for which to receive this product.

[JC7727]

There are some very nefarious allegations flying about, if you want to hear the whole truth on the story, please feel free to give us a call.

Here's what's occuring and what Eagle Eyes is reporting to us:
1) There is only a recall for prototypes, units that we have received are not identified as prototypes but actual production released units.

2) We have had inconsistent success with our units, on 2 cars, they have worked perfectly, but on 3, they have not.

3) We have sent out 4 sets to customers and still have some left in stock for those that want to drop in and see them for yourself.

4) If you want a set, you'll be happy to know we intend to have a fully supported, fully working 100% compatible set when we are ready to release it.

In our humble opinion, it's unacceptable to take people's money and not offer them product or a reasonable timeframe for which to receive this product.
:thumbup:

[Jlevi SW]

What's up Matt - any updates for the 00-01 sedans?
JL

[BMWPower06]

Quick Q. For the LED turn signal indicator, why does One LED, in the top row, look different from the rest?? :dunno:

[umnitza]

What's up Matt - any updates for the 00-01 sedans?
JL
I should have information this Friday at the latest on the 00-01, we're working on a new adaptation module.

[umnitza]

Quick Q. For the LED turn signal indicator, why does One LED, in the top row, look different from the rest?? :dunno:
They are all LED.

[jersey]

matt, i think my set got lost in the mail...
what happened?? hehe

[umnitza]

It's entirely possible yours is already in the mail;)

[MaNgA]

They are all LED.

I think he knows that. The question was "why does it look different?", not "are they all LED's?"

[umnitza]

Enlighten me please, what does it mean "they look different".

[chandz]

I believe he's referring to the one circled in red. Don't mind the leftmost column, because we know they're due to light reflection. But, the one in the center top? What gives? :dunno: And no, not only in this picture we find that single LED is different than the others, but in all pictures. :hmm:

[Soundwave]

Hi Matt,

Could you please confirm the operation of the LED lights on a 2004 sedan as I'm a bit confused.

1) If I turn on the headlights/tailights, I'm guessing the trunk's red lights and the LED red lights will all light up. (Including the outer curved portion of the red LEDs or is that reserved for brake light function?...Please refer to the picture where bfg & chandz marked the red LED curves on the picture above) When I step on the brakes, then all the LED tailights will just light up brighter and the trunk's light remains the same in intensity?

2) I think my car comes with the adaptive brake light feature. (Not sure) With the LEDs, you mentioned the adaptive brake light feature isn't available...does that mean the feature isn't available for cars without the adaptive brake lighting or does that mean all cars, including those with the feature, will lose it? If it will work on existing cars with that feature, does that translate into brighter trunk lights that doubles as brake lights?

3) Will these LED kits be DOT/NHTSA approved as well?

Many thanks in advance for your time!

[umnitza]

I believe he's referring to the one circled in red. Don't mind the leftmost column, because we know they're due to light reflection. But, the one in the center top? What gives? :dunno: And no, not only in this picture we find that single LED is different than the others, but in all pictures. :hmm:
I understand. It's not an LED. It's a mounting screw. Not elegant, definitely a slight afterthought in the design.

We'll see what can be done about it.

[chandz]

I understand. It's not an LED. It's a mounting screw. Not elegant, definitely a slight afterthought in the design.

We'll see what can be done about it.

And we all thought the tailights were full LED. Well, not quite exactly. :rofl:

[umnitza]

And we all thought the tailights were full LED. Well, not quite exactly. :rofl:
What can you do:) You want the best, you ask for it, but there will always be short cuts in products. Just deal with it and hope the next version is better.

[MaNgA]

I thought you said "They are all LED." Quit talking sh|t and playing the "what do you mean" and "I don't understand" crap because you'll lose customers, myself already included.

:thumbdwn: Umnitza

[hybridNz]

common .. I dont think umnitza have done anything wrong here ... the design of the LEDs have a few if buts and maybe's but im sure it will be conveyed back to the manufacturer and sorted in short time.

[niL]

just like the DDE's, im sure a V2 or a million other variants of these will come, i dont like that mounting screw, but hey what can you do everything cant be replicated 101%

[MaNgA]

just like the DDE's, im sure a V2 or a million other variants of these will come, i dont like that mounting screw, but hey what can you do everything cant be replicated 101%

I agree, however the way he has conducted himself has been very dissapointing and unprofessional to say the least.

[umnitza]

We've conducted ourselves very professionally. Now you come on here, very disrespectfully with your snide comments.

Didn't your mother teach you any manners?

If you can't ask a question that makes sense and another user clarifies it for you, that's good for you and the answer then makes more sense. The product is what it is, from the first introduction we have not at all deviated from anything we've stated earlier.

You need to re-examine all the 200+ responses before making your jabs again, you'll find them immature and unwarranted.

[phatmustang73]

I agree, however the way he has conducted himself has been very dissapointing and unprofessional to say the least.

I agree with these guys, I feel like the questions people have been asking about this product have been clear and not that difficult to understand but you always seem to be dancing around the questions as if you don't comprehend them. It seems as if you have something to hide (even if that's not the case) and by always stating that the answers will come later because its too early to answer them seems shady and unprofessional. Sorry, just my opinion, because I too have been waiting for some top quality LED taillights to come out. It has never seemed to me before that you and your company would act in this manner, as you have always been straight forward and honest, but in this thread I can see why so many people have questions about your integrity. Just my $.02

[umnitza]

I agree with these guys, I feel like the questions people have been asking about this product have been clear and not that difficult to understand but you always seem to be dancing around the questions as if you don't comprehend them. It seems as if you have something to hide (even if that's not the case) and by always stating that the answers will come later because its too early to answer them seems shady and unprofessional. Sorry, just my opinion, because I too have been waiting for some top quality LED taillights to come out. It has never seemed to me before that you and your company would act in this manner, as you have always been straight forward and honest, but in this thread I can see why so many people have questions about your integrity. Just my $.02

You have a product that is unlike any other product we've put together for you before - it's actually dangerous if not working properly.

So, instead of divulging every single miniscule detail about this product that would only cloud everything, we tell everything we know about the product and up front.

These insinuations are just outlandish, ridiculous, preposterous, and simply annoying.

Our integrity in putting this product on the market is bullet proof - what is the problem? Where is the point of sourness?

Let's take to another level and go over it again:

1) The product is being tested, we have a production version. PERIOD. End of story.
2) The product has issues with some cars that we've tested, therefore, we have not officially announced its availibility.
3) We release information when we KNOW the answer, not when we GUESS the answer. For example, we're not out there telling you we're going to ship the product on the 16th, then coming up with 3 more excuses for why it doesn't ship. Nor, are we telling you that our shipping of the product has ANYTHING to do with any third party. We are responsible for your safety when we sell this product.
4) The questions as they are asked CLEARLY AND PROFESSIONALLY are answered immediately when the answers are available.

Please stop the drama, if you have a legitimate question, are interested in the product, and wish to engage in a dialogue, please be clear in your request and we'll be more than happy to give you the low down.

[CNi2i]

I am as frustrated as any other fanatic that has been waiting for these to come out! But, I am tired of...this person said this and that person said that...and third party this and that...shipping this and that...preproduction and final production this and that.
At this point, we should just all sit back and wait for the final product to start shipping. Once actual fanatics receive these and test them on their cars and post back results, then, and ONLY then will we really be able to pass legitimate judgement about these taillights and the vendors that are selling them.

I would love to start venting more about all the delays...but I have found that it's a waste of my time. I'm not going to get my LED taillights any faster by bi#@*ing. On the other hand, I think it's okay for customers/fanatics to ask and ask detail questions about products...that's the only way to keep vendors in check and to assure that we'll get a genuine quality product.

[umnitza]

I am as frustrated as any other fanatic that has been waiting for these to come out! But, I am tired of...this person said this and that person said that...and third party this and that...shipping this and that...preproduction and final production this and that.
At this point, we should just all sit back and wait for the final product to start shipping. Once actual fanatics receive these and test them on their cars and post back results, then, and ONLY then will we really be able to pass legitimate judgement about these taillights and the vendors that are selling them.

I would love to start venting more about all the delays...but I have found that it's a waste of my time. I'm not going to get my LED taillights any faster by bi#@*ing. On the other hand, I think it's okay for customers/fanatics to ask and ask detail questions about products...that's the only way to keep vendors in check and to assure that we'll get a genuine quality product.
That makes sense and is a respectable way to look at it.

[jersey]

It's entirely possible yours is already in the mail;)

dont tease me