¦¦¦ AutoWerks E46 LED Tail Lights Have Arrived!! ¦¦¦

[Chris@AutoWerks]

AutoWerks E46 LED Tail Lights Are Here!

AutoWerks is pleased to announce the availablilty of fully tested E46 LED Tail Lights. This highly anticipated product will begin shipping on December 16, 2005. We will be filling orders as quickly as possibly in the order that they were received.

There are some important things to keep in mind when considering an E46 LED Tail Light Upgrade:

* AutoWerks E46 LEDs have been tested and developed for the US Spec cars. No tail light failure warnings, and you wont need a LCM reflash. Just plug and play!

* When ordering be sure to indicate whether you have a US or Euro Spec car. Installation of Euro Spec LEDs on US Spec cars may cause a costly LCM Failure.

* Please use caution if you decide to install an untested or Euro Spec version of this product, a LCM failure could cost you upwards of $250 not including labor.

* There is a full ONE YEAR warranty for these LED Tail Lights from the manufacturer.

* AutoWerks is the EXCLUSIVE US and Canadian distributor for this product.


Product Description:
The latest and greatest tail light technology is now available for the E46 3 Series Coupe (1999-2005) and Sedans (1999-2005). This is a two piece kit for the tail lights only. You do have the option to include the two smaller trunk lens, these are not LED but will be new so they can match your new taillights. See options above.

* Expected delivery time will be 10-15 days from time of order.
* Please note that these tail lights are in high demand. The time from when you place your order to when you will receive your tail lights is expected to be 10-15 days until the "Rush" is over.

Features
* One Year Warranty
* DOT Legal!
* Includes backing plates w/ Trunk Lights!
* Complete Plug and Play
* Two piece kit with option to add the smaller trunk lights to keep the "new" look if yours are faded. (see options)

Engineering Details
* Fully Tested and Developed, Guaranteed to work correctly!
* Available for the 3 series coupes 99-05 and sedans 99-05
* Fits like the originals
* Will not fit the convertible
* 10-30 minute complete install using standard hand tools!
* Requires no light control module reflash
* Absolutly NO tail light warning lamp errors!

Benefits
* Updated Looks
* Alerts drivers behind you with brighter output then the halogen based tail lights
* LED's come to full brightnest 50% quicker then traditional halogen bulbs!
* All Styles (coupe, sedan, prefacelift and facelifted) will look just like the the M3 ones Clear Led on top Red Led's on bottom!

http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/temp/e46led.jpg http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2210

AutoWerks E46 LEDs Click Here To Order! (http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=22700&cat=314&page=1)

[Solid]

Do you have pics of the trunk lights? I currently have the OEM clear trunk lights and have a feeling those wouldn't match too well with the LED's.

Do you have any pics with the LEDs and trunk lights together?

[ADA]

Hey just a side note:

this LED does not provide any "lower power consumption" advantage. Therefore, I think you should remove that from your list. You are misleading e46fanatics members.

Your tail lights still requires a constant 12+ V. The resistors are absorbing the majority of the engery and pushing out the lower voltage for the LED lights. However, it still doesn't matter what the output is because the input to the lights is still 12+ V. Therefore, no "power consumption" advantage

[Topazblue3]

Nice! Are the trunk lights OEM from the new coupe model or the old one?

[spyder]

We need pics of it installed. A little video of the tail lights in action would be great.

[BMWPower06]

facelifted coupe style trunk lights would look hot with those LEDs IMO

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Power consumption is measured in watts. So while everything in the car system runs on 12v, some items draw much more power. For example,a 1000w car stereo amplifier runs on 12v but draws a lot of watts. No matter how you define it, our LED taillights draw less watts (power) then their halogen counterparts. Anytime you can decrease the load on your alternator, even by small amounts, we consider that a benefit. Our product description is correct.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Hey just a side note:

this LED does not provide any "lower power consumption" advantage. Therefore, I think you should remove that from your list. You are misleading e46fanatics members.

Your tail lights still requires a constant 12+ V. The resistors are absorbing the majority of the engery and pushing out the lower voltage for the LED lights. However, it still doesn't matter what the output is because the input to the lights is still 12+ V. Therefore, no "power consumption" advantage
Power consumption is measured in watts. So while everything in the car system runs on 12v, some items draw much more power. For example,a 1000w car stereo amplifier runs on 12v but draws a lot of watts. No matter how you define it, our LED taillights draw less watts (power) then their halogen counterparts. Anytime you can decrease the load on your alternator, even by small amounts, we consider that a benefit. Our product description is correct.

[Topazblue3]

Pic of trunk lights please?

[Josh@AutoWerks]

We need pics of it installed. A little video of the tail lights in action would be great.
I totally agree. Tomorrow I will have time to put something together. This is the busy time of the year...tis the season:burnout:

[330 HRE]

Power consumption is measured in watts. So while everything in the car system runs on 12v, some items draw much more power. For example,a 1000w car stereo amplifier runs on 12v but draws a lot of watts. No matter how you define it, our LED taillights draw less watts (power) then their halogen counterparts. Anytime you can decrease the load on your alternator, even by small amounts, we consider that a benefit. Our product description is correct.
Thank you for the clarification.

ADA->:owned:

[ADA]

Power consumption is measured in watts. So while everything in the car system runs on 12v, some items draw much more power. For example,a 1000w car stereo amplifier runs on 12v but draws a lot of watts. No matter how you define it, our LED taillights draw less watts (power) then their halogen counterparts. Anytime you can decrease the load on your alternator, even by small amounts, we consider that a benefit. Our product description is correct.


If your product discription is correct than you then WHY did you remove the "power consumption" listing.

Also, I like how you boys at autowerks can't make up your mind. There are conflicting "clarifications." I like how you edited your post.

1) Anyhow, stop pulling stuff out of your rear end. Since you are so concerns with the community why don;t you post the waltage usage for these LED tailights so we can determine whether there is any advantage?

2) You better but a warning/disclaimer on these LED tailights. You don't want members car to burn down due to the extremely hot resistors. How is the hot resistors being mounted?

[ADA]

Thank you for the clarification.

ADA->:owned:


Grow up kid. Stop being a sheep. Boards and forums like this is established so that members could look out of each other best interests.

I have news for you. Most vendors on here are not here to "protect" you. They are here to make money off you. autowerks is a perfect example of this. THis is why they are not doing a group buy. they know there is a high demand and they want to maximize their profit.

Autowerks received numerous advance orders on these tailights ONE YEAR in advance. During the last 365 days the refused to respond to thread requesting the status of these tailights. They didnt care because they already got our money. They ignore and neglected the community until a few days ago when EBAY start selling the SAME EXACT tail lights.


I am a strong supporter of vendors that are truely concerned with e46fanatics members. Those members (not limited to) are Uminitza, Jelvi, UUC, and among many others.

Autowerks have never posted any DIY or contributed to any threads unless they there is something in it for them.

[Canuck330i]

Power consumption is measured in watts. So while everything in the car system runs on 12v, some items draw much more power. For example,a 1000w car stereo amplifier runs on 12v but draws a lot of watts. No matter how you define it, our LED taillights draw less watts (power) then their halogen counterparts. Anytime you can decrease the load on your alternator, even by small amounts, we consider that a benefit. Our product description is correct.

Ahem: Ohm's law still applies.
http://www.the12volt.com/ohm/ohmslaw.asp

Since it appears the assemblies have load resistors in them (how else would you solve the bulb out warning without a reflash?), it's these that will draw the extra current (and therefor dissipate the energy in the form of heat).
So yes, the LEDs will draw less power but overall the power consumption won't drop by a whole lot. In fact it could go up if the load resistors aren't the correct, minimal value to avoid a bulb out warning.

So, if your load resistors are 6 Ohms and they're running at 12V then power consumption of each load resistor is:

12V*12V/6ohms
--> 24 Watts.

Or do these assemblies not have load resistors in them?

[330 HRE]

Grow up kid. Stop being a sheep. Boards and forums like this is established so that members could look out of each other best interests.

I have news for you. Most vendors on here are not here to "protect" you. They are here to make money off you. autowerks is a perfect example of this. THis is why they are not doing a group buy. they know there is a high demand and they want to maximize their profit.

Autowerks received numerous advance orders on these tailights ONE YEAR in advance. During the last 365 days the refused to respond to thread requesting the status of these tailights. They didnt care because they already got our money. They ignore and neglected the community until a few days ago when EBAY start selling the SAME EXACT tail lights.


I am a strong supporter of vendors that are truely concerned with e46fanatics members. Those members (not limited to) are Uminitza, Jelvi, UUC, and among many others.

Autowerks have never posted any DIY or contributed to any threads unless they there is something in it for them.

Yea I am so ignorant that I didn't know companies actually are out there to make money and make a living. Ignorance is bliss....if you don't like Autowerks and keep bashing on them...take your ish somewhere else. Every post from you to them is always giving them ish.....telling me I am kid and grow up...why not do someting constructive with your time and make a difference than bicker. I ain't going to bother to respond if you respond back so post whatever you want.:thumbup:

PS
Just b/c my screen name isn't popular doesn't mean I am not sponsored by most of the these companies that are vendors here too. I am not sponsored by autowerks by the way.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Grow up kid. Stop being a sheep. Boards and forums like this is established so that members could look out of each other best interests.

I have news for you. Most vendors on here are not here to "protect" you. They are here to make money off you. autowerks is a perfect example of this. THis is why they are not doing a group buy. they know there is a high demand and they want to maximize their profit.

Autowerks received numerous advance orders on these tailights ONE YEAR in advance. During the last 365 days the refused to respond to thread requesting the status of these tailights. They didnt care because they already got our money. They ignore and neglected the community until a few days ago when EBAY start selling the SAME EXACT tail lights.


I am a strong supporter of vendors that are truely concerned with e46fanatics members. Those members (not limited to) are Uminitza, Jelvi, UUC, and among many others.

Autowerks have never posted any DIY or contributed to any threads unless they there is something in it for them.

ADA,

I am not sure why you are so negative towards us, but I do want to clear up a few inaccuracies in your post.

First, we have not been taking orders for a year, and there are only a few customers who have actualy paid for their LED kits. The vast majority have not been charged yet, although that is hardly any of your business unless you are one of our customers.

Second, we have only recently joined E46Fanatics as a sponsor (we signed up less than a month ago). I must say I am very impressed with the welcome we have received here - it has been very positive and professional. So I can only assume that we are viewed as a welcome addition to the E46Fanatics community and we look forward to continuing to contribute to this board. I am sorry if you do not share your other boardmember's views.

I have noticed numerous other posts you have made in relation to E46 LEDs from Umnitza etc, and you seem to reserve your harshest criticism for us. I can respect it if you are a satisfied customer with another vendor, but I am having a hard time understanding your motivation in trying to derail this thread.

You mention that "they already got our money". I assume that you have already ordered a set of our LEDs and paid for them? We would be happy to refund your money if you wish, please let us know. If you have not purchased a set, then I am even more confused by your dissatisfaction.

If I understand you correctly, your biggest issue with our product is that you are concerned with the power consumption?

Please let us know specifically what you need answered and we will do our best to help you. If there is some other motivation or issue here, you can certainly email us at sales@autowerks.com or better yet, give us a call at 800.221.2262.

[jsp98m3]

There are in fact "load resistors" installed in the lights. But that is not the entire story. Load resistors alone will not solve the issues involved. If that was the case, DEPO taillights would be functional. They aren't.

The fact of the matter is that much of the time, the "load resistors" are not even active in the circuit. Not only that, the electronics required to be compatible with the self test must in fact be an active transmitting signal, acting in a way to sometimes lower or increase the impedance seen by the LCM.

And for reasons of "I know how to do it and nobody else does" that's as far as I'm going with it.

And yes, European units will have warning stickers on them to assert that you are risking your cars electrical system if you put them into US Spec cars. After I review the reasons why, I'll make a recommendation on whether the reverse is true or not.

[exmike]

are the brakes progressive?

[jsp98m3]

are the brakes progressive?

That is a function of the car and will only work on cars that came with LED taillights as original equipment. So for upgrades, no. For people putting these in, sometime in the future, to replace BMW LED lights (collision repair), yes.

[europass]

Looks like a good product. :thumbup: Please post some pics of them fitted. I hope they are not like the DEPO quality , or lack there of.

[Custom3]

If there are something wrong with these lights then thats when the one year warranty comes into play....im not worried.
Im was just wondering...i ordering mines from autowerks.com....when i ordered these 6 months ago they didnt have the US or Euro Spec? option or maybe i didnt see it...i dont remember...well does that mean i automatically get the us version???...because those are the ones i need....i just check my vin....if anyone else wants to see if there car is us or euro check out this site......
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/
put your vin and it will tell you.....
By the way my order number is.....#16554

[Josh@AutoWerks]

If there are something wrong with these lights then thats when the one year warranty comes into play....im not worried.
Im was just wondering...i ordering mines from autowerks.com....when i ordered these 6 months ago they didnt have the US or Euro Spec? option or maybe i didnt see it...i dont remember...well does that mean i automatically get the us version???...because those are the ones i need....i just check my vin....if anyone else wants to see if there car is us or euro check out this site......
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/
put your vin and it will tell you.....
By the way my order number is.....#16554
I have marked your order as a US Spec car. You will see your tail lights before Christmas.

Thanks!

[CNi2i]

Josh,
I am excited about the LED taillights. I have already placed my order for a set. I main concern is the possibility of overheating. It's one thing to pay $320 for a product, but it's another thing to pay for electrical problems that may arise (big headache). Again, I have faith that you are selling a "good" product, that's why I and my friends have already ordered a few sets. I would just appreciate it if you can let us know if the risk of "overheating" is something to worry about. Please be specific. And if this does happen, how are we, as your customers, protected? Thank you.

[CNi2i]

BTW Josh,
My order number is #18283. I am assuming that I will be getting the US spec. LED taillights right? I ordered by phone, and wasn't given this option. I assume that it will be US spec. since a US address was given. Just checking. Thanks.

[Echo3]

Are these the ones that are made by DEPO?

[CNi2i]

Supposedly, they are not DEPO. Anyone else?

[Chris@AutoWerks]

Are these the ones that are made by DEPO?

They are not Depo.

[TNTBOOM]

would this fit a vert?
:dunno:

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Josh,
I am excited about the LED taillights. I have already placed my order for a set. I main concern is the possibility of overheating. It's one thing to pay $320 for a product, but it's another thing to pay for electrical problems that may arise (big headache). Again, I have faith that you are selling a "good" product, that's why I and my friends have already ordered a few sets. I would just appreciate it if you can let us know if the risk of "overheating" is something to worry about. Please be specific. And if this does happen, how are we, as your customers, protected? Thank you.
Overheating? Where did you hear that? Absolutly no chance of anything overheating.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

would this fit a vert?
:dunno:
Sorry TNTBOOM, no vert fitments as of right now.

[Echo3]

That's good news! I will be definitely going to order them now!

[Topazblue3]

Anyone who already ordered these, please write a review when you have them installed on the car. Thanks. I bet if these lights are 100% working with no errors, then everyone would love to buy them. Autowerks will be busy as hell taking these orders. That's just my 2 cents. :P

[TNTBOOM]

Sorry TNTBOOM, no vert fitments as of right now.
No love for the drop top:cry: :cry:

[Chris@AutoWerks]

We've been getting a lot of questions about the differences between the US Spec and the Euro Spec. I'd just like to clear up a few questions that have been presented. First, the Euro Spec LEDs may light up in a US Spec car, but it will throw a Tail Light Failure Warning Light, and over time, may cause costly damage to your electrical system, more specifically your LCM. The Euro Spec lights have not gone through extensive testing on US spec cars so the outcome could be costly. Secondly, there have been other LEDs marketed on these forums, and some of you may be wondering whats the difference between theirs and ours? Ours are fully tested.

[CNi2i]

Overheating? Where did you hear that? Absolutly no chance of anything overheating.

Thanks for the reassurance :thanks: I just wanted to make sure this isn't going to be an issue. Can't wait to install mine.

[CNi2i]

Anyone who already ordered these, please write a review when you have them installed on the car. Thanks. I bet if these lights are 100% working with no errors, then everyone would love to buy them. Autowerks will be busy as hell taking these orders. That's just my 2 cents. :P

I will definitely write a review once mine are installed and tried for a week or so :thumbup:

[///MACHINE]

Any chance of a group buy price?

[Echo3]

Any chance we can get a pair for free? J/k

[mixtapeguru]

no love for m3 yet?

[ADA]

no love for m3 yet?


yeah, it is called OEM straight from the dealer

[jEEliX]

LOL I was thinking the same thing...

[Chris@AutoWerks]

no love for m3 yet?

We have LEDs available for the 01-05 M3 Coupes.

[doodle]

no love for m3 yet?
How was your vacation in the caves of Afghanistan?

Many things have happened while you were gone! ;)

[///MLM]

Anyone have pictures and reviews of these lights on his or her cars yet? Wanna get some before I buy my pair. Thanks for being the guiney pigs :thumbsup:

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Anyone have pictures and reviews of these lights on his or her cars yet? Wanna get some before I buy my pair. Thanks for being the guiney pigs :thumbsup:
We will have pics installed tomorrow afternoon and I will be sure to post them ASAP!

[Toast]

There has been debates (and post by Mr. Powell himself) mentioning the availability of final production units and the possibility of pre-production units floating around in the market:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=316926&page=5

Those units are said to be danger and are not to be distributed. Mr. Powell even mentioned there are no units on the market currently that are the actual final production units. I guess my main question is, are we going to receive the final production units with all the proper testing done, and are ensured to be safe? BTW my order number is #18290 and I need a set of US spec lights. Please enlighten me, thanks! :)

PS: Still hoping to receive them by Christmas, but if it starts shipping on Dec 16th then it looks like the chance is slim. :bawling:

[jsp98m3]

There has been debates (and post by Mr. Powell himself) mentioning the availability of final production units and the possibility of pre-production units floating around in the market:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=316926&page=5

Those units are said to be danger and are not to be distributed. Mr. Powell even mentioned there are no units on the market currently that are the actual final production units. I guess my main question is, are we going to receive the final production units with all the proper testing done, and are ensured to be safe? BTW my order number is #18290 and I need a set of US spec lights. Please enlighten me, thanks! :)

PS: Still hoping to receive them by Christmas, but if it starts shipping on Dec 16th then it looks like the chance is slim. :bawling:


Shipments will be direct from Taiwan to the retail customer. That would be you. No importing. no moving from distributor to retailer. DIRECT. They will make it and be genuine production units.

Jim

[Toast]

Thanks for the clarification and thanks for providing us with a quality product. :thumbup: The wait is well worth it to ensure we get a safe product that is of excellent quality. :)

[big pimp]

We've been getting a lot of questions about the differences between the US Spec and the Euro Spec. I'd just like to clear up a few questions that have been presented. First, the Euro Spec LEDs may light up in a US Spec car, but it will throw a Tail Light Failure Warning Light, and over time, may cause costly damage to your electrical system, more specifically your LCM. The Euro Spec lights have not gone through extensive testing on US spec cars so the outcome could be costly. Secondly, there have been other LEDs marketed on these forums, and some of you may be wondering whats the difference between theirs and ours? Ours are fully tested.


hi mate.

i am interested in buying a set too. however, i wouls assume my car is euro spec (i love in northern ireland, u.k.)

are there any visual differenced between the two? would the US spec fit my car also?

how can i order from you?

many thanks,

Ross

[BimmaBwoy]

Mr. Powell I may be misreading but I thought the production models weren't made yet? If I'm going to order a pair of tail lights which version am I going to get? I read the other thread w/ the recall on the lights and after reading it all I'm really confused. I don't care whom I get the lights from I just want a fully functional working product that has no fire hazards. And to address your answer to the question posted above by Toast I don't see a "yes" or "no" but an explanation. Please don't think this is a slanderous attempt I just want a clear cut answer to what version buyers will receive (final production w/ all modifications and no hazards or beta versions). thank you for your time and patience.

best regards,
Bimmabwoy

[ADA]

You better but a warning/disclaimer on these LED tailights. You don't want members car to burn down due to the extremely hot resistors. How is the hot resistors being mounted?


As posted 3 days ago.

The final release products have not yet been produced. Be careful.
Jim Powell (the man himself) is warning about "pre-production" lights that is vunerable to fire and safety hazards.

Purchasing them puts your safety at certain and considerable risk. Not possible risk, CERTAIN risk. I worked on the design and did the testing. These lights do not function correctly and may possibly start an electrical fire.


This is too risky and shady.

[jsp98m3]

All deliveries to customers will be final production pieces.

The entire reason that there is a recall is that there are vendors here and on ebay that were stating that they had product to sell. The items they had or thought they could get were all pre-production samples that were never meant to be sold to customers.

Of course the products that will be delivered to customers will be production units in sealed factory boxes. The initial first shipment will be shipped direct to customers from the factory to allow people to obtain them before Christmas. Subsequent shipments will likely be sent to distributors and retailers for resale.

So the answer is YES, the product delivered to customers will all be production units. We are attempting to remove all of the beta units from circulation to protect consumers.

[BimmaBwoy]

Phew thank you for the quick response.

-kern

[Josh@AutoWerks]

hi mate.

i am interested in buying a set too. however, i wouls assume my car is euro spec (i love in northern ireland, u.k.)

are there any visual differenced between the two? would the US spec fit my car also?

how can i order from you?

many thanks,

Ross

Ross,

There is no visual differance other then the sticker with the part number. If you place your order on our website, you will be asked what type of vehicle you have. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Josh
AutoWerks

[kyle808]

Okay good know to that customers will be getting final production fully tested LEDs.

btw, ADA, I think it's good that you question the quality and safety of these LEDs. I would hate to hear horror stories from people with over-heating and potential fire or electrical problems. As with any new product, we should always verify all claims made by manufacturers and be alittle skeptical to protect ourselves as customers. People should never rush out and buy the latest and greatest stuff, no matter no badly they want it. Depo LEDs are the perfect example. I'm on the fence about these LEDs until I get full reviews from fellow E46Fanatics who took the plunge.

[jsp98m3]

Okay good know to that customers will be getting final production fully tested LEDs.

btw, ADA, I think it's good that you question the quality and safety of these LEDs. I would hate to hear horror stories from people with over-heating and potential fire or electrical problems. As with any new product, we should always verify all claims made by manufacturers and be alittle skeptical to protect ourselves as customers. People should never rush out and buy the latest and greatest stuff, no matter no badly they want it. Depo LEDs are the perfect example. I'm on the fence about these LEDs until I get full reviews from fellow E46Fanatics who took the plunge.

To DEPO's credit, the lights usually worked in European spec cars for the model year they were designed for. At least in Taiwan. DEPO is a good company that tries very hard to do the right thing. They have very nice and dedicated employees from the engineering staff right up through the sales and management organization. Good people.

Jim

[ADA]

All deliveries to customers will be final production pieces.

The entire reason that there is a recall is that there are vendors here and on ebay that were stating that they had product to sell. The items they had or thought they could get were all pre-production samples that were never meant to be sold to customers.

Of course the products that will be delivered to customers will be production units in sealed factory boxes. The initial first shipment will be shipped direct to customers from the factory to allow people to obtain them before Christmas. Subsequent shipments will likely be sent to distributors and retailers for resale.

So the answer is YES, the product delivered to customers will all be production units. We are attempting to remove all of the beta units from circulation to protect consumers.

Alright Jim. Since you are always preaching about "taking care and protecting your customers" then I think the following questions warrant some answers.

It is without a doubt that there are numerous version of the LEDs lights that being sold. They are starting to pop up everywhere from ebay to various e46fanatics vendor/sponors.

As a CONSUMER or a protential customer, how do I protect myself from buying a "pre-production" light? Since there are so many source/vendors the room for "error" is very possible.

Please don't give me that "if you buy from "autowerks" you should be good to go. There is just too many room for error as I stated. Even if we buy from autowerks, how can we tell if our tailights are the final release version?

Are there any definate marking or inspection stamps to alert us that we are buying a DOT approved and a UHL safety approved tail lights?

You made several post regarding your recall because you claim you are concerned about out safety. If your intentions are indeed true than my question warrant an answer.

[BimmaBwoy]

:popcorn: Awaits response (this is getting good)

[jsp98m3]

All customers can get their answers from Autowerks or other retailer. I've done my job to get factual information to the consumer and protect the factory's interests. I will not participate in any endless theoretical what-ifs. Customers should contact their retailers.

All lights purported to be as pictured in Autowerks and others ads (a visual comparison is all that is needed) are pre-production units. There is no other option. I cannot speak for non Eagle Eyes units. They are, whatever they are.

Jim

[ADA]

All customers can get their answers from Autowerks or other retailer. I've done my job to get factual information to the consumer and protect the factory's interests. I will not participate in any endless theoretical what-ifs. Customers should contact their retailers.

All lights purported to be as pictured in Autowerks and others ads (a visual comparison is all that is needed) are pre-production units. There is no other option. I cannot speak for non Eagle Eyes units. They are, whatever they are.

Jim


Come Jim. Why are you evading my question.

You talk the talk so NOW walk the walk.

You were so adamant about protecting e46fantics members from burning and destroying their vehicles. You even elluded to the possibility of death due to the pre-production lights.

You claimed that you help invent/innovate/design/research, etc these lights. therefore, YOU and ONLY YOU can answer my question.

The community demands an anwers from you! Stop trying to scare us with stories and not be able to calm down the storm!

Once again, How do I as a consumer will know if what I am buying is a PRE or FINAL production LED tail lights?

[eg6turbo]

Please see my other post.

ALL, I mean ALL production units entering this continent will come through Apexcone and Autowerks. You are running around in a circle looking for a fight that doesn't exist. If you thinnk I'm not telling the truth, fine. Buy wherever you please. It really doesn't matter to me and probably not Autowerks. Because all of them from whatever source will have to be acquired from us one way or another. You are shadow boxing. You fight but there's nothing there.

this answer basically means you wont know for a fact they are final or pre-production...but with like anything else you buy, whats real and whats fake anyways??...most things are replicas and if your willing to cut corners regarding price, then you get what you pay for...now if there's ANY doubt in my mind that these could cause a potential FIRE in my car, then im not getting period even after all the good reviews...

[BimmaBwoy]

^^^^^ Ditto

[jsp98m3]

this answer basically means you wont know for a fact they are final or pre-production...but with like anything else you buy, whats real and whats fake anyways??...most things are replicas and if your willing to cut corners regarding price, then you get what you pay for...now if there's ANY doubt in my mind that these could cause a potential FIRE in my car, then im not getting period even after all the good reviews...

No, it means that I know all units in the country now are pre-production. And all of them shipping on or after 12/16 will be production units. All remaining samples here or in Taiwan are being gathered up the best we can to make sure there are no problems. The factory has admitted a mistake in sending out the display samples. We would like to gt those returned since they have various known issues and never underwent any form of QC testing at all.

That is all this means.

[ADA]

Alright Jim. I hope and pray to Allah himself that the tail lights I am buying is going to be produced on or after 12/16/2005.

let's end this debate.




1 ...[there is no problem] All of them [LED lights] being sold will eventually
be delivered off one of my POs to the factory....

2 ....Autowerks will post pictures of production units when they arrive in
this country. At that time consumers can look at those pictures and what
they have in-hand. If its not the same as far as stickers and
markings, I suggest that the consumer consider getting an exchange for a
production set.

3 ....All the rest of this is really quite funny. I will sell all of the
lights in one form or another to the distribution channel. There are no
other sources....


Originally posted and deleted by Jim Powell. I will summarize

1) There is really no problem at all because all LED lights will come from the same factory

2) Even though the safey risk is very high there is no "sure sure tails" of identify a pre and final production ligh. Just compare the pictures. Don't worry too much about the internal wiring and water/fire concerns as I mentioned before.

3) I am laughing because I am the only one that is distrubing the lights. therefore, I am going to make a huge profit.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Alright Jim. Since you are always preaching about "taking care and protecting your customers" then I think the following questions warrant some answers.

It is without a doubt that there are numerous version of the LEDs lights that being sold. They are starting to pop up everywhere from ebay to various e46fanatics vendor/sponors.

As a CONSUMER or a protential customer, how do I protect myself from buying a "pre-production" light? Since there are so many source/vendors the room for "error" is very possible.

Please don't give me that "if you buy from "autowerks" you should be good to go. There is just too many room for error as I stated. Even if we buy from autowerks, how can we tell if our tailights are the final release version?

Are there any definate marking or inspection stamps to alert us that we are buying a DOT approved and a UHL safety approved tail lights?

You made several post regarding your recall because you claim you are concerned about out safety. If your intentions are indeed true than my question warrant an answer.

ADA -

I can respect your concern over the confusion that has surrounded this product. E46 LED tail lights are in high demand and people are getting impatient, which I can understand.

The best analogy I can think of is when BMW releases a new vehicle, the E90 for example. The only authorized sellers of a new E90 are licensed BMW dealerships, right? When you buy from the dealership, you know it has the stamp of approval from the factory (BMW) and that you are getting a genuine BMW, fully developed for sale to the public.

But, you know BMW has produced many development cars along the way that are never intended to reach the public. It would be irresponsible for BMW to sell these cars and they do not do that. This would certainly be a liability issue for them and what customer would want to buy a pre-production car? Could BMW sell these cars and make a few bucks? Sure, but they would risk their reputation by doing that.

Now let's say someone managed to get their hands on a preproduction vehicle, and started advertising that they were selling new E90's at a lower cost than the dealer. Don't you think BMW would react very strongly and swiftly to prevent this from happening? Wouldn't they have a right to protect their investment, protect themselves from the resulting liability issues, protect the quality of their brand? Of course they have this right. In this situation, wouldn't you be grateful that BMW expended the time and resources to make sure you did not accidentally buy an inferior product? I would personally be upset if BMW did not do something in this situation.

That is exactly what is going on here. This is a very straightforward situation that unfortunately repeats itself all to often in today's business world. That is why we have consumer protection laws that allow companies to take action against those who would choose to cause harm to the market. That is why we have strict laws surrounding recalls and laws governing the actions of all retailers/distributors in these circumstances.

These laws are here to protect each of us and help ensure that we get quality product - that we get what we pay for.

There are no conspiracies here, no ulterior motives. I think most can see what has been posted on these forums and draw their own conclusions without much more editorial from persons not directly involved in the business end of this situation.

Bottom line is, EVERY tail light sold through AutoWerks, retail and wholesale, will be final production units. There is no chance of the pre-production test units being shipped to anyone.

I sincerely hope that this helps clarify the situation for many of you. You are always welcome to call us at 800.221.2262 and will will gladly discuss any details we have not covered on the forums.

[Topazblue3]

Any pictures installed on the car yet?

[jEEliX]

ADA -

I can respect your concern over the confusion that has surrounded this product. E46 LED tail lights are in high demand and people are getting impatient, which I can understand.

The best analogy I can think of is when BMW releases a new vehicle, the E90 for example. The only authorized sellers of a new E90 are licensed BMW dealerships, right? When you buy from the dealership, you know it has the stamp of approval from the factory (BMW) and that you are getting a genuine BMW, fully developed for sale to the public.

But, you know BMW has produced many development cars along the way that are never intended to reach the public. It would be irresponsible for BMW to sell these cars and they do not do that. This would certainly be a liability issue for them and what customer would want to buy a pre-production car? Could BMW sell these cars and make a few bucks? Sure, but they would risk their reputation by doing that.

Now let's say someone managed to get their hands on a preproduction vehicle, and started advertising that they were selling new E90's at a lower cost than the dealer. Don't you think BMW would react very strongly and swiftly to prevent this from happening? Wouldn't they have a right to protect their investment, protect themselves from the resulting liability issues, protect the quality of their brand? Of course they have this right. In this situation, wouldn't you be grateful that BMW expended the time and resources to make sure you did not accidentally buy an inferior product? I would personally be upset if BMW did not do something in this situation.

That is exactly what is going on here. This is a very straightforward situation that unfortunately repeats itself all to often in today's business world. That is why we have consumer protection laws that allow companies to take action against those who would choose to cause harm to the market. That is why we have strict laws surrounding recalls and laws governing the actions of all retailers/distributors in these circumstances.

These laws are here to protect each of us and help ensure that we get quality product - that we get what we pay for.

There are no conspiracies here, no ulterior motives. I think most can see what has been posted on these forums and draw their own conclusions without much more editorial from persons not directly involved in the business end of this situation.

Bottom line is, EVERY tail light sold through AutoWerks, retail and wholesale, will be final production units. There is no chance of the pre-production test units being shipped to anyone.

I sincerely hope that this helps clarify the situation for many of you. You are always welcome to call us at 800.221.2262 and will will gladly discuss any details we have not covered on the forums.


Thats good to know!!:clap:

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Any pictures installed on the car yet?
Topazblue3,

After the latest manufacturer recall of all the prototype tail lights, we had to send the one set we had here back to the manufacturer. We will have pics of the tail lights on a car as soon as the first set of final production units arrive.

[Topazblue3]

Thanks, keep us updated.

[kyle808]

Topazblue3,

After the latest manufacturer recall of all the prototype tail lights, we had to send the one set we had here back to the manufacturer. We will have pics of the tail lights on a car as soon as the first set of final production units arrive.

Please post some side by side shots of your LEDS vs OEM LEDs too? What is the light output compared to OEMs? thanks.

[ADA]

Please post some side by side shots of your LEDS vs OEM LEDs too? What is the light output compared to OEMs? thanks.

word x10000

[vic]

Any idea when a Vert version will be available?

[Xenomanon]

word x10000

:google:

[mell1n]

just to clarify, even '00 models with the old lcms that don't work with the oem led tails are still plug and play?

-thanks

[jsp98m3]

I tested the sedan models on a 2000 328i as well as others.

[///ACS330Ci]

Any pics of them installed yet? Inside and out?

[Echo3]

I tested the sedan models on a 2000 328i as well as others.

Hey Jim, how bright are these compared to the OEM LED's? Thanks!

[Lugnut2683]

Still waiting for pics of these installed on a car! There are a lot of members anxiously waiting QUALITY LED replicas... :thumbup:

http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2211

[Custom3]

oh god....i cant wait....im crossing out the days on my calender waiting for these bad boys to arrive.....pethatic isnt it....:clap:

[Nuori]

Do you guys not have a car or what? I live 5 mins away from you and would be happy to take pics of them on the car. :dunno:

[Echo3]

Do you guys not have a car or what? I live 5 mins away from you and would be happy to take pics of them on the car. :dunno:

They said the ones they had to post the pics of were only the prototypes, and that they wont be able to till they get the final product in.

[Custom3]

Once I get my lights ill be posting pics the same day and a little review for you guys.....Im #6 on autowerks.com backorder list..i was told ill be getting them before christmas..:clap:<center>

[DarXide]

People dont be skeptical about this product..
Im sure this product is top notch coming from Apexcone.
Dont be fooled by pre-production units that are being sold by vendors not related to Apexcone.

Spoke with Josh @ Autowerks on the phone today and he is a great Guy to deal with...

I would recommend going thru Autowerks. :clap:

[GarrettF]

Pics

[CNi2i]

People dont be skeptical about this product..
Im sure this product is top notch coming from Apexcone.
Dont be fooled by pre-production units that are being sold by vendors not related to Apexcone.

Spoke with Josh @ Autowerks on the phone today and he is a great Guy to deal with...

I would recommend going thru Autowerks. :clap:

I haven't received mine yet...but I have to agree that Josh does seem like a very nice guy. I have spoken to him on several occasions, and he was more than willing to answer all my questions. IMO, I think autowerks have tried their best to produce a quality product. Sure, these were promised months ago, BUT I am definitely glad they waited until a quality product was generated before selling to the public.

[DarXide]

I haven't received mine yet...but I have to agree that Josh does seem like a very nice guy. I have spoken to him on several occasions, and he was more than willing to answer all my questions. IMO, I think autowerks have tried their best to produce a quality product. Sure, these were promised months ago, BUT I am definitely glad they waited until a quality product was generated before selling to the public.

That's how it should be. I wouldn't want my LED's to flicker like pre-production Tails.

I rather get it from the source, that way I know I'm getting the fully tested and completed Tails.:thumbup:

[323iT]

ordered mines...
cant wait

[big pimp]

ordered mine also.

josh took the time and manners to come onto MSN and chat to me here in northern irelland, and i cannot wait to get mine over.

as soon as i have, i'll fire up a couple of pics

[Josh@AutoWerks]

ordered mine also.

josh took the time and manners to come onto MSN and chat to me here in northern irelland, and i cannot wait to get mine over.

as soon as i have, i'll fire up a couple of pics
It was my pleasure to help you out. Just let me know if you need any other assistance.

Josh

[Josh@AutoWerks]

I want to clear a few things up about this product that we are getting a lot of questions on.

If anyone doubts the facts as stated, please feel free to verify any and all details with the manufacturer: Eagle Eyes at 886-2-2763-5900-1 and ask for Kevin Lin.

Specifically, there is another thread claiming to have Eagle Eye E46 LEDs for sale and as the exclusive US distributor of this product, we need to make a few things absolutely clear:

1. There are no production versions of this light available anywhere right now. How do I know this? Because AutoWerks has already purchased the first entire production run, which has not even shipped yet.

2. All lights you have seen in pictures and videos in this thread and any other thread are development PROTOTYPE units. They are not approved for retail sale and there has been a manufacturer recall for these units (see attachment). It would be highly irresponsible for any retailer to sell these units. There are significant safety issues associated with their use which includes potential damage to your vehicle.

3. If you buy a prototype unit, it will not be under manufacturer warranty.

4. The product in the other thread does not work properly. Did anyone see a clear image of the dash light failure indicator? Neither did I.

5. Our testing took much longer than anticipated, but our units work.

AutoWerks has been in business since 2000 and has developed a strong reputation of customer service and quality products. This situation is a first for us in dealing with a new product where another retailer is basically trying to get around legal contracts, sell recalled merchandise and place his customers at risk.

However, I encourage each of you to be your own consumer advocates. Call us if you have any questions, call Eagle Eye if you don't believe us.

The last thing the manufacturer or AutoWerks wants is for faulty units to reach the market. Please understand that this post is us trying to protect our investment and our customers.

The good news: we will have more pictures in the next couple of days! Stay tuned!!

(click image to enlarge)

http://www.autowerks.com/temp/ledrecall.jpg (http://www.autowerks.com/temp/ledrecall.pdf)

[Nuori]

Thanks for the heads up. Matt still continues to tell me how Jim made this whole "recall" up and to damage his business and sales even yesterday. Finally some hard questions have been sincerely addressed. Good job AutoWerks! :)


I've lost all credibility in Matt and his shady practices and will no longer look twice at them, period.

[DarXide]

Thanks for the heads up. Matt still continues to tell me how Jim made this whole "recall" up and to damage his business and sales even yesterday. Finally some hard questions have been sincerely addressed. Good job AutoWerks! :)


I've lost all credibility in Matt and his shady practices and will no longer look twice at them, period.

I will have to agree..

[jsp98m3]

Any Taiwanese readers want to call and check the facts directly? Genuinely, I encourage you to do so. Kevin will stop answering the phone if he gets too many calls.

Please be courteous of Kevin's time if you call. He is the #3 person in management at Eagle Eyes and is pretty busy. But I know he would also like to have this put to rest. Kevin speaks moderate English so I encourage only native Taiwanese to call. He speaks Mandarin as well as the local dialect.

Jim

[CNi2i]

Man,
There is so much talk and speculation flying around about these new LED taillights! I hope that when we finally receive these taillights from Autowerks sometime next week (finger crossed) that this topic can come to rest. Lets just wait until these taillights are actually installed on our cars before we past anymore judgement about these taillights (whether positive or negative).

[BimmaBwoy]

^^^^ agreed. I'm really looking foward to seeing the result of all this mess.

-Bimmabwoy

[DanteArizona]

At AA online....

When ordering these LEDs for the '05 Sedan....

1) These are plug and play?
2) Which "type" (i.e. "type 4" or "type ?") of Trunk light do I need? Are these LED as well?
3) These are Red/White with no alignment issues to the trunk lights?

[Chris@AutoWerks]

At AA online....

When ordering these LEDs for the '05 Sedan....

1) These are plug and play?
2) Which "type" (i.e. "type 4" or "type ?") of Trunk light do I need? Are these LED as well?
3) These are Red/White with no alignment issues to the trunk lights?

1) These are plug & play.
2) We will have pictures of all the inner trunk lenses shortly on our website.
3) The LED Tail Lights are an OEM fit and finish. So yes, there wont be any alignment issues.

PS. Whats AA online?

[Cobra]

sweet :clap:

[DarXide]

1) These are plug & play.
2) We will have pictures of all the inner trunk lenses shortly on our website.
3) The LED Tail Lights are an OEM fit and finish. So yes, there wont be any alignment issues.

PS. Whats AA online?
Are the trunk lights OEM coupe trunk lights or OEM sedan trunk lights (the ones that come with the set of OEM clears)?

Thanks:)

[Chris@AutoWerks]

Are the trunk lights OEM coupe trunk lights or OEM sedan trunk lights (the ones that come with the set of OEM clears)?

Thanks:)

We're still working on the trunk lenses. We'll keep you posted. :)

[Chris@AutoWerks]

There may be controversy about the E46 LED tail lights, but one thing is for certain: we have the hottest pictures! :thumbup:

http://www.autowerks.com/temp/led_lynn.jpg

[rayxi]

Nice pic! But any picture of lights should show high beams. :)

[DarXide]

We're still working on the trunk lenses. We'll keep you posted. :)

Cool Thanks:thumbup:

BTW does anybody know if coupe trunk lights fit the sedan???:dunno:

[Chris@AutoWerks]

Cool Thanks:thumbup:

BTW does anybody know if coupe trunk lights fit the sedan???:dunno:

The coupe lights don't fit the sedans. The sedans light are slightly bigger than the coupes.

[DarXide]

There may be controversy about the E46 LED tail lights, but one thing is for certain: we have the hottest pictures! :thumbup:

http://www.autowerks.com/temp/led_lynn.jpg

OMG:drool:

Me likey...

phone number please...:)

[Chris@AutoWerks]

Here's an update: Coupe Trunk Lens Pictures

Type 1 Coupe:
http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2239

Type 2 Coupe:
http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2240

[DarXide]

Here's an update: Coupe Trunk Lens Pictures

Type 1 Coupe:
http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2239

Type 2 Coupe:
http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2240

Everybody is waiting on the trunk light option for the sedan...:)
Plzzzzz:thumbup:

[jEEliX]

OMG:drool:

Me likey...

phone number please...:)

LOL same thing I was thinking!

Damn that girl is FINE! How old is she? 22 23?

[gsxr mixxer]

sedan trunk lights would be nice????? if i ordered these mine wouldnt line up with the trunk lights. :dunno:

[Josh@AutoWerks]

We PROMISE to have the sedan trunk pics tomorrow:)

[DarXide]

We PROMISE to have the sedan trunk pics tomorrow:)
Thanks Josh..
You are the man..:clap:

BTW did you get my Info for the sponsorship???:)

Thanks
Alfonso

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Thanks Josh..
You are the man..:clap:

BTW did you get my Info for the sponsorship???:)

Thanks
Alfonso
Sure did...PM Sent!

[Xenomanon]

:bump: for teh hottie!

Chris has one posted in the General Forum too. Nice job Chris.

[gsxr mixxer]

sedan trunk lights would be nice????? if i ordered these mine wouldnt line up with the trunk lights. :dunno:

im still waiting

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Ok guys, here are pictures of what all the available trunk lights look like. I have one sedan lens next to the actual LED light but not the other yet. That one is coming soon.

Coupe and Sedan trunk lights are NOT interchangeable. Sorry.

<img src="http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2251"><img src="http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2252">



<img src="http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2253"><img src="http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2254">


<img src="http://www.autowerks.com/xcart/product_image.php?imageid=2255">

[Solid]

Nice the Type 3 looks perfect, was that so hard guys? hehe. thanks though!

[chandz]

Guys, imagine type 1 on a sedan. Looks so good! :thumbup: Too bad they didn't make type 1 for sedan. :dunno:

Chris/Josh/Jim: I have a question that has been asked couple of times before, but I just haven't seen anyone answered it. Why is the inner ring of the brake light more concave than the outer ring? :hmm:

[chandz]

I had to ask :)

[Custom3]

Dec 16??....shipped any out yet??:dunno:

[DarXide]

Dec 16??....shipped any out yet??:dunno:

Josh was getting the list ready this morning for the factory so they can ship them out ASAP..:)

[CNi2i]

I had to ask :)

Yeah, I actually was wondering the same thing. The OEM coupes are not like that, right?

[DarXide]

Jim,

When you were talking about accessories for the LEDs a couple days ago did you mean Coupe trunk lights???hehe:mischief:
That would be very cool...

[VoteForPedro]

Chris/Josh/Jim: I have a question that has been asked couple of times before, but I just haven't seen anyone answered it. Why is the inner ring of the brake light more concave than the outer ring? :hmm:
:werd:

[jEEliX]

What determines which style trunk lights we get with our sedan LEDs? Do u guys just randomly stick either kind into the boxes?

[M3thanh]

how are these different from oems?

[big pimp]

josh, can i just check, or confirm that my coupe trunk lights are the type 1s as seen above?

order number is #18345

thanks again mate

ross

[jsp98m3]

Chris/Josh/Jim: I have a question that has been asked couple of times before, but I just haven't seen anyone answered it. Why is the inner ring of the brake light more concave than the outer ring? :hmm:

There is some mistaken information on another thread, I don't know why.

On the Coupe taillights, the inner and outer ring LEDs are equally curved. On the Sedan, the trunk side band is more curved than the outer (fender) side band. This is a packaging requirement but does not really have that big of a visual effect.

I suspect this misinformation is due to the problems of others possibly having coupe lights to test on Sedans. Ergo, the open trunk pics? Beats me.

Autowerks will be making an informational post on pending government actions regarding these lights. This will have a small effect on people buying through Apexcone dealers. We'll make a short announcement and add more information when the formal paperwork from the factory/NHTSA/DOT is received.

Here is a pic of the affected area on a Sedan light.



Jim

[Josh@AutoWerks]

What determines which style trunk lights we get with our sedan LEDs? Do u guys just randomly stick either kind into the boxes?
Everyone I have on my list to include trunk lens should have been contacted to see which one they prefer. If you have NOT been contacted please call me at 1-800-221-2262 and I will take care of it for you. :)

[323iT]

did the taillights ship yet? i checked my status online and it says pending

[CNi2i]

did the taillights ship yet? i checked my status online and it says pending

I was wondering the same thing. Supposedly, they were supposed to start shipping on the 16th. And supposedly, we were to receive them before Christmas time. Has anyone received a tracking number yet?!

[ADA]

Nah---Jim Powell will come on here within a few days and give an excuse why the products haven't been shipped.

He used "stuck" in customs before
he used shipped to the wrong port before
he used manufacturer recall

I am so anxious to see what excuse Jim will come up with next.

[CNi2i]

Nah---Jim Powell will come on here within a few days and give an excuse why the products haven't been shipped.

He used "stuck" in customs before
he used shipped to the wrong port before
he used manufacturer recall

I am so anxious to see what excuse Jim will come up with next.
Really? I had not known that. If true, there will be a lot of disappointed, frustrated, and upset fanatics. Me included.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

In reference to the last couple of questions: Due to the time zone difference, the manufacturers factory doesn't open up until 5:00pm pacific time, so we haven't had a chance to talk to them yet today. As far as we know, everything is still on schedule. We'll keep you posted though :)

[DarXide]

Nah---Jim Powell will come on here within a few days and give an excuse why the products haven't been shipped.

He used "stuck" in customs before
he used shipped to the wrong port before
he used manufacturer recall

I am so anxious to see what excuse Jim will come up with next.

:slap::****:

[Custom3]

:cry: Unless our tailights get shipped out tomorrow the 21st or the 22nd on next day delivery then well have them before christmas as we were told.....i got a feeling that aint happening.:dunno:

[ADA]

:slap:<img src="http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/****.gif" />

Mark my word kid. I will have the last laugh. You are still a newbie. If you know Jim Powell like I do from bimmerforums.com and e46fanatics you will know exactly what I am talking about.

Here is my "predicition:" The factory is delaying the release of the LED lights because of X and X. We are sorry.

[big pimp]

any update on these yet?

[BMW_Knight]

^^^^^ What he said

[big pimp]

bump it up again....
seriously dude, any chance?

i sent both you and chris PM's about it - can you please confirm?

i appreciate you are both busy guys, and obviously there are more than just me waiting for these, but i'm all the way over here in northern ireland and it's difficult for me to get in touch at times!

cheers mate

[Josh@AutoWerks]

OK, there has been a lot of work going on behind the scenes and I know you all want an update. Please realize that we are working extremely hard to make sure you get a quality product as soon as humanly possible. The factory is also working feverishly on this product. But, there are some events that have occured that are out of our immediate control that have caused a delay in shipping.

I absolutely apologize for this delay and to help make up for it, we are giving free shipping to all first production run orders. That means if you have already placed your order with us, or place it by the end of December, we will pay for your shipping.

I also want to let you know WHY this delay occurred. As you know there was a recall issued on all sample/prototype units (see a post earlier in this thread for the recall notice). The factory was forced to issue this recall because unfortunately, a handful of these sample units made it out into the market and were purchased by another retailer. The only way the factory could protect itself and prevent faulty units from entering the market was to issue this recall through the NHTSA. This other retailer received official notice from Eagle Eyes on the recall and was directly contacted by the NHTSA notifying him that they could not sell these units.

The result is that this retailer has failed to comply with the recall. This forced the factory into a situation where they are revamping part of their production process to enable them to attach individual serial numbers to each unit and to adequately differentiate US spec and Euro spec models. The Euro spec versions will be labeled warning that they cannot be used on US spec cars due to possible electrical damage. I feel that this should have been done from day one, but that is the situation we are in.

The result is that you will know 100% that your units are production versions and that you are not being sold re-tooled Euro versions that do not meet factory specifications, are not DOT approved and not covered by the factory warranty.

A couple of things to keep in mind:


There are no production units in existence today. Once DOT approval is finalized, serial numbered production units will ship. We hope that this will occur in the next 10-14 days.
Only US spec production units will be DOT approved and will be backed by the manufacturer warranty. Only AutoWerks is selling US spec units right now so all others advertised for sale are not US spec and not covered by a warranty.
This recall is for everyone's protection. Nobody wants to trust their lives or their family's lives to faulty tail lights.
As always, you can always call us to discuss any details or concerns that you have. We are as frustrated with this delay as you are and we are working non-stop to get these out the door.


Thanks for your patience on this one guys. Feel free to vent, we totally understand, but we want you to receive what you are paying for.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

I know it is small consolation, but here is a hottie pic to take away some of the pain:

<center>
<img src="http://www.autowerks.com/temp/lynn_e46_4.jpg"></center>

[ADA]

OK, there has been a lot of work going on behind the scenes and I know you all want an update. Please realize that we are working extremely hard to make sure you get a quality product as soon as humanly possible. The factory is also working feverishly on this product. But, there are some events that have occured that are out of our immediate control that have caused a delay in shipping.

I absolutely apologize for this delay and to help make up for it, we are giving free shipping to all first production run orders. That means if you have already placed your order with us, or place it by the end of December, we will pay for your shipping.

I also want to let you know WHY this delay occurred. As you know there was a recall issued on all sample/prototype units (see a post earlier in this thread for the recall notice). The factory was forced to issue this recall because unfortunately, a handful of these sample units made it out into the market and were purchased by another retailer. The only way the factory could protect itself and prevent faulty units from entering the market was to issue this recall through the NHTSA. This other retailer received official notice from Eagle Eyes on the recall and was directly contacted by the NHTSA notifying him that they could not sell these units.

The result is that this retailer has failed to comply with the recall. This forced the factory into a situation where they are revamping part of their production process to enable them to attach individual serial numbers to each unit and to adequately differentiate US spec and Euro spec models. The Euro spec versions will be labeled warning that they cannot be used on US spec cars due to possible electrical damage. I feel that this should have been done from day one, but that is the situation we are in.

The result is that you will know 100% that your units are production versions and that you are not being sold re-tooled Euro versions that do not meet factory specifications, are not DOT approved and not covered by the factory warranty.

A couple of things to keep in mind:


There are no production units in existence today. Once DOT approval is finalized, serial numbered production units will ship. We hope that this will occur in the next 10-14 days.
Only US spec production units will be DOT approved and will be backed by the manufacturer warranty. Only AutoWerks is selling US spec units right now so all others advertised for sale are not US spec and not covered by a warranty.
This recall is for everyone's protection. Nobody wants to trust their lives or their family's lives to faulty tail lights.
As always, you can always call us to discuss any details or concerns that you have. We are as frustrated with this delay as you are and we are working non-stop to get these out the door.


Thanks for your patience on this one guys. Feel free to vent, we totally understand, but we want you to receive what you are paying for.


YEAH!!!! Thanks for the update. Not want I really wanted to hear but at least it is an update.

Oh well. No LED lights in 2005 =(

[big pimp]

i have just spoken to Josh and he more than helped the situation.

i dont care about not getting lights in 2005, as long as i am getting the correct ones (even thought i'm european, i'm still getting the US spec ones)

Josh is a good guy, and seems to be making every effort possible to make sure fellow E46 fanatics get the correct deal.

free shipping - that is great.... shipping for me was $70 (i do live in the UK) so i am getting the type 1 boot lights.

once again, i would just like to thank Josh for all his hard work and effort going into this.... he is a gentleman

[CNi2i]

This is so f@#**ing frustrating. I had a sick feeling this would happen. I know it's somewhat out of your control...but damn. I don't know how many more delays we can take.
There, I vented! Again, I rather get a properly working product than one that is defective. So, I appreciate that you guys are making sure we are getting the "good" stuff. But you guys have to realize that as paying customers, there comes a point where we might just say, lets forget about the taillights altogether.

Thanks for the free shipping. That lets us know that you guys do realize how frustrating it is to wait so long.

[Custom3]

here we go again....:cry:

[Nuori]

Today I had the pleasure to meet with Josh, Chris, and Ian, who are great guys and won't let these comprise sales over safely or/and quality (no exaggeration.) They know their stuff! It was a privilege to be able to work with them.

I am very pleased to say when I went to AutoWerks this afternoon, I had the opportunity to do the testing on these to my car. The quality and the fitment was OEM-like or even better. Seriously, these are going to be the next best thing.


There will be some photos come tomorrow with the non-production unit. Stay tuned!

[323iT]

so how would the refund for shipping work for us who already made the order?

[DarXide]

Josh...Thanks for the update..:thumbup:
I spoke with Jim earlier today and he told me about it..
BTW can you please make sure I get Type 4 trunk lights?
Thanks


P.S.: Umnitza please send your LED Tail Lights back to the factory so we can all get our tail lights.
Thank You

[ADA]

Josh...Thanks for the update..:thumbup:
I spoke with Jim earlier today and he told me about it..
BTW can you please make sure I get Type 4 trunk lights?
Thanks


P.S.: Umnitza please send your LED Tail Lights back to the factory so we can all get our tail lights.
Thank You


Nah---Jim Powell will come on here within a few days and give an excuse why the products haven't been shipped.

He used "stuck" in customs before
he used shipped to the wrong port before
he used manufacturer recall

I am so anxious to see what excuse Jim will come up with next.


I told you kid but you didn't listen. Jim operates with broken promises. Sadly, he is tarnishing such a good company (Autowerks) with his lies and false promises.

[DarXide]

I told you kid but you didn't listen. Jim operates with broken promises. Sadly, he is tarnishing such a good company (Autowerks) with his lies and false promises.

You know why we cant get the LED's...
Your friend has to send the LED back to the factory so we can all get our LED's.

[big pimp]

You know why we cant get the LED's...
Your friend has to send the LED back to the factory so we can all get our LED's.

what he said....

and dont act the dumbass ADA - you know what we know....

so how would the refund for shipping work for us who already made the order?

prob be refunded back to your C/Card, but i'm sure Josh will confirm this in due course

[ADA]

what he said....

and dont act the dumbass ADA - you know what we know....





There is no need for that kind of street talk in the "vendor" section. Either your take your hot irish agression in the "off topic" section or you leave it in Ireland.

Anyhow, what Jim Powell says no longer seems to amaze me. Jim told everyone that LED are completed and will shipped before x-mas. Since this is another promise that Jim can't keep he is now deflecting all the blame away from him by blaming other vendors, the factory, the recall, and DOT. It is basic psychology 101. let me explain


1) LEDs lights were announced by Jim over a year ago. Everyone got excited. People advance ordered.

2) Delays after delays after the "released date" been push further and further.
Jim and autowerks stop responding and replying to e46fanatics' members.

3) A ebay seller first broke the news and announced working copy of LEDs. Everyone was excited. Other vendors jumped in a offer a similiar group buy

4) Out of the blue, Jim and autowerks started to reply and talk to their paying customers after they have been ignoring and neglecting them for 3-4 months. Jim said that he has the lights and it will shipped before x-mas. People were happy. more orders were made.

5) Since I personally know Jim for over 3 yrs, I know how he operates on making false promises that he can't keep. I was a skeptic and I know the LED wouldn't shipped.

LED would not shipped because there was no "update/progress" until the ebay seller showed up. OUT OF THE BLUE the LEDs are completed without any previous pre-view, update, status, and fanfare. This is a sign that Jim is lying again.

6) Obvisously, the LED light did not again meet their released date. Customers are now mad and upset. Jim has to make up another excuse to deflect the "blame."

7) To save his own azz and to save his face, he blamed the factory, the recall, and other vendors. People that know the entire situation since DAY 1 will tell you that Jim latest excuse is nothing but another typical attempt not to accept responsibility.

8) People that knows the recall business will support the following comments:
Even Jim will agreed with me because he mentioned the same thing in previous posts.

once a recall been issued the factory are no longer held liable. The factory can't force people to send back their recalled units. The extent of the factory responsibility is informing its VENDOR, customers, and the Government. If the vendors or customers refused to obey the recall then it would be they (vendors and customers) that will be laible for any damages. The factory already did their part.

9) So as you can see, blaming the shipment of the LEDs on "rogue vendors" is a attempt not to accept responsibility for not being able to fullfill his promises.


Business advice to Jim:

Stop making promises that you can't keep. It is understanble that there are delays. delays are normal. However, when delays happen just accept responsibilty. Just say "I am sorry." very simple. leave your pride and ego out the door.

Business advice to Autowerks:
Autowerks is a great vendor that provides great service and products to the
e46fanatics community at very reasonable price.
However, by "associating" them with the shaddy and unprofessional business pratice of Jim Powell they are ONLY tarnish their good reputation. Cut your ties with Jim Powell and deal with the factory together. Jim Powell is nothing but a "middle man."

[Custom3]

:yikes:
I hope the free shipping isnt a lie also...i ordered these about 7 months ago and already got charge for the lights including shipping...were near the holidays and that money would have really helped around this time a year....it feels like a let someone borrow money and they keep coming with excuses as to why i havent been payed back yet.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

:yikes:
I hope the free shipping isnt a lie also...i ordered these about 7 months ago and already got charge for the lights including shipping...were near the holidays and that money would have really helped around this time a year....it feels like a let someone borrow money and they keep coming with excuses as to why i havent been payed back yet.
PM Sent

[Josh@AutoWerks]

:yikes:
I hope the free shipping isnt a lie also...
No lies. All shipping charges will be refunded back to our customers for the inconvenience.

[Custom3]

PM Sent

Thanks Josh :thumbup:

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Here are some more pictures of the tail lights on the sedan with the Type 3 and Type 4 trunk lights installed. HUGE thanks to Brad for stopping by and allowing us to use his super clean 323 for these pictures. :thumbup:
<img src="http://www.autowerks.com/temp/brad_led_2.jpg"><img src="http://www.autowerks.com/temp/brad_led_3.jpg">
<img src="http://www.autowerks.com/temp/brad_led_4.jpg"><img src="http://www.autowerks.com/temp/brad_led_1.jpg">

[BimmaBwoy]

Very very very nice.
Question: do you charge to the account even though the lights aren't shipped out yet?

this should be directed to Jim (or anyone w/ the knowhow)
b) are there any plans to correct the concavity of the LED's outer rings?(one half of the ring is more concave than the other). Not really a big deal I just want to know if they are planning on making a revised version then releasing @ a later date
c) is Jim planning on (maybe) making a trunk light portion that is also led's therefore giving the entire rear the LED look? if not what are future plans for LED tails for sedans?(red/clear/red version??)

Thanks a bunch guys,
Bimmabwoy

[CNi2i]

Thanks for posting pictures. And yes, thank you Brad for using your car for demonstration purposes. I am glad to hear from Brad that the taillights will fit just like OEM!
I assume that these taillights were pre-production taillights. If not, I would love to see a picture of the LED taillights lit up.

[///ACS330Ci]

Thanks for the new pics Josh. Did you take any from the inside? :)

[phatmustang73]

the type 4 trunklights are:thumbup:

[MITE46]

So what's the update with these...are they shipping?

[Eduardo1971]

No love for the drop top:cry: :cry:

Ya' know, LED tail lights have been available from BMW for sometime now.

It's us sedan E46 fanatics that have been given 'no love'.

[Eduardo1971]

How was your vacation in the caves of Afghanistan?

Many things have happened while you were gone! ;)


:lmao: :lmao:

[jEEliX]

A head on picture of the type 4 trunk lights installed on a car would be very nice, like you guys have of the type 3s.

Until further notice Order receipt #18287 would like the type 3 trunk lights. Thanks!

[Eduardo1971]

[QUOTE=chandz]Guys, imagine type 1 on a sedan. Looks so good! :thumbup: Too bad they didn't make type 1 for sedan. :dunno:

I was thinking the same thing.:drool:

[Eduardo1971]

I would also LOVE the current European RED/CLEAR/RED tail light scheme but with the LED lights. Are these planned in the future (as much as I would LOVE LED lights on my sedan, I'm not digging the coupe/M3 lighting scheme.

Cheers!

[jEEliX]

Prefacelift sedans actually had the so called "coupe/m3 lighting scheme"....

[chandz]

[QUOTE=chandz]Guys, imagine type 1 on a sedan. Looks so good! :thumbup: Too bad they didn't make type 1 for sedan. :dunno:

I was thinking the same thing.:drool:

:werd:
Someone, please photoshop Type 1 on sedan with LED tailight installed. Please? :bow:

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Very very very nice.
Question: do you charge to the account even though the lights aren't shipped out yet?

this should be directed to Jim (or anyone w/ the knowhow)
b) are there any plans to correct the concavity of the LED's outer rings?(one half of the ring is more concave than the other). Not really a big deal I just want to know if they are planning on making a revised version then releasing @ a later date
c) is Jim planning on (maybe) making a trunk light portion that is also led's therefore giving the entire rear the LED look? if not what are future plans for LED tails for sedans?(red/clear/red version??)

Thanks a bunch guys,
Bimmabwoy

PM Sent

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Thanks for the new pics Josh. Did you take any from the inside? :)
Hmmm...didn't think of that. I will be sure to next time around. The LED tail lights do come with backing plates with integrated trunk lights.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

A head on picture of the type 4 trunk lights installed on a car would be very nice, like you guys have of the type 3s.

Until further notice Order receipt #18287 would like the type 3 trunk lights. Thanks!
I'll try to get you one. I have you down for a set of type 3s :thumbup:

[DanteArizona]

After all the posts and flames and wants and not wants....Answer a question.

Are Sedan LEDs (with Type 3 trunk) available and ready to ship or not??
(Credit Card in hand)..

[big pimp]

any more word on the other vendor sending his back so we cna got ours out?

[RRRize]

Do the LEDs blink amber or white? If they are amber, are there any plans of introducing white in the future?

Thanks.

Ron

[Nuori]

Do the LEDs blink amber or white? If they are amber, are there any plans of introducing white in the future?

Thanks.

Ron

Amber. white isn't legal.

[RRRize]

Amber. white isn't legal.

Still want it in white.

[BigDoe]

After all the posts and flames and wants and not wants....Answer a question.

Are Sedan LEDs (with Type 3 trunk) available and ready to ship or not??
(Credit Card in hand)..

I agree with you man... seriously

[Custom3]

:banghead:

[DarXide]

Still want it in white.
A white halogen bulb is bright and dangerous. The LEDS in white would guarantee you a ticket no matter where in the US you are.

[jEEliX]

After all the posts and flames and wants and not wants....Answer a question.

Are Sedan LEDs (with Type 3 trunk) available and ready to ship or not??
(Credit Card in hand)..

Id like to know also, mine are paid for but when are they gonna get here!?!?

[RRRize]

A white halogen bulb is bright and dangerous. The LEDS in white would guarantee you a ticket no matter where in the US you are.

I have white bulbs currently in my rear signals and have never had a problem. The whites in my rear signals are hella bright too!

So, how about some white LED turn signals please???

[Custom3]

wow...2 weeks everything look like it was going to happend....we were going to finally have our leds before christmas...whats going on??...how much longer??

[suprtran]

TO all COUPE owners: why not save yourself time/hassel/possibly extra expenses and call Crevier BMW to order a set of new OEM BMW LED tails (inlcudes updated trunk lights) and a plug and play adapter? The OEM set costs ~$450 and is well worth the extra ~$130 in terms of product quality, reliability, and functionality. Call Crevier BMW (located in SoCal) and ask for 'Vaheh' in Internet Parts Sales.

TO all SEDAN owners: It's a shame BMW didn't develop LEDs for you guys. But hopefully these aftermarket versions will available soon.:thumbup:

[///ACS330Ci]

TO all COUPE owners: why not save yourself time/hassel/possibly extra expenses and call Crevier BMW to order a set of new OEM BMW LED tails (inlcudes updated trunk lights) and a plug and play adapter? The OEM set costs ~$450 and is well worth the extra ~$130 in terms of product quality, reliability, and functionality. Call Crevier BMW (located in SoCal) and ask for 'Vaheh' in Internet Parts Sales.

"plug and play adapter"? Did they come up with something so you don't need a new LCM and dealer reprogamming?

[suprtran]

"plug and play adapter"? Did they come up with something so you don't need a new LCM and dealer reprogamming?

I don't remember Vaheh mentioning that the LCM would require flashing but he would have told me so if it did. I highly suggest you call Vaheh directly - 800.309.2318 - and ask him that yourself. He's extremely helpful and definitely knows his stuff. You can mention that Peter referred you, he will not give you any further discounts for doing so, but at least he has some person of reference.

[CNi2i]

wow...2 weeks everything look like it was going to happend....we were going to finally have our leds before christmas...whats going on??...how much longer??

Man, I know exactly what you're saying. Of course we all want properly functioning led taillights, but this extended wait is getting very tiring. I know that if these are not shipped to us in January, I will probably pull out. I want to use this $ towards a new front bumper, and maybe just wait on these taillights :dunno:

[Xenomanon]

I don't see why people thread jack sponsors.. :dunno:

[DarXide]

Any Update guys..:dunno:

[Custom3]

Any Update guys..:dunno:

Nothing for the past 2 weeks :cry:

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Hi guys,

Not much new to report yet, but this is what we expected.

Jim is personally meeting with the Eagle Eyes executive team tomorrow. Just to recap the current situation:

- Eagle Eyes is very upset that some prototype units made it to the retail market. These were basically sold "off the back of a truck" and it never should have happened. The manufacturer is alarmed that these are being marketed as "production units" so they had to issue a recall to protect themselves. Imagine the lawsuit if someone dies in a rear-end collision from these units.

- Recall notices were sent by registered mail to all prototype unit holders (including AutoWerks and Jim).

- The NHTSA sent an email to the other retailer informing him that there is a $15,000 fine per unit for selling recalled units. The retailer refuses to acknowledge that these are prototypes even though the manufacturer has stated that is exactly what they are.

- These developments have delayed our launch. The manufacturer wants to take the extra steps of achieving full DOT approval rather that meeting DOT specs which is what most aftermarket manufacturers do.

- The manufacturer is also going to add individual serial numbers to the production units so you can determine if it is a real production unit and that you are not getting a Euro spec unit when you ordered a US spec unit.

- All Euro Spec units will have a sticker applied stating that they cannot be used on US spec vehicles without risk of electrical damage.

- The manufacturer has stated that only US spec version sold through ApexCone/AutoWerks will receive the factory warranty.

That is it for now. We hope to have more updates tomorrow. My best guess at this point is that we ship very early in January.

Thanks for your patience and if you have any questions, please feel free to call us at 800.221.2262.

[deraufschneider]

thanks for the update josh:thumbup:

[jEEliX]

:cry:

[DarXide]

Hi guys,

Not much new to report yet, but this is what we expected.

Jim is personally meeting with the Eagle Eyes executive team tomorrow. Just to recap the current situation:

- Eagle Eyes is very upset that some prototype units made it to the retail market. These were basically sold "off the back of a truck" and it never should have happened. The manufacturer is alarmed that these are being marketed as "production units" so they had to issue a recall to protect themselves. Imagine the lawsuit if someone dies in a rear-end collision from these units.

- Recall notices were sent by registered mail to all prototype unit holders (including AutoWerks and Jim).

- The NHTSA sent an email to the other retailer informing him that there is a $15,000 fine per unit for selling recalled units. The retailer refuses to acknowledge that these are prototypes even though the manufacturer has stated that is exactly what they are.

- These developments have delayed our launch. The manufacturer wants to take the extra steps of achieving full DOT approval rather that meeting DOT specs which is what most aftermarket manufacturers do.

- The manufacturer is also going to add individual serial numbers to the production units so you can determine if it is a real production unit and that you are not getting a Euro spec unit when you ordered a US spec unit.

- All Euro Spec units will have a sticker applied stating that they cannot be used on US spec vehicles without risk of electrical damage.

- The manufacturer has stated that only US spec version sold through ApexCone/AutoWerks will receive the factory warranty.

That is it for now. We hope to have more updates tomorrow. My best guess at this point is that we ship very early in January.

Thanks for your patience and if you have any questions, please feel free to call us at 800.221.2262.

Thanks Josh..:bawling:

[///ToPaZiaN_E46]

so are the facelift sedan owners gonna see any updated trunk lights to go w/ these lights?

[///ACS330Ci]

- The manufacturer is also going to add individual serial numbers to the production units so you can determine if it is a real production unit and that you are not getting a Euro spec unit when you ordered a US spec unit.


Good idea :thumbup:

[GBond007]

So what is the status now after the executive meeting?

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Another update:

The meeting went well and Eagle Eyes estimates that the first production units will ship on January 10th.:clap: We have 100 units for the first run so it will more than cover the current orders.

We are still offering free shipping on any orders placed by the end of the year to help make up for the delays. If you place the order online, it will show a shipping cost, but we will remove that when we process your order.

We have had a few questions on if we have worked out the "bugs" noted by a different retailer. Please understand that we have fully tested our US spec units and they work flawlessly. I think there is some confusion between our US Spec units and the prototype/Euro Spec units being tested elsewhere on US cars.

I will keep everyone up to date on any other developments, but right now things look great!

[DarXide]

Another update:

The meeting went well and Eagle Eyes estimates that the first production units will ship on January 10th.:clap: We have 100 units for the first run so it will more than cover the current orders.

We are still offering free shipping on any orders placed by the end of the year to help make up for the delays. If you place the order online, it will show a shipping cost, but we will remove that when we process your order.

We have had a few questions on if we have worked out the "bugs" noted by a different retailer. Please understand that we have fully tested our US spec units and they work flawlessly. I think there is some confusion between our US Spec units and the prototype/Euro Spec units being tested elsewhere on US cars.

I will keep everyone up to date on any other developments, but right now things look great!

Thanks Josh:clap:

[CNi2i]

I am cautiously optimistic. I appreciate the good news :clap: , but I hope this jan. 10th date doesn't turn out to be another "dec. 16th" thing. As much as I want these taillights, I will likely pull my order if there's another delay for whatever reason.
Josh, thanks for keeping us in the loop :thanks:

[Josh@AutoWerks]

I am cautiously optimistic. I appreciate the good news :clap: , but I hope this jan. 10th date doesn't turn out to be another "dec. 16th" thing. As much as I want these taillights, I will likely pull my order if there's another delay for whatever reason.
Josh, thanks for keeping us in the loop :thanks:

I absolutely understand. These delays are equally frustrating to us! You would not believe the amount of cursing and hair pulling that has gone on around our office over this product.

I promise that it will be worth the wait!

[CNi2i]

Hey Josh,
I totally understand that this entire ordeal has been very frustrating for you and your crew over at autowerks too. Obviously, you want these taillights to reach your customers asap. I agree, these taillights are worth the wait. That is why so many of us fanatics are still waiting around for these to be shipped.

Bottom line is...we'll probably all forget about the long wait if these taillights look and perform the way they should :thumbup:

[chandz]

Chris/Josh/Jim: Just a few pointers & questions regarding to the LED tail light design which bothers me so much.

First, take a look on the area circled in red. I see a gap. :dunno:

Second, I was told that the "LED" pointed by yellow arrow is actually a screw. The screw probably holds a certain reason why it's there, but for me it just doesn't look good with all the LEDs. In addition, when the turn signal (all the LEDs) blinks, there'll be one spot (and that is located at the center top) of the area that won't, of course, blinks.

Third, based on all the pictures of the LED tail light installed with the trunk light, I personally think there's no "flow" as someone pointed out before. I don't feel the trunk light matches the new LED tail light. For instance, on the picture we see type 3 trunk light installed next to the LED tail light. The area circled in blue shows that the red (film? spot light? what do you call that?) is higher than the other. In addition, the white (back up) lens has a dull look, while the LED's has crystal clear look.

Furthermore, type 4 trunk light on the picture, it's just not "right" (imho) to have facelifted style trunk light next to pre-facelifted tail light. Although, I admit it's the best bet to match the LED tail light in manner of "crystal clear look" both the red & white lens.

But again, it just doesn't "flow." Call me conservative, call me factory design fanatic. I do believe that's why BMW looks like BMW. I'm aware that this is not OEM BMW LED tail light and that is also why it won't possess the OEM perfection (Oh, did I mention the inner ring of brake light is more curved that the outer?). But hey! You guys did a excellent job in designing it to match the OEM spec :clap: But why stop at, let's say, 90%? Why don't you guys go all the way to 100% OEM BMW? :thumbup:

[MITE46]

I don't think it'll ever be completely oem since the sedan tails are almost 1 inch taller than coupes? If you think about it and you have a original that isn't tall enough...wouldn't you just enlarge the reflector at the bottom? I think thats also why the curvature is off...The shape of the tails are slight different where there wasn't space to make it even on both sides? I think its already pretty damn good for a non-oem...

http://e46.mit.edu/images/2004-09-06%20BMW%20OEM%20LED%20Tail%20Lights/IMG_8688.jpg

http://e46.mit.edu/images/2004-09-06%20BMW%20OEM%20LED%20Tail%20Lights/IMG_8705.jpg

The real question is when are they ready to shipppppp

[chandz]

You might think I intend to find and point only to look for flaws. But that's not the case. I just want the LED tail light to be in high-quality the same as you do. Oh yeah, did I mention that I work as a QC manager? :rofl:

[Custom3]

it will look retarded if theres a led missing cause of a screw...it would look like a blown out led....not cool

[Xenomanon]

I want this to end so my sister can get hers!

[Seth_Horwitz]

I think that the alignment issue highlighted in blue may be caused by the trunk being out of whack. It doesn't look right in the pictures. I'm not saying that the lights caused this, or didn't for that matter, just that the whole trunk may be throwing off perspective. Pics on another car may clear that up.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Wow, you have a good eye for detail! Let me try to address each of your issues.

First, take a look on the area circled in red. I see a gap. :dunno:

There is no gap, although in that particular picture the shadow makes it look that way. Look at the other shots and you cannot see a gap in that area.


Second, I was told that the "LED" pointed by yellow arrow is actually a screw.

Yup, it's a screw in the sedan version only. There is a mounting point behind that screw and it didn't leave room to put an LED there. I agree that this is not an ideal solution and while I am no engineer, I would have hoped that they could figure something else out. Not much we can do about this one - the molds are done and that screw is there to stay for now - sorry.

The area circled in blue shows that the red (film? spot light? what do you call that?) is higher than the other.

Actually, this isn't a misalignment of the lenses - it's the trunk. Take a look at the trunk light opening - not the light. It is sitting too high and makes the lenses look misaligned. We either didn't have the trunk closed all the way or Brad's trunk alighment is slightly off. The lenses have the same outer dimensions as the OEM units and use the same mounting points, so everything lines up as it should.

Trunk light selection will end up being a personal choice. I really like the Type 3 trunk light because I think it flows the best but the lens materials are not a perfect match. Type 4 is crystal clear but does not flow as well. I think they both look good, so it comes down to preference. I think the question becomes "Does it look better than my sad old halogen setup?" :thumbdwn:

[Xenomanon]

You're the man, Josh! :thumbup:

[DanteArizona]

Having finally seen pictures of the LED's....is it just me or do the trunk lights look like an afterthought? They look like completely different lights -- rather I should say, two different brands. I'm all for the main LED's -- they look awesome, but how can anyone feel comfortable with the obvious difference in the trunk lights? Perhaps im too anal, but at least my existing lights look like they belong together....all depends on whats important to you I guess...

Not a rant...just my $.02.. on top of other comments posted that were similar...


:dunno:

[DanteArizona]

I am in total agreement here....




Chris/Josh/Jim: Just a few pointers & questions regarding to the LED tail light design which bothers me so much.

First, take a look on the area circled in red. I see a gap. :dunno:

Second, I was told that the "LED" pointed by yellow arrow is actually a screw. The screw probably holds a certain reason why it's there, but for me it just doesn't look good with all the LEDs. In addition, when the turn signal (all the LEDs) blinks, there'll be one spot (and that is located at the center top) of the area that won't, of course, blinks.

Third, based on all the pictures of the LED tail light installed with the trunk light, I personally think there's no "flow" as someone pointed out before. I don't feel the trunk light matches the new LED tail light. For instance, on the picture we see type 3 trunk light installed next to the LED tail light. The area circled in blue shows that the red (film? spot light? what do you call that?) is higher than the other. In addition, the white (back up) lens has a dull look, while the LED's has crystal clear look.

Furthermore, type 4 trunk light on the picture, it's just not "right" (imho) to have facelifted style trunk light next to pre-facelifted tail light. Although, I admit it's the best bet to match the LED tail light in manner of "crystal clear look" both the red & white lens.

But again, it just doesn't "flow." Call me conservative, call me factory design fanatic. I do believe that's why BMW looks like BMW. I'm aware that this is not OEM BMW LED tail light and that is also why it won't possess the OEM perfection (Oh, did I mention the inner ring of brake light is more curved that the outer?). But hey! You guys did a excellent job in designing it to match the OEM spec :clap: But why stop at, let's say, 90%? Why don't you guys go all the way to 100% OEM BMW? :thumbup:

[Custom3]

thank god the coupe leds dont have that screw.....i got scared there for a second.

[CNi2i]

Hi Josh,
I unfortunately have to cancel my order right now #18283. I appreciate all of your help and dedication to this new product. I just can't live with the "screw" in place of an LED bulb. I know its minor, but I'm picky that way.
This has nothing to do with you or Autowerks whatsoever. This is just a personal decision.
So, please cancel my order # 18283 and please confirm this cancellation with me via email or pm.
Hopefully, we can do business sometime soon in the future.

[jEEliX]

Can we please get a good, stright on, close up photo of the type 4 trunk lights next to the taillights like you have of the type 3? I might want to switch which trunk lights I am getting. Thanks!

[Xenomanon]

CNi2i, you couldn't email him and tell him? Or maybe call him? You had to post it in a public forum for everyone to see. I don't understand that.

[CNi2i]

CNi2i, you couldn't email him and tell him? Or maybe call him? You had to post it in a public forum for everyone to see. I don't understand that.
I really like Josh and autowerks. I definitely didn't intend to hurt their reputation in anyways. I've talked to Josh over the phone, and he is very nice and professional. So my bad for posting that message. I can see how it looks now.
Again, I said that this is not anything personal againt autowerks. I just wanted to make sure that my order could be canceled before it ships out to avoid any other confusion.

[Xenomanon]

I personally think they look great and when I get my E46 Sedan I'm definitely going to get them. I just can't wait to put them on my sister's car and see how they look, then that will be the final deciding factor for myself. I honestly don't mind the screw, it doesn't look nearly as bad as any one makes it seem. Just be happy that it's not some other tail light that is a mix of LEDs/Bulb. This will be the closest thing to OEM LEDs for Sedans. :thumbsup: for LEDs!

[CNi2i]

I am sure there are a lot of fanatics who love the sedan taillights like yourself. I really doubt what I said will change anyone's decision on whether to buy or not. What I wrote was a "trigger response," b/c this was the first time I realized that there was going to be a screw there. It just caught me off guard. I might be missing out on something really good, but that's just my personal taste.
Enjoy your taillights.

[chandz]

My bad for pointing out the screw then :lmao: Anyway, these are just some facts (flaws/imperfections) some people including me found from the picture. Perhaps there'll be more to be found when the LED tail lights arrive in our hands. Perhaps there'll be less. Who knows? But one thing for sure, I haven't heard a refund policy on this. What if we changed our mind later when we installed it and said, "Hmm, I don't think it looks good on my car"?

I'm not trying to discourage people from buying this product. With respect, I raise my hat on Chris/Josh/Jim's efforts in developing the tail light. Like some people say, this is the best thing among all the E46 sedan LED tail lights in the market now that is closest to OEM specs and I 100% agree to that. But from my observation experiences, there'll always be next version. Before this one, you guys know there's DEPO version. And before DEPO, there's you-know-what version that looks awful to me (try a search on eBay). Another perfect example is E46 DDE/Angel Eyes. There are so many version that I've lost track to.

Well, my point is there will be next version of Chris/Josh/Jim' LEDs tail light. I believe they will do something to further enhance it. May it be the new trunk light to match the LED tail light? v1.1 of the LED without the screw? Who knows? But one thing for sure, I wait. Frankly, I almost placed my order. However, due to the reasons above, I wait. Perhaps until I see the LED in person and test it myself from local retailer or from other fellow E46 fanatics. :thumbup:

[mach330]

i'm holding off until they fix the screw and the mismatch of the trunk lights. i dont want to compromise and i have patience that they'll come out with something much better than this.

[Xenomanon]

I highly doubt they're going to fix the "screw" which isn't even a screw, I mean if you look close, it looks just like all the other LEDs. If they do fix it, it will take quite a while, from everything I've read it already has been a while.

If you look on MITE46's pictures. You can see there is a mount right around where this "screw" would be. Which makes me think there's a method to the madness.

[snowcatxx87]

Read the whole entire thread. Four words. What a **** f.uck.

[///ACS330Ci]

Hey Josh,

When do you expect your suppliers to get this all sorted out?

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Hey Josh,

When do you expect your suppliers to get this all sorted out?

Well, it pretty much is sorted out. Eagle Eyes has a plan and timeline they have shared with us. We have to trust that they will meet this goal.

The manufacturer wants to release this product as quickly as possible and we want to get it into your hands as soon as possible. They have been very good about communicating with us and except for this recent delay, everything has gone reasonable well.

The confusion surrounding the other LED thread is unfortunate but we stand behind everything we have said in our thread and we have the documentaiton to back it up. When this all settles down it will be very clear who brought this product to market in a safe, ethical manner.

[///ACS330Ci]

Cool. Thanks for taking the time to update us :thumbup:

Well, it pretty much is sorted out. Eagle Eyes has a plan and timeline they have shared with us. We have to trust that they will meet this goal.

The manufacturer wants to release this product as quickly as possible and we want to get it into your hands as soon as possible. They have been very good about communicating with us and except for this recent delay, everything has gone reasonable well.

The confusion surrounding the other LED thread is unfortunate but we stand behind everything we have said in our thread and we have the documentaiton to back it up. When this all settles down it will be very clear who brought this product to market in a safe, ethical manner.

[ADA]

Well, it pretty much is sorted out. Eagle Eyes has a plan and timeline they have shared with us. We have to trust that they will meet this goal.

The manufacturer wants to release this product as quickly as possible and we want to get it into your hands as soon as possible. They have been very good about communicating with us and except for this recent delay, everything has gone reasonable well.

The confusion surrounding the other LED thread is unfortunate but we stand behind everything we have said in our thread and we have the documentaiton to back it up. When this all settles down it will be very clear who brought this product to market in a safe, ethical manner.


Autowerks,

You already know that I am a strong critic when it comes to this LED subject.
Anyhow, I will continue to press my issues.

1) If want you are saying (waiting for DOT approval, serial number, recall, etc) then I want to commend you for taking the harder right over the easier wrong.

2) You mentioned that there are two version of the LED lights. One is for the Euro specs and one is for the US market. With regards to the LED lights, what consititute euro specs and non-euro specs? Some of us (including myself) have euro-specs LCM/LKM.

eventhough the precentage of US cars with euro-specs LCM/LKM is small I think my above question warrants an answer due to the possibility of destroying the LCM/LKM if buying an incorrect version of the LED as your claimed.

3) Based on your un-biased opinion, how does the built quality compare to a typical ebay vs oem tail lights. I am upset that vendors were quick to jump and point out all the "cool features" but neglected to mentioned some of the "flaws" (ie screw mount near the LED light bulb).

Hope to read your reply.

Thanks

[Xenomanon]

Read the whole entire thread. Four words. What a **** f.uck.

That's unnecessary. Take it somewhere else, possibly off topic.

[Paul_88]

any words on the LED tail light for the vert ??

[Xenomanon]

any words on the LED tail light for the vert ??

Only thing I read was no LED's for Cabs. Best alternative, OE? Maybe AutoWerks will work something out for the Cabs.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

You mentioned that there are two version of the LED lights. One is for the Euro specs and one is for the US market. With regards to the LED lights, what consititute euro specs and non-euro specs? Some of us (including myself) have euro-specs LCM/LKM.

I can talk to the engineers at Eagle Eyes to see what they recommend in your situation. My guess is that you would need a Euro spec version, but I do not know that for certain. Either way, they will know the answer and we can get you squared away.

Based on your un-biased opinion, how does the built quality compare to a typical ebay vs oem tail lights. I am upset that vendors were quick to jump and point out all the "cool features" but neglected to mentioned some of the "flaws" (ie screw mount near the LED light bulb).

Whoever said I had an unbiased opinion? :) I can't really comment on the quality versus the eBay versions. However, the main difference between ours and all others is that our version works! Eagle Eyes is also a reputable manufacturer with a lot of experience in this market. Read Brad's post earlier in this thread - he thought the quality was first rate.

I think the concern with the mounting screw will diminish when you see them on an actual car. It is not particularly noticeable. I don't see that as a flaw in the product - it is just the way it is built.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

any words on the LED tail light for the vert ??

If the coupe/sedan version do well enough, then the manufacturer may consider this. Right now, nothing is in the works though. Sorry. No love for the verts again. :bawling:

[SARCASM]

I personally feel that neither one of these versions yours or the other will reach the market anytime soon. You have continually promised your customers timelines that are never met.

You said you were picking them up at SEMA. SEMA passed and still nothing. Then you promised another deadline. I say do not introduce them into the market until they are ready to ship. If they are prototype, then do not take any pre-orders because you just end up getting angry customers, who wait ridiculous amounts of time. I think it's been almost a year. I wonder how many cancelled orders you have. I doubt you will tell us, but I am sure they are high.

GOOD LUCK to the rest of you. I don't imagine waiting this long is worth it. Just my input.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

I personally feel that neither one of these versions yours or the other will reach the market anytime soon. You have continually promised your customers timelines that are never met.

You said you were picking them up at SEMA. SEMA passed and still nothing. Then you promised another deadline. I say do not introduce them into the market until they are ready to ship. If they are prototype, then do not take any pre-orders because you just end up getting angry customers, who wait ridiculous amounts of time. I think it's been almost a year. I wonder how many cancelled orders you have. I doubt you will tell us, but I am sure they are high.

GOOD LUCK to the rest of you. I don't imagine waiting this long is worth it. Just my input.

We certainly do not deny that there have been delays - but this is a complex product and sometimes in business unforseen circumstances occur. However, I feel we have been very honest in communicating with our customers - keeping them informed up to the minute as things progress. This is why we have had very few cancellations - our customers trust us based on our reputation. I could look up the exact number but it so low I doubt you would believe me.

I can certainly understand your skepticism but these will ship.

[Toast]

Do you actually have the euro light control module? Or just the light switch panel with the rear foglight button? I have wired up the rear foglamps myself. The way I see it is, replacing the light switch panel with the one from euro spec cars only adds the rear foglight button, and does nothing else to the car. The fact that you didn't change the huge black box behind the light switch panel shows that you are still infact using the US lighting system. In that case the US lights would suit my car (and your car) the most? Please let me know if I'm wrong.

Again I hope to have a definite answer from Autowerks. If they need someone to test the lights for them, I don't mind doing the testing for them. I do hope to see these lights being shipped out soon, as I've been waiting for them since June.

While I'm at it, I have a question for Autowerks. I was wondering if you guys plan to produce aftermarket trunk lights that resemble the coupe LED style trunk lights (the one with the thin strip of clear for the back up light)? The only reason why I'm not getting the trunk lights along with my order is because IMHO none of them looks "correct", so i'd rather stick with my stock prefacelift trunk lights until these hit the market. Or maybe I'll have a bodyshop help me paint a set to resemble the ones on the coupe. But if Autowerks plan to produce the LED coupe style trunk lights, I'll definitely be down for a set. Attached is a picture of the trunk light in question. Thanks!

BTW my order is #18290, in case you guys need it. :)

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/kitaho2/bmw-m3smg/taillight-50.jpg

...

2) You mentioned that there are two version of the LED lights. One is for the Euro specs and one is for the US market. With regards to the LED lights, what consititute euro specs and non-euro specs? Some of us (including myself) have euro-specs LCM/LKM.

eventhough the precentage of US cars with euro-specs LCM/LKM is small I think my above question warrants an answer due to the possibility of destroying the LCM/LKM if buying an incorrect version of the LED as your claimed.

...

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Hey guys,

It's your daily update on the LED drama, but I feel we have to set the record straight on a few items posted in the other thread.

First, what you see in the other thread are PROTOTYPE units. The manufacturer knows this and the other retailer knows this. In fact, Eagle Eyes offered to buy those units back from this retailer in order to get them off the market, but he refused.

Why else would Eagle Eyes send that retailer a recall notice, why else would the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) contact that retailer notifying them that it is a $15,000 fine to distribute a recalled product?

How do I know they are prototypes? Well, the final versions work and don't need any further testing or modifications. Therefore, why is this retailer still testing the lights? Also, you can plainly see in the video the LED flicker that was present in the prototypes that has been fixed in production units (this occured on cold startups). And lastly, there is no pan of the camera directly from the dashboard to the tail lights - these units still cause a dash board fault code.

I am all for free market competitiveness but this is ridiculous. I hate to be this blunt, but I can't stand to see customers lied to in this manner. And for those of you that are frustrated by the shipping delays on this product, it is 100% because of this other retailer not complying with the recall.

As consumers, you can certainly make your own decisions on how best to spend your money. My only advice in this situation is do some homework before making that decision.

[luckysnafu]

I have been following both of these LED threads closely since they started. If what you said was true in your last post, will Eagle Eyes even allow the other retailer (who didn't comply with the recall) to sell production units?

I agree with you about wondering why the other retailer is testing the units so much if they are apparently already production units. I believe that if they were production units they would already be for sale with no further need to test. I commend you on your honesty and trying to get the best product to us as fast as possible. :thumbup:

[Amoeba]

After reading this thread I have to give a big :thumbsup: to Autowerks. You guys have been very professional in answering the concerns. You were coolheaded and didn't attack people who have posted criticisms in the thread. That's the kind of vendor I like to deal with. Thanks.

Been waiting for good tails for over a year, still hopeful and waiting. Just wondering if I should wait even longer in hopes of red/clear/red (Jim said it's possible once recall business is done and they can move on to new developments).

[ADA]

Do you actually have the euro light control module? Or just the light switch panel with the rear foglight button? The fact that you didn't change the huge black box behind the light switch panel shows that you are still infact using the US lighting system.


Dude, you need to learn how to read.

I stated that I have a EURO SPEC LCM/LKM on my original post.
I didn;t mentioned anything about a lcm faceplate.

Now, where did you get that I didn't replace my LCM?

Dude, you need to stop assuming and start lecturing yourself before you make false statement as above.

[Josh@AutoWerks]

Dude, you need to learn how to read.

I stated that I have a EURO SPEC LCM/LKM on my original post.
I didn;t mentioned anything about a lcm faceplate.

Now, where did you get that I didn't replace my LCM?

Dude, you need to stop assuming and start lecturing yourself before you make false statement as above.

Wow, I thought Toast was being pretty helpful in trying to answer your question. I think maybe you misinterpreted his tone. I took it as a sincere response to your issue.

[Nuori]

Josh, I noticed the dash board and the no panning. It seemed fishy how they showed it and then moved away very fast.

I thought that was the main thing with these (no light out.) I didn't get it, but I get it now if he's still "testing." :lmao: :rolleyes:

[xenostudio]

Hmmm. sounds a little fishy to me. What do you guys think the reason is for the other companies extensive testing is? If there is $money to be made a quick release is the most ideal for both resellers and manufacturers.

[Xenomanon]

One thing I don't understand is why he hasn't replied to my question about shipping the LEDs to Maryland if he could have used the many people that were local to do the demonstration? What does CynicalWry have that we don't have? Besides a relationship.

[Toast]

Dude, you need to calm down. It involves a lot of work if you've infact changed the black box behind the light switch panel since it contains your mileage information. As far as I know when one talk about installing the Euro LCM, all it means is the light switch panel is replaced, the blackbox behind it remains untouched. I could be wrong as I'm no genius, so if I am I apologize in advance.

If you would've paid a little attention you'll see I have questioned whether you have replaced the light switch panel (which, when you have it removed sort of looks like a faceplate with all the buttons on it), or did you replaced the whole black box behind it.

Finally, dude, you need to stop causing tension in the LED taillight threads. Calm down, wait for the product to come to the market, and decide yourself whether you want it or not. No body is forcing you to get it. Your negative posts isn't bringing anything to the community, nor is it going to help with the production of the lights. Criticism is great, but its not when all you're trying to do is to bash. If you have beef with the vendor, PM away. I hope I have presented my POV clearly.

Dude, you need to learn how to read.

I stated that I have a EURO SPEC LCM/LKM on my original post.
I didn;t mentioned anything about a lcm faceplate.

Now, where did you get that I didn't replace my LCM?

Dude, you need to stop assuming and start lecturing yourself before you make false statement as above.

[xenostudio]

Yeah Dude.

[ADA]

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=324854

there is the review on the EAGLE EYES LED tails found on ebay.

[ADA]

Dude, you need to calm down. It involves a lot of work if you've infact changed the black box behind the light switch panel since it contains your mileage information. As far as I know when one talk about installing the Euro LCM, all it means is the light switch panel is replaced, the blackbox behind it remains untouched. I could be wrong as I'm no genius, so if I am I apologize in advance.

If you would've paid a little attention you'll see I have questioned whether you have replaced the light switch panel (which, when you have it removed sort of looks like a faceplate with all the buttons on it), or did you replaced the whole black box behind it.

Finally, dude, you need to stop causing tension in the LED taillight threads. Calm down, wait for the product to come to the market, and decide yourself whether you want it or not. No body is forcing you to get it. Your negative posts isn't bringing anything to the community, nor is it going to help with the production of the lights. Criticism is great, but its not when all you're trying to do is to bash. If you have beef with the vendor, PM away. I hope I have presented my POV clearly.


Dude, once again, you need to learn how to READ. Are you retarded or just stupid? I changed my LCM (I say again, I change my LCM. Again, I change my entire LCM. Yes, even the black box in the back). Do you understand now or do you want me to make it more simple for you to understand.

Based on your last two response, I am sure you are still confuse. Therefore, let me put it in a simple way for your simple mind:

"me changed the entire LCM/LKM systems."

Damn, stop assuming dude. I have a euro specs LCM. Therefore, this is why I asked the question regarding the Euro vs US specs LED tails.

Anyhow, Autowerks, with regards to the LED tails only what consitute a Euro spec car from a US spec car.

[Toast]

I'm sorry but did I hurt your feelings about not getting the version of your LCM right? Calling people retarded or stupid won't get you anywhere. And guess who's the one making assumptions now?

Now back on topic. I'm guessing Autowerks would not be able to answer your questions as you have a "special" car. Maybe you can email them (after all the bashings you've done in this thread) and see if you can try both versions of the lights on your car?

If you're interested in more personal attacks, feel free to PM away. But if you actually have better things to do in life, then we'll just leave it at that.

Have a nice day. :)

Dude, once again, you need to learn how to READ. Are you retarded or just stupid? I changed my LCM (I say again, I change my LCM. Again, I change my entire LCM. Yes, even the black box in the back). Do you understand now or do you want me to make it more simple for you to understand.

Based on your last two response, I am sure you are still confuse. Therefore, let me put it in a simple way for your simple mind:

"me changed the entire LCM/LKM systems."

Damn, stop assuming dude. I have a euro specs LCM. Therefore, this is why I asked the question regarding the Euro vs US specs LED tails.

Anyhow, Autowerks, with regards to the LED tails only what consitute a Euro spec car from a US spec car.

[schutney]

i currently have type 3 lights
can i buy type 4 lights will they fit

[Pmmeke]

All deliveries to customers will be final production pieces.

The entire reason that there is a recall is that there are vendors here and on ebay that were stating that they had product to sell. The items they had or thought they could get were all pre-production samples that were never meant to be sold to customers.

Of course the products that will be delivered to customers will be production units in sealed factory boxes. The initial first shipment will be shipped direct to customers from the factory to allow people to obtain them before Christmas. Subsequent shipments will likely be sent to distributors and retailers for resale.

So the answer is YES, the product delivered to customers will all be production units. We are attempting to remove all of the beta units from circulation to protect consumers.

I am reading the wrong tread as here is written more information.
Questions again: My order is prepayed with autowerkz. I payed full retail. I have read about free shipping because we have to waith very long but i already payed for shipping so i gues thats not for me.

I have a european car. Will i receive my order from the factory itself who will do the shipping or will i receive them from jim?

When will i have my led lights? I have move up all my appointments but i need them 3O januari to have in my hands or i am ****ed with my schedual and then if i dont have them in my hands on 3O januari a lot of people will be mad at me because i have things planned with my car and cant execute. So will i have them 3O januari in my hands? Can you confirm?