View Full Version : Da Motorsport Stage 2 turbo kit - built up
Hung@Fiber-D
01-09-2006, 11:24 PM
I might as well start one right now.. and see how it goes from start to finish.
:)
Day 1.
Waiting on the kit for its arrival.
TBA.
crazy1323
01-09-2006, 11:26 PM
yea, first post, the wait is killing me. When is it supposed to arrive?
Hung@Fiber-D
01-09-2006, 11:32 PM
yea, first post, the wait is killing me. When is it supposed to arrive?
No idea, but straight from Turkey should be around 1-2 weeks.
pnoyaballer
01-09-2006, 11:35 PM
ohhhhhh subscribing
xxcosmicxx
01-09-2006, 11:51 PM
Is someone a little overly-excited...
Is someone a little overly-excited...
lol..werd
eurotekm3
01-10-2006, 12:45 AM
:yikes: :yikes:
E46 SC3
01-10-2006, 01:37 AM
Hung, you better hurry up and get my M3 mirror retrofit done ... cause once your turbo arrives, I'll be waiting forever for you to get back to work on my stuff.
iLLM3
01-10-2006, 02:23 AM
Hung i can't fukin wait :bow:
Ervin87
01-10-2006, 02:40 AM
Wow.
So this is really going to hapenn.
:drool:
:clap:
:thumbup:
redronin
01-10-2006, 09:18 AM
subscribing :)
Good stuff Hung and I hope it works out great for ya.
russ330
01-10-2006, 02:14 PM
*Subscribed* :)
Dougs325
01-10-2006, 03:44 PM
Hung, I cannot think of a better person that should get this. You Have always treated me like a very worthy customer, and even went through the great deal of fixing my splitter (Maybe I can send you my interior trim to fix??). You deserve it man...and PLEASE tell us how it goes. Props to Mert again for not getting too mad at some of the E46 "know-it-alls" who think his product is bogus, I knew you guys made one hell of a product!
BoostedBoogie
01-10-2006, 04:55 PM
subscribing
and where are my decals :( i gave up waiting and had to get some locally
malakia12
01-10-2006, 06:07 PM
:clap:
BlumberB18
01-10-2006, 07:57 PM
ahhhh cant wait .. and Hung 15 is the best on that stuff???:shhh:
GarrettF
01-10-2006, 08:08 PM
ok, maybe the truth will emerge in this thread!
e popa
01-10-2006, 08:24 PM
:pics: :popcorn:
2003330i
01-10-2006, 08:45 PM
:pics: :popcorn:
nothing to take pics of yet
Hung@Fiber-D
01-10-2006, 11:18 PM
:pics: :popcorn:
heh
Who's car is this?
330i Turbo Charge.
http://photos.e46fanatics.com/data/500/42280330i_turbo5.jpg
crazy1323
01-10-2006, 11:36 PM
heh
Who's car is this?
330i Turbo Charge.
http://photos.e46fanatics.com/data/500/42280330i_turbo5.jpg
Looks like the only thing left stock on that is the block itself. Other than that it looks all custom. I bet is has custom pistons, rods, manifolds,
vivid02
01-11-2006, 02:27 AM
subscribing :yikes:
KrzyBum420
01-11-2006, 03:02 AM
subscribed. :) :thumbup: good luck!
Dougs325
01-11-2006, 10:47 AM
Oh Hung...the suspense is KILLING ME!!! :behead: You better post mass pics AND clips! I say for you getting this free turbo...all of us here at E46 should be entitled to a free set of cf interior trim :thanks: lol, you lucky bastard!!
malakia12
01-11-2006, 01:17 PM
wow, a top mounted turbo. from what I have seen so far, most people have the turbo mounted on the bottom because of space, very nice setup for whose ever car that is:clap:
BMWPower06
01-11-2006, 11:56 PM
price??
meel330
01-12-2006, 08:58 PM
free
ACS3 A.R.T
01-12-2006, 10:26 PM
Is that Kromex's car?
Hung@Fiber-D
01-13-2006, 12:52 AM
Is that Kromex's car?
maybe, no idea.
DA motorsport informed me that I will get my kit sometime begining of Feb. They're just putting together some finalizing. Till then.. I'll post.
pirouzn
01-13-2006, 09:56 AM
WOW...more delays...way to go Mert
maybe, no idea.
DA motorsport informed me that I will get my kit sometime begining of Feb. They're just putting together some finalizing. Till then.. I'll post.
redronin
01-13-2006, 11:49 AM
WOW...more delays...way to go Mert
:spit:
cant wait till feb
redronin
01-13-2006, 11:50 AM
Hung, I cannot think of a better person that should get this. You Have always treated me like a very worthy customer, and even went through the great deal of fixing my splitter (Maybe I can send you my interior trim to fix??). You deserve it man...and PLEASE tell us how it goes. Props to Mert again for not getting too mad at some of the E46 "know-it-alls" who think his product is bogus, I knew you guys made one hell of a product!
how do you know exactly what they make since you nor I nor hung have seen it? stop brown-nosing mert and hung.
Dougs325
01-14-2006, 02:59 PM
how do you know exactly what they make since you nor I nor hung have seen it? stop brown-nosing mert and hung.
Easy, It's on their website and they have them for sale. Mert could get in a shitload of trouble for selling things that don't exist (scamming). As far as how they work, we will just have to see.
ksuen21
01-14-2006, 03:44 PM
Just make sure your car doesnt blow up of something.
Last minute adjustments as in.......last minute put together of their first turbo??? :rolleyes:
kerisabe
01-14-2006, 04:49 PM
Guys,
let's not give negative comments on this thread. Let's support this historic moments with positive comments... Good luck Hung, can't wait for the turbo to be installed:thanks:
iLLM3
01-14-2006, 08:09 PM
wow, a top mounted turbo. from what I have seen so far, most people have the turbo mounted on the bottom because of space, very nice setup for whose ever car that is:clap:
Yea seriously looks like a sick machine and real work of art on that car :bow:
xxcosmicxx
01-16-2006, 07:50 PM
I was under the impression that that engine bay shot is of Daniel Choes TiAg coupe...
Originally started by tuningwerks, and then taken over by Active... :dunno:
e popa
01-16-2006, 09:04 PM
I was under the impression that that engine bay shot is of Daniel Choes TiAg coupe...
Originally started by tuningwerks, and then taken over by Active... :dunno:
did they ever finish? it has been about 4yrs of trying to get that thing running right.:dunno:
trybaljedi
01-17-2006, 11:05 PM
Have you set a budget for the installation? With respect to your shop's specific labor rate, I think that would be a fair metric in determining the quality of the end product.
strabo
01-18-2006, 12:14 AM
Heck where did you find the picture and do you have specs on who built it etc?
redronin
01-30-2006, 05:29 PM
any updates yet?
crazy1323
02-01-2006, 09:02 PM
how much longer untill the kit comes in. if this is how long it takes a kit to reach someine then the wait is going to kill people when they order theirs
pirouzn
02-02-2006, 12:27 PM
lol Mart is a joke
Hung@Fiber-D
02-02-2006, 01:26 PM
Suppose to ship this week or the following I believe.
dirsh
02-02-2006, 02:59 PM
Hung- What kind of suspension do you have? That drop looks nice
crazy1323
02-02-2006, 06:56 PM
he is runnign PSS9 I believe and he also has a very low body kit.
Hung@Fiber-D
02-02-2006, 09:29 PM
Hung- What kind of suspension do you have? That drop looks nice
HnR coilovers.
Presns323i
02-03-2006, 12:54 AM
subscribing
fcotanis
02-03-2006, 02:33 PM
man,
all I have to say is that I wish I was Hung ... from all points of view...
Stealthwagen
02-03-2006, 02:47 PM
man,
all I have to say is that I wish I was Hung ... from all points of view...
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
RedBarron
02-07-2006, 05:41 PM
Whats going on with this kit?
Hung@Fiber-D
02-07-2006, 11:18 PM
Whats going on with this kit?
shipping has been postponed. :(
BMWE46Fl
02-07-2006, 11:59 PM
shipping has been postponed. :(
most likely due to not exsisting
probabaly they need more time to build a kit
sheefo2k
02-08-2006, 12:55 AM
okaay I was supporting them very well and nowim starting to believe what the other peoplewere saying...
racingdynamics2
02-08-2006, 07:26 AM
:clap: :popcorn:
bmw_chuzo
02-08-2006, 07:54 AM
wow.. this thread is going to be cool :popcorn:
RichP
02-08-2006, 10:21 AM
Still not shipping..hmm..
...curious to see what develops; personally, i would think a company that wants to prove its credibility, and the existence of an item, to the point where they had a contest to give one away for free just to prove a point, would have had that kit ready-to-ship before the contest was even over, and spent the extra money to have it in the customers hands within a week.
MrBlonde
02-08-2006, 10:41 AM
shipping has been postponed. :(
How shocking.
EIAlfonso
02-08-2006, 11:01 AM
shipping has been postponed. :(
That's impossible! It's on their website!:rolleyes:
Good Luck with this future endeavor, but I have little doubt that in the end (a week from now, a year from now) you will be wishing you never signed up.
I hope I'm wrong, for your sake, but I just don't see a happy ending here.
crazy1323
02-08-2006, 11:08 AM
They have been saying that they have a kit ready for a while. Now they agreed to send you a kit a while ago and now they can't even send it.
MarvelPhx
02-08-2006, 11:54 AM
I have a problem with making a big deal of giving something away as a promotion that doesn't actually exist yet.
sheefo2k
02-08-2006, 03:19 PM
i mean the poor man (hung) is soo sad right now since he got all up and giddy thinking he was getting a kit.
Bim Growl
02-08-2006, 03:26 PM
Oh
My
God!
What
A
Joke!
Like we all didn't see this coming... Hung, why was shipping postponed? Surely they've given you a reason, haven't they???
I'm sorry, but even if they do have a kit ready to bolt up, I would never buy anything from this company after seeing first hand their lack of customer support and silly games...
Oh
My
God!
What
A
Joke!
Like we all didn't see this coming... Hung, why was shipping postponed? Surely they've given you a reason, haven't they???
I'm sorry, but even if they do have a kit ready to bolt up, I would never buy anything from this company after seeing first hand their lack of customer support and silly games...
whatever dude. you are just jealous that you didn't win. LOL.
Hung@Fiber-D
02-08-2006, 05:35 PM
Oh
My
God!
What
A
Joke!
Like we all didn't see this coming... Hung, why was shipping postponed? Surely they've given you a reason, haven't they???
I'm sorry, but even if they do have a kit ready to bolt up, I would never buy anything from this company after seeing first hand their lack of customer support and silly games...
Well, I knew I sorta saw this coming. So didn't have my hopes up. If this doesn't fall throught... I'll just go pick up an ASA kit from Technikpower.
Mert told me They were on vacation since the 1st 2 weeks of January and in between that last 2 weeks they were putting the orders together and will ship 1st week of Feb or end of Jan.
End of Jan comes n then end of 1st week of feb... Mert told me they are going to try to ship next week because they havent gone to the shop since it has been snowing. :dunno:
Oh well, they seem to be legit, but nothing has been done yet. Sooooo I :dunno:
Solid
02-08-2006, 05:43 PM
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/shownh.php3?img_id=13336
Turkey is looking pretty snow covered lol.
Hung@Fiber-D
02-08-2006, 05:49 PM
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/shownh.php3?img_id=13336
Turkey is looking pretty snow covered lol.
Wish there was snow here.. I be snow boarding all day.
dirsh
02-08-2006, 06:16 PM
They sound like real busy guys. I'm waiting for a US dealer to come up with a turbo kit.
scmgoblue
02-08-2006, 06:28 PM
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/shownh.php3?img_id=13336
Turkey is looking pretty snow covered lol.
If you look real close you can see Mert's E36 in a ditch.
Bim Growl
02-08-2006, 06:31 PM
whatever dude. you are just jealous that you didn't win. LOL.
:confused: You're joking right??? :flipoff:
BoostedBoogie
02-08-2006, 06:34 PM
so if the kit is complete and tested, shouldn't they have some sort of pics of the kit installed on an e46 by now? :lmao:
Solid
02-08-2006, 06:38 PM
They actually did on their site before, not sure where they went.
They had like 80 pics and some dynos.
Lemonsqr
02-08-2006, 11:18 PM
...the plot, snow and BS thickens.....
dirsh
02-08-2006, 11:50 PM
...the plot, snow and BS thickens.....
LOL
all so true. We'll see if DA can put their money where their mouth is
playinJ30
02-09-2006, 12:01 PM
this is pathetic... if you have any respect for your ride/yourself, you'd tell them to shove their "turbo" kit where the sun don't shine...that should be easy considering the neverending winter storms in turkey.
You'd think that someone running a shop for their livelihood would make it out there hopefully 4 times a week, snow or no snow
Will ZCPM3
02-09-2006, 12:26 PM
hung,
just be glad you didnt have to give them any money. Ive been in this type of situation before and its 10 times worse when $$ is involved.
sheefo2k
02-09-2006, 01:03 PM
okaay lets calm down again.. there are a lot of snow..
lets wait and see
Cobra
02-09-2006, 01:50 PM
looking forward to this turbo kit as well
Hung@Fiber-D
02-09-2006, 01:50 PM
1st package has been sent out.. with a tracking number. =)
Second package in a week.
sheefo2k
02-09-2006, 01:58 PM
1st package has been sent out.. with a tracking number. =)
Second package in a week.
I have connections with MERT ;) I told you guys to calm down :D
Nico3k
02-09-2006, 02:29 PM
Post the tracking number! Can't wait to see what's coming in the mail
EIAlfonso
02-09-2006, 03:19 PM
1st package has been sent out.. with a tracking number. =)
Second package in a week.
The first package contains the tracking # for the second package, nothing else.:) j/k
This guy is something else, well at least your getting something you can put your hands.
Pics on arrival.
Mike Benvo
02-09-2006, 06:29 PM
I was expecting something to this effect. Save yourself the trouble and get a proven Technik kit.
m3turbo
02-09-2006, 07:31 PM
1st package has been sent out.. with a tracking number. =)
Second package in a week.
just like a previous poster said.....the package contains the second tracking number and nothing more.....
The second package will contain a note explaining why the first only contained a poor old tracking number :dunno:
Seriously guys.... Mert has been all around forums ALL over the world singing his BS and coming up with jack sh1t....
Don't waste your valuable time and typing waiting for something that will never happen.
And if it does it will be terrible...BUT IT WON'T...
Close thread. Forget name. period.
noBenz
02-09-2006, 10:32 PM
If this guy MERT does come through and this kit is everything he says it is... I'mma laugh my as$ off at you guys trying to backpedal. If he turns out to be a con then of course no one will be suprised.
DA-MOTORSPORT
02-10-2006, 04:32 PM
E46 tURBO KIT has been sent out.
The kit is packed in two huge boxes. We sent one box on thursday and the other box will go out next week.
We have sponsored Hung and kept our promise. So far there is no reason to criticize, please wait and see.
Mert
Hung@Fiber-D
02-10-2006, 04:50 PM
E46 tURBO KIT has been sent out.
The kit is packed in two huge boxes. We sent one box on thursday and the other box will go out next week.
We have sponsored Hung and kept our promise. So far there is no reason to criticize, please wait and see.
Mert
:thumbup:
jon330ciZHP
02-10-2006, 06:42 PM
YAY! lets see it installed!!!
eg6turbo
02-11-2006, 01:58 AM
man i cant wait for this to come together...no going back now...kits coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap:
sheefo2k
02-11-2006, 11:43 AM
i have a feeling the bank accoutn will go down to ZERO dollars in a month oncehung gets the kit and finishes it:D
crazy1323
02-11-2006, 11:56 AM
Hung, if you don't mind, and I hope you don't. Could you give us an analysis with everything that you had to buy to make this kit work. Also the installation broken down to each individual thing, i.e. install new injectors, new fuel pump, tuning, ect. thanks alot.
ksuen21
02-11-2006, 03:16 PM
:popcorn:
Time to sit back and enjoy the show!
Dr. Wonder
02-11-2006, 03:29 PM
nice, cant wait:drool:
GO TURKEY!
all you guys are just hating that a country like Turkey are more technologically advance than the USA to be the first one to product a turbo kit for the e46!
+1 Turkey
-1 USA
TX330ci
02-11-2006, 09:20 PM
nice!
kpeng
02-12-2006, 02:52 AM
Subscribing also, I have to see this. If the package shows up and you find a turbonator inside of it, I am going to die of laughter.
-Ken
Ervin87
02-12-2006, 03:15 AM
Congrats to Da Motorsport for keeping their word.
No need to bash so early. Let's just wait and see how everything works out. I got a feeling that this is going to be amazing.
:thumbup:
imolazhp_ci
02-12-2006, 03:48 AM
GO TURKEY!
all you guys are just hating that a country like Turkey are more technologically advance than the USA to be the first one to product a turbo kit for the e46!
+1 Turkey
-1 USA
yeah... turkey may be technically advanced. but apparently ethiopians don't know how to keep score...
BoostedBoogie
02-12-2006, 05:01 AM
yeah... turkey may be technically advanced. but apparently ethiopians don't know how to keep score...
:lmao: owned
sheefo2k
02-12-2006, 12:42 PM
:lmao:
clean-m-tech330
02-12-2006, 05:54 PM
yeah... turkey may be technically advanced. but apparently ethiopians don't know how to keep score...
:behead:
KrzyBum420
02-12-2006, 10:34 PM
:popcorn:
dirsh
02-13-2006, 02:10 AM
yeah... turkey may be technically advanced. but apparently ethiopians don't know how to keep score...
USA - 1
Ethiopia - purple
redronin
02-13-2006, 11:01 AM
Hungs been patiently waiting for a track to explode on.........
(wait....)
Corleone
02-13-2006, 11:08 AM
If this guy MERT does come through and this kit is everything he says it is... I'mma laugh my as$ off at you guys trying to backpedal....
:werd:
Same here...Then It's gonna be a sight to see !! :)
RichP
02-15-2006, 01:25 PM
Any tracking updates?
Hung@Fiber-D
02-16-2006, 05:38 AM
Any tracking updates?
Turbo kit was dilever 2 days ago.. haha
But I was not there to sign for the package. LOL :bawling:
So I'm going to pick up the package tomorrow morning at Fedex location and take a bunch of pics. :thumbup: :clap:
6 hours till I get my hands on it. Woot.
BMWintoxication
02-16-2006, 06:20 AM
any ATP guys reading this thread?.. haha
RichP
02-16-2006, 01:54 PM
any ATP guys reading this thread?.. haha
:clap:
Isnt that kit coming out Summer? (Of course, we dont know WHICH summer!)
Sounds good Hung, I am curious to see how this project turns out!
sheefo2k
02-16-2006, 02:19 PM
hung, i cant wait to see this turbo on your car....
goodluck bro and i think you should goto fedex right now
Hung@Fiber-D
02-16-2006, 02:46 PM
1st package came just 10 mins ago.
With a second tracking number... WTF..............................!
JK, teaser.
Ervin87
02-16-2006, 03:00 PM
:yikes:
:clap:
Getting excited and it's not even going on my car.
:lmao:
Thumbs up to Da Motorsport
germanspec330i
02-16-2006, 03:00 PM
Open it!!
BMW_DK
02-16-2006, 03:02 PM
Come on. What takes you so long - show us the goods :P
Really looking forward to seeing the process and the end result.
Mike Benvo
02-16-2006, 03:04 PM
pics!
OCswedishM3
02-16-2006, 03:15 PM
Stage 1 has 353hp and 329ft/lbs of torque, i wonder what your Stage 2 will put out? Im guessing close to 400's for both. Assuming everything works out ok you are going to have a pretty quick 330. Goodluck enjoy the torque.
Hung@Fiber-D
02-16-2006, 03:18 PM
pics!
Ok,
so the 1st package came with
-Downpipe, very well made.
-The Garrett Turbo, internal waste gate. Will probably update to an external someday if everything goes well.
-Bolts which was very well lable. So far so good.
- K&N Filter for intake.
- Oil pump and Resevoir with its piping.
Next package would and hopefully be the Intercooler, intercooler piping, up pipe and TSI.
Thanks Mert!!!!!! Let the show begin! heh
diablo0807
02-16-2006, 03:20 PM
sick , are you gonna install them your own too?:drool:
:clap: :bow:
PS, did you ask DA about how your car will run with crappy california 91 octane gas?
xxcosmicxx
02-16-2006, 03:55 PM
Now lets hear all the people that talked trash begin to back pedal...
Thus far the components look like pretty good quality...
crazy1323
02-16-2006, 04:03 PM
wow, if this works out I see a second turbo car in my near future!
douglas_ngo
02-16-2006, 04:08 PM
Man, I envy you. I can't wait to see you install it on your car. :drool: :thumbup:
Where are all the DA haters?
Where are all the DA haters?
Hiding like the pansies that they are.
BEn JEn
02-16-2006, 04:13 PM
Now lets hear all the people that talked trash begin to back pedal...
Thus far the components look like pretty good quality...
:werd:
People like to talk a lot of shi<fa>t and once one guys starts, all the other jackas<fa>ses come in for the gangba<fa>ng.</fa></fa></fa>
EIAlfonso
02-16-2006, 04:37 PM
Where are all the DA haters?
A turbo, some pipes and a KN filter, Wow!
I take it all back, this is a great kit when can I order one.:rolleyes:
It will be months or years before you can ascertain if this is a solid product. I can't believe how short sighted some people are.
Props to Mert, he finally delivered on something:thumbup:.
TaZaM3
02-16-2006, 05:01 PM
Nice pics, looks good so far. You still need a exhaust manifold. When is the 2nd package coming and when are you installing?
Lemonsqr
02-16-2006, 06:25 PM
:werd:
People like to talk a lot of shi<fa>t and once one guys starts, all the other jackas<fa>ses come in for the gangba<fa>ng.</fa></fa></fa>
That's half the fun!!!:) I dont see why people are getting all offensive. The wise cracks will either make the product better (by making Mert deliver on the claims) or will prove to be justified once Hung needs to rebuild his engine. Either way, its a win-win situation for the E46 community. Without all the wisecracks and doubting Thomases, the "lottery" wouldnt have even materialized and you wouldnt have the pleasure of this thread, a hopefully unbiased review, etc. Dont be hatin' the peanut gallery...thankum!!:thumbup: BTW, looks good so far. Good luck Hung!
Presns323i
02-16-2006, 07:06 PM
:drool:
e popa
02-16-2006, 07:22 PM
install it already:drool:
sheefo2k
02-16-2006, 07:32 PM
sex dude sex
Bim Growl
02-16-2006, 07:44 PM
Where are all the DA haters?
:hi: Not a hater, but definitely a skeptic. I;ve said all along that I hope Mert proves me wrong... :dunno: Time will tell. So far, in my mind, the jury is still out on this one.
But :thumbup: to Hung for receiving, and :thumbup: to Mert for delivering.
There's nothing wrong with a little healthy skepticism... I think some of the older members with more life experience here will understand what I'm talking about... :P
Hung@Fiber-D
02-16-2006, 07:48 PM
PS, did you ask DA about how your car will run with crappy california 91 octane gas?
We'll see, I can obtain 100 octane easily. So thats not a problem.
Now lets hear all the people that talked trash begin to back pedal...
Thus far the components look like pretty good quality...
Its shows that Mert is a man of his word. Everyone was saying hes a scam since he was so far away. Now all of that has been cleared. Now we all know theres a kit out for the 330 m54.
So from now on and out...we have to see how well the system holds up to the m54.
Nice pics, looks good so far. You still need a exhaust manifold. When is the 2nd package coming and when are you installing?
Coming week, just like Mert said.
pnoyaballer
02-16-2006, 07:54 PM
siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick
TaZaM3
02-16-2006, 07:59 PM
Im glad Mert is delivering the parts. But you do know the tough part is if the hardware does work/fit. Then comes the tuning part.
Is he giving you injectors with this kit?
e popa
02-16-2006, 08:19 PM
I think he does some sort of piggy back
TaZaM3
02-16-2006, 08:22 PM
I think he does some sort of piggy back
Still probably going to need adjusting. Octane ratings are different and atmosphere is different altogether.
chris b.
02-16-2006, 08:33 PM
subscribing....
:hi:
Lemonsqr
02-16-2006, 08:53 PM
We'll see, I can obtain 100 octane easily. So thats not a problem.
.
But how practical would that be? Kinda defeats the whole purpose of this little experiment if you go that route. A turbo on an E46 isnt anything new, especially if you are going to use race fuel. However an off the shelf turbo kit that is emissions legal and runs on US 91 and/or 93 pump gas IS something to get excited about. To me, THAT is what I am interested in this DA kit delivering, not a 500+hp monster strapped to a dyno sipping 100 octane fuel with no cat, big fan blowing cool air with the hood up, (ie whatever it takes to get the numbers). This is going to be exciting!
Hung@Fiber-D
02-16-2006, 09:01 PM
Im glad Mert is delivering the parts. But you do know the tough part is if the hardware does work/fit. Then comes the tuning part.
Is he giving you injectors with this kit?
- Garrett internal wastegate- received
- Wastegate installation kit- received
- Turbocharger oil pump- received
- Turbocharger oil feed line- received
- Turbocharger oil return line- received
- Turbocharger oil drain reservoir- received
- Turbocharger exhaust manifold, cast iron
- Turbocharger down pipe, stainless steel 316, polished- received
- Turbocharger down pipe flanges, stainless steel 316- received
- Turbocharger down pipe gaskets, stainless steel 316
- Air to air intercooler, front mount, aluminium, polished
- Air to air intercooler brackets, stainless steel 316, polished
- Intercooler pipes, polished
- Silicon hoses for intercooler pipes, blue or red
- Cross bolt clamps for intercooler pipes, stainless steel 304
- Turbosmart blow off valve modified by DA MOTORSPORT
- K&N air filter- received
- Turbocharger air intake pipe, polished
- TSI engine management system
- 22 psi map sensor
- TSI wiring harness for MS43
This is what is ncluded into the stage 2, but was categorized stage 1.
I might need to pick up some stuff here and there to have the kit running right.
But this is a test to see if it work outa the box, and then I will let you guys know what else is needed to be added.
kpeng
02-16-2006, 09:22 PM
Wow! It exists!
Can't wait to see how it performs and holds up!
-Ken
p0op3y
02-16-2006, 09:46 PM
can't wait
BlumberB18
02-16-2006, 10:28 PM
:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :bow: Its finally here .. Carlos and i have been dying for this thing .. !!!
RichP
02-16-2006, 10:30 PM
Wow! It exists!
Can't wait to see how it performs and holds up!
-Ken
I concur. Its good to see Mert delivered on this...now the real question, and what is going to seperate the men from the boys, is if it runs. Hardware is the easiest part on any BMW FI kit, getting it to run well...
heres hoping for the best :dave:
ksuen21
02-16-2006, 11:09 PM
So whats the ETA for installation and it actually running?
sick... cant wait for the installed pix :thumbup:
tomsport
02-17-2006, 12:55 AM
i have a question about those who have custom turbo on e46, how did they get it to work?:hmm:
kalib0y
02-17-2006, 04:01 AM
wow Hung, I hope everything goes in and installs smoothly. maybe Mert can prove alot of people wrong with this turbo since he basically demolished his relationship with the e36 FI crowd. Im really gunning for ya
If you do encounter any tuning difficulites for any reason please feel free to contact me. Ill try to help as much as I can for a fellow turbo junky.
Lemonsqr
02-17-2006, 11:39 AM
wow Hung, I hope everything goes in and installs smoothly. maybe Mert can prove alot of people wrong with this turbo since he basically demolished his relationship with the e36 FI crowd. Im really gunning for ya
If you do encounter any tuning difficulites for any reason please feel free to contact me. Ill try to help as much as I can for a fellow turbo junky.
So what's the story?
turboaddiction
02-17-2006, 12:26 PM
Now lets hear all the people that talked trash begin to back pedal...
Thus far the components look like pretty good quality...
I'd like to see what is used for tuning. We will see about the backpedalling. Hardware might show up nice but the tuning might be crap. However, if the hardware is nice then one could just use a standalone and really make this kit roar!
E46325Ci
02-17-2006, 12:38 PM
the kit looks very good!
xxcosmicxx
02-17-2006, 01:22 PM
So what's the story?
:werd: what's the scoop?
TitanSilber ZHP
02-17-2006, 01:38 PM
:werd: what's the scoop?
+1
kalib0y
02-17-2006, 03:06 PM
a few years of high hp claims, claiming that his e36 puts down 1100+whp, with no dyno proof, and the components that he claimed to use have been proven not to produce that kind of power. Till this day will not show a dyno chart.
Hung, What kind of turbo is that. It looks like a gt2871r, if I am not mistaken, what kind of power did DA claim as your power output? Are you going to upgrade your injectors?
xxcosmicxx
02-17-2006, 03:37 PM
I thought they were talking about high 300's to the gound.. :dunno:
That would sure be a fast e46 though... You'll definately need to upgrade your drive train a bit...
OCswedishM3
02-17-2006, 04:25 PM
a few years of high hp claims, claiming that his e36 puts down 1100+whp, with no dyno proof, and the components that he claimed to use have been proven not to produce that kind of power. Till this day will not show a dyno chart.
Hung, What kind of turbo is that. It looks like a gt2871r, if I am not mistaken, what kind of power did DA claim as your power output? Are you going to upgrade your injectors?
I dunno, but that e36M3 on DA's website if thats his 1100rwhp car...man that thing would put bus lengths on me. That is the fastest e36M3 i have EVER seen in person and on video. When i raced an E60 M5 i won by 1-2 cars . He put about 3 just through 1 1/2 gears.
kalib0y
02-17-2006, 04:33 PM
I dunno, but that e36M3 on DA's website if thats his 1100rwhp car...man that thing would put bus lengths on me. That is the fastest e36M3 i have EVER seen in person and on video. When i raced an E60 M5 i won by 1-2 cars . He put about 3 just through 1 1/2 gears.
it is the same but it has not convinced the american E36 and the swede BMW FI that its putting the power that he is claiming despite the video. There are many mathematical equations (im no mathmatician by any means) that just dont add up with some of the components that hes using.
Lets just bring this thread back to Hungs build up.
03 Dinan 3
02-17-2006, 06:07 PM
project looks like it's gonna be fun! With the end being the best:)
how much HP are you gonna be pushing?
Mike Benvo
02-17-2006, 06:19 PM
Sick... looking good! :thumbup:
turboaddiction
02-17-2006, 06:44 PM
Hung, What kind of turbo is that. It looks like a gt2871r, if I am not mistaken, what kind of power did DA claim as your power output? Are you going to upgrade your injectors?
Oh boy I hope not. That would mean the manifold is a T25 flange.:bawling: I hope that it is a T3 so there is the option of up to 67mm. A T4 would be really nice! I'd would love to buy an e46 m3 someday and throw a T4 mani on it!:P
OCswedishM3
02-17-2006, 07:54 PM
it is the same but it has not convinced the american E36 and the swede BMW FI that its putting the power that he is claiming despite the video. There are many mathematical equations (im no mathmatician by any means) that just dont add up with some of the components that hes using.
Lets just bring this thread back to Hungs build up.
:thumbup:
kalib0y
02-17-2006, 08:02 PM
Oh boy I hope not. That would mean the manifold is a T25 flange.:bawling: I hope that it is a T3 so there is the option of up to 67mm. A T4 would be really nice! I'd would love to buy an e46 m3 someday and throw a T4 mani on it!:P
Dang cameron, I didnt know you were on this board too... now i have an e36 turbo buddy on here too!
jonny-Q
02-17-2006, 08:21 PM
subscribing
MrBlonde
02-17-2006, 08:24 PM
Oh I can't wait for this news reel to play ...
turboaddiction
02-17-2006, 09:10 PM
Dang cameron, I didnt know you were on this board too... now i have an e36 turbo buddy on here too!
:) Good to see you in here too. I probably should have kept the same name though. Yeah I like to mix it up a little. The bfc board sometimes gets old and I do have an e46. I would love to turbo one someday.
Choson1
02-17-2006, 11:58 PM
what is the reason for the split shipment?
Jlevi SW
02-18-2006, 04:27 AM
quite frankly, i don't know why anyone would want their engine bay to look like that unless you were going to make 800hp or more out of it - especially since I have a feeling the turbo lag will render hung's car a freeway only beast. I mean, I know the kit was free, but for those of you who are so excited - why not supercharge? Quicker delivery of power, tested reliability, better low-end power, and more seamless integration. And with a stage II supercharger you can make more power than most turbos.... maybe I'm missing something?
Please advise
JL
Hung@Fiber-D
02-18-2006, 04:35 AM
quite frankly, i don't know why anyone would want their engine bay to look like that unless you were going to make 800hp or more out of it - especially since I have a feeling the turbo lag will render hung's car a freeway only beast. I mean, I know the kit was free, but for those of you who are so excited - why not supercharge? Quicker delivery of power, tested reliability, better low-end power, and more seamless integration. And with a stage II supercharger you can make more power than most turbos.... maybe I'm missing something?
Please advise
JL
A Product has to begin somewhere.
dynamictype
02-18-2006, 12:30 PM
It just goes out to the taste of the individual owner. The choice of supercharging and turbocharging is that of the owner's point of view. It is the same as the choice between alloy and chrome wheels, owners opinion. I am at the point now of competely modding my 325CI or moving up to a CPO 7 series. Once agian it is the choice of the owner and at the end of the day, he or she is the one who has to live with it. Just my 2 cents.
E46325Ci
02-18-2006, 12:54 PM
quite frankly, i don't know why anyone would want their engine bay to look like that unless you were going to make 800hp or more out of it - especially since I have a feeling the turbo lag will render hung's car a freeway only beast. I mean, I know the kit was free, but for those of you who are so excited - why not supercharge? Quicker delivery of power, tested reliability, better low-end power, and more seamless integration. And with a stage II supercharger you can make more power than most turbos.... maybe I'm missing something?
Please advise
JL
coming from the guy who sells superchargers
lordjavelox
02-18-2006, 02:02 PM
coming from the guy who sells superchargers
exactly.. atleast everything looks pretty, looks pretty professionally packaged and well built.
turboaddiction
02-18-2006, 02:16 PM
quite frankly, i don't know why anyone would want their engine bay to look like that unless you were going to make 800hp or more out of it - especially since I have a feeling the turbo lag will render hung's car a freeway only beast. I mean, I know the kit was free, but for those of you who are so excited - why not supercharge? Quicker delivery of power, tested reliability, better low-end power, and more seamless integration. And with a stage II supercharger you can make more power than most turbos.... maybe I'm missing something?
Please advise
JL
Well the turbos get a lot of bad press regarding lag. As someone already stated, it's all up to individual taste. Have you driven in a car that has a tiny twin turbo setup? You feel less lag than the supercharger. The centri supercharger slowly builds boost as, you know, to redline. So technically if you think the time it takes to reach full boost is lag, the centri supercharger certainly wins the laggggg award. It's the feeling of that rush of torque and hp that makes the car feel laggy. Nothing, nothing, spooling...OH MY GOD! That is more like a T4 with a large turbo and 700-800hp or so on an inline 6. You can get that feeling with a tiny T3 if it is a 4banger 1.8L. It's all in relation regarding displacement to turbo size. However the rush of 800hp when it comes on compared to 500hp from a centri is usually a little more exciting. I think a centri supercharger is great for v8 applications though!!! For handling characteristics the centri is definitely the win around corners and such. Again, this is up to individual taste. You can also do what i plan to do, have a tune for a small turbo with near instant spool and a tune for a giant turbo for freeway killing and drag ruling. Below is a picture of a BMW with a turbo setup. Are you telling me this doesn't look good?:rolleyes:
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http://www.danzioperformance.com/photos/customer_car_02d.jpg
trybaljedi
02-18-2006, 02:34 PM
quite frankly, i don't know why anyone would want their engine bay to look like that unless you were going to make 800hp or more out of it - especially since I have a feeling the turbo lag will render hung's car a freeway only beast. I mean, I know the kit was free, but for those of you who are so excited - why not supercharge? Quicker delivery of power, tested reliability, better low-end power, and more seamless integration. And with a stage II supercharger you can make more power than most turbos.... maybe I'm missing something?
Please advise
JL
What?
Transparent much?
Lemonsqr
02-18-2006, 02:53 PM
quite frankly, i don't know why anyone would want their engine bay to look like that unless you were going to make 800hp or more out of it - especially since I have a feeling the turbo lag will render hung's car a freeway only beast. I mean, I know the kit was free, but for those of you who are so excited - why not supercharge? Quicker delivery of power, tested reliability, better low-end power, and more seamless integration. And with a stage II supercharger you can make more power than most turbos.... maybe I'm missing something?
Please advise
JL
No shame:tsk: go plug your wares in another thread...yes, you are missing something, you dont carry a turbo kit...if you truely want to know the turbo vs supercharger debate, either search or start a thread.
BimmerDude18
02-18-2006, 02:54 PM
Wow, there is no way in hell that car can run right without new injectors, and I notice that its got a MPA sensor listed. Most kits (in fact all I know about) retain the MAF sensor system rather than going to a MAP sensor. This is an odd choice in my opinion, and makes me wonder what Mert does for the tuning.
I'm not doubting it exists, it might even run really well, but I am curious of what it shapes up to be in the end.
sheefo2k
02-18-2006, 03:51 PM
therer was an arguemtn between samir and mert abotu map and maf sensors. Mert called out samir.
It was a very well educational thread on both of them
BoostedBoogie
02-18-2006, 06:43 PM
quite frankly, i don't know why anyone would want their engine bay to look like that unless you were going to make 800hp or more out of it - especially since I have a feeling the turbo lag will render hung's car a freeway only beast. I mean, I know the kit was free, but for those of you who are so excited - why not supercharge? Quicker delivery of power, tested reliability, better low-end power, and more seamless integration. And with a stage II supercharger you can make more power than most turbos.... maybe I'm missing something?
Please advise
JL
i'd take a turbo over a supercharger any day. ive owned a supercharged car and turbocharged car and i love my t-88 better. you're so limited with most supercharger setups compared to what you can upgrade on a turbo kit.
btw, you forgot to plug your vf kit. http://www.jlevisw.com
TaZaM3
02-18-2006, 06:50 PM
Wow, there is no way in hell that car can run right without new injectors, and I notice that its got a MPA sensor listed. Most kits (in fact all I know about) retain the MAF sensor system rather than going to a MAP sensor. This is an odd choice in my opinion, and makes me wonder what Mert does for the tuning.
I'm not doubting it exists, it might even run really well, but I am curious of what it shapes up to be in the end.
It can run right but its limited in power producing. The stock injectors can only flow so much before its maxxed out. If they want over 300rwhp it will need injectors for sure. Using MAP tuning is actually a pretty good system, if it does correctly. If its not done right it can be far worse then having traditional tuning.
eg6turbo
02-18-2006, 07:00 PM
i'd take a turbo over a supercharger any day. ive owned a supercharged car and turbocharged car and i love my t-88 better. you're so limited with most supercharger setups compared to what you can upgrade on a turbo kit.
btw, you forgot to plug your vf kit. http://www.jlevisw.com
regarding turbo vs. supercharging...i like the idea of having full boost of 8 psi from 3k to redline...instead of having boost at 2 psi at 3k then 8 psi at 7k...
sheefo2k
02-18-2006, 07:09 PM
you dont get 2 psi at 3k on a turbo and you dont get 8psiat 3 k on a supercharger.....
like stated above comes down to turbo size :D
BoostedBoogie
02-18-2006, 07:19 PM
regarding turbo vs. supercharging...i like the idea of having full boost of 8 psi from 3k to redline...instead of having boost at 2 psi at 3k then 8 psi at 7k...
it does reguard turbo size like sheefo mentioned. the t-88 is huge and doesn't hit full boost usually until you hit freeway speeds, but once it does, you will literally $hit your pants.
plus you get the cool 'pshhhheeewwwwwwwwwwwwww' sound :eeps:
sheefo2k
02-18-2006, 07:25 PM
^^^ exactly
turboaddiction
02-18-2006, 07:44 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of other turbo vs supercharger threads on here. To each his own. This is about the DA Motorsport Turbo Kit though.It can run right but its limited in power producing. The stock injectors can only flow so much before its maxxed out. If they want over 300rwhp it will need injectors for sure. Using MAP tuning is actually a pretty good system, if it does correctly. If its not done right it can be far worse then having traditional tuning.
I think that MAF is what people really want. Anyone can make a kit and use a standalone changing to MAP but that brings us further and further from being legal and from staying OEM. The stock computer is by far the fastest and most adverse ECU to use. Using so many different kind of maps and adaptation that you can really take advantage of. The hard part is having the knowledge and tools to utilize teh stock DME, changing the maps and making everything work without throwing CELs and such. The E46 crowd probably isn't used to turbo systems unless they had them on other cars. The only companys that I know of who have the power to tune the stock ECU the way we are talking is AA and Dinan. Let's forget Dinan for a second since I doubt they are interested in turbo and also since they are usually not interested in selling kits that are upgradeable. If you upgrade their kit it voids their warrantee. So there is AA. We have seen the awesome power outputs from the AA S/C kit and some of the other cars like the high compression engine E46(blue), some e46s with NOS and some with both. All AA cars. Even AA are the ones that tuned the e60 M5 with 100 shot of NOS that got into mid 11s in the quarter.
To make the stock ECU and MAF work with turbo e36s AA relocates the HFM to before turbo so it is still draw-through and utilizes a larger HFM. This would be the way to do it also on the E46. It's just too bad that AA has not come out with a turbo kit for the E46 yet. I know that they have been doing R&D forever on a 330ci turbo car.
In saying that, it will be interesting to see how DA Motorsport makes this kit work. I guess they get rid of the HFM all together but not sure how the stock ECU is going to like that going to MAP. I wonder what will happen and how the piggyback TSI computer is all hooked up to the stock engine harness or stock ECU.:dunno:
BimmerDude18
02-18-2006, 10:22 PM
Taza, that was exactly my point, iglad to see I'm not wrong here.
Moving on, the MAP vs. MAS thing. I have no idea how it would interface with the stock ECU, but the reason I see it as odd, in turbo tuning you would want the most reactive sensors you could get, the MAF is (to my understanding) a direct reading where the MAP uses a pressure reading to indirectly calculate the air volume, this is a fairly significant amount less responsive (again, to my understanding).
So basically what I'm wondering is why if you are using a piggy back you don't go full stand alone (TEC-3 like what Vick Sias uses), and why convert to a MAP when the HFM and MAF system can still be used upstream of the turbo as was described above.
The kit looks good so far, but I have a few doubts at the moment that will be cleared up whenever Hung gets the rest of the parts. I can't imagine that Mert would give away all those parts and not have something that at least runs properly - he would be throwing thousands of dollars down the drain to try to convince people and only prove the skeptics right.
-Tyler
Jlevi SW
02-18-2006, 11:04 PM
I'm just saying, I want to know what you guys see as the perks of turbos vs. superchargers. If it were a twin turbo setup, I would understand - nothing beats that IMHO, but for the E46 I just want to understand your logic.
Also, I intentionally didn't mention anything we sell, that's not what this thread is about and it's not why I posted. In fact - we don't even offer the stage II supercharger I was referring to (Technik). Some of you guys forget that I was here only by choice as an enthusiast for two years before my name turned green, and just once in a while, I'd love to just be able to talk about cars and not have my opinions or motives past off as alterior.
JL
BimmerDude18
02-18-2006, 11:18 PM
The reason is low end torque. A turbo although not having any real effect before say 2500, 3000, 3500,etc. (depends on turbo size = boost) will then produce full boost from that point on. A SC setup doesn't make full boost until redline. Thus with a turbo being less predictable for power band in a very dynamic (daily driving) environment where you are constantly below 3000 RPM's, it would be relatively annoying, but for a race application where keeping 3000 RPM's is pretty easy, its quite an advantage.
Jlevi SW
02-18-2006, 11:55 PM
Ahhhhh so this is more appealing to those of you who track....
I always wondered why AA offered both SC's and Turbos for the E36's... "they both have roughly the same power to $ ratio" - Makes sense though :)
JL
BimmerDude18
02-19-2006, 12:06 AM
Ahhhhh so this is more appealing to those of you who track....
I always wondered why AA offered both SC's and Turbos for the E36's... "they both have roughly the same power to $ ratio" - Makes sense though :)
JL
A turbo has a few other advantages as well, although the peak numbers are bigger, the area under the curve (can be computed as work ... think physics integrals) is bigger, which means its a better $ value. More importantly however. If I was to take a turbo engine, tune it to 600 HP at 20 psi, then have 3 other tunes for 500, 400, and 300 hp, at decreasing boost values. I can change the wastegate setting (sometimes requires a spring change) and swap the file (most standalones this is easy to do) pretty quickly and go from daily driver low boost, good on gas, to monster.
Thats the real appeal to me at least, the ability to easily adapt to the situation.
I would prefer TS though, I think that Eurosports E36 twin screw kit is the best option for E36 M3's on the market for the time being.
BoostedBoogie
02-19-2006, 12:24 AM
I'm just saying, I want to know what you guys see as the perks of turbos vs. superchargers. If it were a twin turbo setup, I would understand - nothing beats that IMHO, but for the E46 I just want to understand your logic.
my FD had a twin turbo setup from the factory. you should take a ride with the single t-78 turbo that replaced the TT setup (t-88 in previous post was a typo).
eg6turbo
02-19-2006, 12:36 AM
you dont get 2 psi at 3k on a turbo and you dont get 8psiat 3 k on a supercharger.....
like stated above comes down to turbo size :D
lol i was saying it the other way around....a supercharger gets 2 psi at 3k and 8 psi at 7k...while the turbo holds boost from 3k-7k...
TaZaM3
02-19-2006, 03:28 AM
By my experience, i enjoy the power curve of a supercharger far better then a turbo. Turbo's are laggy and boost tapers off, superchargers are linear and make more boost as RPM's rise. Some superchargers make good boost at low RPMS's, for ex.. my rotrex makes 5psi at 4k and goes up to 10psi at 8k. My TQ curve is very flat, traditionally turbo'd car's lose TQ as RPM's rise (although they make more peak TQ).
Supra's even the more powerful ones generally have a horrible power curve.
Jlevi SW
02-19-2006, 03:31 AM
Then again, you do drive a 911 turbo, so you can't hate the turbo configuration all that much - although like i said, TT is the way to go...
TaZaM3
02-19-2006, 03:33 AM
Then again, you do drive a 911 turbo, so you can't hate the turbo configuration all that much - although like i said, TT is the way to go...
The TT plain sucks under 3k and even after that it takes time to start up. And as the RPM's rise you start losing the kick, where as my m3 will just dominate it.
Jlevi SW
02-19-2006, 03:38 AM
:drool:
JL
Dougs325
02-19-2006, 08:58 PM
wow!! I cannot wait for this to be installed Hung. Please post sound clips too!!!!:bow:
MrBlonde
02-20-2006, 04:34 AM
By my experience, i enjoy the power curve of a supercharger far better then a turbo. Turbo's are laggy and boost tapers off, superchargers are linear and make more boost as RPM's rise. Some superchargers make good boost at low RPMS's, for ex.. my rotrex makes 5psi at 4k and goes up to 10psi at 8k. My TQ curve is very flat, traditionally turbo'd car's lose TQ as RPM's rise (although they make more peak TQ).
Supra's even the more powerful ones generally have a horrible power curve.
A turbo setup is only laggy if the turbo and engine are mismatched. For a street car it is relatively easy to match a turbo.
In my experience a turbo does not taper off boost as RPMs come on .. it just builds and builds like a giant hand in your back. Of course it all depends on how well engineered your setup is.
Regarding a Porsche 996 TT (I also have one as a daily driver) you cannot compare a stock 996 TT to a modified supercharged or turbocharged M3.
The stock Porka has all manner of power controlling electonics to keep things civilised. Try spending the same money on the 996 TT in modifications as you have on your S/C E46 and see which one dominates!
MrBlonde
02-20-2006, 04:38 AM
it is the same but it has not convinced the american E36 and the swede BMW FI that its putting the power that he is claiming despite the video. There are many mathematical equations (im no mathmatician by any means) that just dont add up with some of the components that hes using.
Lets just bring this thread back to Hungs build up.
The videos that Mert has show a turbo E36 M3 at high speed in a straight line on a public road with a 350 bhp Ferrari. Now you know which car is going to win that battle of horsepower.
If you have ever been to an NHRA race meeting and watched the Pro Stock racecars then you have seen what 1,100 bhp looks like.
I'll leave it at that.
NickG
02-20-2006, 08:50 AM
A turbo setup is only laggy if the turbo and engine are mismatched. For a street car it is relatively easy to match a turbo.
In my experience a turbo does not taper off boost as RPMs come on .. it just builds and builds like a giant hand in your back. Of course it all depends on how well engineered your setup is.
Agreed. If the boost drops off in the upper RPMs with a turbo, then 1 of 3 conditions exists (or a combination of 3):
- the boost controller isn't setup properly
- the turbo is improperly sized (too small)
- the system plumbing is inefficient (too much restriction)
Mike Benvo
02-20-2006, 11:15 AM
Agreed. If the boost drops off in the upper RPMs with a turbo, then 1 of 3 conditions exists (or a combination of 3):
- the boost controller isn't setup properly
- the turbo is improperly sized (too small)
- the system plumbing is inefficient (too much restriction)
+ boost leak (BOV not holding pressure past a certain threshold)
I'd take a perfectly tuned turbo over an SC anyday of the week, personally.
GarrettF
02-20-2006, 11:51 AM
drive a properly tuned turbo car with a GT35R ball bearing garrett turbo, with a waste gate that holds boost good, and a BOV that not leaking and then tell me that you still love your SC. I love my single turbo FD,
i think the worst part of a SC is that crusing on the highway you are in boost, where in a turbo car you arent
plus with boost controller you can drop you power for bad weather
or easily turn it up if you fill up with 100 octane.
turbo>superchager
E46325Ci
02-20-2006, 12:02 PM
Agreed. If the boost drops off in the upper RPMs with a turbo, then 1 of 3 conditions exists (or a combination of 3):
- the boost controller isn't setup properly
- the turbo is improperly sized (too small)
- the system plumbing is inefficient (too much restriction)
the master speaks. Nick G is a well respected tuner, he'll be tuning my brothers widebody e36 m3 with a GT35r on it!
turboaddiction
02-20-2006, 12:07 PM
the master speaks. Nick G is a well respected tuner, he'll be tuning my brothers widebody e36 m3 with a GT35r on it!
Man I can't wait to hear the results of that!:thumbup:
Mike Benvo
02-20-2006, 12:44 PM
drive a properly tuned turbo car with a GT35R ball bearing garrett turbo, with a waste gate that holds boost good, and a BOV that not leaking and then tell me that you still love your SC. I love my single turbo FD,
i think the worst part of a SC is that crusing on the highway you are in boost, where in a turbo car you arent
plus with boost controller you can drop you power for bad weather
or easily turn it up if you fill up with 100 octane.
turbo>superchager
I'm not in boost when I'm driving on the highway. I could drive the car easily without ever hitting 1psi, and I would still be quick. You really have to get on it to build boost, unless you are in a higher gear or overdrive gear and have your foot down a good amount.
GarrettF
02-20-2006, 01:00 PM
so cruising at 3500 rpms in cruise control and the boost guag reads zero on a supercharged car, i thought the asa kits only disengaged at idle?!?
Solid
02-20-2006, 01:40 PM
It's because the bypass valves are open. They only close when you go WOT (or near it).
TaZaM3
02-20-2006, 01:42 PM
drive a properly tuned turbo car with a GT35R ball bearing garrett turbo, with a waste gate that holds boost good, and a BOV that not leaking and then tell me that you still love your SC. I love my single turbo FD,
i think the worst part of a SC is that crusing on the highway you are in boost, where in a turbo car you arent
plus with boost controller you can drop you power for bad weather
or easily turn it up if you fill up with 100 octane.
turbo>superchager
I agree with alot of things, they both have their Pro's and Con's. With a turbo its far easier to make lots of power and TQ, with a supercharger its just simple.
Your not with the SC on the highway if you dont to be. Sure the belt is spinning but boost isnt being created unless you actually give it some gas.
But always remember its not about Peak power, rather the time under the power curve.
Mike Benvo
02-20-2006, 02:21 PM
so cruising at 3500 rpms in cruise control and the boost guag reads zero on a supercharged car, i thought the asa kits only disengaged at idle?!?
If you aren't on the gas hard, the BPV's remain open and there is vacuum up to atmospheric pressure. Once you go past a certain threshold of throttle/load, the supercharger begins to produce boost. The air is still accellerated at any time over 1500RPM (where the clutch engages), but the pressure in the engine is not above atmospheric pressure.
OCswedishM3
02-20-2006, 03:09 PM
Man I can't wait to hear the results of that!:thumbup:
Dont mean to highjack the thread or anything, but since you have a e36 M3 maybe u could add some info? a post of me racing a turbo e36 just wanted to know what he had under the hood.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=339352
KOTHB
02-20-2006, 03:54 PM
If you aren't on the gas hard, the BPV's remain open and there is vacuum up to atmospheric pressure. Once you go past a certain threshold of throttle/load, the supercharger begins to produce boost. The air is still accellerated at any time over 1500RPM (where the clutch engages), but the pressure in the engine is not above atmospheric pressure.
So the only time the ASA gives you additional power is when you're at or near WOT? With moderate driving there's no gain? I thought that as long as you were over 1K rpms that the blower earned its keep.
GarrettF
02-20-2006, 04:18 PM
i guess someoe i know who has an asa kit doesnt have a working bpv...
TaZaM3
02-20-2006, 04:26 PM
i guess someoe i know who has an asa kit doesnt have a working bpv...
Its not only the ASA kit, all the SC kits out there are on vacuum most of the time.
GarrettF
02-20-2006, 04:27 PM
im saying that he is always on boost, crusing around
samir@technik
02-20-2006, 05:34 PM
So the only time the ASA gives you additional power is when you're at or near WOT? With moderate driving there's no gain? I thought that as long as you were over 1K rpms that the blower earned its keep.
Sounds like there is some confusion about how an SC builds boost. Since the SC is belt driven, it will <u>always</u> build X amount of boost at Y RPM. Using the ASA blower as an example, it starts to build boost at about 1500-2000RPM and peaks at redline. You will <u>always</u> have boost in between those engine speeds. The only reason why people don't "see" boost on their gauge during part throttle conditions is due to the throttleplate being closed or partially closed. When that happens, the BPVs are venting and recirculating excess boost.
This is one advantage of the CF SC in that boost is always on when you need it, whereas a turbo needs to spool when you get back on the throttle to build boost. The tradeoff however is that the SC will make peak boost at redline, while the turbo will make it earlier.
SC = instant boost, but peaks at redline
Turbo = some lag, but peaks earlier
KOTHB
02-20-2006, 06:04 PM
Got it. Thanks!
budman
02-20-2006, 06:08 PM
waiting for thread to get back on topic..
Good info on this thread.
sheefo2k
02-21-2006, 03:33 PM
hung any more pics?? hah
dirsh
02-21-2006, 09:25 PM
hmm... I'm actually thinking about picking up a kit now
Rider_Ryuuga_13
02-21-2006, 10:44 PM
Hey dirsh, aloha :hi: Which island are you from? I live on the Big Island :)
dirsh
02-22-2006, 01:12 AM
Hey dirsh, aloha :hi: Which island are you from? I live on the Big Island :)
sup ryu
I live on oahu. I have family in Hilo though.
:hi:
Hung@Fiber-D
02-23-2006, 01:49 PM
nada yet.
Lay2Low
02-23-2006, 08:54 PM
Not sure if you have answered this yet, but who is going to be doing the install?
DA-MOTORSPORT
02-27-2006, 12:21 PM
A huge box has left.
Only TSI will come late this week along with the installation manual and software for fine tune.
MarvelPhx
02-27-2006, 12:31 PM
A huge box has left.
Only TSI will come late this week along with the installation manual and software for fine tune.
I hope all the kits you plan on selling don't ship in this disjointed manner. The US market would never stand for getting a system in 2 or 3 or more shipments over the course of 4+ weeks. Just my $.02
Is this the first production kit to go out?
turboaddiction
02-27-2006, 12:39 PM
I can't wait to see that manifold!:)
Hung@Fiber-D
02-27-2006, 03:04 PM
I hope all the kits you plan on selling don't ship in this disjointed manner. The US market would never stand for getting a system in 2 or 3 or more shipments over the course of 4+ weeks. Just my $.02
Is this the first production kit to go out?
Once everythign is installed, and is fine and dandy. I don't think the next production would be in segment.
Well it might be, since custom is alot. Shipping a side skirt to Sweden cost 400 dollars.
noBenz
02-27-2006, 04:18 PM
I thought he had already sent out box 2?
e popa
02-27-2006, 07:55 PM
yeah?:dunno:
dirsh
02-27-2006, 07:56 PM
so who's going to install it?
Hung@Fiber-D
02-27-2006, 07:59 PM
so who's going to install it?
boost logic.
A local shop who specialize in supra, mr2 and what not..
turboaddiction
02-28-2006, 12:53 AM
boost logic.
A local shop who specialize in supra, mr2 and what not..
:bow: :bow: :bow: Kneel before Boostlogic(God)
BoostedBoogie
02-28-2006, 07:07 PM
I thought he had already sent out box 2?
that's what i thought
beanfree
02-28-2006, 10:12 PM
I think there are more than 2 boxes.
Hung@Fiber-D
03-01-2006, 05:09 PM
I think there are more than 2 boxes.
Correct,
2nd package came today.
I think the last one is tomorrow.
Manifold, IC piping, hose, brackets, custom rear tranny bracket :thanks:, turbosmart BOV, etc etc all came in.... and new injectors which I didn't expect to be part of the deal which goes for about $300-900 for all 6. I guess I won't be needing to go purchase one now. :drool:
Last package = IC, TSI, and manual are next.
Everything was packed well with a lable on each item down to the washers and nuts for which part it was for. Excellent work there DA Motorsport :thanks:
Hopefully the car will be ready by Bimmerfest.
Install will take place soon at F-Design shop.
The car will either be at Edge Motorwerk or Valley Motorwerk for tuning.
noBenz
03-01-2006, 05:24 PM
Nice :thumbup:
Lemonsqr
03-01-2006, 05:45 PM
Based on looks alone, i would say its looking good:thumbup:
e popa
03-01-2006, 06:13 PM
Hung what size injectors?
netengwiz
03-01-2006, 06:19 PM
Sweet! If you take it to Edge, I wanna stop by and see it. :thumbup:
turboaddiction
03-01-2006, 06:19 PM
:yikes: I am amazed so far! Looks like they took the manifold idea off of the AA manifold which is absolutely fine since that manifold has produced 630whp+(on e36) before. Everything looks packaged and labelled well. Gotta give it up to DA Motorsport! If everything works out, this is going to be huge! :thumbup:
GBX330ci
03-01-2006, 06:48 PM
custom rear tranny bracket :thanks:
what's the custom bracket for? Is there a real need?
Hung@Fiber-D
03-01-2006, 09:11 PM
what's the custom bracket for? Is there a real need?
more power to the ground. Less twist.
Lay2Low
03-01-2006, 09:27 PM
Looks so sick! :thumbup:
Rider_Ryuuga_13
03-01-2006, 10:29 PM
Awesome, can't wait to see the final results of all this :clap:
BMW_DK
03-02-2006, 04:14 AM
When they started shipping (late), I was afraid that what was in the boxes wouldn't live up to our expectations. But I guess so far, the only issue has been the late delivery. I'm so much looking forward to the final result.
Hung@Fiber-D
03-02-2006, 04:38 AM
I know theres going to be some demand.. if this system work.
And then you will see a bunch of SC system on the classifed wanting to swap over.
Expect final result sometime this month.
Cruzer03
03-02-2006, 07:38 AM
Very interesting!
BlumberB18
03-02-2006, 11:26 AM
Let the install begin .... :)
TaZaM3
03-02-2006, 11:49 AM
I know theres going to be some demand.. if this system work.
And then you will see a bunch of SC system on the classifed wanting to swap over.
Expect final result sometime this month.
Time will tell. Even if the kit is good, the tuner is very far away, any support would be difficult. I really want to see how the car is going to run. The hardware looks good! GL
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