DA Turbo Charge Pre-Results - dyno

[monkeyjuice5150]

While I was over at Walters. I came there to get my braking problem fixed + a dyno. Well apparently I did get my braking problem fixed, which he and his crew did a great job on. Walter was busy that day and that he couldn't be able to get my car on his dyno rack, that it might destroy my side and front. So he sent me over to his neighbor who also does turbo tuning etc.

So I went over to MidNight Performance to have my car looked at and dyno. To see if they can fix my boost leak. While taking a look we notice there was a loose bolt on to turbo acculator. Which means I have to take down the turbo kit, tighten the bolt, then remount. We're talking about a 6 hour job here. So we didn't have time for that and just go ahead with the dyno and see what kind of numbers we're going to get at 6.5psi

Well here's how it went.

The stock number I pulled awhile ago at Edge Motorwerks was 201hp 204tq.

The 1st run with Mert's TSI air/fuel map gave me a whopping 225hp, 240 tq.... LOL. I was so dissapointed in the numbers.
Remember this is the base map of 6.5psi. Supposily tuned ready to go. Which I then found out it wasn't. It was just for safety reason that when I drive my car it wouldn't blow. The Air/Fuel reading on this was below 10 ratio. I came there thinking I would just spent 80 dollars for 3 runs, then caming out something that I didn't expect.

So after playing around with the TSI graph a bit more, I've gotten the air/fuel map to straighten out a bit from 1k to 4.5k rpm @ 13 ratio. Then after 4.5k rpm my boost started to drops due to the leak. So ok, we sorted out the low end power. But due to the leak, and my laptop battery dying out. We wouldn't be able to tune the top end anyways. So I was able to extract more HP and TQ out of the low end @ 6.5 psi 247.6 hp / 264.5 tq topped @ 4.5k rpm. So I gained about 22 more hp/tq just a bit of tuning.

If you were to look at the graph, after 4.5k it shows boost drop down to like 2psi or so

So all in all, the tuning was a headache to perfect. We had to run the car about 30 times that day, which came out to 2 hours, $180.00 a hour for tuning. The most abuse I ever put on the car.

I would say about 2 more hours of tuning or so, and a fixed boost leak. It seem likes I can reach over the 300 mark easily @ 6.5psi.

I'm hoping to have the leak fixed sometime this week so I can get full power of 6.5psi to redline.

As for 10psi, that'll be another story.

Thanks for reading,
Hung

[ADA]

thanks for the update Hung!

can't wait until the kit is fully tuned

[eurotekm3]

did Hung change his screen name ?

[EIAlfonso]

Wow , takes some nerve to come on here and post, yet you can't help out a few fanatics to try and recover the thousands of dollars they lost.

If you have been helping them out behind the scenes, with the Fiberdesign fiasco, then my apologies.

[russ330]

Damn Hung, sounds like a lot of work for a kit that I thought was supposed to be "bolt on." :yikes:

did Hung change his screen name ?

This was his account well before Fiber Design.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

it is a bolt on and needs fine tune.

[MachRc]

can't wait to see the final numbers!

[funkyman]

It needs PSI mate PSI around 9psi it would be good for everyday driving,i thought you had already fixed the leak.
Mert i thought you had already perfected or fine tuned the bloody thing and then sent it.

[NickG]

it is a bolt on and needs fine tune.

Doesn't the term 'bolt-on' imply that no tweaking or tuning is necessary? Being 50-75hp short of the advertised goal is more than just fine tuning :hmm:

[tvieira24]

Doesn't the term 'bolt-on' imply that no tweaking or tuning is necessary? Being 50-75hp short of the advertised goal is more than just fine tuning :hmm:

It's almost impossible to make a fine tune thats broad enough to work with EVERY car. Every car is different and not all will respond to the same map/tuning. Thats how it's always been, but I'm sure there will be a better basic safety map out when the kit starts production :thumbsup:

I want to see how the car will perform with the turbo sticking at 6.5 psi throughout the powerband without dropping boost.

Does anyone know what turbo is being used? I hope it's not too small, if it is it's probably the reason for boost falling on it's face at the high rpm range. There also could be a problem with the wastegate if boost is dying off as well as a pre/post turbo exhaust leak.

[GodSendsDeath]

Mert, you'r bolt on kit sucks. I'am sorry to use harsh words like that but it dose. Its not a bolt on kit, i dont mean to get off topic but Hung i wish you luck with that wreck of a kit and i hope you get that fixed. So i guess this means that there is still no true turbo kit for the e46 and we need to be looking forward to the good all AA and ESS for the TS set ups.

[NickG]

It's almost impossible to make a fine tune thats broad enough to work with EVERY car. Every car is different and not all will respond to the same map/tuning. Thats how it's always been, but I'm sure there will be a better basic safety map out when the kit starts production :thumbsup:

You're right, to a point. Well written software will work properly in 99.9% of the cars out there. A small majority will need tweaking to put out max power, but that's just to pick up a few hp, not 50-75hp.

I have enough experience tuning BMWs to know :thumbsup:

[vaio76109]

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[BMW_DK]

On a Turbo setup, the poewr is delivered high in the rev range, and so far, his in reality only goes to 4500, yet delivers 248 HP. I therefore believe Hung, when he states that he can rach the 300 mark easily @6.5.

I wouldn't call the kit "bolt on" as long as the base map is working with AFRs around 10. Lets see how Hungs tuning goes, and they can then use that as a base map in the states.

[monkeyjuice5150]

On a Turbo setup, the poewr is delivered high in the rev range, and so far, his in reality only goes to 4500, yet delivers 248 HP. I therefore believe Hung, when he states that he can rach the 300 mark easily @6.5.

I wouldn't call the kit "bolt on" as long as the base map is working with AFRs around 10. Lets see how Hungs tuning goes, and they can then use that as a base map in the states.

Correct. :hi:

I'm going to try to fix the Wastegate tomorrow, since thats where the leak is coming from.

[monkeyjuice5150]

Mert, you'r bolt on kit sucks. I'am sorry to use harsh words like that but it dose. Its not a bolt on kit, i dont mean to get off topic but Hung i wish you luck with that wreck of a kit and i hope you get that fixed. So i guess this means that there is still no true turbo kit for the e46 and we need to be looking forward to the good all AA and ESS for the TS set ups.

Well, I believe DA-MS do have a true kit, just not tune ready. Which I'm helping on. The kit is not a wreak at all.

The leak has nothing to do with DA-MS. This is all my fault on this part since I do believe that I have and might of mounted it wrong, and did not look into the wastegate more then I should have.

If I had installed this kit right the 1st time, I probably wouldn't have a leak.

[bimmerbum46]

so did your FD account get deleted?

[monkeyjuice5150]

so did your FD account get deleted?

no it did not.

[funkyman]

Whatever,we are waiting for the fine print from you,cause frankly i`m not willing to wait untill next spring for a turbo kit from horsepowerfreaks.com.So i`ll be happy if you can fine tune it to 340-350hp@7.5-8psi for everyday driving conditions.Any chance of the manifold cracking within 20k miles.I heard all turbo manifolds eventually crack over time under continuous pressure and heat fluctuation,but the article didn`t mention a specific time period.Anyway good luck.

[tvieira24]

If it's a tubular stainless steel manifold made from 16 gauge steel or less, then it will eventually crack. If it's more than 16 gauge, which isn't very common then it'll be less prone to cracking.

If it's a cast manifold made of either ductile iron, steel or stainless steel then it'll be far less prone to cracking unless the manufacturer wasn't made aware that the manifold would be dealing with high temperatures.

[Tireux Roche]

[QUOTE=Monkeyjuice5051;4756088]
The leak has nothing to do with DA-MS. This is all my fault on this part since I do believe that I have and might of mounted it wrong, and did not look into the wastegate more then I should have.
QUOTE]



Think this could be a result of endless waiting for parts and installation instructions?

I admire your perserverance Hung.

[Yellowmann]

[QUOTE=Monkeyjuice5051;4756088]
The leak has nothing to do with DA-MS. This is all my fault on this part since I do believe that I have and might of mounted it wrong, and did not look into the wastegate more then I should have.
QUOTE]



Think this could be a result of endless waiting for parts and installation instructions?

I admire your perserverance Hung.
I was going to ask if Hung had to create DIY for DA since it's a bolt on puzzle. I'm also sorry that he had to go through all this headache for this long and his car is still not running right. Best of luck to you bro....

[funkyman]

Don`t forget one needs to be a pretty good expert mechanic,not only competent,but experienced as well when installing even bolt on turbos.Not a walk in the park at all.Its not as if Hung or any mechanic in the USA for that matter installs a turbo every month.I tell you what i live in FL,i would be pushed hard to find a mechanic to get it done,even with a bolt on,they normally turn and walk the other way as soon as they see a BMW.Hell i couldn`t even get the guys to change my O2 sensors or pulleys let alone install a Turbo kit.Im in Fort Lauderdale thats not far from AA by the way.

[sheefo2k]

contact me I got a shop for you that will do you a custom turbo kit for the right price

[clean-m-tech330]

what blows me away is how easy it is it to fab up a kit... and how hard it is to tune one... :banghead: im still stoked to evetually see a bolt on turbo kit for the E46 :excited:

[sheefo2k]

I ve talked to many turbo geeks (VW mostly) they said they can get me a turbo kit for under 3gs (cost) and 1 G in tunning and dynoing.

Its not hard, its just tuning is a *****.

[Tireux Roche]

it is a bolt on and needs fine tune.


Attaching a turbo with bolts doesn't make it "bolt-on".

[clean-m-tech330]

^

haha, yes indeed- so anyone interested in tuning a kit? :craig:

[shoe]

Mert, you'r bolt on kit sucks. I'am sorry to use harsh words like that but it dose. Its not a bolt on kit, i dont mean to get off topic but Hung i wish you luck with that wreck of a kit and i hope you get that fixed. So i guess this means that there is still no true turbo kit for the e46 and we need to be looking forward to the good all AA and ESS for the TS set ups.

:werd:

[eg6turbo]

While I was over at Walters. I came there to get my braking problem fixed + a dyno. Well apparently I did get my braking problem fixed, which he and his crew did a great job on. Walter was busy that day and that he couldn't be able to get my car on his dyno rack, that it might destroy my side and front. So he sent me over to his neighbor who also does turbo tuning etc.

So I went over to MidNight Performance to have my car looked at and dyno. To see if they can fix my boost leak. While taking a look we notice there was a loose bolt on to turbo acculator. Which means I have to take down the turbo kit, tighten the bolt, then remount. We're talking about a 6 hour job here. So we didn't have time for that and just go ahead with the dyno and see what kind of numbers we're going to get at 6.5psi

Well here's how it went.

The stock number I pulled awhile ago at Edge Motorwerks was 201hp 204tq.

The 1st run with Mert's TSI air/fuel map gave me a whopping 225hp, 240 tq.... LOL. I was so dissapointed in the numbers.
Remember this is the base map of 6.5psi. Supposily tuned ready to go. Which I then found out it wasn't. It was just for safety reason that when I drive my car it wouldn't blow. The Air/Fuel reading on this was below 10 ratio. I came there thinking I would just spent 80 dollars for 3 runs, then caming out something that I didn't expect.

So after playing around with the TSI graph a bit more, I've gotten the air/fuel map to straighten out a bit from 1k to 4.5k rpm @ 13 ratio. Then after 4.5k rpm my boost started to drops due to the leak. So ok, we sorted out the low end power. But due to the leak, and my laptop battery dying out. We wouldn't be able to tune the top end anyways. So I was able to extract more HP and TQ out of the low end @ 6.5 psi 247.6 hp / 264.5 tq topped @ 4.5k rpm. So I gained about 22 more hp/tq just a bit of tuning.

If you were to look at the graph, after 4.5k it shows boost drop down to like 2psi or so

So all in all, the tuning was a headache to perfect. We had to run the car about 30 times that day, which came out to 2 hours, $180.00 a hour for tuning. The most abuse I ever put on the car.

I would say about 2 more hours of tuning or so, and a fixed boost leak. It seem likes I can reach over the 300 mark easily @ 6.5psi.

I'm hoping to have the leak fixed sometime this week so I can get full power of 6.5psi to redline.

As for 10psi, that'll be another story.

Thanks for reading,
Hung


hey hung...at least u made some power...but its cool to see that u went over to my buddies shop to get that thing dyno'd warren is that man when it come to all that technically stuff....he knows hondas better but at least he could help out a little...

[p0op3y]

what happened with fiberdesign?

[vaio76109]

what happened with fiberdesign?
He's moved on to a better place.

[funkyman]

Hey Hung what happened to the Turbo and Dyno for god sakes when are you going to tune the ruddy thing:hmm: :banghead: :rolleyes: :idea:

[cedchung]

Hey Hung what happened to the Turbo and Dyno for god sakes when are you going to tune the ruddy thing:hmm: :banghead: :rolleyes: :idea:

+1

[A55A55IN]

So wtf happend to this

[funkyman]

Hey Hung what happened to the Turbo and Dyno for god sakes when are you going to tune the ruddy thing:hmm: :banghead: :rolleyes: :idea:


Its been 6 months for heaven sakes HPF already developped and installed one you yet still have to tune it:excited:

[Lemonsqr]

it is a bolt on and needs fine tune.

Fine tuning?!!:rofl: Either you are a total idiot or you have absolutely no shame. Fine tuning implies at most a day or two on a dyno after the hardware is installed. By your definition, "fine tuning" = "research and development". A bolton kit means once the hardware and software is installed, the components will produce the claimed performance. Your "kit" is not bolt-on and you have no self respect. You are a joke!

[Mliner]

I don't think they are a sponsor on fanatics any more because hung was taking members money, and not shipping there products untill after 2-3 months or even longer.

[funkyman]

DA Motorsports is a load of bullocks by the sounds ,especially the looks of it.What a bunch of rip off artists.