E46 M3 Turbo S

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

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E46 M3 Turbo Kit is finished, testing on DYNO DYNAMICS and on the road continues.

Detailed webpage will come come soon.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

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E46 M3 Turbo S on Dyno Dynamics Twin Retarder Dyno

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

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[MachRc]

oow I like the "plaque" you got in on the engine bay..

as for turbos and such, I really do have respect for your left wing plot to slap turbos on every e46 models. Even though theres been alot of bashing, you got balls to brings it to a public forum and with all your experience with kits that fail and some kits that don't fair as well:) . Its nice seeing some one push the envelope always. Keep up the good werk (jumps into flame suit)

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

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Exhaust gas discharge fan and twin retarders of DYNO DYNAMICS

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

Turbocharger sits on the exhaust side.

A hand made TUBULAR exhaust manifold replaces original headers.

Standard M3 produces 264 wheel horsepower (air fuel ratios very lean)

M3 Turbo S produces 420 wheelhosepower @ 8 psi.

Boost pressure will be increased up to 11 psi.

A detailed video of TURBO S will be at our webpage once we finish testing and mapping @ 11 psi.

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

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Light weight philosphy combined with Turbo power....

[Jerk_circus]

looks promising. goodluck :thumbup:

[DA-MOTORSPORT]

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Air fan, the metal crate on the left side is the fan which blows air into the intercooler and engine.

[sheefo2k]

keep posting pics....

Sheefo2k was here

[sheefo2k]

hey hows the AFR?

[clean-m-tech330]

This should be an interesting thread....

[stylinexpat]

This should be an interesting thread....


X2:)

[monabaker]

So how much for this turbo kit?

[MachRc]

with all respect,just dont say "finished" and say your testing and mapping. Say your finished with hardware, and then say your in the process of mapping and testing. This is where people will bash you Mr.Mert.

[M3LTDOWN]

Alex was here.

[Tireux Roche]

Congratulations on the new kit.

Have you done anything to address the dismal customer service you displayed with Hung?

Frankly, I don't care if you come out with the Instant Bolt-On Massively Awesome Blower/Turbo/NOS/Flux Capacitor if your systems come shipped in 19 packages over the course of five months with no directions.

[Diaonic]

awaiting price..

[K-DOG]

car sitting on dyno with no dyno results = finished. I see.

[sheefo2k]

Mert you have a very very hard crowd to please, you have to do ALOT to please us. Sure not many of us can afford one of your kits but if you please us, the word will pass around. Its like free advertisment and people with $$$ will come flying towards you.

Goodluck and I hope you can please us.
~Sherif

[GodSendsDeath]

I dont know about this, i like the pics i must say. And Iam very happy by the 429 figuer at 8psi, we need to see some pics of the dyno of your "Work in Progress Kit" which is OK, at least you are makeing one and no one else that i know is saying or doing anything about it. Lets hope this kit dont flop and you get something solid here, i know of alot of people that would love to turbo there M3.

[Lay2Low]

Looks great! I am excited to see one of these on a US m3!

Nothin like turbo power, I know from experience :evil:

[Chr325is]

Wheres the dyno sheet?

[k3vkoh]

M3 Turbo S produces 420 wheelhosepower @ 8 psi.

Boost pressure will be increased up to 11 psi.

A detailed video of TURBO S will be at our webpage once we finish testing and mapping @ 11 psi.
Err...Dyno sheet for the 8psi? :excited:

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

I dont know about this, i like the pics i must say. And Iam very happy by the 429 figuer at 8psi, we need to see some pics of the dyno of your "Work in Progress Kit" which is OK, at least you are makeing one and no one else that i know is saying or doing anything about it. Lets hope this kit dont flop and you get something solid here, i know of alot of people that would love to turbo there M3.
:mischief: There are a few stateside in the works as you say this. Hardware really is only like a 1/5th of the bs you go through though.

[GodSendsDeath]

There are a few stateside in the works as you say this. Hardware really is only like a 1/5th of the bs you go through though.

Even better thanks i didnt know, I wouldnt want to buy a kit that i need ti finish my self anyways lol. You know where i could read up on them.

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

Even better thanks i didnt know, I wouldnt want to buy a kit that i need ti finish my self anyways lol. You know where i could read up on them.

There are a couple custom ones, and the tuners I know of that are working on them are keeping it under wraps at the moment. I think its going to be one of those "don't want to make a big scene and then have it not work" type of deals. HPfreaks and Technik were putting a kit together though, so thats one for you.

[clean-m-tech330]

Technik is currently working on that kit- it's a very well designed unit, it's going to be worth the wait! Samir/Zolti + HP freaks = lots of power !! because we all know that turbo is :craig:

[funkyman]

Mert nevermind 11psi,is it working @ 8psi and if so where are the Dyno results then?Were you able to program the ECU successfully with your so called TSI management.What the heeealllll is goin on officer!!??Were is the dyno being done,flippin Maranello ITALY?:excited: :read: :banghead: :thumbsup :

[clean-m-tech330]

I'd like to get to see some dyno sheets as well. 11 psi would be pretty high for that car, or am i wrong I'm curious to know what tazaa was running-

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

Mert nevermind 11psi,is it working @ 8psi and if so where are the Dyno results then?Were you able to program the ECU successfully with your so called TSI management.What the heeealllll is goin on officer!!??Were is the dyno being done,flippin Maranello ITALY?:excited: :read: :banghead: :thumbsup :

The TSI works, its just more parts and work for install so most tuners prefer an ECU flash if they car get away with it - its just actually tuning the car....never heard of a performance shop not having their own dyno.

[unvmym3]

azevedo motorsports actually has teh first boosted s54 , stuffed in a wide body e30 m3 ..at 10 lbs makes mid 500's to the wheels .running aem ecu and converted to throttle cable ,

[m28]

Technik is currently working on that kit- it's a very well designed unit, it's going to be worth the wait! Samir/Zolti + HP freaks = lots of power !! because we all know that turbo is :craig:

I believe Technik is no longer tuning HP freak's turbo cars.

last month, Housepower Freak hired AEM's lead Engine Management Engineer to tune their turbo BMWs.

[m28]

I'd like to get to see some dyno sheets as well. 11 psi would be pretty high for that car, or am i wrong I'm curious to know what tazaa was running-

on a cold night, Vik was seeing 11+psi.

11psi from a turbo will creat more heat than 11psi from a supercharger though...

[xxcosmicxx]

looks like it could be sweet...

... it's too bad that DA is in Turkey though :rolleyes:

[funkyman]

Too bad they are c...k teasers.

[2K5 325i]

2K5 was here... here wanting an M3, an E46 M3 Turbo S to be specific.

-Chris

[2003330i]

azevedo motorsports actually has teh first boosted s54 , stuffed in a wide body e30 m3 ..at 10 lbs makes mid 500's to the wheels .running aem ecu and converted to throttle cable ,


i saw that car. it looks so sick

[NickG]

on a cold night, Vik was seeing 11+psi.

11psi from a turbo will creat more heat than 11psi from a supercharger though...

That's completely untrue. If both compressor sections have the same efficiency at the same boost level, then both will heat up the air the same. Don't forget that centrifugal superchargers are merely belt-driven turbo compressors.

[crazy1323]

That's completely untrue. If both compressor sections have the same efficiency at the same boost level, then both will heat up the air the same. Don't forget that centrifugal superchargers are merely belt-driven turbo compressors.

Belt driven is KEY there. The belt on all engine is located at the front of the engine. This means that a supercharger is out of the way of the exhaust path and has a good source of cold air flow.

Now look where a turbo is, RIGHT ON THE EXHAUST MANIFOLD, which reaches temps arround 1300 degrees with little to no airflow. I have a very very powerful turbo car, stage 4 Porsche TT, and on a dyno run if you turn the lights off you can see the turbos glowing red hot. I would love to see a supercharger do that. I also have a '71 charger with a weiand 8-71 blower sticking out the hood, after passes it is still cool enough to touch. So a turbo's intake temp will be much hotter witht the same boost pressure and same aftercooler.

[OCswedishM3]

That's completely untrue. If both compressor sections have the same efficiency at the same boost level, then both will heat up the air the same. Don't forget that centrifugal superchargers are merely belt-driven turbo compressors.

Wrong...The turbo will create more heat alot quicker as full boost will be achieved well before redline...Let alone the turbo will be much harder on the car all together than a centri SC.

[OCswedishM3]

azevedo motorsports actually has teh first boosted s54 , stuffed in a wide body e30 m3 ..at 10 lbs makes mid 500's to the wheels .running aem ecu and converted to throttle cable ,

Not the first...there is a turbo in Greece that is pushing in the 700whp range and already has posted a video racing an R1 bike...and destroying it..

[HartgeM3Power]

Not the first...there is a turbo in Greece that is pushing in the 700whp range and already has posted a video racing an R1 bike...and destroying it..

where can this vid be found?

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

I'm still impressed by the twin turbo 3002 that was in the roundel.

That car would have been fun to work on for sure :yikes:

[NickG]

Belt driven is KEY there. The belt on all engine is located at the front of the engine. This means that a supercharger is out of the way of the exhaust path and has a good source of cold air flow.

Now look where a turbo is, RIGHT ON THE EXHAUST MANIFOLD, which reaches temps arround 1300 degrees with little to no airflow. I have a very very powerful turbo car, stage 4 Porsche TT, and on a dyno run if you turn the lights off you can see the turbos glowing red hot. I would love to see a supercharger do that.

You're assuming that the proximity of the exhaust, and its related heat, is automatically transferred to the induction/cold side. Well it's not. The turbine housing does get hot, very hot. But between the turbine housing and compressor housing is the bearing housing. The bearing housing is cooled by oil, and often times water too. So VERY LITTLE of that exhaust heat makes it over to the compressor. Whatever does is insignificant (ie, maybe a couple of degrees increase in air temps).

I also have a '71 charger with a weiand 8-71 blower sticking out the hood, after passes it is still cool enough to touch. So a turbo's intake temp will be much hotter witht the same boost pressure and same aftercooler.

Our S52 Stage3 car pushes 18psi. I have datalogs from the dyno sessions that show with 90 degF ambient temps, the charge temps are ~115 degF in the intake manifold during WOT/full boost. How does that compare with your 8-71 blower's charge temps??

Wrong...The turbo will create more heat alot quicker as full boost will be achieved well before redline.

Well, technically yeah. The turbo will create hotter air charge temps cause it'll be pressurizing the air 5-8psi in the midrange, while the centrifugal is only doing 1-2psi. You got me there....but I'd rather have the added midrange torque that the turbo provides over the centrifugal SC :)

...Let alone the turbo will be much harder on the car all together than a centri SC.

That's the arguement used by vendors who want to push a centrifugal SC over a turbo. I can claim that the centifugal SC puts more wear and tear on an engine than a turbo, since it's constantly being driven by the crankshaft (a turbo draws no additional energy from the engine). And depending on the belt's installation method, may be adding a constant side load to the front of the crank, further increasing the failure rate.

[funkyman]

I thought the turbo took a far more higher toll on the engine without a doubt because of the enormous stress exerted on the engine block,the crank etc because of high boost levels,which brings us to the knocking question.Therefore engine compression must be somehow lowered i guess,to reduce it.The inline 6 cylinder is somewhat limited to a peak compression,but i can see the turbo as the only replacement for displacement on the BMW 6 cylinder.The advantage of the turbo is its immense torque which the supercharger can not even come close to at same boost levels.Hence the new 300hp 335i has some 40lbs more torque than an M3 though its 33hp less,allowing to hit 0-60 at exactly the same time and killing the M3 70-130 in top gear.We`re not concerned with cornering abilities for the time being as it is the least of our interest on a Highway dewel!!!!Heheheh.:excited: :read: :thumbsup:

[crazy1323]

Nick, i dont have an intake charge temps currently. I was mearly stating that after hard pulls, the turbos can glow red but supercharger is still cool to the touch. I know i would not want to touch my turbo after a hard pull which makes me believe that the intake charke is also hotter. Also, what kind of turbo are you running on the stage three with what kind of intercooler, any injection or spray bar? Those temps seem really low considereing only the airflow from a fan on a dyno.

[funkyman]

Mert,Mert,Mert where the heck are you,hurry up geeza we don`t get paid by the hour.:excited: :rofl:

[unvmym3]

Not the first...there is a turbo in Greece that is pushing in the 700whp range and already has posted a video racing an R1 bike...and destroying it..

oc , i just saw that car you speak of in athens last month while i was over there , its actually a 316 shell and they stuffed the s54 in it , witha autronic standalone. with the juice that car is less powerfull then azevedos car .

[unvmym3]

Nick G , good to see you over here shedding your wisdom bro.

[NickG]

Nick, i dont have an intake charge temps currently. I was mearly stating that after hard pulls, the turbos can glow red but supercharger is still cool to the touch. I know i would not want to touch my turbo after a hard pull which makes me believe that the intake charke is also hotter.

You have to realize that it's not the entire turbo that's glowing red. It's ONLY the turbine housing. The compressor housing is made of aluminum and can't get that hot (otherwise it would melt).

Also, what kind of turbo are you running on the stage three with what kind of intercooler, any injection or spray bar? Those temps seem really low considereing only the airflow from a fan on a dyno.

The car in question was running a GT35R turbocharger with a .50 A/R T04E compressor housing. The intercooler was our standard Stage1/2 unit (20x9x3 tube and fin core), with a mid-size fan on the dyno. No type of spray was used on the intercooler during the dyno pulls. Air temp logs done on the street showed similar results.

[NickG]

Nick G , good to see you over here shedding your wisdom bro.

Thank you sir :hi:

[GBX330ci]

Thank you sir :hi:


:werd: Now when you going to do an e46 kit? I've got my car waiting and it can be at George's in a heart beat! :bow:

[NickG]

:werd: Now when you going to do an e46 kit? I've got my car waiting and it can be at George's in a heart beat! :bow:

Your comment has been noted :thumbsup:

[beemerfreak]

where can this vid be found?

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=382989

[funkyman]

DA-Motorsports my ass i say,full of cr............ap and the crap is right here in E46 fanatics.:banghead: :hmm: :rofl: :thumbsup:

[///M3-QTR]

Any updates ?

[///AaronJtun3d]

need dyno vids pronto:tsk:

[iLLM3]

Interested ins eeing where this goes! :craig:

[unvmym3]

Interested ins eeing where this goes! :craig:

ha , now where quick , that for sure ......they need to sh1t or get off the pot.untill we see the car on teh street tearig it up and dyno vids....i will call bs on the progress.

[GodSendsDeath]

Dont worry the vids be up soon, give it 6-12 months il be back. Make sure some one keeps bumping this lol:hi:

[funkyman]

ha , now where quick , that for sure ......they need to sh1t or get off the pot.untill we see the car on teh street tearig it up and dyno vids....i will call bs on the progress.

I`ve frankly given up on these poor sad souls.They are completely full of Shhhhhhhhh and couldn`t turbo charge a mule to save their lives.Sad really sad talking about flippin turbos since 2003,now thats what i call mega bullshittters.Thats enough bull crapp for 3 years from these con artists.:read: :banghead: :hmm: :blah: :excited:

[PYRITE]

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[Lay2Low]

^ haha :rofl:

[clean-m-tech330]

I can't believe this thread has 4 pages and that I've contributed two posts to it- this thread just needs to be left to die then never spoken of again-:idea:

[bagher]

I can't wait for a turbo kit

[funkyman]

:read: :hi: :cry: :idea: I can't wait for a turbo kit

:shhh: :excited: :excited: :excited: :banghead:

[jacques chirac]

who is mert? maybe he works for KGB in order to destroy american bmw community. bagher your front fenders looks wiiiiide in your sig.love your car

[bagher]

thanks buddy

[m28]

That's completely untrue. If both compressor sections have the same efficiency at the same boost level, then both will heat up the air the same. Don't forget that centrifugal superchargers are merely belt-driven turbo compressors.


people are being fed a lot of BS on this forum

[NickG]

people are being fed a lot of BS on this forum

Is your comment direct at me?

[funkyman]

people are being fed a lot of BS on this forum

Not me they can`t fool me Shata.:excited:

[FLVK]

well well...what do we have here?

Lets start a lottery for this new Turbo

a) I don't have an M3 so I won't throw my hat in this "lottery" this time.
b) I have no shop so even if I have an M3, I don't have the skills, time and tools to work on this.
c) I don't have anything to offer but honest opinion so even if I have an M3 and a shop, I am SOL on this lottery.

[jacques chirac]

reward mert dastan $50000 preferably alive

[funkyman]

Scre`em with a Twin screw in the assssssss in Istanbul Turkey.Send Hung`s Turbo in their back sides:excited: :banghead: :read:

[jacques chirac]

mert dastan you have to days to publish a complete file with dyno ,vids & pics other than that i will bl*w up turkish embassy in washington!!!!

[jacques chirac]

two days excuse me

[funkyman]

Mert shove the turbo!!!!:excited:

[jacques chirac]

this is a joke dont call Fbi

[funkyman]

not long now 6 months till the horsepowerfreaks turbo kit

[jacques chirac]

I apologize for all i have said about mert dastan .I am too excited when I hear the word turbo and the word M3 in the same sentence

[DaN_the_MaN]

Where the hell are the dyno sheets?

[imolazhp_ci]

Technik is currently working on that kit- it's a very well designed unit, it's going to be worth the wait! Samir/Zolti + HP freaks = lots of power !! because we all know that turbo is :craig:

yeah... enough power to blow off an intake manifold.....oops. did i type that out loud?

[funkyman]

yeah... enough power to blow off an intake manifold.....oops. did i type that out loud?

The good thing is they won`t rip us off like the other vendors.It will be affordable.Usually turbo parts are cheap,even the best quality materials but its the tuninig thats the problem.

[imolazhp_ci]

The good thing is they won`t rip us off like the other vendors.It will be affordable.Usually turbo parts are cheap,even the best quality materials but its the tuninig thats the problem.

yeah... tuning that's problematic enough to blow off an intake manifold.

[clean-m-tech330]

^

That's why things are still in the testing phase, if it was released and sold to the public that way, then that'd be another issue.

[imolazhp_ci]

^

That's why things are still in the testing phase, if it was released and sold to the public that way, then that'd be another issue.

orrrrrr.......because of lack of knowledge and skill. or because of that. either way.

[funkyman]

Hey Mert! and DA-Motorsports!!Behold!

Then God created the E46 Turbo!!!!
The jokes on you guys.

See link below heheheheheeh.:excited: :excited: :banghead: :argue: :hi: :ben: :loco: :woot: :woot: :woot: :bump: :bump:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481320&page=8

[clean-m-tech330]

^

The funny thing is they hired one of the guys from aem who does the ems tuning several months ago... and the kit is... well.. like atp would say, next month-

[funkyman]

Nice girls.I need to hang around you with you as your older cousin.:excited:

[AlpineM]

:excited: TURBO!!!!:bow::drool: Dibs on the interior if you decide to gut it out. Good job on the car keep up the good work.:thumbsup: