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Sales@ESS
09-23-2006, 02:45 AM
ESS Performance Products USA has completed the final production phase of the new TWIN SCREW supercharger system and is ready to begin the order reservation list exclusively here at E46fanatics.com!

Simply add your name to the list below and we will contact you, in order received, through forum PM or email. The first 20 kits out the door will be pulled from this list, but as further kits are built, we will continue down the list so it is in NOT LIMITED to only 20. If you are interested, put your name on the list. We will not collect any funds until the kits ship. Remember, the initial release is for 3.0L M54 engines on the 330i and Z4 only. Shipping will begin in the coming weeks as the manual and other goodies are completed. ZHP owners, feel free to add yourselves as well!

We gathered the best information from the existing announcement thread and added it here to help answer questions.

The original thread can be found at:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=355037

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RECAP OF SYSTEM INFORMATION FROM THE *LONG* THREAD:

ESS Performance Products USA is proud to announce our TWIN SCREW supercharger system for the M52TU/M54 engines!

After over 3 years of extensive research, development, and tuning, we are releasing the first and only available TWIN SCREW (TS) Supercharger system for the BMW M52TU/M54 engines used in the E46 as well as the E39, E53, E60, E83, and E85 chassis.

Utilizing the latest in positive displacement compressor technology, full boost is achieved before 2,000 RPM and maintained to redline at the highest thermal efficiency possible. Combined with our extensive software tuning, this creates huge torque gains throughout the entire RPM band while maintaining stock drivability, emissions, responsiveness, and smoothness at all speeds and loads.

The systems include an ESS-spec Lysholm Technologies™ self-lubricating 1.6L Twin Screw compressor unit capable of 32+ psi boost and 470+ hp, custom cast alloy intake manifold with optional integrated ultra-efficient 3x500mm Laminova™ core water intercooler system, high performance CNC butterfly bypass valve, larger flow matched Bosch fuel injectors, all necessary installation hardware such as OEM idler pulleys and belt, detailed instructions, and full DME software reprogramming through our USA office. The stock air box and filter are retained as they proved to be the best compromise between high airflow, air filtration efficiency, and water ingestion protection. Most aftermarket cold air intakes are fully compatible.

The first two power stages (6 & 8 psi) of ESS TS kits are designed from the ground up as a Do-It-Yourself install with no grinding, cutting, or otherwise permanent modification necessary while keeping a clean OEM appearance under the hood. These systems are even easier to install than centrifugal installations. From Stage 3 on, engine and exhaust modifications are necessary to take full advantage of the system’s capabilities.

ESS Twin Screw kits will then soon follow for M52/S52 engines used in the Z3 2.8/M-Roadster/M-Coupe, E36 323/328/M3 3.2 and E39 528 based on the same Twin Screw technology.

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Stage 1 is non-intercooled, but is prepped for it. The intake has the tubes for the Laminova cores already, so you slip them in and you have stage 2. Makes upgrading Stage 1 at a later time easy. The same compressor is used up to stage 4, so you can upgrade 1,2,3,4 without ever changing the manifold or compressor.

The installation is incredibly easy. There is no IC tubing or mounting bracket like the ASA, no oil lines, etc. The compressor and intake unit are shipped pre-assembled, so you remove your factory intake, mount the TS, put in injectors, new belt, software and go drive it. Stage 2 will require running the water lines and mounting the marine pump and exchanger up front. Very, very DIY.

Anything that lets the engine breath better, especially on the exhaust side will compliment this system. Headers, cams, etc will still provide similiar gains as the centrifugal kits, but with better results lower in the RPMs.

4k DIP: We remove the DISA valve all together so the 4k dip is gone. BTW, the 4k dip is not specific to ZHP.

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All the way to stage 4, the factory airbox works flawlessly. BMW spends a lot of R&D money on the induction system. It is very good.

Aftermarket CAIs can still be used if desired as the MAF stays in the same location as before install, but we tested over 10 different models and found that they aren't as good all around as the stock unit.

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Cruise, DSC, etc will work fine, they are unaffected by a TS. Gas mileage will depend on how heavy your foot becomes and range/avg MPG is a simple adjustment in the instrument cluster to compensate the signal for the larger injectors.

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Yes, both TS1 and TS2 is compatible with SMG.

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This system is not intended for the new Valvetronic engines.

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A development requirement of our manifold and compressor spec was to control the typically noisy twin screw sound. Normally, they make "popping" or "metallic bubbling" sounds as they release compressed pockets of air into the manifold.

But by us adjusting the compressor exhuast port shape and the internals of our intake manifold, in conjunction with the stock airbox configuration, the best way to describe it is a "low rumble" now. Like having a V8 under the hood. Subtle, but you know it is there when you step on it.

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You actually go all the way to Stage 4 on the same compressor and manifold as Stage 1. The beauty of a properly sized and designed twin screw is no need to change the main hardware of the system itself to move up through the power stages.

Stage 3 will include custom head gasket and studs or optional lower compression pistons. Stage 4 will include PnP, fuel pump, and other goodies. The TS compressor is good to 32psi on the 3.0L, so we have lots of room to work with.

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You will be replacing the existing intake manifold with ours. The manifold is casted from a special alloy that is very strong. Not only does it contain the chambers for the Laminova intermanifold cooling system, but it is the mounting point for the compressor itself. This eliminates a large mounting bracket as seen on centrifugal kits. There is no oil pan tapping, actually no oil supply or drain lines needed at all. The stock airbox is retained as it more than flows enough, thus eliminating any need for running an external air filter.

Stage 2 includes the Laminova cores, end tanks, plumbing, marine pump, and front mount heat exchanger. This does require removing the bumper. We will have Todd (MarvelPhx) post up the DIY as soon as he is finished to give all of you an idea of what the install involves, but it is much less than a similiar centrifugal system.

About the only "other" tools you should have are a good set of Torx sockets/drivers for things like the bumper bolts, E-box, etc. If you work on your car a lot, you probably have a set already or will in the future. BMWs are covered in them.

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We are already in process for both CARB and TÜV approval. They both want production units on hand to test. Once passed, all existing kits will receive the EO/TÜV retroactive to the first unit sold.

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The cost of water-air intermanifold cooling is much higher than a simple air-air core intercooler. There are two main reasons we chose to use the Laminova cores: Ease of install and use. Extremely low pressure loss while incredible cooling ability. We are talking about tenths of a psi loss from compressor outlet to cylinders while 12x better cooling efficiency than air-air. And, it is cooling all the time, even when not moving.

Also, a typical air-air system traps too much intake charge in the tubing and core and defeats the purpose of a positive displacement compressor system. By shortening the tract to the cylinders there is absolutely no lag from throttle response on our TS systems, NONE. You punch it and you are gone.

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We will offer a 248/256/10.8 camshaft set on ALL stages. You can also order the exhaust cam alone if you so choose (ZHPs already have the 248 intake). Prices have not been set at this time, but will be available by TS release.

The more boost you run, the more power the cams will assist to make.

For example, we see:

On Stage TS1: + 15hp
On Stage TS2: + 20-25hp

The highest stages of the TS systems will include these cams as a requirement and create an additional 35-40hp.

Also, we got PM'd asking the price of the upgrade from TS1 to TS2 if a customer wanted to do it at a later time. This TS1 to TS2 upgrade is $2200.

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We did build an S54 TS system and it made incredible numbers, Stage 2 made 415hp+ and 390 torque to the WHEELS. A real monster. However, we will never release any system that does not retain stock or better drivability and the Twin Screw did not agree with the individual throttle bodies for our demands in throttle response and low speed smoothness. We spent a really large amount of time (well over two years) and money (don't ask) on it, but it is a development path that will just not continue. We don't release anything unless it is perfect and it simply wasn't acceptable to our standards. We do apologize, we wanted a "screwed" E46 M3 as much as anyone did.

The good news is we do have something new coming for the E46 M3. Information on this upcoming system will be released in the future.

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The lifespan of your stock clutch will depend on your driving habits. However, an upgraded clutch is always a benefit when you are making more power than stock, with any type of supercharging or power increase.

The DMEs are sent in for programming how ever you choose to ship it. We return them via UPS Ground for free. If you want it back via a different method, include a pre-paid completed waybill with your choice of shipping and carrier.

Gas mileage again depends on driving habits. Under most circumstances you are not driving in boost and your mileage will not change much at all. However, what is the point if you have all that GO under your foot. Customers will see a decrease that is directly dependant to how hard you drive it. You are using more fuel to make more power, that's just how it works.

We tested 10 of the most common brands of "cold air" induction systems and found that the stock airbox AND filter actually flowed better, trapped more contaminants, utilized the coolest possible air, and provided the best water ingestion protection of any of the aftermarket types. It also makes the install that much easier. However, for those customers that have intakes already that do not relocate the HFM, the TS will work with them as well.

The standard software is written for 91 octane. We will likely offer other versions for locations which can use higher octane fuels such as 93 or 94 normally.

Installation time will differ based on your experience, but someone with basic mechanical skills should have no problem installing even the Stage 2 in about 6 hours or less.

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You can use any fuel at or above 91 and the system will run great. The standard software is written for US 91 and a modified version for US 93/94 as well will be available at no charge if ordered with the TS system. If you have access to and plan to run a higher octane all the time such as 98+, we can do custom tuning for your application at an added cost.

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THESE ARE PRELIMINARY 2.5L M52TU NUMBERS AND ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME...

325 TS1 @ 6.5psi - 270HP / 250LB-FT
325 TS2 @ 8psi - 300HP / 270LB-FT
325 TS2+ @ 8.5psi - 315HP / 280LB-FT

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The first release phase will be 20 TS1/TS2 systems available for the 2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45) engines, both in manual and automatic transmissions.

E46 MS45.1 ZHP, X3, X5, E39 5 series and E60 5 series M54 kits will be available after the initial production run along with versions for the 2.5L M54 (325/525/Z4 2.5, etc).

M52TUB25 and M52TUB28 (323/328) systems will be available after October 2006.

Stage TS1 runs at 6.5 psi:
Recommended for Steptronic owners
Can be easily upgraded to TS2 by simply adding the Laminova System later
Rated @ 320 flywheel hp and 300ft/lb Torque
Install in 5-6 Hours
$5895

Stage TS2 runs at 8 psi:
Includes Laminova water-air intermanifold cooling system
Rated @ 350 flywheel hp and 320ft/lb Torque
Install in 8-10 Hours
$7895

Optional Bonus Stage for our customers with existing exhaust headers:
Stage TS2+ runs at 8.5psi.
Rated @ 370 flywheel hp and 330ft/lb Torque
$7995

Coming soon for TRACK USE ONLY as they include exhaust headers:
Stage 3 is estimated at 370 REAR WHEEL hp and will be available in the coming months.
Stage 4 and Stage 4EE (Extreme Edition) systms are in development.

Add our new FI Camshafts + software for even more power at any stage!

All stages, from TS1 all the way to TS4, utilize the same compressor and manifold assembly throughout. There is never any need to change any major components of the kit itself as you upgrade through the stages.

SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY OFFER!
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We are so confident that the ESS Twin Screw Supercharger kits are of the highest quality and utmost drivability, reliability, and comfort that we are going to offer every one of the lucky first 20 owners an introductory price!

TS1 - Intro price $5495!
TS2 - Intro price $7495!
TS2+ - Intro price $7595!

Future versions such as the M52TU will include introductory pricing as well.

Sales@ESS
09-23-2006, 02:45 AM
To be added to the reservation list, simply respond to this thread and add your information. We will contact each of you in order as the kits are ready. There is no need to set deposits. Welcome to the ESS Twin Screw Owners Club!

SCREENNAME, YEAR, MODEL, TRANSMISSION
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

and so on!

redronin
09-23-2006, 03:23 AM
dayum i cant wait to see feedback. :bow: love TS systems after reading of some bangin e30s

bimmerbum46
09-23-2006, 04:02 AM
i want, but im broke :cry:

Dirtboy
09-23-2006, 05:36 AM
:hi: I'm in...

1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please :D



Just another question- What is the price of the upgrade to stage3? I know it includes the custom headgasket and studs, but does it also include new software and increased compressor PSI? Also, do you have the price for the cams yet?

spartanwarrior
09-23-2006, 05:54 AM
1, spartanwarrior, 2, 2002, 3, E46 330i, 4, 5 speed manual, 6, TS 2+ 8.5psi. Thank you ESS is the best. If i missed anything else let me know. Once again thanks.

OCswedishM3
09-23-2006, 06:04 AM
Extremely low pressure loss while incredible cooling ability. We are talking about tenths of a psi loss from compressor outlet to cylinders while 12x better cooling efficiency than air-air

The bold is 100% accurate... While the ladder is kind of a far stretch...12x?
Noone the less great product, great pictures...congrats

maxnathan
09-23-2006, 06:37 AM
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....

BTW are these kits being shipped from Norway, ESS headquarters?



Cheers

max

gwatson
09-23-2006, 07:29 AM
How much for a 98 Octane mapping? I guess there will be a slight power increase.

Also, if I was to sell the car in two years without the TS, can you remap the ECu back to standard? It there a cost associated with tis?

G

Zig
09-23-2006, 08:17 AM
ESS Performance Products USA has completed Stage TS2 runs at 8 psi:
Includes Laminova water-air intermanifold cooling system
Rated @ 350 flywheel hp and 320ft/lb Torque
Install in 8-10 Hours


What will be the shipping weight of the Stage TS2 package? Will it be shipped out of your USA office? If it will be, will it be possible to hand carry it outside USA when we visit your USA office?

Dirtboy
09-23-2006, 08:52 AM
Cleaned it up alittle... Just cut and paste this list and add to it.:)

1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4.
5.

MachRc
09-23-2006, 10:11 AM
OMG !! the first 20 are going to be so lucky!:excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:

cncmastr
09-23-2006, 11:32 AM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)

GodSendsDeath
09-23-2006, 12:35 PM
:excited: its here yes yes yes.....:cry: :bawling: i just got rear ended..... too bad you guys couldn't make it work out for E46 M3, iam in the market for a new car and i think it might be just the e46 m3 or a 330ci TS, but I dont think i can skip on getting that M i wanted it for sooo long. Good luck guys, the system looks awsome.

KOTHB
09-23-2006, 12:49 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2 :mischief:

rwalker
09-23-2006, 01:37 PM
This kit sounds like a winner, especially if CARB certification becomes a reality, but it's a lot of cash to plunk down on something you've never driven.

Dinan tours the country giving demo ride/drives in their supercharged M3s. I'll bet I'm not the only one who'd like a test drive before pulling the trigger.

Whaddya say?

-Rob

2000_328CI
09-23-2006, 01:46 PM
darn if only i (A) had a 330 and (B) could pay 8k for this kit :cry:

ADA
09-23-2006, 01:49 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1

krom24
09-23-2006, 01:59 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1

2000_328CI
09-23-2006, 02:00 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
this is only for the 330

f_t_s
09-23-2006, 02:50 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2

JC7727
09-23-2006, 03:53 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1

Sales@ESS
09-23-2006, 05:47 PM
Let me see if I can answer some questions:

Even if you are not the owner of a 330i/Z4, put your name on the list, we will use it to contact you as kits become available for your car whether it is a 530, 325, X5 3.0, etc. Remember, the core of these kits will fit ANY 3.0L M54. It is the ancillary part, brackets, hoses that change and are quick to design.

Yes, it will fit a Xi.

The initial kits will ship from our Norway headquarters. Subsequent runs will be available at both Norway and US locations. DME programming can be done at both right now. Each system comes with a free gift as well!

VAT will be charged for UK purchases as required.

We have software programs for 91/93 in the US and 95/98 in Europe.

chuckl
09-23-2006, 09:17 PM
I want one 2003 330zhp
Thanks chuck

greg330xi
09-23-2006, 10:17 PM
I have a 2001 330 xi 5- speed manual and i have been waiting for a TS since 2001
so add me to the list

another company who will go unnamed said they were working on back then

zulu4
09-23-2006, 10:18 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1

blownfanatic
09-23-2006, 10:48 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1

Dirtboy
09-23-2006, 11:19 PM
Let me see if I can answer some questions:

Even if you are not the owner of a 330i/Z4, put your name on the list, we will use it to contact you as kits become available for your car whether it is a 530, 325, X5 3.0, etc. Remember, the core of these kits will fit ANY 3.0L M54. It is the ancillary part, brackets, hoses that change and are quick to design.

Yes, it will fit a Xi.

The initial kits will ship from our Norway headquarters. Subsequent runs will be available at both Norway and US locations. DME programming can be done at both right now. Each system comes with a free gift as well!

VAT will be charged for UK purchases as required.

We have software programs for 91/93 in the US and 95/98 in Europe.

What is the price of the upgrade to stage3? I know it includes the custom headgasket and studs, but does it also include new software and increased compressor PSI?
Also, do you have the price for the cams yet?

stylinexpat
09-24-2006, 12:24 AM
I'm intrested:) What would have to be done on my car with what's on it now and what would the gains be on with what I have on there now? I am looking for more power and Torque then what my car is producing now with the last setup:) Ifthe numbers are much better then the current setup then I'm on the list as well.

///ACS330Ci
09-24-2006, 01:18 AM
:hi: I'm in...

1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please :D


:wow:

Colorado
09-24-2006, 01:31 AM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1

Ausfahrt
09-24-2006, 02:06 AM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1

Keem
09-24-2006, 03:24 AM
What is the hp numbers looking like for a 323 system? (specify crank or wheel please as well)

kosaka yuuta
09-24-2006, 06:24 PM
To be added to the reservation list, simply respond to this thread and add your information. We will contact each of you in order as the kits are ready. There is no need to set deposits. Welcome to the ESS Twin Screw Owners Club!

SCREENNAME, YEAR, MODEL, TRANSMISSION

I am kosaka yuuta.
2003 BMW Z4 3.0 SMG
I want TS1 kit for Z4.

kosaka yuuta
09-24-2006, 06:31 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13.kosakayuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1

Passive
09-24-2006, 07:17 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13. kosaka yuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1
14. Passive, 2003 Z4 3.0, 6 speed manual, TS2

greg330xi
09-24-2006, 10:53 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13. kosaka yuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1
14. Passive, 2003 Z4 3.0, 6 speed manual, TS2
15. greg330xi 2001 330xi standard 5 speed TS1

NYSpeedRacer
09-24-2006, 11:44 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13. kosaka yuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1
14. Passive, 2003 Z4 3.0, 6 speed manual, TS2
15. greg330xi 2001 330xi standard 5 speed TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly 2001 330I 5spd, TS2+

stylinexpat
09-25-2006, 01:54 AM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13. kosaka yuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1
14. Passive, 2003 Z4 3.0, 6 speed manual, TS2
15. greg330xi 2001 330xi standard 5 speed TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly 2001 330I 5spd, TS2+
17. Stylinexpat is waiting for a reply:idea:

clean-m-tech330
09-25-2006, 02:19 AM
where'd ess go

clean-m-tech330
09-25-2006, 02:20 AM
ahhh, double posted-

kosaka yuuta
09-25-2006, 04:35 AM
We tested 10 of the most common brands of "cold air" induction systems and found that the stock airbox AND filter actually flowed better, trapped more contaminants, utilized the coolest possible air, and provided the best water ingestion protection of any of the aftermarket types. It also makes the install that much easier. However, for those customers that have intakes already that do not relocate the HFM, the TS will work with them as well.
>

I have question.
ESS recommend genuine air clean box and air filter!
Is genuine air filter better than K&N filter etc?
Genuine air filter is very thick !
Are all TS kits (TS1 2 3 4) same result?

hoppa79
09-25-2006, 05:57 AM
ESS recommend genuine air clean box and air filter! - Yes
Is genuine air filter better than K&N filter etc? - Yes
Genuine air filter is very thick ! - Yes
Are all TS kits (TS1 2 3 4) same result? - Yes, you'll get the same result as in result of kick ass power.

Stage TS1 runs at 6.5 psi:
Rated @ 320 flywheel hp and 300ft/lb Torque

Stage TS2 runs at 8 psi:
Rated @ 350 flywheel hp and 320ft/lb Torque

Stage TS2+ runs at 8.5psi.
Rated @ 370 flywheel hp and 330ft/lb Torque


quick, someone loan me $6K

silver330ciman
09-25-2006, 07:22 AM
I'm in!
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13. kosaka yuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1
14. Passive, 2003 Z4 3.0, 6 speed manual, TS2
15. greg330xi 2001 330xi standard 5 speed TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly 2001 330I 5spd, TS2+
17. Stylinexpat is waiting for a reply
18. silver330ciman 2001 330ci 5 sp manual - TS1

silver330ciman
09-25-2006, 07:27 AM
Quick question to ESS or whoever knows the answer. Would you recommend a non-stock clutch for the TS1 kit? I'm sure this was covered in some thread, but I see a clutch kit on the ESS website... I'm already in for the TS1...CANT wait!:excited:

silver330ciman
09-25-2006, 07:31 AM
Never mind ^^^ about the clutch. It's amazing what a little reading will do to clarify things. Haha. Can't wait to try this with an IS350 in my neighborhood who kicked my a$$ a couple of times...

GodSendsDeath
09-25-2006, 10:22 AM
God I love those is350's i wish they had some one like ess or aa to tune for them, i get one they look hot.

gwatson
09-25-2006, 03:22 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13. kosaka yuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1
14. Passive, 2003 Z4 3.0, 6 speed manual, TS2
15. greg330xi 2001 330xi standard 5 speed TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly 2001 330I 5spd, TS2+
17. Stylinexpat is waiting for a reply
18. silver330ciman 2001 330ci 5 sp manual - TS1
19. GWatson 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now, TS2 one day)

etwd
09-25-2006, 03:48 PM
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13. kosaka yuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1
14. Passive, 2003 Z4 3.0, 6 speed manual, TS2
15. greg330xi 2001 330xi standard 5 speed TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly 2001 330I 5spd, TS2+
17. Stylinexpat is waiting for a reply
18. silver330ciman 2001 330ci 5 sp manual - TS1
19. GWatson 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd 2003 330ci 5-speed TS2

etwd
09-25-2006, 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwatson
1. Dirtboy, 2002, 330Ci, 5-sp manual- TS2+ please
2. spartanwarrior, 2002, 330i, 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2 please....
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1 (Stage 1)
5. KOTHB-- 2003 330i, ZHP, 6-spd manual -- TS2
5. ADA- 2000 323i, Steptronic- TS1
6. krom24--2002 330i, Steptronic- TS1
7. f_t_s 2004, 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
8. JC7727 -- 2001 330i, Steptronic - TS1
9. Zulu4 -- 2005 2.5L Z4, manual - TS1
10. Blownfanatic --- 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
11. Colorado -- 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
12. Ausfahrt--2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic-TS1
13. kosaka yuuta---2003 Z4 3.0SMG -TS1
14. Passive, 2003 Z4 3.0, 6 speed manual, TS2
15. greg330xi 2001 330xi standard 5 speed TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly 2001 330I 5spd, TS2+
17. Stylinexpat is waiting for a reply
18. silver330ciman 2001 330ci 5 sp manual - TS1
19. GWatson 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd 2003 330ci 5-spped - TS2

spartanwarrior
09-25-2006, 03:54 PM
Well there goes the first 20..:thumbsup:

cncmastr
09-25-2006, 04:03 PM
Also, is it possible that we can get a heads-up with the installation manual? I would like to see what I am getting myself into before hand.

How long do you guys think before we can expect these things to ship out? Nov?

zulu4
09-25-2006, 04:26 PM
Also, is it possible that we can get a heads-up with the installation manual? I would like to see what I am getting myself into before hand.

+1

and in the meantime, can ESS entertain us by posting some dyno charts and videos? would like to listen to this V8 hum that the twinscrew is supposed to have.

Sales@ESS
09-25-2006, 04:38 PM
What is the price of the upgrade to stage3? I know it includes the custom headgasket and studs, but does it also include new software and increased compressor PSI?
Also, do you have the price for the cams yet?

Stage 3 pricing will be available soon. Yes, new software and more boost (10-11psi). Cams will run 1000-1100 USD.

I'm intrested:) What would have to be done on my car with what's on it now and what would the gains be on with what I have on there now? I am looking for more power and Torque then what my car is producing now with the last setup:) Ifthe numbers are much better then the current setup then I'm on the list as well.

Your entire setup would have to be removed and replaced with TS.

Well there goes the first 20..:thumbsup:

2 things about the list. Kits after the first 20 will ship based on this list so it doesn't have to stop at 20. Add your name if you are interested. Second thing, ZHP TS is now officially available, so you ZHP owners are good to go!

Also, is it possible that we can get a heads-up with the installation manual? I would like to see what I am getting myself into before hand.

How long do you guys think before we can expect these things to ship out? Nov?

We will get a copy of the manual and post it here soon. Kits will begin shipping in October.

+1

and in the meantime, can ESS entertain us by posting some dyno charts and videos? would like to listen to this V8 hum that the twinscrew is supposed to have.

On the way!

loosejuice
09-25-2006, 04:43 PM
Just out of curiosity, any plans for CARB? Us poor californians have this one hurdle to worry about as well...

I've been searching high and low for a FI kit for the good ol' ZHP, and I believe the ESS kits are the best. I've sent an email to your local office in Cali but no replies. Either case, with this twin screw system, it sounds very promising!

Sales@ESS
09-25-2006, 04:58 PM
Just out of curiosity, any plans for CARB? Us poor californians have this one hurdle to worry about as well...

I've been searching high and low for a FI kit for the good ol' ZHP, and I believe the ESS kits are the best. I've sent an email to your local office in Cali but no replies. Either case, with this twin screw system, it sounds very promising!

The systems have already been submitted for CARB and TUV approval. They are awaiting the actual installed production units for final inspection. Should occur very soon, but the process is well underway.

Alex
09-25-2006, 05:15 PM
Well there goes the first 20..:thumbsup:
Not really, someone should clean up the list as there a couple people there that shouldn't be on it.
:read:
Remember, the initial release is for 3.0L M54 engines on the 330i and Z4 only.

loosejuice
09-25-2006, 05:23 PM
The systems have already been submitted for CARB and TUV approval. They are awaiting the actual installed production units for final inspection. Should occur very soon, but the process is well underway.

That is extremely good news to hear. IT's actually te only reason I've wiated this long to pull the trigger. I'm also assuming that it's retroactive in teh sense that for those of us that get the kit now, and install it, when the CARB cert actually goes through, we'll get a sticker to place on our engine bay correct?

I just wanted to get this straigth and pardon my being a neophyte to this. I'm comparing the kit on your website, that uses the ASA TM1-12 supercharger which was the one I was thinking of getting fo myself as a Xmas gift, to the twin-screw and the primary difference is that the twin screw system achieves full boost at 2k RMP correct? Thanks! :bow:

Sales@ESS
09-25-2006, 05:35 PM
Not really, someone should clean up the list as there a couple people there that shouldn't be on it.
:read:

The first batch is 3.0L M54 (330, ZHP, Z4 3.0) systems, but this list is open to ALL eligible systems: 330, 328, 325, 323, X5 3.0, 530 M54, Z4 2.5 and 3.0, even the M50, M52, S52 customers etc. As kits are finished and ready to ship, we will continue to use this list to prioritize ordering and contact customers in this order. If you want to be on the list, please go right ahead:

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Colorado - 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
13. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
14. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
15. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
16. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
17. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
18. Stylinexpat
19. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
20. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
21. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2

Sales@ESS
09-25-2006, 05:43 PM
That is extremely good news to hear. IT's actually te only reason I've wiated this long to pull the trigger. I'm also assuming that it's retroactive in teh sense that for those of us that get the kit now, and install it, when the CARB cert actually goes through, we'll get a sticker to place on our engine bay correct?

I just wanted to get this straigth and pardon my being a neophyte to this. I'm comparing the kit on your website, that uses the ASA TM1-12 supercharger which was the one I was thinking of getting fo myself as a Xmas gift, to the twin-screw and the primary difference is that the twin screw system achieves full boost at 2k RMP correct? Thanks! :bow:

It is retroactive and all existing customers will get a CARB EO sticker for their engine bay. The big difference between TS and TX2 is that the TS does achieve boost much quicker and therefore produces ALOT more torque throughout the power band. The TS is our premier FI system.

The TS will replace the TX systems in our lineup. Also, we have a new basic CF centrifugal kit for budget-minded consumer that is performing incredibly well for a very, very good price and will be available soon.

etwd
09-25-2006, 05:59 PM
The first batch is 3.0L M54 (330, ZHP, Z4 3.0) systems, but this list is open to ALL eligible systems: 330, 328, 325, 323, X5 3.0, 530 M54, Z4 2.5 and 3.0, even the M50, M52, S52 customers etc. As kits are finished and ready to ship, we will continue to use this list to prioritize ordering and contact customers in this order. If you want to be on the list, please go right ahead:

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Colorado - 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
13. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
14. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
15. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
16. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
17. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
18. Stylinexpat
19. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
20. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
21. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2



FIRST OFF............I am #20, NOT 21, as GWATSON has changed the list!!
You GWatson are #21 and do not get the discounted price. NICE TRY THOUGH...........
(SEE POST #50)

etwd
09-25-2006, 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sales@ESS
The first batch is 3.0L M54 (330, ZHP, Z4 3.0) systems, but this list is open to ALL eligible systems: 330, 328, 325, 323, X5 3.0, 530 M54, Z4 2.5 and 3.0, even the M50, M52, S52 customers etc. As kits are finished and ready to ship, we will continue to use this list to prioritize ordering and contact customers in this order. If you want to be on the list, please go right ahead:

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Colorado - 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
13. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
14. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
15. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
16. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
17. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
18. Stylinexpat
19. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)

spartanwarrior
09-25-2006, 06:02 PM
We will get a copy of the manual and post it here soon. Kits will begin shipping in October.
[/QUOTE]So really kits will start shipping like in the middle of next month.

Sales@ESS
09-25-2006, 06:03 PM
FIRST OFF............I am #20, NOT 21, as GWATSON has changed the list!!
You GWatson are #21 and do not get the discounted price. NICE TRY THOUGH...........

No need to argue, the discounted price is not just on the first 20 kits, it is until further notice :thumbsup:

Sales@ESS
09-25-2006, 06:05 PM
So really kits will start shipping like in the middle of next month.

Yes, October.

BayerischeMW
09-25-2006, 06:07 PM
just for the record, the inital list had two (2) number fives (#5) listed, so gwatson is number 20 :)

Sales@ESS
09-25-2006, 06:12 PM
just for the record, the inital list had two (2) number fives (#5) listed, so gwatson is number 20 :)

^^ is correct. I fixed the two #5s when I rewrote the list.

etwd
09-25-2006, 06:18 PM
I stand corrected. Sorry gwatson! Oh well, as stated by Sales@ESS:

"No need to argue, the discounted price is not just on the first 20 kits, it is until further notice :thumbsup:"

BayerischeMW
09-25-2006, 06:21 PM
Asbjoern, i'm still very interested in your offer. keep me posted :thumbup:

clean-m-tech330
09-25-2006, 06:32 PM
So ESS has the FI software for the ZHP's ?????

ATLZHP6M
09-25-2006, 09:10 PM
I'm assuming you are going to do a first 20 deal for the ZHP release, if so, I'm in the list too! :excited:

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Colorado - 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
13. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
14. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
15. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
16. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
17. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
18. Stylinexpat
19. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
20. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
21. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2[/QUOTE]
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330i ZHP 6spd manual / headers / 93 octane - TS2.5

The first batch is 3.0L M54 (330, ZHP, Z4 3.0) systems, but this list is open to ALL eligible systems: 330, 328, 325, 323, X5 3.0, 530 M54, Z4 2.5 and 3.0, even the M50, M52, S52 customers etc. As kits are finished and ready to ship, we will continue to use this list to prioritize ordering and contact customers in this order. If you want to be on the list, please go right ahead:

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Colorado - 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
13. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
14. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
15. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
16. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
17. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
18. Stylinexpat
19. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
20. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
21. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2

stylinexpat
09-25-2006, 10:30 PM
Can I keep the cams that are on there, headers along with the exhaust and just replace the Supercharger kit or setup? If so, what would the gains be compared to what I have now?

kosaka yuuta
09-25-2006, 11:21 PM
I have question.
ESS recommend genuine air clean box and air filter!
Is genuine air filter better than K&N filter etc?
Genuine air filter is very thick !
Are all TS kits (TS1 2 3 4) same result?

Colorado
09-25-2006, 11:21 PM
No need to argue, the discounted price is not just on the first 20 kits, it is until further notice :thumbsup:

So basically, there really is no discount. The lower price was the real price all along.

.

TxZHP04
09-25-2006, 11:24 PM
Can I keep the cams that are on there, headers along with the exhaust and just replace the Supercharger kit or setup?
Your cams, headers, and exhaust should all be fine. You should only need to replace the supercharger (the entire kit).

If so, what would the gains be compared to what I have now?
Read post #1 in this thread. You're talking about the TS2+ setup, with cams.

TxZHP04
09-25-2006, 11:40 PM
I have question.
ESS recommend genuine air clean box and air filter!

Yes they did.


Is genuine air filter better than K&N filter etc?
What's your definition of better?

Better filtration?
No chance of contaminating the MAF sensor?
No chance of hydrolocking your engine?
- or -
Questionably better flow?
Noisier?

ESS has rated the kits for hp & torque using the oem air box and filter. You might possibly achieve a few more hp with a different intake but would it really be worth sacrificing the oem reliability?


Are all TS kits (TS1 2 3 4) same result? ESS has stated that the oem intake works flawlessly with all 4 stages.

schutney
09-26-2006, 12:25 AM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Colorado - 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
13. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
14. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
15. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
16. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
17. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
18. Stylinexpat
19. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
20. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
21. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
22. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1

gwatson
09-26-2006, 03:03 AM
Eh guys.... what's going on? The posting before mine is by silver330ciman, he's number 18... therefore I am 19th!! Yes I edited my posting but not the list... You can see by the posting times.


16. PhillyFreeFly 2001 330I 5spd, TS2+
17. Stylinexpat is waiting for a reply
18. silver330ciman 2001 330ci 5 sp manual - TS1

I am then 19th...... Please sort this out ESS!!

gwatson
09-26-2006, 03:05 AM
ooops just read this "No need to argue, the discounted price is not just on the first 20 kits, it is until further notice"

Sales@ESS
09-26-2006, 04:30 AM
So basically, there really is no discount. The lower price was the real price all along.

.

Almost sounds like you are complaining that we are extending the intro price.

Can I keep the cams that are on there, headers along with the exhaust and just replace the Supercharger kit or setup? If so, what would the gains be compared to what I have now?

Your SC kit will have to come off, the cams and headers can stay and be part of the TS2+ setup w/ cams. Gains have been posted in the threads.

So ESS has the FI software for the ZHP's ?????

We have had FI software for ZHPs for over three years on the TX2, we just had to make the necessary changes to the TS.

Dirtboy
09-26-2006, 04:48 AM
Stage 3 pricing will be available soon. Yes, new software and more boost (10-11psi). Cams will run 1000-1100 USD.


Thanks!:thumbup: Can you please contact me through e-mail when the units are ready to ship? I have limited access to E46fanatics.com right now, but I check e-mail everyday.

Will stage 3 be available by the time stage 2+ ships? I may just get that plus the cams at the same time... Thanks again!

Colorado
09-26-2006, 10:35 AM
"Originally Posted by Colorado
So basically, there really is no discount. The lower price was the real price all along.

Almost sounds like you are complaining that we are extending the intro price."

Yeah, I'm saying the price is no bargain. Seems like having 20-some sales right at the start should be worth something to you guys. Plus having the board promote your product everyday as members install it and report back should be worth something. This should be treated like a group buy and have a real discount compared with everyone else.

According to the book "Tipping Point" you need us early adopters to create word of mouth for your product. If you don't think that is important, imagine all of us withholding our orders until you make us a better offer. Just a thought. (Afterthought - we are taking some risk by getting a completely new product. Later buyers will not have that uncertainty.)

cncmastr
09-26-2006, 11:40 AM
:werd:

greg330xi
09-26-2006, 12:51 PM
What more than likely will happen is there will be some growing pains associated with this, and if that is not the case their will at least be uncertainty.
As early adopters and members of this forum we have a lot more power than we realize. We can help by all agreeing to contribute to the instructions with our own experience, etc. making it easier on future customers. Manufacturers can help us by providing enough of a discount to help us with the risk we take and the feedback and services we promise to provide in return.

long story short ESS needs to go below $5000 for the early adopters

Sales@ESS
09-26-2006, 01:01 PM
The reason we extended the intro pricing was due to the availability of ZHP TS in the mix. There will still be 20 kits in the initial run, however, intro pricing will only cover the first 30 THIRTY. Then pricing will return to normal retail.

cncmastr
09-26-2006, 01:06 PM
I would be more than happy to offer feedback on the installation materials, provide a product reveiw and make recommendations to fellow fanatics if the price was a little better. I am sure I am not the only one who would be on-board with this idea.

I am an IT Engineer by trade and part of my experience has been product and sytem documentation. I was also a video game reviewer for a few months back in the day. With that said, I can surely make a postive contribution to ESS.

hulahoops
09-26-2006, 01:20 PM
ESS, if you limit this to the first 30 buyers, chances are, sales will whither off after all the slots are filled and then there'll be bickering about who's #30 and who's actually #31 etc...

perhaps a mutually beneficial arrangement to both ESS and fanatics would be an increment of discounts depending on the number of people purchasing? perhaps an additional $250 off if we hit 25 buyers and another $250 off on top of that if we hit 30 on the list? this will provide incentive for buyers to join the list and help further promote your kit wouldn't it?

having read the "silly questions" thread, i'm sure you have a little more wriggle room with respect to pricing.... as an example, the 3.0L Z4 kit needs to use some of the 2.5L Z4 parts, which you include in the kit, to replace the sound generator... so the production cost of the 3.0L kit should be greater than that for the 2.5L, but yet both kits are similarly priced.

ATLZHP6M
09-26-2006, 01:34 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Colorado - 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
13. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
14. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
15. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
16. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
17. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
18. Stylinexpat
19. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
20. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
21. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
22. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1

Schutney, you took me off the list!!! :confused:

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Colorado - 2003 330cic Steptronic - TS1
13. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
14. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
15. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
16. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
17. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
18. Stylinexpat
19. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
20. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
21. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
22. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1[/QUOTE]
23. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5

BayerischeMW
09-26-2006, 01:43 PM
posts #84 and #87 - do you usually do this when you're shopping? if a product is at a discounted price, do you still complain that "it should be more", "consumers have powers, more discount or we'll take action" and #87 produces a "threat" about bad sales if the discount isn't bigger (or longer in this case).

i'm a consumer too, i like cheap - cheap as hell actually, but the methods used here aren't the way to go..

hulahoops
09-26-2006, 01:51 PM
it was a suggestion, not a complaint and certainly not a threat...

my point was: if there's no more discounts, than there's less incentive to join the initial list isn't it? that being the case, wouldn't folks prefer to sit back and wait for reviews before committing? hence my point about initial sales whithering.

please correct me if i'm wrong.

and as for my point about the bickering, we already have an example involving buyers #20 and #21. if i were ESS, i would rather have people focus on my kit in this thread than quibble over who posted first and who dropped whomever from the list, intentionally or otherwise.

sheesh. i'm sure ESS can speak for themselves. we don't need trumpets

Sales@ESS
09-26-2006, 01:54 PM
Being that this is basically a group buy we are offering to E46fanatics members first in the world, we are standing by our pricing structure. We are also tracking the order list seperately by post order to keep arguements over positions at bay and contact customers accordingly. We know that the members here would want to have first crack at Twin Screws, so we chose here to begin the release before global marketing hits publication.

The cost involved in producing these kits is incredible and there is not nearly as much markup as you may think. A business model that encompasses all variations of the systems and their costs is what results in the pricing you see here and simply can't be beat for what you get (see pic). Our TS has been developed and tested for over three years and we look forward to seeing the feedback, providing the highest level of support, and helping you acheive the smoothest, most beautiful, most powerful Twin Screwed BMWs in the world.

M3_POWER
09-26-2006, 01:56 PM
ESS congrats on the kit. I wish you would've fix that idling problem with the M3 system.:bawling:

etwd
09-26-2006, 03:01 PM
The reason we extended the intro pricing was due to the availability of ZHP TS in the mix. There will still be 20 kits in the initial run, however, intro pricing will only cover the first 30 THIRTY. Then pricing will return to normal retail.

Curiosity........what is the "normal" retail pricing?

TxZHP04
09-26-2006, 03:05 PM
Curiosity........what is the "normal" retail pricing?

Read down near the end of the first post in this thread....

etwd
09-26-2006, 03:38 PM
Read down near the end of the first post in this thread....

Got it.....thanx

spartanwarrior
09-26-2006, 04:20 PM
ESS, keep up the good work you all have worked very hard to put out a fantastic system, and the price is perfect as well, just one question the 330 8.5psi TS just out of curiosity how does it compare to the E46 supercharged M3 i mean i know the M3 would win because it will have like 100hp more, just wondering because you've probably already tried it..

Colorado
09-26-2006, 10:44 PM
Curiosity........what is the "normal" retail pricing?

Normal pricing is what ever they say it is. As in "You are now getting a $10,000 discount off our normal price." After all they haven't sold a single unit at the normal price. Another way of pricing is to find a similar product. Eurosport offers a twin screw for the E36 for $5366. Add something to that for ours being an E46 but subtract because the Eurosport product has had real world experience for 2-3 years. Seems to me ESS's discount price is pretty much a full market price.

I still think that if they want us to be beta testers and talkup their product, they should make us a better offer. Where else are they going to find a forum as active as this one. They could go to BoostJunky - they get one post a week. Or wait 6 months to try and get in a car magazine. We're worth it. ESS take $10 thou out of the advertising budget and quit trying to stiff some of your best customers.

pei330ci
09-26-2006, 11:01 PM
Normal pricing is what ever they say it is. As in "You are now getting a $10,000 discount off our normal price." After all they haven't sold a single unit at the normal price. Another way of pricing is to find a similar product. Eurosport offers a twin screw for the E36 for $5366. Add something to that for ours being an E46 but subtract because the Eurosport product has had real world experience for 2-3 years. Seems to me ESS's discount price is pretty much a full market price.

I still think that if they want us to be beta testers and talkup their product, they should make us a better offer. Where else are they going to find a forum as active as this one. They could go to BoostJunky - they get one post a week. Or wait 6 months to try and get in a car magazine. We're worth it. ESS take $10 thou out of the advertising budget and quit trying to stiff some of your best customers.

It seems that ESS were their own Beta testers. They are offering a finished product, the demand is obviously there, and the price is reasonable.

If they offered the Stage 1 for $4000, I think your response would be the same...

Be happy man! :D

TxZHP04
09-26-2006, 11:20 PM
Normal pricing is what ever they say it is. As in "You are now getting a $10,000 discount off our normal price." After all they haven't sold a single unit at the normal price. Another way of pricing is to find a similar product. Eurosport offers a twin screw for the E36 for $5366. Add something to that for ours being an E46 but subtract because the Eurosport product has had real world experience for 2-3 years. Seems to me ESS's discount price is pretty much a full market price.

I still think that if they want us to be beta testers and talkup their product, they should make us a better offer. Where else are they going to find a forum as active as this one. They could go to BoostJunky - they get one post a week. Or wait 6 months to try and get in a car magazine. We're worth it. ESS take $10 thou out of the advertising budget and quit trying to stiff some of your best customers.

Intro price on the ESS e46 TS1 is $5495. Normal price is $5895.

The comparable Eurosport e36 non-intercooled (budget) kit is normally $6166. During the month of July, Europsort had a sale and you could get the kit for $5366. That sale is now over.

Eurosport had a slightly better sale price than the ESS intro price, to the tune of $129 for their most basic kits. Big deal. Their "normal" price is higher than ESS. Again, so what. The prices aren't all that far apart. And if you're going to start spouting facts, try to get them right next time.... :rolleyes:

ESS has MarvelPhx to "beta test" and "talk up" their product. They don't need 20 more testers (which would be a sizeable chunk of the total e46 TS market), they need 20 customers. If you don't like their price, don't buy their product. Let's see if you can do better elsewhere. Or if you're such a great businessman, start your own company. In the mean time, how about you not pollute this thread by continuing to whine about their pricing.

Sales@ESS
09-27-2006, 12:07 AM
Intro price on the ESS e46 TS1 is $5495. Normal price is $5895.

The comparable Eurosport e36 non-intercooled (budget) kit is normally $6166. During the month of July, Europsort had a sale and you could get the kit for $5366. That sale is now over.

Eurosport had a slightly better sale price than the ESS intro price, to the tune of $129 for their most basic kits. Big deal. Their "normal" price is higher than ESS. Again, so what. The prices aren't all that far apart. And if you're going to start spouting facts, try to get them right next time.... :rolleyes:

ESS has MarvelPhx to "beta test" and "talk up" their product. They don't need 20 more testers (which would be a sizeable chunk of the total e46 TS market), they need 20 customers. If you don't like their price, don't buy their product. Let's see if you can do better elsewhere. Or if you're such a great businessman, start your own company. In the mean time, how about you not pollute this thread by continuing to whine about their pricing.

We actually have 4 other initial kit feedback recipients besides MarvelPhx all around the world. This first run of 20 kits is not a "beta" or test run. These kits have been tested harder than you will ever get to drive your car in the US. They are production ready and it just happened to be that 20 is the initial intermanifold run we chose. The prices aren't going to change and comparing this kit to the ES kit is unreliable, they are completely different systems. We appreciate that everyone wants a better deal, but it is just not possible right now.

Colorado
09-27-2006, 01:34 AM
It seems that ESS were their own Beta testers. They are offering a finished product, the demand is obviously there, and the price is reasonable.

If they offered the Stage 1 for $4000, I think your response would be the same...

Be happy man! :D

ESS would have to be the biggest geniuses in the world to introduce a new product and not have initial quality/use problems. Microsoft has crashes, Ford and even Toyota have recalls and Sony has batteries catching fire all over the place and little ol' ESS is not going to have real product problems. Give me a break.
The demand is there - what, based on a no deposit signup list. Sure - sign up, whats to lose. I guarantee that if you made everyone pay today, one third of them wouldn't have the money. Maybe by October, maybe. Marketing studies have shown over and over that with nothing to lose a buyer will tell you anything. Why do you think polls are wrong so often.
Would I take $4000 without complaining - you bet. (But there again I can tell you anything because I have nothing to lose.) Put the deal on paper and see if I shut up. I laid out my price reasoning and all anyone has to offer is they think $5495 is a good price. OK. But what if we all got together and called their bluff. Would you like to save several hundred dollars? Would you take the money even if you had $5495?
Afterthought: What if I did shut up and then word got out that ESS cut me a special deal, would you still pay $5495 because you liked that price. No, you drive the best bargain you can based on the market power you have, and the knowledge of an inside deal would be more power. Anything less is stupid. All I'm saying is that we have market power. And they've given us a take it or leave it deal - at least for now. An obvious answer on their part by the way. But no telling what could happen if we we're patient/stubborn. You know they're watching this thread to see if this idea will take. Do you think they have a forum over the hill with 30 buyers? They have been working this forum for months and they need us and they're close to messing this deal up to make just a little more money. The marketing guy that screws up this introduction will... Can you say "Would you like frys with that?"

konfoo
09-27-2006, 01:51 AM
I'm with Colorado on this. I am in the engineering business myself (satellite/digital television). The early adopters always bear the engineering costs. Anyone who believes this is not true is seriously fooling themselves. This is a niche market and with 20+ people on the list (non-deposit names on a list mean nothing however), there is definitely the opportunity to bring the price down. If ESS were not pricing the 'introductory' price at a price point where they still make profit to cover the initial engineering costs then they would have been out of business long ago. And remember engineering costs are far greater than the subsequent support and sales costs of a cornered market -- the profit margin for this type of product should increase over time.

hoppa79
09-27-2006, 02:37 AM
According to the book "Tipping Point"

great book, excellent read :thumbsup:

ADA
09-27-2006, 02:57 AM
ESS would have to be the biggest geniuses in the world to introduce a new product and not have initial quality/use problems.


The demand is there - what, based on a no deposit signup list. Sure - sign up, whats to lose.

I guarantee that if you made everyone pay today, one third of them wouldn't have the money.

All I'm saying is that we have market power. And they've given us a take it or leave it deal - at least for now.



ACtually, as much as I am excited about the TS, I have to agree with Colorado.

I also think the list is growing this fast is because there is no risk from the buyer (ie...non refundable desposit). THe list would grow much slower or lower if there was a deposit required.

I think ESS marketing department should do the following:

limit first 10 buyers to the TS1 - Intro price $5xxx (but lower than $5495) Paid if full immediately. Non-refundable.
limit first 10 buyers to the TS2 - Intro price $$7xxx (but lower than 7495 Paid in full immediately. Non-refundable.

next 10 buyers will get the TS1 for the regular intial offer of $5495. Paid in full immediately. non-refundable
next 10 buyers will get the TS2 for the regular intial offer of $7495. Paid in full immediately. non-refundable

All other buyers will buy the regular TS kit for the normal price of $5895

ESS will required a user review from each buyer once the kit is installed.

What will the consumers get out of the deal?

PRO for the consumer: Great discount over regular price
CON for the consumer: Non refundable payment paid in full. No intial review. Basically, they will be the intial tester on the TS kit (i know ..I know...beta testing was already completed by ESS)


What will ESS get out of this deal?

PRO for ESS: Guarantee payment showing dedicated buyers who is willing to buy the TS kit. Buyer will rave about the kits and provide more endorsement and advertisement for the TS kit.
CON for ESS. decrease in their marginal profit because of the intial offer being lower than the regular price

konfoo
09-27-2006, 11:14 AM
Good going. You actually sacrificed more than you attempted to bargain for.

hulahoops
09-27-2006, 11:46 AM
ADA's proposal is a nice idea as well.

bottomline for me is this: as one of the first ones to get the kit, i want to know that the risk i'm taking by doing this will be balanced by a discount that will not be available to others in future group buys.

i'd be pretty miffed if future buyers got to pay the same price as i did as an early adopter, but yet did not have to deal with the uncertainty that i did nor did they have to deal with the initial teething issues and lack of user reviews, DIY instructions and threads etc.

konfoo
09-27-2006, 12:02 PM
A good proposal giving up the right to any refund for what, a hundred bucks in discount? What happens if there turns out to be a manufacturing defect one year down the line? You could potentially eat the cost or the full cost of any changes or modifications.

EIAlfonso
09-27-2006, 02:02 PM
Do you have any video/sound clips comparing a before and after of the vehicle

Maybe one with the hood up and one with it closed.


Also how will the stage1 handle ambient air temparatures of over 100 degrees? Will there be a large loss of power if we were to run the car at those temparatures for any extended period of time?

How will stage 2 handle the same temperatures, is it less prone to losing power due to the heat?

ADA
09-27-2006, 02:05 PM
Hey ESS......how higher is the TS compare to the stock intake manifold?

I am asking because I have a strut bar and I would like to know.

Sales@ESS
09-27-2006, 02:17 PM
Do you have any video/sound clips comparing a before and after of the vehicle

Maybe one with the hood up and one with it closed.


Also how will the stage1 handle ambient air temparatures of over 100 degrees? Will there be a large loss of power if we were to run the car at those temparatures for any extended period of time?

How will stage 2 handle the same temperatures, is it less prone to losing power due to the heat?

We are in the process of arranging the videos for everyone. The systems are tested in extreme temperature differences to make sure they are reliable and provide the best cooling possible. If you are referring to heat soak, even a NA engine will heat soak over time in extreme temperatures, but we maximize cooling efficiency by over-cooling the intake charge to keep these systems running at their best.

Hey ESS......how higher is the TS compare to the stock intake manifold?

I am asking because I have a strut bar and I would like to know.

Not any higher at all, it takes up the exact space that the original intake manifold did.

Colorado
09-27-2006, 02:39 PM
I'm not asking to beat up on ESS. But we're half of this buyer - seller equation and should discuss among ourselves just what dollar amount we place on the risk of a new product. (And I'm not much help in placing a value on that.) I do know that for all of their testing, most of those months were on a unit they were not confident enough of to release. And then there were the glitches and fine tuning of the software. So they have tested a finish product for a much, much shorter time than the total time of the venture. Testing of the final manufactured units (as opposed to the prototypes) is probably only a matter of 6 months or so, if that. As far as their costs go, that is their risk of doing business. They decided to gamble X amount hoping to end up with a product no one else has. They are out this money wheather they sell one unit or thousands. It is not our concern. We should be most worried about the stability of the product. Will it malfunction upon install (unlikely), will it have so many problems it will be pulled out and sit in the garage after 1 year (possible), will it have problems in the first 3 months that make the car unusable for days at a time (I need my car every day)? How many days should I figure in for an Enterprise Rent-a-Yugo?

MarvelPhx
09-27-2006, 03:05 PM
But yet you are beating up on ESS. Let me ask you this. Companies come out with new products everyday. Do you go asking SONY to discount their newest Plasma HD TV because you are the first buyer? Do you think they test their products for *even* close to 6 months before releasing it to the public. I bet you would be surprised. And the prices for these TS systems is incredibly close to a similiar centri kit, but yet you think they should be cheaper.

There is a reason that companies spend so much time on development and even then, sure some fail, but you know what... that's what warranties are for and even the TS will come with one.

If you do not believe in a product, simply don't buy it. How about you just wait until you feel the product is "worth it".

Here, I will even help you out with a new order list:

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1[/quote]
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5

zulu4
09-27-2006, 03:05 PM
The systems are tested in extreme temperature differences to make sure they are reliable and provide the best cooling possible. If you are referring to heat soak, even a NA engine will heat soak over time in extreme temperatures, but we maximize cooling efficiency by over-cooling the intake charge to keep these systems running at their best.


ESS, i assume this refers only to TS2 and above?

where does this leave people with TS1 then?

i have a 2.5L M54 operating in ambient temperatures of over 30 degrees celsius on a daily basis. what kind of figures can i realistically expect from the TS1?

thanks

EIAlfonso
09-27-2006, 04:15 PM
We are in the process of arranging the videos for everyone. The systems are tested in extreme temperature differences to make sure they are reliable and provide the best cooling possible. If you are referring to heat soak, even a NA engine will heat soak over time in extreme temperatures, but we maximize cooling efficiency by over-cooling the intake charge to keep these systems running at their best.

Thx for the response and insight but you didn't really answer the question, or maybe you did and I'm not getting it, how much of the power will be lost. You said you tested this products for many months so I'm sure you have the data. I know it's impossible to be exact but with all your data points in testing you should have an reasonable answer.

Also, will the stage II reduce the amount (as a %) of the lost?

One of the things I'm trying to figure is, besides the extra hp, are there any other benefits to the stage II and more importantly is it worth the extra 2K.

kosaka yuuta
09-27-2006, 06:49 PM
I agree NarvelPhx opinion.
We first 30 price off member may be trouble!

but I want ESS to release TS kit more speedy!
I (we)have waited for long and long time!

spartanwarrior
09-27-2006, 07:24 PM
I'm not asking to beat up on ESS. But we're half of this buyer - seller equation and should discuss among ourselves just what dollar amount we place on the risk of a new product. (And I'm not much help in placing a value on that.) I do know that for all of their testing, most of those months were on a unit they were not confident enough of to release. And then there were the glitches and fine tuning of the software. So they have tested a finish product for a much, much shorter time than the total time of the venture. Testing of the final manufactured units (as opposed to the prototypes) is probably only a matter of 6 months or so, if that. As far as their costs go, that is their risk of doing business. They decided to gamble X amount hoping to end up with a product no one else has. They are out this money wheather they sell one unit or thousands. It is not our concern. We should be most worried about the stability of the product. Will it malfunction upon install (unlikely), will it have so many problems it will be pulled out and sit in the garage after 1 year (possible), will it have problems in the first 3 months that make the car unusable for days at a time (I need my car every day)? How many days should I figure in for an Enterprise Rent-a-Yugo?Let me also say that when i had my ESS vortech unit on that was my everyday car, pretty much drove the car insainly, races you name it, it was hitting red line, but you know what i never lost a drop of oil that my friend is called reliable. So i don't know what to make with all these posts of (how come we can't have it cheaper) the prices were set in the other thread no one complained there, i don't know maybe the people complaining are with another company or what i like to call it you cheap screw.

faded67
09-27-2006, 10:11 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1[/quote]
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)

hulahoops
09-27-2006, 11:51 PM
MarvelPhx,

so how much did you pay for your kit then?

SHV
09-28-2006, 02:52 AM
But yet you are beating up on ESS. Let me ask you this. Companies come out with new products everyday. Do you go asking SONY to discount their newest Plasma HD TV because you are the first buyer? Do you think they test their products for *even* close to 6 months before releasing it to the public. I bet you would be surprised. And the prices for these TS systems is incredibly close to a similiar centri kit, but yet you think they should be cheaper.

There is a reason that companies spend so much time on development and even then, sure some fail, but you know what... that's what warranties are for and even the TS will come with one.

If you do not believe in a product, simply don't buy it. How about you just wait until you feel the product is "worth it".



Agreed.

ESS offer a discount exclusive to e46fanatics members, and all they get is complaining.

Maybe they shouldn't have made this offer, but just started with the standard price from the beginning... :rolleyes:

BMW_DK
09-28-2006, 08:37 AM
Maybe ESS should charge a higher price for you early adopters, since you get the chance to say "I have one of the first 30 kits ever sold" or something like that. Early adopters of IT products are paying a higher price than those buying some months later.

Please stop whining.

ADA
09-28-2006, 08:49 AM
MarvelPhx,

so how much did you pay for your kit then?




:nono: Shhhh...............MarvelPhx is not at liberity to discuss that matter.
However, the word on the stree is that MarvelPhx and ESS are in bed together. j/k

Tim30250
09-28-2006, 09:28 AM
Maybe ESS should charge a higher price for you early adopters, since you get the chance to say "I have one of the first 30 kits ever sold" or something like that. Early adopters of IT products are paying a higher price than those buying some months later.

Please stop whining.

Seriously, I cannot understand why anyone thinks they have the right to petition for a lower price. Anything that's new usually tends to be MORE expensive at first. A new computer, MP3 player, LCD TV, DVR, or especially a new car model will invariably sell for a lot more (even OVER sticker price) when they are first released than they do down the road. With that comes two things... you get to be the first to enjoy (and brag about if that's your thing) the new product, but you are also likely to have more 'new product' issues as a result. ESS will provide good support and warranty so you won't have to worry about the latter so much in this case.

Please people, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. ESS has set a competitive price for the TS kit, and is even knocking a few hundred off that for you folks that are going in early. Be grateful for what they're offering, or just simply don't buy it if you don't feel it's worth the money. The complaining just makes you sound like a spoiled infant.

Maestroxl
09-28-2006, 11:19 AM
Is this offer also for european members?
And what are the prices in euro's.
Can the software be programmed for 98 octane, and what are the numbers then?

MXL

cncmastr
09-28-2006, 11:36 AM
Is this offer also for european members?
And what are the prices in euro's.
Can the software be programmed for 98 octane, and what are the numbers then?

MXL


All of these questions have been answered in the thread.

There is a member from the Netherlands who is ordering it. They can write custom fuel mappings for higher grades.

Maestroxl
09-28-2006, 11:41 AM
Maestroxl 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1

cncmastr
09-28-2006, 12:53 PM
Is it really that hard? (That's what she said...)

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/autolink.php?id=43&script=showthread&forumid=41), 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/autolink.php?id=43&script=showthread&forumid=41) 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1[/quote]
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/autolink.php?id=43&script=showthread&forumid=41) 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
24. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1

...your welcome.

Sales@ESS
09-28-2006, 02:23 PM
Thx for the response and insight but you didn't really answer the question, or maybe you did and I'm not getting it, how much of the power will be lost. You said you tested this products for many months so I'm sure you have the data. I know it's impossible to be exact but with all your data points in testing you should have an reasonable answer.

Also, will the stage II reduce the amount (as a %) of the lost?

One of the things I'm trying to figure is, besides the extra hp, are there any other benefits to the stage II and more importantly is it worth the extra 2K.

I am sorry if I misunderstood. All engines suffer heat soak, FI engines more so. I didn't mean to be vague.

To be more specific, we tested and designed all TS stages for various climate and barometric conditions. We noticed very little maximum thermal loading loss in high ambient conditions on the intermanifold cooled systems (2 and up) such as single digit % differences. With the Stage 1, being non-cooled, we had more work to do: In extreme high temperature conditions, by controlling spark and fueling along with limiting the boost to 6.5psi, we are able to keep the maximum thermal loading power loss to ~10%. We were more than pleased with the results after running the systems at full loads for extended periods during the testing. Again, these are the maximum thermal losses in 35-45C (95-115F) ambient conditions and for the majority of our customers, thermal loading loss will be negligible.

2K323CI
09-28-2006, 02:43 PM
ESS would have to be the biggest geniuses in the world to introduce a new product and not have initial quality/use problems. Microsoft has crashes, Ford and even Toyota have recalls and Sony has batteries catching fire all over the place and little ol' ESS is not going to have real product problems. Give me a break.
The demand is there - what, based on a no deposit signup list. Sure - sign up, whats to lose. I guarantee that if you made everyone pay today, one third of them wouldn't have the money. Maybe by October, maybe. Marketing studies have shown over and over that with nothing to lose a buyer will tell you anything. Why do you think polls are wrong so often.
Would I take $4000 without complaining - you bet. (But there again I can tell you anything because I have nothing to lose.) Put the deal on paper and see if I shut up. I laid out my price reasoning and all anyone has to offer is they think $5495 is a good price. OK. But what if we all got together and called their bluff. Would you like to save several hundred dollars? Would you take the money even if you had $5495?
Afterthought: What if I did shut up and then word got out that ESS cut me a special deal, would you still pay $5495 because you liked that price. No, you drive the best bargain you can based on the market power you have, and the knowledge of an inside deal would be more power. Anything less is stupid. All I'm saying is that we have market power. And they've given us a take it or leave it deal - at least for now. An obvious answer on their part by the way. But no telling what could happen if we we're patient/stubborn. You know they're watching this thread to see if this idea will take. Do you think they have a forum over the hill with 30 buyers? They have been working this forum for months and they need us and they're close to messing this deal up to make just a little more money. The marketing guy that screws up this introduction will... Can you say "Would you like frys with that?"

:loco: Man your wasting space , I mean REALLY your wasting precious space on this thread and in this world .
Why dont you do us all a favor and go away and come back in a year or maybe two and then post your nonsense , until then save up some money . :thumbsup:

EIAlfonso
09-28-2006, 03:59 PM
I ... Again, these are the maximum thermal losses in 35-45C (95-115F) ambient conditions and for the majority of our customers, thermal loading loss will be negligible.


Thanks for the reply, that did answer my questions.

Asbjorn@ESS
09-28-2006, 04:10 PM
Just a few more pics of the machinery that makes good a whole lot better:hi:

DAI Msports
09-28-2006, 04:33 PM
Here are some larger shots .
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/7366/bilde203md9.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1066/bilde4rl5.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9787/bilde206ft6.jpg

KOTHB
09-28-2006, 05:03 PM
:excited:

BayerischeMW
09-28-2006, 05:20 PM
looks great Asbjoern! :thumbup:

cncmastr
09-28-2006, 05:20 PM
Looks great guys!

Do we (read: yous) have an ETA on some videos of this bad mamba jamba?

Rider_Ryuuga_13
09-28-2006, 06:51 PM
Awesome pics! Looking forward to seeing some videos :)

ADA
09-29-2006, 03:20 AM
Hey ESS.....how much is it for a TS1 with the cooler?

I know you will say "look at the price for TS2." I don't want the TS2 because I have a steptronic and I want the PSI of the TS1. I just want the cooler.

gwatson
09-29-2006, 07:31 AM
ADA,

I am guessing it will be the same as the TS2, same components, just a different engine map....

G

Zig
09-29-2006, 09:26 AM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/autolink.php?id=43&script=showthread&forumid=41), 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/autolink.php?id=43&script=showthread&forumid=41) 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1[/quote]
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/autolink.php?id=43&script=showthread&forumid=41) 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
24. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
25. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2

TxZHP04
09-29-2006, 10:26 AM
ADA,

I am guessing it will be the same as the TS2, same components, just a different engine map....

G

and different pulley.

Tim30250
09-29-2006, 11:11 AM
Hey ESS.....how much is it for a TS1 with the cooler?

I know you will say "look at the price for TS2." I don't want the TS2 because I have a steptronic and I want the PSI of the TS1. I just want the cooler.

That question was answered in the ESS TS information thread. I believe their response was that the cooler constituted the vast majority of the difference in the price from the TS1 to the TS2. The different software and pulley in the TS2 aren't any more expensive than those items from the TS1, they're just...well, different. So basically, in your case, you would probably have to order the TS2 with a larger pulley and TS1 software (if ESS allows this.) Of course, they have supposedly configured the TS1 to run safely and reliably without the cooler, and if you trust their R&D (which I do) you can save your money and just go with the TS1.

fcotanis
09-29-2006, 12:36 PM
That question was answered in the ESS TS information thread. I believe their response was that the cooler constituted the vast majority of the difference in the price from the TS1 to the TS2. The different software and pulley in the TS2 aren't any more expensive than those items from the TS1, they're just...well, different. So basically, in your case, you would probably have to order the TS2 with a larger pulley and TS1 software (if ESS allows this.) Of course, they have supposedly configured the TS1 to run safely and reliably without the cooler, and if you trust their R&D (which I do) you can save your money and just go with the TS1.

He does trust their R&D but he would like to maintain the almost nil power loss that the intercooling would allow while using TS Stage1.

Beautiful looking product ESS!! - any chance you guys might also do something about the fuel consumption that the dashboard indicator will show to compensate for accuracy?
Thanks,
Filip

TxZHP04
09-29-2006, 01:39 PM
any chance you guys might also do something about the fuel consumption that the dashboard indicator will show to compensate for accuracy?

I had asked about this way back in the original thread. They replied that they would/could provide instructions on how to correct this. It's supposed to be really easy to do. Hopefully these instructions will be a standard part of the installation manual.

spartanwarrior
09-29-2006, 02:05 PM
One question, i might be going back to Washington State in the summer to live again and was wondering i don't want to sell my car and want to ship it in the States, what needs to be done to the car over there as far as U.S specs or do they just need to change the speedo gauges from kilometers to mph. What i'm trying to say, is a bmw in Europe made the same in the states. Because in 1984 my dad sent a mercedes to Seattle and they needed to change bumpers doors and a bunch of other things, i think it was a 1976 benze though.

Sales@ESS
09-29-2006, 02:18 PM
He does trust their R&D but he would like to maintain the almost nil power loss that the intercooling would allow while using TS Stage1.

Beautiful looking product ESS!! - any chance you guys might also do something about the fuel consumption that the dashboard indicator will show to compensate for accuracy?
Thanks,
Filip

Yes, you can order the components of the TS2 and run the TS1 boost pressure for use on a Step let's say. The prices are the same as you are correct, it is a pulley and software change.

The mileage indicator can be adjusted and we will let you know how to change it to make it read correctly.

One question, i might be going back to Washington State in the summer to live again and was wondering i don't want to sell my car and want to ship it in the States, what needs to be done to the car over there as far as U.S specs or do they just need to change the speedo gauges from kilometers to mph. What i'm trying to say, is a bmw in Europe made the same in the states. Because in 1984 my dad sent a mercedes to Seattle and they needed to change bumpers doors and a bunch of other things, i think it was a 1976 benze though.

While this is far outside the scope of the TS, I will try to help.

If you want to import a Euro-spec car into the US that is publically available here, it needs to pass through a RI (registered importer) first. They will make sure it conforms to all US FMVSS, NHTSA, and DOT regulations which at the minimum are usually headlamp, sidemarkers, taillamps, speedometer, and possibly even tires. You will need a Letter of Conformity from BMW NA (you can request it by VIN through Customer Service phone #) that tells the RI what the exact differences are between Euro and US spec to allow them to update it. It is not a cheap endeavor, but can be done.

fcotanis
09-29-2006, 02:39 PM
I had asked about this way back in the original thread. They replied that they would/could provide instructions on how to correct this. It's supposed to be really easy to do. Hopefully these instructions will be a standard part of the installation manual.


I appreciate the info - obviously I missed that.
This to me is the last step and - as ridiculous as it may sound - the most important one because finally everything will function like it was ment to. If my car will maintain stock like from every aspect - and that to me is represented by drivability and maintenance - I might pull the trigger one more time. The belt used with this system - is it a contitech belt (BMW OEM brand)?

Another concern I have is - the maifold bolts to the head will be the ones holding the belt driven charger plus the watter cooling that will be inserted in the intake if I understand correctly. Is weight and vibration from driving the charger via a belt taken into consideration from a material strangth of the fastners point of view - I'm thinking a support bracket would put my mind to rest if nothing else. But what do I know? You guys probably over-calculated that by 30% and I am just slumped in my armchair picking through your design ...

I'm comming from: I've played with my car a lot and with everything I have upgraded I have found one or more downgrade(s). I am tired of "upgrading with downgrades." So please forgive my being so picky ...

spartanwarrior
09-29-2006, 04:40 PM
While this is far outside the scope of the TS, I will try to help.

If you want to import a Euro-spec car into the US that is publically available here, it needs to pass through a RI (registered importer) first. They will make sure it conforms to all US FMVSS, NHTSA, and DOT regulations which at the minimum are usually headlamp, sidemarkers, taillamps, speedometer, and possibly even tires. You will need a Letter of Conformity from BMW NA (you can request it by VIN through Customer Service phone #) that tells the RI what the exact differences are between Euro and US spec to allow them to update it. It is not a cheap endeavor, but can be done.Well if i do leave this summer i'll just put my car in the garage and drive it every summer when we come back for vacation.

Sales@ESS
09-29-2006, 04:50 PM
I appreciate the info - obviously I missed that.
This to me is the last step and - as ridiculous as it may sound - the most important one because finally everything will function like it was ment to. If my car will maintain stock like from every aspect - and that to me is represented by drivability and maintenance - I might pull the trigger one more time. The belt used with this system - is it a contitech belt (BMW OEM brand)?

Another concern I have is - the maifold bolts to the head will be the ones holding the belt driven charger plus the watter cooling that will be inserted in the intake if I understand correctly. Is weight and vibration from driving the charger via a belt taken into consideration from a material strangth of the fastners point of view - I'm thinking a support bracket would put my mind to rest if nothing else. But what do I know? You guys probably over-calculated that by 30% and I am just slumped in my armchair picking through your design ...

I'm comming from: I've played with my car a lot and with everything I have upgraded I have found one or more downgrade(s). I am tired of "upgrading with downgrades." So please forgive my being so picky ...

Yes, the belts are ContiTech.

The torsional/compression/tension loading on the intermanifold-head connection was measured and tested rigourously and passed with flying colors even to Stage 4 without any additional supports. Do remember, this intermanifold is not nearly as heavy as it appears as it is a high-stregth dual-layer aluminium alloy. We did develop a bracket early on that links the intermanifold to the previous lower mounting point of the OEM manifold, but it not necessary as it supports no weight or torsional loading. We still include the piece in the kits regardless, however, it is optional to install this piece as installing it will lengthen the install time.

cncmastr
09-30-2006, 12:43 PM
You guys really did your homework on this ****! Good job!

Sales@ESS
09-30-2006, 02:56 PM
You guys really did your homework on this ****! Good job!

Thank you. That's why it takes so long to develop and test these systems. You are looking at the result of over three years of hard work.

JohnnyGraphic
09-30-2006, 03:02 PM
Hi ESS-

Wonderful to see your system is here! I have a few questions.

1) California residents-Do we need to pay sales tax?
2) CARB Certification-I've heard conflicting stories about Carb certification vs. passing emmissions tests. Even though there is a CARB sticker, will the unit still pass the visual inspection? I don't know a whole lot about this process so please be patient. Also, other posters-please do not suggest that I 'pay' for my emmissions test (You know what I mean!).

Thanks a ton!

Johnny

Sales@ESS
09-30-2006, 03:14 PM
Hi ESS-

Wonderful to see your system is here! I have a few questions.

1) California residents-Do we need to pay sales tax?
2) CARB Certification-I've heard conflicting stories about Carb certification vs. passing emmissions tests. Even though there is a CARB sticker, will the unit still pass the visual inspection? I don't know a whole lot about this process so please be patient. Also, other posters-please do not suggest that I 'pay' for my emmissions test (You know what I mean!).


1) Ah, the benefit of being Norwegian-based. Until the US is fully stocked, kits will be purchased from ESS Performance Products A/S in Norway. No sales tax, same as out-of-state online purchase.

2) CARB certification means that the modification makes equal or less emissions than the original part and that all emissions control-related equipment is in place and functioning as designed. You will still have to pass visual test such as the existance of cats, fuel filler pipe restriction, etc.

JohnnyGraphic
09-30-2006, 03:51 PM
1) Ah, the benefit of being Norwegian-based. Until the US is fully stocked, kits will be purchased from ESS Performance Products A/S in Norway. No sales tax, same as out-of-state online purchase.

2) CARB certification means that the modification makes equal or less emissions than the original part and that all emissions control-related equipment is in place and functioning as designed. You will still have to pass visual test such as the existance of cats, fuel filler pipe restriction, etc.


Thanks! Great to hear!

Re: visual inspection, if nothing else has been done to the car, I should be able to pass visual correct? (Again, please forgive my ignorance in this as I have very little experience in doing any mods to any car).

Thanks again!

Johnny

konfoo
09-30-2006, 04:21 PM
You need a CARB Exempt with an EO # affixed to the installed modification to pass.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/amquery.php

I hope ESS actually comes through with CARB instead of some *cough* other manufacturers that have been feeding everyone a line of bs for years on how their certification is 'pending'.

JohnnyGraphic
09-30-2006, 04:42 PM
You need a CARB Exempt with an EO # affixed to the installed modification to pass.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/amquery.php

I hope ESS actually comes through with CARB instead of some *cough* other manufacturers that have been feeding everyone a line of bs for years on how their certification is 'pending'.


Thanks Konfoo!

That was the info I was looking for on the Calif website, but couldn't find.

So, just to clarify, the Carb certification is the same as or encompasses the exemption?

Yeah, I was advised against doing this type of mod to my car for that same reason. However, as you say, once ESS can come thru with this we're good to go!

ESS-Any ETA on Carb certification?

konfoo
09-30-2006, 05:07 PM
When you pass the California ARB test you are issued a (EO#) exemption number, and this is provided on a heatproof sticker that must be affixed to the certified component in order to pass. The visual inspection involves checking that the component has not been modified and that the EO sticker matches the component. If necessary the inspector will verify EO against the database in the link I posted above. This is all TDBOMK (to the best of my knowledge).

JohnnyGraphic
09-30-2006, 05:13 PM
When you pass the California ARB test you are issued a (EO#) exemption number, and this is provided on a heatproof sticker that must be affixed to the certified component in order to pass. The visual inspection involves checking that the component has not been modified and that the EO sticker matches the component. If necessary the inspector will verify EO against the database in the link I posted above. This is all TDBOMK (to the best of my knowledge).


Thanks dude!

loknaster
10-02-2006, 11:56 AM
Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual

TS2 please

loknaster
10-02-2006, 12:23 PM
sorry if this was stated earlier, but im wondering if this comes with the ESS 2yr unlimited mileage warranty?

Maestroxl
10-02-2006, 01:05 PM
Guess it's my turn now ;)

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1[/quote]
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
24. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
25. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
26. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2

Your welcome

Turboo
10-02-2006, 02:03 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
24. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
25. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
26. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
27. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1

Thanks.. keep me posted.

JohnnyGraphic
10-02-2006, 02:19 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
24. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
25. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
26. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
27. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
28. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2

ADA
10-03-2006, 08:12 AM
ESS,

Can you post a FAQ on yout TS systems. I have so many questions to ask but I feel bad about asking them because I am afraid it was already answered before.

FAQ will help out a lot of people.

For example, for the stage 1, are we able to use our stock injectors or will the injector be "bigger."

Tim30250
10-03-2006, 09:22 AM
ESS,

Can you post a FAQ on yout TS systems. I have so many questions to ask but I feel bad about asking them because I am afraid it was already answered before.

FAQ will help out a lot of people.

For example, for the stage 1, are we able to use our stock injectors or will the injector be "bigger."

Bigger, but included. Look at the very first post from ESS in the information thread about their TS kit, and that question is answered for you. I quote...

The systems include an ESS-spec Lysholm Technologies™ self-lubricating 1.6L Twin Screw compressor unit capable of 18+ psi boost and 470+ hp, custom cast alloy intake manifold with optional integrated ultra-efficient Laminova™ core water intercooler system, high performance CNC butterfly bypass valve, larger flow matched Bosch fuel injectors, all necessary installation hardware, detailed instructions, and full DME software reprogramming through our USA office. The stock air box and filter are retained as they proved to be the best compromise between high airflow, air filtration efficiency, and water ingestion protection. Most aftermarket cold air intakes are fully compatible.

That same thread contains answers to 99% of the questions you could think to ask. Just not in a super easy FAQ format. It's all there though, just gotta look and, dare I say, maybe even *search* a bit.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=355037

ttran
10-03-2006, 07:50 PM
ESS,

Can you post a FAQ on yout TS systems. I have so many questions to ask but I feel bad about asking them because I am afraid it was already answered before.

FAQ will help out a lot of people.

For example, for the stage 1, are we able to use our stock injectors or will the injector be "bigger."

try reading the first page of this thread

fashionman0228
10-03-2006, 09:51 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/), 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/) 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/) 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
24. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
25. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
26. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
27. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
28. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/) 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2
29.Fashionman0228 ("02" 330ci 5-speed) TS2+

ADA
10-04-2006, 02:35 AM
try reading the first page of this thread

thanks viet cong

silver330ciman
10-04-2006, 04:46 AM
thanks viet cong

^uh...hope you guys know each other well:tsk: no fighting now:eeps:

2K323CI
10-04-2006, 03:34 PM
^uh...hope you guys know each other well:tsk: no fighting now:eeps:


:str8pimpi your such a pimp.

cncmastr
10-04-2006, 03:36 PM
I guess any day know we're going to be facing a deluge of information and content regarding the TS. :confused:

ttran
10-04-2006, 09:43 PM
^uh...hope you guys know each other well:tsk: no fighting now:eeps:

i don't know him, but he doesn't bother me. i don't need to waste my time replying to his immature, ignorant statements. back on topic...

M3LTDOWN
10-05-2006, 12:20 AM
i don't know him, but he doesn't bother me. i don't need to waste my time replying to his immature, ignorant statements. back on topic...

Don't worry, he's retarded.

BDeppe1316
10-05-2006, 12:44 AM
I want this system but i have an smg tranny. What did ess do to fix the problems the guys were having before with the smg tranny

jersey
10-05-2006, 10:24 AM
I want this system but i have an smg tranny. What did ess do to fix the problems the guys were having before with the smg tranny

:stupid: :hi:

windblow
10-05-2006, 01:14 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
24. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
25. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
26. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
27. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
28. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2
29.Fashionman0228 ("02" 330ci 5-speed) TS2+
30. Windblow - 2002 330cic Steptronic - TS1

cncmastr
10-05-2006, 01:41 PM
What problems were there?

:stupid: :hi:

Sales@ESS
10-05-2006, 08:16 PM
Video anyone?

This is a 330i revving ESS Stage TS2. Not a long vid, but shows boost reaction speed and oh yes, listen to that engine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHi-bNbcs8

rollotono
10-05-2006, 08:36 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
6. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
7. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
8. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
9. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
10. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
11. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
12. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
13. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
14. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
15. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
16. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
17. Stylinexpat
18. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
19. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
20. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
21. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
22. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
23. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
24. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
25. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
26. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
27. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
28. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2
29.Fashionman0228 ("02" 330ci 5-speed) TS2+
30. Windblow - 2002 330cic Steptronic - TS1
31. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5-Speed - TS2

russ330
10-05-2006, 09:26 PM
Video anyone?

This is a 330i revving ESS Stage TS2. Not a long vid, but shows boost reaction speed and oh yes, listen to that engine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHi-bNbcs8


Good Lord put some gas in that car, the thing's running off fumes. :lmao:

BTW - I'm totally jealous of how quickly the boost builds up; practically instantaneous. :drool:

ttran
10-05-2006, 10:34 PM
Video anyone?

This is a 330i revving ESS Stage TS2. Not a long vid, but shows boost reaction speed and oh yes, listen to that engine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHi-bNbcs8

i've got goosebumps. :)

bimmerZ5
10-06-2006, 12:47 AM
will this TS kit also work for a 2001 Z3 3.0i M54B30 w/ MS43?

Dirtboy
10-06-2006, 12:59 AM
Video anyone?

This is a 330i revving ESS Stage TS2. Not a long vid, but shows boost reaction speed and oh yes, listen to that engine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHi-bNbcs8


:banghead: d@mn, they block youtube here (I'm on desert vacation)... can you e-mail that vid clip to me please? :D

Maestroxl
10-06-2006, 01:23 AM
Now if that doesn't put a smile on on's face :)

Sales@ESS
10-06-2006, 01:45 AM
will this TS kit also work for a 2001 Z3 3.0i M54B30 w/ MS43?

Yes.

bimmerZ5
10-06-2006, 02:37 AM
Yes.
thanks for the reply. this is great news. a few more questions for you:

1. you state US 91 octane is all that is needed. my experience with other NA software upgrade, US California 91 octane seemed to have problems and seems to be of lesser quality than other US 91 octane. was your system tested with US California 91 octane?

2. do you have an expected date for CARB approval? please give me your most conservative realistic estimate. i'd prefer to be told a realistic 18 months from now than to be told 6months only to be disappointed later.

3. do you have any pictures of the engine w/ your TS installed? do you have any sample/show cars available with this kit for viewing in San Diego?

thanks!

zulu4
10-06-2006, 06:30 AM
do you have a better video than that? i don't hear the V8 rumble, only a supercharger whine..... and that's worrying

gwatson
10-06-2006, 07:07 AM
Yeah I agree... sounds more like a mini cooper s with a roots type SC, just what I wanted to avoid.... perhaps it sounds better under load.... ESS???

jersey
10-06-2006, 08:44 AM
What problems were there?

there are a couple of guys on here that have boosted and the SMGI tranny cant adjust and the clutch has had slipping issues.

Asbjorn@ESS
10-06-2006, 09:18 AM
Yeah I agree... sounds more like a mini cooper s with a roots type SC, just what I wanted to avoid.... perhaps it sounds better under load.... ESS???

The engine sound will have a slightly deeper and throathier sound than stock, and you will hear the characteristic twinscrew "whine" under full acceleration. During normal cruising it is inaudible. Even under full load the SC sound is distant and not intrusive at all. If you have ever driven a supercharged MB AMG the sound is very similar.

BayerischeMW
10-06-2006, 09:39 AM
wow, the boost comes instantly - looks great! :thumbup:

cncmastr
10-06-2006, 10:23 AM
:werd: I'd be interested in knowing this.


thanks for the reply. this is great news. a few more questions for you:

1. you state US 91 octane is all that is needed. my experience with other NA software upgrade, US California 91 octane seemed to have problems and seems to be of lesser quality than other US 91 octane. was your system tested with US California 91 octane?

2. do you have an expected date for CARB approval? please give me your most conservative realistic estimate. i'd prefer to be told a realistic 18 months from now than to be told 6months only to be disappointed later.

3. do you have any pictures of the engine w/ your TS installed? do you have any sample/show cars available with this kit for viewing in San Diego?

thanks!

Asbjorn@ESS
10-06-2006, 11:08 AM
1. Yes, the TS is compatible with CA 91 fuel.

2. We hope to get all M54 TS kit's CARB certified during 2007.

Pics and videos will be released along with the official release of the kit shortly.

Alex
10-06-2006, 12:32 PM
Video anyone?

This is a 330i revving ESS Stage TS2. Not a long vid, but shows boost reaction speed and oh yes, listen to that engine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHi-bNbcs8
Wow. :drool:

MachRc
10-06-2006, 01:44 PM
Positive bo0st- envy:evil:

;)

EIAlfonso
10-06-2006, 02:15 PM
Anyway to turn that MPG meter into a boost gauge?

spartanwarrior
10-06-2006, 03:22 PM
Video anyone?

This is a 330i revving ESS Stage TS2. Not a long vid, but shows boost reaction speed and oh yes, listen to that engine!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoHi-bNbcs8Yes, sounds great, just have a few questions, 1, when i send my ecu in and tell them to program it for 95 octane let's say one day i decide to put 100 octane in will the car run right? 2, will the TS still be shipped to us this month? and last just out of curiosity how will the 3.0 TS hold up with a supercharged M3?

BDeppe1316
10-06-2006, 03:47 PM
there are a couple of guys on here that have boosted and the SMGI tranny cant adjust and the clutch has had slipping issues.

So ESS has this issue been addressed? I want this supercharger but i dont want something im going to have to work on all the time.

eTsil325
10-06-2006, 07:38 PM
Can you guys post the dyno charts on the first page or at least add a link to it so people can see the area under the curve differences between the TS Vs. ASA and AA chargers.

PLEASE!!!! :)

Yellowmann
10-06-2006, 08:55 PM
Attention: I have made the list easier for ESS, so please contine to add your name to this.

Also Stylinexpat- you didn't add your info so please make the correct changes.
12. Stylinexpat ?????

2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45) engines, both in manual and automatic transmissions.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
5. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
6. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
7. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
8. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
9. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
10. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
11. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
12. Stylinexpat ?????
13. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
14. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
15. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
16. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
17. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
18. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
19. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
20.Fashionman0228 ("02" 330ci 5-speed) TS2+
21. Windblow - 2002 330cic Steptronic - TS1
22. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5-Speed - TS2

E46 MS45.1 ZHP, X3, X5, E39 5 series and E60 5 series M54
2.5L M54 (325/525/Z4 2.5, etc)

1. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
2. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
3. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
4. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
5. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
6. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
7. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
8. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2

M52TUB25 and M52TUB28 (323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
2. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1 or TS2 not sure yet :hmm:

Ausfahrt
10-07-2006, 06:15 AM
Attention: I have made the list easier for ESS, so please contine to add your name to this.

Also Stylinexpat- you didn't add your info so please make the correct changes.
12. Stylinexpat ?????

2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45) engines, both in manual and automatic transmissions.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
5. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
6. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
7. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
8. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
9. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
10. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
11. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
12. Stylinexpat ?????
13. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
14. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
15. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
16. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
17. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
18. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
19. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
20.Fashionman0228 ("02" 330ci 5-speed) TS2+
21. Windblow - 2002 330cic Steptronic - TS1
22. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5-Speed - TS2

E46 MS45.1 ZHP, X3, X5, E39 5 series and E60 5 series M54
2.5L M54 (325/525/Z4 2.5, etc)

1. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
2. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
3. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
4. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
5. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
6. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
7. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
8. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2

M52TUB25 and M52TUB28 (323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
2. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1 or TS2 not sure yet :hmm:



Your so gay Charlie. Was wondering when you were going to add your ch!nk mobile to the list.

Yellowmann
10-07-2006, 07:53 AM
Your so gay Charlie. Was wondering when you were going to add your ch!nk mobile to the list.

I just got back in the States after 3 weeks and saw this thread. Im surprise your name is on here with your grocery getter :rofl: BTW hit me up on AIM

stylinexpat
10-08-2006, 09:30 PM
Attention: I have made the list easier for ESS, so please contine to add your name to this.

Also Stylinexpat- you didn't add your info so please make the correct changes.
12. Stylinexpat ?????

2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45) engines, both in manual and automatic transmissions.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
5. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
6. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
7. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
8. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
9. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
10. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
11. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
12. Stylinexpat 03 330 6spd. ZHP:)
13. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
14. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
15. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
16. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
17. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
18. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
19. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
20.Fashionman0228 ("02" 330ci 5-speed) TS2+
21. Windblow - 2002 330cic Steptronic - TS1
22. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5-Speed - TS2

E46 MS45.1 ZHP, X3, X5, E39 5 series and E60 5 series M54
2.5L M54 (325/525/Z4 2.5, etc)

1. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
2. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
3. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
4. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
5. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
6. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
7. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
8. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2

M52TUB25 and M52TUB28 (323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
2. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1 or TS2 not sure yet :hmm:


It's there

MB330Ci
10-09-2006, 12:34 AM
2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45) engines, both in manual and automatic transmissions.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
5. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
6. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
7. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
8. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
9. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
10. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
11. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
12. Stylinexpat 03 330 6spd. ZHP (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/):)
13. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
14. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
15. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
16. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
17. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
18. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
19. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
20.Fashionman0228 ("02" 330ci 5-speed) TS2+
21. Windblow - 2002 330cic Steptronic - TS1
22. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5-Speed - TS2
23. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5-Speed - TS1

E46 MS45.1 ZHP, X3, X5, E39 5 series and E60 5 series M54
2.5L M54 (325/525/Z4 2.5, etc)

1. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
2. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
3. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
4. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
5. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
6. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
7. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
8. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2

M52TUB25 and M52TUB28 (323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
2. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1 or TS2 not sure yet :hmm:

silver330ciman
10-09-2006, 08:03 AM
Waiting patiently:eeps: Wonder if I'll have the TS1 by Thanksgiving... I'm planning a trip to Motegi. Either way, I'm gonna take the car to the track:rofl:

Yellowmann
10-09-2006, 10:05 AM
It's there
I notice you have a ZHP so I move you to the correct spot.

PLEASE USE THIS ONE SINCE ITS UPDATED

2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45) engines, both in manual and automatic transmissions.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5-sp manual - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 speed manual, TS 2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 sp manual - TS2
4. krom24 - 2002 330i Steptronic - TS1
5. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 sp manual - TS2
6. JC7727 - 2001 330i Steptronic - TS1
7. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 speed -TS1
8. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0SMG - TS1
9. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 speed manual - TS2
10. greg330xi - 2001 330xi standard 5 speed - TS1
11. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330I 5spd - TS2+
12. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5spd manual - TS1
13. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1 (for now)
14. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 speed - TS2
15. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Steptronic - TS2?? (Call or email me AJ or Todd)
16. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 speed - TS1
17. Loknaster, 2006, 330ci, 6speed Manual - TS2
18. Turboo, 2001 330i step - TS1
19.Fashionman0228 ("02" 330ci 5-speed) TS2+
20. Windblow - 2002 330cic Steptronic - TS1
21. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5-Speed - TS2
22. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5-Speed - TS1

E46 MS45.1 ZHP, X3, X5, E39 5 series and E60 5 series M54
2.5L M54 (325/525/Z4 2.5, etc)

1. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6-spd - TS1
2. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6-spd manual - TS2
3. Stylinexpat 03 330 6spd. ZHP
4. Zulu4 - 2005 2.5L Z4 manual - TS1
5. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Sports Wagon Steptronic - TS1
6. schutney-2003 325i 5speed-TS1
7. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6SPD MAN -Headers - TS2.5
8. Zig - 2003 530i 6 speed Steptronic - TS2
9. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed Manual (Bone stock right now)- TS2

M52TUB25 and M52TUB28 (323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1
2. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Steptronic - TS1 or TS2 not sure yet

gwatson
10-09-2006, 10:18 AM
Can you not make my kit number 13 please :) :)

Sales@ESS
10-09-2006, 02:17 PM
2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45/45.1) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45). INITIAL RELEASE now includes ZHP.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
23. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
24. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
25. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
26. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3

Dirtboy
10-09-2006, 02:35 PM
Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3

How long till release of the TS3? If it's not too far off, you can move me to the TS3 kit.

konfoo
10-09-2006, 07:09 PM
2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45/45.1) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45). INITIAL RELEASE now includes ZHP.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
23. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
24. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
25. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
26. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2
7. konfoo - 2002 325i Step - TS1

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3

konfoo
10-09-2006, 07:13 PM
I am in http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6929/buttrockbe0.gif

///ACS330Ci
10-09-2006, 08:12 PM
How long till release of the TS3? If it's not too far off, you can move me to the TS3 kit.

You gonna let me try it out on the Ring when I come visit? :)

Dirtboy
10-10-2006, 04:55 AM
You gonna let me try it out on the Ring when I come visit? :)

Gotta do my 6-speed tranny swap and throw a LSD in first.:yikes:

BDeppe1316
10-10-2006, 06:09 PM
2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45/45.1) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45). INITIAL RELEASE now includes ZHP.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
23. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
24. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
25. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
26. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
27. BDeppe1316 - 2005 330ci SMG - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2
7. konfoo - 2002 325i Step - TS1

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3

Dirtboy
10-14-2006, 02:01 AM
Throw some cams in with my order please. :D

2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45/45.1) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45). INITIAL RELEASE now includes ZHP.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+ with cams
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
23. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
24. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
25. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
26. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
27. BDeppe1316 - 2005 330ci SMG - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2
7. konfoo - 2002 325i Step - TS1

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3

fashionman0228
10-15-2006, 11:35 AM
2001+ E46/3-series 3.0L M54 (MS43/45/45.1) and E83/Z4 3.0L M54 (MS45). INITIAL RELEASE now includes ZHP.

1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. JohnnyGraphic- 2004 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
23. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
24. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
25. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
26. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3

Why am I 23rd on this list and 19th on another?.. I am just concerned because I want to be able to take advantage of the special pricing for the first 20!

Maestroxl
10-15-2006, 11:40 AM
Not the first 20 but the first 30 kits are special price.
So don't worry.

:)

JohnnyGraphic
10-15-2006, 01:09 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+ with cams
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
23. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
24. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
25. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
26. BDeppe1316 - 2005 330ci SMG - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2
7. konfoo - 2002 325i Step - TS1

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3

Sales@ESS
10-15-2006, 02:06 PM
Why am I 23rd on this list and 19th on another?.. I am just concerned because I want to be able to take advantage of the special pricing for the first 20!

Someone seperated the ZHPs from the rest which was not needed. ZHPs are included in the original offer. And Maestro is correct, the first 30 kits are eligible for intro pricing.

fashionman0228
10-15-2006, 02:10 PM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+ with cams
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
23. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
24. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
25. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
26. BDeppe1316 - 2005 330ci SMG - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2
7. konfoo - 2002 325i Step - TS1

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3
2.Fashionman0228- 2002 330ci 5 Speed - (I will take the highest stage available)

Do you guys know when these things are going to start being sold? I want mine already

fashionman0228
10-15-2006, 02:21 PM
Can you give me an estimate on when the kits will be released to the fanatics.. Thanks

konfoo
10-15-2006, 02:29 PM
Someone seperated the ZHPs from the rest which was not needed. ZHPs are included in the original offer. And Maestro is correct, the first 30 kits are eligible for intro pricing.

Does that apply to the other m54 platforms where we have 7 right now?

SuperShawn
10-15-2006, 03:50 PM
It doesn't appear to be in the initial release, but do you have an estimated release date for a 2004 325i 5spd?

I was purchasing from a competitor this week but may be willing to wait.

Thanks.

SS

Sales@ESS
10-15-2006, 07:00 PM
It doesn't appear to be in the initial release, but do you have an estimated release date for a 2004 325i 5spd?

I was purchasing from a competitor this week but may be willing to wait.


The 325 M54 kit is already on the car here and up and running fine. We are finishing some last pieces and will finalize the kits in the coming weeks. Barring any obstacles, you should expect these kits to be ready in late November early December. Maybe sooner.

Sales@ESS
10-15-2006, 07:07 PM
Pics are available in the other thread:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5004286#post5004286

ritos530i
10-16-2006, 02:05 AM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+ with cams
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
23. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
24. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
25. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
26. BDeppe1316 - 2005 330ci SMG - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2
7. konfoo - 2002 325i Step - TS1
8. Ritos530i 2004 530i 6speed TS2+/TS3

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3
2.Fashionman0228- 2002 330ci 5 Speed - (I will take the highest stage available)

Sales@ESS
10-16-2006, 01:05 PM
Does that apply to the other m54 platforms where we have 7 right now?

We will have an intro offer for the other kits as well.

trimix
10-17-2006, 11:21 AM
1. Dirtboy - 2002 330Ci 5 Speed - TS2+ with cams
2. spartanwarrior - 2002 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
3. maxnathan - 2004 330ci, 6 Speed - TS2
4. cncmastr - 2005 330ci, ZHP, 6 Speed - TS1
5. KOTHB - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS2
6. krom24 - 2002 330i Step - TS1
7. f_t_s - 2004 330ci 6 Speed - TS2
8. JC7727 - 2001 330i Step - TS1
9. Blownfanatic - 2001 330ci 5 Speed -TS1
10. kosaka yuuta - 2003 Z4 3.0 SMG - TS1
11. Passive -2003 Z4 3.0 6 Speed - TS2
12. greg330xi - 2001 330xi 5 Speed - TS1
13. PhillyFreeFly - 2001 330i 5 Speed - TS2+
14. silver330ciman - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
15. GWatson - 2003 Z4 3.0 Manual - TS1
16. etwd - 2003 330ci 5 Speed - TS2
17. ATLZHP6M - 2004 330 ZHP 6 Speed - TS2+
18. Faded67 - 2004 330ci Step - TS2
19. Maestroxl - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
20. Loknaster - 2006 330ci 6 speed - TS2
21. Turboo, 2001 330i Step - TS1
22. Fashionman0228 - 2002 330ci 5 Speed - TS2+
23. Windblow - 2002 330cic Step - TS1
24. Rollotono - 2003 330i 5 Speed - TS2
25. MB330Ci - 2001 330ci 5 Speed - TS1
26. BDeppe1316 - 2005 330ci SMG - TS1

Other M54 platforms such as 325/525/530/X3 3.0/X5 3.0/Z4 2.5 and M52TUB25-28 (E46 323/328)

1. ADA - 2000 323i Step - TS1
2. Zulu4 - 2005 Z4 2.5 5 Speed - TS1
3. Ausfahrt - 2001 325i Step - TS1
4. schutney-2003 325i 5 Speed - TS1
5. Zig - 2003 530i Steptronic - TS2
6. Yellowmann - 2000 323i Step - TS1/TS2
7. konfoo - 2002 325i Step - TS1
8. Ritos530i 2004 530i 6speed TS2+/TS3
9. Trimix - 2001 520i Steptronic - TS1

Upper TS Stages TS3, TS4, TS4EE:
1. Stylinexpat - 2003 330i ZHP 6 Speed - TS3
2.Fashionman0228- 2002 330ci 5 Speed - (I will take the highest stage available)

ritos530i
10-17-2006, 10:36 PM
Has anyone compared Technik kit with ESS twin supercharger.
I am trying to decide which is better. Technik has a system ready to install to day for my car.
Technik kit has to be installed in the west coast and i live on the east coast(SC) and ESS kit can be installed in my garage over the weekend and cost me nothing because it is a diy kit. Any advise please about the performance and recommended choose

BayerischeMW
10-17-2006, 11:08 PM
as far as i know, no one on this board (except maybe MarvelPhx) has a TS kit yet.

ritos530i
10-18-2006, 12:04 AM
Did marvelphx post any photos with dyno.
I will try and find him.

MarvelPhx
10-18-2006, 12:17 AM
My kit is not installed yet. But when it is, I will get some dynos. I am sure ESS will post their own as well.

ritos530i
10-18-2006, 12:27 AM
I have seen their photos
I wanted to her from the first real customer.
Also did you get stage I or II.
From talking with ESS your kit, is very similar to mine.
Does it look like something you can do within a day.
let me know also email me sometimes. ritoab@msn.com
Rito

emayers04
10-18-2006, 02:55 AM
I have a 2000 323i with a UUC TSE3 Exhaust and the Lightwieght Flywheel M5 Clutch combo. I just replaced all bushings for the front control arms and all of the rear diff mounts. I was wondering if the stock internals of the engine will handle the TS? I just rolled over 132K on the car and I am concerned about putting a Supercharger on my car. Any suggestions on what to do to the engine to make sure it can handle it? I've searched and searched but I haven't found anything as far as pre-supercharger maintenance or upgrades. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

MarvelPhx
10-18-2006, 01:45 PM
I have seen their photos
I wanted to her from the first real customer.
Also did you get stage I or II.
From talking with ESS your kit, is very similar to mine.
Does it look like something you can do within a day.
let me know also email me sometimes. ritoab@msn.com
Rito

I will install Stage 2. Maybe go Stage 2+ if I find a good way to keep the TSE3 noise down with headers. Cams are also possible. Eventually, I think if I keep the car, I will go all the way as far as the TS will go. As for install, I actually plan on removing my TX-2 and installing the TS the same day, yes. Doing the DIYs the way I do actually doubles the amount of time it should take to install cuz of the pics and notes I take along the way.


I have a 2000 323i with a UUC TSE3 Exhaust and the Lightwieght Flywheel M5 Clutch combo. I just replaced all bushings for the front control arms and all of the rear diff mounts. I was wondering if the stock internals of the engine will handle the TS? I just rolled over 132K on the car and I am concerned about putting a Supercharger on my car. Any suggestions on what to do to the engine to make sure it can handle it? I've searched and searched but I haven't found anything as far as pre-supercharger maintenance or upgrades. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

Regardless of a type, the best test for FI'n a high mileage car is to get a cylinder compression and cooling system pressure test done. If you pass, you should be good. My first Project Car had over 90k and boosted for the majority of it without incident.

ritos530i
10-18-2006, 02:38 PM
Do you have any info on the Technik sytem? The sales guy said they have a kit for me now and with a stage II kit, I should see a output of 350hp. The kit cost the same as the TS kit Stage II. I have not seen the numbers for the TS II kit and they don't have something to ship me anytime soon. I have my money to purchase a kit today. The TS and Technik cost about the same and it is available now. Please advise anyone.

gwatson
10-18-2006, 02:41 PM
I actually plan on removing my TX-2 and installing the TS the same day

MarvelPhx,
When will this day be? :) Can't wait for a review....... need to decide what I am doing by the 26th for insurancre reasons.

Graeme

MarvelPhx
10-18-2006, 03:23 PM
Do you have any info on the Technik sytem? The sales guy said they have a kit for me now and with a stage II kit, I should see a output of 350hp. The kit cost the same as the TS kit Stage II. I have not seen the numbers for the TS II kit and they don't have something to ship me anytime soon. I have my money to purchase a kit today. The TS and Technik cost about the same and it is available now. Please advise anyone.

Your best bet on a Technik system is from Technik directly or one of the many owners here on the forums.

If you take the manufacturers out of the equation, then you have to decide which type of system (twin screw vs centrifuagal) is more suited to your driving style. Centrifugals begin making boost in the 2-3k rpm range and max at redline. Good for economy, make decent power, but excel at top end horsepower and top speed runs. Twin Screws make full boost at about 2k rpm and carry that full boost to redline. Usually a little less effcient than a centrifugal, but produces tons more usuable torque throughout the revband. That torque turns into decent HP as RPMs climb. TS are more suited to acceleration than top speed.

IMO, I will use the acceleration benefits of a TS a heck of a lot more everyday than I will ever top speed out my car with the high rpm benefits of a centri. Both systems will have their pros and cons, but they are very, VERY different even at the same price. You have to decide which suits your needs more. Ask yourself this, how often do you go 0-80 and how often do you go 160+ all out? That will make your decision for you.

MarvelPhx,
When will this day be? :) Can't wait for a review....... need to decide what I am doing by the 26th for insurancre reasons.

I am still waiting on my kit like everyone else. As soon as it arrives, I will be all over getting it installed and get the DIY/review done. I promise!

gwatson
10-18-2006, 03:27 PM
I am still waiting on my kit like everyone else. As soon as it arrives, I will be all over getting it installed and get the DIY/review done. I promise!

Ah sorry.... thought you'd managed to get your hands on one of the first kits.. don't know why I thought that....

ritos530i
10-18-2006, 03:54 PM
Ok I decided the ESS TS kit is the way to go.
You were correct by saying i will not be going much of 100mph on a daily drive. I just wish i can get my kit today. I have my money i just need the product. I am sure many of you are on the same boat.
I will pay $500 to anyone in the top 5 slots.

MarvelPhx
10-18-2006, 03:58 PM
Ah sorry.... thought you'd managed to get your hands on one of the first kits.. don't know why I thought that....

I will receive the first kit in the US as a PR peice, but like I always have, the review, DIY, and webpages will be my honest accurate opinion. Good or bad.

MarvelPhx
10-18-2006, 04:01 PM
Ok I decided the ESS TS kit is the way to go.
You were correct by saying i will not be going much of 100mph on a daily drive. I just wish i can get my kit today. I have my money i just need the product. I am sure many of you are on the same boat.
I will pay $500 to anyone in the top 5 slots.

I noticed you have a E60 530i. Does it have the M54 or Valvetronic engine?

ritos530i
10-18-2006, 04:13 PM
it has the M54 Vano, so ESS has told me they have a fitment for my car. I spoke with Peter in Norway and the sales rep on the forum

Sales@ESS
10-18-2006, 09:05 PM
Centrifugals begin making boost in the 2-3k rpm range and max at redline. Good for economy, make decent power, but excel at top end horsepower and top speed runs. Twin Screws make full boost at about 2k rpm and carry that full boost to redline. Usually a little less effcient than a centrifugal, but produces tons more usuable torque throughout the revband. That torque turns into decent HP as RPMs climb. TS are more suited to acceleration than top speed.

Sorry Todd, not quite! We tested the new Lysholm against the Rotrex, ASA, Paxton, Powerdyne, and Vortech and found it was much better throughout the entire powerband. Even top end, no centrifugal (even our own TX2) can match the Lysholm's ability. And as for economy, we just got back from a 100+mph 600 mile drive over to Lysholm in Sweden in the TS2 Z4 and averaged over 25mpg. We let the president of Lysholm, Martin, drive the car. He owns a new Porsche 911 and was blown away by the TS2 and wants one now.

And on the way, we made some videos people have been asking for!

ESS TUNING TWIN SCREW STAGE 2 (8psi) on a Z4 3.0L:
(Before anyone asks, the yellow light on the dash is DTC turned off)

0-120mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYX-OpOwk8c

55-110mph from 3rd gear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaTkVcFNlUs

60-150mph from 6th gear (top gear acceleration)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rst1rWVVwzI

gwatson
10-19-2006, 03:04 AM
Very nice..... sounds awesome, just look at the way it revs in 1st 2nd & 3rd WOW!!.

Have to admit I was pretty worried when I saw the last video of E46 reving from standstill, but that sounds really good with the TS sounding quite subtle. Now, when am I getting mine for the Z4 :)

BMW_DK
10-19-2006, 04:21 AM
... And as for economy, we just got back from a 100+mph 600 mile drive over to Lysholm in Sweden in the TS2 Z4 and averaged over 25mpg.

And on the way, we made some videos people have been asking for!



Its a good thing you drove through Germany from Norway to Sweden, in order to make those high speed videos :rofl:

Other than that, I can only say: :excited:

Dirtboy
10-19-2006, 04:26 AM
And on the way, we made some videos people have been asking for!

ESS TUNING TWIN SCREW STAGE 2 (8psi) on a Z4 3.0L:
(Before anyone asks, the yellow light on the dash is DTC turned off)

0-120mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYX-OpOwk8c

55-110mph from 3rd gear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaTkVcFNlUs

60-150mph from 6th gear (top gear acceleration)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rst1rWVVwzI


:bawling: I wish I could see these videos... :banghead: :censor: :cry:

etwd
10-19-2006, 11:16 AM
Is the Z4 an auto or manual?

ritos530i
10-19-2006, 12:56 PM
Has anyone heard any new updates from ESS on the TS kits?
Did anyone install the kit with photos yet?
It's been a while and everyday I check this post to see if there is any new news.

Let me know

Sales@ESS
10-19-2006, 01:06 PM
Is the Z4 an auto or manual?

6 Speed Manual with stock rear final drive (3.07) same setup as a ZHP.

ritos530i
10-19-2006, 01:15 PM
that was fast ess where is my update on the ess ts kit for my 530i.
Is the release date still Nov 15. This came from Peter in Norway.
Also do you have a gear ratio for the 530i because i never knew what i had from factory.

And someone please get me a wiring diagram for the 2004 530i E60 M54 6 speed manual. I am concern with engine sensors mainly

TxZHP04
10-19-2006, 01:50 PM
Has anyone heard any new updates from ESS on the TS kits?
Did anyone install the kit with photos yet?
It's been a while and everyday I check this post to see if there is any new news.

Let me know

Take a deep breath and relax there cowboy. If you don't see any news from ESS in this forum it's because there is no news. These things take time so you need to try to be patient.