E46 M3 Supercharger Coming Soon!!!

[Brandon@vf-engineering]

I thought I would share some of the latest information from the VF-Engineering new product dept. We are now close to releasing the E46 M3 stage 1 Supercharger system!!!
(Our production dept have told us in sales, that we can expect the release sometime before Christmas. Imagine waking up to this under your tree :pimpin: )

After 2 years of testing on our 2005 -6 speed model on over 12 local test cars, the hardware and software have all been finalized and are in stock. Our production team are just finishing up final touches (instruction CDs etc) before we will release the product for shipping.

http://www.vf-engineering.com/brandon/E46%20M3%20Blue.jpg

http://www.vf-engineering.com/brandon/E46%20M3%20Trophy.JPG

Above: VF's trophy winning cars at Dubwars '06 show (Socal) (from left to right) GIAC's (Our chip tuner) 996TT with a big turbo upgrade that puts down 550 at all 4 wheels (700chp), middle is a 996 VF-SC stage1 that puts down 440whp (503chp) and the award winning TWC wide body E46 M3 fitted with our stage 1 kit putting down 400whp (480chp)

The E46 M3 stage 1 includes a complete air to water intercooler system with an integrated heat exchanger built directly into the intake manifold. Air water cooling was chosen for superior air intake temps, especially on the track.

http://www.vf-engineering.com/brandon/E46%20M3%20Complete%20Hardware.jpg

http://www.vf-engineering.com/brandon/E46M3-hp-stk-sc.jpg

480 hp at the flywheel with a peak gain of 135whp with only 5psi on stock internals. Our sales dept cant wait to release the results of our 6-7psi upgrade. We can only imagine what that will do ! Never mind our 12-14psi upgrade that is midst development - phew!

http://www.vf-engineering.com/brandon/E46-M3-Torque-stk-sc.jpg

above: 330 ftlbs at the crank which is a gain from stock 262 torque. However the plot shows peak torque gains of upto 80ftlbs at the wheels representing a gain of 92ftlbs at the crank - not to mention the ever continuous torque curve.

For those interested in acquiring this kit this months, I just wanted to mention that VF has a promotion for orders placed in the month of Dec only (please check out our site for all the details).

If you have any questions for sales info or would like to speak with anyone from our design team for technical info, please feel free to contact us or any of our dealers at any time.

Have a great holiday!
sales@vf-engineering.com

[a_Y]

is it available for the smg??

[Nik@vf-engineering]

Yes indeed. We are currently completing an installation on the iForged Wheels company demo car which is a SMG. Check it out in some of the magazines coming soon.

[norwE46ian]

Looks very nice :thumbup:

[Mike Benvo]

Looks nice....

How long until the intercooled kit is finished? I personally would not put a non intercooled kit on a 3 series.

[vmwerks]

CARB approval in the future for any of the kits?

EDIT: Hey Mike long time no talk to.... personally I would not put a non-intercooled kit on ANYTHING. But that's just me...It does mention an integrated intercooler.

[Brandon@vf-engineering]

Mike Benvo- "The E46 M3 stage 1 includes a complete air to water intercooler system with an integrated heat exchanger built directly into the intake manifold. Air water cooling was chosen for superior air intake temps, especially on the track. "

CARB Approval is in the works as we speak! It's difficult to gauge exactly when we will receive it because VFE has submitted over 70 part numbers.
However we are hoping to see it soon!

[M3_Jaydee]

Looks like a ESS rippoff IMO

[OCswedishM3]

Looks like a ESS rippoff IMO

There is no need for this...come on man

[Brad@vf-engineering]

There is no need for this...come on man

Seriously. I'm hardly new to this kind of thing, but I still have to wonder what makes people post the things they do. Rip-off is a highly inflammatory and inappropriate charge.

Our E46 M3 kit uses a Vortech blower - hardly proprietary equipment, I agree - but the GIAC software, roto-molded piping and chargecooler reservoir, and most other hardware is truly VF-specific product.

[M3_Jaydee]

Yeah yeah... U know what I ment.
Looks better than the old ESS kit though. congrats.

[TaZaM3]

Looks like a ESS rippoff IMO

Sucks that someone like you has joined this forum..

[Nik@vf-engineering]

CARB approval in the future for any of the kits?

EDIT: Hey Mike long time no talk to.... personally I would not put a non-intercooled kit on ANYTHING. But that's just me...It does mention an integrated intercooler.

this is more than just an intercooler. our IAT comparos show an improved temperature drop with air/water than with air/air. we chose air/water for the S54 due to the compression ratio and we wanted to be super safe. This also allowed us to mkae 400whp with just 5.1 psi and leaves us with lots more room to go up from here without using water injection :thumbup:

not that there is anything wrong with air/air - we use it on several other kits we build.

we have been exchanging info with the ARB for a while now and we are in process of making some changes to our instructions format to comply with their requirements. I expect we may have something for may-june. but let's see - that is just speculation.

[GBX330ci]

this is more than just an intercooler. our IAT comparos show an improved temperature drop with air/water than with air/air. we chose air/water for the S54 due to the compression ratio and we wanted to be super safe. This also allowed us to mkae 400whp with just 5.1 psi and leaves us with lots more room to go up from here without using water injection :thumbup:

not that there is anything wrong with air/air - we use it on several other kits we build.

we have been exchanging info with the ARB for a while now and we are in process of making some changes to our instructions format to comply with their requirements. I expect we may have something for may-june. but let's see - that is just speculation.

So, what's included in the 6-7psi upgrade kit? Just a pulley and upgraded sw? How about the 12-14psi kit?

[TaZaM3]

So, what's included in the 6-7psi upgrade kit? Just a pulley and upgraded sw? How about the 12-14psi kit?

12-14 is too much, cant run that without race gas, and your still asking for it.

I would say put about 8-9psi and see what this puppy can do. Come on VF raise the boost just put on a smaller pulley, we want to see some higher numbers!

[BayerischeMW]

the kit looks pretty, nice design :) i like the black manifold.

[Brad@vf-engineering]

Sorry VF for the offtopic.

A bump's a bump, right? ;)

[Brandon@vf-engineering]

Here is the latest update on the E46 M3 Stage 1 from VF-Engineering. Our R&D engineers have been working overtime so that we can release the E46 M3Stage 1 system before Christmas.

Every piece of hardware/software have been put together to provide a direct bolt on solution to providing big, reliable power for the E46 M3. It's been a long two years of testing and we are proud to say that we have finally completed a production system that is engineered for daily driving.

VF's test car consistently puts down 400 wheel horsepower! I've been on a couple test runs and I have to say that this is definitely a force to be reckoned with.

Vid of VF's test car at idle:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-422937386488960224

Vid of VF's test car revving up. Sounds stock to me...right.... :str8pimpi :thumbup:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-441204865917239811

[scmgoblue]

Yeah yeah... U know what I ment.
Looks better than the old ESS kit though. congrats.

Looks a heck of alot better than anything I have ever seen from any of the other SC kits out there.....closer to an OEM look than the others.

You think ESS appreciates you running your mouth about other kits? I must say it puts their product in a bad light knowing it is what you are running. :thumbdwn:

[Brandon@vf-engineering]

My bad....double post

[jt330ci]

Funny if you look up the word bad marketing and false info your name keeps popping up.

Im just a regular customer at ESS yet you keep talking about me being "one of them"

Oh what false info are you talking about? and the TS is released FYI

:brent2:

VF the kit looks sick. That m3 in the vid sounds nice too.

[playinJ30]

i suggest you guys have your ESS war of words on another thread.

I run VF on my 328 being built right now and it's ridiculous. I've talked w/ a lot of car folks, but have never been more impressed with a person's knowledge of cars than Nik@VF, other than possibly when I met Carroll Shelby... and that might be a toss up :excited: .


i've seen the prototype M3 over a year ago and it was sick then, now it's even sicker.

It's great to have big boys like AA and VF in the same market place, so that we can be assured we get the best product available.

[Devonjordan]

You guys are thieves.

[vmwerks]

You guys are thieves.


:hmm:

[russ330]

I have cleaned up some of the off topic bickering. This time was free, next time infractions will be given.

I don't care about peoples agendas whether they're pro-ESS or pro-AA. This is the wrong thread for such discussions and "derailing" VF's thread is unacceptable.

[Brandon@vf-engineering]

Some more pics of the VFE Horse stable...
http://www.vf-engineering.com/unsecured/e46m3/hs-e36m3-hood2.JPG

http://www.vf-engineering.com/unsecured/e46m3/e46m3-hs4.jpg

http://www.vf-engineering.com/unsecured/e46m3/hs-e46m3-hood.JPG

[EIAlfonso]

That's the nicest rainbow I have ever seen

[helgo]

indeed, the kit looks good... :drool: :drool: :drool:

[sktlikeapro]

I feel left out, wheres my car at?!


Some more pics of the VFE Horse stable...
http://www.vf-engineering.com/unsecured/e46m3/hs-e36m3-hood2.JPG

http://www.vf-engineering.com/unsecured/e46m3/e46m3-hs4.jpg

http://www.vf-engineering.com/unsecured/e46m3/hs-e46m3-hood.JPG

[helgo]

I feel left out, wheres my car at?!


lol, i think your car is inside the shop getting the software finalized...

j/k :)

[Brad@vf-engineering]

lol, i think your car is inside the shop getting the software finalized...

j/k :)

That's actually true.

When that pic was taken, his car was at GIAC :)

[jmciver]

A few questions about your kit......

1. Does the Stage 1 kit provide those numbers with a full stock exhaust (i.e. stock headers, stock mid pipes and stock muffler) or will the headers need to be replaced with Euro headers or equivalent?

2. How does your software handle any CEL issues, especially if you are required to get rid of the stock US headers?

3. How does Stage 2 increase power? Decrease in pulley size? Software? Replacement of stock headers with aftermarket? Some combination there of? What extra components, if any are required for stage 2?

4. What are the expected (or even better actual) HP/TQ numbers for stage 2?

[Brandon@vf-engineering]

jmciver-
"1. Does the Stage 1 kit provide those numbers with a full stock exhaust (i.e. stock headers, stock mid pipes and stock muffler) or will the headers need to be replaced with Euro headers or equivalent?"

We achieved these hp numbers @ 5-5.5 PSI on a completely stock E46 M3! No headers, no aftermarket exhaust, no cams, stock compression, just boost.

2. How does your software handle any CEL issues, especially if you are required to get rid of the stock US headers?

No CEL lights on VFE systems. Unless something outside of the Supercharger system is acting up then the blower only exaggerates the problem. We are going to be testing and writing the software for the Euro headers and Euro Spec E46 M3's.

3. How does Stage 2 increase power? Decrease in pulley size? Software? Replacement of stock headers with aftermarket? Some combination there of? What extra components, if any are required for stage 2?

We are still developing the E46 M3 Stage 2 so it's hard to say what all will be involved. My R&D has told me that we may do 6-7 PSI but it is to early to say for sure.

4. What are the expected (or even better actual) HP/TQ numbers for stage 2?

VF estimates Stage 2 will be over 500chp on stock internals!

[Brandon@vf-engineering]

Here is a vid of our E46 M3 on the dyno (Street Vids are coming soon)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=164643423351160613

[jmciver]

Thanks for the reply. Now a few more.......

1. Any issues with belt slippage/snapping?

2. How noticable is the supercharger "whine" (at idle, in the cabin, etc)?

3. Does the manifold have a built in port for a boost gauge?

4. Can the software be programmed to make other functions automatic (i.e. start in sport mode, start with DSC off, etc)?

5. What is the anticipated time line for Stage II?

Thats all for now, but I am sure more will come....:)

[Nik@vf-engineering]

Thanks for the reply. Now a few more.......

1. Any issues with belt slippage/snapping?

No belt slip issues. We have never changed any of the belts on our test cars. Some of our belts have covered over 20K miles of gruelling test miles and are still in operation. The Vortech units pose very little inertia to rotation. Smaller units which create gearing step up with friction drive (aka Planetary Units - operate like a transmission) require more energy to drive them, and are hence more demanding on belt tension. We log boost curves with all our dyno plots, such as those shown on our website and we overlay them to analyse boost delivery (which is tension dependent) on back to back runs, and are very satisfied with the repeatability and stock belt spring tensioner.

2. How noticable is the supercharger "whine" (at idle, in the cabin, etc)?

You can barely hear it all. Most passengers are not even aware of it.

3. Does the manifold have a built in port for a boost gauge?

Yes absolutely. Its is provided and supplied ready with a vacuum line for your convenience! ;)

4. Can the software be programmed to make other functions automatic (i.e. start in sport mode, start with DSC off, etc)?

We have been thinking about doing this, but liability implications will prevent us from releasing this to the public. Our lawyer is very conservative and stops us from doing a lot of things. Such is life in CA :(

5. What is the anticipated time line for Stage II?

R&D is never something we can put a timeline on. But I am going for a couple of months, but it may happen much sooner - We are already working on it. I would not let it hold up your stage 1. It gives you something to look forward to.

-Nik
Head of R&D

[DLSJ5]

No belt slip issues. We have never changed any of the belts on our test cars. Some of our belts have covered over 20K miles of gruelling test miles and are still in operation. The Vortech units pose very little inertia to rotation. Smaller units which create gearing step up with friction drive (aka Planetary Units - operate like a transmission) require more energy to drive them, and are hence more demanding on belt tension. We log boost curves with all our dyno plots, such as those shown on our website and we overlay them to analyse boost delivery (which is tension dependent) on back to back runs, and are very satisfied with the repeatability and stock belt spring tensioner.



You can barely hear it all. Most passengers are not even aware of it.



Yes absolutely. Its is provided and supplied ready with a vacuum line for your convenience! ;)



We have been thinking about doing this, but liability implications will prevent us from releasing this to the public. Our lawyer is very conservative and stops us from doing a lot of things. Such is life in CA :(



R&D is never something we can put a timeline on. But I am going for a couple of months, but it may happen much sooner - We are already working on it. I would not let it hold up your stage 1. It gives you something to look forward to.

-Nik
Head of R&D



:thumbsup:

Agreed, I couldn't hear the SC at all when I test drove the car. I'll add another plus to this stellar kit, It PULLS like a bat out of hell!!! :pimpin:

[jmciver]

What is your turnaround time for flashing the ECU (I am assuming the ECU will be shipped to your shop in CA)? Is shipping included with the purchase of the kit? I appreciate the responses, BTW.

[Nik@vf-engineering]

ECU flashing is done at our office in CA and usually done on the same day it is received providing you have had the latest update from BMW and the ECU arrives in early AM. In some cases where a rare or unseen variation is received it can take an extra day or so.

We include overnight return shipping to customers in the USA and a standard service to the rest of the world. Some of our/GIAC major dealers can perform the work in-house.

[jmciver]

ECU flashing is done at our office in CA and usually done on the same day it is received providing you have had the latest update from BMW and the ECU arrives in early AM. In some cases where a rare or unseen variation is received it can take an extra day or so.

We include overnight return shipping to customers in the USA and a standard service to the rest of the world. Some of our/GIAC major dealers can perform the work in-house.
Good to hear. How can you tell if you have the most up to date ECU software from the dealer? My car was purchased in Oct 05 (Mar 05 production), currently has 8.5k+ miles on the clock, and has had all of the required dealer maintenance (which has just been the initial break in service at 1200 miles).

Also, what exactly are the legal implications of programming certain functions on (i.e. Sport Mode, DSC off, etc)? Other reputable software tuners perform this service. This is not a "b!tch" statement, I am just curious as to the exact reasoning since I don't see what the liability concern is.

[Nik@vf-engineering]

Good to hear. How can you tell if you have the most up to date ECU software from the dealer?

The best thing to do, is to go to the dealer and ask for a DME update. It is free if you are on good terms with your service advisor. The reason we ask for this, is because BMW update DME software every 30 days and in some cases this can even mean a firmware update. By having the latest version (ie BMW have worked out more patches for little bugs etc) your supercharger software will be based on the latest version too.


Also, what exactly are the legal implications of programming certain functions on (i.e. Sport Mode, DSC off, etc)? Other reputable software tuners perform this service. This is not a "b!tch" statement, I am just curious as to the exact reasoning since I don't see what the liability concern is.


The same reason/implications why BMW NA have not released speed distance control in the USA (especially CA)!

We are not going to modify functions which were programmed by BMW in a set manner such as the DSC always being on when you turn on the car. Similarly for reasons for having to press the clutch when you crank the ignition - we could delete that line of code from the software - but we wont. In Europe you dont have to press the clutch to start the car. I am not saying it should not be done - hell I hate having to keep pressing the sport button everytime I fire up the car, its just that we want to stay in business!

We also do not delete 02 sensor or CAT codes in software for customers who remove their cats - this is not legal in the state of CA. Our kits are in CARB approval process and we are very particular about fine details.:thumbsup:

[jmciver]

Fair enough on the legal stuff. It has become automatic for me to turn off DSC and turn on Sport Mode when I get in the car anyway :D .

So what is your policy for reflashing the ECU if the dealer "inadvertently" overwrites the software when the car is in for service? My car is still under warranty so I still plan to bring it to the dealer for routine maintenance (oil changes, wiper replacement, etc). Granted, I will have signs all over the car that say "DO NOT FLASH THE ECU", but unfortunately some techs have been hit with the "dumb" stick so accidents can happen.

[Nik@vf-engineering]

No problem, send the DME back to us with an explanation. We look up your VIN# in our records and re-flash it at no charge. You would probably need to cover shipping.

[jmciver]

What type of spark plugs are required for the kit? I notice that the kit does not include any but I would assume colder plugs would be required for this application. If so, which are recommended for this kit?

[jmciver]

Oh yeah, one other thing. Does the kit have a tap point for an oil pressure sender? If I get the kit I want to install an oil pressure gauge (since the engine oil also lubricates the S/C, but correct me if I am wrong here).

[BWMguy206]

Hey guys.. these kits are now on sale. The 1st batch I think is sold out or nearly sold out. 2nd batch is due in 3 weeks.

[sg_wannabe]

Hey guys.. these kits are now on sale. The 1st batch I think is sold out or nearly sold out. 2nd batch is due in 3 weeks.

yeah, i just found out that the kit is out. slow me.

the kit is very very tempting.....gonna think on it for a bit more.

[WizeGi///M3]

any video of vf cars running around?

[jmciver]

Hey guys.. these kits are now on sale. The 1st batch I think is sold out or nearly sold out. 2nd batch is due in 3 weeks.
Did you get that info from VF? I went to purchase the kit (ordered it last Friday) but was told they were still touching up the software (all the hardware is ready to go though).

[sg_wannabe]

Did you get that info from VF? I went to purchase the kit (ordered it last Friday) but was told they were still touching up the software (all the hardware is ready to go though).

released yesterday apparently:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=143400

[jmciver]

released yesterday apparently:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=143400
Interesting... I was told I should be high enough on the list to get one in the second batch. I guess we will see.....

[jmciver]

Nik,

Any chance you could answer my questions posted earlier about the spark plugs and the oil pressure tap point? I am on the wait list for when the second batch comes in, but I want to gather all of the misc. parts so I won't be waiting on them when the kit finally arrives.

[Nik@vf-engineering]

We have begun shipping our E46 M3 kits. Next week, we begin the installation on the editor of European Car magazine Les Bidrawn's personal 01 6spd.

It is correct that all 40 kits from our first production run are spoken for and the next 60 kits will be ready in 3 weeks. The manifolds are on the aluminum fabrication production line.

Software testing has been major development project and took longer than tuning the Porsche 997S. The key difference between our software is that we do not delete the "fuel trimming" features or any other features of the OBD2 funtionality. Idle is smooth and rock steady as a result of this. Fuel trimming is one of the most important aspects of the ECUs work and the nature of the MSS54/HP ecus is that adaptation is a continual process.

The water tanks (with the red cap) fitted on pre-release kits were fitted in the bulkhead pocket of the engine bay passenger side. However all production kits receive the undertray plastic molded water tank which fits under the main radiator on OEM mounting points and does not interfere with the undertray.

We are providing new NGK sparkplugs with the kits. They are the copper stock heat range.

The oil pressure (for gauges) can be tapped from the same place as stock providing your sender is low profile. Else a 90deg elbow could easily be used. jmciver - we can help you when you are doing this.

ECUs will usually take 3-5 days and we include free return overnight shipping when sending it back to you. We demand that you have you DME updated by BMW before sending it to us. 01,02,03 customers must be satisfied that their cars have had the bearing recall work performed if their vin# is covered.

Please feel free to paste this in the m3forum.com thread because M3forum will not allow us to be a banner advertiser.

[TaZaM3]

Nice job, any new power numbers? (Stages)

[jmciver]

The oil pressure (for gauges) can be tapped from the same place as stock providing your sender is low profile. Else a 90deg elbow could easily be used. jmciver - we can help you when you are doing this.
I just got my Defi gauges in and the pressure sender is low profile. I intend to install the pressure sender in the second port on the oil filtter housing. The sender itself is pretty small and looks to be about the same diameter (maybe a pinch bigger) as the stock pressure switch. Any reason to think this won't work (i.e. fit under the VF intake manifold)?

[BWMguy206]

I just got my Defi gauges in and the pressure sender is low profile. I intend to install the pressure sender in the second port on the oil filtter housing. The sender itself is pretty small and looks to be about the same diameter (maybe a pinch bigger) as the stock pressure switch. Any reason to think this won't work (i.e. fit under the VF intake manifold)?

The Defi kit for the oil pressure sending unit is NOT a direct due to incorrect size of adaptor. You will have to purchase a 1/8in NPT X 12.5. Autometer should sell this adaptor and is around $10 I think.

[bagher]

Can you explain why one would chose this kit over AA? Is it cheaper, more reliable, better warranty? Not trolling, just looking for an honest answer.

[jmciver]

The Defi kit for the oil pressure sending unit is NOT a direct due to incorrect size of adaptor. You will have to purchase a 1/8in NPT X 12.5. Autometer should sell this adaptor and is around $10 I think.
Yeah, I had planned on getting the adapter you are talking about. eGauges.com has them for about $6 or so. But it was nice to see that the Defi sender is small, unlike other pressure senders.

Bagher,

To answer your question, it depends. In my case I am going with VF for the following reasons:

1) Total Cost. VF stage I is cheaper than AA stage II and only has a little less power (480HP vs 500HP, my butt dyno won't feel the difference). Not to mention in order to get the 500HP of the AA stage II kit you need headers, high flow cats and a high flow muffler, all of which are extra costs. VF stage I, on the other hand, makes it's power with the stock exhaust system.

2) Install. The VF kit is easier to install due to the lack of water/alcohol injection kit. Also, the VF components seem easier to install, but that is just based on looking at pictures so I can't really quantify that.

The AA kit is a reliable and proven kit so you can't go wrong with it, but to me the VF kit seems like a better over all value.

[bagher]

Yeah, I had planned on getting the adapter you are talking about. eGauges.com has them for about $6 or so. But it was nice to see that the Defi sender is small, unlike other pressure senders.

Bagher,

To answer your question, it depends. In my case I am going with VF for the following reasons:

1) Total Cost. VF stage I is cheaper than AA stage II and only has a little less power (480HP vs 500HP, my butt dyno won't feel the difference). Not to mention in order to get the 500HP of the AA stage II kit you need headers, high flow cats and a high flow muffler, all of which are extra costs. VF stage I, on the other hand, makes it's power with the stock exhaust system.

2) Install. The VF kit is easier to install due to the lack of water/alcohol injection kit. Also, the VF components seem easier to install, but that is just based on looking at pictures so I can't really quantify that.

The AA kit is a reliable and proven kit so you can't go wrong with it, but to me the VF kit seems like a better over all value.

Thanks for the info. How much does a VF kit run?

[sg_wannabe]

Thanks for the info. How much does a VF kit run?

i believe vf-engineering's site lists it at $10k.

some of the vendors are running "special intro pricing" at a little less. pm me if you are serious about getting this SC and i can refer you to the cheapest price i have found.

[bagher]

I thought it was supposed to be cheaper than AA stage II, 10k is not cheaper...

[sg_wannabe]

I thought it was supposed to be cheaper than AA stage II, 10k is not cheaper...

AA stage 2 is listed at $10.9k:

http://www.activeautowerke.com/supercharger/e46m3/main.php

[jmciver]

I thought it was supposed to be cheaper than AA stage II, 10k is not cheaper...
Also don't forget about the headers, which AA says is required (~$1k) and if you want to say emmisions legal, high flow or euro M3 cats (~$2-3k).

[TaZaM3]

You guys are comparing a stage 2 kit to a stage 1 kit price now?

Why not compare Stage 1 to Stage 1 prices? We have seen AA's stage 1 kit priced at 7800 at times (sale).

[sg_wannabe]

You guys are comparing a stage 2 kit to a stage 1 kit price now?

Why not compare Stage 1 to Stage 1 prices? We have seen AA's stage 1 kit priced at 7800 at times (sale).

really? $7800 is a very good price.

maybe if we wait, the vf-e stage 1 kit will go down that much :) and maybe there will not be as much demand since the vf-e kit is not for folks with aftermarket/upgraded headers and cats. :)

[jmciver]

You guys are comparing a stage 2 kit to a stage 1 kit price now?

Why not compare Stage 1 to Stage 1 prices? We have seen AA's stage 1 kit priced at 7800 at times (sale).
That may be true, but look at the power output of the kits being compared:

AA Stage I: 440HP/340TQ
VF Stage I: 480HP/330TQ
AA Stage II: 500HP/388TQ

In a way, we are talking apples and oranges a bit, but it seems to me that the better comparison at this time is AA Stage II vs VF Stage I.

[Dougs325]

When is a turbo for the E46 3 series coming?!?

[bimmer81]

any update?

[bchurch]

Here you go.... Read the second post from Custom Performance.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=138720&page=3

[Brandon@vf-engineering]

Check out this sweet mirror polished intake manifold that we will be installing on one of our local Z3M (S54) VF enthusiast.

He also decided to powder coat the supercharger bracket and Wiggins clamps are on the way...

http://www.vf-engineering.com/unsecured/Z3M-S54/brandt1.jpg

http://www.vf-engineering.com/unsecured/Z3M-S54/brandt3.jpg

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any news for the s/w for cars with aftermarket headers??