HorsepowerFreaks E46 M3 Record - 667rwhp (800bhp)

[HPF Chris]

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/m3turbokit/Turbo_Kits_HPF_750_LRG.jpg

667rwhp (800bhp) Uncorrected

We're pleased to report some more progress. We got our new fuel system installed and our new clutch so we could turn the boost up a bit more. Last time we made 603rwhp SAE at 11.5psi. This time we maxed out the T67 turbo at 667rwhp at 13.5psi (Uncorrected - which is what the car actually put down). The SAE correction put it at 634rwhp because it is so cold today. I published both graphs below. These numbers are all on the stock engine and stock exhaust. No modifications whatsoever have been done to either. We could have made more power, but that was all the boost the turbo had. This shows that the stock M3 engine is stronger than many people give it credit for. We did nearly 100 dyno pulls today many of them over 600rwhp. The lower dyno number in the graph, 263rwhp was of the "same" car right before we put the turbo kit on it.

Here's a video of the dyno pull.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/m3turbokit/HPFM3-634rwhp.wmv

Here's a video of our new HPF Feramic clutch on the street. It easily held 800bhp and has absolutely stock like driveability and stock like pedal effort.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/HPFE46M3Clutch/HPFE46M3FeramicClutch.wmv

Here's a short video of our M3 on the street.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/m3turbokit/HPFM3Street1.wmv

Another video on the street.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/m3turbokit/HPFM3Street2.wmv

Another short pull on the street.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/m3turbokit/HPFM3Street3.wmv

More driveability...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/m3turbokit/HPFM3Street4.wmv

Here's the dyno pull (Uncorrected 667rwhp)

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/m3turbokit/HPFM3-667rwhpUncorrected.gif

Here's the dyno pull (SAE 634rwhp)

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/videos/m3turbokit/HPFM3-634rwhpCorrected.gif

Take care,
Chris.

[MachRc]

Santa MAria!!!!!!!!!!!!:yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

[david05111]

Lord have mercy!!! Thats insane!!!! I want one now! :bow:

[Rider Ryuga]

I honestly appreciate the work you guys are doing there at HPF - and seriously - thanks for keeping all of us updated on this kit and for shooting and posting these videos :)

[Ervin87]

:thumbsup:
Really deserve all the props.

[parad0x]

+1 definitly impressive footage.

[chisau]

Merry fricken Christmas!!! IS this running off the stock DME? Great job with the product and the video presentation. This attention to detail is what some of the other tuners are missing and what we the consumer love to see!

[bigjae1976]

That's all? j/k.

I saw your ad in Bimmer Mag...interesting. Anything for 330's?

[ice330ci05]

WOW!!!:thumbsup: .. i the last video you said that you might be doing the 530 next, please say it isnt so, do the 330 next :woot: :woot: :drool: .........

are you guys goin to try and get more power with pump gas? couse those numbers are with race fuil right???


:clap: :clap:

[MachRc]

the drivability video is a definate plus :thumbsup:

love the way the car goes from everyday cruise mode to tireshreddin' beast.





















I can't help it.

:brent2: I want a e46m3turb0.

[HPF Chris]

I honestly appreciate the work you guys are doing there at HPF - and seriously - thanks for keeping all of us updated on this kit and for shooting and posting these videos :)

Thanks. It does take quite a bit of time to do this for everyone, but I'm pretty excited about it and enjoy doing it.

MachRc... Agreed. It's the ultimate sleeper. :)

ice330ci05... I really don't know what car we'll be doing next. I bought a newer 330i and 530i which we will do at some point. I'd still like to do the Z3 and Z4 M's, and also the M5 and the E46 330i. But I base these decisions on demand and right now my first priority is getting these M3 turbo kits ready for sale.

bigjae1976... We aren't currently running an ad in bimmer magazine so I'm not quite sure what company you saw. We don't have anything yet for the 330s.

chisau... The stock DME is controlling the drive by wire and the rest of the car. Our engine management system is controlling the engine.

parad0x... Ervin87.... Rider Ryuga... Thanks.

I would like everyone to use the new links for my M3 turbo videos, however the system won't allow me to edit my original post. If a moderator reads this, can they update the first post to include these links....

Here's a video of the dyno pull.

HorsepowerFreaks 634rwhp dyno pull (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTQTNdh9w28)

Here's a video of our new HPF Feramic clutch on the street. It easily held 800bhp and has absolutely stock like driveability and stock like pedal effort.

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Feramic Clutch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmWY4j6Tw8)

Here's a short video of our M3 on the street.

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Street Video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4-w12SDxc)

Another video on the street.

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Street Video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS-aGJGsFhU)

Another short pull on the street.

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Street Video 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL_j1xo67mo)

More driveability...

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Street Video 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJeXbDgzQLU)

Don't forget to leave your comments on YouTube if you like them.... Thanks.

Thanks.
Chris.

[bigjae1976]

I saw an ad for a 600 hp M3...might be someone else with a similar name. Sorry.

[ice330ci05]

Thanks. It does take quite a bit of time to do this for everyone, but I'm pretty excited about it and enjoy doing it.

MachRc... Agreed. It's the ultimate sleeper. :)

ice330ci05... I really don't know what car we'll be doing next. I bought a newer 330i and 530i which we will do at some point. I'd still like to do the Z3 and Z4 M's, and also the M5 and the E46 330i. But I base these decisions on demand and right now my first priority is getting these M3 turbo kits ready for sale.

bigjae1976... We aren't currently running an ad in bimmer magazine so I'm not quite sure what company you saw. We don't have anything yet for the 330s.

chisau... The stock DME is controlling the drive by wire and the rest of the car. Our engine management system is controlling the engine.

parad0x... Ervin87.... Rider Ryuga... Thanks.

I would like everyone to use the new links for my M3 turbo videos, however the system won't allow me to edit my original post. If a moderator reads this, can they update the first post to include these links....

Here's a video of the dyno pull.

HorsepowerFreaks 634rwhp dyno pull (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTQTNdh9w28)

Here's a video of our new HPF Feramic clutch on the street. It easily held 800bhp and has absolutely stock like driveability and stock like pedal effort.

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Feramic Clutch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmWY4j6Tw8)

Here's a short video of our M3 on the street.

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Street Video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4-w12SDxc)

Another video on the street.

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Street Video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS-aGJGsFhU)

Another short pull on the street.

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Street Video 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL_j1xo67mo)

More driveability...

HorsepowerFreaks M3 Street Video 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJeXbDgzQLU)

Don't forget to leave your comments on YouTube if you like them.... Thanks.

Thanks.
Chris.

i think the e46 330 would be a good choice for the next turbo, since it's older and needs some more power.....i'll even give you my car to test it on lol....

[ritos530i]

Doing the E46 330 is like doing the E60 530i which the E60 will make more power with stock oem internals than the 330.
In the E60 forum it would be huge.

Anyway the both are M54B30 and MS45 with a few fitting differences. I would say they both can be done simultaneously.

[HPF Chris]

I saw an ad for a 600 hp M3...might be someone else with a similar name. Sorry.

Yea, and that may have been engine horsepower. Everyone seems to claim engine horsepower which can be a bit annoying to always have to make the translation. Our best was 671rwhp which equates to roughly 800bhp. The previous best dyno sheets I've seen are 561rwhp and 563rwhp.

ritos530i... Yes, I really don't know which car we'll do next. But I can tell you for sure we will keep doing different BMW's.

Take care,
Chris.

[MarvelPhx]

What does it safely make on pump gas?

[TaZaM3]

Yea, and that may have been engine horsepower. Everyone seems to claim engine horsepower which can be a bit annoying to always have to make the translation. Our best was 671rwhp which equates to roughly 800bhp. The previous best dyno sheets I've seen are 561rwhp and 563rwhp.

ritos530i... Yes, I really don't know which car we'll do next. But I can tell you for sure we will keep doing different BMW's.

Take care,
Chris.

Congrats, those are great numbers!

I have to ask, werent these last numbers made with more like 15psi? 13.65 is the lowest psi i see and it only dips there for a 100rpm, meanwhile through the rest of the powerband its close to 15psi?

[ice330ci05]

Doing the E46 330 is like doing the E60 530i which the E60 will make more power with stock oem internals than the 330.
In the E60 forum it would be huge.

Anyway the both are M54B30 and MS45 with a few fitting differences. I would say they both can be done simultaneously.


why would the e60 make more power???



chris please start the e46 next :thanks:

[playinJ30]

why would the e60 make more power???



chris please start the e46 next :thanks:



huge as in popular

[m3racing]

what would that thig run in the 1/4 mile

[BreakMyWallet]

haha "fock thats fast"!

oh and insane kit.. awesome job!

[bigjae1976]

Yea, and that may have been engine horsepower. Everyone seems to claim engine horsepower which can be a bit annoying to always have to make the translation. Our best was 671rwhp which equates to roughly 800bhp. The previous best dyno sheets I've seen are 561rwhp and 563rwhp.

Not sure, either way your claim stands. I couldn't imagine what this car feels like.

Just curious...price?

[supersickbimmer]

$16,000, Merry Christmas:hi:

[kerisabe]

$16,000, Merry Christmas:hi:

Fab! Cant wait to see this kit in your car! Then it's time for another photoshoot. :thumbsup:

[supersickbimmer]

Fab! Cant wait to see this kit in your car! Then it's time for another photoshoot. :thumbsup:

:shhh: I have to sell my current set-up first. I hope to have the first one in Canada.:clap:

[HPF Chris]

haha "fock thats fast"!

oh and insane kit.. awesome job!

Thanks. If anyone want to be submitted to be one of the first group of 10 to get their kits installed between March and May, shoot me an email to chris@horsepowerfreaks.com.

Take care,
Chris.

[Dougs325]

you guys can make a turbo kit for an E46 325 right?

[toyrunr]

$16k is that the price? Chris hasn't posted anything.

[HPF Chris]

you guys can make a turbo kit for an E46 325 right?

I haven't decided what car we're going to turbo next. We may even do the new M6. I haven't seen a huge demand from the Z3 or M5 market. I'd like to know what the demand would be on the E46 325 and 330 at a $16K price if close to the same power was achieved.

toyrunr... Yes, $16K is the price.

Chris.

[advantyper]

do you have plans for a kit for the 3.0 Z4? Thinking bout getting a SC or Turbo kit for my car. Any chance I can swing by to check out the M3 in person?

Tks

[MTreyM]

I would love to see see runs against a stock M3, just to get an idea of what we are dealing with......

[Dougs325]

for the same price...hell yeah! the 3 series is dying for a turbo...with the exception of the 335 haha

[ice330ci05]

I haven't decided what car we're going to turbo next. We may even do the new M6. I haven't seen a huge demand from the Z3 or M5 market. I'd like to know what the demand would be on the E46 325 and 330 at a $16K price if close to the same power was achieved.

toyrunr... Yes, $16K is the price.

Chris.


i am soo in for tht man!!! i'll even give you my car for an year if you need it to test one, so you don't have to buy one, hopefully the price will drop a bit too ............... do the e46 next, the m6 has enough power hehehe..... us e46's need the extra kick :D:D:D:DD::excited: :excited: :excited: don't the 530 and 330 hve the same motor??? if so then it's like don 2 cars at the saem time ;) :D:D:D

[HPF Chris]

do you have plans for a kit for the 3.0 Z4? Thinking bout getting a SC or Turbo kit for my car. Any chance I can swing by to check out the M3 in person?

Tks

I'd love to put this kit in a 3.0L Z4, but need to determine the demand before we go down that path. You can absolutely come by and check it out. I'll even take you for a ride.

MThrizz3.... We will have some vids against a stock M3 very shortly.

ice330ci05... The next few months will dictate the next car we do. I will definitely keep you in mind.

Take care,
Chris.

[stacy byrd]

I haven't decided what car we're going to turbo next. We may even do the new M6. I haven't seen a huge demand from the Z3 or M5 market. I'd like to know what the demand would be on the E46 325 and 330 at a $16K price if close to the same power was achieved.

toyrunr... Yes, $16K is the price.

Chris.


$16k is that the install price or the price for the kit and then pay to get it installed. Also what kind of warranty comes with this kit. You also have to purchase the clutch kit with the turbo and what is the price on the clutch. I also have alot of dinan parts on my car the full s2 package thinking of going with the dinan supercharge kit because of the warranty. I just think why not get alot more power from your kit for about the same price. Realiabilty is a big question for me.

[ice330ci05]

I'd love to put this kit in a 3.0L Z4, but need to determine the demand before we go down that path. You can absolutely come by and check it out. I'll even take you for a ride.

MThrizz3.... We will have some vids against a stock M3 very shortly.

ice330ci05... The next few months will dictate the next car we do. I will definitely keep you in mind.

Take care,
Chris.


:excited: :excited: :thanks: :thumbsup:

[BimmaDrew]

I haven't decided what car we're going to turbo next. We may even do the new M6. I haven't seen a huge demand from the Z3 or M5 market. I'd like to know what the demand would be on the E46 325 and 330 at a $16K price if close to the same power was achieved.

toyrunr... Yes, $16K is the price.

Chris.

:yikes: My heart skipped a beat while seeing that price...but to get 600rwhp+ on a 325 is worth that much. I'd jump at that if I had the money! :excited: But for $10K less, I'd be content with half the HP and knowing that my engine will last a bit longer (with a s/c). I just don't want to wait any longer...I need my power! :clap: Late 2007 is my goal (whereas it'd be more like early 2009 for that awesome power and I'm not that patient). :)


FWIW, I think there is a huge non-M E46 interest/demand for this...especially from the 330 crowd! Just look at how many of the 330's have a s/c! This is their next step to cure the more-power bug. :4ngie:

Unfortunately, I believe the 325 owners (myself included) cannot afford that price...hence the reason we bought our 325's and not an M3. At least the 330er's have the excuse of "I wanted the 4 doors." :)

Thats just my $.02

[HPF Chris]

:yikes: My heart skipped a beat while seeing that price...but to get 600rwhp+ on a 325 is worth that much. I'd jump at that if I had the money! :excited: But for $10K less, I'd be content with half the HP and knowing that my engine will last a bit longer (with a s/c). I just don't want to wait any longer...I need my power! :clap: Late 2007 is my goal (whereas it'd be more like early 2009 for that awesome power and I'm not that patient). :)


FWIW, I think there is a huge non-M E46 interest/demand for this...especially from the 330 crowd! Just look at how many of the 330's have a s/c! This is their next step to cure the more-power bug. :4ngie:

Unfortunately, I believe the 325 owners (myself included) cannot afford that price...hence the reason we bought our 325's and not an M3. At least the 330er's have the excuse of "I wanted the 4 doors." :)

Thats just my $.02

Very good points. Any guesses as to how many 330 owners have supercharger kits? The more of those that exist the more I might be inclined to build a kit for the E46 330 next.

stacy byrd.... I'm not sure what my kit costs will be doing the 330 so $16K is just a guess. It could be lower. I would assume the clutch will go, and we will have to build a clutch for it like our M3 clutch. I'm guessing that will be another $750. We will be providing complete instructions for the average mechanic so many people will be able to install the kit themselves. However we will be charging $2500 for the installation, but some other shops may charge a bit less.

Take care,
Chris.

[ice330ci05]

Very good points. Any guesses as to how many 330 owners have supercharger kits? The more of those that exist the more I might be inclined to build a kit for the E46 330 next.

stacy byrd.... I'm not sure what my kit costs will be doing the 330 so $16K is just a guess. It could be lower. I would assume the clutch will go, and we will have to build a clutch for it like our M3 clutch. I'm guessing that will be another $750. We will be providing complete instructions for the average mechanic so many people will be able to install the kit themselves. However we will be charging $2500 for the installation, but some other shops may charge a bit less.

Take care,
Chris.

i don't have one, i ws /am waiting for a turbo, you can make my dream come true! :D:D

lol....:excited:

[Sales@ESS]

......

[MarvelPhx]

I apologize for that, I am at ESS and was using their computer, haha

Chris:

Seemed to have skipped right over Taza and my questions, but answered the others after. Surely an oversight.

What does it safely make on 91 pump gas, no methanol? Dyno of this? You know, like the general public will drive it. Without spending even more money on race fuels and filling methanol tanks. Daily Driver Mode.

And Taza mentioned the readout difference in the boost graph on the dyno?

[supersickbimmer]

I believe they said it will make min. 500rwhp on pump gas. Correct me if I.m wrong. 600rwhp when the race fuel switch is activated and race fuel is detected.

[MarvelPhx]

I believe they said it will make min. 500rwhp on pump gas. Correct me if I.m wrong. 600rwhp when the race fuel switch is activated and race fuel is detected.

I read that somewhere, but it was an estimate. Just wanted to see the actual results for the everyday driver. Interested to see the actual diff.

[HPF Chris]

I apologize for that, I am at ESS and was using their computer, haha

Chris:

Seemed to have skipped right over Taza and my questions, but answered the others after. Surely an oversight.

What does it safely make on 91 pump gas, no methanol? Dyno of this? You know, like the general public will drive it. Without spending even more money on race fuels and filling methanol tanks. Daily Driver Mode.

And Taza mentioned the readout difference in the boost graph on the dyno?

MarvelPhx... The car makes 500rwhp quite easily on 91 octane pump gas. That will be the required minimum fuel for these turbo kits. The goal with our methanol option is to safely make 600rwhp on 91 octane when methanol is added to the methanol tank (which comes with the kit). With the race fuel switched to the on position, the average motor octane in the tank must be 110 or greater. Regarding Taza's question about boost falling at the end of our 671rwhp dyno graph... the turbo was unable to create boost past 13.5psi at redline as the engine was consuming all the pressure the turbo could make. This is why the T67 turbo is so ideal for the 500rwhp and 600rwhp numbers that we're releasing the kit with. Any bigger would have added some lag. Any smaller would be overspinning the turbo.

We will have some more videos of our turbo'd M3 against other known cars very shortly, and some durability testing videos as well.

Take care,
Chris.

[TaZaM3]

Looks good, but i wasnt asking about the boost falling, i wanted to ask where did you get 13.5 psi as being the stable boost pressure for this dyno. It looks like its closer to 15 psi stable.

[HPF Chris]

Looks good, but i wasnt asking about the boost falling, i wanted to ask where did you get 13.5 psi as being the stable boost pressure for this dyno. It looks like its closer to 15 psi stable.

I'm not sure what the question is but I'll try to answer what I think you're saying. The car can make 15psi of boost with that turbo until about 7500rpm where the engine consumes more boost than the turbo can produce and it drops to 13.5. With a slightly larger turbo it could hold 15psi to redline, however will be releasing the kits with a boost setting of 11psi, so with the T67 turbo the car will maintain 11psi to redline quite easily. Does that answer the question?

Chris.

[BimmaDrew]

Very good points. Any guesses as to how many 330 owners have supercharger kits? The more of those that exist the more I might be inclined to build a kit for the E46 330 next.


Oh, I'm not sure. I can guess...but it'd only be a guess. Does anyone else have a better guesstament of how many people have a Supercharger on their e46 330 (or are very serious about getting more power)?

[QuiKsiLvrCSL]

:drool:

[HPF Chris]

Here's a compilation of some videos that were taken.

- 2 Drive bys of an M3 w/HorsepowerFreaks Turbo Kit (at 11psi - 600rwhp)
- 3 runs of an M3 w/HorsepowerFreaks Turbo Kit (at 11psi - 600rwhp) against a stock SMG M3
- 1 Drive by of a built T74 single turbo Supra w/cams, TH400 at 25psi.
- 2 runs of an M3 w/HorsepowerFreaks Turbo M3 (at 11psi - 600rwhp) against the T74 Single Turbo TH400 Supra (at 25psi - 650rwhp).

HorsepowerFreaks Turbo M3 vs SMG M3 vs Single Turbo T74 Supra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8are4OVjE1A)

Enjoy,
Chris.

[Ervin87]

Vid is not working for me.

[mkell]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but will the clutch you've developed be included in the price of the turbo kit or will it be extra?

[parad0x]

yeah not workn for me either, could the video need to be up for a bit longer before it's viewable ?

[Rider Ryuga]

I hope the video works soon, I can't wait to see it :woot:

[HPF Chris]

I am now uploading a new less bandwidth intensive video to youtube. If that comes on-line first, I will post up the new link.

Chris.

[Rider Ryuga]

I am now uploading a new less bandwidth intensive video to youtube. If that comes on-line first, I will post up the new link.

Chris.


Thanks! :D

[Rider Ryuga]

Woohoo, the video is working now! Chris, thanks so much for shooting this video and posting it for all of us to see. All I can say is that I'm smiling ear to ear right now :D

[ritos530i]

Frist video works fine. Looks great keep it up up up until you get to your next project.

Great job Chris

[deafboy]

ugh....

I need to start saving more...lol.

[supersickbimmer]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but will the clutch you've developed be included in the price of the turbo kit or will it be extra?

Extra $750 or so.

[HPF Chris]

Woohoo, the video is working now! Chris, thanks so much for shooting this video and posting it for all of us to see. All I can say is that I'm smiling ear to ear right now :D

Thanks. I appreciate it.

supersickbimmer.... The price for the clutch kit will be somewhere around $750. I need to finalize this however.

ritos530i... Thanks. I haven't forgotten about you.

Take care,
Chris.

[ritos530i]

I hope not but i do understand and i can wait

[advantyper]

Cool, Tks Chris, I'll PM you before I stop by your shop. :)

I'd love to put this kit in a 3.0L Z4, but need to determine the demand before we go down that path. You can absolutely come by and check it out. I'll even take you for a ride.

MThrizz3.... We will have some vids against a stock M3 very shortly.

ice330ci05... The next few months will dictate the next car we do. I will definitely keep you in mind.

Take care,
Chris.

[HPF Chris]

Thanks.

The first 5 out of 10 spots are now reserved for E46 M3 turbo installations in March/April. Installations for 10 M3s will be done between March and May. I'm not taking any money at this point, just trying to plan the next few months out. If you're interested in being one of the first 10, the benefit to you is that we will personally make sure the installation in your M3 is flawless. Hot start, cold start, driveability, clutch engagement (if you get one), pump gas tune and the race fuel tune will all be tested. You can simply ship your car here and we'll ship it back or you can drive it one way or both. We're in Portland, Oregon. If you're interested in having one of the first turbo'd E46 M3's in the world, please email me at chris@horsepowerfreaks.com.

Take care,
Chris.

[hammerfang]

That is a sick kit, does it include cats or is there just a straight pipe? Also, is the 8000rpm redline retained b/c I know that in the AA stage 1 kit they limit it to only 7600 rpm.

[HPF Chris]

That is a sick kit, does it include cats or is there just a straight pipe? Also, is the 8000rpm redline retained b/c I know that in the AA stage 1 kit they limit it to only 7600 rpm.

I'm not sure why they would limit it to 7600rpm. The power keeps going up and the motor really loves it up there. We can set the rev limiter to anything we want. We chose 8,000rpm because we feel that is safe. High rpms do cause excessive wear and repeated pulls above 8,000rpm on the stock valve train could cause damage over time. We may change the rev limit on our stage 2 kit as it will probably include valve springs and retainers.

On the dyno we've done over 300 pulls to 8,000rpm and haven't had any problems whatsoever.

Take care,
Chris.

[ice330ci05]

lucky M3 guys !!!!!! so is the 330 next :idea: :4ngie:

[CGRIZZ516]

cant get over that M3, its amazing. So, u wanna take my 323ci and develop a turbo? I'll make the drive from Seattle and camp out for months outside until its finished :bow:

[LagunaBlau///M3]

man, those are some sick numbers........wish i had the money to drop to get that kit.......:(

[TaZaM3]

I was redlining 8k with my AA kit...


Chris, with some better valves and springs wouldnt even be feasible to run up to say 9k rpm. Do the stock cams even have enough lift to make power up top? I think with the turbo there is no point as power would be dropping hard up there.

[HPF Chris]

I was redlining 8k with my AA kit...


Chris, with some better valves and springs wouldnt even be feasible to run up to say 9k rpm. Do the stock cams even have enough lift to make power up top? I think with the turbo there is no point as power would be dropping hard up there.

Taz,

Yes, we believe this motor will have a nice flat powerband from 8,000 to 9,000rpm if valve springs and retainers are added. We believe the bottom end will also handle this quite well. If you take a look at our dyno graph, you can see the horsepower is still going up at 8,000rpm. With the torque falling slightly, if we took some pulls higher in the rpm we should see a nice flat powerband up there. I don't think the cams will be a problem since we're controlling them with the vanos.

Updates
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We installed our engine management system on a 2006 SMG M3, and they are working perfectly as expected. The SMG M3 will be getting a turbo kit in about a month and we will finish our clutch development for that car.

The "plastic" version of our new intake manifold will be here on Friday which we are going to flow bench against the stock version and our sheetmetal one and make any adjustments necessary. All in all, a lot of progress has been made and we're nearing completion.

We have 7 of 10 spots reserved for installations beginning in March. Let me know if you would like to be one of the first to get this kit installed in your M3.

ice330ci05 ... Niether the 330 or the 325 will be next. We've had an overwhelming interest from the M5 community, so the E39 M5 will be the next BMW to get a turbo kit developed for it.

Take care,
Chris.

[ice330ci05]

Taz,

Yes, we believe this motor will have a nice flat powerband from 8,000 to 9,000rpm if valve springs and retainers are added. We believe the bottom end will also handle this quite well. If you take a look at our dyno graph, you can see the horsepower is still going up at 8,000rpm. With the torque falling slightly, if we took some pulls higher in the rpm we should see a nice flat powerband up there. I don't think the cams will be a problem since we're controlling them with the vanos.

Updates
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We installed our engine management system on a 2006 SMG M3, and they are working perfectly as expected. The SMG M3 will be getting a turbo kit in about a month and we will finish our clutch development for that car.

The "plastic" version of our new intake manifold will be here on Friday which we are going to flow bench against the stock version and our sheetmetal one and make any adjustments necessary. All in all, a lot of progress has been made and we're nearing completion.

We have 7 of 10 spots reserved for installations beginning in March. Let me know if you would like to be one of the first to get this kit installed in your M3.

ice330ci05 ... Niether the 330 or the 325 will be next. We've had an overwhelming interest from the M5 community, so the E39 M5 will be the next BMW to get a turbo kit developed for it.

Take care,
Chris.

oh man!!!:censor: :censor: :( :banghead: :banghead: :bawling: :bawling:

are you guys even planning on even doing it????

[kerisabe]

oh man!!!:censor: :censor: :( :banghead: :banghead: :bawling: :bawling:

are you guys even planning on even doing it????

Ice! Just sell the 330 and get a e46 m3 now. :eeps:

[ice330ci05]

Ice! Just sell the 330 and get a e46 m3 now. :eeps:

NEVER!!!! :D thats my baby....... i'll wait and wait and wait. if anything i'll get a s/c :(:(:(:(

[HPF Chris]

oh man!!!:censor: :censor: :( :banghead: :banghead: :bawling: :bawling:

are you guys even planning on even doing it????

We will probably not do an E46 330 kit. I think we're going to jump from the M3 to the M5 then to the newer BMW's.

Chris.

[GodSendsDeath]

Ice what the nice folks at HPF like to say is they don't want to deal with your broke ass(not starting anything lol just a joke) and they are just gona take a whole lot more cash from the e39 M5 guys. See those guys still pay 40k plus on a 7yr old m5. They got cash people like US i guess don't lol. Get a TS system that should do more than just the trick. No offense HPF i want to see this kit 8-12 months from now and that there are no oh my motor blew HPF sucks blablabla storys. If so then you guys i think can say kit complete as in proven in the long run, its hard being first but you guys did it and you went all out.

[ice330ci05]

We will probably not do an E46 330 kit. I think we're going to jump from the M3 to the M5 then to the newer BMW's.

Chris.

nah man, u killing me man!!!! there goes my dream!!!! there is no piont in living now :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!! i got all happen and **** for NADA!!!!:banghead: :censor: :censor: .... well if you guys change ur mind i'm still for it and will give you my car to test on lol..... i guess i'll have to wait and see a bit longer!!!!

[ice330ci05]

Ice what the nice folks at HPF like to say is they don't want to deal with your broke ass(not starting anything lol just a joke) and they are just gona take a whole lot more cash from the e39 M5 guys. See those guys still pay 40k plus on a 7yr old m5. They got cash people like US i guess don't lol. Get a TS system that should do more than just the trick. No offense HPF i want to see this kit 8-12 months from now and that there are no oh my motor blew HPF sucks blablabla storys. If so then you guys i think can say kit complete as in proven in the long run, its hard being first but you guys did it and you went all out.


soo true and sad at the same time:banghead: :cry:

[Hamann bmw]

WOW Great kit, The pirce is just way too high i wonder....what take out a loan inorder to get one?????? i wish it was in the super charger price range.... or a k or 2k higher i wouldent mind..... hope it drops:hmm:

[Thats M Life]

WOW Great kit, The pirce is just way too high i wonder....what take out a loan inorder to get one?????? i wish it was in the super charger price range.... or a k or 2k higher i wouldent mind..... hope it drops:hmm:

great price for what you get...you're comparing it to a stage 1 s/c kit when you need to compare it to a stage2 adn even stage3...

Stage 1 s/c will run you yeah half of it but you are also gettting a lot less hp and even if you were getting near the same hp to the rear wheels...a turbo application will always be faster...

[advantyper]

Tks Chris for the tour last week! Nice meeting you and JP. Next time when the M is ready for some runs, let me know. that R34 Skyline is pretty sick in your shop! :str8pimpi

[HPF Chris]

Tks Chris for the tour last week! Nice meeting you and JP. Next time when the M is ready for some runs, let me know. that R34 Skyline is pretty sick in your shop! :str8pimpi

Thanks. It was nice meeting you both. Next time you come around we'll take you for a ride.

Current Status
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The Plastic intake manifold we grew for testing had some fitment issues, so we're changing our model and growing another intake. Once approved we'll send off our final approval to build the tooling for the aluminum version. The SMG testing is completed. We had some issues with the engine hanging in the higher rpms in automatic mode but those are resolved. Now we're having to relocate the resevoir that is attached to the intake plenum on the SMG version. Part 1 of our engine management system is now in production and we should have 100 units in 8 weeks. Part 2 of our engine management system has the board out for approval, and the enclosure design and mold is completed. At this point we're just waiting for the production pieces to come back to we can finalize the kit.

I'll keep everyone posted.

Take care,
Chris.

[Bojje]

So guys, are you working on any new movies? Visiting tracks (with the M3 turbo ofcourse)?

[HPF Chris]

Turbo Kit Update 1/19/2007
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The picture below is of one of our enclosures for the electronics. The enclosure was done with rapid prototyping that allows us to test fitment to 1/1000th of an inch prior to creating any tooling. This allows us to go through several iterations without spending a ton of money on the tooling or without using a part that wasn't done exactly right.

I wanted to make sure that nobody had to hack into their stock wiring to run this turbo kit, so for this enclosure, you can see the BMW connectors simply plug right into our board. This takes a lot more time and money to develop but I feel is well worth the wait. The final version of the enclosure will be cast in aluminum and will have a black finish.

We're still working on the hardware and tuning for the SMG version that has affected the timeline for our electronic boards. The boards are going to be used on all vehicles and we wanted to make sure we were able to address the SMG M3 before we finalize the design. We've had to make some minor changes to make the shifting identical to stock, but there is still a slight hang in rpm when the shift intensity is set to the soft position during mild acceleration. We believe we have isolated the problem and hope to have a fix for it next week. Once we resolve this, we will send our files off to have our boards designed and will verify board fitment in the enclosure shown in the picture.

That was the first part of our electronics. The other part of our electonics includes an HPF computer and it's enclosure, and the design on these is finalized and is now in production. Yea! The expected lead time on these are 8-10 weeks. So that will put us near the end of March.

The rapid prototyped intake manifold was produced, installed on our SMG and non-SMG M3's, and as a result we have made several changes to the model. These changes will improve fitment, flow, appearance, will provide better clearance for both SMG and non-SMG, and will provide an ideal location for the Tial BOV. The new model will be used to build another prototype which we will install in 2 weeks. If this model requires no changes, we will have the aluminum tooling built and begin production on the cast aluminum intake manifolds. This whole process will take another 10 weeks.

All of these processes are happening simultaneously, so we're still shooting for the end of March to begin installing these kits.

And that's about it. I have 10 people lined up to get these kits installed starting very soon. If anyone wants to add their name to the confirmed list, please email me at chris@horsepowerfreaks.com. The first couple installs will be hand picked from the list. After that, it will be on a first come first serve basis.

Take care,
Chris.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/electronics1.gif

[HPF Chris]

So guys, are you working on any new movies? Visiting tracks (with the M3 turbo ofcourse)?

We did a TV show awhile back, "Trick my Ride", but aren't doing that anymore. We had to basically shut our shop down to do the show. We'll be racing the M3 at PIR this year. Should be fun. They'll probably kick us out after the first pass for not having a rollbar in it though.

Chris.

[HPF Chris]

Here are some pictures of our new intake manifold design. We will make another rapid prototype to verify fitment. If this one fits perfect and performs as we hope on the flow bench then we can start the tooling for the aluminum production versions.

Here are the pics... (the intake manifolds will come in black or polished aluminum... other colors will also be available upon request)

The Tial BOV will V-band clamp to the front of the manifold where the raised hole is... the BOV fits nicely right inside the radiator shroud which is retained, the boss on the drivers side edge is for the oil dipstick, the 2 tapped holes on the bottom are for the intake air temp sensor and the methanol fogger. There are no sharp edges anywhere in the manifold as every dimension of it is radiused to provide the ultimate in air flow. We've taken advantage of quite a bit of plenum design theory to maximize the flow capabilities and to ensure equal distribution among cylinders for both air and for methanol. We've also extended the runners over our previous working sheet metal design and hope to increase low end to mid-range torque on the dyno.

In the black color, it's a bit difficult to see all the dimensions at play, but I'm very impressed with this version. Once we grow it in plastic, I'll post up a video of it.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/intakemanifold/NewBlack.bmp

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/intakemanifold/NewBlack2.bmp

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/intakemanifold/NewBlack3.bmp

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/intakemanifold/NewBlack4.bmp

Take care,
Chris.

[ritos530i]

Not bad for a Freak LOL
Good work Chris. Oh can you make it just a little darker please. :)
Just kidding

[ACSchnitzer69]

So rilly for this kit its.... $16,000 for the kit, $750 for the clutch sense we will need it and $2,000 for install? Thats already $18,750!! What if we live in a different state, will we have to pay for shipping to ship our car to you for you guys to install it or will that be covered under that big $16,000 price?

[HPF Chris]

So rilly for this kit its.... $16,000 for the kit, $750 for the clutch sense we will need it and $2,000 for install? Thats already $18,750!! What if we live in a different state, will we have to pay for shipping to ship our car to you for you guys to install it or will that be covered under that big $16,000 price?

Your clutch should survive for awhile at 500rwhp (the pump gas setting). Ours lasted up until 575rwhp. If you do want to get a clutch done at the same time, it's $750 for the clutch and $1000 for the install.

We are not paying for shipping, but carriers generally charge between $600 and $1500 one way depending on the carrier, the type of trailer and the timeframe you want them to work within. If you give them a broader timeframe like "this week" as opposed to "this day", it will be considerably cheaper. Open trailers are cheaper than enclosed trailers. We can set everyone up with shipping carriers for their cars and will provide this information to our customers as the time gets closer.

SMG Update
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I just wanted give everyone an update on where we are with our turbo kits for the SMG models. Before we put our turbo kit on an SMG, we wanted to make sure we could mimic the "stock" shifting characteristics of the SMG. This has been very very difficult as our engine management system controls the engine and without being able to communicate directly with the transmissions computer, has no way of knowing when the transmission is about to shift.

We currently have a partial solution that will work for several of you but may not work for everyone. We will seek out a more comprehensive solution in a month when we free up from development. For now, we have developed a solution that allows us to mimic the stock-like shifting / engine characteristics if the paddle shifter on the steering column is used, or the shifter intensity is set to "quick". This works great and allows nice crisp up-shifts and down-shifts regardless of the amount of acceleration.

For non-paddle shifting (either in auto mode or with the center console shifter) with the "soft" intensity setting during "light" acceleration, upshifts are a bit more lazy than normal. We are going to try to come up with a solution for this, but we are not going to hold up releasing the kits for the non-SMG cars.

We are going to proceed installing a turbo kit on this 2006 SMG M3 given this known constraint and will try to come up with a solution that will allow the same shifting in all cases. Until then, the best we can commit to is "paddle shifting will always work the same", and all other shifting will work the same with the shifting intensity set to "quick".

Take care,
Chris.

[hamann69]

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[ACSchnitzer69]

chris, great job with the turbo kit but common man... you are charging tons of money.. now its 16,000 for the turbo kit, 750 for clutch, now 3,000 for install? cuz its 2,000 install on turbo kit and 1,000 install on clutch.. now its $19,750 !! ?? You are charging 3,000 for install and now expect us to pay for shipping to and from your shop.... another 1,000 each way... so now to do this its $21,750!!!

Why are you advertising at $16,000???

This is rediculous with all these surprising extra prices...

there is nothing you can do????????????

[HPF Chris]

chris, great job with the turbo kit but common man... you are charging tons of money.. now its 16,000 for the turbo kit, 750 for clutch, now 3,000 for install? cuz its 2,000 install on turbo kit and 1,000 install on clutch.. now its $19,750 !! ?? You are charging 3,000 for install and now expect us to pay for shipping to and from your shop.... another 1,000 each way... so now to do this its $21,750!!!

Why are you advertising at $16,000???

This is rediculous with all these surprising extra prices...

there is nothing you can do????????????

Once we install 10 kits, We will be shipping the turbo kit with complete instructions to our customers wanting to install the kit themselves. There is no wiring required and everything is completely bolt up.

We will also be authorizing installers in various parts of the country who will be able to install our kits beginning in June. So far I have authorized installers in Dallas, TX and Orlando, FL. I am still looking for three more installation shops, one in California, the Mid-West and the NorthEast.

ACSchnitzer69.... Here's something you may want to do. Consider a "new" or "nearly new" car that you own or a friend owns and ask a local shop how much they would charge to install a complete turbo kit that requires temporarily raising the engine, as well as a new intake plenum, as well as an intercooler kit and all of it's piping, as well as a complete fuel system w/injectors, fuel pump and filter, and a complete engine management system along with all of it's sensors, then you will need them to dyno it on pump gas, then on race fuel, make sure the driveability is flawless, then present you with the car and both dyno graphs. Now ask them while they're doing that how much they would charge to throw in a new clutch and resurface the flywheel.

Now just for giggles, tell them these parts don't exist yet as nobody in the world has been able to do this even though many have tried, but you'd still like them to invent, design and produce for this new car "from scratch" an entire turbo kit w/tubular manifold, intercooler, end tanks and all of it's piping, intake manifold, clutch, fuel system, and have them invent an engine management system for this new car that will literally run the engine, control the dash, gauges, drive by wire and dual vanos while still making it as driveable as it was before. Then tell them you want to make more power than anybody ever has with this car but you still want it streetable for everyday driving.

I have an idea of what they would tell you.

Take care,
Chris.

[ritos530i]

Chris i have done what you are asking and i can confirm that your theory is correct. They laughed at me and looked at me like i am crazy when i seem surprise of the cost.
As you know already i am trying to find anything for my 530 and looking at doing everything custom or should i say never has been down. By the time i finish i would have paid for another 5 series if i was attempting to make those power levels. in most cases the R & D plus the ECU tuning will cost 15 grand. But there is one plus side to all that. I can replicate this for thousands of others to follow and make my money back ten times in the first month. Ok maybe the first year.
But of coarse getting all the production done for the kits will take some time to.
Keep up the good work and don't forget about me. Hopefully i haven't designed my own kit. (this is a joke)

[ACSchnitzer69]

Chris, now if I go to one of your authorized installers, will there be the SAME EXACT warranty? also how much are they going to charge for installing the turbo kit and clutch? Shouldnt the $2,000 cover the instal for the turbo kit and clutch?

[ice330ci05]

Chris i have done what you are asking and i can confirm that your theory is correct. They laughed at me and looked at me like i am crazy when i seem surprise of the cost.
As you know already i am trying to find anything for my 530 and looking at doing everything custom or should i say never has been down. By the time i finish i would have paid for another 5 series if i was attempting to make those power levels. in most cases the R & D plus the ECU tuning will cost 15 grand. But there is one plus side to all that. I can replicate this for thousands of others to follow and make my money back ten times in the first month. Ok maybe the first year.
But of coarse getting all the production done for the kits will take some time to.
Keep up the good work and don't forget about me. Hopefully i haven't designed my own kit. (this is a joke)



you have the e46 330 motor in ur 530??? .

[ritos530i]

you have the e46 330 motor in ur 530??? .
I have the M54B30 motor with the MS45.1 DME
Same as the E46 330. But i am faster.:loco:
Any other questions i can help you with let me know!

[ice330ci05]

I have the M54B30 motor with the MS45.1 DME
Same as the E46 330. But i am faster.:loco:
Any other questions i can help you with let me know!

dunno what that means..... how are u faster if u have the same motor as the 330???

[pei330ci]

dunno what that means..... how are u faster if u have the same motor as the 330???

He's faster.

[ice330ci05]

He's faster.

lol, how?

[ritos530i]

dunno what that means..... how are u faster if u have the same motor as the 330???
Since you don't even know what a M54B30 is i am probably wasting my time explaining why. But here goes.
Did you even know that there is a M3s with a M54 motor? Well it is faster than my car. this is largely do to the displacement 3.2 You will understand one day. isn't it strange how BMW made serval models with the same motor with different power levels. for example M54B25,M54B30, all have the same motor. Now if you have a 2006 or new BMW E46 330 you are faster and you have more stock hp. Key word stock.

[simsima325]

^^^ that is kind of rude... if you are going to take a thread OT, i'd appreciate if you could cut out the rudeness... thanks. :rolleyes:

back on topic. this kit looks insane :excited: but what happens if something, in the kit, breaks? have to send the car back to Oregon? :dunno:

[ritos530i]

After reading the thread agian i did sound rude. I did not mean to sound this way but was trying to figure how i can make him understand the differents between the two cars.
Please excuse my ignorance

[jacques chirac]

You can find a used M3 for 35k if you ad 20K for the complete turbo setup you got a 800 CHP car for 55K .A ferrari enzo costs 600k and has 140hp less.So we can say HPF chris is a heroe of the people who allows normal people to own some "horsepowerfreaks" .Long life to you chris

[ACSchnitzer69]

Chris, now if I go to one of your authorized installers, will there be the SAME EXACT warranty? also how much are they going to charge for installing the turbo kit and clutch? Shouldnt the $2,000 cover the instal for the turbo kit and clutch?

[ice330ci05]

After reading the thread agian i did sound rude. I did not mean to sound this way but was trying to figure how i can make him understand the differents between the two cars.
Please excuse my ignorance

but you didn't explain anything, just said it's faster.....isn't your motor the same 3L with 225hp?

[ice330ci05]

Since you don't even know what a M54B30 is i am probably wasting my time explaining why. But here goes.
Did you even know that there is a M3s with a M54 motor? Well it is faster than my car. this is largely do to the displacement 3.2 You will understand one day. isn't it strange how BMW made serval models with the same motor with different power levels. for example M54B25,M54B30, all have the same motor. Now if you have a 2006 or new BMW E46 330 you are faster and you have more stock hp. Key word stock.

okay, i know that, i don't think we are at the same page man, u talking about something else...... "Now if you have a 2006 or new BMW E46 330 you are faster and you have more stock hp" .... the e46 330 was stopped (atleast in canada in late 05) did u mean a e90 ..... anyways thats not my point.....



okay, let me try again... wasn't the first year production of the E60 with a motor of the e46330? also the first Z4 had the same motor as the 325 and the 330, right....if they all have the same motor how can the E60 530 be faster if it's heavier, now for the Z4 i can understand, it's ligher... i'm ONLY talking about STOCK!!! thats why i asked why ritos530i is faster......

[HPF Chris]

You can find a used M3 for 35k if you ad 20K for the complete turbo setup you got a 800 CHP car for 55K .A ferrari enzo costs 600k and has 140hp less.So we can say HPF chris is a heroe of the people who allows normal people to own some "horsepowerfreaks" .Long life to you chris

Thanks. :)

Chris, now if I go to one of your authorized installers, will there be the SAME EXACT warranty? also how much are they going to charge for installing the turbo kit and clutch? Shouldnt the $2,000 cover the instal for the turbo kit and clutch?

The installation will be $2500 for the complete turbo kit and $1000 for the clutch. All of the authorized installation shops will honor these same prices and the warranties will still apply. You do not want an installer of our kit that will be charging less than this because it is quite involved. If I'm going to spend $16,000 on a turbo kit, the last thing I want to do is go cheap on the install or I might get what I pay for. We will be flying out to each installer's location to interview the techs and to verify the shop meets our approval. This will happen in the May / June timeframe.

Take care,
Chris.

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

okay, i know that, i don't think we are at the same page man, u talking about something else...... "Now if you have a 2006 or new BMW E46 330 you are faster and you have more stock hp" .... the e46 330 was stopped (atleast in canada in late 05) did u mean a e90 ..... anyways thats not my point.....



okay, let me try again... wasn't the first year production of the E60 with a motor of the e46330? also the first Z4 had the same motor as the 325 and the 330, right....if they all have the same motor how can the E60 530 be faster if it's heavier, now for the Z4 i can understand, it's ligher... i'm ONLY talking about STOCK!!! thats why i asked why ritos530i is faster......

Could it be gearing?

[ice330ci05]

Could it be gearing?

i was just talkin about the motor its self,,, but anyways we are wayyyy off topic here....



GOOD WORK ON THE TURBO CHRIS!!!!!! i hope u change ur mind in the future and do the e46 330,

[funkyman]

Which has less strain on engine internals 10psi of turbo boost or 10psi of supercharger boost or about the same stress levels for both set ups?

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

Which has less strain on engine internals 10psi of turbo boost or 10psi of supercharger boost or about the same stress levels for both set ups?

You are asking an extremely loaded question. 10 psi of boost with a good AFR (depending on the overall compression ratio could be 11-13 ~estimate~) at peak torque, can be much less detrimental than a slightly lean mixture (say 14.5) at 10 psi at peak HP (redline) on a centri.

You can't just compare boost straight up, a turbo spools (building peak boost) later than a twin screw or other positive displacement supercharger, but builds peak boost much earlier than a centrifugal supercharger - each has its own advantages.

[HPF Chris]

Which has less strain on engine internals 10psi of turbo boost or 10psi of supercharger boost or about the same stress levels for both set ups?

Engines typically fail immediately or within a few hundred miles of a catastrophic event. These can occur due for several reasons, the most common is pre-ignition caused by too much timing, too lean of a mixture, low grade fuel for the amount of boost run, and there are many other possibilities including oil impurities, low oil pressure, etc. etc.

Engines don't typically fail due to long term boosting as long as the above conditions don't exist, therefore engine stress is typical and variations in loading don't matter much for long term reliability.

For those considering running their S/C or turbo'd vehicles, tuning is critical. Everyone should run a wide-band and a boost gauge. The wide-band is the most important and should be used to verify you are always close to or richer than 11.5:1 under boost.

Timing must also be retarded as boost increases. The tuning shops most likely do this when they reflash your ECU with the S/C kits. If your timing is not retarded enough for the boost that you are running, you will get pre-ignition and possibly detonation. We set all of these up in our engine management system and modify them in 3 dimensions graphically and on the x-y axis. As far as timing is concerned, with our system, the knock sensors in your M3 transmit a signal back to our engine management system that is filtered and overlayed against a knock noise table that's we've configured to outline the normal engine vibrations and harmonics. At every millisecond, if the filtered signal from the knock sensors exceed our noise table, timing is pulled and extra fuel is injected to prevent engine damage.

This is really a long way of answering your question, but the reality is, if one was to run 10psi through a supercharger or turbocharger, with the same tuning methods employed with the same goals in mind, there would be absolutely no difference in engine life. If poor tuning methods are employed, both motors will go bye bye. If good tuning methods are employed, both motors will last as long as they would if they were runing no boost.

Take care,
Chris.

[jacques chirac]

Hi chris what about using titanium for rods ,valves springs ,valves.... I ve read that titanium is jackpot because its very light and very strong.Could a titanium valvetrain help the engine to manage the with the amount of power?

[toyrunr]

built motor

[Active Autowerke]

That is a sick kit, does it include cats or is there just a straight pipe? Also, is the 8000rpm redline retained b/c I know that in the AA stage 1 kit they limit it to only 7600 rpm.

We have used the stock rev limit for over 1.5 years right now. The first couple of kits had lowered rev limits on 01's because of rod bearing issue.

[HPF Chris]

Hi chris what about using titanium for rods ,valves springs ,valves.... I ve read that titanium is jackpot because its very light and very strong.Could a titanium valvetrain help the engine to manage the with the amount of power?

We generally don't run Titanium. It really isn't necessary unless you're trying to extract every last ounce out of a motor. We haven't even put an exhaust system on this car yet!

For stage 2, we will run stiffer valve springs to compensate for the increased pressure on the back side of the valves. We will probably stay with the 8,000rpm limit for stage 2. I think we'll still be able to get to 1000rwhp at 8,000rpm.

For stage 3 we will have to push the rpm limit out to 9000 or further.

Take care,
Chris.

[Rider Ryuga]

We generally don't run Titanium. It really isn't necessary unless you're trying to extract every last ounce out of a motor. We haven't even put an exhaust system on this car yet!

For stage 2, we will run stiffer valve springs to compensate for the increased pressure on the back side of the valves. We will probably stay with the 8,000rpm limit for stage 2. I think we'll still be able to get to 1000rwhp at 8,000rpm.

For stage 3 we will have to push the rpm limit out to 9000 or further.

Take care,
Chris.


Stage 3!?!?!?! :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

[///M3-QTR]

Stage 3!?!?!?! :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:


HmMmm .. ~1500rwhp ? :excited:

[funkyman]

Can`t you guys bore the cylinders for stage 3 and get more displacement i.e 3.5 liter as opposed to stock 3.2.

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

Can`t you guys bore the cylinders for stage 3 and get more displacement i.e 3.5 liter as opposed to stock 3.2.

Boring takes away from the wall thickness, in an iron black its not as critical, but I'm not sure there is room to bore and sleeve, and I'd be worried about over-boring that much.

[HPF Chris]

Stage 3!?!?!?! :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

Yep. That will be fun...

Here's an update.

Everyone has been asking for more videos, and to show that traction is possible in the lower gears, we have set up the car with new suspension, wheels and tires on our M3. We're running KW Variant 3 coil overs, Volk LE37T's, 19x8.5 - 19x10.5, and Michellin PS2's with 295's in the rear. We rolled the rear fenders to make them fit and will do some minor paint to the rear fenders where it flaked off.

We also just received our production injectors, so our fuel systems are ready to go for the kits.

Here are a few pics of the car now (the car hasn't been washed or waxed for months)

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFM3VolkKW2.jpg


http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFM3VolkKW1.jpg


http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFM3VolkKW3.jpg

Chris.

[supersickbimmer]

Looks alot better. Great job Chris.

[Rider Ryuga]

The car looks great Chris! Can't wait to see more videos :D :D :D

[tEckniks]

the race between the smg m3 vs turbo m3.. how come at the 2:45 mark it sounds like the stock m3 lets off for like a second and then goes again?

but the kit is pretty sick.. congrats

[HPF Kyle]

haha, he didnt let off :)

[HPF Chris]

Well, our production 750cc high impedance injectors are done and in stock and ready for the kit. I'll post up some pictures of those shortly.

In the pictures below, you'll see our race fuel switch and an LED is now designed directly into the steering column mounted gauge pod which includes both an AEM boost gauge and an AEM UEGO wide-band. This setup is completely plug n play and is included with every HPF M3 turbo kit. When the keyed switch is turned on, the LED on the column lights to alert you that you must have race fuel in the car. This prevents someone accidentally leaving the switch in the wrong setting. We chose a keyed option rather than a simple switch to prevent a teenager or valet attendant from running high boost when they aren't supposed to. The boost and wide-bands both show a digital readout in the middle of the gauge with LED's around the outer edge.

We're much closer to getting these kits done. We'll be getting our intake manifolds and electronics back very shortly and will be installing the first kit in a customers car very soon.

Here are a couple pictures..

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/PodWithSwitch.jpg
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/PodWithSwitch2.jpg

Take care,
Chris.

[ritos530i]

Damn will that fit my steering wheel Chris.
If so can i purchase this as a seperate item. I can purchase asap.

rito

[crazy1323]

isnt a 35psi boost gauge a little overkill. I would think more resolution from a 15psi gauge would be better.

[ice330ci05]

isnt a 35psi boost gauge a little overkill. I would think more resolution from a 15psi gauge would be better.

it could be a HINT lol :excited: :idea: :drool:

[HPF Chris]

Damn will that fit my steering wheel Chris.
If so can i purchase this as a seperate item. I can purchase asap.

rito

That pod is setup for the E46 M3. If you have an E46 M3, we do sell the pod with gauges separately. Here's a link.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/sale/HorsepowerFreaks/Gauges/Gauge_Pods/part/Wideband_and_Boost_Kit

crazy1323... In some cars, 35psi doesn't read high enough. For people with low compression engines that decide to run our turbo kit, the boost will be much higher.

Here's a picture of our new HorsepowerFreaks Feramic Clutch that we're running on our turbo'd E46 M3. This clutch has the most amazing driveability with completely stock engagement and still holds 671rwhp with ease. If anyone is smoking their current clutch with a supercharger kit or has a clutch that is close to slipping and are thinking about getting our turbo kit in the near future, give us a call and we'll get you hooked up with our complete E46 M3 clutch kit shown below for $795.

Here's a link to the clutch kit on our site.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/sale/HorsepowerFreaks/Clutch/Clutch_Kits/part/E46_M3_Feramic

Here's a video of the driveability with it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yRwAR0ZMhA

Here's a picture...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com\images\products\HorsepowerFreaks\Cl utch_Kits_E46_M3_Feramic_LRG.jpg

Take care,
Chris.

[funkyman]

What colour is the gauge at night i ike this gauge in this M3 E46 Turbo sick car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY1buNt7aKo

[HPF Chris]

Latest Update
--------------

1) Our new oil pump has arrived, and we've designed a bracket to mount it and sent that off to be built. We'll get that back in one week.
2) The special run of Tial BOV flanges is completed and will be here Friday.
3) Our first 2 aluminum intake manifolds will be done tomorrow. We're going to weld the Tial flanges on, and have one powdercoated in wrinkle black to match the valve cover, and the other one in glossy black. Those will be done by the end of next week.
4) We are scheduled to received our final EMS box 1 late this week.
5) We are scheduled to receive our final EMS box 2 middle of next week.
6) Our harnesses and EMS brackets are done for 2 kits.
7) Our new intercooler piping is almost done and should be finished late this week.
8) Our new intake system will be done late next week.
9) The body and paint work on our M3 is scheduled to be done by this weekend

This gives us 2 weeks after all the parts come in to get the car completely dialed with all of the new parts in time for Bimmerfest. We'll be there either way, as our existing parts work just fine. I just want to display the final product.

Take care,
Chris.

[tim330i]

Can't wait to see this thing at bimmerfest :)

Tim

[Rider Ryuga]

Thanks for the update Chris. I can't wait to see the final product :D

[Mike Benvo]

Looking great, keep it going :thumbup:

[Thats M Life]

video...video...video :excited: :hi:

:pimpin:

[HPF Chris]

Can't wait to see this thing at bimmerfest :)

Tim

Thanks Tim... Last years event was fantastic. I'm sure you'll do another great job putting this one together.

Rider Ryuga.... I'll post up some pictures later this week. All of our finalized parts are due in by the end of this week. I'm real excited to start running the production components on my M3. Then just final verification testing and we can begin installing them on our customers cars.

Rider Ryuga... Thanks.

Thats M Life... More videos will come very soon. We're wrapping this whole project up in the next couple weeks.

Take care,
Chris.

[M3tor2nR]

Stock M3 with HPF kit pushing 800BHP.

Move outta the way you ProCeded 335i's. Turbo M3 will eat you alive. :excited:

:bow:

[TaZaM3]

Chris how long do you think an AEM 02 will last running leaded 118 oct all the time?

[HPF Chris]

Stock M3 with HPF kit pushing 800BHP.

Move outta the way you ProCeded 335i's. Turbo M3 will eat you alive. :excited:

:bow:

He he. Thanks.

TaZaM3... The AEM wide-band will last a while (a few thousand miles) with leaded gas. If the wide-band sensor goes, the sensor itself can be replaced for $64. We're going to see if we can still make 600rwhp with 104 unleaded as well.

Take care,
Chris.

[TaZaM3]

He he. Thanks.

TaZaM3... The AEM wide-band will last a while (a few thousand miles) with leaded gas. If the wide-band sensor goes, the sensor itself can be replaced for $64. We're going to see if we can still make 600rwhp with 104 unleaded as well.

Take care,
Chris.

You should be able to, i made 503rwhp on 100 oct with 10psi on the SC. I think with the turbo your size you can do it on 100.

Cool, i was asking for personal reference. Ive heard of other guys using up the o2's every 3 weeks (just 1k miles), ill be running leaded most of the time so now i have to buy spare 02's...

[HPF Chris]

You should be able to, i made 503rwhp on 100 oct with 10psi on the SC. I think with the turbo your size you can do it on 100.

Cool, i was asking for personal reference. Ive heard of other guys using up the o2's every 3 weeks (just 1k miles), ill be running leaded most of the time so now i have to buy spare 02's...

It is definitely possible to use them up sooner especially for overly rich mixtures. Try to make the car as close to stoich on cruise and idle and that will help considerably.

We've made 515rwhp on 92 octane pump gas. I'd like to make 600rwhp on 100 octane. We'll find out here shortly.

Chris.

[HPF Chris]

The body work is done. Here are some pictures...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/publicimages/m3turbokit/dropped/HPFM3FrontLow.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/publicimages/m3turbokit/dropped/HPFM3Rear.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/publicimages/m3turbokit/dropped/HPFM3SideFront.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/publicimages/m3turbokit/dropped/HPFM3RearTop.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/publicimages/m3turbokit/dropped/HPFM3SideClose.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/publicimages/m3turbokit/dropped/HPFM3SideFacingRear.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/publicimages/m3turbokit/dropped/HPFM3Side.jpg

We look forward to seeing everyone at Bimmerfest.

Take care,
Chris.

[GodSendsDeath]

Man looks real nice guys. Deff like what you fellas over there are doing. Keep up the good work, very few company's like to try something diff like you at HPF.

[Rider Ryuga]

Looks awesome Chris :D

[Cruzer03]

Wow!

[MachRc]

HPF are gonna be @ Bimmerfest!!!!!


Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HPF Chris]

Thanks guys.

Here is a picture of our new 750cc high impedance injectors. Each turbo kit comes with a complete fuel system which includes 6 of these high flow injectors. They are custom designed and manufactured to replace the stock injectors without any changes to the manifold, fuel rail or injector clips. Idle quality is perfect, and they flow enough to make over 900rwhp.

We look forward to seeing everyone at Bimmerfest this year.

Take care,
Chris.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/publicimages/m3turbokit/HPF750cc.jpg

[HPF Chris]

We have finally finished the development of our engine management system for all BMW's from 1999 to 2005. This engine management system will come standard with all of our turbo kits, the first being released in June for the E46 M3.

This system is 100% plug-n-play, provides complete vanos control, drive by wire control, retains all factory functions including the dash, cruise control, etc, works off the existing coil packs, crank sensors, knock sensors, drives any injectors we choose, controls any turbo or supercharger system we add, drives our methanol kits, provides O2 feedback, knock control with fuel enrichment and ignition retard, multiple stage power levels for different fuels, precise boost control for all gears, allows removal of the factory MAF, datalogs all driving, and provides altitude and climate change corrections.

For those of you that want to see it, we'll have everything on the car and on display at Bimmerfest.

Here's a picture of the HorsepowerFreaks / AEM engine management system...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/hpfaem.jpg

[ritos530i]

Did i read this correctly? All bmwS from 1999-2005?
If i read correctly please PM me asap i want to buy.
Rito

[TaZaM3]

Great progress!

I forgot to ask, how is the stock ignition system? Lots of us SC guys needed better ignition coils as we were losing spark. Did you find any spark issues?

[HPF Chris]

Did i read this correctly? All bmwS from 1999-2005?
If i read correctly please PM me asap i want to buy.
Rito

Yes... we will be building turbo kits for those cars, but not selling the EMS individually.

TazM3... We have designed the system for the stock coil packs, so we don't need an auxiliary ignition system.

Here are some more pictures. This may help clear things up. Every kit will come with all of the electronics pre-assembled just like the 3rd picture. The main black bracket simply bolts in with 4 supplied bolts to pre-existing holes in the engine bay on the passenger side near the front windshield. The rest of the connectors and components simply plug right in. Every wire is labelled, every connector has heat shrink wrap, every wire is wire-loomed, in several places shielded wire is used, ring terminals are already attached and labeled, fuses are affixed to the bracket and pre-wired, the fuel pump and oil pump relays are attached to the bracket and pre-wired, the map sensors for the boost gauge and EMS are affixed to the bracket and pre-wired, the exact BMW connector is attached, loomed and pre-wired, the race fuel switch is pre-wired with a connector, the intake air temp sensor is pre-wired and labeled and simply screws into our intake manifold which is also labeled, the boost control solenoid is also pre-wired and labeled, and the fuel pump trigger is pre-wired that turns the extra fuel pump on at 3psi. The EMS comes programmed for the car, and is already calibrated for every sensor used and the rest of the turbo system.

Chris.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSStandUp.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSFlat.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSAndHarness.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSInstalled.jpg

[TaZaM3]

Awesome work man.

[MarvelPhx]

Wow, now that is very impressive!

[OCswedishM3]

Yes... we will be building turbo kits for those cars, but not selling the EMS individually.

TazM3... We have designed the system for the stock coil packs, so we don't need an auxiliary ignition system.

Here are some more pictures. This may help clear things up. Every kit will come with all of the electronics pre-assembled just like the 3rd picture. The main black bracket simply bolts in with 4 supplied bolts to pre-existing holes in the engine bay on the passenger side near the front windshield. The rest of the connectors and components simply plug right in. Every wire is labelled, every connector has heat shrink wrap, every wire is wire-loomed, in several places shielded wire is used, ring terminals are already attached and labeled, fuses are affixed to the bracket and pre-wired, the fuel pump and oil pump relays are attached to the bracket and pre-wired, the map sensors for the boost gauge and EMS are affixed to the bracket and pre-wired, the exact BMW connector is attached, loomed and pre-wired, the race fuel switch is pre-wired with a connector, the intake air temp sensor is pre-wired and labeled and simply screws into our intake manifold which is also labeled, the boost control solenoid is also pre-wired and labeled, and the fuel pump trigger is pre-wired that turns the extra fuel pump on at 3psi. The EMS comes programmed for the car, and is already calibrated for every sensor used and the rest of the turbo system.

Chris.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSStandUp.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSFlat.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSAndHarness.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSInstalled.jpg

:bow:

[pei330ci]

Wow is right!

I'm impressed.

[ritos530i]

While i was admiring the EMS i forgot to say what an excellant job you guys have done.

Chris thanks for the reply

[///JTM3]

Wow that looks expensive.

[Rider Ryuga]

Looks terrific Chris :D

[aeon]

i read this thread top to bottom, and still have a question (although i may have missed it)...

you guys ARE lowering the compression of the s54 right?!

[supersickbimmer]

i read this thread top to bottom, and still have a question (although i may have missed it)...

you guys ARE lowering the compression of the s54 right?!

Not for stages 1 & 2. Only the 1000rwhp stage 3.

[HPF Chris]

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/HorsepowerFreaks/Turbo_Kits_HPF_750_LRG.jpg

[HPF Chris]

Here are some pictures of the installation of this kit on a customers car. We installed the gauges today, and are finishing up some of the other components.

Chris

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/jimmygauges1.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/jimmygauges2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/jimmygauges3.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/jimmygauges4.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/jimmygauges5.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/jimmygauges6.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/jimmygauges7.jpg

[HPF Chris]

Here's some more pics of Jim's gorgeous 2006 M3 right before the turbo install.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/JimmyOutside3.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/JimmyOutside4.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/JimmyOutside2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/JimmyOutside1.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/Shop2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/Shop1.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/JimmySide.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/JimmySide3.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/JimmySide2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmym3/SideBySide.jpg

Take care,
Chris.

[HPF Chris]

Here are a few shots of the engine bay.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmyM3/jimmyfrontengine.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmyM3/jimmyfrontengine2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmyM3/jimmyfrontengine3.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/jimmyM3/jimmyinjectors.jpg

[Mike Benvo]

Impressive.

[HPF Chris]

We're nearing the design completion for our E46 M3 ceramic coated turbo manifold and I thought I'd post up a couple pictures. We've been working with 3 separate designs over the past few months to create the most warpage resistant, temperature resistant, highest flowing, extremely rigid to support the turbo weight, and precisely consistent from manifold to manifold that maximizes the limited space available, provides easy installation, and doesn't require removal of the A/C or any other stock functionality.

The pictures below are a multi piece CNC machined steel turbo manifold that our turbo kits will be coming with. We're at the tail end of the design phase and expect to have a working manifold in a few more weeks.

Take care,
Chris.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFTurboManifold1.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFTurboManifold2.jpg

[e popa]

Looks good Chris.

[02black330ci]

Any updates Chris or HP numbers for the 2nd build car?