Remote mounted turbo

[Oshin02]

What do you guys think? http://www.ststurbo.com/home....Thinking of the fact that we have little room to work with, what do you guys think of this layout in our cars.......just a thought

-Oshin P.

[photogenic]

What do you guys think? http://www.ststurbo.com/home....Thinking of the fact that we have little room to work with, what do you guys think of this layout in our cars.......just a thought

-Oshin P.


You know remote mouted turbos are a pretty great idea considering how hot it can get down there. I mean I havn't seen a BMW that doesnt already run hot enough you know? So why risk melting your headlights? I wish I could talk to you about this in real time but i guess this will just have to do.

I was planning on a 6 pipe collector into a Y pipe with a wastegate and a turbo then staright pipe to the back. It'll provide great cooling and You risk a less amount of melting something Unless you get a vented hood which pushes air down into the ground. But i've seen how hot it can get and its not something I want to put my tongue on in the winter.

So remote mounting is great. Unless you want a metled airpump.

also ive seen remote mounting on the m3 and some other applications so yeah. Great piost Oshin.

[GodSendsDeath]

Call them see if they got something for your car.

[dreamdrivedrift]

wouldn't it be laggy as hell due to long pipes running fron the turbo back to the intake mani?

[ritos530i]

Actually this is under work for about $5500. I have a guy down in Florida doing the retrofit for the setup strictly for BMW's.
He is working on the 3series currently. There is less lag with this setup than other turbo systems and it will put out some series numbers for our cars.
Just go to the site and contact them about the topic. They should refer you to the guy in Florida, if not just ask for his information. He is also doing the tuning for the ECU as well. This is a great setup for those of you who do not have anything available for your car yet. Just well in the place of your muffler and run the tubing to your TB. you will have to retrofit the map sensor. They with 5 psi springs but they will ship the higher level springs if requested. But the most of our cars can handle 4-5 psi without much adjustments to the ecu. But if you really want to go high psi you could use a piggyback.

If anyone wants to know more just contact the website contact and they can explain better.

Photogenic, Don't knock it yet. This may be something you would want to look into for your project.
Send me a pm and i will explain further.

Rito

[BMW_SSG]

WOW, I went on the site and listened to the Corvette, GREAT sound clip!

[m3mobbin]

Remote mounted turbos do have some advantages, mainly an easier installation but they don't seem like a good idea in a BMW imo. STS builds their kits for big ass V8's that move a ton of air, but on our smaller inline sixes we'll experience more lag than a standard mounted turbo because the farther you mount the turbo away from the motor the more heat you will lose (Second law of thermodynamics) and the more power you will lose to spool up the turbo.

On V8's the remote mount is a great idea since it is alot easier designing that kind of system than a twin turbo setup or a really long single turbo manifold. That's not a big problem on an inline six so it really isn't that great of an idea...

[M3LTDOWN]

Remote mounted turbos do have some advantages, mainly an easier installation but they don't seem like a good idea in a BMW imo. STS builds their kits for big ass V8's that move a ton of air, but on our smaller inline sixes we'll experience more lag than a standard mounted turbo because the farther you mount the turbo away from the motor the more heat you will lose (Second law of thermodynamics) and the more power you will lose to spool up the turbo.

On V8's the remote mount is a great idea since it is alot easier designing that kind of system than a twin turbo setup or a really long single turbo manifold. That's not a big problem on an inline six so it really isn't that great of an idea...

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[photogenic]

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Oshin i need to talk to you. IM me around 9pm and over.

[SL Blak Soldier]

doesn't the long intake/exhaust pipes mean more lag? nvm already answered.

[ritos530i]

STS turbos are not like any other turbo They are design for the long tubing. You can not take any turbo and set it up this way is my point.
You guys need to do your home work before you post things you are not educated on. This is not meant to affend anyone but it never fails someone comes on here with their theory/logic and have no real evidence.

Just call and talk with the guy he will explain. They have a guy that is doing the retrofit for bmw as we speak

[LagunaBlau///M3]

there is 2 cars around me that have these STS systems on it...one is a camaro and other is a firebird......ive heard of the firebird not running right and having problems...but that has only been through people

[tim330i]

I don't see how this wouldn't lag like crazy.

Tim

[ritos530i]

I don't see how this wouldn't lag like crazy.

Tim

Tim,
As I mention in a earlier post, it is a special turbo design specifically for the long tubing. It is not like conventional turbos that we see being install with kits.
You can not get this setup from Greddy and the only people who have access to it is STS themselves. I would go to the site and give them a call to inquire more about the kit, as you know more about what to ask.

Let me know what you think after talking with them and finding out more.

[dreamdrivedrift]

Wouldn't the turbo get banged to hell from driving around..over speed bumps?

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

Tim,
As I mention in a earlier post, it is a special turbo design specifically for the long tubing. It is not like conventional turbos that we see being install with kits.
You can not get this setup from Greddy and the only people who have access to it is STS themselves. I would go to the site and give them a call to inquire more about the kit, as you know more about what to ask.

Let me know what you think after talking with them and finding out more.

Sounds like its just a smaller turbo that spools faster...there isn't any "crazy" technology out side of the new porsche turbo's.

That said, I always thought a remote mount would be better. You could put a water/air exchanger under the car as well, with enough header wrap and stuff it wouldn't heat soak, and then you just come up the drivers side of the engine, through the maf, and in like a long tube cold air intake. There would be some lag, more than a regular turbo setup, but the assembly is much more DIY friendly, and if you got an Exclaim type of system, you could find a local Japanese tuner to get some base maps together for you.

[ritos530i]

Just to add a point. you will not have the lag as a normal turbo. boost starts around 2500-2800 rpms depending on what size tubing you go with. The larger the tubing going to the intake the more lag you will have, the smaller the tubing the less. I recommend a 2 1/2 tubing. Now don't get me wrong some times larger is better, like as you come up in the engine bay into the TB.
Another note to add is, before you start the install i would prep for the Maf fitting which is the most difficult part in the fabrication phase. Plan out all the connections with measurements for the MAF, PCV, and the amount of area you have to work with inside the engine bay. You will have to remove all the air box connections to get an accurate measurement. Figure out what route you will use coming into the engine bay, the rest of the fitting is cut and dry from that point. Just have a good welder that is very creative.

The latest kits are already coming out with the shield for the filter so you will not have to be concern with this. Again none of this will work without tuning (Remap/Piggyback), however i did read somewhere that N/A motors do not need any tuning up to 4.5psi which may suit you getting started. Tuning is always recommending when doing Turbo/Superchargers. You can dial in at 0-15psi with the basic kit, which most of us will be super happy with. Here is the link for FAQ http://www.ststurbo.com/f_a_q

Don't just speculate about the setup based on other Turbo systems because they are so different.
I am still learning a lot about the system too so I would not quote me on everything i say without checking with the people that makes the kit.



Hope this is helpful.

Rito

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

Just to add a point. you will not have the lag as a normal turbo. boost starts around 2500-2800 rpms depending on what size tubing you go with. The larger the tubing going to the intake the more lag you will have, the smaller the tubing the less. I recommend a 2 1/2 tubing. Now don't get me wrong some times larger is better, like as you come up in the engine bay into the TB.
Another note to add is, before you start the install i would prep for the Maf fitting which is the most difficult part in the fabrication phase. Plan out all the connections with measurements for the MAF, PCV, and the amount of area you have to work with inside the engine bay. You will have to remove all the air box connections to get an accurate measurement. Figure out what route you will use coming into the engine bay, the rest of the fitting is cut and dry from that point. Just have a good welder that is very creative.

The latest kits are already coming out with the shield for the filter so you will not have to be concern with this. Again none of this will work without tuning (Remap/Piggyback), however i did read somewhere that N/A motors do not need any tuning up to 4.5psi which may suit you getting started. Tuning is always recommending when doing Turbo/Superchargers. You can dial in at 0-15psi with the basic kit, which most of us will be super happy with. Here is the link for FAQ http://www.ststurbo.com/f_a_q

Don't just speculate about the setup based on other Turbo systems because they are so different.
I am still learning a lot about the system too so I would not quote me on everything i say without checking with the people that makes the kit.



Hope this is helpful.

RitoBTW I didn't mean to be downing on the kit if it seemed like I was.

I've been toying with new cars for a while and was heavily considering a GTO with either the magnacharger or the STS kit + tuning (or simply a knockoff of their kit).

I think that this is a better DIY kit, you could run a separate oiling system even (get a pump and a cooler) if you wanted to avoid oil taps and such.

[ritos530i]

No buddy i did not find you offensive at all.
I was just clearing this for everyone because i think it would be a good option since the E46 330s and a few others are not getting the attention they deserve. Its far more cheaper than the all the other kits. I was highly impressed with the TS kits both AA and ESS. They did a great job but offered nothing for my car within reason. AA would do a kit for me but i did not want to send my car to them for two to four weeks. So i got proactive and started doing my own homework and seeing what's out there for me. I think it is so funny how Honda, gm, ford have tons of after market product for their cars and it does not cost half of your car price to get the power levels you want. People see the word BMW owner and they automatically want to charge you more.