HorsepowerFreaks/AEM BMW Engine Management Pictures

[HPF Chris]

We have finally finished the development of our engine management system for all BMW's from 1999 to 2005. This engine management system will come standard with all of our turbo kits, the first being released in June for the E46 M3.

This system is 100% plug-n-play, provides complete vanos control, drive by wire control, retains all factory functions including the dash, cruise control, etc, works off the existing coil packs, crank sensors, knock sensors, drives any injectors we choose, controls any turbo or supercharger system we add, drives our methanol kits, provides O2 feedback, knock control with fuel enrichment and ignition retard, multiple stage power levels for different fuels, precise boost control for all gears, allows removal of the factory MAF, datalogs all driving, and provides altitude and climate change corrections.

For those of you that want to see it, we'll have everything on the car and on display at Bimmerfest.

Here's a picture of the HorsepowerFreaks / AEM engine management system...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/hpfaem.jpg

[Nico3k]

Awesome, can't wait to see it...

[ridin325]

Will you be able to purchase this unit by itself and how much will it be if you can.

[HPF Chris]

Will you be able to purchase this unit by itself and how much will it be if you can.

We are not planning on selling these separately, but we are planning on using it to create turbo kits for all BMW's between 1999 and 2005.

Take care,
Chris.

[ice330ci05]

We are not planning on selling these separately, but we are planning on using it to create turbo kits for all BMW's between 1999 and 2005.

Take care,
Chris.

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[GodSendsDeath]

Ok there we go, a Twin Turbo for a 2.5 2005 Z4 please.

[Skeeter]

turbo zhpeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Ervin87]

Wow.

:bow:

[ritos530i]

We have finally finished the development of our engine management system for all BMW's from 1999 to 2005. This engine management system will come standard with all of our turbo kits, the first being released in June for the E46 M3.

This system is 100% plug-n-play, provides complete vanos control, drive by wire control, retains all factory functions including the dash, cruise control, etc, works off the existing coil packs, crank sensors, knock sensors, drives any injectors we choose, controls any turbo or supercharger system we add, drives our methanol kits, provides O2 feedback, knock control with fuel enrichment and ignition retard, multiple stage power levels for different fuels, precise boost control for all gears, allows removal of the factory MAF, datalogs all driving, and provides altitude and climate change corrections.

For those of you that want to see it, we'll have everything on the car and on display at Bimmerfest.

Here's a picture of the HorsepowerFreaks / AEM engine management system...

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/hpfaem.jpg
Nice, What if i do my own turbo but use your ems to tune the car?

[HPF Chris]

Here are some more pictures. This may help clear things up. Every kit will come with all of the electronics pre-assembled just like the 3rd picture. The main black bracket simply bolts in with 4 supplied bolts to pre-existing holes in the engine bay on the passenger side near the front windshield. The rest of the connectors and components simply plug right in. Every wire is labelled, every connector has heat shrink wrap, every wire is wire-loomed, in several places shielded wire is used, ring terminals are already attached and labeled, fuses are affixed to the bracket and pre-wired, the fuel pump and oil pump relays are attached to the bracket and pre-wired, the map sensors for the boost gauge and EMS are affixed to the bracket and pre-wired, the exact BMW connector is attached, loomed and pre-wired, the race fuel switch is pre-wired with a connector, the intake air temp sensor is pre-wired and labeled and simply screws into our intake manifold which is also labeled, the boost control solenoid is also pre-wired and labeled, and the fuel pump trigger is pre-wired that turns the extra fuel pump on at 3psi. The EMS comes programmed for the car, and is already calibrated for every sensor used and the rest of the turbo system.

Chris.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSStandUp.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSFlat.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSAndHarness.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFEMSInstalled.jpg

[Skeeter]

yes yes yes!!!

[01325iSil]

Is this only for the m3, or is it just coming out for the m3 first. I am in the process of building a turbo kit for my 325i 3.0 and have been looking for an ecu or some type of standalone. Will this affect inspection or anything like that.

Thanks

[ALPIN3]

At long last ...the 323 shall be a thing of beauty. :D

Turbo'd non-Ms for everyone! Can't wait.

[hi its me alec]

oh my goodness

[GodSendsDeath]

HPF I think there is alot of potential in the non M market here. This just looks to good to be true.

[AS007]

What will the pricing on these kits be? Also any idea when the non-M kits will be availible?

[ALPIN3]

What will the pricing on these kits be? Also any idea when the non-M kits will be availible?

I would guess no less than a year or two from now. Sad...but true. Development and testing of a demo car should take at least that long. :(

[ALPIN3]

For those of you that want to see it, we'll have everything on the car and on display at Bimmerfest.


Will free rides be given in said vehicle? :eeps:

I so have to buy new wheels before bimmerfest. :(

[HPF Chris]

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/HorsepowerFreaks/Turbo_Kits_HPF_750_LRG.jpg

[silver///M3]

Amaizing picture :)

[mikepbrooks]

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/HorsepowerFreaks/Turbo_Kits_HPF_750_LRG.jpg

LMAO :rofl: YOU CAN SEE A WHITE SUPRA OF YOUR BIMMERS REFLECTIONS ...gotta love it!

[Gotboost15psi]

you gotta be completely out of your mind to spend $16,000 on a turbokit. Not even the Dodge Viper stage 4 twin turbo kit rated at 2300hp is that much. Think about what you can do with 16,000 dollar. They're obviously making the price so high because they know theres that bird brain white boy named billy that knows nothing about cars and willing to spend $20,000 on his pet hampster if he had the money.:hi: They are pricing the kit by the hp produced rather the actual value of the item. If the engine could support up to lets see.....500hp, do you think they would sale that kit at that price? Smart move if you ask me. They are the only one IN THE WORLD :read: with a plug and play system for the e46 knowing people are searching heaven and hell to find a system that will work for the E46. In reality you are paying 12,000 on the Plug and play unit and 4,000 on the turbo kit. Think about it......:idea:

[pei330ci]

you gotta be completely out of your mind to spend $16,000 on a turbokit. Not even the Dodge Viper stage 4 twin turbo kit rated at 2300hp is that much. Think about what you can do with 16,000 dollar. They're obviously making the price so high because they know theres that bird brain white boy named billy that knows nothing about cars and willing to spend $20,000 on his pet hampster if he had the money.:hi: They are pricing the kit by the hp produced rather the actual value of the item. If the engine could support up to lets see.....500hp, do you think they would sale that kit at that price? Smart move if you ask me. They are the only one IN THE WORLD :read: with a plug and play system for the e46 knowing people are searching heaven and hell to find a system that will work for the E46. In reality you are paying 12,000 on the Plug and play unit and 4,000 on the turbo kit. Think about it......:idea:

You don't understand the costs involved, so I can understand your misinformed comments.

I would buy this kit.

[ritos530i]

They probably spent so much money in R&D for a system like this that they have to make up for the cost and fast that is. So i understand the concept but in all honesty I would say that the plug and play AEM is 5k by it self and to add on the turbo they are using, 1500 to 4k but i don't really know this. But that is not the only thing you will be getting. 900 bucks for the injectors. 200 for the oil pump, ? pipe work I could see how cost could add up but it doesn't make since to produce a kit like this for the budget minded guys. Now for the deep pockets that's another story.

[plaroud]

you gotta be completely out of your mind to spend $16,000 on a turbokit. Not even the Dodge Viper stage 4 twin turbo kit rated at 2300hp is that much. Think about what you can do with 16,000 dollar. They're obviously making the price so high because they know theres that bird brain white boy named billy that knows nothing about cars and willing to spend $20,000 on his pet hampster if he had the money.:hi: They are pricing the kit by the hp produced rather the actual value of the item. If the engine could support up to lets see.....500hp, do you think they would sale that kit at that price? Smart move if you ask me. They are the only one IN THE WORLD :read: with a plug and play system for the e46 knowing people are searching heaven and hell to find a system that will work for the E46. In reality you are paying 12,000 on the Plug and play unit and 4,000 on the turbo kit. Think about it......:idea:

Stage 2 s/c kits go for around $11k with some companies and some other stage 1 go for $10k.

[KamPow3r]

Dodge Viper stage 4 twin turbo kit rated at 2300hp less than $16k...show me please

[Lay2Low]

Although the price of the HPF kit is high, all the components seem to be of the highest quality. How much time and money do you think was spent on just the exhaust manifold and intake manifold? Let alone the tuning that was involved to get the M3 to actually boost correctly. The reason why not a lot of turbos have been produced is due to tuning, and they have nailed it.

All in all, I would say that the HPF kit is stunning and you know you are getting nothing short of top notch with their kit! And, it is COMPLETELY bolt on, gotta love it...

[ritos530i]

Although the price of the HPF kit is high, all the components seem to be of the highest quality. How much time and money do you think was spent on just the exhaust manifold and intake manifold? Let alone the tuning that was involved to get the M3 to actually boost correctly. The reason why not a lot of turbos have been produced is due to tuning, and they have nailed it.

All in all, I would say that the HPF kit is stunning and you know you are getting nothing short of top notch with their kit! And, it is COMPLETELY bolt on, gotta love it...


I am knocking HPF and i don't even have a M3. But nothing upsets me more than to have someone use the quote "high quality kit" They are all High quality kits if you ask the manufactor so to use that as an excuse to charge more is insane. I have been trying to mode my car for a while now and everything i ask a shop to help they say no because its a BMW or want to charge more just because its a BMW. I say it's no difficult to design an intake for a BMW than it is for any other car. they all have to be fabbed to connect to the head/cylinders and any good muffler show can fab an exhaust for a few hundred bucks. The only thing it can get expensive when you start mass producing something but seems you can get a discount for mass production.

Again i don't have any issues with HPF cost but people don't understand everything is high quality stuff if you ask the manufactor and know one really know until they have an issue or something goes wrong. Nothing is fail proof!

[Lay2Low]

I agree with you, and I never aid anything about another vendor not producing a high quality kit. All I am saying is that they have not seemed to cheese out on any parts of the kit, and it looks like they have done their research and have made some pretty trick parts.

And like the saying goes, the first people always pay for the research...

[ritos530i]

I agree with you, and I never aid anything about another vendor not producing a high quality kit. All I am saying is that they have not seemed to cheese out on any parts of the kit, and it looks like they have done their research and have made some pretty trick parts.

Nope problem i was just saying and did not really mean to call anyone out but I have never heard a vendor not referring to their product as not being high quality even when others may say it's crap.

And like the saying goes, the first people always pay for the research...
I have to agree with this.

[pei330ci]

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I have to agree with this.

He he yeah, of course you do. Cause you are paying for it right now... :)

[ritos530i]

He he yeah, of course you do. Cause you are paying for it right now... :)
YeaP i am paying for the cost to play with the big boys But i am loving it.

[rage2]

I say it's no difficult to design an intake for a BMW than it is for any other car. they all have to be fabbed to connect to the head/cylinders and any good muffler show can fab an exhaust for a few hundred bucks.
If you think all it takes to design an intake is to connect it to the head/cylinders, you're seriously mistaken. I've been tuning street, drag, and roadrace Hondas since the Honda turbo fad began, and some of the designs that are out there has literally zero R&D time, just looks pretty. I've seen intake manifolds flow 20% more in cylinder 1 vs 4, which makes it really difficult to tune properly unless the ECU can trim individual cylinders for fuel/timing. Not to mention boost would be limited to the cylinder with the highest flow, which makes less power out of the other cylinders, affecting overall power, heat, cooling, etc. There's a lot of metal shops that'll be more than happy to build you a custom intake for the M3, but it's not going to work properly. Same goes for exhaust (in this case, the turbo manifold), having a design that can flow nicely and bleed off to the wastegate properly is not easy. I can't count how many cars I've done with ebay or handbuilt manifolds that can't exceed a certain boost level because it can't bleed off well enough to the wastegate causing boost overshoot.

So you are correct that it's no harder to do on a BMW vs say a Honda, but 90% of the Honda ones out there that are cheap are utter crap. HPF claims they addressed these issues in their intake and exhaust manifolds. Of course we don't know it's true or not without flow testing, but with their designs on a CAD system they must've at least done some CFD testing on it. It's a hell of a lot more than the designs I've seen for other cars, which literally is designed by a guy where the only constraint is fitment and looks.

From what I've seen in this thread, HPF has spent considerable amounts of time and money with R&D on this kit, much higher quality than kits for other cars. So I can see why their kit costs so much. Try asking around to see how much it costs to produce something simple on a CAD/CNC system, and you'll have a rough idea how much money went into the design of this thing.

[ritos530i]

Rage,
There is no question that HPF product is high quality and probably the best system available to the M3s so i wouldn't fix my mouth to say other words. What i do know is they are not the only ones that can do this.
As in the honda cars, well their product is massed product and you can find their stuff in Autozone or something like this. I can easily see how some of the after market product could come out wrong or jacked up but they do have some high quality product for hondas too. I just wouldn't be driving one.

Well i probably should have not commented in this thread because i have no arguement about the product.

[Gotboost15psi]

ROFL i just found out vanos is not even controlled. They gave a total bullshit on that.

[HPF Chris]

ROFL i just found out vanos is not even controlled. They gave a total bullshit on that.

Not sure why this old thread was posted on, but I'll give you a reply to this question.

The AEM's on the market today do not control Vanos, nor do they hook up to a factory BMW.

However... Our HPF EMS that comes with our turbo kits does control Vanos on both cams. We control each of them on an X-Y plane X being rpm, Y being boost. We have +- 20 degrees to play with. This is one of the main reasons we're able to make so much power at so a low amount of boost.

Take care,
Chris.

[Rayce185]

So, can we expect any non-M turbo kits in 2008?

[Gotboost15psi]

you guys would be very suprised to see whats inside the "HPF" aem ecu.

[HPF Chris]

ROFL i just found out vanos is not even controlled. They gave a total bullshit on that.
you guys would be very suprised to see whats inside the "HPF" aem ecu.

You caught us. It's just a black box with nothing in it. It looks really cool though, huh?

Chris.

So, can we expect any non-M turbo kits in 2008?

The non-M kits aren't going to be done in 2008. We've just been overwhelmed with work on M3's and it is slowed our progress on the E39 M5 twin turbo kits. My best guess would be late 2009. I will change my signature to reflect this.

Chris.

[jacobs323i]

Not sure why this old thread was posted on, but I'll give you a reply to this question.

The AEM's on the market today do not control Vanos, nor do they hook up to a factory BMW.

However... Our HPF EMS that comes with our turbo kits does control Vanos on both cams. We control each of them on an X-Y plane X being rpm, Y being boost. We have +- 20 degrees to play with. This is one of the main reasons we're able to make so much power at so a low amount of boost.

Take care,
Chris.
This is just not true aem through evo sport has a plug and play system that controls all factory functions on a factory dme bmw, although i am not sure about vanos control