VF-Engineering E46 M3 Beta Stage 2 SC, experiences and comparo's...

[DLSJ5]

I've had the VFE Stage 2 for a decent amount of time now and have been very happy with the results. I've driven the car hard whenever possible. :D With the recent beta file, the car has ran flawlessly, very smooth and is much quicker than the previous Stage 1 setup.

With Stage 1 the car dynoed 398WHP at 5.3 psi, that was on the stock headers/cats/exhaust and the 7700 rev limiit, very similiar to what every VF Stage 1 car has produced on VF's dyno. I did a few pulls with some friends that have AA Stage 1,2 & 3 cars and the results were very good in comparison.

Since then I've been running the Stage 2 with the inital beta tune and 7950 rev limit. We dynoed the car and hit 430WHP at approx 7.3 psi or so, AFR was around 12.1, the dyno took place in at least 80+ degree temps, this all on stock headers/cats/exhaust.

Furthur tuning needs to be finished. I'm now running SS headers and euro cats which should yield a bit more power. I'm hoping for 450WHP+ on 91 octane when all is said and done. The good news is VF/GIAC will be tuning for stock headers and cats, euro headers and high flow cats, as well as a 93 octane file, in the final phase of tuning for stage 2. :)

During these hot summer months I've noticed that the coolant temp was getting a little hotter than normal with the A/C on. I was running the BHS underdrive pullies at the time. I decided to take off the pullies to see if this would rectify the issue, and walla problem solved. In the process it seems as if I have picked a little boost too, I'm hitting 7.5 psi now. :)

More tuning should start this week and I will post any new results. I have done a few comparo's to check gains and where the car stands against some very quick to fast cars. Here are the comparo's below, enjoy.

Modded E60 M5, next time I'll start in the same gear as my opponent. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzZJP6MS8I

Active Autowerke's Stage 3 Supercharger. Neither Hunter or I started at the same time on each run lol, next time we'll get some better starts, sorry guys. :( I had a passanger and he was solo. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZhgZ933-E4

This 380WHP E39 M5 was no joke, sounds sick too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENf6ShGgWIM

Vishnu Procede 335I with bolt ons and new FMIC. Sherwin's car seems to be the quickest modded 335I from all the previous meets we've had. :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOOvs-alr8

Here's another view from Sher's 335I. :)

http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s235/WalkedU/?action=view&current=Picture018.flv

This particular S4 has pulled on a C6 Z06 and ran about even with a Stage 3 996TT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDUiG6KJGlk

A two gear pull with a crazy fast C5 Z06, we had to slow down and couldn't finish the pull. If we had kept going he would have pulled a few CLth's I'm sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf1mrZPNp0c

I also ran a 470WHP 300Z, and we were Even, no vids though. :(

Hopefully after the Stage 2 tuning is complete, I should have more vids coming against a stock, Stage 2 and Stage 3 996TT, Gallardo, and 997TT as well.

[DLSJ5]

Here's the dyno on stage 2, this was with stock headers/cats/exhaust, BHS UDP's and approx 7 - 7.3 psi, it was very hot in the dyno room as well.

http://vf-engineering.com/unsecured/E46M3/m3_stg2_testing.jpg

[///JTM3]

Great write up Drew :thumbsup:

[///ArmanD]

lol VF > AA, no offense to Mike and Hovo:hi:

[autobred]

Wow, you owned that AA setup:hmm:, whether he jumped or you jumped:4ngie:, the outcome was clear:str8pimpi, thanks for sharing:thumbsup:

[///JTM3]

lol VF > AA, no offense to Mike and Hovo:hi:

Def VF has a great product.... and i love what they have done to "Drews retarded car"... But we still havent seen what other VF cars can do.. Im always down for friendly comparos...we still havnt found other VF cars that want to join.. Untill then its "Drew's Retarded Car">AA

:thumbsup:

[DLSJ5]

Johnny's right we do need to get another VF car to compare. Regardless AA makes a fantastic product and are a great company, they def were the leaders when it comes to FI on the S54. :thumbsup:

[Mliner]

Here's the dyno on stage 2, this was with stock headers/cats/exhaust, BHS UDP's and approx 7 - 7.3 psi, it was very hot in the dyno room as well.

http://vf-engineering.com/unsecured/E46M3/m3_stg2_testing.jpg

What about the 1st and 3rd run.

[DLSJ5]

What about the 1st and 3rd run.

Will you stop it with the dyno's Bro, lol. I have yet to see one dyno or comparo from you! We're still in the Beta phase, we'll get more dyno's, etc up after final tuning is done, this is just a taste. The comparo's speak louder than the dyno anyway, honestly I don't care about dyno's, as much as I do comparo's, regardless we made more power than stage 1 in hotter temps that's all that matters to me. :)

[b0ki]

Very nice bro.... something tells me the VF kit is much better then AA.... i dont know what it is.... the unite it self or the tuning... or maybe the WIC.

[DLSJ5]

Very nice bro.... something tells me the VF kit is much better then AA.... i dont know what it is.... the unite it self or the tuning... or maybe the WIC.

Thx Bro, and will you get off your ass and shoot some more vids!!! :D I want to see you run a Z06. :thumbsup:

[jmciver]

Nice write up. But I have been meaning to ask you, how is your boost being measured, do you have a gauge in your car? Before the RPM increase, I would see a peak boost of 6 (at the rev limit) and after the RPM upgrade I saw 6.5 psi. So either my boost gauge is off or I have some kind of factory freak.

My boost readings have always been higher than the published numbers (not that I am complaining :) ) and now my current peak boost is only 1 psi less than your Stage II.....:hmm:....

[DaN_the_MaN]

Nice. Do you have better gearing than the 350Z?

[DLSJ5]

Nice. Do you have better gearing than the 350Z?

Yes, I'm pretty sure and the Z owner even made that point. :)

[DaN_the_MaN]

Yes, I'm pretty sure and the Z owner even made that point. :)
Was the Z Twin Turbo? I see that you have 3.91 gears, what is the stock ratio? Did you feel a difference when you put it in?

[DLSJ5]

Nice write up. But I have been meaning to ask you, how is your boost being measured, do you have a gauge in your car? Before the RPM increase, I would see a peak boost of 6 (at the rev limit) and after the RPM upgrade I saw 6.5 psi. So either my boost gauge is off or I have some kind of factory freak.

My boost readings have always been higher than the published numbers (not that I am complaining :) ) and now my current peak boost is only 1 psi less than your Stage II.....:hmm:....

Thx James.

I have a square digital gauge I picked up from dynotunenitrous. The 5.3 psi was read from the 1st VF dyno and their gauge. When I ran stage 1 I saw about that as well, never saw 6 psi when I had the stage 1 pulley even with the higher rev limit on this gauge. With this new stage 2 pulley and after I removed the BHS UDP's, I did see 7.8 but that was hitting the rev limiter and right at sea level, I didn't complain about that either. :D It's usually in the 7.5 - 7.6 range.

You will love stage 2 bro, hang in there. :)

[DLSJ5]

Was the Z Twin Turbo? I see that you have 3.91 gears, what is the stock ratio? Did you feel a difference when you put it in?

It was a twin turbo 300Z, the owner has trapped 120+ at LACR, very fast. When I was Stage 1 he got me good.

[jmciver]

Thx James.

I have a square digital gauge I picked up from dynotunenitrous. The 5.3 psi was read from the 1st VF dyno and their gauge. When I ran stage 1 I saw about that as well, never saw 6 psi when I had the stage 1 pulley even with the higher rev limit on this gauge. With this new stage 2 pulley and after I removed the BHS UDP's, I did see 7.8 but that was hitting the rev limiter and right at sea level, I didn't complain about that either. :D It's usually in the 7.5 - 7.6 range.

You will love stage 2 bro, hang in there. :)
Hmm.....I didn't think about the sea level aspect (I am at sea level). What is the elevation of Anaheim? Also where do you (and VF) tap boost from? I know elevation matters, but I didn't think that much. I am using Defi BF Amber (electric) gauges if that matters.

[DLSJ5]

Hmm.....I didn't think about the sea level aspect (I am at sea level). What is the elevation of Anaheim? Also where do you (and VF) tap boost from? I know elevation matters, but I didn't think that much. I am using Defi BF Amber (electric) gauges if that matters.

Anahiem has to be near sea level, but it seems I did pick up a TINY bit of boost after I removed the BHS underdrive pullies. I tapped boost at the back of the mainfold on that tiny bung on the large rail above the fuel rail.

[Tom Foolery]

Great product VF has put out and thank you for putting together the vids. Mexico has tons of nice cars, huh?

[jmciver]

Anahiem has to be near sea level, but it seems I did pick up a TINY bit of boost after I removed the BHS underdrive pullies. I tapped boost at the back of the mainfold on that tiny bung on the large rail above the fuel rail.
That is where I tapped my boost gauge. I just T'ed off of the VF tap point back there. In fact, I was concerned that my boost gauge might read low due to the number of taps at that one spot. My gauge has been consistent from day one. I don't know, maybe I do have some type of factory/VF kit freak :4ngie: . I guess I should get to a dyno, preferably a DynoJet to see if in fact I do have some kind of freak :) .

[GodSendsDeath]

That was a nice set of videos. Hmm wish this local 350z of ours was down there. The guy Dynos of 500+ whp but never runs it. In either case nice to see VF continuing there product line and upgrading it.

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

That was a nice set of videos. Hmm wish this local 350z of ours was down there. The guy Dynos of 500+ whp but never runs it. In either case nice to see VF continuing there product line and upgrading it.

Its funny what a difference there is between the Z's in how they pull though. I'm waiting for the VQ35HR to have boost options, the extra redline should give it room to run the stock gears and thus be even quicker.

[///JTM3]

Does anyone know what AA Supercharger trim SC Hunter is running.... is it 81 and 71? :hmm: Hunter can you please chime in... I didnt get to see your setup... Are you running the Gen 3 setup like mine? with the new intake plenum and 81 trim chrager???...

Thanks JT...

[turboaddiction]

Thank you for putting this all together! Amazing work! I have never seen such a well documented thread post showing what a car with specific mods can do! Real world comparos are the way to go. I agree, dynos are so relative and really only good at comparing for the user him/herself a before and after mod comparison...and when doing that temps and other things can still throw a monkey wrench at it. Real world on the street or the track comparos are walking the true walk IMO! As said many times with the FI e36 guys..."The big black dyno never lies!" Meaning the drag strip in regards to trap speed.

I loved all the videos! I can't wait to get a ride in your car! When mine is done I'll drive up and we can get some tacos! :thumbsup:

[DLSJ5]

Does anyone know what AA Supercharger trim SC Hunter is running.... is it 81 and 71? :hmm: Hunter can you please chime in... I didnt get to see your setup... Are you running the Gen 3 setup like mine? with the new intake plenum and 81 trim chrager???...

Thanks JT...


Hey J, this question was brought up when we ran a few months ago and I was Stage 1. He is Stage 3, he has the older manifold, Gen 2 mani? He's running the 81 trim blower @ 9psi.

Here's his answer when it was asked a few months back after the intial pulls.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=481087&page=3

Good to meet you too man. My blower is 81 trim. I guess I went too far saying I liked my cars whistle also :-( it hasnt whistled remotely as loud these past few days.



Ive run with a few STG3 cars now including MSpired so neither of our cars are fluke slow, it IS Drews crazy car. We definately need another stg1 VF to come out.

I personally think Drew's spraying + packing C16 fuel...



:rofl: Im joking though, I know Drews an honest guy and has told us everything. K when are we going back to Mexico. Once we have another VF car lets do it.:hi:

[///JTM3]

Thanks Drew... :thumbsup:

Lets get a run together sometime this week... I want to try out something... :4ngie: Anyone else want to join.... Technik, VF, ESS, HPF :)

[DLSJ5]

Thank you for putting this all together! Amazing work! I have never seen such a well documented thread post showing what a car with specific mods can do! Real world comparos are the way to go. I agree, dynos are so relative and really only good at comparing for the user him/herself a before and after mod comparison...and when doing that temps and other things can still throw a monkey wrench at it. Real world on the street or the track comparos are walking the true walk IMO! As said many times with the FI e36 guys..."The big black dyno never lies!" Meaning the drag strip in regards to trap speed.

I loved all the videos! I can't wait to get a ride in your car! When mine is done I'll drive up and we can get some tacos! :thumbsup:

For sure Brotha! Appreciate the props as well. :thumbsup:

[DLSJ5]

Thanks Drew... :thumbsup:

Lets get a run together sometime this week... I want to try out something... :4ngie:

Muaaaaaahhhh... :D

[02black330ci]

Great post period!! Good to know that there are now SC options closer to the 500whp range which is what I am looking for on pump and 600whp+ on internals/race tune. The videos are impressive with those high hp cars, I can't wait to see what you can do with a finished tune now that you have a full exhaust!!

Do you know if VF/GIAC will eventually come out with a race tune? Also, what are they shooting for to the wheels, on a fully tuned 93 octane map?

Thanks again for doing this and giving us front row seat viewing!!! MAD PROPS!!! :thumbsup:

[Mliner]

:4ngie:

[hp99hp]

i know the car tuning is still in the proto stages...but do you mind telling me what the tq numbers were on the dyno run you posted?

[brusso]

I'm down for a run or 2..... depending on the day. Hit me up if you GTG. I have a friend with a new cl 63 and a 05 cl 55 that are going to do some runs with me.
Lets see what happens.

[///JTM3]

Def well set something up.... Either end of this week or sometime next week...Last time we were out in mexico i blew a couple of spark plugs and it killed my night and my mood.... So im really excited to get back out there once everything is back to OK. :thumbsup:

[Active Autowerke]

Hey J, this question was brought up when we ran a few months ago and I was Stage 1. He is Stage 3, he has the older manifold, Gen 2 mani? He's running the 81 trim blower @ 9psi.

Here's his answer when it was asked a few months back after the intial pulls.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=481087&page=3

Hey Guys,

I just double checked this morning and Hunter's car has a 71 Trim Blower with a 70 mm pulley. Not a 81 trim blower.

Please correct in the originial post if possible..

Congrats on the runs and remember to stay safe on the streets.

[DLSJ5]

Hey Guys,

I just double checked this morning and Hunter's car has a 71 Trim Blower with a 70 mm pulley. Not a 81 trim blower.

Please correct in the originial post if possible..

Congrats on the runs and remember to stay safe on the streets.

Thx Omar for the clarification.

However, I'm not sure where I mentioned anything about the blower in the intial post? I said it was gen 2 stage 3 @ 9psi.

Hunter said it was the 81 trim blower in the past as he does now, all good either way. Not sure what the difference is, Denny's 474WHP Stage 3 was a 71 trim blower with the 70mm as is Mspired's.

[DLSJ5]

i know the car tuning is still in the proto stages...but do you mind telling me what the tq numbers were on the dyno run you posted?

I'll have new dyno's up with TQ, AFR, etc. up after they complete the tuning. :thumbsup:

[DLSJ5]

Great post period!! Good to know that there are now SC options closer to the 500whp range which is what I am looking for on pump and 600whp+ on internals/race tune. The videos are impressive with those high hp cars, I can't wait to see what you can do with a finished tune now that you have a full exhaust!!

Do you know if VF/GIAC will eventually come out with a race tune? Also, what are they shooting for to the wheels, on a fully tuned 93 octane map?

Thanks again for doing this and giving us front row seat viewing!!! MAD PROPS!!! :thumbsup:

Thx! BTW I'm not on a full AM exhaust, I'm running euro cats, as well as the stock X pipe and muffler. Not sure what the WHP or TQ will be, hopefully in the 450+ range on the 93 file, but we shall see.

[OCswedishM3]

Thx Omar for the clarification.

However, I'm not sure where I mentioned anything about the blower in the intial post? I said it was gen 2 stage 3 @ 9psi.

Hunter said it was the 81 trim blower in the past as he does now, all good either way. Not sure what the difference is, Denny's 474WHP Stage 3 was a 71 trim blower with the 70mm as is Mspired's.

There is a difference between the 81-Trim and the 71-trim. Max propeller speed is higher on the 81-Trim and a few other things. I dont know if it is still up on rotrex.com but i found my info on there awhile back. I have had both and the 81-Trim is more efficent and stronger. If you run a 70mm pulley on the 71-trim you are over the max recommended propeller speed of the blower, so it is not as efficent and a few other things come into play, that i have noticed having both trims. But the guys at active know much more than me so i'll leave it at that.

[DLSJ5]

There is a difference between the 81-Trim and the 71-trim. Max propeller speed is higher on the 81-Trim and a few other things. I dont know if it is still up on rotrex.com but i found my info on there awhile back. I have had both and the 81-Trim is more efficent and stronger. If you run a 70mm pulley on the 71-trim you are over the max recommended propeller speed of the blower, so it is not as efficent and a few other things come into play, that i have noticed having both trims. But the guys at active know much more than me so i'll leave it at that.

Thx for the info Nate. In the end it looks like the 71 has to work a little harder to get the 9+psi then the 81, regardless the 71 makes excellent power from some of the dyno's I've seen. :thumbsup:

[///JTM3]

Thx for the info Nate. In the end it looks like the 71 has to work a little harder to get the 9+psi then the 81, regardless the 71 makes excellent power from some of the dyno's I've seen. :thumbsup:

Ima show you guys what 81 trim can do... :excited:

[MSpired]

Excellent write up Drew! Your car is really moving along nicely. It must be so nice to have VF so close and be able to tune on your car, that's awsome! :thumbsup:

Nice write up. But I have been meaning to ask you, how is your boost being measured, do you have a gauge in your car? Before the RPM increase, I would see a peak boost of 6 (at the rev limit) and after the RPM upgrade I saw 6.5 psi. So either my boost gauge is off or I have some kind of factory freak.

My boost readings have always been higher than the published numbers (not that I am complaining :) ) and now my current peak boost is only 1 psi less than your Stage II.....:hmm:....

I have the same Defi gauges as you... Sometimes when you shift, there is a SPIKE on the boost, I frequently see 10-10.5psi if I don't shift correctly, and have even seen 15psi when hitting the rev limiter. Be sure to record some acceleration pull son the Defi base unit, then replay it, you can tell what your boost is right before a shift, and not the peak number.

Ima show you guys what 81 trim can do... :excited:

You need stage 2 ASAP, stop being a girl!

[///JTM3]

You need stage 2 ASAP, stop being a girl!

Very soon my friend... Very soon... :str8pimpi

[jmciver]

I have the same Defi gauges as you... Sometimes when you shift, there is a SPIKE on the boost, I frequently see 10-10.5psi if I don't shift correctly, and have even seen 15psi when hitting the rev limiter. Be sure to record some acceleration pull son the Defi base unit, then replay it, you can tell what your boost is right before a shift, and not the peak number.

Interesting. However, I have never noticed any spikes in boost while shifting, and definately not up to 15 psi. If they occured they should have been recorded by the peak function of the Defi control unit. I saw the 6 psi and 6.5 psi (after the rpm upgrade) after bouncing off the rev limiter. But I will give the recording function a try and see what I find out.

[Amir PG]

ok.. explain this AA uses 9 PSI and VF uses 7.5 if im not mistaken. how is it that you guys even keep up with each other??

[///JTM3]

There is a Visible difference in RWHP.. AA 9 Psi does put down more on the Dyno... But when Drew would run cars that have 35 more RWHP he would still slightly pull on them...We still haven't Confirmed this phenomenon with other VF cars.. Weve only seen Drew car do this... On one else :hmm:

[DLSJ5]

There is a Visible difference in RWHP.. AA 9 Psi does put down more on the Dyno... But when Drew would run cars that have 35 more RWHP he would still slightly pull on them...We still haven't Confirmed this phenomenon with other VF cars.. Weve only seen Drew car do this... On one else :hmm:

Actually when I was stage 1 I dynoed 398 WHP and your last dyno was 400WHP. Same WHP, but I was at 5.3 psi while you were at 7.5, that is if comparing different dyno's is your thing. ;) We've done a few runs, they varied initially, but the last run when I was stage 1, we were dead even, so dyno's and the comparo's were on par in that run.

There is no phenomenon, those are my dyno #'s, I am not running anything special, unlike some AA cars, which some acknowledge exsist and other don't, lol. I can assure you a good running Stage 2 VF car other than myself will produce similiar results. I mean your car, Mike's and Hunter's cars vary a bit too, as does Sherwin's 335I in comparison to modded 335I's. I mean look at Viks' Stage 3 AA car, lol.

What 9 psi AA car dynoed 35 more WHP than me that I've ran? I don't know what Hunter dynoed, but I think it's pretty well known, and silly to compare dyno's and then accurately predict who will win, as other factors are involved. I do not pull on every car that dynoed 35 WHP more than me, lol, the S4 got me good, and the Z06 was def about to pull on me in 4th gear. The 300Z owner said he dynoed 470WHP, means nothing when you do real side by side pulls. :)

[DLSJ5]

Excellent write up Drew! Your car is really moving along nicely. It must be so nice to have VF so close and be able to tune on your car, that's awsome! :thumbsup:



I have the same Defi gauges as you... Sometimes when you shift, there is a SPIKE on the boost, I frequently see 10-10.5psi if I don't shift correctly, and have even seen 15psi when hitting the rev limiter. Be sure to record some acceleration pull son the Defi base unit, then replay it, you can tell what your boost is right before a shift, and not the peak number.



You need stage 2 ASAP, stop being a girl!

Thx Bro! I think J already has stage 1.5 :D, as his car is flying!!!

[///JTM3]

Actually when I was stage 1 I dynoed 398 WHP and your last dyno was 400WHP. Same WHP, but I was at 5.3 psi while you were at 7.5, that is if comparing different dyno's is your thing. ;) We've done a few runs, they varied initially, but the last run when I was stage 1, we were dead even, so dyno's and the comparo's were on par in that run.

There is no phenomenon, those are my dyno #'s, I am not running anything special, unlike some AA cars, which some acknowledge exsist and other don't, lol. I can assure you a good running Stage 2 VF car other than myself will produce similiar results. I mean your car, Mike's and Hunter's cars vary a bit too, as does Sherwin's 335I in comparison to modded 335I's. I mean look at Viks' Stage 3 AA car, lol.

What 9 psi AA car dynoed 35 more WHP than me that I've ran? I don't know what Hunter dynoed, but I think it's pretty well known, and silly to compare dyno's and then accurately predict who will win, as other factors are involved. I do not pull on every car that dynoed 35 WHP more than me, lol, the S4 got me good, and the Z06 was def about to pull on me in 4th gear. The 300Z owner said he dynoed 470WHP, means nothing when you do real side by side pulls. :)


Yeah that was i was trying to say... Dynos dont mean much with your car... with the 35RWHP, i was refrencing back when you were stag 1 and Mike was leaning out and we dynoed it together, he was puting down 435 i think... and u would still pull on him...


Oh by the way.. I dynoed at 404.94 RWHP Thank you very much... :flipoff: :rofl:


1.5!?!??!?!..... lolol... Im trying get to 1.8 lolol

[turboaddiction]

The reasons why one car with same original motor, etc. needs more psi to generate the same power as another smiliar setup are:
1) the compressor is smaller so it needs to spin faster and show more psi for the same amount of charged air to create the same power.
2) the overall efficiency of the system is not as good so therefore the system has to work harder poushing more psi to create the same amount of charged air to create the same power.

Could be one or the other. This happens a lot with turbo systems. One guy uses 3" charge piping all around, no sharp turns with piping, efficient intercooler and a 4" exhaust compared to the other that uses 2" piping, a cheap IC, stock or small exhaust, lots of 90 degree bends, etc. So the first guy makes a ton more power with less boost and people are like wtf. :4ngie:

With supercharger systems changing the VE of the motor will change this a lot. Such as cams, headers, etc. The more flow, the less psi to make the power.

[DaN_the_MaN]

You also lose boost pressure with more flow. So if you have hi-flow exhaust and cats, you will make less boost, but more power.

[DLSJ5]

Yeah that was i was trying to say... Dynos dont mean much with your car... with the 35RWHP, i was refrencing back when you were stag 1 and Mike was leaning out and we dynoed it together, he was puting down 435 i think... and u would still pull on him...


Oh by the way.. I dynoed at 404.94 RWHP Thank you very much... :flipoff: :rofl:


1.5!?!??!?!..... lolol... Im trying get to 1.8 lolol

Gotcha, you're right Mike's car did dyno 35 more, but he had that fuel filter issue. I never really pulled on Mike, when we ran he had a passanger too, it was about even, and the last time I ran him when I was stage 1 he pulled a bit. All Good Brotha. :thumbsup:

[MSpired]

There is a Visible difference in RWHP.. AA 9 Psi does put down more on the Dyno... But when Drew would run cars that have 35 more RWHP he would still slightly pull on them...We still haven't Confirmed this phenomenon with other VF cars.. Weve only seen Drew car do this... On one else :hmm:

Actually when I was stage 1 I dynoed 398 WHP and your last dyno was 400WHP. Same WHP, but I was at 5.3 psi while you were at 7.5, that is if comparing different dyno's is your thing. ;) We've done a few runs, they varied initially, but the last run when I was stage 1, we were dead even, so dyno's and the comparo's were on par in that run.

There is no phenomenon, those are my dyno #'s, I am not running anything special, unlike some AA cars, which some acknowledge exsist and other don't, lol. I can assure you a good running Stage 2 VF car other than myself will produce similiar results. I mean your car, Mike's and Hunter's cars vary a bit too, as does Sherwin's 335I in comparison to modded 335I's. I mean look at Viks' Stage 3 AA car, lol.

What 9 psi AA car dynoed 35 more WHP than me that I've ran? I don't know what Hunter dynoed, but I think it's pretty well known, and silly to compare dyno's and then accurately predict who will win, as other factors are involved. I do not pull on every car that dynoed 35 WHP more than me, lol, the S4 got me good, and the Z06 was def about to pull on me in 4th gear. The 300Z owner said he dynoed 470WHP, means nothing when you do real side by side pulls. :)

Yeah that was i was trying to say... Dynos dont mean much with your car... with the 35RWHP, i was refrencing back when you were stag 1 and Mike was leaning out and we dynoed it together, he was puting down 435 i think... and u would still pull on him...


Oh by the way.. I dynoed at 404.94 RWHP Thank you very much... :flipoff: :rofl:


1.5!?!??!?!..... lolol... Im trying get to 1.8 lolol

Let's not get into that debate again....

The only way to settle that is to get another non beta, off the shelf VF car and run him, simple.....

I'm sick of waiting around to catch one on the streets. Any VF cars want to meet and do some friendly runs soon?!?!?!
The reasons why one car with same original motor, etc. needs more psi to generate the same power as another smiliar setup are:
1) the compressor is smaller so it needs to spin faster and show more psi for the same amount of charged air to create the same power.
2) the overall efficiency of the system is not as good so therefore the system has to work harder poushing more psi to create the same amount of charged air to create the same power.

Could be one or the other. This happens a lot with turbo systems. One guy uses 3" charge piping all around, no sharp turns with piping, efficient intercooler and a 4" exhaust compared to the other that uses 2" piping, a cheap IC, stock or small exhaust, lots of 90 degree bends, etc. So the first guy makes a ton more power with less boost and people are like wtf. :4ngie:

With supercharger systems changing the VE of the motor will change this a lot. Such as cams, headers, etc. The more flow, the less psi to make the power.

Exactly.

The VF's kits Vortech blower looks much larger than the AA's Rotrex; havn't looked at the specific specs though....

I believe the main difference between the kits effiecencies are the way the boost is routed.

The AA kit has to get routed through a FMIC, then into the manifold.

The VF kit is a straight shot from the blower into the manifold, MUCH shorter distance to travel.

I'm wishing Rotrex makes a bigger supercharger, I would be one happy camper!

[///JTM3]

I totaly agree with you mike....

We do need another VF car...

Becuase this argument is getting old already... :rolleyes:

[turboaddiction]

less psi to make the power.less boost, but more power.
:confused::str8pimpi

[jmciver]

Let's not get into that debate again....

The only way to settle that is to get another non beta, off the shelf VF car and run him, simple.....

I'm sick of waiting around to catch one on the streets. Any VF cars want to meet and do some friendly runs soon?!?!?!

Hmmmm......maybe I should ask the Navy for a transfer to San Diego....:confused:.....

VF Stage 1.5.......:hmm:??? Maybe.......:4ngie:......... But as far as amount of boost is concerned, did you ever consider where the boost is being read from? In the case of the VF kit, since the S/C is close to the intake, any boost reading, whether right at the S/C exit or right at the TB should be relatively close. I can't speak for AA, but I would suspect that the boost at the S/C exit is higher than at the TB. So where is the boost for the AA kits read from, close to the manifold like VF?

Another thing to consider is the IAT of the air as well. Water removes heat more efficently than air. Therefore, I am willing to bet that the IAT for the VF kit is cooler for a given boost level than the AA kit. So in other words, if the VF kit operated at the same boost level as the AA kit, even more power is theoretically possible since the VF IAT is cooler (and therefore more dense) than AA IAT. Keep in mind gents I am only applying some basic engineering principles here since I don't know what the actual IAT is for a VF kit or an AA kit, but it seems to make sense to me.

Oh and as far as what MSpired posted a bit earlier about boost spike when shifting. I recorded a 1st thru 3rd pull on the street with the Defi unit (real neat function BTW :) ) and I didn't see any spikes. In 1st I shifted right at redline and I saw 6.5, in second I bounced off the rev limiter for a bit, and saw 6.5 (the needle bounced around 6.5 while bouncing on the rev limiter), in 3rd I took the car up a little over 6 but had to get off the gas (going to damn fast and not on the highway :yikes: ). I made a very "poor" video recording of the recording on my gauges using my camera phone. I will post it if I can.

[turboaddiction]

^^^^^ Nice post!

More information regarding the relevancy of psi due to the variation of efficiency between two differently engineered units. NOICE! :drool:

Oh and as far as the Defi gauges go......LOVE THEM SO MUCH! DefiBF fo life! :bow:

[Mliner]

I totaly agree with you mike....

We do need another VF car...

Becuase this argument is getting old already... :rolleyes:

Aper, how bout' a Technik car.

[MSpired]

Hmmmm......maybe I should ask the Navy for a transfer to San Diego....:confused:.....

VF Stage 1.5.......:hmm:??? Maybe.......:4ngie:......... But as far as amount of boost is concerned, did you ever consider where the boost is being read from? In the case of the VF kit, since the S/C is close to the intake, any boost reading, whether right at the S/C exit or right at the TB should be relatively close. I can't speak for AA, but I would suspect that the boost at the S/C exit is higher than at the TB. So where is the boost for the AA kits read from, close to the manifold like VF?

Another thing to consider is the IAT of the air as well. Water removes heat more efficently than air. Therefore, I am willing to bet that the IAT for the VF kit is cooler for a given boost level than the AA kit. So in other words, if the VF kit operated at the same boost level as the AA kit, even more power is theoretically possible since the VF IAT is cooler (and therefore more dense) than AA IAT. Keep in mind gents I am only applying some basic engineering principles here since I don't know what the actual IAT is for a VF kit or an AA kit, but it seems to make sense to me.

Oh and as far as what MSpired posted a bit earlier about boost spike when shifting. I recorded a 1st thru 3rd pull on the street with the Defi unit (real neat function BTW :) ) and I didn't see any spikes. In 1st I shifted right at redline and I saw 6.5, in second I bounced off the rev limiter for a bit, and saw 6.5 (the needle bounced around 6.5 while bouncing on the rev limiter), in 3rd I took the car up a little over 6 but had to get off the gas (going to damn fast and not on the highway :yikes: ). I made a very "poor" video recording of the recording on my gauges using my camera phone. I will post it if I can.

The boost on the AA kit is read from a T fitting off of a vacum line connected to the by pass valve, both kits are read at the same place pretty much.

I definetely agree with you on the IAT temps. I have noticed that when I run Drew, on my first run I do much better than any consecutive run, at least in the temps we have been seeing lately... In hotter temps, the water to air is much more efficient, in cooler air, the air to air works perfectly.

Johney has rigged up a cheap and usable solution with his intercooler water sprayer, I think it helps him in the hot temps. Johney, any conclusions after driving aroudn with it for a while? I am going to be hooking up a nitrous spray soon, that should solve, if not better any heat soak issue in hot abient temps.

On another note, I believe the AA kits read the IAT's off the MAF (yes even when running Alpha N). If this is true, this hurts power during hot ambient temps since the ECU is reading its IAT's before the supercharger and FMIC. Basically, the hotter it is outside, the mroe timing the ECU is going to pull, no matter hot efficient and cool your FMIC is....

I remember reading that CA Auto in the UK actually went ahead and relocated the IAT sensor into the manifold (where is should be) and I think they felt the car ran much better. I'm going to look into doing that soon.

[///JTM3]

Aper, how bout' a Technik car.

Are you sure the Technik car is ready to come out and play with the big boys.. :4ngie:

Apeh you are always welcome to come out and play in mexico..


Mike i actually do feel a difference.. It really helps out when its hot outside and im getting heat soaked (iv felt it), it help the car get back to normal...

[OCswedishM3]

Are you sure the Technik car is ready to come out and play with the big boys.. :4ngie:

Apeh you are always welcome to come out and play in mexico..


Mike i actually do feel a difference.. It really helps out when its hot outside and im getting heat soaked (iv felt it), it help the car get back to normal...

Methanol injection works really well

[///JTM3]

Yeah im gonna do that as soon as i move up to 70mm pulley

[jmciver]

I remember reading that CA Auto in the UK actually went ahead and relocated the IAT sensor into the manifold (where is should be) and I think they felt the car ran much better. I'm going to look into doing that soon.
I am not sure where the IAT sensor is for the E46 M3. I don't remember seeing one when I installed my kit (I know where it is on the E36 though, in the manifold). VF uses an IAT and it is located inside the intake manifold. It taps into the wire harness of the stock HFM, which is still retained. After taking a look at some E46 M3 parts on RealOEM.com, it leads me believe that the stock HFM has an IAT sensor incorporated into it (which makes sense from a design aspect).

[helgo]

I totaly agree with you mike....

We do need another VF car...

Becuase this argument is getting old already... :rolleyes:

I'll run any of you guys any time, day or night. Just come on up here to Alberta for the :brent2:.

Actually, I'm just kidding, cuz my car is DEF not putting down 480 crank / 400rwhp. Dunno what;s wrong, but the non intercooled Dinan test car [440 chp ] pulled on me at the track the other day, they had a demo car out there. So what the heck. I'm gonna take the car back to the installers to see if I'm boosting low or what ?>>>>>????

[DLSJ5]

I'll run any of you guys any time, day or night. Just come on up here to Alberta for the :brent2:.

Actually, I'm just kidding, cuz my car is DEF not putting down 480 crank / 400rwhp. Dunno what;s wrong, but the non intercooled Dinan test car [440 chp ] pulled on me at the track the other day, they had a demo car out there. So what the heck. I'm gonna take the car back to the installers to see if I'm boosting low or what ?>>>>>????

:hmm: That's not good at all, you should destroy that car, something's def up. Do you have a boost gauge?

[TaZaM3]

Yes the stock HFM has an IAT sensor built into it, for AA's Alpha N setup you disconnect 3 wires from the HFM and only use the IAT wires built into it. You can easily purschase an IAT sensor and plug it into the side of the intake manifold and splice it to the HFM.

[jmciver]

Ok, below are some links to some videos showing my Defi BF Amber boost gauge going through the gears. As I posted a bit earlier, it is a 1st thru 3rd run. In 1st I shifted right at redline and I saw 6.5, in second I bounced off the rev limiter for a bit (on purpose), and saw 6.5 (the needle bounced around 6.5 while bouncing on the rev limiter), in 3rd I took the car up a little over 6 but ran out of road. The video isn't that great since I used my cell phone and they are in Quicktime format. One was shot in day and the other at night (but the same recording on the Defi Unit).

Video 1 (http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/BoostDark.3g2)
Video 2 (http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/BoostDay.3g2)

Factory freak? VF Stage 1.5? You tell me........:hmm:

[sktlikeapro]

drew I gotta meet up with you one of these times so we can do some runs and compare the stage 1 and stage 2. Hopefully I can make it out soon...

[DLSJ5]

Ok, below are some links to some videos showing my Defi BF Amber boost gauge going through the gears. As I posted a bit earlier, it is a 1st thru 3rd run. In 1st I shifted right at redline and I saw 6.5, in second I bounced off the rev limiter for a bit (on purpose), and saw 6.5 (the needle bounced around 6.5 while bouncing on the rev limiter), in 3rd I took the car up a little over 6 but ran out of road. The video isn't that great since I used my cell phone and they are in Quicktime format. One was shot in day and the other at night (but the same recording on the Defi Unit).

Video 1 (http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/BoostDark.3g2)
Video 2 (http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/BoostDay.3g2)

Factory freak? VF Stage 1.5? You tell me........:hmm:


Hard to tell completely but the 1st looks like 5.9 - 6, second vid around 6.5, but the #'s are hella close, somewhat hard to tell the exact #.

[DLSJ5]

drew I gotta meet up with you one of these times so we can do some runs and compare the stage 1 and stage 2. Hopefully I can make it out soon...

4 sure Bro.

[jmciver]

Hard to tell completely but the 1st looks like 5.9 - 6, second vid around 6.5, but the #'s are hella close, somewhat hard to tell the exact #.
It is the same data playback file. After looking at the one I did during the day I figured one shot at night would be a bit more clear. Right click/save as and play it on your computer to get a closer look by zoming in.

[turboaddiction]

Ok, below are some links to some videos showing my Defi BF Amber boost gauge going through the gears. As I posted a bit earlier, it is a 1st thru 3rd run. In 1st I shifted right at redline and I saw 6.5, in second I bounced off the rev limiter for a bit (on purpose), and saw 6.5 (the needle bounced around 6.5 while bouncing on the rev limiter), in 3rd I took the car up a little over 6 but ran out of road. The video isn't that great since I used my cell phone and they are in Quicktime format. One was shot in day and the other at night (but the same recording on the Defi Unit).

Video 1 (http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/BoostDark.3g2)
Video 2 (http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/BoostDay.3g2)

Factory freak? VF Stage 1.5? You tell me........:hmm:
Oh look at the cute little 6.5psi. :P

Just messin'. Thank you for the vids! I love Defi and I love the BF gauges! I had the Link gauges in both my M3 and my Supra because the BF hadn't come out yet. Now I changed to BF. Defi rocks! I wanted to be more stealth so I have one Defi gauge that tells you 6 things on one gauge and doesn't look like a normal gauge so people don't suspect. :thumbsup:

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6794/4280712wq4.jpg

[MSpired]

Ima show you guys what 81 trim can do... :excited:

I've heard from many people that the newer Rotrex blowers put out less psi and therefore your 81 trim is nearly equivalant to let's say my older version 71 trim.... AA acknowledges this as well.

Are you sure the Technik car is ready to come out and play with the big boys.. :4ngie:

Apeh you are always welcome to come out and play in mexico..


Mike i actually do feel a difference.. It really helps out when its hot outside and im getting heat soaked (iv felt it), it help the car get back to normal...

That's great to hear, if water is helping you, then N20 or CO2 would help even more :4ngie:

Methanol injection works really well

My methenol just came in the other day, can't wait to try it out! :4ngie:

I'll run any of you guys any time, day or night. Just come on up here to Alberta for the :brent2:.

Actually, I'm just kidding, cuz my car is DEF not putting down 480 crank / 400rwhp. Dunno what;s wrong, but the non intercooled Dinan test car [440 chp ] pulled on me at the track the other day, they had a demo car out there. So what the heck. I'm gonna take the car back to the installers to see if I'm boosting low or what ?>>>>>????

What type of track? Drags or turns?

Yes the stock HFM has an IAT sensor built into it, for AA's Alpha N setup you disconnect 3 wires from the HFM and only use the IAT wires built into it. You can easily purschase an IAT sensor and plug it into the side of the intake manifold and splice it to the HFM.

Vic, any idea or link where I can pick up an IAT sensor that can plug into where the by pass return line into the manifold would usually go into?

Would moving the IAT sensor affect anything since the car is tuned to be reading it via the MAF and is now reading it at the manifold? I would think it would mix things up a bit...

Ok, below are some links to some videos showing my Defi BF Amber boost gauge going through the gears. As I posted a bit earlier, it is a 1st thru 3rd run. In 1st I shifted right at redline and I saw 6.5, in second I bounced off the rev limiter for a bit (on purpose), and saw 6.5 (the needle bounced around 6.5 while bouncing on the rev limiter), in 3rd I took the car up a little over 6 but ran out of road. The video isn't that great since I used my cell phone and they are in Quicktime format. One was shot in day and the other at night (but the same recording on the Defi Unit).

Video 1 (http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/BoostDark.3g2)
Video 2 (http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/BoostDay.3g2)

Factory freak? VF Stage 1.5? You tell me........:hmm:

Looks like about 6psi. Try a few 3rd and 4th gear pulls on the freeway, it will be much slower and might be easier to tell....

drew I gotta meet up with you one of these times so we can do some runs and compare the stage 1 and stage 2. Hopefully I can make it out soon...

Dude! If you meet up with Drew, you'll be meeting with a few others of us as well! :hi:

[jmciver]

Looks like about 6psi. Try a few 3rd and 4th gear pulls on the freeway, it will be much slower and might be easier to tell....

Lol....If I do 1 3rd or 4th gear pull up to red line do you know how fast that will be? You do know about the new, very expensive, fines VA just instituted don't you :yikes: . I will see what I can do :) . However, I am basing my 6.5 psi claim not from the play back, because I know it can be difficult to see, especially in the lower gears (I had to come off early when I was in 3rd on that pull, going to damn fast on that particular street :4ngie: ). I first saw the 6.0 and then 6.5 (after the rpm upgrade) using the peak recall function of the gauge. I can post a pic of that too I guess.

That video was primarily to show how I was not getting the peaks while shifting you mentioned earlier.

[GodSendsDeath]

Its funny what a difference there is between the Z's in how they pull though. I'm waiting for the VQ35HR to have boost options, the extra redline should give it room to run the stock gears and thus be even quicker.

I am waiting out for the 08 to see if it be the VQ37HR or VQ35HR. I am deff going with a 350Z as my Z4 is yesterdays news sadly. Word is Greddy and some others will show a TT kit for it.

Yeah sorry to thread hijack.

[jmciver]

Ok, here are some still pics of my boost gauge using the peak function (the highest value stored in the Defi unit).

http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/Gauge%201.jpg

http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/Gauge%202.jpg

Factory freak......:hmm:....???

[DLSJ5]

Ok, here are some still pics of my boost gauge using the peak function (the highest value stored in the Defi unit).

http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/Gauge%201.jpg

http://members.cox.net/mcivervideo1/Gauge%202.jpg

Factory freak......:hmm:....???

Looks like 6.5 to me. Do you know anyone out there that you can do some pulls with? Get that baby dynoed as well!!!

[jmciver]

Looks like 6.5 to me. Do you know anyone out there that you can do some pulls with? Get that baby dynoed as well!!!
F M 3, who lives in MD I believe just got his kit installed recently. And I do want to get the car dynoed, preferably on a Dynojet since that is the one most people seem to use and judge by. Although comparing different cars on different dynos does not prove anything decisively, it still is a comparison tool nontheless. If anything, it is more curiosity for me after seeing some of the other factory freaks out there :) .

[Tyler@UniqueDesign]

I am waiting out for the 08 to see if it be the VQ37HR or VQ35HR. I am deff going with a 350Z as my Z4 is yesterdays news sadly. Word is Greddy and some others will show a TT kit for it.

Yeah sorry to thread hijack.

Yeah, there are 2 turbo kits I know of being developed at the moment, not real worried right now, still paying the car off.

[helgo]

What type of track? Drags or turns?




2 mile road course.

:hmm: That's not good at all, you should destroy that car, something's def up. Do you have a boost gauge?

no boost gauge, so i dunno what's up. frustrating tho.

[bavarianx]

Looks like I better get our car over for Stage 2 soon!! Im up for some runs with the S1 though.

[GodSendsDeath]

Yeah, there are 2 turbo kits I know of being developed at the moment, not real worried right now, still paying the car off.

Which ones, I live in Tampa Florida so I will probably go with Forged Performance for install. As I am giving BMW a rest, I got tired having to over pay for HP. I did like the vortech kit but didn't get a chance to try it before the car got totaled.

[DLSJ5]

Looks like I better get our car over for Stage 2 soon!! Im up for some runs with the S1 though.

Sounds good Bro, we'll hit you up next GTG. :thumbsup:

[///JTM3]

BTW when is the next GTG... Im getting impatient :excited:
Drew lets dooo eeeetttttt!!!! :thumbsup:

[OCswedishM3]

[QUOTE=MSpired;6508726]My methenol just came in the other day, can't wait to try it out! :4ngie:QUOTE]

You need to change out alot of things, have u already done that...pump, hoses, etc...PM me if u need

[///JTM3]

[QUOTE=MSpired;6508726]My methenol just came in the other day, can't wait to try it out! :4ngie:QUOTE]

You need to change out alot of things, have u already done that...pump, hoses, etc...PM me if u need

Nate.. Is you car ready.... I wana see that bad boy in action..

[OCswedishM3]

[QUOTE=OCswedishM3;6515811]

Nate.. Is you car ready.... I wana see that bad boy in action..

I have soo much more work to do... the higher the redline the more boost u make, which causes some issues..i ordered a bunch of parts so this saturday i will try and fix it all, want to come to my house and help...haha

[DLSJ5]

I have soo much more work to do... the higher the redline the more boost u make, which causes some issues..i ordered a bunch of parts so this saturday i will try and fix it all, want to come to my house and help...haha

Good luck with it Bro. I can't wait to see the beast in action as well!

[///JTM3]

[QUOTE=///JTM3;6515894]

I have soo much more work to do... the higher the redline the more boost u make, which causes some issues..i ordered a bunch of parts so this saturday i will try and fix it all, want to come to my house and help...haha

Im free sunday morning... Leme know :thumbsup:

[M VENOM]

Can a close-to-stock M3 play too :(

[///JTM3]

Can a close-to-stock M3 play too :(

Ofcours budy...You always get a person phone call apeh... I wana hear how the Venom sounds now... :4ngie:

[DLSJ5]

Can a close-to-stock M3 play too :(

Bro, you know you're always invited.

[M VENOM]

lol i know guys. I want to see some runs in the M6 though. I was in it yesterday with 500hp, and i must say....GODAYUM

[///JTM3]

I got something for the M6... Riiiiiiiiiiiigghhhtttt Heeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeee :jack: :flipoff:

[DLSJ5]

lol i know guys. I want to see some runs in the M6 though. I was in it yesterday with 500hp, and i must say....GODAYUM

This weekend? Daytime vids for once?

[Boardman]

lol i know guys. I want to see some runs in the M6 though. I was in it yesterday with 500hp, and i must say....GODAYUM

You guys sure do like doing alot of comparo runs huh...those are some good videos that were posted too, but it seems like everyone calls out OC. I mean no offense, but i dont think any of you guys can come close to him. Were u guys at the crystal cove meet, did u see what he did to that M6 and F430? He put about 5 cars on the M6 which i think trap at what 118? and beat the F430 by a few cars too which is a 120+ trap car. He is well into the 120's trap speed if i were to say, and he added more to his car i think.

[Mliner]

I will be joining you guys soon...

[EvilEmpirE]

You guys sure do like doing alot of comparo runs huh...those are some good videos that were posted too, but it seems like everyone calls out OC. I mean no offense, but i dont think any of you guys can come close to him. Were u guys at the crystal cove meet, did u see what he did to that M6 and F430? He put about 5 cars on the M6 which i think trap at what 118? and beat the F430 by a few cars too which is a 120+ trap car. He is well into the 120's trap speed if i were to say, and he added more to his car i think.

perhaps the M6 was in P400 mode:P:rofl:

srsly though.....that is why you line up the cars and run them instead of comparing numbers which other than reference, mean absolutely squat:4ngie:

[DaN_the_MaN]

Methanol injection works really well
Which kit are you guys running? 100% Meth or 50/50 mix?

[MSpired]

You guys sure do like doing alot of comparo runs huh...those are some good videos that were posted too, but it seems like everyone calls out OC. I mean no offense, but i dont think any of you guys can come close to him. Were u guys at the crystal cove meet, did u see what he did to that M6 and F430? He put about 5 cars on the M6 which i think trap at what 118? and beat the F430 by a few cars too which is a 120+ trap car. He is well into the 120's trap speed if i were to say, and he added more to his car i think.

We arn't really "calling him out", just want to see his car in action, that's all....

All in good fun bro! :thumbsup:

I will be joining you guys soon...

Can't wait to see you ASA car run and see how it does! :thumbsup:

[DaN_the_MaN]

We arn't really "calling him out", just want to see his car in action, that's all....

All in good fun bro! :thumbsup:



Can't wait to see you ASA car run and see how it does! :thumbsup:
How much power is your car making?

[DLSJ5]

You guys sure do like doing alot of comparo runs huh...those are some good videos that were posted too, but it seems like everyone calls out OC. I mean no offense, but i dont think any of you guys can come close to him. Were u guys at the crystal cove meet, did u see what he did to that M6 and F430? He put about 5 cars on the M6 which i think trap at what 118? and beat the F430 by a few cars too which is a 120+ trap car. He is well into the 120's trap speed if i were to say, and he added more to his car i think.

:tsk: Not in the least, we've met up with Nate, very cool cat, he didn't run because he's having issues, all good. I don't think one of us expects to run with him, maybe bone doc, but like most here that mod their cars, we wanna see his in action. :thumbsup:

[MSpired]

How much power is your car making?

Done only one dyno with a clogged fuel filter causing leaning issues. Put down 432rwhp and 320rwtq. Car should be making about 450rwhp now.

[brusso]

Drew... My Gauges Came In Today !

[MSpired]

Drew... My Gauges Came In Today !

Whatchu get Brian?

[brusso]

Mike.... I GOT THE SAME ONES DREW HAS FOR A/F AND PSI. I JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM FOR THE DEFI ONES I WAS GOING TO GET BECAUSE OF THE NAVI.

Me Thinks Its Time To Dyno.....

[DaN_the_MaN]

Done only one dyno with a clogged fuel filter causing leaning issues. Put down 432rwhp and 320rwtq. Car should be making about 450rwhp now.
That's some pretty good power for just a stage 1. It would be a good race between yours and a Vortech Z/G with the 2.87 pulley. They vary from 400-470whp depending on mods and tuning. But I think the M3 has better gearing.

[GodSendsDeath]

That's some pretty good power for just a stage 1. It would be a good race between yours and a Vortech Z/G with the 2.87 pulley. They vary from 400-470whp depending on mods and tuning. But I think the M3 has better gearing.


Yeah the 350z comes in at 3400lbs or sometimes a little more and has a weaker gearing that the M3. So I think M would take it, but unless the Z is turbo with any of its single turbo kits I think would walk that M on the the same WHP number window due to the tq.

[DaN_the_MaN]

Yeah the 350z comes in at 3400lbs or sometimes a little more and has a weaker gearing that the M3. So I think M would take it, but unless the Z is turbo with any of its single turbo kits I think would walk that M on the the same WHP number window due to the tq.
Not exactly. 350Z comes in at around 3188, under 3200 for sure. G35 comes in at 3435. M3 comes in at 3415. 20lb difference with a G35, 200lb+ difference with a 350Z.

[MSpired]

Mike.... I GOT THE SAME ONES DREW HAS FOR A/F AND PSI. I JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM FOR THE DEFI ONES I WAS GOING TO GET BECAUSE OF THE NAVI.

Me Thinks Its Time To Dyno.....

Nice, I really like those gauges, simple clean and easy to read quickly since its numeric.

That's some pretty good power for just a stage 1. It would be a good race between yours and a Vortech Z/G with the 2.87 pulley. They vary from 400-470whp depending on mods and tuning. But I think the M3 has better gearing.

Don't I wish I was makign that kind of power with only a stage 1....

I'm a stage 3 running 9psi...

I have a buddy with a Vortech G35, no major moddign and tuning, just a off teh shelf kit, and he has some extra stereo weight. Anyways, I make him look like a Civic...

Not exactly. 350Z comes in at around 3188, under 3200 for sure. G35 comes in at 3435. M3 comes in at 3415. 20lb difference with a G35, 200lb+ difference with a 350Z.

My car weighs in at around 3200lbs.

[DaN_the_MaN]

Nice, I really like those gauges, simple clean and easy to read quickly since its numeric.



Don't I wish I was makign that kind of power with only a stage 1....

I'm a stage 3 running 9psi...

I have a buddy with a Vortech G35, no major moddign and tuning, just a off teh shelf kit, and he has some extra stereo weight. Anyways, I make him look like a Civic...



My car weighs in at around 3200lbs.
Still good power. How did you get the weight down so low?

[OCswedishM3]

Im back...took out a modded cls55 today. well im almost 100%. After 6 hours of work today my car is alot better. Still have a couple issues but at least i have alot of power back.

[MSpired]

Still good power. How did you get the weight down so low?

Only option is xenon's
Rear Seat and trunk removed
CF GT3 Replica front seats
CF hood
CF trunk
CF diffuser
BBK's
CSL battery


Im back...took out a modded cls55 today. well im almost 100%. After 6 hours of work today my car is alot better. Still have a couple issues but at least i have alot of power back.

Nice! What were your problems?

[///JTM3]

Im back...took out a modded cls55 today. well im almost 100%. After 6 hours of work today my car is alot better. Still have a couple issues but at least i have alot of power back.

NICE!!!!! Congrats buddy.... what was causing all the issues....

[techlogik]

How come the Audi haterz haven't shown up yet? Hmmm. I miss my S4...maybe I will go back, cause it will take forever to get a stinking M3 turbo kit.

Either that or I am going 135i...

[brusso]

Im back...took out a modded cls55 today. well im almost 100%. After 6 hours of work today my car is alot better. Still have a couple issues but at least i have alot of power back.

How do you know the cls was modded ?

Mike , when are we going to the dyno..... 2 weeks ? gives me some time to get the gauges installed.

Hit me up . .. p.s ... clear all your vioce mail messages.

LAZY ! :tsk:

[OCswedishM3]

NICE!!!!! Congrats buddy.... what was causing all the issues....

Missfiring like a motherfcker...

[OCswedishM3]

How do you know the cls was modded ?

Mike , when are we going to the dyno..... 2 weeks ? gives me some time to get the gauges installed.

Hit me up . .. p.s ... clear all your vioce mail messages.

LAZY ! :tsk:

Cuz after he called me out, and then i made him look stupid for talking ****, he said what do have because im not stock...i said im not stock either
Im still not done yet though, i have to dial in a few more things...

[TaZaM3]

Cuz after he called me out, and then i made him look stupid for talking ****, he said what do have because im not stock...i said im not stock either
Im still not done yet though, i have to dial in a few more things...

What was going on with your car? PM me.