2004 530i E60 M54B30 Turbo Project has begun [Archive]

ritos530i

08-20-2007, 07:38 PM

Like the title says i have begun the piecing up parts and just waiting on injectors 62# and tuning (Tuning is covered for a base line setup)
Turbo: 60-1 P Trim with .68 A/R Housing for the Turbine side (580rwhp) (In route)
Boost gage (in garage)
Digital controller 0-5psi
Spring is preset to 7psi
Inter-cooler (in garage)
Snow performance Methanol stage II setup (installed)
Wizard of Nos Nitrous system(installed)
Spec 3+ clutch(installed)
Innovated Wideband (installed)
M54B30 (stock Block)
Head is ported with valve job and currently have thicker gasket but will be going thicker as soon as i find the correct gasket.

The biggest thing is sourcing Performance parts for a E60 M54B30.

I am not going to run more than 10psi of boost until i build the block which i have already sourced the forged pistons from four different vendors.

The current MAF sensor on my car is matted in the Stock Air-box unlike the 3 series so this is another challenge although i think i have this sorted.

Just to inform you guys i am going with the Rear Mounted turbo setup from STS and i know it hasn't been a popular topic in this forum but you guys will need to bare with me until the setup is done and then when i post results you can talk all you want. As of now i just wanted to share my experience with setting it up and getting some insight as how i can make things go smoother in the process. The kit is not a bolt on kit so there is a lot of piping that has to be ran which i purchased from a reliable vendor on this Bimmerforum site. Since i already have the W/I kit i really don't need a inter-cooler but i thought it would look cool plus provide the added cooling affect.

I decided to go with this kit because Vendors are not providing a bolt on system for my car and there is not a lot of support for E60 530i when it comes to F/I. Hopefully i can get a lot of support from you guys on the forumhttp://images.bimmerforums.com/smilies/smile.gif

Wish me luck and i plan on taken photos once i have everything in place.

Rito

sheefo2k

08-20-2007, 08:54 PM

Wow I cant wait. keep the up the good word. sounds good so far.

Activ3

08-20-2007, 08:58 PM

Good luck bro! I think yourself, pei, and icosaca are the most driven at building the non-m motors. I know you'll be successful with the turbo setup, since you are one of the few seriously taking it on.

I thought you were going all nitrous? What happened with that?

ritos530i

08-20-2007, 09:37 PM

Thanks guys. Yes me, adam and icosaca are the extreme or maybe not. I think most people get caught up on what someone else said and run with that and it kind of stops the other guys from doing what they wanted to do because it was not popular with someone else. That's not me.

As in my nitrous setup; it's not going anywhere and i think in the end we will know why.

Well i have the intercooler, intake piping and boost gauge already and think i will start the install those things either tonight or tomorrow. I haven't even took it out the box. The main unit should be in by thursday and hopefully i have the injectors by saturday.
Still sourcing them. 62#

zeshon

08-20-2007, 09:46 PM

Keep up the good work bro. I'm excited to see where this project goes.

ritos530i

08-20-2007, 11:37 PM

I am trying to figure out how i want to mount the intercooler.
From my understanding there is only one way to mount the intercooler but seems i could turn my bottom outlet/inlet intercooler into a top outlet/inlet intercooler. I guess i am asking if i want to mount the inlet/outlets on the bottom or top does it really matter?

Thanks
rito

ritos530i

08-21-2007, 12:05 AM

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5425/intercoolerboostgauge00rk8.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intercoolerboostgauge00rk8.jpg)

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9909/intercoolerboostgauge00jq9.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intercoolerboostgauge00jq9.jpg)

These are the current parts i have already besides all the piping still boxed up. The rest of the things should be here by Thursday. I guess i am going to try and get the gauge mounted and the intercooler in place before the rest of the things get here. I am getting lazy since i have already completed one long project.

zeshon

08-21-2007, 12:44 AM

Put the inlet/outlet on the bottom.

ritos530i

08-21-2007, 01:18 AM

damnit i was hoping i could do it the other way. It seems easier for me to do it from the top. I didn't plan well so i have to live with it if it has to go on the bottom

On the passenger side i have little room at the bottom. I guess the pipe will have to show a little

Activ3

08-21-2007, 02:15 AM

ritos530i

08-21-2007, 03:49 AM

well, i am seriously considering having the pros do the install if they will allow me to take photos and assist with install.

If not then hopefully my so call friends come through for me with the welding as they promise.

Another question; I will be taping the oil line from the turbo to the oil sending unit and i was wondering if anyone has any photos available of how they install the fittings. If not someone with detail instructions.

Thanks

ritos530i

08-22-2007, 09:02 PM

The turbo arrived today and looks like a lot of stuff that has to be done. Any local Turbo guys are welcome to come and assist.

Looks like i will not be doing the install alone because there is a lot of welding to be done. Photos below.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5172/bluetialtm7.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bluetialtm7.jpg)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7742/clampsandairfilteriv8.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clampsandairfilteriv8.jpg)
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5834/chrometialpe9.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chrometialpe9.jpg)
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9084/intercoolerfw0.th.jpg (http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=intercoolerfw0.jpg)
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9954/turbojk5.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turbojk5.jpg)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2388/turbofittingsjm8.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turbofittingsjm8.jpg)

Well i am going to be reading alot to figure this thing out.

Enjoy

Rito

Activ3

08-22-2007, 10:18 PM

beautiful!

I'm assuming you don't have any piping made yet? If not, then yea, it's gonna take some work getting all of the bends cut and welded... You'll also need the intake pipe modified for the idle valve.

Is that a fuel pressure regulator???

I'm sure you could mount the manifold and turbo and snap a pic for us though :D

ritos530i

08-22-2007, 10:40 PM

Thanks,
I have lots of piping not displayed however, i will be fabing everything to fit. This style turbo just mounts right in the exhaust and from there i will be running custom piping. I was wonder if i could take it to the muffler shop and have them just get the thing mounted. my concerns were how is it going to affect the turbo without the oil lines until i get it back home for the rest of the fitting(intake to intercooler and intercooler to intake then mounting of oil cooler, BOV and wastegasket. Seems it would just blow threw turbow and out in the air. Let me know if anyone has tried this.

Activ3

08-22-2007, 11:07 PM

I don't think thats a smart idea... I'd just have them mount the manifold and turbo so you can have your exhaust built, but then if anything run the car home without the turbo bolted on to the manifold. You don't want it to spin it if theres no oil in it...

ritos530i

08-22-2007, 11:09 PM

Thanks for the clarification. I will tow it if the guys decides he wants to do it

clean-m-tech330

08-23-2007, 04:57 AM

hey i don't mean to thread jack, but I'm going to be selling my defi gauges, all brand new, never installed with a link unit 2, let me know if you're interested-

-Chris

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 05:20 AM

hey i don't mean to thread jack, but I'm going to be selling my defi gauges, all brand new, never installed with a link unit 2, let me know if you're interested-

-Chris

Thanks Chris i have a boost gauge and W/B gauge can you post photos of the guage you are talking about.

Thanks

Rito

Oshin02

08-23-2007, 05:42 AM

Good luck! there will be a lot of sweat and blood but you will pull threw, lol. I love the whole non traditional rear mounted turbos. your going to love that spool noise behind your ear.

-Oshin P.

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 05:45 AM

Good luck! there will be a lot of sweat and blood but you will pull threw, lol. I love the whole non traditional rear mounted turbos. your going to love that spool noise behind your ear.

-Oshin P.
Thanks,
I have not sleep all night trying to figure out the routing and come up with a good plan of attack.
At 11am a friend of mine is suppose to drop by and brain storm and see how far we can get in the installation.

Wish me luck and thanks again

Rito

Oshin02

08-23-2007, 05:46 AM

why dont you jsut tap the oil lines and have everything ready but blocked off at the end. So when your done at the exhasut shop. you can jsut screw them on without any worries with a turbo spinning dry. I call a major negative on that.

-Oshin P.

Thanks,
I have lots of piping not displayed however, i will be fabing everything to fit. This style turbo just mounts right in the exhaust and from there i will be running custom piping. I was wonder if i could take it to the muffler shop and have them just get the thing mounted. my concerns were how is it going to affect the turbo without the oil lines until i get it back home for the rest of the fitting(intake to intercooler and intercooler to intake then mounting of oil cooler, BOV and wastegasket. Seems it would just blow threw turbow and out in the air. Let me know if anyone has tried this.

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 05:52 AM

why dont you jsut tap the oil lines and have everything ready but blocked off at the end. So when your done at the exhasut shop. you can jsut screw them on without any worries with a turbo spinning dry. I call a major negative on that.

-Oshin P.

That sounds like a plan and i have thought about this too.
When you say tap the oil lines do you mean remove the oil pressure switch and mount my T fitting and run lines? If so that might be the way i go. Also i am co-dependant on others to help with the install since they have experience doing turbos and i don't but that is definately a good route to go and if i can mount those things and head to the shop i might be turboed before the weekend. The other thing is i am waiting on my injectors source. Seems i should have had them by now. Will my stock 24# handle 5psi of boost until i get the other injectors installed.

Activ3

08-23-2007, 12:41 PM

That sounds like a plan and i have thought about this too.
When you say tap the oil lines do you mean remove the oil pressure switch and mount my T fitting and run lines? If so that might be the way i go. Also i am co-dependant on others to help with the install since they have experience doing turbos and i don't but that is definately a good route to go and if i can mount those things and head to the shop i might be turboed before the weekend. The other thing is i am waiting on my injectors source. Seems i should have had them by now. Will my stock 24# handle 5psi of boost until i get the other injectors installed.

I think he means to tap in to the oil pan so that the turbo can get lubrication when spinning. This way you could still drive with the turbo installed, although not connected to the intake. Basically you'd be driving around with your stock intake, etc., but with a turbo manifold and turbo installed, but not actually boosting. You're car will be slow, but safe enough to drive.

edit: i just realized it was a rear mounted setup :banghead: scratch what I said about the manifold, I was referring to the header style manifold. have you found where you're going to mount the rear manifold? I think you could mount that and build the full exhaust, and be ready to just install the intake pipe once you get your injectors and piping finished.

MachRc

08-23-2007, 01:03 PM

:excited::confused::hmm::excited::thumbsup::bow:

I wanna see this work!!!!!

Lemonsqr

08-23-2007, 01:30 PM

What are you doing for engine (fuel curve) management?

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 08:17 PM

What are you doing for engine (fuel curve) management?
i will be remapping the stock ECU with a custom tune. And if you are asking if i can tune the MS45.1 Yes i have already done a tune, well my tuner did the Tune but i wanted to fine tune things after new setup.

BTW
I manage to get the bumper off and inplaced the intercooler in this location in the photos. My problem is how to route the pipe from the intercooler to the TB (90 degree bind and through firewall into engine bay, 90 degree bind going straight up and another 90 degree bind towards the TB. I was also thinking about just remove the Brake cooling vents but not sure if its a good idea.

See photos below

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6651/mountedintercooler1bj0.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mountedintercooler1bj0.jpg)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4039/mountedintercooler2zv7.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mountedintercooler2zv7.jpg)

Activ3

08-23-2007, 08:37 PM

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 08:41 PM

As I suggested earlier, I think you should cut off the ends on the intercooler and weld the 90 degree elbow on to it. That way you can get by the ducts by just bending them a little, or you may not have to even modify them.
OH snap, That's a bright idea. Don't go anywhere and make sure you keep responding. I don't know how i missed this and if i do it that way i don't have to worry about the pipe blowing off there. This is genius!!!:thumbsup:

Activ3

08-23-2007, 08:44 PM

OH snap, That's a bright idea. Don't go anywhere and make sure you keep responding. I don't know how i missed this and if i do it that way i don't have to worry about the pipe blowing off there. This is genius!!!:thumbsup:

For sure :) I wish I had the funds and time to do a project like this... Unfortunately I don't so at least I can tag along watching yours :pimpin:

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 08:48 PM

Cool. Want to come up tomorrow and help? Yes i am serious :)

Activ3

08-23-2007, 08:51 PM

Cool. Want to come up tomorrow and help? Yes i am serious :)

I would seriously drive up one day... but I'm actually in Miami right now visiting family, and won't be back in orlando till Sunday... When do you expect to have this whole thing finished?

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 09:34 PM

I am trying to finish over the weekend. Once my crew gets all together it will make the progress run smoother and i just have to focus on the design and not the work. I will have someone who is good at wiring, a welder, and a labor man.

I do have one question for you though and i know this have been raised before somewhere on the site but i don't really think many people have a lot experience with. here goes.

The Stock ECU is MS45.1 which i and many others believe will handle a 4-5 psi of boost for a short time. We even believe that if the car could survive for a few weeks the ECU will make the adjustments on it's own by the MAF sensor readings it sees. Now I already have a nitrous tune on the car that pulls timing when it sees ****** what ever that is and I don't see why it would not react the same when it is on boost. Now if i have not gotten my custom tune for nitrous it would be advised not to try it.

My Tuner just sent me a email informing me that based on the map i have and the dyno i just done with and without nitrous i am rich enough to run the turbo and he could provide a better tune once i get to him using the dyno. so scratch my last point.

Rito

Activ3

08-23-2007, 09:50 PM

yea if you already have a tune that richens it up a bit and adjusts timing, what you can do is this: strap in on to the dyno, and do a quick pull. however, when you're running it, keep you're eye on the AFR. If it stays in the 13s you can keep going until redline to get an idea of how lean you're running. But, I honestly don't think it will stay in the 13s, LOL, you actually should hope it leans out right away :D SO, just run it and once it goes above 14 stop, and tune it a little, and then so on.

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 10:32 PM

Thanks that is what i thought.

Hopefully this can happen over the weekend.
Oh one of my friends has a guy that will let us use his shop to finish up this weekend. This way when i have the crew there i can just take photos and watch for the out come.
Still trying to find a good price on injectors that i could get in by Saturday. Looks like i will need 62# :)

e36Brent

08-23-2007, 10:46 PM

Sweet good stuff man and keep us updated!!! :hi:

Tyler@UniqueDesign

08-23-2007, 11:01 PM

ritos530i

08-23-2007, 11:08 PM

Good luck with it. I'm curious to see how it works out. Be careful with your piping to make it as restriction free as you can, you lose efficiency that way (you know this I'm sure). Is there a reason you prefer the MS45.1 to just going with a piggyback? It seems that a piggyback would be more suitable to having a boost controller etc....and your timing alone could be programmed on the stock ECU if you preferred.

Is it a cost thing or just a simplicity matter?

I'm watching closely because the Z kits are coming out, I am really tempted, and I want to see how your car reacts compared with the other FI in the BMW crowd since the level of tuning is MUCH MUCH more refined in the BMW market than the typical Z market (where a bunch of people tune it themselves :eeps:)

I am just trying to use my Stock ECU which is already tuned. It's the MS45.1, so that's one of the reason for bringing it up. The other reason is, i would not be able to reach my tuner in the time that i will need the new tune so i will be driving to him 3 hours away. It's not a money issue :pimpin:
Oh, I believe they have already started to selling the 350z kits but haven't officially posted on the site. You might get in on a good deal if you react now.

Another thing is i prefer using my

Activ3

08-24-2007, 02:40 AM

ritos530i

08-24-2007, 02:41 AM

600+cc

This is not the exact number but its some where between 600-650cc

ritos530i

08-26-2007, 02:09 AM

Activ3

08-26-2007, 10:27 AM

Oh i ended up getting the 65lbers I thank they are rated at 680cc and way. I have the car all prepped for the turbo install this weekend and Intercooler in its place. Well My crew desided not to show up all weekend but i will not count on them ever again.Activ3 I should have flown you end. Anyway On monday i will take it to a local shop and have them fab the intercooler and turbo piping. This would have been easier if they made a custom pipe work already but that's what happen when you are the first to try something.
I have the bumper back on with intercooler sitting up front. Looks nice. I will post a photo once i pull her out of the garage.
Rito
Sucks about your crew man... Anyways, any good muffler shop shop be able to fab. the piping easily. I'm sure you already know this, but make sure it's all mandrel bent piping. I'm not sure about the e60 engine bay, but if it's similar to the e46 in relation to where the intake box sits, there should be plenty of room when the intake is removed to have the piping routed through there with a nice BOV visible :D

Tyler@UniqueDesign

08-26-2007, 12:53 PM

I am just trying to use my Stock ECU which is already tuned. It's the MS45.1, so that's one of the reason for bringing it up. The other reason is, i would not be able to reach my tuner in the time that i will need the new tune so i will be driving to him 3 hours away. It's not a money issue :pimpin:
Oh, I believe they have already started to selling the 350z kits but haven't officially posted on the site. You might get in on a good deal if you react now.

Another thing is i prefer using my

Yeah, they are selling for $5500 or less with injectors, fuel pump, and UTEC. Its a damn steal but I still owe a few grand on the car, and don't want to get myself more upside down and boosting it until I can afford to build the motor (should something happen).

ritos530i

08-26-2007, 04:06 PM

Sucks about your crew man... Anyways, any good muffler shop shop be able to fab. the piping easily. I'm sure you already know this, but make sure it's all mandrel bent piping. I'm not sure about the e60 engine bay, but if it's similar to the e46 in relation to where the intake box sits, there should be plenty of room when the intake is removed to have the piping routed through there with a nice BOV visible :D

Yes it's simular to the E46 with more space. I am taking it to the shop first thing in the morning. I am going to get this sorted with or without help. I should have installed the other things but it's a biatch trying to do with just a jack stand. STS has a shop about three hours away that can do the whole thing. I may just get on the road and head that route since i have to be near there this week for work. I could just drop off the car and get a rental and come back through their with hopes of burning some rubber all the way home. Then i will be heading to florida for a few days since my son will be flying back to Germany from Orlando. If you are back i can let you check it out in person, But thats if i have it done.

Yeah, they are selling for $5500 or less with injectors, fuel pump, and UTEC. Its a damn steal but I still owe a few grand on the car, and don't want to get myself more upside down and boosting it until I can afford to build the motor (should something happen).
They have a cheaper version for the the center routed kits. $3900-$4500. The differents is the side mount provides more cooling affect since its not close to the exhaust like the center routed. The center routed provides more driveable clearance if you are low to the ground or around lots of speed bumps.

Tyler@UniqueDesign

08-26-2007, 05:24 PM

They have a cheaper version for the the center routed kits. $3900-$4500. The differents is the side mount provides more cooling affect since its not close to the exhaust like the center routed. The center routed provides more driveable clearance if you are low to the ground or around lots of speed bumps.
I'd get the center routed and add an intercooler etc., its just I don't have the money.

Its going to be a lot more in a couple years like everything else for my car :(.

ritos530i

08-26-2007, 05:38 PM

dave96dcm

08-26-2007, 06:16 PM

ritos530i

08-26-2007, 07:27 PM

I would also recommend a oil scavenging oump to pull the oil out of the turbo and pump it back into the oil pan, you will need this because the oil that is pumped into the turbo will not gravity dran back into the oil pan and will cause too much backpressure of oil in the turbo and blow the oil seals.

The kit comes with everything i need. The only problem is its not a prefabed kit so all the pipe work will have to be cut, weld and fabbed for fitting. I have everything else plus all the upgrades.

Tyler@UniqueDesign

08-26-2007, 11:17 PM

What do you do for a living? Can you do this install on your own if needed. I am asking because you have to factor in the cost of the kit plus install cost. The good thing you kit would be a bolt on style kit.

I am sending you a PM9 Months of school left & working part time as a truss designer for wood truss systems, mostly floor. I've kindof been pigeon holed into large buildings with complex setups (aka really big apartment buildings that are surrounding a parking garage instead of spread into multiple small buildings. Pays good, etc., but not enough for future.

I'll have a degree in civil engineering (transportation specialization) and have 3 job offers already in writing.

But I would do my own install and get my uncle to help with the welding since he has a lift and is a certified welder :). I also have access to my best friends dad's shop which has a few lifts and a VERY old loadable dyno (its so old it uses a torque converter for the loading).

ritos530i

08-30-2007, 05:46 PM

Sorry for no progress but i have been travel extensively since the last post so i haven't had time to install anything. I have received my injectors and addition piping for inter cooler since mine did not come with a kit.

Any-who. I was hoping someone could post up photos of the exact location of the oil feed line and return line. i know most of you guys have tapped into your oil pan but i was trying to avoid this. The kit comes standard to tap the Oil cap but i wasn't sure if i could do this. Also the second option is for tapping the valve cover. Has anyone tapped these areas and if so can you post photos.

MachRc

08-31-2007, 12:58 PM

maybe you can get one of those modified dipstick from ess and avoid tapping the pan.

ritos530i

08-31-2007, 01:08 PM

Do you have a link to the modified dip stick

BartenderPlease

08-31-2007, 02:55 PM

Can't wait till this is done! I'll have to come down for a ride some time! :rofl:

ritos530i

08-31-2007, 04:45 PM

I tried getting my exhaust done today and the guy said not until next Saturday. Or i could take it to NC and they will finish the whole thing and i want get the luxury of doing it myself. I still haven't decided. I am just ready to boost.

Activ3

09-03-2007, 12:20 PM

updates?

sheefo2k

09-03-2007, 12:23 PM

updates?

ritos530i

09-03-2007, 05:57 PM

sorry i don't have any updates. I have been traveling and tried to source a muffler company to fab the pipe work up for me since this is not a bolt on kit. I found one company that would do the fabing for me but not until this Saturday. I will be leaving for Orlando within a few days and hopefully back before that time. The other option i have is to wait until the 10th of September and drive 3 hours to have them do the entire kit to include fab work, wiring, and testing of everything. the problem with that is they want the car for 5 days to get it right. But it would cost more and i don't get the joy of doing it myself.
What do you guys think i should do. Have it done by the people who does this kit all the time, keeping my car for a week or renting a muffler shop for a day and knock it out myself with muffler shop doing all the pipe work. It's too bad i don't know someone in Orland that could do it in two days because i would bring everything and stay there for two days if it could be done.

Let me know
Rito

aj526@bluepoint2go

09-03-2007, 06:07 PM

ill take it to the place in charleston and drive your ride for the weekend :)

ritos530i

09-03-2007, 11:08 PM

That's what i want to do, i just don't want to run into any hurdles if i get stuck.

aj526@bluepoint2go

09-03-2007, 11:11 PM

have you looked around for a place in columbia? least it would only be an hour or so drive, instead of 3. I am going to the bodyshop tomorrow I will ask the guy if he knows of anywhere as well.

Tyler@UniqueDesign

09-03-2007, 11:42 PM

That's what i want to do, i just don't want to run into any hurdles if i get stuck.

Call the good Japanese turbo shops. There are a couple VERY reputable Z shops that have done the fastest Z's in the country. Theres one of the best supra shops in the world as well. Sure your car isn't a Toyota or Nissan, but a turbo is a turbo when it comes to hardware. Might be more $$ though.

ritos530i

09-04-2007, 12:04 AM

If i can get my sales rep to refer me to someone in Orlando and they can do the job in two days, that's what i will be doing when i am in orlando

Activ3

09-04-2007, 09:34 AM

If i can get my sales rep to refer me to someone in Orlando and they can do the job in two days, that's what i will be doing when i am in orlando
Would that be this weekend? If I'm in town I'd love to stop by and check it out :thumbup:

ritos530i

09-04-2007, 01:36 PM

I want be there this weekend i will be there tomorrow mid day.(Wednesday)

MachRc

09-04-2007, 02:04 PM

Activ3

09-04-2007, 04:51 PM

I want be there this weekend i will be there tomorrow mid day.(Wednesday)

Are you going to have the car with you? It'd be great to come check it out :craig:

ritos530i

09-04-2007, 10:25 PM

Yes i will have the car with me. If i knew someone that could do the kit in Orlando i would stay there until it was done. I just did not have time to coordinate anything and i don't know many places in Orlando.

ritos530i

09-04-2007, 10:36 PM

I thought I posted a reply but it was sitting here all weekend in the back cpu!

the modified dipstick you can prob source out from ESS by emailing asjborn, its the oils return line(yeah it should be) for a centri blower. If you want I can send you my old dipstick so you hack and slash with it to your fitting..so let me know yo..

its not an easy task as we can see you stuggling to git it going. But the whole community is chanting for you man.

turbo

turbo

turbo!!

Thanks for the support. If Ess has the oil dip stick and will let me purchase it seperate i would get it.
If not send it to me. I can supply my address.

It hasn't been that difficult with the exception of not have dependable people. Three guys that could weld really good stood me up and now i am having to resource everything again. If i could weld then i would have finished already. LOL

Here is some photos of the intercooler with finder mounted.
its too bad the turbo isn't connected.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3742/intercoolershot1vi1.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8150/intercoolershot2yn9.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3451/intercoolershot3bu4.jpg

Activ3

09-04-2007, 10:41 PM

If I could help ya I would bro, but I just moved to Orlando a few weeks ago and really I'm not too familiar with the place yet haha.

ritos530i

09-04-2007, 10:53 PM

If I could help ya I would bro, but I just moved to Orlando a few weeks ago and really I'm not too familiar with the place yet haha.
I know you would.
Well if you want to hookup i will be there by noon. I just have to get my son to the airport by 745pm. After he goes through security I will be free and just hanging around my hotel. I should be staying at AmeriSuites

Well you can see the nitrous system i have. Maybe i will bring one of my bottles with me if not both.

Rito

Activ3

09-04-2007, 10:59 PM

sure, I'll PM you my number now :thumbup:

ritos530i

09-08-2007, 11:19 PM

OK, For those of you that care to know what i am up to and how my project is coming along, I have some updates and photos will be posted tomorrow(Sorry i left my camera in the guys car that brought me home.)

Any who, The custom exhaust work started this morning from the manifold back to the custom turbo work. The piping was done with a y from the manifolds to a Four inch pipe for about 18inches back to a three inch pipe. The purpose of this was to create a semi resonator/muffler housing since i had mine removed for exhaust sound and performance. Also it gives it a deep exhaust sound instead of sounding like a loud axx Honda civic(no offense Honda owners). Also we shifted the exhaust to one side to make clearance room for the intake piping to be ran from the rear up to the inter-cooler.
Because of the front suspension i am having to run the intake charge pipe under the car (out in the open) but only right around the front suspension/tires and back up to the inter-cooler on the passenger side. I know none of this makes any since right now but when i post the photos tomorrow you will get the idea of what i have to do in order to make it all work.

After finishing the exhaust we still had time to started welding the turbo flanges that mounted to the exhaust with a integrated pipe for the wastgate. Also i created a pipe that ran off the wastegate out to the rear of the car. Since it came so far back i painted it flat black with high temp exhaust pipe. Blends in perfect with the car.

Well it took us armatures a while to figure out what was the best way to run all the piping and neither of us has ever done a turbo car before. Hopefully some of my supposedly friends (Turbo EVO Guys) that always promise to show up will get by tomorrow to help with some of the routing of boost gauge, boost controller, PCV setup and oil pump routing/tapping.

I am still trying to figure out where to return the oil from the turbo and not tap the oil pan. Someone on the E46 fanatic forum recommended tapping the Oil dipstick. (Come on you created guys give me some ideas) I guess this is going to be my route.

Oh we had one headache that i need to figure out by tomorrow. When i was at the parts store the guy helping me out was mounting the wastegate and one of the bolts broke so now i am doing a Google search to figure out the best way we can remove the bolt in order to mount the wastegate back on.

Stay tune for photos coming tomorrow and hopefully i am turbo charged.:eek:

ritos530i

09-11-2007, 03:03 AM

(http://forum.e46fanatics.com/***91;/IMG]http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3782/turbokit001ev6.th.jpg)had to delete photos and resize see two post down for resized photos.

sheefo2k

09-11-2007, 03:16 AM

more pics..

regarding the oil return why not jsut tape into the oil pan?

ritos530i

09-11-2007, 03:39 AM

Ok Guys and Gals, I have photos of the welding/pipework.
It's not as pretty as the kits that comes from Venders like AA,ESS,HPF or any other vender but it's my work. I plan on painting the exhaust/pipework in the near future to give it a nice touch but for now i just wanted to get the kit installed.
Hope everyone enjoys the photos and comments are welcome. Still have to install boost gauge, boost controller, BOV, Air intake to the TB, Tap oil return into dipstick, and a few other odds and ends.

Rito

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1888/turbokit002hi5.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3198/turbokit003nl8.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7127/turbokit005to7.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5021/turbokit006cc8.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4859/turbokit008ep4.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7985/turbokit010zw2.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8918/turbokit011nz3.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8703/turbokit012nm8.jpg

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6586/turbokit014bb2.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/2342/turbokit015js3.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9019/turbokit016fx1.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9464/turbokit018pl3.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8868/turbokit020oc4.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4083/turbokit021gt9.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7769/turbokit022vz3.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5619/turbokit023tp5.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9459/turbokit024yq8.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3187/turbokit025cu3.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6273/turbokit026co2.jpg

Like i said before it's not the nices work but it's under the car and no one will see it.
Enjoy

pei330ci

09-11-2007, 07:28 AM

WOW!

You are one crazy mofo man!

Looks good so far, although your charge pipe going under the front subframe is a little worrying.

Can't wait to see this thing on the strip.

e46Bermann

09-11-2007, 08:57 AM

video video

Activ3

09-11-2007, 09:33 AM

Beautiful Rito!! When do you expect the rest to be done?

aj526@bluepoint2go

09-11-2007, 11:01 AM

i am going to have to swing by the end of the week(my car should be ready by then to) and check it out, looks nice :bow:

sheefo2k

09-11-2007, 11:13 AM

I m scared about the other pipe coming from the intercooler ?? i hope your not slammed or else you would be scrapping.

last but not least, look very good and you wont worry about heating up at all with that position.
Goodluck and keep us posted

sheefo2k

09-11-2007, 11:13 AM

i still think tap into the oil pan and call it a night

ritos530i

09-11-2007, 03:36 PM

Hey thanks all for all the props. As for the clearance of the intake side of the intercooler. Well it looks weird on the lift and also you would think it would not have good clearance but it does. I had it towed home today for the final install now since the had fabrications are done. When we pushed it off the lift which is five inches off the ground out of the bay it hit hard but nothing hit under the car. So the clearance is perfect.

Tonight i will be grinding the weld intake pipe for the MAF and BOV. This guy made it from scrap so right now its not pretty.
I will take a before i grind and paint photo to show the difference. if i can get some good paint for the coating i will attemp this as well.
I still have a lot of work to do and hopefully i can get it done by Friday morning. I will be heading to North Carolina for a buddies promod race. If i get it finished in time i will be driving the car.

MachRc

09-11-2007, 04:36 PM

ritos530i

09-11-2007, 04:44 PM

your modifiable dipstick is on route! via fed-ex, sent it out sat.
----------------------
Tracking number
791759617533

Estimated delivery
Sep 12, 2007 by 7:00 PM

Destination
goose creek, SC
Service type
FedEx 2Day Service
Weight
4.0 lbs.

Status
In transit

Oh snap i forgot about that. I will do this last.

Thanks so much man.
Need any free flow cats. I have some they are new/never been used still in the box. They are only for 3"+custom exhaust.

Rito

MachRc

09-11-2007, 04:48 PM

no rito thnx though:)

I just hope you can work some magic and make it work well with your setup.
If not you can always use it to club the bo0st guys that didnt show up on a later date:P

good luck man and nice pix!!!!!!!!!!!

ritos530i

09-11-2007, 05:02 PM

sheefo2k

09-11-2007, 06:43 PM

hahaha so you never told me why not tap into th oilpan?

Activ3

09-11-2007, 06:47 PM

hahaha so you never told me why not tap into th oilpan?

He mentioned to me that he doesn't really want to modify the oil pan, seeing as the car is still fairly new. Using the modded dipstick will work fine and is reversable.

sheefo2k

09-11-2007, 06:58 PM

yea i guess but the whole new thing doesn't make sense to me since hes too deep into this project and also deep into NO2 so o well.

hey give me more info on the modfied dip stick.

Activ3

09-11-2007, 07:00 PM

yea i guess but the whole new thing doesn't make sense to me since hes too deep into this project and also deep into NO2 so o well.

hey give me more info on the modfied dip stick.
to each his own I guess.

the dipstick is the one that ESS provides with their kit. I've never seen one in person, but as I imagine, it just has a sprout attatched to it near the bottom so that oil can travel through it.

sheefo2k

09-11-2007, 07:04 PM

thats exactly what i imagined it to be.

ritos530i

09-11-2007, 07:52 PM

If you take a look at the bottom of your oil pan you will see how there is a split section at the bottom.
One comes from under the intake manifold on my car and the other is the dipstick. The other piece i am referring to is a hose that can be pulled off and all you have to do is put a T plastic fitting between the hose connect to the dipstick. Since its design to just fit a hose right on top it will seal perfectly.
The only reason anyone would tap there oil pan is because they are not using a oil pump as i am they are letting gravity take place by allowing the oil to flow downward. I don't need to do this.
As Active3 said, I do not want to open something that could possibly cause any future leaks on such a new car. Giving the same setup on any car i probably would not tap the oil pan. Too much work involved in my car. What i think others or forgetting is i have a oil pump that will be pumping the oil back to the return so it doesn't matter where i tap as long as it's going back into the oil lines.

ritos530i

09-12-2007, 02:02 AM

ritos530i

09-12-2007, 03:27 AM

Hey all i wasn't going to post this photo of unfinished product but later was convienced to show the transformation of where i started and where things will end.
This piece fo pipe was created for me since no one wants to make a tube style pipe for the MAF sensor. Mine was inside the housing of the Air box. The only way i could use it was to remove it and build a tube for it.

Again its a ugly thing now but when i grind, polish and clean it up for painting it would much better after i am done.
It's alot of hard work.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9729/turbokit028ip9.jpg
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9308/turbokit029sf9.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6067/turbokit030lu6.jpg

Now you see first hand what i am up against. the box is for the MAF sensor and the hole is for the BOV

Rito

pei330ci

09-12-2007, 03:53 AM

icosaca

09-12-2007, 09:12 AM

congrats on your project rito... it all seems to be coming along as it should.
keep it up.
regards
jorge saca

Activ3

09-12-2007, 11:00 AM

Well i am planning out my BOV and Boost gauge vacuums.

I have read to tap the Intake Manifold with a 1/8npt and connect the BOV there. Also if i want to use the same source for the Boost gauge i would need to T off the BOV connection.

Can some one confirm to me if this is correct or not.

Thanks

Rito

Rito, the back of the intake manifold contains several nipples and vacum lines already. You can simply tap in to one of those with a T-fitting, and run that out to your BOV. For the boost gauge, you can just use another T-fitting from that same line.

Activ3

09-12-2007, 11:01 AM

sheefo2k

09-12-2007, 11:08 AM

keep it going man. your almost there.

Tyler@UniqueDesign

09-12-2007, 11:48 AM

Yes, very original pipe there rito!

The e60 MAF is built in to the airbox, just like the e46 M3.

Same with my car - 2 mafs, on a pipe thats connected to the airbox. All the CAI systems have a pipe with a point where the element can bolt up like that. I think its becoming more and more common now.

ritos530i

09-12-2007, 03:07 PM

Just to explain what we're looking at. The "box" welded onto the pipe will hold the MAF sensor element. It's different on the E60 engines than the E46 it appears. (Rito explained that to me)
Thanks Adam
Very cool idea in my opinion.

congrats on your project rito... it all seems to be coming along as it should.
keep it up.
regards
jorge saca
Jorge thanks, This is a walk in the park compared to what you just done. LOL

Rito, the back of the intake manifold contains several nipples and vacum lines already. You can simply tap in to one of those with a T-fitting, and run that out to your BOV. For the boost gauge, you can just use another T-fitting from that same line.
David thanks for the tip i am working all this out today with diagrams so all i have to do is start connecting vacuum lines.

keep it going man. your almost there.
Thanks I am like right there. I could wake up in the morning and be like Hey i got boosted. LOL

ritos530i

09-12-2007, 03:10 PM

I am attaching a photo of the air intake connection to the TB.
My new pipe is not going to have these connections so what do i do with them. I mean the reference they were attached to.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9841/turbokit036xp5.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turbokit036xp5.jpg)

TaZaM3

09-12-2007, 04:32 PM

Looks like your doing a great job there. All these pieces will come together slowly and you will figure it all out. I love custom projects!

icosaca

09-12-2007, 05:23 PM

[QUOTE=ritos530i;6598772]Jorge thanks, This is a walk in the park compared to what you just done. LOL

LOL..... what i just did turned out great, except i am not getting the power due to boost loss........
now its all about spending that extra money i didnt think id have to spend....LOL......
i hope you reach your power goals....
regards
jorge saca

ritos530i

09-12-2007, 05:37 PM

Looks like your doing a great job there. All these pieces will come together slowly and you will figure it all out. I love custom projects!
Thanks for showing some love and once all the pieces come together i will be a happy son of &^^*(*(*

[quote=ritos530i;6598772]Jorge thanks, This is a walk in the park compared to what you just done. LOL

LOL..... what i just did turned out great, except i am not getting the power due to boost loss........
now its all about spending that extra money i didnt think id have to spend....LOL......
i hope you reach your power goals....
regards
jorge saca

Yes sir i hope i reach my goals too. I would be statisfied if i get over 300bhp and if this happens then i am on my way for bigger and better

have you figured out why you are loosing boost.
I just got off the phone with my adviser telling me some tips to avoid this.

Tyler@UniqueDesign

09-12-2007, 06:39 PM

have you figured out why you are loosing boost.[/COLOR]
I just got off the phone with my adviser telling me some tips to avoid this.
Its not that he is losing boost, its that the SC makes a certain CFM of air at a certain pressure. The changes he made to the engine allow for a larger CFM of air at the same pressure....but the SC doesn't adapt, so you have to change the speed of the blower to make the same PSI at the higher CFM. With your setup the boost will be dynamic to engine changes because the waste-gate/BOV controls the boost level

icosaca

09-12-2007, 06:53 PM

Its not that he is losing boost, its that the SC makes a certain CFM of air at a certain pressure. The changes he made to the engine allow for a larger CFM of air at the same pressure....but the SC doesn't adapt, so you have to change the speed of the blower to make the same PSI at the higher CFM. With your setup the boost will be dynamic to engine changes because the waste-gate/BOV controls the boost level

tyler explained exactly what happened..... i may have described it incorrectly as it is really not that im loosing boost, its more that the engine now breathes more by itself...thus, needs bigger blower.
regards
jorge saca

ritos530i

09-13-2007, 03:41 AM

Ok,
I am stuck with what to do with this hole that was once connected to my stock air pipe. My custom air pipe is not going to have a fitting for the hoses going to this hole.

What do i have to do if i want to have this plugged up.
See photos Read text

Thanks

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8011/turbokit037ij2.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turbokit037ij2.jpg)

Activ3

09-13-2007, 09:47 AM

ritos530i

09-13-2007, 09:48 AM

Thanks

Tyler@UniqueDesign

09-15-2007, 09:25 PM

Hows it coming?

ritos530i

09-15-2007, 11:07 PM

I am out of town for a Promod race. Will be back on sunday.
Thanks for asking.
I also had to order some additional things to make the intake work. Will be here Monday. Still not sure if it will work with the MAF sensor yet.
I don't really like my work on the intake and thinking about having one custom made.
Rito

Tyler@UniqueDesign

09-16-2007, 11:03 AM

ritos530i

09-16-2007, 01:50 PM

I don't think the stuff you posted pictures of looks too bad. The key in making a new MAF pipe is to keep the diameter the same (unless you retune....which you are) and to keep the element in the same relative position of the pipe.

LOL
You haven't seen how bad my paint job looks.
I should have taken it to a perfessional to do that.
I am back and will start doing what i can and see how things go from there.Still have to wait on a few things to finish up so maybe i might finish in the next few days.

Activ3

09-16-2007, 02:24 PM

Can't wait for updates :4ngie:

ritos530i

09-16-2007, 05:50 PM

Hey everyone i have installed the 65# injectors.
They are just less than a half inch longer than the stock injectors. What this is doing is not allowing the fuel rail to seat all the way down on braket connection that is screwed in.The injectors are completely sealed and seated in the manifold holes. I could get longer bolts that would at least mount the fuel rail so it stays in place.
Has anyone experience this and if so, what was the remedy?

Thanks
Rito

Activ3

09-16-2007, 07:26 PM

My injectors are the same way. The AA kit includes spacers and longer bolts that allow the fuel rail to fit by sitting higher.

ritos530i

09-16-2007, 08:05 PM

Do you have a photos of the spacers and bolts?
A link to them would be nice so i can get an idea of the ones i need.

Thanks that really takes off some of the load. they are sealed fine, fixed nicely and i did not want to just leave them with a big gap. Maybe AA can sponser those for me.
I know they are following along with the setup.

Rito

Activ3

09-16-2007, 08:12 PM

I think you could easily make them from some aluminum tubing and some extended bolts, all available at home depot. I'll snap a pic for ya tomorrow morning when there is light outside.

ritos530i

09-16-2007, 08:38 PM

Hey that's ok with the photos.
I am just gong to add a few washers and call it a day.
Now that i know this is normal

Rito

Activ3

09-16-2007, 08:42 PM

Hey that's ok with the photos.
I am just gong to add a few washers and call it a day.
Now that i know this is normal

Rito
Washers would do fine as well... But yea, the gap isn't anything to worry about at all.

ritos530i

09-17-2007, 11:44 PM

Ok,
I gave up on trying to figure this out myself and decided to turn to the forum for help.
For the life in me i do not know where to run the PCV kit with the turbo. The check valve provided was too small but i really don't know because i don't have any idea where it connects. It's just a one way check valve. Also there is a PCV switch valve that has to go somewhere but i just haven't figured this out and do not want to just connect it anywhere.

I am not a machenic so photos will help better.
Also i will provide this link for you to use to tell me what goes where.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model=NA73&mospid=47758&hg=11

Thanks in advance
Rito

ritos530i

09-21-2007, 05:30 AM

Just a few photos of minor things but hopefully i can move forward. still not completing this as it's disign to be done. If i would have stayed motivated throughout the install i would have been done a week ago.

I have finally got to the EBC Switch and Boost Gauge. The wideband was already install.
Also, i have a few photos of the air intake but they are not as pretty as i would like it to be.
Enjoy

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8607/airintakebov001rc1.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4230/airintakebov002rv3.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/682/boostgauge1on6.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8463/boostgauge2sq6.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4408/boostgauge3rt1.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2377/boostgauge4yu6.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9499/ebcswitcheb0.jpg

Activ3

09-21-2007, 11:35 AM

Lookin good Rito! What's next?

HPF Kyle

09-21-2007, 11:44 AM

Hey Ritos,
Maybe I missed a few things, what are you using for the fuel pump? Also do you think you are going to have problems with the MAF being so close to the BOV? Also why not run the MAF Trans?

Coming along! Keep it up. :)

-Kyle

MachRc

09-21-2007, 12:01 PM

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8463/boostgauge2sq6.jpg

serious!! who cares about what speeds were going if its less than 80:)

man!! you got the gauges all lined up already!!!

whats the silver button d0?

ritos530i

09-21-2007, 02:47 PM

Lookin good Rito! What's next?

Finishing the intake pipeing, i have to redue my nitrous bracket and just tighting up things. Still not sure about a few things.

Hey Ritos,
Maybe I missed a few things, what are you using for the fuel pump? Also do you think you are going to have problems with the MAF being so close to the BOV? Also why not run the MAF Trans?

Coming along! Keep it up. :)

-Kyle

Kyle,
Yes the BOV is one of my concerns and to add the maf to all this too. Thats part of the reason i am holding up.
I did you guys up grade the fuel pump on the M3s you are doing? Any recommendations is fine with me. For now i am just trying to get it back on the road with a conservative limit and hope to tweak out things.
To answer your question about the fuel i have upgraded the injectors to 65#s and will be getting it tuned for this on the 27th with a AEM piggyback.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8463/boostgauge2sq6.jpg

serious!! who cares about what speeds were going if its less than 80:)

man!! you got the gauges all lined up already!!!

whats the silver button d0?

The silver button is to my e-boost controller. Just flip the switch and I go from 6psi to ?:hi:

aggieE46

09-21-2007, 03:03 PM

Nice job, I can't wait to see what you can put down.

ritos530i

09-24-2007, 02:11 AM

Just to let everyone know i have finished everything but the intake pipe which is practically done and need to plug my nitrous system back in and I should be ready to start testing some boost.
The hold up is I haven't quite figured out how i am going to get around some radiator hose to make it clear the pulley/belt off the alternator. I need a custom piece to swirl around those pipes and up over the alternator then it's just tighten it down and crank it up. The other thing is I am suppose to install a PCV Check Valve/PCV switch for smog testing to make it illegal. Well in my area we don't have smog testing so I will try and do without it until i get it done by someone who knows where to install the thing. It also will be helpful when it comes to boosting the crank case since the stock PCV system isn't doing its job.

Any who, in reference to the intake pipe this tube off the brake booster going into the air intake pipe has no where to go/or should i say my new intake pipe work doesn't have a place for it. Can i just route it to a T of the connection going into the intake manifold?
See photo below.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1385/vacuumlineoffbrakeboostxf8.jpg

ritos530i

09-27-2007, 09:48 PM

Hey Guys and Gals,

I have finally pierced my car back together and Did my first engine crank since the install started 4 weeks ago.
Well after spend the last few weeks procrastinating and not getting it done i finally such ed it up and spent the last 24 hours none stop to finish the install. The is still a lot of work to do in order to optimize performance. I only ran the car for about 12 seconds due to oil spill coming from the fitting where i tapped for the turbo oil. Apparently the fitting they sent me and i purchased is not sealing so i am at bay once again to sort this out. May i will just tap it some more. I am exhausted and just want to relax for a bit and will return to try one more thing. Car overall sound good and lots of white smoke coming from the exhaust due to not being started in a while. (I hope that's what it is):)

The other thing is I had to completely redo my nitrous plumbing. I got rid of the black and red wiring going into the solenoid and add Steel lines to delete the current nitrous bracket black. This Intel cutting tubes, drilling holes, measurements etc etc.

Also, I am attaching a few photos of the final install. My work isn't pretty but it's done. I could have ran fiber optic cable from here to California with all the wires everywhere.:yikes:

Still don't know how the car will run until i fix the oil leak and another attempt to start her up again checking for any other leaks. Keep your fingers crossed and stay tune for the update.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4195/frontfinishedbw7.jpg
My oil spill from pressure sensor:cry:
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2779/turbosideintercoolerto9.jpg
Side view where you can see the pipes for intercooler.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4606/engineturbomessrp6.jpg
My cluster Fooked:eek:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1900/engineturbomess2ee4.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6572/engineturbomess3nr7.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4269/engineturbomess4zi4.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1219/turboenginnitroushk0.jpg

Enjoy,
Rito

Oshin02

09-27-2007, 10:20 PM

Almost there, keep it going!:thumbsup:

-Oshin P.

icosaca

09-27-2007, 10:54 PM

awesom job ritos.....
congrats on the progress, can wait to see it done.
regards
jorge saca

MSpired

09-27-2007, 10:56 PM

This should be an amazing project! Good luck! Can't wait to see the final product. :thumbsup:

ritos530i

09-27-2007, 10:56 PM

Well all the hard labor is done and once i tweak the small things it should be fine.
I will let you guys know of coarse.

Thanks jorge and oshin P

pei330ci

09-27-2007, 10:58 PM

Almost there, keep it going!:thumbsup:

-Oshin P.

^^ One of the Turbo pioneers of the board.

Rito, you are SOOO close!! You'll get there.

Activ3

09-27-2007, 11:11 PM

Lookin good Rito!!!

ritos530i

09-27-2007, 11:53 PM

If you take a look at the photo in my sig and the one posted after doing the new stall you can see the work intel.
Yo, Activ3 where have you been.
I could have used you on the install. I just knew you where taking the weekend to come help LOL

ritos530i

09-28-2007, 12:38 AM

Althought i think i have this sorted out, Adam made me post the photos of where i am leaking.
Please let me know what you guys will do to solve this simple issue.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3528/oilfitting001rz9.jpg
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9040/oilfitting002jg1.jpg

Rito

ritos530i

09-28-2007, 12:39 AM

I just notice the tape in the line from the photos. I better get this out now before i forget.

LOL

Activ3

09-28-2007, 12:44 AM

ritos530i

09-28-2007, 12:53 AM

Thats the oil filter housing right? I know that the housing is held on with a set of bolts, some long that go straight through to the other side with a gasket on the other end, and some that are short and simple...

The only thing I'd suggest to stop leaking is more Teflon tape and maybe some loctite?

Sorry I haven't been posting lately bro, I've been caught up with school quite a bit, especially now that it's getting more in to the semester...

What is in the photo is the location where it oil temp sensor is normally located. I pulled it out when trying to discover why it's leaking. Apparently the bolt needs more Teflon tape and possibly a washer to stop the leak.
This is something i can handle and it only takes a few minutes to fix. I under estimated how much tape to use but i want make that mistake again. Hopefully once this is seal i don't have anymore oil leaks.
I am sure i will be idling rough until i get my updated software done. I don't know why i didn't just send it out while i was doing the install.

David i was just joking with you man. I did not expect you to drive 5+ hours to help. Although i knew you would have if it wasn't for school.

Rito

Activ3

09-28-2007, 12:58 AM

Yea a washer might fix it.. at least your really close to being done... I bet your anxious, haha.

Man if I didnt have school I would have driven up a long time ago.. :4ngie:

pei330ci

09-28-2007, 02:05 AM

Rito,

You don't need more teflon tape...it won't help the problem.

Look at the adapter, see how the thread stops about 1/4" before the top.

Now look at what you trying to thread it into, the thread depth is probably only 1/4" as well.

The threads on the adapter are probably sitting on the the inside of the threads of the oil filter housing.

A washer may help line up the threads properly, but I'd look into getting an adapter that is completely threaded.

ritos530i

09-28-2007, 02:16 AM

I just add extra Teflon tape and sealant. Hopefully this does the trick. As long as all the oil leaks goes away i will be fine. I know the car is not going to idle correct for now but i will give it a few days to see what happens.

Yes i am so happy to be practically done. I pray this things cranks and run tomorrow.

ritos530i

09-28-2007, 02:19 AM

Activ3

09-28-2007, 09:47 AM

Rito, from what I remember, that plug has a large crush washer on it.. Maybe you should try another crush washer.

ritos530i

09-28-2007, 09:48 PM

Hey, I got the fitting to finally seal and now the line is leaking.
Damn Teflon take is not working.
I will be using something else.
Car is still not idle so i may just throw the 24lbs back in to see if it makes a difference until i get the tune which should be by Monday or Tuesday then i will throw back in the 65lbs.
We decided to tune it for 12lbs of boost and see where that will take me.

My question is if the car is not idleing properly how am i going to run the car to get the fuel data?

pei330ci

09-28-2007, 11:37 PM

ritos530i

09-28-2007, 11:51 PM

Running 65 Lb/hr injectors is not going to work at all unless you have your software adjusted. Here's why:

You are dumping 2.5 times the amount of fuel into the engine as it needs.

If your A/F ratio was 14.7:1 at idle, you are now at 6:1 which is great if you were running pure Alchohol, but you are not.

You are correct to move back to the 24 Lb/hr injectors.

Yes it makes since to put the 24lb/hr injectors back in but my question is how do you tune a car with larger injectors without having them installed? Can this just be an adjustment on the ECU and test it out. I ask this because my tuner wants me to run the car with the 65# injectors and record data. after this send it to him with DME so he can make adjustments based on the data reported.

Also he mention something about cutting the idle control out and using the DME to control idle. I surely don't know what this means.
Someone please explain.

Rito

ritos530i

09-29-2007, 01:52 AM

I changed back to the stock injectors and car runs perfect.:excited:
Still some smoke coming from the exhaust and i looked at the tale pipe near where the Turbo is located since mines in the back and loads of oil coming out of tail pipe. :censor:

Well this could only be one thing. The oil pump is not working properly so i will be getting back under the car to check this out. Maybe i wired it backwards.

We will see!

ritos530i

09-29-2007, 08:10 AM

Ok,
I changed the injectors back to the stock injectors car idles fine.
All oil line leaks are gone.
Traced the oil leak back to the turbo exhaust side. Since the turbo is mounted in the back i can look in the tail pipe and there is a load of oil coming out so obviously the pump wasn't working. Oil was getting to the turbo but it wasn't being removed fast enough. Well i repair the pump and not its working. So i started the car once more and since smoke was in the exhaust pipe excessive smoke was everywhere. I could not see a thing it was so thick. I figured if i drive the car for a bit it would evently go away so i drove around the block and you would think the mosquito man was spraying for bugs in the neighborhood. LOL:eeps:

Anyway i am stuck again with trying to figure out how to get all the oil out of the turbo so i can drive the thing without spraying smoke all of the place. I know the pump is working and it's going in the right direction now but during the initial startup (2 or three times) when pump was not working lots of oil got into the exhaust pipes.

What am i suppose to do? Drive the car until it stops smoking or remove the turbo and clean the thing but i am sure i can not get all that oil out of the pipes.

:eeps:

pei330ci

09-29-2007, 08:40 AM

Yes it makes since to put the 24lb/hr injectors back in but my question is how do you tune a car with larger injectors without having them installed? Can this just be an adjustment on the ECU and test it out. I ask this because my tuner wants me to run the car with the 65# injectors and record data. after this send it to him with DME so he can make adjustments based on the data reported.

Also he mention something about cutting the idle control out and using the DME to control idle. I surely don't know what this means.
Someone please explain.

Rito

To run the 65 Lb/hr injectors, you need to have the duty cycle reduced by roughly 270% at all load points. Only then will you be able to run the car and collect data.

Running with the 65s will be so rich, if you run it without adjusting the fuel curve, that you will foul your spark plugs and your O2 sensors before you get any useful data. I'm surprised that the "tuner" suggested this...

The Idle Control Valve is what currently controls your idle. That mystery port above the throttle body you asked about earlier is for this. There are six 1/4" diameter inlet runners that feed air to the cylinders just above the intake valves. If you look at pictures of any M54 cylinder head, you will see these little "ports" at the top right of the main intake ports. It's a very well thought out system that allows finite control of low RPM idle. You can remove the ICV, and use the throttle body to control idle, but it's not a feature that the stock DME was setup for. Aftermarket ECUs like Motec, Pectel, AEM, allow idle control to be controlled with a TB, but I'm not certain that the stock DME can do this.

The real question is: Why would you want to eliminate this feature?

The good news, is that a piggyback controller like Moristech, Powermod, and an AEM box could help you do a lot of tuning. The bad news is that these units limit fuel trim adjusts to a maximum of +/- 100%. You'd still have to come up with a way to reduce the fuel another 170% approximately with your current situation.

Keep at it Rito, it will work out!

ritos530i

09-29-2007, 09:16 AM

To run the 65 Lb/hr injectors, you need to have the duty cycle reduced by roughly 270% at all load points. Only then will you be able to run the car and collect data.

Running with the 65s will be so rich, if you run it without adjusting the fuel curve, that you will foul your spark plugs and your O2 sensors before you get any useful data. I'm surprised that the "tuner" suggested this...

The Idle Control Valve is what currently controls your idle. That mystery port above the throttle body you asked about earlier is for this. There are six 1/4" diameter inlet runners that feed air to the cylinders just above the intake valves. If you look at pictures of any M54 cylinder head, you will see these little "ports" at the top right of the main intake ports. It's a very well thought out system that allows finite control of low RPM idle. You can remove the ICV, and use the throttle body to control idle, but it's not a feature that the stock DME was setup for. Aftermarket ECUs like Motec, Pectel, AEM, allow idle control to be controlled with a TB, but I'm not certain that the stock DME can do this.

The real question is: Why would you want to eliminate this feature?

The good news, is that a piggyback controller like Moristech, Powermod, and an AEM box could help you do a lot of tuning. The bad news is that these units limit fuel trim adjusts to a maximum of +/- 100%. You'd still have to come up with a way to reduce the fuel another 170% approximately with your current situation.

Keep at it Rito, it will work out!

Hey Adam,
I might have explain it incorrectly as what the tuner wants to do. I wasn't clear about alot of things so i posted it here thinking someone like yourself would advise me. Thanks,

bTW, I already put the 24#s back into the car and it idles fine. The problem i am having now is when i was doing the first crank the oil pump never came on and it was feeding oil to the turbo but not pumping it back to the oil return. Anyway, while this was occurring it filled the exhaust pipe with oil. Not sure exactly how much. I took the car for a spin to see if it would burn off but apparently there is more oil than i expect. Because i smoked up the garage and the whole neighborhood.

I don't know if i should just run the car until it stop smoking or what's the remedy for a quick fix.

Oh, the car runs great with the stock injectors and current turbo tune. Made some boost tonight with 11.5-12.5 AFR:pimpin: at about 3psi. I did not gun the pedal i because of having the smoke issues.

I will report back to you guys once i know something..

Rito

aj526@bluepoint2go

09-29-2007, 09:36 AM

ill be back in town this week i am coming by to see, my car is coming along as well =)

ritos530i

09-29-2007, 10:06 AM

ill be back in town this week i am coming by to see, my car is coming along as well =)
I was wondering what happen to you. I hope all is well.

Let me know I should be here.

Rito

aggieE46

09-29-2007, 12:12 PM

Are you still pouring oil into the exhaust? Sounds like it may have popped a seal on the turbo. That's the only way that oil should be getting into the exhaust.

ritos530i

09-29-2007, 08:12 PM

Are you still pouring oil into the exhaust? Sounds like it may have popped a seal on the turbo. That's the only way that oil should be getting into the exhaust.
Once i got the pump to work the flow stopped. the problem is it had so much from the first spill it's a beach trying to get it out without smoking the entire neighborhood. Just a little embarrassed.

TaZaM3

09-29-2007, 08:53 PM

ritos530i

09-29-2007, 09:41 PM

Vic,
I have the Oil Feed on top and the oil drain on the bottom. It's not clocked or anything, straight up and down. Maybe i can explain better now that i had some rest.
Well after doing the install and finally getting the oil lines sorted oil was finally getting to the turbo. Well since it's a rear mounted turbo oil is going to flow to the turbo but not out of the turbo unless the pump is on. But of coarse this is not until the car is turned on .At this point the pump was not activating. I only had the car on for seconds to fix pump, but it was enough for the oil to get to the turbo. Oil will fill past the seals because it has no where else to go. So it's not the turbo at this point. I can tell you it was a lot of oil. Again the car hasn't been ran past idle. Any way I got the pump to work as it should and it was doing the job. The problem i am having before it started working my turbo is not full of oil. I assume i could just remove it and clean it but most of the oil pumped out last night/this morning during testing. I was a little embarrassed to drive the car to burn off the rest. I will take it for a spin tonight to burn off the rest.

Let me know if this makes since or i should be looking at a bigger task.

Thanks for the response any help is appreciated.

Rito

ritos530i

09-30-2007, 01:11 AM

Are you running a ball bearing turbo? Put a nitrous jet into the turbo oil feed line right at the turbo. Turbo's dont need much oil especially DBB turbo's. In most cases just an oil pump wont do it all, you need to have a tank to have oil sit after the turbo to prevent it as well.

I have to see how your turbo sits and where the oil inlet/outlet lines are to tell you more.

Just read this again and it's an excellent idea. Now where can i get this tank. From walmart or autozone somewhere. Send me a link of what it looks like. I have an extra nitrous fitting so that would not be fine. And yes i believe its a DBB turbo

TaZaM3

09-30-2007, 05:08 AM

<a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/tazavik/PutTogether/photo?authkey=8jEb8O1rfh8#5054497446523931042"><img src="http://lh4.google.com/tazavik/RiUupdItiaI/AAAAAAAAAOs/i6fRylSA0CU/s400/DSC00339.JPG" /></a>

Here is a picture of mine, AA made it in house.

Also try putting a smaller nitrous jet in the feed line at the turbo. Your oil pump probably takes awhile to heat up as well. What pump are you using? Must be a very good one for your application back there.

ritos530i

09-30-2007, 05:24 AM

ritos530i

09-30-2007, 07:24 PM

TAZA,
I just finished the install of the nitrous jet as upi suggested. I drilled a 1/16 hole in the jet. I did not have to do any grinding because of the type of jets i had fit perfectly, so i just screwed the line back on. Also, there is still a lot of oil in the pipes so it's going to smoke until it clears i am sure. I think this was an excellent idea and I really appreciate your help.

Rito

TaZaM3

09-30-2007, 07:39 PM

The pump that i am using comes from STS Rear Mounted turbo company so i am not sure of the specs.
Quick question. on the tank you have it has a nipple going to atmospheric correct? what purpose does it serve?

Im not sure actually.

TAZA,
I just finished the install of the nitrous jet as upi suggested. I drilled a 1/16 hole in the jet. I did not have to do any grinding because of the type of jets i had fit perfectly, so i just screwed the line back on. Also, there is still a lot of oil in the pipes so it's going to smoke until it clears i am sure. I think this was an excellent idea and I really appreciate your help.

Rito

Hopefully that nitrous jet is small enough.

ritos530i

09-30-2007, 07:48 PM

The only problem i see is that the nitrous jet will be too small and the buzzer connected with the pump will sound off. It's looking for a certain amount of oil to flow thru and once it sees a restriction it will be buzzing. So hopefully it's not too small.

turboaddiction

10-01-2007, 12:04 AM

I am really liking this build. A lot of BMW guys have sort of laughed at the rear mounted idea but then again that usually happens with something which is new and people don't have good knowledge on the subject.

I have always been a big supporter because there are so many wonderful things about this type of turbo system.
-Keep stock exhaust almost to turbo.
-Keep the cats so it is green friendly.
-Keep the headers which is also cool if you bought aftermarket.
-Don't have to make or purchase a new turbo manifold or downpipe.
-It is very stealth.
-More room for turbo.
-No added heat in engine bay.
-etc.

I can't wait until you work it all out! :thumbsup:

ritos530i

10-01-2007, 12:13 AM

Thanks Cameron,
I may have this thing sorted out. I am just scared to drive the thing until the smoke is gone. It's just too much in the exhaust to get out by flooding or washing the pipe without have a lift to put it on and remove the entire exhause/intake pipe.
Yes i know how people can be that's why instead of just looking for 5psi i decided to got as high as 12psi just to make a better impression for people.
If i had to do it all over again I would have sent the car off for a week since it's taken 3weeks non driveable to get to this point. But all in all I can't wait to get pass the oil leak thing. This kit would have been great for the guys who are mechanic and are very knowledgeable about Turbos. They would have finished it up in a weekend if not a day.

I will let you guys know
Rito

ritos530i

10-01-2007, 09:16 PM

guys,
I am not sure how much oil is in the turbo that's causing so much smoke but I have about had enough.

The only thing i could think of is this; I am not connected to the oil pressure sensor because of the angle. Anyway i am connect to number 13 in the link below which is a oil/coolant temp sensor. I am wondering if there is a combination of oil and coolant coming from this line. If so that would be the cause of all the smoke.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=NA73&mospid=47758&btnr=11_2201&hg=11&fg=30

Please let me know what you guys think.

Rito

ritos530i

10-03-2007, 02:21 AM

I confirm that the sensor i am tapped into is just oil only. Anyway i drilled a hole in the exhaust and intake in the lower points just off the turbo to see if there is oil draining threw. Not one drop! My assumption is there is lots of oil in the turbine housing or the adapter i placed in the oil feed line is not suffient.

ritos530i

10-04-2007, 10:14 PM

I added another fitting in the oil feed line at the oil filter housing T. Here is a video of what the oil burn looks like know. still alot of oil left to burn off but I can finally see the garage. and the car once the smoke starts. Taza might be right about the other whole being too big.

Here is a video:

http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1004080it5.flv (http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1004080it5.flv)

ritos530i

10-04-2007, 11:33 PM

There is no more smoke coming from the exhaust :excited:

Howevery there is some oil at the tail pipe so i can not say I am exactly too excited.
Anyway, time for a drive and test for other issues.

New smoke video:thumbsup:

http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smoke4pz9.flv

aggieE46

10-05-2007, 07:00 AM

If you need it:

http://www.jgstools.com/turbo/index2.html

They sell an inline pressure orifice to fix over-oiling.

But, looks like you may be fine.

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 11:22 AM

the sad part is i have one already LOL

But she is fine now. Just let her heat up and she is ready.
Now that i have that out of the way just fine tuning her to get the most power with out blowing it up.

aggieE46

10-05-2007, 11:24 AM

Sounds like fun :)

Good luck.

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 11:40 AM

Brady,
Thanks i appreciate your support.

Rito

icosaca

10-05-2007, 12:00 PM

God Ritos.
your process is coming along nicely.
it seems your car is going to start up before mine...LOL.
good luck.
jorge saca

asianjedi

10-05-2007, 01:08 PM

What a fantastic thread!

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 01:16 PM

:pimpin:
I just took her for a nice spin around the block and I think she is ready for some highway testing. Since i am just breaking in the turbo the response time is not there yet but that OK. It's just nice hearing the baby whistle. Still some oil is in the exhaust but it's nothing compared to how it was when i first started. The other thing it was stumbling when stopping but it just needed to warm up good. Took some time to make boost somewhere around 4000rpm and only 3psi. After talking with the tech he explain why this is and as i break in the turbo i should see a different response after 50 miles.
All i can say is wow:drool:since i haven't really done any hard testing yet. Man that was nice to take her around the block and punch it a little. Well i am watching the AFR gauge closely so i can't say precisely when i make full boost but i will be sure to determine this over the weekend and post results

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 01:16 PM

Thanks Scott

MachRc

10-05-2007, 01:42 PM

Congratz on the build!!!!!

awesome thread and awesome job putting it all together!

:yikes::thumbsup::hi:

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 01:59 PM

Hey MachRc,
Thanks Dude, it not the cleanest thread but i think it makes more since to post even the bad/stressful things to give everyone a real world picture on what exactly happens or could happen. Now anyone doing this can be better prepair for what to expect if they decide to go this route. This makes it so much easier on the next guy.
Priority number one is to make sure you have things planned out well.
number two is to get adequate help available.
number 3 is have a welder lined up that does creative work.
number 4 make sure you pump is working properly before turning on the car.:)
number five be prepared for several tuning updates
number 6 not to expect things to be easy
number 7 work through every barrier and never give up.

Oh that's enough but i hope everyone gets the point.
The guys out there with more experience than I(none) will do a much better job at this.

Wish me luck breaking her in and fine tuning.
I will be sure to post videos and more photos.

Rito

malina

10-05-2007, 04:35 PM

Keep it up! I wish you luck and cross fingers. It's hard to be a pioneer.

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 05:34 PM

Thanks malina,

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Rear view with tail pipe and turbo in muffler location
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Front view with Engine bay
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MachRc

10-05-2007, 08:10 PM

I could already see it.

Rit0 RM-turb0 kit

avail for

~~2.5 3.0 ~coming soon~~!!!

nice urb0 badge~1

the rear muffler section looks right outta the transformer movie.

like a space gun~!

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 08:34 PM

aj526@bluepoint2go

10-05-2007, 08:38 PM

:bow: looks great, lets go take some photos one day next week, i have been going out of town everyweekend for family reasons or i would have stopped by already! can't wait to see it :bow:

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 08:45 PM

I could already see it.

Rit0 RM-turb0 kit

avail for

~~2.5 3.0 ~coming soon~~!!!

nice urb0 badge~1

the rear muffler section looks right outta the transformer movie.

like a space gun~!

Hahaha I was thinking more like Ritos' Euro Sports Shop

I was hoping no one notice the rear muffler that came from the transformer movie. Damnit

LOL

I finally took the car out of the subdivision for a spin and keep trying to make boost but could not reach far. So i headed home and as i got into the subdivision I tried once more time because the most i have been able to get was around 3psi. BTW well i said i am home now just stomp the pedal and the needle from the boost gauge slams against 6psi within miliseconds. Damn:drool:. Since this is a pretty big turbo and not broken in yet i am only seeing full boost late in mid to upper rpm range(4-6k). This may be due to the removal of the DISA and putting Technic CNC plate on. Looks like i might try it out again just to see if i make more torque down low.
Now i want to take her for a few more spins tonight just to see what happens. AFRs so far have been perfect but i could not tell once i started looking at the boost needle. I am going to pull the camcorder out just so i can see what both gauges are doing.

I will let you guys know.
Rito

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 08:47 PM

:bow: looks great, lets go take some photos one day next week, i have been going out of town everyweekend for family reasons or i would have stopped by already! can't wait to see it :bow:

Dude where have you been lately.
I have been wondering what happen to you.

Give me a call when you are in town.

Rito

aj526@bluepoint2go

10-05-2007, 08:52 PM

Dude where have you been lately.
I have been wondering what happen to you.

Give me a call when you are in town.

Rito

i have been flying home to baltimore a lot, whole family is sick so i have been mia lol ill hit you up this week bro

ritos530i

10-05-2007, 08:54 PM

no problem

MachRc

10-06-2007, 12:44 AM

Hahaha I was thinking more like Ritos' Euro Sports Shop

I was hoping no one notice the rear muffler that came from the transformer movie. Damnit

LOL

I finally took the car out of the subdivision for a spin and keep trying to make boost but could not reach far. So i headed home and as i got into the subdivision I tried once more time because the most i have been able to get was around 3psi. BTW well i said i am home now just stomp the pedal and the needle from the boost gauge slams against 6psi within miliseconds. Damn:drool:. Since this is a pretty big turbo and not broken in yet i am only seeing full boost late in mid to upper rpm range(4-6k). This may be due to the removal of the DISA and putting Technic CNC plate on. Looks like i might try it out again just to see if i make more torque down low.
Now i want to take her for a few more spins tonight just to see what happens. AFRs so far have been perfect but i could not tell once i started looking at the boost needle. I am going to pull the camcorder out just so i can see what both gauges are doing.

I will let you guys know.
Rito

AHHHH now I know where that 250-270(?)$ plate went to!!

wo0t!~

ritos530i

10-06-2007, 01:21 AM

What's your thoughts on the 250+ plate and is it worth the loss of torque. i am still blowing oil out of the dipstick so i don't think it made any since. Honest answer please!

pei330ci

10-06-2007, 02:25 PM

What's your thoughts on the 250+ plate and is it worth the loss of torque. i am still blowing oil out of the dipstick so i don't think it made any since. Honest answer please!

Move the oil return to the oil pan.

I'm going to speculate that the smoking exhaust before had nothing to do with the turbo itself. It's possible that the oil being returned to the dipstick tube was actually going back up into the intake manifold. (Through the tube which you "T'd" into.) Reducing the oil flow with the nitrous jet may have reduced this problem, but I think it's still there. Personally, I would run as much oil as possible to the turbo housing to help cool bearing surfaces.

Deah7

10-06-2007, 05:57 PM

Looks great man! Wish I had the balls to do a project like that but I know you have thought about this but what are you going to do about speed bumps or any bumps. Is your setup not going to scrape on a high bump?

ritos530i

10-06-2007, 07:56 PM

Move the oil return to the oil pan.

I'm going to speculate that the smoking exhaust before had nothing to do with the turbo itself. It's possible that the oil being returned to the dipstick tube was actually going back up into the intake manifold. (Through the tube which you "T'd" into.) Reducing the oil flow with the nitrous jet may have reduced this problem, but I think it's still there. Personally, I would run as much oil as possible to the turbo housing to help cool bearing surfaces.

Adam,
Here is my speculation for what it's worth. Well, the oil pump needed to break in before it ran optimum not to mention the fact that i did not have it working in the beginning as design.
Took the car out when i went to the movies last night with some slight oil but not really smoking as before. All of a sudden I get to my destination no one drop of oil and the tail pipe was no longer wet with oil. In fact the turbo started spooling up much earlier than the 4krpms as before. So my money is on the oil pump needing to break in. Now, that doesn't mean your theory isn't correct because this could be happening too. Still a lot of tweaking to do. For example when i got about a block away from home i punched the pedal just to see what happens and it blew my air intake pipe off the TB. Fortunately it made it home because i still did not notice until today when i checked everything it was completely off the TB. Made some adjustments and decided to use the factory band instead of the T band that connects to the TB. I was able to get it to clamp down enough on the TB better than the larger T band so lets see after tonight if it holds up. I will let you guys know.
Thanks for the advise and i will be looking into that.

Looks great man! Wish I had the balls to do a project like that but I know you have thought about this but what are you going to do about speed bumps or any bumps. Is your setup not going to scrape on a high bump?
Actually, the pipe you may be concern with is not as low as it looks. I have already driven over speed bumps and it clears fine. I had someone get out of the car as i was doing this and they said i still had about three inches before it would scrub.
Also, if i had the skills as some of you guys on the forum i am sure i could have did better with the pipe work but I don't and I was on a time schedule when i did the pipes due to renting a bay.
Hopefully this answers your question.

Rito

pei330ci

10-06-2007, 09:09 PM

Good to hear Rito, keep it up!
:)

icosaca

10-06-2007, 11:05 PM

looking nice man.
just one question...
i can see you put a cap on the head cover breather that used to go to the oil sep. valve under your intake manifold.
there are other two breither inlets going into that oil sep. one comes from your deep stick, the other one into your manifold.
did you seal those two aswell???

its not a good idea to use the oil sep valve with high boost, as it does not seem to be very strong.

what i did, is i covered the deep stick brether, and the manifold one, (as this can make you loose a tinny bit of boost). and conected the head cover one to the inlet, right before the blower.

what have you done?
regards
jorge saca

sheefo2k

10-07-2007, 12:04 AM

very good.. so i take it your not brunging oil finally"? or is this still occuring?
also why dont you connect the oil return line to the oil pan instead of the ess dipstick??

sorry if someone brough that up, i didn't read everything..

goodluck man and keep us posted

ritos530i

10-07-2007, 02:18 AM

Good to hear Rito, keep it up!
:)
Thanks Big A

looking nice man.
just one question...
i can see you put a cap on the head cover breather that used to go to the oil sep. valve under your intake manifold.
there are other two breither inlets going into that oil sep. one comes from your deep stick, the other one into your manifold.
did you seal those two aswell???

its not a good idea to use the oil sep valve with high boost, as it does not seem to be very strong.

what i did, is i covered the deep stick brether, and the manifold one, (as this can make you loose a tinny bit of boost). and conected the head cover one to the inlet, right before the blower.

what have you done?
regards
jorge saca
Jorge, I did do the Crank filter when i was taking the photo but as soon as I ran the car it ran very lean so i took it back to stock. The kit came with a PCV Check valve setup but I am sorting this out as in where to connect everything. Once this is done i will feel better. Also, if you look back at the photos you will see two light blue hoses coming form the top of the intake manifold where i tried release ventilation there but its not as efficient so I am going to connect to the crank line where you saw the small filter located. I have to find a larger hose coming off and convert to a 1/4 size hose than do the same on the other side of my PCV system that came with the kit. This should solve my blow-by issues.
very good.. so i take it your not brunging oil finally"? or is this still occuring?
also why dont you connect the oil return line to the oil pan instead of the ess dipstick??

sorry if someone brough that up, i didn't read everything..

goodluck man and keep us posted
Nope there is no more smoke/oil coming from the tail pipe:)

The problem i have now is sorting out the crank ventilation issue(simple once i have all the fittings) and keep my Air intake from blowing off the TB. I was cruising tonight and not really wanting to get on the throttle in fear that something could go wrong. Well, i said what the hell and stumped the gas pedal and the car did really well until i tried it again on the (I):censor: Limp mode, what the hell has happen. Well the Air intake pipe connecting to the TB will not stay on so i removed the clamp and forced it back on drove 15 miles back home trying not to make boost. (this was difficult because it's finally breaking in and wants to spool faster) Well looks like i will be getting some remedy going to keep it on. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Rito

kazeline

10-11-2007, 01:03 PM

ritos530i

10-11-2007, 02:42 PM

Hey all!

I am also turboconverting my car, a 330ci e46 (m54b30).....

Need some help though, am stuck with the crankshafts, dont know if I should replace them with "sharper" ones or not???

I am going to charge 17.5 PSI and am thinking of what I need to do with the crankshafts (vanos, valves, valvesprings, injection-system etc)...

Ritos how much do you charge your engine?

What should I do with the Vanos system (thinking about deactivating it)???

My plan so far:

Original crankshafts, with bigger injectors, original valves and springs, 3 mm mls gasket, better pistons and rods, ARP-screws, Maping of the ECU, and I have to weld the cyl-head... (AND ALL THE PIPING, TURBO, INTERCOOLER ETC)

What do you think?

Thankx / Camran

Camran,
What how much power do you plan on running?
I can answer you question better.

For me, I only plan on running between 400-500rwhp but that depends on whether or not the stock motor can handle this. If i start having problems with the motor handling this power level I will be rebuild the motor. I believe the stock motor already has a forged crank. The only thing i have done to the motor is bigger head gasket, grind valves(because i had to) and ported the head. Now when or if the stock block can not handle 500rwhp i will rebuild the motor by only adding forged pistons and rods.

Now as in the vanos, I don't know that you should get rid of them. I know that's what the older bmw car owners are doing but unless you are building the car for race only i don't see why you need to remove them. Maybe it had something to do with tuning but i can not be too sure. But I believe the vanos can be adjusted through tuning. Either open all the time or closed i don't really know. On the forged pistons make sure you get either 9.1:1 or 8.5:1 Now when you convert to these pistons make sure you design your turbo around this if you don't want to loss too much torque. By the way what turbo are you planing on running?

Again get back to me on exactly what you want to do and myself or someone smarter will do the best to help you out if not point you in the right direction.

Oh, as of now i am only trying to see what the stock motor can handle. I am looking only to make 400-500rwhp with the stock motor if it can handle this. The only thing i have done is bigger head gasket .140, valve job(because i had to), ARP head Studs, and ported head. My next thing to do if i am not happen with the powers i can acheive with the stock block i will be adding forged pistons(9.1:1) and Rods. I have bigger injectors and stage 3+ clutch, intercooler and run methanol injection system to cut cost on race gas. Right now i only have the stock injectors with a basic tune just to get the car running properly then i will add my injectors(65lbs) They are in my garage and tune the DME again turning up the boost.
Currently i am only running the 5.8 spring in the wastegate but i do have the Electronic Boost Controller installed taking me up 15 more psi giving me a total of 20.8psi capability.

Let me know what your plans are

Rito
Rito

kazeline

10-11-2007, 03:36 PM

ritos530i

10-11-2007, 05:21 PM

Hi again!!!

Funny thing, Im also predicting my car will have 500rwhp!!!!!!

In sweden, there is no company that can tune my car if I have turbo and Vanos at the same time! It would cost me too much simply!
Where did you tune your car? How much did you pay? Did they know how to tune it with the VANOS functions? (this is not common)

I havent bought the turbo yet, because of the same reason as you mentioned... Have to figure out some stuff first!

The vanos wont give that much extra effect anyway, it is used to even the torque-curve out, for better driving, and reducing fuel-consumption etc etc...
So I will skip the Vanos for sure...

Ritos, do you know if welding the cylinder-head helps keeping the engine together?

The turbo I am going to buy though, will be a double-inlet turbo, and I'm gonna install two external wastegates for better control of the boost!

The only problem I have, is actually the tune of my car... What do you think of this Autronic system, check it out: http://www.mrm-racing.a.se/Autronic_sm4.htm 2200 USD here in sweden!

AND whether to keep my camshafts original or not? Will they hold for 500 rwhp?

Thanks / Camran

Camran,
Whats commonly done with the heads in the USA is .140 head gasket and ARP head Studs the head studs are and upgrade from the 10mm studs and suppose to hold the head on better.

Here is a link to the company that did a tune on my car. Look and see if you have one in your area. If push comes to shove there are plenty locations you could ship your ecu to for a tune over night and have it back to you within a few days. The difficult part about tuning the MS45.1 DME is it has to be removed everytime you make adjustments. Since i have done this a few times before the turbo my rep is just fine tuning the tune I already have. I will pm the link. I am sure there is one in your area.

Another note is if you are not going to upgrade the pistons now do not weld the head. I remember when i had my 325 we weld the head but that was what i did when i lived in Germany and I never heard anyone do this in the USA. What i found out is that the intake chargepipe might have to be welded on to the Throttle bottle. This is the reason i have not up my boost because 5psi is blowing the air intake pipe off everytime i make boost. Get a Walbro 255 fuel pump as well. 55# injectors, Clutch to handle 500lbs of torque. Boost gauge and Wide band gauge. I am not sure if you will get 500rwhp on the stock block but a many have done it and if the motor doesn't like it be prepared to add the forged pistons and rods.

I am pming you the link to find tuning for you.

Rito

ritos530i

10-13-2007, 04:57 PM

Hey everyone,
I just wanted to give you guys some feed back with the new system.
I redesign the intake pipe so i can use Couplers the would stay on the throttle body. This worked out fine. took her out last night around the block just encase something happens I am not that far from home. Boom 5psi is finally not popping off the intake pipe.

BTW, Well this morning i decided to take her for a longer drive and dog her a bit. Still needs some fine tuning but my main concern was to keep the intake pipe on under boost which i accomplished.

Well after about a hour I had enough of riding around so found a place to turn around and head back home. Took a look in the review mirror after pulling in the road again and saw a black Ford GT Mustang. From what i could tell he only had and exhaust and intake because i could hear him revving his motor behind me. He had two other people in the car but was looking for a race. Anyway there was some traffic so I weaved in and out clearing the path for him. Finally i got tired of him tail gating me so i decided to see how i match up against or see if he could keep up or pass me up. After we were weaving in and out of traffic i finally saw a clear path and stumped the gas in second and he was still on my tail once i shifted to third gear all i could see in my rear view mirror was what look like a black spot on the rear-view mirror. . I don't really have a clue of what this mustang made in power but it was not all the way stock. He could hang with me in 1st and 2nd but once i got into 3rd he was history.:eek:

This is only using the stock spring 5psi in the waste-gate since i was only testing to see if the intake pipe would pop off again.

Also I did not realize this was a Mach 1 mustang until we were passing one another in the parking lot at a car show. For those of you that don't know already the Mustang Mach 1 makes 305 hp which is 260rwhp. Just to be fair he did have two other passengers in his car and just maybe he does not know how to drive. But lets be real here I installed this turbo system that everyone thinks is junk and i don't have the least bit of knowledge about turboing a car. Also the car is not fully tuned for the setup with only 24lb injectors. I would say i am doing pretty good.

Well, this makes me feel good and i know you guys would prefer videos or photos. I promise when i get the car right i will be sure to have some videos and dyno numbers and of coarse more photos.

Thanks everyone for your support and those that believe that I could do this.
Thanks for pushing me to hang on and finish the project because i wanted to quit. There is still a lot of tweaking and adjustments that i will be make. Also not hat i have an idea of how the inter-cooler to TB pipes will run I am having a piece made to get rid of the three second pipe work i have going to the TB.
Lots of cleaning up things before the Magazine shoot. LOL

Rito

asianjedi

10-13-2007, 06:00 PM

Much props to you bro! Check "trend setter" off on your life accomplishments list.:thumbsup:

pei330ci

10-13-2007, 06:31 PM

Rito,

Great to hear you are making solid progress.

If I may, I have one concern that I'd like to voice to you.

The stock 24 Lb injectors theoretically will support 288 crank horsepower safely. If you are going above this value, you would be running the injectors above 80% duty cycle which can burn them out.

ritos530i

10-13-2007, 07:16 PM

Much props to you bro! Check "trend setter" off on your life accomplishments list.:thumbsup:
I am not done yet. I still have to support this with videos and dyno testing. However I would like to think you for the support and your kind words. I still have a long ways to go to optimize the setup. Made a few more adjustments moments ago and went for a test ride and the intake pipe blew off once again:censor:

Rito,

Great to hear you are making solid progress.

If I may, I have one concern that I'd like to voice to you.

The stock 24 Lb injectors theoretically will support 288 crank horsepower safely. If you are going above this value, you would be running the injectors above 80% duty cycle which can burn them out.

Adam, I will not be trying to make anything more than that with stock injectors. As i have said before, my main concern is just use them for testing on the lower powers that i want to acheive. Once i keep the intake pipes on the TB i can add the bigger injectors and have my DME update to run with my bigger injectors and more boost.

By the way thanks for the advise and you should know i know about the optimum duty cycle for injectors since you are the one who taugh me.

Thanks guys i have to go see if i can get the intake pipe back on before i hang out to night.

Rito

Activ3

10-13-2007, 08:06 PM

Congrats Rito!! When is it going in for tuning on those 65lb'ers?

ritos530i

10-13-2007, 09:34 PM

Congrats Rito!! When is it going in for tuning on those 65lb'ers?
As soon as i feel the air intake is not coming off when under boost. I plan on running more than 5psi and if that's blowing my air intake off the TB it makes no since to upgrade the injectors, tune and more boost.

It's just these little things that's is getting on my nerves and i have limited skills when it comes to beeing creative.
LOL

Thanks and i will let you know.
Just tried to keep the intake on one more time and i am off to test.

Rito

ritos530i

10-23-2007, 02:03 AM

Just wanted to give you guys some idea what i have been up to.
There had to be changes made to the intake pipe. The last pipe was in three sections and things were out of place or mixed matched.

Here is a look at two piece of the old intak pipe and yes it's on backwards but i was just taking a photo
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3784/airintakebov001ge9.jpg

Following are the new pipe all in one piece.
I painted this one gray and have not installed it yet.
When i get time i will install and test. The paint is High Temp exhaust paint but i am thinking about coating but it looks nice as it is.
Let me know what you guys think

Enjoy

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8141/newturbointakepipe001ay5.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6782/newturbointakepipe002je0.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6753/newturbointakepipe003ks5.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9480/newturbointakepipe004xz2.jpg

asianjedi

10-23-2007, 06:12 AM

Looks pretty good as is.

ritos530i

10-23-2007, 10:55 PM

Damit i have to cut it a few more inches.

Tonester

11-07-2007, 04:53 AM

Have you tried bead rolling the end of the pipe so that the clamp has something to hold?

ritos530i

11-12-2007, 01:14 AM

Sorry for not updating everyone. I have been busy with my business and yes i have made some changes. I rebuilt the intake charge pipe and looks like it's working out for me. I have drove the car around doing road test but this was without a new tune. So far the intake pipe is staying on. Also I have had the DME re tune for 14psi which i sent out and received it on Friday. Drive the car around and it seem to pull fine. I only ran the 5.8psi spring due to the fact my tuner would not tune me for my 65lbs injectors until he sees and AFR. The reason i have not done this for him is because of the oil leak issues I have with the oil coming out of the dip stick where it sits into the oil pan. The Oring was bad from the time when i removed the manifold and I have yet to fix this issue. The good news is i will be attempting to fix this Monday and clean her up from the oil spreading all over the bottom of the car when blowing out. I figure since i was loosing oil pressure due to the leak that it does not make since to dyno yet until i get things sorted out. I promise a dyno and track time will come soon. Thanks for asking.

Sapikest

11-13-2007, 01:21 AM

who is your tuner??

ritos530i

11-13-2007, 01:22 AM

who is your tuner??
Upsolute for now until i find a deal on a standalone

ritos530i

11-22-2007, 03:25 AM

Just to inform you guys what i have been up to. Since i was having all the oil line leaks and improper fittings I decided to refit all the oil lines and remove the original design of the oil return to the oil pan. The motor mounts was removed and oil pan pull. A nice 4an fitting for the oil return line. All oil line plumbing was redone with absolutely no oil leaks. Also my o ring from the oil dipstick was missing from the time my manifold was removed. The guys that did the work forgot to put the o ring back in and tighten the oil dipstick mounting bolts. It wasn't notice much until I installed the turbo and it just found a week link to exit. There was all kinds of loose kinds. In the mean time this was being done I have been holding on to some 3.46 ring and pinion gears from diffs online. I decided to have the tech remove my stock gears (2.93s) and replace them with 3.46s. Since i was not supplied new bearings and proper fitting the install had to be canceled. I was pissed once again. Seem nothing could go right for a change. The good news is I gave Jim Blanton a call and email to see what he had available. For those of you who don't know who he is, Jim builds only high performance diffs for BMW track cars. So we finally worked out a good price and I am a new owner of LSD rearend. :yikes:Jim over night the diff and within a few hours it was installed. Put the rest of the car back together after fixing a few exhaust leaks and took it easy back home. Later that night I decided to take her for a moderate drive around the block just to get use to the new gear ratio. While on the way home i decided to see how it picks up through a few gears. Dammit something is wrong. I never seen a code that displayed on the idrive saying "Fuel Reserve" So i took her home and the following morning I assumed i was just running low on fuel so i filled a 5 gallon of gas in a container and add some fuel. It never occurred to me that the intake pipe had came off during the night before drive. Well the tech apparently removed it to get to the oil dipstick and did not secure it properly. A few hours of work to make sure it doesn't come off during boosting and back on the road for a test drive. All testing is done on 5.8 spring and this weekend I plan on testing higher boost and some videos. So stay tune for my next post.

Rito

turboaddiction

11-23-2007, 03:09 PM

Good luck! It's been a long road.

ritos530i

11-23-2007, 10:19 PM

Good luck! It's been a long road.
Thanks,
I plan one day to go back in and make it look as nice as yours. I have already consulted a few companies' about fabricating a intake manifold and engine rebuild. Also I am thinking of rebuilding the engine myself for another side project. Originally, I wanted to stay away from building the motor because of my grudge motor I am building which want be out for a while. Oh, did i mention it's not for a BMW. Sorry

You have done some excellent work on your car and it's about time it came to life. You know most of us are waiting on some numbers :). The word on the streets is that it's highly classified. LOL
Take care
Rito

ritos530i

11-25-2007, 07:19 PM

I am a little disturb by these videos but I promise i would post them anyway.
My daughter is doing video and she needs lots of practice.

Here are few photos first.
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2932/frontprofilebt7.jpg
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/859/sideprofileih0.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3668/siderearprofilegd9.jpg

Video of idle and Reving
http://media.putfile.com/STS-Rear-Mounted-Turbo-Revving (http://media.putfile.com/STS-Rear-Mounted-Turbo-Revving)

Video of 5 psi. After I got home I was thinking it should have pulled harder so I check to verify if I had the switch to 7psi turned on and what do you know. So it's only a 5 psi drive by.

http://media.putfile.com/2004-BMW-530i-E60-with-STS-Rear-Mounted-Turbo (http://media.putfile.com/2004-BMW-530i-E60-with-STS-Rear-Mounted-Turbo)

OH, I thought you might enjoy this video. My Daughter and Friend doing some Ghetto Dance after taking a few photos. My daught is the one with the curly hair. This is too funny.
http://media.putfile.com/My-daughter-and-Cuz-Doing-the-Road-Runner-Dance (http://media.putfile.com/My-daughter-and-Cuz-Doing-the-Road-Runner-Dance)

turboaddiction

11-25-2007, 10:59 PM

Thanks,
I plan one day to go back in and make it look as nice as yours. I have already consulted a few companies' about fabricating a intake manifold and engine rebuild. Also I am thinking of rebuilding the engine myself for another side project. Originally, I wanted to stay away from building the motor because of my grudge motor I am building which want be out for a while. Oh, did i mention it's not for a BMW. Sorry

You have done some excellent work on your car and it's about time it came to life. You know most of us are waiting on some numbers :). The word on the streets is that it's highly classified. LOL
Take care
Rito
Hey I appreciate that man. Yeah the car was down for over 2 years. It sucked but now I am a happy camper! It was all worth it!

You are only on your first turbo system and already doing well. I had to go through three systems and the first two weren't working very well at all so you are already way ahead of the game my friend.

Yeah, no numbers will ever be told unless I go to the drag strip. Those are real man numbers not dyno numbers. :str8pimpi

ritos530i

11-25-2007, 11:15 PM

Hey I appreciate that man. Yeah the car was down for over 2 years. It sucked but now I am a happy camper! It was all worth it!

You are only on your first turbo system and already doing well. I had to go through three systems and the first two weren't working very well at all so you are already way ahead of the game my friend.

Yeah, no numbers will ever be told unless I go to the drag strip. Those are real man numbers not dyno numbers. :str8pimpi

Hey thanks for that. It's not a car like yours but I have done as good as i could.
I want to eventually take it to another level which I am working on now. I don't plan on posting dyno numbers perse. I just need to get a data log off the dyno to get the next best tune. I want to try and test the limits of the motor and the turbo. This way we can stay the M54 is good for x amount of power before going. I think it will be fine with the tune and configurations. We will see. Perhaps I should wait until the other motor is finish. LOL

Oh,
That's a nice shot of your car. I tried finding a place to take a good shot. It's going to take some effort. Take car and hopefully you find some road kills with videos or just tell the story what happen.
Rito

ritos530i

11-27-2007, 08:49 PM

Today I decided to do a quick data log to see if i need to retune ECU, upgrade injectors and fuel pump. Now this is on my 2004 530i E60 STS Rear Mounted turbo system with Methanol/Water injection.
As you know everything we read tells us these things are a must. Now mind you, My first turbo tune was just a base line to see where I am as and what I need to make adjustment on.

So I decided since i have not yet installed my 65lbs injectors nor upgraded the fuel pump that i have sitting around that I would only do the first pull with 5psi. AFR where dipping into the 9s, So I added more boost 10psi and 9-10 AFR readings and than I turn it up to 15psi. Same damn thing.
Here is the kicker, I am running 17degrees of timing at WOT and 10degrees of timing part throttle. The other thing is I am running 110 octane race gas and 50/50 water/methanol with nitro booster. No matter whether the I am using Methanol or not it wants to run lean.
I was running 2 heat range colder and decided to change the plugs back to 1 heat range colder. Same thing.
Now I now I am making some power because I was thrown back into my seat as boost builds. As soon as AFR dips into the low 10s and 9s car kind of falls on its face.

Obviously I need fine tuning but how the hell is the 24 lb injectors flowing enough fuel to run this rich with 15psi of boost.
Can you turbo guru's please explain what's happening here.

I have sent the files off to my tuner for review and He knows more about tuning than the average guy but I am still puzzled how he is making so much fuel flow from those 24lb injectors has lost me. When he told me that my ECU was tuned for 14lbs of boost using my 24lb injectors I thought he had lost his mind or something but now that I am running the car with that tune I am a believer.
Usually when I spray too much methanol injector I immediately get a check engine code that pops up or some kind of engine malfunction code(limp mode) But that's not happening. Check everything. Leak down test, spark plugs look great, all systems have a check for good.

Since I am running so rich I know I am not making the power that car should be making and hopefully I have this sorted out asap. I will keep you posted of what happens.