The HorsepowerFreaks M3's Evil Twin - Videos and Pictures

[HPF Chris]

Our HorsepowerFreaks M3 now has an evil twin driving around that looks just like ours with the exception of wheels. Roberts Wicked M3 made 619rwhp on race fuel and 415rwhp on 92 octane pump gas! We turned the boost down to 604rwhp on race fuel to keep it safe and consistent with the rest of the kits we're shipping out. I posted his dyno graph below.

Here is a video of his ride and some of the other M3's awaiting turbo kits in our shop. We also installed an Agency Power exhaust on his car which dropped curb weight by 30 lbs, and we all really like the sound of it. If anyone wants to order one, give us a call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY8d4H-GLmI

Here's Roberts M3 "The Evil Twin" with the HPF750 turbo kit installed.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/RobertsM3.jpg

Here's a dyno graph of Robert's M3. Notice the power and torque increase at 1,500rpm even with pump gas!
Note: The baseline dyno was of my M3.
Note: The slightly wavy high boost curve on the race fuel map is intentional. In order to be able to effectively target both 5psi and 12psi, a .2bar wastegate spring was used. This allows us to run boost as low as 3psi, while still providing the capability to run boost as high as 20psi. With a boost target of 12psi, minor boost fluctuations (+/- 0.5psi) will occur as evidenced by the dyno. These will not impact the driveability or be noticeable by the customer while driving. They will also not impact the reliability of the kit. This was done strictly to allow for more accurate low boost targetting.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/RobertsFinalDyno.gif

A set of very powerful E46 M3s in our shop!

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/HPFShopw4M3s_2.jpg

Here's another angle.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/HPFShopw4M3s_3.jpg

Notice the EVO on the far right. He just made 1000AWHP on our dyno!

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/HPFShopw4M3s_1.jpg

Here's a shot including Paul's EVO on our AWD dyno. He just made 1000awhp today.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/PaulsEvoAnd4M3s.jpg

Here's a picture of Alvin's SMG M3 with the HorsepowerFreaks NA EMS kit and the HorsepowerFreaks Feramic clutch. This car drives like stock with our EMS and our clutch in it. This car will be receiving our HPF750 turbo kit in 1-2 weeks.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/AlvinsM3.jpg

Here's a shot of Fabio's car (same color as the one above) which we received last night. This car previously had an Active Autowerke supercharger kit on it. The customer took the S/C kit off and shipped us his car. We will have this car running on the HPF750 turbo kit in a couple weeks.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/FabiosM3.jpg

Here's a shot of My M3. It looks like a mirror image of Roberts now.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/HorsepowerFreaksM3.jpg

We have a few more kits in stock ready to be installed. If anyone is interested in getting a kit on their car, please email david@horsepowerfreaks.com.

Take care,
Chris.

[MSpired]

Nice to see more and more kits beign installed, we should have plenty of reviews and comparo's soon. Keep up the good work, all the haters will be proven wrong very soon :thumbsup:

[supersickbimmer]

My car finally made it:excited: My god was it hard to ship the car from T.O to Portland. It will be worth it though.:thumbsup: Keep us updated Chris.

Fabio.

[turboaddiction]

Thank you for the pics and information! Very nice race fuel setup there!

I have to say...why did you only get 415whp on 92 when this car is catless? You got 425whp on Jim's with 90 octane and his has a cat.

We were all hoping for 500whp on 93 octane.

Do you have any whp figures for the E46 M3 NA EMS system since you have it installed?

[turboaddiction]

Congrats Robert! You are going to love that race map. Cool that it is on 110 octane which is cheaper than c16. :thumbsup:

[///M3-QTR]

Wow nice ! ..can't wait to see them all running ^_^ good job HPF .

[turboaddiction]

One more thing. I am surprised that you guys aren't getting much better whp and wtq under 4000rpm with the 110 octane. You should be advancing the timing due to the higher octane as you know to yield better low-end power and also quicker spool. It looks like it is nearly the same tune up until 4,000 rpm. The only reason for it to be that way is if the customer was able to adjust boost with an EBC and only ran 5psi with 92 and then when he put 110 in he would just turn up the boost to 12psi because the map would change after 5psi to take advantage of the better octane. However this is the lazy route as you know because they don't take advantage of the ability to advance timing below the 5psi level. Since you are using two completely different maps you can take advantage of this, no?

[3rd_collective]

Video said it the smg was able to handle the power in A mode. How does it fair in S mode?

[Ervin87]

Very nice as usual.

[ST06M3]

Congrads Robert! Fun times ahead.

[ST06M3]

My car finally made it:excited: My god was it hard to ship the car from T.O to Portland. It will be worth it though.:thumbsup: Keep us updated Chris.

Fabio.

Glad to see your car finally make it Fabio. Now the suspense will get worse but it will be worth it once you get to drive it.

[turboaddiction]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7126/robertsfinaldyno2at0.gif

Just a couple items to discuss. I love the kit, just saying that it could be even better I think.

Clearly it shows that the power only changes when boost changes here.
I would hope that it is not the same map up until this point but not sure what else to think. It looks as though ~3800 is full boost at 5psi which seems high, especially for an NA 3.2L 11.5:1CR S54 with pt67 t4 turbo. My buddy gets ful boost of 18psi at 3400rpm on a 8.5:1CR S52 engine with a pt67 turbo and making about 530whp with that on pump. His hot side is 0.68...are you guys using a 0.82 or 0.96? Now, it shows the race map seems the same until after the 5psi as I stated and then full boost of only 12psi is at ~4800 which seems up there for this high of a compression ratio. The 11.5:1CR should really help the spool. I would think the race fuel map would allow for that extra timing advance you need in the lower rpm range under 5psi so you guys could really get even more area under the curve and much quicker spool.

I'm just saying cause if I purchased an e46 M3 to get this kit then I would be a little bummed that I had to wait until 4,000 to start feeling that extra good stuff from the race map when I know damn well I could be feeling it starting at say 2200-3000. Even if the turbo isn't spooling that much yet the extra timing on an NA engine without turbo when using better octane will yield better gains throughout the rpm band, not just up top. I definitely had a big difference on the low end with my secondary race map on both my M3 and my Supra so I know it can be taken advantage of with tuning when using the higher octane.

Just adding some healthy information. Hell, if it gets you guys to try it and you guys come up with a better race fuel map below 4000 rpm, then it's worth a little constructive criticism. :thumbsup:

[brusso]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7126/robertsfinaldyno2at0.gif

Just a couple items to discuss. I love the kit, just saying that it could be even better I think.

Clearly it shows that the power only changes when boost changes here.
I would hope that it is not the same map up until this point but not sure what else to think. It looks as though ~3800 is full boost at 5psi which seems high, especially for an NA 3.2L 11.5:1CR S54 with pt67 t4 turbo. My buddy gets ful boost of 18psi at 3400rpm on a 8.5:1CR S52 engine with a pt67 turbo and making about 530whp with that on pump. His hot side is 0.68...are you guys using a 0.82 or 0.96? Now, it shows the race map seems the same until after the 5psi as I stated and then full boost of only 12psi is at ~4800 which seems up there for this high of a compression ratio. The 11.5:1CR should really help the spool. I would think the race fuel map would allow for that extra timing advance you need in the lower rpm range under 5psi so you guys could really get even more area under the curve and much quicker spool.

I'm just saying cause if I purchased an e46 M3 to get this kit then I would be a little bummed that I had to wait until 4,000 to start feeling that extra good stuff from the race map when I know damn well I could be feeling it starting at say 2200-3000. Even if the turbo isn't spooling that much yet the extra timing on an NA engine without turbo when using better octane will yield better gains throughout the rpm band, not just up top. I definitely had a big difference on the low end with my secondary race map on both my M3 and my Supra so I know it can be taken advantage of with tuning when using the higher octane.

Just adding some healthy information. Hell, if it gets you guys to try it and you guys come up with a better race fuel map below 4000 rpm, then it's worth a little constructive criticism. :thumbsup:

I don't know for sure but.... I think the reason for spooling the turbo late in the rpm's is for driveability. If the turbos spooled earlier you would just spin the tires because of the M3's gearing. HPF has stated that one of their goals was to make sure the car was very stock like during everyday driving , which for most people would be just under 4K. I agree that a high comp. motor should be able to make full boost earlier. The AEM EMS allows the programmer to decide when the turbo makes full boost. Its not just based off of the ability to spool the turbo. Just because you can doesn't mean they want it to.

Just a guess.....

[kerisabe]

The first Canadian E46 M3 with the HPF 750 will be comin' out soon! Can't wait Fabio! Good luck.. hopefully it'll be done before Bimmercruise. I bet u're waiting anxiously everyday, every hour, every second. Good luck!

[supersickbimmer]

The first Canadian E46 M3 with the HPF 750 will be comin' out soon! Can't wait Fabio! Good luck.. hopefully it'll be done before Bimmercruise. I bet u're waiting anxiously everyday, every hour, every second. Good luck!

You have no idea:excited:

[M3 2 NV]

You have no idea:excited:

I'd love to check out your car when you get it back if you don't mind. It's time to surprise some people on the road with that beast of yours :thumbsup:

[turboaddiction]

Oh yeah and Fabio, your car is sick man! Can't wait to see some videos of it in action! :wowee:

[HPF Chris]

Thanks for all the props guys.

Here's a video of our customer's first impressions of the HPF750 turbo kit installed in his E46 M3. It is 9 minutes long, but really gives you an idea of what we see in our customers eyes when they get to drive their turbo'd M3 for the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7eC18Cuv9A


Nice to see more and more kits beign installed, we should have plenty of reviews and comparo's soon. Keep up the good work, all the haters will be proven wrong very soon :thumbsup:

Thanks. We're really not out to prove anyone wrong. We're out to produce a reliable product that raises the bar to a new level. I had to accept the fact that people will hate on whatever we produce, and it's no longer my goal to spend time convincing them otherwise. The product speaks for itself IMO.


Oh yeah and Fabio, your car is sick man! Can't wait to see some videos of it in action!

Yes, we look forward to making Fabio's M3 the fastest E46 M3 in Canada. :)


I don't know for sure but.... I think the reason for spooling the turbo late in the rpm's is for driveability. If the turbos spooled earlier you would just spin the tires because of the M3's gearing. HPF has stated that one of their goals was to make sure the car was very stock like during everyday driving , which for most people would be just under 4K. I agree that a high comp. motor should be able to make full boost earlier. The AEM EMS allows the programmer to decide when the turbo makes full boost. Its not just based off of the ability to spool the turbo. Just because you can doesn't mean they want it to.

Just a guess.....


I am seeing some real confusion here that I'm going to try to clear up. The turbo does NOT spool late. If you look at the pump gas map (415rwhp), the turbo hits FULL boost (5psi) at 3,600rpm! We bring this turbo to full boost as fast as possible, and it does not make sense to have it hit full boost any sooner.

The other source of confusion is as a result of people comparing low compression turbo motors to high compression turbo motors. Low compression turbo motors allow for much greater power figures on low octane fuels. The benefit of low compression is as a result of the decreased thermodynamic temperature increase when the piston is compressing the air as opposed to the turbo compressing the air which is then dropped in temperature upwards of 80% through the intercooler. With the factory 11.5:1 compression and our kit At 5psi, the engine is primarily responsible for increasing the cylinder pressures which unfortunately has no intercooling effect. Our stage 3 will come with lower compression pistons and will generate significantly more power on pump gas due to the lower compression and the MUCH larger turbo!

The last question raised is why the graphs look the same with pump gas and race fuel between 3,000rpm and 4,000rpm even though timing is advanced 9 degrees on the race fuel map. This is because the 92 octane allows the same peak cylinder pressure to be achieved with the spark firing slightly later in the combustion cycle. It is not always beneficial to increase timing as there is a point where the burn will start too early which will slow the piston down rather than accelerate it.


Wow nice ! ..can't wait to see them all running ^_^ good job HPF .

Thanks. We will have more vids soon.


Video said it the smg was able to handle the power in A mode. How does it fair in S mode?

The HPF Feramic SMG clutch will handle the power in any mode. We will have more testing on it shortly with the turbo kit installed.

Take care,
Chris.

[budman]

I will volunteer my SMG if you need to install one for testing purposes :eeps:

but I keep what goes it :P

[KamPow3r]

More clips of the car with the exhaust please (drive-bys, cruise, etc.)! Sounds nice!!

[///M3-QTR]

Congrats Robert ! :thumbsup: have fun and drive safely :D

[turboaddiction]

I just watched the entire video! :wowee: I love the HPF turbo system. Thanks for answering the questions! Chris is the best.

Mad props! I would be so stoked to be Robert right there. You guys pick him up in his car at the airport with 110 in the tank. You guys are smart. Amazing job!

:bow: :bow: :bow:

I was :rofl: when you said, "Please don't kill me!" :rofl:

P.S. I got a little worried when he asked about having to use straight race fuel or if he could use a mixture. Oh boy...he better not mix any fuel and then flip the switch. :eek:

[HPF Chris]

I will volunteer my SMG if you need to install one for testing purposes :eeps:

but I keep what goes it :P

That would be great......... For you. :)


I just watched the entire video! I love the HPF turbo system. Thanks for answering the questions! Chris is the best.

Mad props! I would be so stoked to be Robert right there. You guys pick him up in his car at the airport with 110 in the tank. You guys are smart. Amazing job!

I was when you said, "Please don't kill me!"

P.S. I got a little worried when he asked about having to use straight race fuel or if he could use a mixture. Oh boy...he better not mix any fuel and then flip the switch.

That's my favorite part of the job. The excitement and appreciation we get from our customers make all of this worthwhile.


More clips of the car with the exhaust please (drive-bys, cruise, etc.)! Sounds nice!

Robert drove his car home today so no more videos on it unless he takes them. He lives about a 5 hour drive away so hopefully he makes it without getting arrested. He really likes to drive fast!

Here's a picture of some turbo's in our warehouse ready to be installed on M3s.

Take care,
Chris.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/hpf750turbos.jpg

[turboaddiction]

Here's a picture of some turbo's in our warehouse ready to be installed on M3s.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...Precision Turboooooooossssssaaalllllllllgggggghttp://www.nohomers.net/images/avatars/HomerDrool.gif

[ritos530i]

Ok, The stage one two three and four and maybe five is using the same turbo.

[TaZaM3]

Any cars in Cali yet?

[Mliner]

Any cars in Cali yet?

Chris's car was in SoCal couple weeks ago...

[g0tph0]

Hey I'm out in so cal I'm down to get the SMG kit put into my car I've been waiting for it but still debating between AA and this ITS TEARING ME APART!!
plz post results soon and dynos and vids

[turboaddiction]

Hey I'm out in so cal I'm down to get the SMG kit put into my car I've been waiting for it but still debating between AA and this ITS TEARING ME APART!!
plz post results soon and dynos and vids
You can't decide between the AA S3 S/C setup and the HPF se4tup? Is that what you are saying? Well they are two different animals. If you want more linear power which the track guys seem to like then go S/C. If you want brutal slam you in the seat and leave black lines everywhere you go torque...then you want turbo. I prefer violent turbo.

[Evil Twin Rob]

Damn Chris, you had that video up before I even got home!
I just wanted eveyone to know that my car drove FLAWLESSLY for my trip home. I had the cruise control set on about 80, the windows up, and the ac on. It was smooth, quiet, (unless you get on it), and well mannered. I also got a little over 21 mpg! That's my actual calculations, not what the computer said. I was bummed when I had to put pump gas in, but I had some awesome pulls on the freeway running race gas. ****, that thing does 80 to 120 in about three seconds. My fear of jail time, and the lack of open road kept me from continuing into 5th gear, but i doubt that car will let your face relax until you hit the 155 limit. Anyway, for the the people debating on whether or not they should do this to their car, it does everything they say it does. When I rode the HPF car, I new I was getting mine done even if I had to work three jobs. It is worth every penny in my opinion. It was absolutely agonizing to watch the video of my car ripping down the road the day before I picked it up. Thanks for that little bit of torture Chris! I really can't say enough about everyone at HPF, not only for the fantastic work they did on my car, but also how I was treated as a customer. You guys rule!

[supersickbimmer]

Damn Chris, you had that video up before I even got home!
I just wanted eveyone to know that my car drove FLAWLESSLY for my trip home. I had the cruise control set on about 80, the windows up, and the ac on. It was smooth, quiet, (unless you get on it), and well mannered. I also got a little over 21 mpg! That's my actual calculations, not what the computer said. I was bummed when I had to put pump gas in, but I had some awesome pulls on the freeway running race gas. ****, that thing does 80 to 120 in about three seconds. My fear of jail time, and the lack of open road kept me from continuing into 5th gear, but i doubt that car will let your face relax until you hit the 155 limit. Anyway, for the the people debating on whether or not they should do this to their car, it does everything they say it does. When I rode the HPF car, I new I was getting mine done even if I had to work three jobs. It is worth every penny in my opinion. It was absolutely agonizing to watch the video of my car ripping down the road the day before I picked it up. Thanks for that little bit of torture Chris! I really can't say enough about everyone at HPF, not only for the fantastic work they did on my car, but also how I was treated as a customer. You guys rule!

I couldn't agree with you more on the last part. Dealing with them so far has been a pleasure and I have yet to deal with any company that cared more then me about my own car. David and Chris are stand up guys in my book. Can't wait to do more business with them in the future.:thumbsup:

[KamPow3r]

Chris..for your Stage II Kit:

1. What's getting added to the Kit (ex. Methanol, etc)?
2. How much more in cost will it be for a Stg. II?
3. What numbers are you expecting on pump gas (91/93) and race gas (110/c16)?

Thanks in advance!

[TaZaM3]

Chris's car was in SoCal couple weeks ago...

Ya unfortunately i was out of town, did you get to race him?

[///JTM3]

Ya unfortunately i was out of town, did you get to race him?

Sev retired from racing... :rolleyes:

[Cruzer03]

Damn Chris, you had that video up before I even got home!
I just wanted eveyone to know that my car drove FLAWLESSLY for my trip home. I had the cruise control set on about 80, the windows up, and the ac on. It was smooth, quiet, (unless you get on it), and well mannered. I also got a little over 21 mpg! That's my actual calculations, not what the computer said. I was bummed when I had to put pump gas in, but I had some awesome pulls on the freeway running race gas. ****, that thing does 80 to 120 in about three seconds. My fear of jail time, and the lack of open road kept me from continuing into 5th gear, but i doubt that car will let your face relax until you hit the 155 limit. Anyway, for the the people debating on whether or not they should do this to their car, it does everything they say it does. When I rode the HPF car, I new I was getting mine done even if I had to work three jobs. It is worth every penny in my opinion. It was absolutely agonizing to watch the video of my car ripping down the road the day before I picked it up. Thanks for that little bit of torture Chris! I really can't say enough about everyone at HPF, not only for the fantastic work they did on my car, but also how I was treated as a customer. You guys rule!

155 MPH limit:hmm:

[MSpired]

Sev retired from racing... :rolleyes:

Sad, but true :tsk:

[TaZaM3]

Sev retired from racing... :rolleyes:

Why would he do that, didn't he get a prototype supercharger to get faster?

[HPF Chris]

Damn Chris, you had that video up before I even got home!
I just wanted eveyone to know that my car drove FLAWLESSLY for my trip home. I had the cruise control set on about 80, the windows up, and the ac on. It was smooth, quiet, (unless you get on it), and well mannered. I also got a little over 21 mpg! That's my actual calculations, not what the computer said. I was bummed when I had to put pump gas in, but I had some awesome pulls on the freeway running race gas. ****, that thing does 80 to 120 in about three seconds. My fear of jail time, and the lack of open road kept me from continuing into 5th gear, but i doubt that car will let your face relax until you hit the 155 limit. Anyway, for the the people debating on whether or not they should do this to their car, it does everything they say it does. When I rode the HPF car, I new I was getting mine done even if I had to work three jobs. It is worth every penny in my opinion. It was absolutely agonizing to watch the video of my car ripping down the road the day before I picked it up. Thanks for that little bit of torture Chris! I really can't say enough about everyone at HPF, not only for the fantastic work they did on my car, but also how I was treated as a customer. You guys rule!

Thanks Robert. We appreciate you. I'm glad you made it home without a ticket. :) I look forward to hearing the kill stories. Did you get a chance to race that Mustang yet?


Chris..for your Stage II Kit:

1. What's getting added to the Kit (ex. Methanol, etc)?
2. How much more in cost will it be for a Stg. II?
3. What numbers are you expecting on pump gas (91/93) and race gas (110/c16)?

Thanks in advance!

The stage 2 kit is a plug-n-play methanol injection system. Because the compression of the stock motor is so high, the benefits of methanol will be slightly less, but we'd still like to see 500rwhp on 91 octane pump gas when methanol is in the tank. The price of this system will be $2500, and it will become active only when you need it. One gallon of methanol will last the everyday driver quite some time.


I couldn't agree with you more on the last part. Dealing with them so far has been a pleasure and I have yet to deal with any company that cared more then me about my own car. David and Chris are stand up guys in my book. Can't wait to do more business with them in the future.

Thanks Fabio. You will be the first to have the "polished" HPF turbo intake manifold, piping and intercooler. I look forward to seeing you win some shows!


Hey I'm out in so cal I'm down to get the SMG kit put into my car I've been waiting for it but still debating between AA and this ITS TEARING ME APART!!
plz post results soon and dynos and vids

Will do. The SMG car will get the turbo kit installed this week and we will finalize the tuning near the tail end. Barring any unforeseen issues, I would like to have Alvin's SMG done and picked up by the customer in 2 weeks. I will definitely post up vids of his M3 at that point.


Ok, The stage one two three and four and maybe five is using the same turbo.

The Precision T67 turbo's we're using will be for those running stages 1 and 2. A larger turbo will be used in stage 3.

Take care,
Chris.

[turboaddiction]

Damn Chris, you had that video up before I even got home!
I just wanted eveyone to know that my car drove FLAWLESSLY for my trip home. I had the cruise control set on about 80, the windows up, and the ac on. It was smooth, quiet, (unless you get on it), and well mannered. I also got a little over 21 mpg! That's my actual calculations, not what the computer said. I was bummed when I had to put pump gas in, but I had some awesome pulls on the freeway running race gas. ****, that thing does 80 to 120 in about three seconds. My fear of jail time, and the lack of open road kept me from continuing into 5th gear, but i doubt that car will let your face relax until you hit the 155 limit. Anyway, for the the people debating on whether or not they should do this to their car, it does everything they say it does. When I rode the HPF car, I new I was getting mine done even if I had to work three jobs. It is worth every penny in my opinion. It was absolutely agonizing to watch the video of my car ripping down the road the day before I picked it up. Thanks for that little bit of torture Chris! I really can't say enough about everyone at HPF, not only for the fantastic work they did on my car, but also how I was treated as a customer. You guys rule!
Excellent write-up! I am so glad that you are happy with the system. Your write-up states perfectly how a happy customer expresses his piece of mind when dealing with such top notch service.

DO ME A FAVOR:

Please post the video, dyno and this paragraph in a new thread on m3forums. This video and your reaction are exactly what they need to see and hear over there. You just can't fight it. When dealing with a speed shop that is exactly how I would want to be treated and everyone else does too. I wish they did a turbo kit for the e36 so I didn't have to waste over a year messing around with trying to get a custom system to work.

[HPF Kyle]

Damn Chris, you had that video up before I even got home!
I just wanted eveyone to know that my car drove FLAWLESSLY for my trip home. I had the cruise control set on about 80, the windows up, and the ac on. It was smooth, quiet, (unless you get on it), and well mannered. I also got a little over 21 mpg! That's my actual calculations, not what the computer said. I was bummed when I had to put pump gas in, but I had some awesome pulls on the freeway running race gas. ****, that thing does 80 to 120 in about three seconds. My fear of jail time, and the lack of open road kept me from continuing into 5th gear, but i doubt that car will let your face relax until you hit the 155 limit. Anyway, for the the people debating on whether or not they should do this to their car, it does everything they say it does. When I rode the HPF car, I new I was getting mine done even if I had to work three jobs. It is worth every penny in my opinion. It was absolutely agonizing to watch the video of my car ripping down the road the day before I picked it up. Thanks for that little bit of torture Chris! I really can't say enough about everyone at HPF, not only for the fantastic work they did on my car, but also how I was treated as a customer. You guys rule!

Good to hear you made it safe! That car is a beast. :) Hope to see some sweet videos of kills soon. :bow:

-Kyle

[JRoz]

Hey Chris, for months now i've been researching and test driving car after car and you've finally made the decision for me. Originally I was thinking about upgrading my e46 to an M3, but I really wanted to add some extra horsepower to it. Wasn't too into the superchargers, and I was leaning towards the 335i. I've been a die hard e46 fan and never want to move away from it, even thought about keeping my current e46 and gutting it out with an m3 engine. After seeing your turbo kit my decision is made! The kit looks, performs, and sounds amazing and i'm really excited to have one installed. I like the fact that its very stealth, and can be used as a daily driver. Now all i have to do is go find a low mileaged m3. To be honest I'm not that great at driving stick, and would prefer to get an SMG transmission, compared to the stick version, which seems to perform better. Great job with the kit, i've been waiting for something like this for awhile.

thanks
Jason

[jt330ci]

Thanks to horsepower freaks for finally putting a kit on themarket that is going to make your m3 a really fast machine. With this kit m3's finally have a chance of breaking 10's in the 1/4 and it about time!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Sgt.Speed]

i dont get why nobody hasnt broke into the 10's yet. has nobody used a built motor and tried a pair of slicks?

[jt330ci]

i dont get why nobody hasnt broke into the 10's yet. has nobody used a built motor and tried a pair of slicks?

yea i think taza has tried but still has tire issues

[EuroBmrDude]

Amazing...if I'll get enough $$$ I'll come to you guys with the new ride

[pei330ci]

yea i think taza has tried but still has tire issues

Correction, he had "track" issues. LACR has a brutal reputation...probably why it's been closed.

[TaZaM3]

Correction, he had "track" issues. LACR has a brutal reputation...probably why it's been closed.

Correct it was more of a track issue, my tires are OK but they can also be better. They hook sometimes in 2nd on the streets (high boost). At the track the car couldn't hook 2nd 3rd or 4th in low boost (thats how bad the track was).

Hopefully winter time i can get to a good track somewhere, this car should be easy low 10's.

[marcopolio]

Are you talking about 'The' Fabio? Like the guy who thinks its margerine?

[steelgrey330ci]

hey fabio

got love being the first canadian guy to get this congrats see you around.

[mike greco]

how much does this hpf turbo cost canadian?

[steelgrey330ci]

well take todays exchange rate and do the math :)

[bigabe]

Wow. So uh.... can HPF strap a turbo on a 330i ZHP??

I'll drive up to Portland... it's not too far. I can't seem to find a decent tuner on the West Coast....

[blue dragon]

how much does this hpf turbo cost canadian?
About the price of a Hyundai if you use the F/X calculator here (http://www.rbcroyalbank.com/RBC:RRl4nY71A8cAAegQsGo/cgi-bin/travel/fxconvert.pl) :omg:

Converting 17025.60 Canadian Dollars to U.S. Dollars will yield 16000.00 U.S. Dollars.

[turboaddiction]

About the price of a Hyundai if you use the F/X calculator here (http://www.rbcroyalbank.com/RBC:RRl4nY71A8cAAegQsGo/cgi-bin/travel/fxconvert.pl) :omg:

Converting 17025.60 Canadian Dollars to U.S. Dollars will yield 16000.00 U.S. Dollars.
I would take the HPF turbo kit over a stupid Hyundai any day. It's worth it!

[JRoz]

I would take the HPF turbo kit over a stupid Hyundai any day. It's worth it!

agreed ....yea how about that....are you guys developing a system for non m3 e46's by any chance?

[TaZaM3]

Did you guys ever dyno any of these cars before the installation began for a before/after comparison?

[supersickbimmer]

Taz, I did dyno my car on a dynojet dyno:

Stock: 271RWHP
AA Gen 2 stage 2: 438RWHP
HPF Turbo kit: ??? give me 2 weeks.

[beanfree]

Taz, I did dyno my car on a dynojet dyno:

Stock: 271RWHP
AA Gen 2 stage 2: 438RWHP
HPF Turbo kit: ??? give me 2 weeks.


If your car gave you 438 rwhp on pump gas with the AA gen 2 stage 2 why would you go to a kit that gives 415-425 rwhp?

[ritos530i]

probably because he could flip the switch an make it a 600+rwhp system. :)

[HPF Chris]

Thanks to horsepower freaks for finally putting a kit on themarket that is going to make your m3 a really fast machine. With this kit m3's finally have a chance of breaking 10's in the 1/4 and it about time!

Thanks. 10's can easily be had with some traction. We'll get down to business at the track sometime soon. We're now in a production mode making sure every M3 leaves here perfect.

If your car gave you 438 rwhp on pump gas with the AA gen 2 stage 2 why would you go to a kit that gives 415-425 rwhp?

AA stage 2 uses water injection which allows more boost to be run. To be fair and compare apples to apples, either compare those #'s to the HPF race fuel numbers, or compare them to the HPF stage 2 which will use methanol injection. Stage 2 will be completed very shortly and will simply plug right in and should make in excess of 500rwhp on 91 octane pump. 91-93 octane pump gas only allows 5-6 psi to be run safely as a result of the 11.5:1 compression. This normalizes the playing field and makes many kits appear to make the same power. However, one should also consider that the area under the power curve is considerably different even if peak #'s are the same. When lower compression pistons are run (e.g. in our stage 3) or when other forms of fuel are used (e.g. methanol, water injection or race fuel) then the boost can be raised (even with the high compression) and significantly more power can be had.

Here's another reason, and Jim only had 550rwhp on race fuel due to unleaded gas and a cat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAe9B6cIuGA


Did you guys ever dyno any of these cars before the installation began for a before/after comparison?

On some cars. The LSB SMG M3 in our shop made 261rwhp (it has the Dinan $14K package).

Fabio's car is not in a dyno-able state as it just had a S/C taken off of it. We generally know within a couple % what every M3 is going to make before we modify it.


agreed ....yea how about that....are you guys developing a system for non m3 e46's by any chance?

Absolutely. There will be many more kits to follow starting with the E46 330i.


Hey Chris, for months now i've been researching and test driving car after car and you've finally made the decision for me. Originally I was thinking about upgrading my e46 to an M3, but I really wanted to add some extra horsepower to it. Wasn't too into the superchargers, and I was leaning towards the 335i. I've been a die hard e46 fan and never want to move away from it, even thought about keeping my current e46 and gutting it out with an m3 engine. After seeing your turbo kit my decision is made! The kit looks, performs, and sounds amazing and i'm really excited to have one installed. I like the fact that its very stealth, and can be used as a daily driver. Now all i have to do is go find a low mileaged m3. To be honest I'm not that great at driving stick, and would prefer to get an SMG transmission, compared to the stick version, which seems to perform better. Great job with the kit, i've been waiting for something like this for awhile.

thanks
Jason

Jason... Thanks for the comments. If you need any help, don't hesitate to ask.

Take care,
Chris.

[JRoz]

Hey chris....can you give me a rough estimate on when the non m3 kits would be come available?

[JRoz]

1 more thing...have you had a chance to get a rough estimate on the 0-60?..that would be pretty interesting to see.

[chopstik]

crazy videos.....great job HPF's....i'd love to get my hands on one, but don't have the funsd for it.....congrats robert on a wonderful kit......enjoy it but be safe please:)

that whole time i was watching the video, i was expecting one of you guys to roll up on some hot looking chick on the side of the rode and then get her in your car then bang her.......don't know where i've seen something like that before...:eeps:

[TaZaM3]

Taz, I did dyno my car on a dynojet dyno:

Stock: 271RWHP
AA Gen 2 stage 2: 438RWHP
HPF Turbo kit: ??? give me 2 weeks.

Good job, that sounds great! Thats awesome that you dyno'd through all the different stages of your car, make sure to dyno on the same dyno after as well.

Very interested in seeing your pump gas HPF dyno on the dyno you made 438rwhp with the AA kit.


AA stage 2 uses water injection which allows more boost to be run. To be fair and compare apples to apples, either compare those #'s to the HPF race fuel numbers, or compare them to the HPF stage 2 which will use methanol injection.

Indeed we are talking pump vs pump here, and their kits dont really run more boost b/c of the w/a injection at least nothing like you guys do.

Stage 2 will be completed very shortly and will simply plug right in and should make in excess of 500rwhp on 91 octane pump.

That would be great, we just have to wait and see.



However, one should also consider that the area under the power curve is considerably different even if peak #'s are the same.

I think its time to see one of your cars on pump vs an SC car on pump for the hell of it.

When lower compression pistons are run (e.g. in our stage 3) or when other forms of fuel are used (e.g. methanol, water injection or race fuel) then the boost can be raised (even with the high compression) and significantly more power can be had.

True but then again there is the price difference you are paying for.


On some cars. The LSB SMG M3 in our shop made 261rwhp (it has the Dinan $14K package).

Dinan is awesome. :)

Fabio's car is not in a dyno-able state as it just had a S/C taken off of it. We generally know within a couple % what every M3 is going to make before we modify it.

Its good to hear he has dyno'd it before stock and with the SC, soon he can go to his dyno again and run his car there for comparisons (pump and race gas modes).

[travisbickle]

how much does this hpf turbo cost canadian?


Much less now than it did before George Bush took office and ran the USD into the ground. :D

[supersickbimmer]

Taz, I always dyno before and after I do some sort of performance mod. I hate it when people say,"oh it should at least add xxx amount of HP. Also, I only go Tag motorsports for my dynoing and it's always the owner that does it for me. So the only thing that can be different is the weather.

I'm going to run the guy who bought my kit off of me. And one of the races will be on pump. It is a vert but it is stage 3.

[steelgrey330ci]

Hey supersick bimmer

if you can give me a heads up I would love to be apart of that.

I think it would make for a great video and also love to see how I do against you guys.

Also are you going to the BIMMERCRUISE this weekend, I will be at bimmersport and going from there.

[supersickbimmer]

My e46 M3 won't make it. But My e36 M3 will. I'll see you there.:thumbsup:

[Evil Twin Rob]

that whole time i was watching the video, i was expecting one of you guys to roll up on some hot looking chick on the side of the rode and then get her in your car then bang her.......don't know where i've seen something like that before...


Any other day that would be cool, but I was so jacked about my car, I probably would've just kept going. I have yet to get any ass that gave me a rush like that......and in the long run, I think the car is still less expensive.

[Evil Twin Rob]

:censor:

[Evil Twin Rob]

Good to hear you made it safe! That car is a beast. :) Hope to see some sweet videos of kills soon. :bow:

-Kyle

I haven't got any vids yet, i'm usually flying solo. Possibly because people are afraid to ride with me......not sure why? The only decent competition i've had so far have been bikes. But word is spreading quickly, so I expect some good challenges before too long. Then vid master Chris will have to show me how to post them.

[turboaddiction]

Any other day that would be cool, but I was so jacked about my car, I probably would've just kept going. I have yet to get any ass that gave me a rush like that......and in the long run, I think the car is still less expensive.
Quoted for one of the sickest posts ever! :str8pimpi

Love the new username BTW! :str8pimpi

[MrBlonde]

Thanks. 10's can easily be had with some traction. We'll get down to business at the track sometime soon. We're now in a production mode making sure every M3 leaves here perfect.

I'm not so sure bout that. Your shop car with 200+ rwhp more (and more boost and a higher redline) than your HPF750 kit only cracked an 11.66 .. how is a car with 200+ rwhp less going to be able to run 7 tenths quicker?

Also the shop car did not lose traction after the launch .. what was the short time on that pass 2.00x? The shop car should crack a 10 second pass with a 1.7x or better short time and for that you need something better than 19" rubber.
As for the launch required for a HPF750 car with 200+ whp less .. it would seem to be an impossible task.

Love to be proven wrong.

It's a lot harder to run a 10 second pass than to type it.

[supersickbimmer]

I'm not so sure bout that. Your shop car with 200+ rwhp more (and more boost and a higher redline) than your HPF750 kit only cracked an 11.66 .. how is a car with 200+ rwhp less going to be able to run 7 tenths quicker?

Also the shop car did not lose traction after the launch .. what was the short time on that pass 2.00x? The shop car should crack a 10 second pass with a 1.7x or better short time and for that you need something better than 19" rubber.
As for the launch required for a HPF750 car with 200+ whp less .. it would seem to be an impossible task.

Love to be proven wrong.

It's a lot harder to run a 10 second pass than to type it.

I think he was talking about the shop car.They were hoping to put DR on. Also, the shop car doesn't have 200whp more then any other car. They did that run with I think 616rwhp. All no cat kits produce 600whp with race gas.

[beanfree]

I don't understand why we are talking drag radials and race gas when other supercars usually use dot approved tires and pump gas. Makes no sense.

[Evil Twin Rob]

I don't understand why we are talking drag radials and race gas when other supercars usually use dot approved tires and pump gas. Makes no sense.

When you say "supercars", are you talking about $200,000 and up exotics or just a Viper or Corvette? I'm betting i'll hang with a Z06 on my street tires and pump gas.

[OCswedishM3]

When you say "supercars", are you talking about $200,000 and up exotics or just a Viper or Corvette? I'm betting i'll hang with a Z06 on my street tires and pump gas.

Not a chance in hell... I like what HPF has brought to the market. I love the option of a turbo, and think they are nice guys with a great company. Well-known for Supra's and i hope there reputation grows for BMW's as the kits come out more and more and stay reliable for a long time. Please don't be like the 335 guys and exaggerate. My personal opinion is that your car on pump gas is on the weak side, 450whp wont even keep u up with a ZO6, let alone 425whp and im talking about with 250+lbs of weight savings too which i dont think u have. U need about 500whp with an additonal 250lbs off your car. And that will only net you 1 car length ahead. Now your car on race fuel is amazing, that is what makes the kit so great, u switch a button and u go from a decently fast car, to a car that will kill 99% of all other cars. I personally would buy the kit only when the methanol option is available, cuz 500whp on pump gas is what im use to. Enjoy your car and make some video's its always better when u are in a unique category.

[beanfree]

I meant cars at the top performance levels. The only reason we mod our cars for performance is because we want to take it to the next level. However, I think in the interest of fairness we should use the same standards to measure it's performance that manufacturers use. Deleting cats, race gas, drag radials are fine but now we should compare those cars against modded cars that use race gas, drag radials and have no cats (heavily modded vettes, evo's, 300z's, supra's, vipers etc).

[jt330ci]

I meant cars at the top performance levels. The only reason we mod our cars for performance is because we want to take it to the next level. However, I think in the interest of fairness we should use the same standards to measure it's performance that manufacturers use. Deleting cats, race gas, drag radials are fine but now we should compare those cars against modded cars that use race gas, drag radials and have no cats (heavily modded vettes, evo's, 300z's, supra's, vipers etc).

Yea but i think you have to look at all aspects of the car. Vettes, Vipers, and Supra's are cars that i believe are known for thier high horsepower motors and very good 1/4 times( if thats the racing you talking about). It doesn't matter if an evo or a 300z uses race fuel or drag radials because what is the fastest street driven evo or 300z. I bet its somewhere in the 10's area and that is exactly where the HPF car should be with some Drag radials. Their are DOT approved drag radials (BFG) so its not a problem to drive it on the road.

A Heavily modded viper and vette can go 7's or 8's with drag radials. Those cars are know for their INNNSAAANNE drag racing abilities. Hell stock 07 z06 can run what the HPF car ran. Only the HPF's car would have alot better time with some 18's and drags.

Here is s vid of this twin turbo vette that i see race all the time. This car is on drag radials and he drives it to the track!!:drool::drool:
http://media.putfile.com/viper-20

[Evil Twin Rob]

Not a chance in hell... I like what HPF has brought to the market. I love the option of a turbo, and think they are nice guys with a great company. Well-known for Supra's and i hope there reputation grows for BMW's as the kits come out more and more and stay reliable for a long time. Please don't be like the 335 guys and exaggerate. My personal opinion is that your car on pump gas is on the weak side, 450whp wont even keep u up with a ZO6, let alone 425whp and im talking about with 250+lbs of weight savings too which i dont think u have. U need about 500whp with an additonal 250lbs off your car. And that will only net you 1 car length ahead. Now your car on race fuel is amazing, that is what makes the kit so great, u switch a button and u go from a decently fast car, to a car that will kill 99% of all other cars. I personally would buy the kit only when the methanol option is available, cuz 500whp on pump gas is what im use to. Enjoy your car and make some video's its always better when u are in a unique category.

I admit i've never ridden in a Z06 or even seen one run hard, but what I have read is that they put out 505 hp at the crank. My car is 510 hp at the crank on pump gas, which was my basis of believing the two cars to be fairly equal. You are correct on the weight difference of the cars, and i'm sure the Vette's better low rpm power would take me out of the hole. But on the freeway, I still think it would be close. Of course there is also the possibility that i'm completely clueless, and i'm making a huge ass of myself. If that's the case, please be gentle with me. Anyway, if I have an opportunity to race one, i'll post the results no matter what the outcome.

[OCswedishM3]

I admit i've never ridden in a Z06 or even seen one run hard, but what I have read is that they put out 505 hp at the crank. My car is 510 hp at the crank on pump gas, which was my basis of believing the two cars to be fairly equal. You are correct on the weight difference of the cars, and i'm sure the Vette's better low rpm power would take me out of the hole. But on the freeway, I still think it would be close. Of course there is also the possibility that i'm completely clueless, and i'm making a huge ass of myself. If that's the case, please be gentle with me. Anyway, if I have an opportunity to race one, i'll post the results no matter what the outcome.

Take some advice from me....please be on race fuel when u race the ZO6:)

[MSpired]

Take some advice from me....please be on race fuel when u race the ZO6:)

x2

You will 100% lose on pump.

Use race gas and put bus lengths on him for us! :thumbsup:

[JRoz]

I admit i've never ridden in a Z06 or even seen one run hard, but what I have read is that they put out 505 hp at the crank. My car is 510 hp at the crank on pump gas, which was my basis of believing the two cars to be fairly equal. You are correct on the weight difference of the cars, and i'm sure the Vette's better low rpm power would take me out of the hole. But on the freeway, I still think it would be close. Of course there is also the possibility that i'm completely clueless, and i'm making a huge ass of myself. If that's the case, please be gentle with me. Anyway, if I have an opportunity to race one, i'll post the results no matter what the outcome.


Even if you are clueless and wrong...you have one of the most badass M3s on the roads right now..thats just straight :pimpin:

[DLSJ5]

I admit i've never ridden in a Z06 or even seen one run hard, but what I have read is that they put out 505 hp at the crank. My car is 510 hp at the crank on pump gas, which was my basis of believing the two cars to be fairly equal. You are correct on the weight difference of the cars, and i'm sure the Vette's better low rpm power would take me out of the hole. But on the freeway, I still think it would be close. Of course there is also the possibility that i'm completely clueless, and i'm making a huge ass of myself. If that's the case, please be gentle with me. Anyway, if I have an opportunity to race one, i'll post the results no matter what the outcome.

My car makes roughly 530CHP on 91 octane at 7.5 psi and I will loose to a Z06 by a few CLth's. You may have a better chance do to Power Delivery and TQ with a TC'r, but my money's still on the Z06. On race fuel you should pull away decently, but if the Z06 is modded as well then it would get the edge back IMO. But I'd love to see these comparo's!! Make it happen and congrats on your new setup. :thumbsup:

[Evil Twin Rob]

Wow! remind me to never talk about a Z06 again. We could've started a new thread on that one. But it did inspire me to do more research and found the Z06 to be about 600 pounds lighter. That's like getting rid of my girlfriend and her mom! Also it's 470 ft. pounds of torque and 325/30/19 tires holding it down makes for one badass car. Unfortunately, the average age range of Corvette owners has kinda ruined the car for me, but I guess they have to keep up with thier grandsons Supra somehow.

[turboaddiction]

Wow! remind me to never talk about a Z06 again. We could've started a new thread on that one. But it did inspire me to do more research and found the Z06 to be about 600 pounds lighter. That's like getting rid of my girlfriend and her mom! Also it's 470 ft. pounds of torque and 325/30/19 tires holding it down makes for one badass car. Unfortunately, the average age range of Corvette owners has kinda ruined the car for me, but I guess they have to keep up with thier grandsons Supra somehow.
No worries. The thing to always remember is never compare flywheel hp numbers. The C6 Z06 is very underrated so it's wheel hp is not far from it's advertised flywheel hp. The car consistantly blows away cars that it shouldn't according to advertised numbers.

Anyway, let's see some videos of your badass M3! :thumbsup:

Any S/C M3s in your area? :hi:

[KamPow3r]

OCswedishM3....what are you running in your car (if you don't want to post can you direct me to a link to read your mods?) Also, what numbers (HP/Torque) are you making?

Thanks in advance.

[Evil Twin Rob]

Any S/C M3s in your area? :hi:

None that i'm aware of.

[turboaddiction]

None that i'm aware of.
Go find a C6 Z06 though. That on video would be a HUGE kill! :thumbsup:

[MrBlonde]

I think he was talking about the shop car.They were hoping to put DR on. Also, the shop car doesn't have 200whp more then any other car. They did that run with I think 616rwhp. All no cat kits produce 600whp with race gas.

The HPF 750 kit makes 415-425 rwhp. The shop car makes 667 rwhp accoridng to Chris. that's 200+ rwhp more.

With VP Motorsports 109 the HPF750 kit made around 550 rwhp, right?

What that measn is that if you buy a HPF750 kit you're not going to be running a 10 second pass, no matter what fuel you run or what rubber you run.

[supersickbimmer]

They never said the kit would put down 667rhp, They said the tested up to 667 but decided to stick with 600whp. Also. when they were at the track they were at around 616rwhp not 667. The car that made 550 rwhp was the car with custom cats so the #'s were off the original target. The second car that didn't have cats made just over 600 rwhp so they dialed it down to 600 for reliability. All kits should be making 425 on pump and 600 on race.

Again, when Chris was talking about getting into the 10's, I'm pretty sure he meant on the shop car because they were thinking about putting slicks on a 15" tire. Which meant they would have to change the rear brakes.

Cheers. Fabio.

[turboaddiction]

The HPF 750 kit makes 415-425 rwhp. The shop car makes 667 rwhp accoridng to Chris. that's 200+ rwhp more.

With VP Motorsports 109 the HPF750 kit made around 550 rwhp, right?

What that measn is that if you buy a HPF750 kit you're not going to be running a 10 second pass, no matter what fuel you run or what rubber you run.
Kenny,

This car's tune was set at 604whp on 110 leaded octane fuel. That is a difference of 667-604=63whp. HPF claims that they did the 11.66 quarter with a setting for 616whp which is a difference of only 616-604=12whp. If you think HPF is lying about that and they turned the boost up to 18 or something, then that is your problem. I am just going to go by what theyhave said since I have no reason not to believe them.

See graph and information below.

Our HorsepowerFreaks M3 now has an evil twin driving around that looks just like ours with the exception of wheels. Roberts Wicked M3 made 619rwhp on race fuel and 415rwhp on 92 octane pump gas! We turned the boost down to 604rwhp on race fuel to keep it safe and consistent with the rest of the kits we're shipping out. I posted his dyno graph below.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/robertsm3/RobertsFinalDyno.gif

[Boosted VR6]

This is true as I just saw a vid of a bone stock C6 ZO6 dyno 474whp.
In stock trim I have personally seen them run 124-126mph trapspeeds and low elevens on street tires. Although I have no doubt that with racefuel the HPF kitted M3 would pull the ZO6.

[ritos530i]

I am just curious what gears the M3 run. The Corvette has low gears for torque and i know the M3 has low gears as well. This plays a huge differents in my opinion.

[plaroud]

I am just curious what gears the M3 run. The Corvette has low gears for torque and i know the M3 has low gears as well. This plays a huge differents in my opinion.

Their gears are totally opposite.

Z06 1st gear~60+mph, M3~35-40

Z06 2nd gear ~92mph, M3~60.

Not even close.

[ritos530i]

Their gears are totally opposite.

Z06 1st gear~60+mph, M3~35-40

Z06 2nd gear ~92mph, M3~60.

Not even close.

This is the point i was making.
They have different gear ratio so this will play a huge factor in a race.

[///M3-QTR]

A stock C6 ZO6 traps 126 ? :S

[turboaddiction]

Their gears are totally opposite.

Z06 1st gear~60+mph, M3~35-40

Z06 2nd gear ~92mph, M3~60.

Not even close.
NOICE! M3's gears are much shorter so if it can hook, it is gone! Bye Bye Z06! :str8pimpi

[MrBlonde]

Kenny,

This car's tune was set at 604whp on 110 leaded octane fuel. That is a difference of 667-604=63whp. HPF claims that they did the 11.66 quarter with a setting for 616whp which is a difference of only 616-604=12whp. If you think HPF is lying about that and they turned the boost up to 18 or something, then that is your problem. I am just going to go by what theyhave said since I have no reason not to believe them.

See graph and information below.
Cameron,

Of course they turned the boost down for the drag strip run. Of course they did. I know I'd go from 667 rwhp to 616 rwhp if I wanted to prove to the world how quick my car was. Of course they did.

Now prove me wrong by taking a standard HPF750 kit car to the quarter and running anywhere near 11.666 @ 129 MPH. I'm sure it can be done, since there's only 12 whp difference in tune, right. Of course it can.

[turboaddiction]

Cameron,

Of course they turned the boost down for the drag strip run. Of course they did. I know I'd go from 667 rwhp to 616 rwhp if I wanted to prove to the world how quick my car was. Of course they did.

Now prove me wrong by taking a standard HPF750 kit car to the quarter and running anywhere near 11.666 @ 129 MPH. I'm sure it can be done, since there's only 12 whp difference in tune, right. Of course it can.
Hey Kenny you know I love you man. ;) I am definitely more secure with the fact the OP has 604whp and that is what I was gauging by instead of the pump number. However the challenge you bring up...I too would love to see that. I hope someone brings it.

Please, message to Robert...take her to the strip on your 604whp 110 octane tune when you can please and bring a friend with a video camera that has a full battery and a full tape or hard drive. :)

[MSpired]

Cameron,

Of course they turned the boost down for the drag strip run. Of course they did. I know I'd go from 667 rwhp to 616 rwhp if I wanted to prove to the world how quick my car was. Of course they did.

Now prove me wrong by taking a standard HPF750 kit car to the quarter and running anywhere near 11.666 @ 129 MPH. I'm sure it can be done, since there's only 12 whp difference in tune, right. Of course it can.

The hard part is going to be to see another car that is packing 295's in the rear and able to hit a decent to good track like HPF did.

[LAFENGAS]

Taz, I did dyno my car on a dynojet dyno:

Stock: 271RWHP
AA Gen 2 stage 2: 438RWHP
HPF Turbo kit: ??? give me 2 weeks.

Fabio, Congrats on getting the kit. It was great hanging out with you in T.O. during the Grand Prix. Hope to hang out again.

--josh

[supersickbimmer]

Fabio, Congrats on getting the kit. It was great hanging out with you in T.O. during the Grand Prix. Hope to hang out again.

--josh

Anytime buddy, you ny speed guys are :str8pimpi

Btw, I'll coming over to install my CSL roof as soon as I get it:hi:

[MrBlonde]

The hard part is going to be to see another car that is packing 295's in the rear and able to hit a decent to good track like HPF did.
Will make zero difference to the trap speed which is a strong indicator of engine power. The HNPF wundercar didn't cut a good short tiem anyway with those dogshit wheels and tires. The shop car can run a 10 second pass with decent 15" wheels and MT ET Drag 26x8.5-15 ... of course then it will destroy it's rear end ;-)

[turboaddiction]

The hard part is going to be to see another car that is packing 295's in the rear and able to hit a decent to good track like HPF did.
They don't need 295s. Stickier rubber or taller rubber is better anyway. BFG makes Drag Radials in 18". Robert. hint hint. :str8pimpi

[Evil Twin Rob]

Please, message to Robert...take her to the strip on your 604whp 110 octane tune when you can please and bring a friend with a video camera that has a full battery and a full tape or hard drive. :)

I'm trying to get to the track, but I doubt it will happen this year. I live in a cold part of the country, and I think the track is closing soon for the year.

[Evil Twin Rob]

They don't need 295s. Stickier rubber or taller rubber is better anyway. BFG makes Drag Radials in 18". Robert. hint hint. :str8pimpi

Some say "size doesn't matter". I agree that tire compound plays a big role. Taller tires will actually change your gear ratio a little. I don't know if you could put a tall enough tire on this car to make much difference, but it's something to consider. And, as much as it pains me, I agree with MrBlonde that if you get too sticky a stock rearend may suffer. If something has to give, I would rather it be the tires.

[MrBlonde]

Some say "size doesn't matter". I agree that tire compound plays a big role. Taller tires will actually change your gear ratio a little. I don't know if you could put a tall enough tire on this car to make much difference, but it's something to consider. And, as much as it pains me, I agree with MrBlonde that if you get too sticky a stock rearend may suffer. If something has to give, I would rather it be the tires.

Rob if you want to run your best passes at a drag strip then swap in a 410 diff pronto. I'd be staying with drag radials for the reasons you mentioned, you can probably fit the same riubber as Adam under his E46 coupe:

Mickey Thompson ET Street part number 3792 -> 26x10.50-16
+ Sidewall width: 10.3"
+ Tread width: 8.4"
+ Height: 25.9"
+ Credit: Adam (PEI330i)

Chris,'s shop E46 Turbo only cut a 2.008 short time, that can be demolished with 15" or 16" drag radials.

I do beleive that 15" wheels and slicks will get a better short time, but you're going to break driveline, I guarantee it.

I love these HPF kits, they are a great platform for a quick street car at the drag strip with some tweaks.

[Evil Twin Rob]

Now prove me wrong by taking a standard HPF750 kit car to the quarter and running anywhere near 11.666 @ 129 MPH. I'm sure it can be done, since there's only 12 whp difference in tune, right. Of course it can.

Ok man, let me break this down further. The "standard" HPF kit makes 415 rwhp on 92 octane pump gas. That same "standard" HPF kit makes 600rwhp (mine was 604rwhp to be exact) on 110 octane leaded race fuel. They install a keyed switch in the car that enables you to switch between pump gas mode with 5-6 psi boost, to race gas mode with 11-12 psi boost. So, will my car, with a "standard" HPF kit that makes 604 rwhp on race gas and a good set of street tires run anywhere near a 11.666 @ 129 mph? I can't see any reason it won't.

[Evil Twin Rob]

Rob if you want to run your best passes at a drag strip then swap in a 410 diff pronto. I'd be staying with drag radials for the reasons you mentioned, you can probably fit the same riubber as Adam under his E46 coupe:

Mickey Thompson ET Street part number 3792 -> 26x10.50-16
+ Sidewall width: 10.3"
+ Tread width: 8.4"
+ Height: 25.9"
+ Credit: Adam (PEI330i)

Chris,'s shop E46 Turbo only cut a 2.008 short time, that can be demolished with 15" or 16" drag radials.

I do beleive that 15" wheels and slicks will get a better short time, but you're going to break driveline, I guarantee it.

I love these HPF kits, they are a great platform for a quick street car at the drag strip with some tweaks.

As much as I would like to have a car that ran 10's, i'm more interested in having a dependable car that I can take on a 20 hour road trip at any given time. Drag racing is a huge rush, but gets expensive when you start breaking parts. Changing rear end gears and putting on slicks is just a little farther than I want to go. If I do make it to the track I will be sure to post the times, but I will have to spend some time learning how to get out the hole without blowing the tires off. I love that M Coupe by the way. That's a rare car where i'm from.

[TaZaM3]

Cameron,

Of course they turned the boost down for the drag strip run. Of course they did. I know I'd go from 667 rwhp to 616 rwhp if I wanted to prove to the world how quick my car was. Of course they did.

Now prove me wrong by taking a standard HPF750 kit car to the quarter and running anywhere near 11.666 @ 129 MPH. I'm sure it can be done, since there's only 12 whp difference in tune, right. Of course it can.

For some reason i see it your way as well.

Will make zero difference to the trap speed which is a strong indicator of engine power. The HNPF wundercar didn't cut a good short tiem anyway with those dogshit wheels and tires. The shop car can run a 10 second pass with decent 15" wheels and MT ET Drag 26x8.5-15 ... of course then it will destroy it's rear end ;-)

Tracks will make a difference in trap speeds and you know that, buti do agree the short time doesnt effect the traps much unless you really dont hook all the way down like i did.

They don't need 295s. Stickier rubber or taller rubber is better anyway. BFG makes Drag Radials in 18". Robert. hint hint. :str8pimpi

Those BFG's suck, they should not hook on his car like they didnt with mine.

[MrBlonde]

Ok man, let me break this down further. The "standard" HPF kit makes 415 rwhp on 92 octane pump gas. That same "standard" HPF kit makes 600rwhp (mine was 604rwhp to be exact) on 110 octane leaded race fuel. They install a keyed switch in the car that enables you to switch between pump gas mode with 5-6 psi boost, to race gas mode with 11-12 psi boost. So, will my car, with a "standard" HPF kit that makes 604 rwhp on race gas and a good set of street tires run anywhere near a 11.666 @ 129 mph? I can't see any reason it won't.
I beleive you Rob, just show me, don't tell me ;-)

[pei330ci]

Crystal Ball:

2 years from now Rob has another DD and takes the M3 to the track in a trailer....regularily. :)

It's a slippery slope...

[BMWDEMON]

some nice reading and congrats to all who have the new kit...will be keeping an eye on this thread for future vids and stories!

M

[MSpired]

Will make zero difference to the trap speed which is a strong indicator of engine power. The HNPF wundercar didn't cut a good short tiem anyway with those dogshit wheels and tires. The shop car can run a 10 second pass with decent 15" wheels and MT ET Drag 26x8.5-15 ... of course then it will destroy it's rear end ;-)

I was refering to the time more than the trap. Unless the track is extremely horrible and he cant go WOT the whole way down, the trap shouldn't be affected. Although, altitude and temps will affect it...

They don't need 295s. Stickier rubber or taller rubber is better anyway. BFG makes Drag Radials in 18". Robert. hint hint. :str8pimpi

I'm just saying, don't expect everypen to be running as good rubber as HPF was. Most will be on 275's or less...

[Evil Twin Rob]

I beleive you Rob, just show me, don't tell me ;-)

I'm feelin' ya man!

[Evil Twin Rob]

Crystal Ball:

2 years from now Rob has another DD and takes the M3 to the track in a trailer....regularily. :)

It's a slippery slope...

Haha! You're probably not far off on that prediction.:thumbsup:

[turboaddiction]

Those BFG's suck, they should not hook on his car like they didnt with mine.
True but they are the best traction available if you don't want to change out rear breaks and rims to fit 15" or 16" rim rubber. They made a huge difference on my Supra going from 19" 285s to BFG 17" DR 275s. No hooking in 3rd and some in 4th (regular street radials) to full hook by 3rd (DRs). Of course taller sidewall would be better and also using MTs but then you are talking about purchasing another set of rims, etc. since they aren't available in 18".
I'm just saying, don't expect everyone to be running as good rubber as HPF was. Most will be on 275's or less...
275 or 265 BFG DRs in 18" will hook way better than the HPF 295 19" regular street radials anyday. So they wouldn't have to fender roll at all. They could just throw on some BFG DRs and pull some better times. Not to mention it is so fun to do burnouts and hook. With regular street tires you can't heat them up too much because they get slick rather than sticky.

[jt330ci]

alot of companies make drag radials. Not many have DOT drag radials that are legal for the street. You guys should check out with the Drag Radial classs lay down at the track. Hoosier and MT make some Drag radials that are pretty much slicks. You guys can try some of those

[jt330ci]

I'm just saying, don't expect everypen to be running as good rubber as HPF was. Most will be on 275's or less...

I feel that if someone is going to spend that much money on this kit they could dish out another grand and buy some good tires. After all stock tires are made to handle 300 horses and now your doubling it with the kit.:)

[MSpired]

I feel that if someone is going to spend that much money on this kit they could dish out another grand and buy some good tires. After all stock tires are made to handle 300 horses and now your doubling it with the kit.:)

You guys are taking what I said too far.

All i'm saying is, everyone likes different things and wants different things.....

Blah, anywayss...

[turboaddiction]

alot of companies make drag radials. Not many have DOT drag radials that are legal for the street. You guys should check out with the Drag Radial classs lay down at the track. Hoosier and MT make some Drag radials that are pretty much slicks. You guys can try some of those
Now you're getting crazy. If not DOT street approved then might as well be full slicks. I only mentioned drag radials that are DOT approved cause you can drive around fine with them on the street...as long as it doesn't rain or snow. :)

Anyway, Robert's car rocks. Can't wait to see a vid of him beating something cool on the street at least.

[Evil Twin Rob]

Anyway, Robert's car rocks. Can't wait to see a vid of him beating something cool on the street at least.

Thanks for the props man! I'll see about getting some vids, I just gotta find someone to run the camera that doesn't scream like a little girl everytime the tires cut loose.

[pei330ci]

Thanks for the props man! I'll see about getting some vids, I just gotta find someone to run the camera that doesn't scream like a little girl everytime the tires cut loose.

I used one of these for a while:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e29/PEI330Ci/April456.jpg

Mounts to the windshield and stays. Here's a short clip from 0 MPH to 88 MPH to 0 MPH that I filmed with it:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e29/PEI330Ci/th_0to140to0.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e29/PEI330Ci/?action=view&current=0to140to0.flv)

Doesn't scream, and you don't have to clean the passenger seat after. :P

[Evil Twin Rob]

Mounts to the windshield and stays. Here's a short clip from 0 MPH to 88 MPH to 0 MPH that I filmed with it:



Did you say 88 mph? Good thing you didn't have the flux capacitor installed! LMAO! That's a pretty cool setup though.

[kbmw69]

What ever happened to the 500 whp on pump gas and 600 whp on race gas. I see its making over 600 whp on race gas but Horsepower Freaks said it will make 500 whp on pump gas. Why is it only making 415 whp on pump gas now?

[Evil Twin Rob]

What ever happened to the 500 whp on pump gas and 600 whp on race gas. I see its making over 600 whp on race gas but Horsepower Freaks said it will make 500 whp on pump gas. Why is it only making 415 whp on pump gas now?

Yes, they originally advertised 500 whp on pump gas, and I never asked why it had been lowered. I assumed it was for safety and reliability purposes. With 11.5:1 compression, you can only do so much with pump gas. The knock alarm is a new addition to thier kit, so I suspect they may have discovered a little detonation happening. Chris would be the one to answer this question, because I really have no idea, just thoughts. I believe the stage 2 kit with methanol injection will produce 500 whp on pump gas.

[turboaddiction]

Yes, they originally advertised 500 whp on pump gas, and I never asked why it had been lowered. I assumed it was for safety and reliability purposes. With 11.5:1 compression, you can only do so much with pump gas. The knock alarm is a new addition to thier kit, so I suspect they may have discovered a little detonation happening. Chris would be the one to answer this question, because I really have no idea, just thoughts. I believe the stage 2 kit with methanol injection will produce 500 whp on pump gas.
Well put. Yeah that subject has been beaten on other forums and threads. It was just a bad assumption until they started testing and what you said is the case there.

One thing I suggested (in another HPF thread) and now since there might (probably) be a market for HPF to do this:

The e36 guys have been doing a cheaper version of lowering compression by using a 0.140 thickness MLS head gasket. This lowers compression by ~1.5. So this would take the 11.5:1 down to 10.0:1CR which would greatly increase the ability to perform more power on pump fuel. However the labor to remove the head, install the new HG and then reseal the head can be about $1000. So the overall cost is $1000 plus the HG which for the e36 guys is ~$230 plus you need to change to ARP head studs which are a few more bucks. That is cheaper than the methanol upgrade and you never have to worry about methanol. It would be even better to get it down to 9.5:1CR with a thicker one since it would have to be made custom at first anyway. That CR should probably allow HPF to yield well over 500whp on pump fuel.

HPF...are you listening? :)

[ritos530i]

If they drop the compression to 9.5:1 I don't see why they couldn't make 550+hp with their setup.
The question is how much does it really cost to remove the head. I paid 3600 bucks and now i feel ripped off especially if it only cost 1k.

[JRoz]

hey do we have any 0-60 times with these kits yet?

[MSpired]

Well put. Yeah that subject has been beaten on other forums and threads. It was just a bad assumption until they started testing and what you said is the case there.

One thing I suggested (in another HPF thread) and now since there might (probably) be a market for HPF to do this:

The e36 guys have been doing a cheaper version of lowering compression by using a 0.140 thickness MLS head gasket. This lowers compression by ~1.5. So this would take the 11.5:1 down to 10.0:1CR which would greatly increase the ability to perform more power on pump fuel. However the labor to remove the head, install the new HG and then reseal the head can be about $1000. So the overall cost is $1000 plus the HG which for the e36 guys is ~$230 plus you need to change to ARP head studs which are a few more bucks. That is cheaper than the methanol upgrade and you never have to worry about methanol. It would be even better to get it down to 9.5:1CR with a thicker one since it would have to be made custom at first anyway. That CR should probably allow HPF to yield well over 500whp on pump fuel.

HPF...are you listening? :)


I think their goal is more towards a true bolt on kit without opening up the engine...

There is nothing wrong with methenol IMO :thumbsup:

[turboaddiction]

If they drop the compression to 9.5:1 I don't see why they couldn't make 550+hp with their setup.
The question is how much does it really cost to remove the head. I paid 3600 bucks and now I feel ripped off especially if it only cost 1k.
Hmmmm...I have actually been told $750 before. What did they do to your motor where they charged $3600? It doesn't cost that to take your entire motor out, take it apart, put it back together and put it back in the engine bay.

I think their goal is more towards a true bolt on kit without opening up the engine...

There is nothing wrong with methenol IMO :thumbsup:
True. Well, I am eagerly waiting to see what the methanol does with pump. It's going to be exciting! :excited: Methanol is considered 113 motor octane equivalent. That would mean race fuel number possibilities! :wowee:

[MSpired]

True. Well, I am eagerly waiting to see what the methanol does with pump. It's going to be exciting! :excited: Methanol is considered 113 motor octane equivalent. That would mean race fuel number possibilities! :wowee:

Not to mention its cooling properties as well :thumbsup:

[Amir PG]

My car finally made it:excited: My god was it hard to ship the car from T.O to Portland. It will be worth it though.:thumbsup: Keep us updated Chris.

Fabio.

OMG fabio , u geting this done, damet. good luck plz tell us when the car gets here i wanna see it first hand. BTW what ever happen to ure AA stage II are u selling that im looking for used kit..?

[plaroud]

I am just curious what gears the M3 run. The Corvette has low gears for torque and i know the M3 has low gears as well. This plays a huge differents in my opinion.

This is the point i was making.
They have different gear ratio so this will play a huge factor in a race.
Sorry this reply is a few pages back. I thought you meant that but you actually said they both have low gears which is untrue.