Gauging Interest in a HPF Rear Subframe Reinforcement Group Buy

[HPF Chris]

As I continue to hear reports about subframes tearing, I'd like to see if there would be interest in doing some preventative maintenance from everyone. We could do a group buy on the HorsepowerFreaks Subframe Reinforcement Kit and/or on the installation as well to get a bunch of cars stiffened up. We can also do the bushings and control arms at the same time.

Chris.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/partdetails/HorsepowerFreaks/Body/Subframe_Reinforcement_Plates//13757

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/HorsepowerFreaks/Subframe_Reinforcement_Plates_LRG.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/partdetails/UUC_Motorwerks/Suspension/Bushings/Urethane_Rear_Trailing_Arm/12757

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/viewimageresize.asp?w=252&p=UUC_Motorwerks&f=Bushings_Urethane_Rear_Trailing_Arm

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/partdetails/Specialty_Products/Suspension/Camber_Kits//5801

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/Specialty_Products/Camber_Kits_LRG.jpg

[A55A55IN]

would this be for M only? or non-M as well?

[MSpired]

I'm definitely interested :thumbsup:

[MachRc]

having two diff mounting locations i dont think ive heard anything rip off a m3 yet, but with so much turbo power id def consider putting those on if i had an m3 to turbo....that is..

[HPFMTRE]

yeah im down.

[pachieh]

Price including installation? I might just drive down from Olympia, WA to you guys to have it done. How long for install?

[juslookin]

would this be for M only? or non-M as well?
:werd:

[HPF Chris]

Price including installation? I might just drive down from Olympia, WA to you guys to have it done. How long for install?

Group buy prices for E46 M3 only....

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $600 install + $100 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
5 or more people signed up - $200 install + $50 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $225 install + $330 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $200 install + $315 for the kit

If you're interested, just post interested on this thread.

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
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[MSpired]

If 10 or more sign up, i'll drive up there for the subframe install and alignment!

[Nico3k]

The M3 isn't even as weak as the non-M. We really need this deal for non-M since our subframes are soda-can quality. I'm worried about putting in an LSD with sticky tires, and I don't even have boost.

[funkboy316]

i should have had that subframe done while my car was there :banghead:
thats a great price even without a goupbuy discount.

maybe when i send my car back for stage 2.5 :pimpin:

[MSpired]

The M3 isn't even as weak as the non-M. We really need this deal for non-M since our subframes are soda-can quality. I'm worried about putting in an LSD with sticky tires, and I don't even have boost.

The parts and labor should be the exact same, so I don't see why Chris would care if it's non M's...

[supersickbimmer]

Chris, I'm good for the sub frame and shock mount x2. Me and my buddies M3 cab.

[docwyte]

Crap, why can't you guys be closer to Colorado?

[mr.andersen]

shoot, you guys are in portland, otherwise, i'd be in.

[HPF Chris]

We may include the non-M's in this as well. Let me do some research and determine the labor costs associated with that car. We'll design different plates for it if necessary.

Chris, I'm good for the sub frame and shock mount x2. Me and my buddies M3 cab.


Group buy prices for E46 M3 only....

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $600 install + $100 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
5 or more people signed up - $200 install + $50 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $225 install + $330 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $200 install + $315 for the kit

If you're interested, just post interested on this thread.

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer
4. supersickbimmer buddy
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[05SCM3]

This is a terrific offer Chris! I'll bet you are up to 10 before the weekend is over.

[Dreksc]

Interested in the kit alone...too far for install :bawling:

[04LSBM3]

Wow the install price is cheap, if I were on the west coast I would be in, thats a good deal.

[rat3d m]

is there a diffrence between turner kit and this one ? turner kit seems like it has more parts ? is there any diffrence ?

[MSpired]

Interested in the kit alone...too far for install :bawling:

We can driveup together :hi:

[HPFMTRE]

We can driveup together :hi:

im driving too...ROADTRIP! lol

[MSpired]

im driving too...ROADTRIP! lol

Done! We'll make it a lil Mfest of our own, just to the rain instead of clubs and strippers

[Dreksc]

We can driveup together :hi:

Sounds good! :pimpin:

[OCswedishM3]

Done! We'll make it a lil Mfest of our own, just to the rain instead of clubs and strippers

I'll make the drive if 10 sign up...count me in. Great deal

[HPF Chris]

is there a diffrence between turner kit and this one ? turner kit seems like it has more parts ? is there any diffrence ?


There's no difference. We developed ours based on our own specifications.


Group buy prices for E46 M3 only....

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $600 install + $100 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
5 or more people signed up - $200 install + $50 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $225 install + $330 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $200 install + $315 for the kit

If you're interested, just post interested on this thread.

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer (ship)
4. supersickbimmer buddy (ship)
5. Dreksc
6. OCswedishM3 ??
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10.

[HPFMTRE]

Done! We'll make it a lil Mfest of our own, just to the rain instead of clubs and strippers

I'll make the drive if 10 sign up...count me in. Great deal

haha for sure bro Mfest 2.5 ...in the rain and no clubs or strippers here we come! lol alright well set this up for sure though:thumbsup:

[Evil Twin Rob]

Count me in.

[hohowan]

haha for sure bro Mfest 2.5 ...in the rain and no clubs or strippers here we come! lol alright well set this up for sure though:thumbsup:

Sorry getting off topic here but I had to chime in...Portland has the most strip clubs and micro breweries per capita than any other city in the US. :pimpin:

[MSpired]

Looks we will have 10 in no time :thumbsup:

Sorry getting off topic here but I had to chime in...Portland has the most strip clubs and micro breweries per capita than any other city in the US. :pimpin:

Lol, who ever would have guessed....

[SPDu4ea]

Sorry getting off topic here but I had to chime in...Portland has the most strip clubs and micro breweries per capita than any other city in the US. :pimpin:

Haha, I was just going to post this.

[TxZHP04]

is there a diffrence between turner kit and this one ? turner kit seems like it has more parts ? is there any diffrence ?

The Turner kit also contains 2 block off panels for the trunk floor. Their kit requires cutting 2 small holes in the trunk floor to do some welding from the top side. I'm jumping to a big conclusion here but I'm guessing the HPF reinforcement is slightly different in this regard. I'm not implying that it's better or worse, just addressing your question about the Turner kit having more parts. Turner recommends about 15 hrs labor to install their kit and my installation was in line with that estimate. Group buy or not, this HPF deal is a real steal in my opinion. Either the HPF kit requires much less labor to install or labor rates up in OR are dirt cheap.

I'd highly encourage people to take advantage of this if at all possible... just search for my thread here in FI if you really need a reminder as to why.

[rat3d m]

The Turner kit also contains 2 block off panels for the trunk floor. Their kit requires cutting 2 small holes in the trunk floor to do some welding from the top side. I'm jumping to a big conclusion here but I'm guessing the HPF reinforcement is slightly different in this regard. I'm not implying that it's better or worse, just addressing your question about the Turner kit having more parts. Turner recommends about 15 hrs labor to install their kit and my installation was in line with that estimate. Group buy or not, this HPF deal is a real steal in my opinion. Either the HPF kit requires much less labor to install or labor rates up in OR are dirt cheap.

I'd highly encourage people to take advantage of this if at all possible... just search for my thread here in FI if you really need a reminder as to why.


Thanks for answer my question also are there any pics of this kit installed ? thanks HPF

[Teb74]

interested... located in beaverton...

[HPF Chris]

Group buy prices for E46 M3 only....

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $600 install + $100 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
5 or more people signed up - $200 install + $50 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $225 install + $330 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $200 install + $315 for the kit

If you're interested, just post interested on this thread.

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer (ship)
4. supersickbimmer buddy (ship)
5. Dreksc
6. OCswedishM3 ??
7. Evil Twin Rob
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Here are some pictures of us installing the Turner kit in Ardika's M3 (Our kit has thicker plates and they've been designed to cover a bit more surface area. We do not weld another plate in the trunk as shown in the pictures below because we've been able to do it in such a way that this isn't necessary). All the cars since this one in the pictures below have used our subframe kit. Both the Turner and the HPF kits are great. There's only so many ways you can make plates to re-inforce the subframe.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/subframe1.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/subframe2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/subframe3.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/subframe4.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/subframe5.jpg

Here's pictures of our techs reinforcing the HPF M3's subframe for our stage 4 turbo kit.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFM3/stage4/hpfsubframe1.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFM3/stage4/hpfsubframe2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFM3/stage4/hpfsubframe3.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFM3/stage4/hpfsubframe4.jpg

[yellowssm]

Chris, does the HPF kit have the trunk pieces or is there any in the trunk reinforcement?

[Jeffxxx]

I'm in.

[MSpired]

Group buy prices for E46 M3 only....

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $600 install + $100 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
5 or more people signed up - $200 install + $50 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $225 install + $330 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $200 install + $315 for the kit

If you're interested, just post interested on this thread.

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer (ship)
4. supersickbimmer buddy (ship)
5. Dreksc
6. OCswedishM3 ??
7. Evil Twin Rob
8. Jeffxxx
9.
10.

[MSpired]

Chris, are people able to get the discounted price on just the kit without install?

[A55A55IN]

Chris,

Whenever the plates for non-M's are ready, please put me on the list.

[RedGutz]

Im down for the Subframe Reinforcement kit and maybe for Lower Control Arms and me to the list. Im in ny so that a drive and if i do drive im gettin stg2.5 while im there lol

[HPF Chris]

Im down for the Subframe Reinforcement kit and maybe for Lower Control Arms and me to the list. Im in ny so that a drive and if i do drive im gettin stg2.5 while im there lol

Sounds good. I've got you on the list.


Chris, are people able to get the discounted price on just the kit without install?


Yes, I will give the discount price on the kits that I ship as well. The BIG savings with this deal is on the installation however. It is a considerable amount of work and we normally charge a lot more to do it.


Chris, does the HPF kit have the trunk pieces or is there any in the trunk reinforcement?


We reinforce the top of the subframe from the trunk. The trunk itself is not reinforced.


Group buy prices for E46 M3 only....

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $600 install + $100 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
5 or more people signed up - $200 install + $50 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $225 install + $330 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $200 install + $315 for the kit

If you're interested, just post interested on this thread.

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer (ship)
4. supersickbimmer buddy (ship)
5. Dreksc
6. OCswedishM3 ??
7. Evil Twin Rob
8. RedGutz
9. Jeffxxx
10.
11.
12.
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14.
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[HPF Chris]

Group buy prices for E46 M3 only....

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $600 install + $100 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
5 or more people signed up - $200 install + $50 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $225 install + $330 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $200 install + $315 for the kit

If you're interested, just post interested on this thread.

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer (ship)
4. supersickbimmer buddy (ship)
5. Dreksc
6. OCswedishM3 ??
7. Evil Twin Rob
8. RedGutz
9. Jeffxxx
10. opiejoe
11.
12.
13.
14.
15

[yellowssm]

count me in chris. Sending my car your way as soon as you guys can get the shipping company my way.

[HPF Chris]

Group buy prices for E46 M3 only....

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $600 install + $100 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
5 or more people signed up - $200 install + $50 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
5 or more people signed up - $225 install + $330 for the kit
10 or more people signed up - $200 install + $315 for the kit

If you're interested, just post interested on this thread.

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer (ship)
4. supersickbimmer buddy (ship)
5. Dreksc
6. OCswedishM3 ??
7. Evil Twin Rob
8. RedGutz
9. Jeffxxx
10. opiejoe
11. yellowss
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[HPF Chris]

The "Subframe Group-buy" reached 10 people so we can now provide the Group Buy discount pricing to everyone on this list. Please call David at 503-256-5600 X103, or email him at david@horsepowerfreaks.com and let him know whether you wanted the Subframe reinforcement, RTABS and/or lower control arms and whether you wanted them installed here or shipped to you. I'm going to keep this "Group Buy" special open until the end of the month for those that need a little longer to save up the money.

E46 M3 only for now... Please inquire about the non-M versions.

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
Group buy price - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
Group buy price - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
Group buy price - $200 install + $315 for the kit

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer (ship)
4. supersickbimmer buddy (ship)
5. Dreksc
6. OCswedishM3 ??
7. Evil Twin Rob
8. RedGutz
9. Jeffxxx
10. opiejoe
11. yellowss
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.

[Jeffxxx]

Is there going to be a set date for the installation? The only problem I see happening for me is that I work M-F. Unless you guys are open on weekends or holidays?

[HPF Chris]

Is there going to be a set date for the installation? The only problem I see happening for me is that I work M-F. Unless you guys are open on weekends or holidays?

We can do cars on the weekends as long as it is coordinated. I will need to shift days around with my staff. Depending on where you live, you could drive up Friday after work, and hang out in Portland while your car is being done. We've got the time down so that we will only need it for about 8 hours. My techs will be freeing up from projects in about 2 weeks. So we could schedule it.

Just let us know.

Take care,
Chris.

[techracer]

I'm in, will drive down from Kirkland. Maybe in for RTAB's too, what is the count on those?

As a side note, which of the two makes the most improvement 1, RTAB's or lower controll arms?

[HPF Chris]

I'm in, will drive down from Kirkland. Maybe in for RTAB's too, what is the count on those?

As a side note, which of the two makes the most improvement 1, RTAB's or lower controll arms?

Most people get the lower control arms first thing. If you ever look under there, they're literaly made out of sheet metal and they bend all the time. Just strap the car to the dyno using those one time and they'll bend up like a paper clip. The UUC control arms are made of chromemoly steel and aluminum so they are very rigid. They also allow you to set up your camber to whatever you want whereas the factory camber adjustment is very limited in its range. The RTAB's are easy to do when the rear end is out of the car. We can do them with the rear end in as well, but if you're going to do the subframe reinforcement you might as well do the RTAB's.


E46 M3 only for now... Please inquire about the non-M versions.

Subframe Reinforcement
Normal price - $800 install + $139 for the kit
Group buy price - $550 install + $75 for the kit

RTABS
Normal price - $300 install + $57
Group buy price - $175 install + $45 for the kit

Lower Control Arms and Alignment
Normal price - $275 install + $349 for the kit
Group buy price - $200 install + $315 for the kit

1. HPFMTRE
2. MSpired
3. supersickbimmer (ship)
4. supersickbimmer buddy (ship)
5. Dreksc
6. OCswedishM3 ??
7. Evil Twin Rob
8. RedGutz
9. Jeffxxx
10. opiejoe
11. yellowss
12. techracer
13.
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15.
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18.
19.
20.

[techracer]

more of a discount to do the RTAB's at the same time? I'll need to do this probably on either a friday or saturday.

[patch06]

can I pick up just a pair of the rear control arms for a NON M e46 at this price? thanks

[ozone]

Can somebody link or PM me info on the reinforcement and RTABs? I know this is an issue, just not very educated on it. Also, I am on East Coast...so is there install info for my local shop.

[HPF Chris]

We're doing the subframe reinforcement and subframe bushings on an E46 330 next Wednesday. If everything fits as we expect, we're going to extend this group by to the E46 non-M's. :)

Chris.


Can somebody link or PM me info on the reinforcement and RTABs? I know this is an issue, just not very educated on it. Also, I am on East Coast...so is there install info for my local shop.


The subframe can tear over time where the rear end bolts to it. We sell plates that are welded to the subframe to provide the structural rigidity it needs to keep from tearing. Email david@horsepowerfreaks.com if you'd like to get in on the group buy pricing

Here are shops on the East Coast that can install them for you. http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/hpfdealers/


can I pick up just a pair of the rear control arms for a NON M e46 at this price? thanks


Yes... Send an email to david@horsepowerfreaks.com and he'll get them on their way to you.


more of a discount to do the RTAB's at the same time? I'll need to do this probably on either a friday or saturday.


Shoot an email to david@horsepowerfreaks.com and he'll schedule you in.

Take care,
Chris.

[04jtm3]

Wow. Really good price for kit and install. I got it done at about the same price with my group buy I set up in NY.

[QUOTE=HPF Chris;8692516]We're doing the subframe reinforcement and subframe bushings on an E46 330 next Wednesday. If everything fits as we expect, we're going to extend this group by to the E46 non-M's. :)

Chris.


It should work out fine since we had e46 330's in the group buy and we bought the same reinforcement kit as the m3's.

[p0kerface]

so...did this already happen? seems like an awesome deal but i'm still doing research to figure out if i need this or not. i have suspension mods planned out but for the moment my car is stock. i dont intend much more power than the stock m3 comes with but i do take the car into canyons alot. still trying to figure out if these subframe failures are due to power, cornering, potholes, age...etc

[HPF Chris]

so...did this already happen? seems like an awesome deal but i'm still doing research to figure out if i need this or not. i have suspension mods planned out but for the moment my car is stock. i dont intend much more power than the stock m3 comes with but i do take the car into canyons alot. still trying to figure out if these subframe failures are due to power, cornering, potholes, age...etc

Yes, we're going to leave the group buy open for another month. If you're interested, shoot an email to david@horsepowerfreaks.com and he'll take care of you.

Take care,
Chris.