Technique Tuning E46 330 Turbo Kit Information Thread

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

As many of you've heard, Technique Tuning has come up with a turbo kit for the E46 330 vehicles. I've decided to post this thread in order to answer several of the common questions members may have.

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The kit is designed to fit an E46 330 (both coupe and sedan) and bolt onto a stock engine. No internal modifications are required. Pricing is $6900 for the manual transmission model, and $7200 for the automatic transmission model. Below is some basic information for the kit, as well as several questions and answers.

You can go to our website, www.techniquetuning.com , and find more details and pictures of the kit.

What models does it fit?

The kit's current release fits the 2001-2002 330 models, along with some early 2003 models (up through 02/2003 production). Both coupe and sedan fitments are covered. The kit will not fit the Xi model.

Will 03/2003-2005 models be made available?

Yes. The 03/2003-2005 330 models will be ready shortly.

How much boost does the kit run?

8.5psi.

How much power is provided?

With 8.5psi the kit puts out about 315rwhp and 300rwft-lbs. using the stock resonator and muffler.

How is tuning accomplished?

The kit includes new, larger injectors (36lb/hr) and our blow-through mass air meter. We also reflash the factory ECU with software that we've developed in-house specifically for the kit.

How long does installation take?

We estimate that an experienced, qualified tech (or somebody familiar with the E46 chassis) can install the kit in 10-12 hours.

Will the kit work on a 325?

Physically, yes. We plan on changing the turbo's specs slightly to better suit the smaller displacement of the 2.5L. The 325 kit will be available once we finish the software for the 2.5L.

Will the kit fit automatic transmission equipped cars?

Yes. The only differences is that the automatic cars need a new electric puller fan installed, and will be setup to run only 6psi of boost in an effort to help the transmission stay alive.

Is an electronic boost controller or boost gauge included?

No.

Can I run less than 8.5psi of boost?

Yes, you can run anywhere from 0-8.5psi boost without changing the ECU software. This change in boost level is accomplished by either changing the wastegate spring, or running an electronic boost controller.

What fuel is required?

The kit is designed to use 93 octane pump fuel. For areas with lower octane fuel (ie, 91) we have revised software for that lower octane.

Does the clutch need to be upgraded?

Not necessarily. Our test vehicle is still using the stock clutch after 2 years of turbo kit use.

Is a bypass valve or blow-off valve used?

The kit uses a bypass (recirculating) valve.

Are there any dyno graphs of the power output?

Yes, see below:

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<img src="http://www.techniquetuning.com/images/dyno_e46330_md250.jpg">

Feel free to post here or contact me with any further questions or if you would like to place an order: nick@techniquetuning.com

[kasparov_ksa]

how much HP will the 6 psi for the automatic transmission make?

[zeshon]

Nice! Good work being the first to bring this to market.

[Carless_Dude]

is there a way to run more than the 8.5psi?? kinda interested cause im in the market for a 330ci. Else Stage 2?

very nice kit btw, even nicer price ;)

[lilbusa600]

Will the kit work on a 325?

Physically, yes. We plan on changing the turbo's specs slightly to better suit the smaller displacement of the 2.5L. The 325 kit will be available once we finish the software for the 2.5L.



So does this mean that the 323 will use the same software since it is a 2.5L engine? If so will you release a kit for it at the same time as the 325?

[TKC]

Cool! :thumbsup:

Wish I could afford one though LOL.

[shockin330i]

how much HP will the 6 psi for the automatic transmission make?
:werd:

And if we wish, sign a waiver to maintain that 8.5 over 6... :eeps:

[BMW_Matt]

Where will the turbo sit? Same place as the HPF turbo?

[MachRc]

lol where do all turbos sit:D its pictured above,

[cyruzz///E46]

good to see that there's a turbokit for the 330i at least. but why is the graph so bumpy?

[BMW_Matt]

lol where do all turbos sit:D its pictured above,

:hmm:

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

how much HP will the 6 psi for the automatic transmission make?

I can only give an estimate right now, and that's 270rwhp @ 6psi with a ZHP automatic. Naturally I'll be asked how did I arrive at this number?

Our next car to turbo is a 2005 ZHP Automatic. I've had it on our dyno and it put out 197-199rwhp BONE STOCK. That's exactly what our 2001 330ci manual dynoed at when it was stock. The 330 manual puts out ~270rwhp with 6psi, so I'm estimating the ZHP automatic will put out the same.

In a nutshell, for the automatics, a non-ZHP 330 will be ~260rwhp, and a ZHP 300 will be ~270rwhp. Again, these are estimates.

is there a way to run more than the 8.5psi?? kinda interested cause im in the market for a 330ci. Else Stage 2?

The current offering is dubbed 'Stage1'. We do plan on offering a Stage1.5 and Stage2 kit, with 1.5 being water/meth injection with more boost (10-11psi), and Stage2 using a thicker head gasket and more boost (~13psi). Basic kit hardware will remain the same throughout all the stages (ie, same turbo, intercooler, piping, etc.), thus upgrading from Stage1 to Stage2 involves no wasted money or unused parts.

So does this mean that the 323 will use the same software since it is a 2.5L engine? If so will you release a kit for it at the same time as the 325?

No, as the 323 uses a different ECU system (MS42 vs MS43 and MS45). The 323 would require a completely new and unique tune.

And if we wish, sign a waiver to maintain that 8.5 over 6...

Listen, vendors can only make recommendations as to how to use their products. Ultimately it is up to the consumer to either heed their advice or do their own thing. Technically, you can run as much boost with the system as you like by changing the wastegate spring or installing an electronic boost controller. But any damage that may (or may not) result from that is your responsibility :)

Where will the turbo sit?

On the passenger's side, between the side of the engine block and the framerail, towards the back of the engine.

good to see that there's a turbokit for the 330i at least. but why is the graph so bumpy?

It's just a matter of the smoothing value that was chosen for that graph, as well as this particular Dynojet's RPM pickup characteristics (ie, it's a REALLY old Dynojet).

[T330]

The kit will not fit the Xi model.

:(

[BMW_Matt]

I can only give an estimate right now, and that's 270rwhp @ 6psi with a ZHP automatic. Naturally I'll be asked how did I arrive at this number?

Our next car to turbo is a 2005 ZHP Automatic. I've had it on our dyno and it put out 197-199rwhp BONE STOCK. That's exactly what our 2001 330ci manual dynoed at when it was stock. The 330 manual puts out ~270rwhp with 6psi, so I'm estimating the ZHP automatic will put out the same.

In a nutshell, for the automatics, a non-ZHP 330 will be ~260rwhp, and a ZHP 300 will be ~270rwhp. Again, these are estimates.



The current offering is dubbed 'Stage1'. We do plan on offering a Stage1.5 and Stage2 kit, with 1.5 being water/meth injection with more boost (10-11psi), and Stage2 using a thicker head gasket and more boost (~13psi). Basic kit hardware will remain the same throughout all the stages (ie, same turbo, intercooler, piping, etc.), thus upgrading from Stage1 to Stage2 involves no wasted money or unused parts.



No, as the 323 uses a different ECU system (MS42 vs MS43 and MS45). The 323 would require a completely new and unique tune.



Listen, vendors can only make recommendations as to how to use their products. Ultimately it is up to the consumer to either heed their advice or do their own thing. Technically, you can run as much boost with the system as you like by changing the wastegate spring or installing an electronic boost controller. But any damage that may (or may not) result from that is your responsibility :)



On the passenger's side, between the side of the engine block and the framerail, towards the back of the engine.



It's just a matter of the smoothing value that was chosen for that graph, as well as this particular Dynojet's RPM pickup characteristics (ie, it's a REALLY old Dynojet).

I just saw the 5 Youtube video's and I'm in :luv:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TechniqueTuning :thumbsup:

[zeshon]

No, as the 323 uses a different ECU system (MS42 vs MS43 and MS45). The 323 would require a completely new and unique tune.

Beyond that, there is the issue of manifold tuning for the different intake manifolds, and DBW instead of TC. There is a lot more involved here than just displacement.

[NightWolfe]

is the BPV made by Forge Motorsport by chance?

[phrozen06]

Seems like a nice kit.

[k7780446]

wow when i get some extra cash i deff will be interested! and by that time maybe the price will have dropped a little but....props for getting this out to the market! and from the youtube videos it looks like solid results!

nice work!

[E46Arash]

will the tune work for a 2003 z4 3.0? obviously the piping wont but is there something you guys can do to make it work for a z4 3.0?

[SL Blak Soldier]

top mounted turbo correct?

Do we have to send in our ECU to get it flashed or will it be something like the shark injector where you buy it plug it in and transfer the data?

Also with teh flash do you increase the throttle feel with the DBW?

What kind of AFRs are you guys running with this setup?

How big are the charge pipes?

Sorry for the long list, but hey they were gonna be asked eventually. haha

-Raj

[hi its me alec]

top mounted turbo correct?

Do we have to send in our ECU to get it flashed or will it be something like the shark injector where you buy it plug it in and transfer the data?

Also with teh flash do you increase the throttle feel with the DBW?

What kind of AFRs are you guys running with this setup?

How big are the charge pipes?

Sorry for the long list, but hey they were gonna be asked eventually. haha

-Raj

nope, turbo is mounted on the bottom. there's not really enough room to pipe up a top mounted turbo in an e46. superchargers are suuuuuuch a squeeze, and that's without doing anything with the exhaust

and you'll def have to send the ecu in

[hi its me alec]

nick, i've been waiting for this day. great work. let's see a 328 with upgraded clutch and like 13 psi. ;)

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

is the BPV made by Forge Motorsport by chance?

No, it isn't. We have them custom made for us (along with several other parts in the kit).

will the tune work for a 2003 z4 3.0? obviously the piping wont but is there something you guys can do to make it work for a z4 3.0?

yes, the tune will work on the Z4 chassis. As you said though, we will have to spin the mechanicals to fit the Z4.

top mounted turbo correct?

Incorrect...it's a 'bottom' mount.

Do we have to send in our ECU to get it flashed?

Yes.

Also with teh flash do you increase the throttle feel with the DBW?

No, we don't actually. The turbo spools up fairly quick. If we were to increase the responsiveness of the ETC system, then the car wouldn't be as smooth and driveable as it is.

Changing the ETC characteristics just creates a placebo effect anyway. It doesn't produce any increase in power, only an illusion of an increase. The turbo kit, on the other hand, creates real power :)

What kind of AFRs are you guys running with this setup?

See the first post with the Dynojet graph (which shows post-cat AFRs).

How big are the charge pipes?

3" from the air filter to the turbo, 2>2.5" from the turbo to the intercooler, and 3" from the intercooler to the intake manifold.

[Roberto328]

nick, i've been waiting for this day. great work. let's see a 328 with upgraded clutch and like 13 psi. ;)

+1! That would be awesome :bow: Even though with my mileage, I'd have to replace some internals with new ones first :bawling: ...... How much miles do you have on yours Alec?

[Tim30250]

few questions...

1) Is the intercooler air or water?

2) How is the lubrication/cooling designed and plumbed to the turbocharger?

3) I know it's important match gear ratios to the rest of the turbo system. What is recommended for rear differential ratio on a manual car with this kit?

4) Does this turbo need to idle for a while before shutting off the ignition?

5) Is it possible to get a look at the installation manual for this system?

Thanks. :)

[wetdragon]

Great news, Just got a few questions>

Can i run an aftermarket EMS with this kit ( AEM) or the added ability to do launch control and anti lag?

would a BOV work with this set up and ecu?

Estimate power output for 13psi with full 3" exhaust unrestricted.

THanks

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

few questions...

1) Is the intercooler air or water?

air to air.

2) How is the lubrication/cooling designed and plumbed to the turbocharger?

Oil is sourced from the oil filter housing and fed to the turbo via a stainless steel line. The turbo is equipped with water cooling ports in the event you want to plumb water cooling also to it.

3) I know it's important match gear ratios to the rest of the turbo system. What is recommended for rear differential ratio on a manual car with this kit?

Frankly, the stock 2.93 ratio works great with it, as it loads up the turbo and allows boost to be built quickly. No gear change is required.

4) Does this turbo need to idle for a while before shutting off the ignition?

Depends on your driving pattern. If you drive like a madman all the way to the parking stop, then yes, you need to idle the engine a bit to let the turbo stop spinning and cooldown. If you drive 'normally' the last 30-60 seconds of your trip, then no, no cooldown is required.

5) Is it possible to get a look at the installation manual for this system?

Shoot me an email at nick@techniquetuning.com and I'll forward it to you.

Can i run an aftermarket EMS with this kit ( AEM) or the added ability to do launch control and anti lag?

It's your car, you can run any EMS you like. But if you run antilag or the like, you'll void the warranty on the turbocharger

would a BOV work with this set up and ecu?

Actually yes, it would. The initial bringup of this kit had a BOV installed. After 10 months of testing I determined that a BOV just didn't fit the character of the E46 vehicle. Thus, I swapped it out for a BPV.

Estimate power output for 13psi with full 3" exhaust unrestricted.

It's too soon to make those estimates.

[malina]

Nick, is there a possibility to retain the original air filter housing to keep the stock look of the E46 under hood? :)

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

Nick, is there a possibility to retain the original air filter housing to keep the stock look of the E46 under hood? :)

Actually, that's definitely possible. You'd have to cut the bottom of the box to clear the charge pipes, but from above, it would look stock. Anodize the intercooler black and you'd have the ultimate sleeper :)

[illfx]

Great kit Nick!! I wish you the best of luck! To be honest I wish this was an option when I picked up my AA STAGE 1. I REALLY REGRET WORKING WITH ACTIVE. THEY ARE THE WORST!!!

[dreamdrivedrift]

will there be an application for the 328 in the future?

[pat]

325 checking in... / Subscribed!

[E46Arash]

yes, the tune will work on the Z4 chassis. As you said though, we will have to spin the mechanicals to fit the Z4.



probably a dumb question.
would it cost extra to get that done?

[boosted323]

Great kit Nick!! I wish you the best of luck! To be honest I wish this was an option when I picked up my AA STAGE 1. I REALLY REGRET WORKING WITH ACTIVE. THEY ARE THE WORST!!!

I wouldn't go that far. Thier customer service sucks. But they make a great and reliable product. Plus they they really support your efforts when looking to go more custom than off the shelf.

[Battle_Bimmer]

so what about us cal guys, will it pass smog?
also are the auto really that weak?

[_Calle_]

I have there some questions

Will it work with the SMG?

And what cost the shipping to Germany?

regards

[Transporter99]

:(

Don't feel bad. Us 328i (wink, wink) owners were passed up once again for cool products. It's all good. :)

[bernstem]

will there be an application for the 328 in the future?

Same question.

[monkeyjuice5150]

Nik, have you smogged the car yet? I want to see the data sheet. See if its in the Cali requirement.

If not, probably pay someone under the table to get it passed. =)

[BimmerDude18]

Actually, that's definitely possible. You'd have to cut the bottom of the box to clear the charge pipes, but from above, it would look stock. Anodize the intercooler black and you'd have the ultimate sleeper :)
Sounds a lot like someone's install in Orlando (with front shroud cut to hide intercooler from above).

There really isn't a whole lot you can see at all.

[FastKA24DET]

That tune must be garbage if you only get 270 whp out of 330 thats already making almost 200whp stock.
Kit is rip off. To start with, there isn't parts worth 2k in it.
I have been working on turbocharges for 3 years i have manage to get 240whp on 6.37 psi out off 4 cylinder 2000 altima that has 2.4l and comes 155hp at the crank on a bone stock engine.
we talking about inline 6 that already comes with 220 hp, 8.5 is a lot of boost to make only 270whp. I bet i can make those # with 4 psi if i were to built my own kit.

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

That tune must be garbage if you only get 270 whp out of 330 thats already making almost 200whp stock.
Kit is rip off. To start with, there isn't parts worth 2k in it.
I have been working on turbocharges for 3 years i have manage to get 240whp on 6.37 psi out off 4 cylinder 2000 altima that has 2.4l and comes 155hp at the crank on a bone stock engine.
we talking about inline 6 that already comes with 220 hp, 8.5 is a lot of boost to make only 270whp. I bet i can make those # with 4 psi if i were to built my own kit.

:rofl: :lmao:

Dude....you totally made my morning.....you are a trip!

Tell you what....how about I accept your bet? You up to it? Put your vast experience with turbocharging cars to use. I'm sure everybody here would LOVE to see you make the numbers our kit makes with only 4psi of boost. And with only $2000. Of course, you'll have to use NEW components and include EVERYTHING our kit does in order to make it an apples to apples comparison.

But first, you might want to work on your reading comprehension skills...cause you see, with 8.5psi, our kit makes 315rwhp. The 270rwhp figuring you're dogging on is the ESTIMATE for an automatic transmission equipped car running only 6psi of boost.

But go ahead....put your experience where your mouth is....show us all what you're made of :bow:

:lmao:

(sorry guys....I know a sponsor should be 'above' certain things, but some people just don't get it.)

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

so what about us cal guys, will it pass smog?
also are the auto really that weak?

This kit is not smog-legal. It is for off-road use only. But if there are no faults in the system, the Check Engine light will not be on.

The auto trannys are weaker than the manual, that's for sure.

Nik, have you smogged the car yet? I want to see the data sheet. See if its in the Cali requirement.

No, as there are no smog stations here in Florida.

Will there be a 328 application in the future?

I can't say with any certainty right now. If somebody wishes to bring their car to our local installer, we would gladly work with them to modify the kit to fit the 328, and then subsequently, develop the software for the 328.

[BMW_Matt]

4 cylinder 2000 altima

Well there's your problem. It's a nissan. A caveman could tune a nissan :rofl:

[frankieb96]

nick, i don't think you want to tango with this dude, after all he has a whopping 3 years turbo experience.

[wat3rbug]

What kind of mods would someone have to do to get that kit to fit an Xi?

[Battle_Bimmer]

are there any plans to make the kit 50 state legal? if not i never be able of buy it and use it on my car.

[Activ3]

That tune must be garbage if you only get 270 whp out of 330 thats already making almost 200whp stock.
Kit is rip off. To start with, there isn't parts worth 2k in it.
I have been working on turbocharges for 3 years i have manage to get 240whp on 6.37 psi out off 4 cylinder 2000 altima that has 2.4l and comes 155hp at the crank on a bone stock engine.
we talking about inline 6 that already comes with 220 hp, 8.5 is a lot of boost to make only 270whp. I bet i can make those # with 4 psi if i were to built my own kit.
:rofl:

[TxZHP04]

are there any plans to make the kit 50 state legal? if not i never be able of buy it and use it on my car.

This is not even possible per US emissions laws (as I understand them) as aftermarket replacement cats must be installed in the original factory location to be legal. With the conventional turbo placement used by this kit, maintaining the cats in the exhaust manifold is clearly not possible. Even if emissions are completely within spec, this technicality would still prevent the kit from ever becoming "50 state legal."

[Battle_Bimmer]

i hate the smog laws here in "The Peoples Republic Of California"

[TxZHP04]

i hate the smog laws here in "The Peoples Republic Of California"

What I described isn't a CA thing, it's a Federal thing.

[BimmerDude18]

That tune must be garbage if you only get 270 whp out of 330 thats already making almost 200whp stock.
Kit is rip off. To start with, there isn't parts worth 2k in it.
I have been working on turbocharges for 3 years i have manage to get 240whp on 6.37 psi out off 4 cylinder 2000 altima that has 2.4l and comes 155hp at the crank on a bone stock engine.
we talking about inline 6 that already comes with 220 hp, 8.5 is a lot of boost to make only 270whp. I bet i can make those # with 4 psi if i were to built my own kit.

If you'd held some of the parts in your hands you would completely disagree with $2000.

The kit is very much so quality and well laid out.

And he's making a lot more than 270 whp on 8.5 psi, but we'll leave that to some after dyno's of a few installs to prove.

If I had a 330, the $$ to buy this kit, there would be no other considerations. The ease of upgrade makes this kit just spectacular.

[FastKA24DET]

:rofl: :lmao:

Dude....you totally made my morning.....you are a trip!

Tell you what....how about I accept your bet? You up to it? Put your vast experience with turbocharging cars to use. I'm sure everybody here would LOVE to see you make the numbers our kit makes with only 4psi of boost. And with only $2000. Of course, you'll have to use NEW components and include EVERYTHING our kit does in order to make it an apples to apples comparison.

But first, you might want to work on your reading comprehension skills...cause you see, with 8.5psi, our kit makes 315rwhp. The 270rwhp figuring you're dogging on is the ESTIMATE for an automatic transmission equipped car running only 6psi of boost.

But go ahead....put your experience where your mouth is....show us all what you're made of :bow:

:lmao:

(sorry guys....I know a sponsor should be 'above' certain things, but some people just don't get it.)


My apologies 315whp is a decent gain for the boost with stock exhaust, I mised that, sory for that because i was shocked that it would only make 275whp with 8.5psi.

For the parts list even if I use same manifold I can make a kit under 2k
You can get that manifold also on eBay witch I wouldn't use to start with anyways. That's 480.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-E36-E46-M3-Cast-Turbo-Manifold-2-5l-2-8l-3-0l_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ18029 9078438QQptZOtherQ5fVehicleQ5fParts
New Garrett turbo on eBay can be found under 500. (With internal wastegate) I bought mine for 320 shiped last summer good for 400whp.
Injectors I would have look in to it; let's say 350 at the most.
Piping and intercooler 200-250.
BoV under 150
Exhaust piping and flanges I get good deals on those right from magnaflow under 100.
Also oil feed line and drain around 75-100 max.
There you go whole kit.
Forgot to mention boost controller under 50.

7k for the kit is ridicules.

Even if you guys buy new turbo off Garrett that's only couple more hundreds.

There is no way that this kit cost more then 2500 in parts.

SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH BECAUSE ITS MY 4TH LANGUAGE.

It is harder to turbocharge altima then e46 becaust no one makes anything for the 2nd gen altima's.

[BimmerDude18]

My apologies 315whp is a decent gain for the boost with stock exhaust, I miised that, sory for that because i was shocked that it would only make 275whp with 8.5psi.

For the parts list even if I use same manifold I can make a kit under 2k
You can get that manifold also on eBay witch I wouldn’t use to start with anyways. That’s 480.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-E36-E46-M3-Cast-Turbo-Manifold-2-5l-2-8l-3-0l_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ18029 9078438QQptZOtherQ5fVehicleQ5fParts
New Garrett turbo on eBay can be found under 500. (With internal wastegate) I bought mine for 320 shiped last summer good for 400whp.
Injectors I would have look in to it; let’s say 350 at the most.
Piping and intercooler 200-250.
BoV under 150
Exhaust piping and flanges I get good deals on those right from magnaflow under 100.
Also oil feed line and drain around 75-100 max.
There you go whole kit.
PCV conversion, external wastegate, new motor mount, etc.

Also, its not an off the shelf .. anything.

Side note, that manifold looks like crap and doesn't have the turbo flange in the same location. If you had seen this manifold up close you'd realize its worth more than $500.

I'd say having seen the parts that it probably costs Nick over $3,000 (AT LEAST) buying in bulk and doing a lot of self fabrication. All the hoses, couplers, T-bolt clamps, etc. are not just the cheapest you can get, the wastegate pipe is even a pretty intricate piece with an expensive Stainless flex section in it.

The wastegate even has some modified parts to it, this isn't a kit of off the shelf parts.

[FastKA24DET]

Forgot to count external wastegate that another 300$ that i wouldn't spent on it, because i think its waste of the money you not going to rune more then 15psi of boost, and would just use internal wastegate just like in new 335i.

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

Nice try, but you're not even CLOSE to completing a kit. There is NO WAY you're getting a brand new Garrett turbo for less than $500, or even close to that price, with a warranty from an Authorized Garrett distributor. Your $350 figure was probably for a cheap knockoff or a unit that 'fell off the truck'.

Furthermore, you've forgotten MANY important components that are included in our kit, such as:

- 3" downpipe
- external wastegate
- new exhaust manifold gaskets
- additional exhaust manifold cylinder head studs
- new copper exhaust manifold retention nuts
- wastegate dumptube with SS flex section
- high flow catalytic converter
- aluminum template for oil drain location
- NPT tap for oil drain threads
- SS exhaust band clamps (for a no welding required install)
- new engine mount for intake pipe clearance
- powdercoating of ALL intake/charge pipe plumbing
- SS T-bolt hose clamps for all boosted charge pipes
- new, custom made blow through mass air meter
- laser cut, CNC bent, and powdercoated intercooler bracket (not a DIY hacked up piece)
- high quality silicone elbows for pipe joints
- PCV modification kit
- air filter
- plug and play wiring harness adapters/extensions where needed (MAF, O2 sensor)
- all required nuts/bolts/fasteners/silicone hoses/clamps for the installation

and most importantly.....

- software for the factory ECU


The truth is, I've run across people with your way of thinking many times before. You *think* you can do the same, or better, for less. But for some reason, you never follow through with your claims. I wonder why that is? :idea:

I appreciate you giving me a reason to go through and itemize every part that's included with our turbo kit though. It will help those that are interested in the kit to see just how much R&D and how many components are involved in making such a kit a viable product.


My apologies 315whp is a decent gain for the boost with stock exhaust, I mised that, sory for that because i was shocked that it would only make 275whp with 8.5psi.

For the parts list even if I use same manifold I can make a kit under 2k
You can get that manifold also on eBay witch I wouldn't use to start with anyways. That's 480.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-E36-E46-M3-Cast-Turbo-Manifold-2-5l-2-8l-3-0l_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ18029 9078438QQptZOtherQ5fVehicleQ5fParts
New Garrett turbo on eBay can be found under 500. (With internal wastegate) I bought mine for 320 shiped last summer good for 400whp.
Injectors I would have look in to it; let's say 350 at the most.
Piping and intercooler 200-250.
BoV under 150
Exhaust piping and flanges I get good deals on those right from magnaflow under 100.
Also oil feed line and drain around 75-100 max.
There you go whole kit.
Forgot to mention boost controller under 50.

7k for the kit is ridicules.

Even if you guys buy new turbo off Garrett that's only couple more hundreds.

There is no way that this kit cost more then 2500 in parts.

SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH BECAUSE ITS MY 4TH LANGUAGE.

It is harder to turbocharge altima then e46 becaust no one makes anything for the 2nd gen altima's.

[phrozen06]

That tune must be garbage if you only get 270 whp out of 330 thats already making almost 200whp stock.
Kit is rip off. To start with, there isn't parts worth 2k in it.
I have been working on turbocharges for 3 years i have manage to get 240whp on 6.37 psi out off 4 cylinder 2000 altima that has 2.4l and comes 155hp at the crank on a bone stock engine.
we talking about inline 6 that already comes with 220 hp, 8.5 is a lot of boost to make only 270whp. I bet i can make those # with 4 psi if i were to built my own kit.

:rofl:

[sataraid]

FastKA no offense you are quickly making yourself look to be an uninformed idiot. People on this site are well aware of NickG. His reputation as an outstanding tuner precedes him. I drive a BMW. I'll be damned if I will ever install 2nd rated cheap ass parts made in China to power it. You are right. You can throw together a cheap kit looking nothing like stock. How long would it last? My best advice for you?:shhh:

[aggieE46]

Half the stuff the sponsors on this site sell are made in China :)

I'll be damned if I will ever install 2nd rated cheap ass parts made in China to power it.

[B's ZHP]

:thumbsup: Great to hear theres a turbo kit coming out for the 05 330i cant wait to pick one of these up. And really glad to hear we would be able to use a BOV as opposed to a BPV. Now I know what my tax return is going towards.

[hudatder]

gonna have to wait for 2 tax returns =[

[chanlon7]

why no xi?

[TxZHP04]

why no xi?

No room underneath.

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

why no xi?

There is no space for the turbo plumbing, as the axle shaft goes through the required area.

[BadBoostedBmwM3]

There is no space for the turbo plumbing, as the axle shaft goes through the required area.

Nick, Are there any options in the coming future??

[photogenic]

how the hell do you people find the money for these things?

ugh :facepalm: to myself.

Great work here NickG. Great work indeed.

[warlord]

NICKG, i have 2004 325ci with SMG transmission, will your kit work with that ?????

[photogenic]

NICKG, i have 2004 325ci with SMG transmission, will your kit work with that ?????

no tuning yet for 325. it will physically fit and work. but they dont have tuning for it yet.

damn does anyone read threads anymore?

[kidplatinum]

Hey Nick,

How is the ZHP kit coming? I am ready to purchase when you are ready to sell...I am trying to give you my money but I guess you dont want it...LOL!! I will probably go with my own shop to install but I will not count our your shop. Please let me know asap, cuz I have been doing some test driving.......

[m3on20z]

So with some custom piping..theoretically this could work on a 2002 3.0 X5 right? :4ngie:

[WilliamLD]

How does everyone think this will stack up against an E46 M3 or a 335/135?

[parad0x]

How does everyone think this will stack up against an E46 M3 or a 335/135?

NickG mentioned he already did a comparison and the Turbo 330 pulled away from the m3 with just the stage 1.

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

Nick, Are there any options in the coming future??

Regarding the Xi, it's not in the works. I honestly don't see how it could be done considering how the Xi's drivetrain is laid out.

How is the ZHP kit coming? I am ready to purchase when you are ready to sell...

I know Mike :) I'll give you a call as soon as I'm ready to accept your order.

So with some custom piping..theoretically this could work on a 2002 3.0 X5 right?

That's right. I also own a 2002 X5 3.0 and have been contemplating installing a turbo kit on it. That car REALLY needs the added power, especially for highway passing :)

How does everyone think this will stack up against an E46 M3 or a 335/135?

I've taken on an E46 M3 and a 335, and even an E92 M3, and pulled away from all of them :)

[m3on20z]

That's right. I also own a 2002 X5 3.0 and have been contemplating installing a turbo kit on it. That car REALLY needs the added power, especially for highway passing :)

:woot: Please make it! The car has decent power starting off, but you're exactly right; there's NO power to pass at highway speeds. :bow:

I'd gladly be a tester car if you do go ahead and make it. I have ICS Performance locally to install it, and they definitely know what they are doing. :)

Also, after speaking with Samir a while back, he said the X5 auto tranny's are stronger than the E46 tranny's, so they could handle the additional boost? Was there any truth to that?

[whoa_itswee]

Nick... I'd like to make an E46 M3 turbo video......... SOON!!! Spoke to Walker, he said he'll be getting with you this week.

Huy

[4mused]

Darn I got excited but then I saw that it couldnt pass smog :[








Does it have that super sexy turbo whistle? hahhha.

[BMW_Matt]

it doesn't have a BOV so no.

Type in Youtube Technique tuning. :lmao:

[Brian N]

Darn I got excited but then I saw that it couldnt pass smog :[



There are many ways to get around this in Cali. I doubt anything F/I you put on your car would ever be smog legal.

[Mike@F1 Autohaüs]

I've taken on an E46 M3 and a 335, and even an E92 M3, and pulled away from all of them :)
That's what I like to hear :4ngie:

[4mused]

Well he said technically you could fit a bov in here. 6900 though.. wowee with that much i could get started on a sc300 instead >_>

[BimmerDude18]

That's what I like to hear :4ngie:
Yeah, kinda hints that the rated power might not be all the engine has in it :shhh:

[parad0x]

I've taken on an E46 M3 and a 335, and even an E92 M3, and pulled away from all of them :)

I remembered when you mentioned it pulled well on the M3 a few months ago, and I just saw the customers video that was posted which showed just that but wow pulling away from the e92 m3?? :bow:

[4mused]

This gives me hope.. getting sick and tired of the 350z and g35 lining up with me and me sinking into my seat haha.



Im not totally into the power and numbers etc but can it pull from an evo? The owners of those are even more annoying then the above -.-

[SL Blak Soldier]

Sorry if these questions have been asked, but i searched and i didn't SEEM to find anything. :rofl:

...is there no post cat 02 sensor? does that just get tucked away?

and do you guys offer the lower part of the DP that doesn't have a cat in it?

[bmw_chuzo]

Hey Nick,
Can the kit work with euro spec cars? because I don't have post-cat oxygen sensors (I can run catless without CEL's lights on)

[bluejeansonfire]

Hey Nick,
Can the kit work with euro spec cars? because I don't have post-cat oxygen sensors (I can run catless without CEL's lights on)

From my experience with the kit, I don't think it'd be a problem, I'm running no post-cat sensor either, 'cause i'm running no cat.

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

Also, after speaking with Samir a while back, he said the X5 auto tranny's are stronger than the E46 tranny's, so they could handle the additional boost? Was there any truth to that?

Yes, and no.

The early E46 autos used the A5S325 tranny, rated for 325n-M of torque capacity. The later E46 autos (>3/2003) used the A5S390 tranny. The A5S390 is what's used in the 3.0 X5 that you and I have. So at least we do have the stronger of the 2 transmissions :)

Nick... I'd like to make an E46 M3 turbo video......... SOON!!! Spoke to Walker, he said he'll be getting with you this week.

Sounds good :)

...is there no post cat 02 sensor? does that just get tucked away?

and do you guys offer the lower part of the DP that doesn't have a cat in it?

There is a single post O2 sensor that gets installed into the new cat that is supplied with the kit.

The included downpipe ends as a single 3" pipe. The new cat section attaches to the 3" downpipe. Hence, the two are separate and you can do as you please.

Can the kit work with euro spec cars? because I don't have post-cat oxygen sensors (I can run catless without CEL's lights on)

Yes, that's not a problem.

[david05111]

That's right. I also own a 2002 X5 3.0 and have been contemplating installing a turbo kit on it. That car REALLY needs the added power, especially for highway passing :)

Haha should have bought a 4.8 is (god that things a beast)...

This kit is certainly intriguing, I'll have to keep my eyes on it

[techlogik]

Why no boost for the E46 M3 from Technik?

[parad0x]

Why no boost for the E46 M3 from Technik?

Well, all i can say is cross your fingers :4ngie:

and Patience :shhh:

[BimmerDude18]

Why no boost for the E46 M3 from Technik?

I can't say anything regarding your question, but please realize the difference between "technik" and "Technique Tuning." Technik no longer exists, but was a tuning company in California.

[techlogik]

I can't say anything regarding your question, but please realize the difference between "technik" and "Technique Tuning." Technik no longer exists, but was a tuning company in California.

Simple typo...relax...

[4mused]

Approximately how much longer before a 325 version is out? I am not being impatient or pushy I am just wondering :]



In about 2 months I am done paying my dad back for my car so I can either keep it and put this sexy kit on or sell it and buy a SC300 and my friends extra 1jzgte.



Also how much power do you think it would put out?

[BimmerDude18]

Simple typo...relax...

I figured, technik had a lot in the works when they went AWOL, I was clarifying more so if someone searched and was new it would be explained.

I've felt the search pains before.

[A55A55IN]

Wow please make a turbo kit for the S54 for less than 10K.

[zire61]

will there be a kit for Right hand drive models?

[e46_m3]

Sooooo all these >?'S.. :blah:but not the ones i wanna hear... when or around how long till tha zhp kit is out>?? an how much is it going be>?? :4ngie:

[e46_m3]

Sooooo all these >?'S.. :blah:but not the ones i wanna hear... when or around how long till tha zhp kit is out>?? an how much is it going be>?? :4ngie:

stAGe2!!

[BadBoostedBmwM3]

I can't say anything regarding your question, but please realize the difference between "technik" and "Technique Tuning." Technik no longer exists, but was a tuning company in California.

A little OT: BUT, "Technik" was before my day obviously, although I have been on their site... so your saying that don't sell any of their stuff anymore?? So, they are completely closes?? If so, what happened and I wonder why they still have a site???

[BimmerDude18]

A little OT: BUT, "Technik" was before my day obviously, although I have been on their site... so your saying that don't sell any of their stuff anymore?? So, they are completely closes?? If so, what happened and I wonder why they still have a site???

They kindof rolled into AutoTalent (if I'm remembering right). Samir was the owner of Technik (again if remembering right) and he for one reason or another "shut down shop." Autotalent still sells some of the products, but I get the feeling Samir just wanted out.

Either way, they made some nice products, their FI stuff was "ok," but there were some bad things that happened to people because of their disappearance.

[Lexie330ci]

Technik lol, good times....

[BimmerDude18]

Technik lol, good times....

You sure thats the right word :eek:

[02325ci]

Approximately how much longer before a 325 version is out? I am not being impatient or pushy I am just wondering :]



In about 2 months I am done paying my dad back for my car so I can either keep it and put this sexy kit on or sell it and buy a SC300 and my friends extra 1jzgte.



Also how much power do you think it would put out?


I'm also curious about this.

[B33MER]

Nick ... I have a 330i with SSG transmission ... can the kit be installed??? Appreciate if you could answer the question thanks :D

[Novare330]

wow, after riding in julio's (bluejeansonfire) car with raised PSI and cams, this thing is an animal, GREAT kit, i was very impressed, it builds boost so quickly and accelerates completely EFFORTLESSLY :yikes::yikes::yikes: honestly it scared me at times hahaha ive riden in that car before and after the technique tuning kit was installed, and boy, its a whole different breed of animal, very nice kit!

[Brian N]

wow, after riding in julio's (bluejeansonfire) car with raised PSI and cams, this thing is an animal, GREAT kit, i was very impressed, it builds boost so quickly and accelerates completely EFFORTLESSLY :yikes::yikes::yikes: honestly it scared me at times hahaha ive riden in that car before and after the technique tuning kit was installed, and boy, its a whole different breed of animal, very nice kit!

Great to hear kit sounds awesome! When are you going to put your snail in? Or is it still your study buddy? I am pretty sure that thing can draw other curves on a graph that just supply v demand. :rofl:

[BimmerDude18]

I think he's probably going to get started mid march. We've got to put some finishing touches on Julio's car, then it will be time to work on Stan's car.

[Novare330]

Great to hear kit sounds awesome! When are you going to put your snail in? Or is it still your study buddy? I am pretty sure that thing can draw other curves on a graph that just supply v demand. :rofl:

LOL!! how did you know i brought it with me to economics class????

I think he's probably going to get started mid march. We've got to put some finishing touches on Julio's car, then it will be time to work on Stan's car.

we are gonna try to get started this week, would love your help man :) i bought bunch of brand new parts from active today, we shouldnt have an issue now, im pretty sure i have everything

[SL Blak Soldier]

LOL!! how did you know i brought it with me to economics class????




you posted a picture of it sitting in the seat next to you. :dunno:


http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=642615&highlight=

[Novare330]

you posted a picture of it sitting in the seat next to you. :dunno:


http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=642615&highlight=

i know i did lol but i didnt recall mentioning that it was economics class lol...

[kidplatinum]

I got a chance to drive the 330i ZHP (automatic) turbo kit and I was very impressed. I actually was surprised at how strongly it pulled. I know that the boost was at a lower setting than in the manual transmission 330ci that I drove last time...to save the transmission and torqe converter per Nick.

I can not really compare because when I drove the 330ci it was raining...so I did not want to get on it too much. I think all the ZHP owners will be happy... and if you have a manual....ever more so.

[Mstearnsy]

I'm dreaming of adding this to my ZHP too. Up in Ontario we have a "drive clean" BS program, not sure if it's just like Cali's smog, but it measures all the various particulates in your exhaust emissions. Since Nick's kit has a Cat, would the exhaust be as clean as a stock 330s??
Also when will the ZHP kit be available for the public?

[Ron@modbargains]

Impressive congrats on this release Nick.

[Novare330]

Impressive congrats on this release Nick.

shut up RON :confused:

[Ron@modbargains]

shut up RON :confused:

ME :slap: Stan

You need one you know it..:4ngie:

[nikkoo00]

any love in the near future for the xi?

[Dhohn]

any love in the near future for the xi?

That has been covered at least 5 times in this thread. The answer is no, Nick said that because of the all wheel drive layout it would make it almost impossible to squeeze everything. So there will not be a production kit for the xi cards

[BruceWayne]

any news on future stages, stg1.5, stg2

[NaZty NaZe One!]

ive been reading about this kit for a while now and its definetly lookin like it mite replace my abition to buy an active auto product. however i have a question and a comment. id like to buy the kit however im wondering if i can replace some of the parts with say a HKS bypass valve..or some fresher looking pipes. to me its a great kit but it lacks in the cosmetic department...i mean HPF is not only known for their power increases but also for the nice chrome and carbon fiber pieces. i realize this mite add to the price but were talking BMW here we gotta look good. no?

[BimmerDude18]

ive been reading about this kit for a while now and its definetly lookin like it mite replace my abition to buy an active auto product. however i have a question and a comment. id like to buy the kit however im wondering if i can replace some of the parts with say a HKS bypass valve..or some fresher looking pipes. to me its a great kit but it lacks in the cosmetic department...i mean HPF is not only known for their power increases but also for the nice chrome and carbon fiber pieces. i realize this mite add to the price but were talking BMW here we gotta look good. no?
Most of the pipes you can't see, the select few that you can I'm not sure what you would do differently on. All the intake side of the turbo is hidden, the boost pipes are all fairly hidden, except coming up to the manifold, where the MAF sits, and I'm not sure what you would do there.

[NaZty NaZe One!]

yea you are rite about the pipes being hidden forgot to think of that. but im thinking maybe a little bigger. or some kind of logo...a cooler lookin syled manifold. but i dunno its an opinoin i havent seen many pictures of this kit. but i would like to swap out the blow off valve to make it a little more noiser. more umfff

[BimmerDude18]

yea you are rite about the pipes being hidden forgot to think of that. but im thinking maybe a little bigger. or some kind of logo...a cooler lookin syled manifold. but i dunno its an opinoin i havent seen many pictures of this kit. but i would like to swap out the blow off valve to make it a little more noiser. more umfffYou can vent the bypass valve, and I'm sure change it out for a louder one (might have to modify the pipe), larger would be useless.

And a custom intake manifold would likely make the same power or marginally more (or less) and cost a lot more. Its not really necessary.

Superchargers are blingier, but the turbo kit is pretty awesome all around.

[NaZty NaZe One!]

tru tru. yea it really does sound like a great kit. i wanted to do the aa stage 2 twin screw but i couldnt because i have an auto. im thinking of just doing it anyways my trany is under warranty after all but...eh illicit behavior is in the past. or is it...muhahaha

[BimmerDude18]

AA twinscrew no longer exists.

[//Mpower23]

Yeah he is right, It was discontinued. You might be able to find one somewhere. And with your tranny having a warranty, that goes out the door the minute you start putting any mods on. Even with the new act just passed, they can prove that due to increased pressure on the tranny is why it failed or was blown. Go with the TT kit. It is the best option.

[NaZty NaZe One!]

ha damn those insurance companies. their thieves! but yea i know the twin screw was off the market. suck! but i suppose its best to have something reliable but still quick as hell. looks like its tt for now. now time to save up!

[BimmerDude18]

Insurance companies, what?

[//Mpower23]

:facepalm:I was talking about them covering the warranty

[e46craze]

I dont feel like skimmin through all the pages, but I know the ZHP kit is almost finalized...any updates Nick ?

[bluejeansonfire]

I dont feel like skimmin through all the pages, but I know the ZHP kit is almost finalized...any updates Nick ?

I would love to hear the sound of your car with the kit, I'm a fan of the DMS, I'd love to see it. I'm a huge fan of my own exhaust note, but I think I may end up liking yours better....

[e46craze]

^ thanks man! yeah I get compliments all the time with the DMS...and when I tell people its only mid-back, their stunned.

I want to see the ZHP dyno sheet when Nick is done and if its the same price as the regular 330 kit, I will make my decision from there:)

How's the kit running so far for you?

[//Mpower23]

its running almost the same numbers

[BimmerDude18]

its running almost the same numbersThe turbo system is performing great in his car. I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger if I had a non-M E46, especially having seen the amount of support Nick has provided. Nick has shown why he has such an outstanding reputation with E36 OBDII guys, very much like HPF with the E46 M3's, he just has incredible customer service, on top of a great product.

Removed me being an idiot.

[//Mpower23]

I was talking about HP/TQ. I already know the quarter mile numbers

[BimmerDude18]

Sorry, missed where he said he'd like to see a dyno sheet.

I doubt there will be a huge difference, the ZHP really just has slightly better cams, which, should help marginally.

[ritos530i]

Nick G did post this information in the earlier part of this thread. So given the same transmission the zhp makes and estimated 10-20bhp more in power N/A and turbo

[e46craze]

Nick G did post this information in the earlier part of this thread. So given the same transmission the zhp makes and estimated 10-20bhp more in power N/A and turbo

this is what I like to hear....I'm waiting for Nick to chime in....

[Rog323]

damn, I guess I have to sell my car and get a 330

[bluejeansonfire]

damn, I guess I have to sell my car and get a 330

if you get a 330, before you buy the 330, after you sell the 323, you have to sell me your steering wheel

no ms42 tune :cry:
but ms43 is clearly up and epic and ms45 is on its way, and i can guarantee from my own test drive, it's just as good:thumbsup:

[Rog323]

if you get a 330, before you buy the 330, after you sell the 323, you have to sell me your steering wheel

no ms42 tune :cry:
but ms43 is clearly up and epic and ms45 is on its way, and i can guarantee from my own test drive, it's just as good:thumbsup:

Dude I sold the wheel the other day! I had it posted on this site.
maybe I will just buy a new engine for my car :4ngie:

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

this is what I like to hear....I'm waiting for Nick to chime in....

Right now, I just have 6psi results for the automatic tranny ZHP kit (I'm limiting the boost to 6psi for transmission longevity). With that said, on our Mustang MD250 dyno, it puts out 275rwhp. I'm pretty happy with that number, as it compares well with the non-ZHP manual tranny kit, which put out ~278rwhp on a Dynojet.

I'm estimating a manual tranny ZHP to put out 320-330rwhp and at least 300rwft-lbs with the 8.5psi Stage1 kit.

[e46craze]

Right now, I just have 6psi results for the automatic tranny ZHP kit (I'm limiting the boost to 6psi for transmission longevity). With that said, on our Mustang MD250 dyno, it puts out 275rwhp. I'm pretty happy with that number, as it compares well with the non-ZHP manual tranny kit, which put out ~278rwhp on a Dynojet.

I'm estimating a manual tranny ZHP to put out 320-330rwhp and at least 300rwft-lbs with the 8.5psi Stage1 kit.

no etimations lol if those numbers are exact, you may have a buyer for the first ZHP kit:)

[bluejeansonfire]

no etimations lol if those numbers are exact, you may have a buyer for the first ZHP kit:)

i guarantee that the numbers that you receive from Technique Tuning will be the absolute most conservative dyno numbers ever. ess claims more power with their TS2+ cars, but they dont outperform me, they undertrap me by at least several miles per hour.
I drove Nick's auto zhp, short of just turning the boost up on that, I dont know how he'll get absolute numbers. But, I can say this, a manual car will usually have less parasitic power loss, thus make better whp numbers.
A zhp car, from what we've seen from Active's and ESS's dynos, make a bit more power from boost than standard 330s. I can't conceive a way in which your car would dyno under 330whp with the stage 1 kit on a dynojet. My car pulled cars claiming up to 500whp, though really making only 400whp or so, thus this kit is capable, and in my opinion, severely underrated.

[//Mpower23]

Yeah Im buying one asap

[kentrob11]

I'm really starting to like this Bluejeans guy ;-) I'm getting mine in November and all of this talk is making it difficult for me to remain patient! Nick told me this morning that the Stage2 has potential for 380-400whp...wow...Thatwill most likely follow mid next year ;-)

[//Mpower23]

I might be running the first stage three. it will be sick

[bluejeansonfire]

I'm really starting to like this Bluejeans guy ;-)..

thanks
I'm really achin' to see more turbo e46nonMs, good luck with your setup

I might be running the first stage two. it will be sick

so you're not going to build your motor at first? stage i and ii are so similar, I would make a progression of it. Sure, stage ii allows for a lot more power, but it is an easy upgrade from stage i, it's just a head gasket, a tune, and a twist of the boost controller. Stage iii is what I thought you were going to start with, a built motor.

[bluejeansonfire]

I might be running the first stage three. it will be sick

thanks for the clarifying edit
it will be sick
and you'll be the first if you get your motor running before mine

[//Mpower23]

yeah im pricing everything out and just awaiting the quote

[glass330]

May I ask some questions? What is TT's stance on installing turbo's with 100k already on the engine? I feel that my car is fine and could take it, but I can't speak for longevity. Simply because I always expect the unexpected. Please don't flame I'm just curious if TT had a rule of thumb about what they consider high mileage. Also if the answer is "prolly not the best idea" i could always sell and upgrade to an M3 about the same price. But who wouldn't love a turbo 4 door. Unique!!

[bluejeansonfire]

May I ask some questions? What is TT's stance on installing turbo's with 100k already on the engine? I feel that my car is fine and could take it, but I can't speak for longevity. Simply because I always expect the unexpected. Please don't flame I'm just curious if TT had a rule of thumb about what they consider high mileage. Also if the answer is "prolly not the best idea" i could always sell and upgrade to an M3 about the same price. But who wouldn't love a turbo 4 door. Unique!!

I'm not affiliated with TT, I'm just a customer, so this isn't their advice, it's mine. Start with a compression test on all cylinders. If one seems short, do a leakdown test. Depending on the life of the motor, I think it could potentially be fine.

[glass330]

thanks for the response, i would assume other have to be wondering the same thing since this is for the OG's car, that being pre-face e46's

[e46craze]

Right now, I just have 6psi results for the automatic tranny ZHP kit (I'm limiting the boost to 6psi for transmission longevity). With that said, on our Mustang MD250 dyno, it puts out 275rwhp. I'm pretty happy with that number, as it compares well with the non-ZHP manual tranny kit, which put out ~278rwhp on a Dynojet.

I'm estimating a manual tranny ZHP to put out 320-330rwhp and at least 300rwft-lbs with the 8.5psi Stage1 kit.

Nick do you know the cost of the Stage 1 ZHP application ?

[//Mpower23]

Its around the same price I believe.

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

Nick do you know the cost of the Stage 1 ZHP application ?

Yes, all stage1 manual tranny kits (ZHP and non-ZHP) are $6900. The automatic kits are $7200 because we also include a new electric puller fan for mounting behind the radiator (which the manual cars already have from the factory).

[e46craze]

sorry for all the questions but when do you think you will have the real numbers posted for the ZHP? don't get me wrong I'm not pre-judging your kit and I'm sure its powerful but 6900 is a good chunk of money to be dropping and just want to make sure that I'm making the right purchasing decision:)

I know there will be stage I-III but is stage I and II upgradeable in the future or no?

[kentrob11]

I've got a 130K on my motor so I'll be doing the compression/leakdown tests first....If the results aren't what I want then I'll do cams while I'm fixing it :-)

[e46craze]

Yes, all stage1 manual tranny kits (ZHP and non-ZHP) are $6900. The automatic kits are $7200 because we also include a new electric puller fan for mounting behind the radiator (which the manual cars already have from the factory).

running a turbo application vs S/C would obviously put more strain on other parts? What else would I have to replace to ensure that my car is running proper all around ?

[ritos530i]

Come on guys Nick G has answered all the questions twice in this thread.
Stage I is base kit
Stage II is Base kit add thicker head gasket .140 (lowers compression) Methanol/Water injection
Stage III is all the above and built motor TBD
ZHP with automatic gets new electric puller fan and manual already has this.

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

Come on guys Nick G has answered all the questions twice in this thread.
Stage I is base kit
Stage II is Base kit add thicker head gasket .140 (lowers compression) Methanol/Water injection
Stage III is all the above and built motor TBD
ZHP with automatic gets new electric puller fan and manual already has this.

Thanks Rito, but I have to correct you on some items:

Stage2 will use a thicker head gasket, but the thickness is TBD, and NO water/meth injection needed
Stage3 will use a built motor, but we have no plans yet to 'market' this kit as a mail order offering. We'll see how it goes and decide from there.
ALL automatic kits (not just ZHP) will come with an electric puller fan.

[ritos530i]

Thanks Rito, but I have to correct you on some items:

Stage2 will use a thicker head gasket, but the thickness is TBD, and NO water/meth injection needed
Stage3 will use a built motor, but we have no plans yet to 'market' this kit as a mail order offering. We'll see how it goes and decide from there.
ALL automatic kits (not just ZHP) will come with an electric puller fan.

Oh great, it's all spelled out now so now these guys can make a decision which kit they want and send a credit card number. :str8pimpi

This is a good kit with the best tuner behind it so I really don't see what's the hold up. When you think about it, the price is very fair in comparison with others. Had this been offered when i first started there is no way i would have past this up.
Nick G could have said i am not doing anything for the M54B30 guys but he didn't and no other vendor is even considering this. Now is your chance to put the M54B30 on the map which this should be selling like HOT CAKES

[bluejeansonfire]

running a turbo application vs S/C would obviously put more strain on other parts? What else would I have to replace to ensure that my car is running proper all around ?

I don't believe this to be so.
Superchargers add a lot of stress in getting driven from the crankshaft and put stress on the entire pulley drive system. This does not stop at the crankshaft, the drag and the extra power that must be developed that is directly lost in parasitic loss of the belt system causes a lot of stress. On the same hand, s/c also gets far worse gas mileage.
This is in large part why s/c systems aren't as efficient as turbos and it usually takes more psi to make the same power, and it'll only be experienced at redline.

I think that the stage 1 kit can be installed on a fully stock car, with the same things you would do to a NA car. Nick's blue 330ci is a testament to the factory clutch's strength, it holds.

[ritos530i]

Right on

[//Mpower23]

:woot:Just received the news. My build is a go

[e46craze]

^ congrats your going with stage III right ?

I see your in albany, we def have to meet up so you can take me for a ride...lol

please tell me yours is a manual

[NaZty NaZe One!]

stage 3? i thought the guys at tt said they didnt know if they would produce the stage 3. how much is it btw (stage 3)?

[bluejeansonfire]

stage 3? i thought the guys at tt said they didnt know if they would produce the stage 3. how much is it btw (stage 3)?

I think what Nick said is that he wasn't sure if Technique Tuning was going to offer a stage iii as a kit.

I am building my engine myself. JB racing is doing all of the machine work.
///Mpower23 has said he is having his motor built through Mike Radowsky at MaximumPSI

[slo325i]

Is there an estimated time frame on the 325 tune to be completed? I am very interested!! I am in Iraq right now with about 5 months left til i get back, its either a M3 swap or TT setup (yup its the deployment money for upgrades :clap:). From what I've been reading, I would rather go with the TT setup, plus I'm from Jax (Not too far of a drive).

And is there a military discount? haha just kidding!!!

Def. subscribing to this post! Thanks for all the hard work!!!

[slo325i]

i forgot to ask too,...how much are you guys charging for install?

[silv3rstr3ak]

i wanna do this soon!

[//Mpower23]

bluejeanson, its Radowski lol

[e46Bermann]

Hello guys, few questions.

for many it is no secret that there are several 330i, ci blowing from 10.5 to 14.5, psi, and we know that is not a secret that the M54B30 engine, are stronger than usual, actually goes with my engine an AA kit, with a C38-71, blowing more than 10 psi and goes like clockwork, my question is: if it is possible to put this turbo blow to 14.5 psi, "the software you offer? if your software is efficient as possible before the peak pressure blowing?, how-inch in diameter would make a perfect line? be controlled with a blow APEXI? is compatible with your software?.

[ritos530i]

Hello guys, few questions.

for many it is no secret that there are several 330i, ci blowing from 10.5 to 14.5, psi, and we know that is not a secret that the M54B30 engine, are stronger than usual, actually goes with my engine an AA kit, with a C38-71, blowing more than 10 psi and goes like clockwork, my question is: if it is possible to put this turbo blow to 14.5 psi, "the software you offer? if your software is efficient as possible before the peak pressure blowing?, how-inch in diameter would make a perfect line? be controlled with a blow APEXI? is compatible with your software?.

Are you asking if you switched to turbo is there anyway to run up to 14psi and if so what are the tuning source?
Please clarify what you are asking as it seems really confusing. Hopefully someone will understand what you are asking as i am just lost right now.

[bluejeansonfire]

Hello guys, few questions.

for many it is no secret that there are several 330i, ci blowing from 10.5 to 14.5, psi, and we know that is not a secret that the M54B30 engine, are stronger than usual, actually goes with my engine an AA kit, with a C38-71, blowing more than 10 psi and goes like clockwork, my question is: if it is possible to put this turbo blow to 14.5 psi, "the software you offer? if your software is efficient as possible before the peak pressure blowing?, how-inch in diameter would make a perfect line? be controlled with a blow APEXI? is compatible with your software?.

I think stage ii TT will accomplish what I think you're asking, it should run about that boost range ~14psi.
M54 strong?

[//Mpower23]

In order for a blower to push 14.5 PSI, the engine has to be built. I have talked with Samir and ESS. With the TT turbo you might be able to push around 10-13 PS(just guessing please do not quote me)I. All i know is that we are going to be pushing above 14psi on the stage 3 build.

[bluejeansonfire]

In order for a blower to push 14.5 PSI, the engine has to be built. I have talked with Samir and ESS. With the TT turbo you might be able to push around 10-13 PS(just guessing please do not quote me)I. All i know is that we are going to be pushing above 14psi on the stage 3 build.

David pushes 14.7psi on a s/c from active on a stock motor with over 200,000 miles. He replaces normal wear parts at normal wear rates. No issues.
Blower design is complex and your above statement is dependent on it. A stock engine can power a blower to push any psi as long as it is spoolable before redline, without being built. The issue is holding together.

With the TT stock turbo, I have pushed up to 12 with tremendously positive outcomes with my stock engine. I would not do this without methanol.

I personally believe that well over 14psi can be pushed on an unbuilt head-gasket compression drop, otherwise stock motor. I t just isn't as strong, though it could be as reliable. Look at the e36 world. Have you seen the amount of power those guys make on stock engines and headgaskets? or just stock engines....

[ritos530i]

David pushes 14.7psi on a s/c from active on a stock motor with over 200,000 miles. He replaces normal wear parts at normal wear rates. No issues.
Blower design is complex and your above statement is dependent on it. A stock engine can power a blower to push any psi as long as it is spoolable before redline, without being built. The issue is holding together.

With the TT stock turbo, I have pushed up to 12 with tremendously positive outcomes with my stock engine. I would not do this without methanol.

I personally believe that well over 14psi can be pushed on an unbuilt head-gasket compression drop, otherwise stock motor. I t just isn't as strong, though it could be as reliable. Look at the e36 world. Have you seen the amount of power those guys make on stock engines and headgaskets? or just stock engines....

Hey have you decided which head studs you are going to use?
I ask because I don't believe the standard Head studs are going to hold up and that maybe people should consider the ARP2000 or L19 from the start. HPF have had experience lifting the head with ARP2000 so they upgraded to L19s Not sure on the specs for our motor but this is an option I believe i will have to run if i want to keep the head down.
Let me know your thoughts and your plans for your build
Rito

[325rider]

David pushes 14.7psi on a s/c from active on a stock motor with over 200,000 miles. He replaces normal wear parts at normal wear rates. No issues.
Blower design is complex and your above statement is dependent on it. A stock engine can power a blower to push any psi as long as it is spoolable before redline, without being built. The issue is holding together.

With the TT stock turbo, I have pushed up to 12 with tremendously positive outcomes with my stock engine. I would not do this without methanol.

I personally believe that well over 14psi can be pushed on an unbuilt head-gasket compression drop, otherwise stock motor. I t just isn't as strong, though it could be as reliable. Look at the e36 world. Have you seen the amount of power those guys make on stock engines and headgaskets? or just stock engines....

I don't know much about SC/TT set-ups. BUT, I can attest to these statements and agree with the e36 info. David runs HIGH boost with a stock motor and she handles it amazingly well.

[//Mpower23]

:woot:All i know is that my build is a go and we are going to put out some amazing numbers

[BimmerDude18]

Hey have you decided which head studs you are going to use?
I ask because I don't believe the standard Head studs are going to hold up and that maybe people should consider the ARP2000 or L19 from the start. HPF have had experience lifting the head with ARP2000 so they upgraded to L19s Not sure on the specs for our motor but this is an option I believe i will have to run if i want to keep the head down.
Let me know your thoughts and your plans for your build
Rito

The ARP2000's don't get the full thread engagement of the stock head bolts. Although Julio is going to upgrade the bolts, I'm 99% sure they won't be ARP hardware.

I was speaking with Jim Higg's about the main studs as well, and he mentioned that running main studs with more thread engagement was also not a bad idea.

[ritos530i]

The ARP2000's don't get the full thread engagement of the stock head bolts. Although Julio is going to upgrade the bolts, I'm 99% sure they won't be ARP hardware.

I was speaking with Jim Higg's about the main studs as well, and he mentioned that running main studs with more thread engagement was also not a bad idea.

Interesting. I currently have ARP studs the standard ones and wanted something that will keep the head down once i start upping the boost.
I mean i already tried upping the boost and felt like the head was lifting then because it doesn't do it all the time. Only when i try and run 14+psi so i keep backing it back down the last i drove the car. I haven't driven the car since because i don't want to screw anything up until i get someone to check my specs out.

[BimmerDude18]

Interesting. I currently have ARP studs the standard ones and wanted something that will keep the head down once i start upping the boost.
I mean i already tried upping the boost and felt like the head was lifting then because it doesn't do it all the time. Only when i try and run 14+psi so i keep backing it back down the last i drove the car. I haven't driven the car since because i don't want to screw anything up until i get someone to check my specs out.We can go to PM if you like (Julio can answer this better than me probably as well), but the key is thread engagement. You want to run as long of a bolt as you can, and additionally, want to run as long a timesert (or similar) as you can to help add some strength. This is what Julio is doing, and its what is done commonly as a fix for stripped head bolts on M5x aluminum rebuilds.

[//Mpower23]

Bimmer, do you want me to find out exactly what is going to be used in the build?

[BimmerDude18]

I'd be interested to see how your components compare with Julio's, but its not a big deal to me.

Mike knows what he's doing (and currently has a great price on injectors if anyone needs some) so I'm sure it will end up being very similar to Julio's build. There are only so many options.

[//Mpower23]

Yeah we are using top notch injectors. ill let you know

[e46Bermann]

Are you asking if you switched to turbo is there anyway to run up to 14psi and if so what are the tuning source?
Please clarify what you are asking as it seems really confusing. Hopefully someone will understand what you are asking as i am just lost right now.

Sorry for not able to tell,,,, but it is well that the M54B30 engine is hard and resist re blown over 14 psi.



so I think that blowing a turbo kit with a 14.5 or 15PSI injection of methanol, in my opinion, it would be lethal weapon, which I love his reaction.

[e46Bermann]

I think stage ii TT will accomplish what I think you're asking, it should run about that boost range ~14psi.
M54 strong?

Forgive my ways.

Well I understand you sell a stage II?. I could talk about the STG II

I wonder if we could control the blow with an example: APEXi?.

It was the first hand M54B30 engines are strong, so if you decide for your KIT TURBO, like blowing over the 14 psi, as I said the first is injected methanol.

Its control software as the peaks?


this is my mail e46berman@hotmail.com can send more info, detailed, if you like, thanks.

[bluejeansonfire]

Interesting. I currently have ARP studs the standard ones and wanted something that will keep the head down once i start upping the boost.
I mean i already tried upping the boost and felt like the head was lifting then because it doesn't do it all the time. Only when i try and run 14+psi so i keep backing it back down the last i drove the car. I haven't driven the car since because i don't want to screw anything up until i get someone to check my specs out.

I don't want to run arp studs as they are the same length as m5x type, m52tu/m54 have longer thread engagement than the cast iron blocks. The issue with ARP is that they sell studs too short for our blocks. I think raceware makes full length studs. Regardless, I'm not using either, Jim is spec'ing me some long, long reusable head bolts to thread into some new material he will be putting into my block. And like the idea of timeserts, my hardware will thread past the furthest engagement point of the new insert- mine into otherwise uncharted territory.


Forgive my ways.

Well I understand you sell a stage II?. I could talk about the STG II

I wonder if we could control the blow with an example: APEXi?.

It was the first hand M54B30 engines are strong, so if you decide for your KIT TURBO, like blowing over the 14 psi, as I said the first is injected methanol.

Its control software as the peaks?


this is my mail e46berman@hotmail.com can send more info, detailed, if you like, thanks.

I think I understand some of this. I wish I spoke spanish so we could communicate better, no chance you speak portuguese?

BTW, I'm a customer, I sell nothing.

An apexi boost controller would work. I use a Greddy, it works well. The apexi is usually more high-feature.

A different tune would be necessary for stage ii, but the same way my tune adjusts to run several different boost levels and i ran 12psi on the 6-8.5psi base tune. And shot meth.

My future setup will see 15psi as low boost, no meth.

[e46Bermann]

I don't want to run arp studs as they are the same length as m5x type, m52tu/m54 have longer thread engagement than the cast iron blocks. The issue with ARP is that they sell studs too short for our blocks. I think raceware makes full length studs. Regardless, I'm not using either, Jim is spec'ing me some long, long reusable head bolts to thread into some new material he will be putting into my block. And like the idea of timeserts, my hardware will thread past the furthest engagement point of the new insert- mine into otherwise uncharted territory.




I think I understand some of this. I wish I spoke spanish so we could communicate better, no chance you speak portuguese?

BTW, I'm a customer, I sell nothing.

An apexi boost controller would work. I use a Greddy, it works well. The apexi is usually more high-feature.

A different tune would be necessary for stage ii, but the same way my tune adjusts to run several different boost levels and i ran 12psi on the 6-8.5psi base tune. And shot meth.

My future setup will see 15psi as low boost, no meth.

Sorry I was wrong, but thanks for sharing, greetings.

[e46Bermann]

Thanks Rito, but I have to correct you on some items:

Stage2 will use a thicker head gasket, but the thickness is TBD, and NO water/meth injection needed
Stage3 will use a built motor, but we have no plans yet to 'market' this kit as a mail order offering. We'll see how it goes and decide from there.
ALL automatic kits (not just ZHP) will come with an electric puller fan.

Hi I am interested in finding out prices and all the info on your STAGEII.

using water / methanol injected, it is important to see if it's blowing up the pressure

In Stage II kit that can blow 14 to 15 psi?

It is possible to use external controllers blown example Greddy or Apexi?

date of sale?
all information may be sent to e46berman@hotmail.com



thanks.

[//Mpower23]

You can use either controller, but it is recommended to use a GReddy one.

[swervin09]

Man......I am torn. I recently saved up to buy the ESS TS2 and after reading this entire forum and researching the TURBO v. SC comparisons I don't know which road to take. HELP

[phrozen06]

You can't loose either way. HPF did Technique Tuning a big favor when they decided to scrap their turbo plans for the E46 non-///M's. Now they have the non-///M turbo market for themselves now.

[ritos530i]

I don't want to run arp studs as they are the same length as m5x type, m52tu/m54 have longer thread engagement than the cast iron blocks. The issue with ARP is that they sell studs too short for our blocks. I think raceware makes full length studs. Regardless, I'm not using either, Jim is spec'ing me some long, long reusable head bolts to thread into some new material he will be putting into my block. And like the idea of timeserts, my hardware will thread past the furthest engagement point of the new insert- mine into otherwise uncharted territory.


I think I understand some of this. I wish I spoke spanish so we could communicate better, no chance you speak portuguese?

BTW, I'm a customer, I sell nothing.

An apexi boost controller would work. I use a Greddy, it works well. The apexi is usually more high-feature.

A different tune would be necessary for stage ii, but the same way my tune adjusts to run several different boost levels and i ran 12psi on the 6-8.5psi base tune. And shot meth.

My future setup will see 15psi as low boost, no meth.

Well, I am not sure the spec's on my ARP Studs but i know they were custom to my build. They used the standard Main bolts for the motor and for the head ARP studs(standard) My motor was built over a year and half ago and new information is still coming out what works best. I could be wrong about my Head because it looks like coolant is coming out from the expansion tank either through the cap or the over flow adapter on the tank. I just want to have things check out before i push more boost to the motor. It cost a lot of money for my build as i had everything done to include flow testing the head after porting and polishing with supertech valve job. I am so scared to risk all that so very interested how yours hold up after you are done. Be sure to get the specs and torquing on your studs once done so I can compare what was done with mine if yours holds up.
Thanks

[//Mpower23]

Go TT. Its the best product for your dollar, or period for that matter

[ritos530i]

Man......I am torn. I recently saved up to buy the ESS TS2 and after reading this entire forum and researching the TURBO v. SC comparisons I don't know which road to take. HELP

You need to test drive both cars to see what works best for you. I drove cars with nitrous, superchargers and turbos and there is no way after driving a turbo car i would want a supercharger twin screwed or not.

I am surprise you are not on the phone with Nick G making a order by now. Don't get me wrong I love the TS out of all the superchargers but when comparing turbos to Twin superchargers it's a no brainer. I don't know your driving habits and what you expect once on the throttle so test driving the two would help with making your mind up.

[aggieE46]

Turbo :)

Man......I am torn. I recently saved up to buy the ESS TS2 and after reading this entire forum and researching the TURBO v. SC comparisons I don't know which road to take. HELP

[BimmerDude18]

Turbo, fuel economy alone would be worth it, but the extra power doesn't hurt.

[//Mpower23]

I think we need to give a +1 to Nick for this kit guys. Unbelievable gains and daily drivability.

[dennymedeiros]

I think we need to give a +1 to Nick for this kit guys. Unbelievable gains and daily drivability.

I used to be a Supercharger kind of guy...Roost type/Twinscrew all the way. BUT the power that NickG turbo is giving out...WELL...if I had the money or time my money would be in NICKG hands...so +1 from me too for a quality and powerfull kit.

[bluejeansonfire]

To Nick, :thanks: +http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/d/2/4/d245777abca64ece2d5d7ca0d19fddb6.png from me (that's how many times I count as the first fanatic to own it :rofl:)

[M3ILLA]

Questions,

1 Where would one buy Forged 330ci rods/pistons? Im looking for 8:1 or 9:1 compression ratio.
2 What are the specs of the turbo, (wheel measurement,exhaust side, whp rating, ext)
3 If I chose to keep my lump stock would the theoretical stage stage II meet my goal of 400-420whp with charge cooling? (meth/alcohol)
4 more important than question 3, would an otherwise stock 330ci with a full 3" be able to trap 118-122mph with stage II?

Much thanks mate

[//Mpower23]

M3ILLA. Stage 3 is 450 at the wheels. Im sure that what you are looking for can be accomplished

[bluejeansonfire]

Questions,

1 Where would one buy Forged 330ci rods/pistons? Im looking for 8:1 or 9:1 compression ratio.


VAC motorsports definetly has pistons for the m54. however, keep in mind that the m54 is very similar to the highly popular 3.0L "frankenstein" engined e36 cars. Which are m52 blocks 84mm bore (like the e46 330 m54b30), with either the m54b30 or s52 crank...which share parts numbers. Do you see where I'm going with this? ... the deck is the same height ...etc, etc, etc.


2 What are the specs of the turbo, (wheel measurement,exhaust side, whp rating, ext)


60 trim t3/t4... i don't know exact specs beyond that, NickG would be the one to answer that. Spool-up is 2500-2800 in third gear.


3 If I chose to keep my lump stock would the theoretical stage stage II meet my goal of 400-420whp with charge cooling? (meth/alcohol)

Stock is relative, american v8 guys with 1/4in. larger valves and a huge cam sometimes call their stuff stock. Stage 2, I'm fairly certain runs a head gasket.
I don't think we'll know fr sure exact numbers until it is produced. I think theoretically, it is possible to get to those numbers.


4 more important than question 3, would an otherwise stock 330ci with a full 3" be able to trap 118-122mph with stage II?

Much thanks mate

I got a 110.9mph trap on stage 1 with 7psi of boost, on no boost controller on a performance box. I replicated that trap several times (110+), never touching 111. But that was really low boost. Keep in mind my car has a lot of other supporting mods. I think a stage 2 pushing the stage as far as I did stage 1 with meth could maybe hit 118 (when my meth was working right, i pulled on a car that supposedly was trapping in the 113s). I think that a stock car with stage 2 will be a bit slower. the s/c e46m3 guys that make 450+whp are hardly trapping those speeds. The fastest n54 cars (that are not reliable imo) are hardly getting there too. Stage 3 should get you there, easily.

[docwyte]

DLSJ5 was trapping 123-125 with a E46 M3 VF stage 2...

[SKIPPY PB]

what are the numbers for a 325?

[Activ3]

DLSJ5 was trapping 123-125 with a E46 M3 VF stage 2...
Jerry (JMweb), Vik (tazam3), Loren (Saintly), etc. have all posted trap times of 125+mph. However, none of them had a stock car with a bolt on kit.

I can vouch for the TT kit having potential for sure. My car traps 110-111mph consistently, and at one point when Julio was hitting double digit boost numbers and meth, he was walking me on the highway (I'd say good for at least a 113-114mph trap speed). I'm sure that 450whp will get you to at least a 118mph trap.

[Rooz]

I remembered when you mentioned it pulled well on the M3 a few months ago, and I just saw the customers video that was posted which showed just that but wow pulling away from the e92 m3?? :bow:

Link to that video?

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

Link to that video?

Unfortunately, that's wasn't a scheduled event. It was an "oh, look what's stopped at this light" sorta thing, so no video of it.

[Rooz]

Unfortunately, that's wasn't a scheduled event. It was an "oh, look what's stopped at this light" sorta thing, so no video of it.

I take your word for it, but that would put a smile on my face to see that in person. But I can tell you this, when this turbo goes on my car you'll have vids of this event :craig:

[eurotekm3]

anybody do a built motor with GT35R turbo upgrade yet ?

[bmwclubsport]

Does anyone know if any kits will clear the steering rack on rhd euro cars? I'm really interested in converting my 330ci, but need this info first.

[bluejeansonfire]

Does anyone know if any kits will clear the steering rack on rhd euro cars? I'm really interested in converting my 330ci, but need this info first.

I'm quiet certain this kit will not clear the RHD steering column, or even come close. I base this on my experience on inspecting a RHD e46 and having installed this kit on my car.
RHD makes exhaust-side mods impossibly difficult.

Japanese cars make good RHD turbo cars as they often flip the intake/exhaust configuration, thus putting the exhaust on the left side of the car, where the is no interference with steering.

[toastygt30r]

I am going to order the kit for my car when I get my next tax returns. I was going to get the AA stage 1 kit, but having my old turbo drag car it's really hard to stay away from turbo.

Nick...also can you order the kit with the BOV. Really love the sound..thanks

[Rooz]

I've taken on an E46 M3 and a 335, and even an E92 M3, and pulled away from all of them :)

So, as far as power delivery, would this kit make my car feel like a 335, just stronger?

[bluejeansonfire]

So, as far as power delivery, would this kit make my car feel like a 335, just stronger?

well, better, 335 turbos are inefficient above 5000rpm, and viciously torquy beneath it.

The TT setup has much better top end

EDIT: I need to add that this car severely destroyed every 335i I have ever raced, and that was 4. One of which had a "processor", 1 of which had a JB3, and 2 of which were stock, 1 auto, 1 manual. Both the stock cars might as well have been NA. The JB3, I hardly pulled on, it in fact was really close, but their tiny turbos kill them despite 15psi of boost. The "Processor" car, never told me what he had, he called it a "processor", I also didn't pull over two cars from 60-120.

I wanted to run against a guy with a 135i with a jb3, but he refused me. Though I think he would have taken me, I don't think it would have been by much.

Granted, I was running more boost and meth, but I ran the 335i at 8psi and it was still very, very significant.

[BMW_Matt]

well, better, 335 turbos are inefficient above 5000rpm, and viciously torquy beneath it.

The TT setup has much better top end

Which is why Dinan and the factory BMW ECU cuts boost after 5800 IIRC

[Rooz]

well, better, 335 turbos are inefficient above 5000rpm, and viciously torquy beneath it.

The TT setup has much better top end

EDIT: I need to add that this car severely destroyed every 335i I have ever raced, and that was 4. One of which had a "processor", 1 of which had a JB3, and 2 of which were stock, 1 auto, 1 manual. Both the stock cars might as well have been NA. The JB3, I hardly pulled on, it in fact was really close, but their tiny turbos kill them despite 15psi of boost. The "Processor" car, never told me what he had, he called it a "processor", I also didn't pull over two cars from 60-120.

I wanted to run against a guy with a 135i with a jb3, but he refused me. Though I think he would have taken me, I don't think it would have been by much.

Granted, I was running more boost and meth, but I ran the 335i at 8psi and it was still very, very significant.


How would you say the 335 compares pre 5k rpm to TT 330? (sorry just trying to get a feel for this kit as I get to drive 335's quite often)

[bluejeansonfire]

How would you say the 335 compares pre 5k rpm to TT 330? (sorry just trying to get a feel for this kit as I get to drive 335's quite often)

from 2600, the TT kit pulls much harder, under that, not so much. But who's realistically trying to pull anything under 3krpm?

[BimmerDude18]

On low boost even from 3000 rpm's the TT was pulling harder than the 335, not super significantly, but a visible amount.

[Rooz]

Wow, can't wait to have this kit on the car :D

By the way Julio, I was talking to David from AA about the Water/Alcohol system, I'm pretty sure I'll run it as well, probably have it set at 7psi and get with Nick for the rpm based controller for anything higher than 7psi, any thoughts?

[bluejeansonfire]

Wow, can't wait to have this kit on the car :D

By the way Julio, I was talking to David from AA about the Water/Alcohol system, I'm pretty sure I'll run it as well, probably have it set at 7psi and get with Nick for the rpm based controller for anything higher than 7psi, any thoughts?

Well, while that would be non progressive, it would work. My setup was always progressive. You'll be spraying the same amount from 3000rpm to redline. Which also means you cant spray much or you'll misfire lower in the rpm range.

If you want a solid system for injection, for which is more than just safety to put you in a situation you rely on the injection for tuning, I would look for better options with fail-safes.

Sadly, these options aren't very cost effective. FJO has a product I'm very interested in from alamomotorsports.com

Aquamyst also has a number of offerings, I believe the HFS6 is the current rangetopper.

I have run a labonte motorsports injection controller in the past, but I refuse to use their product from all the failures i have experienced with it.

[Rooz]

Well, while that would be non progressive, it would work. My setup was always progressive. You'll be spraying the same amount from 3000rpm to redline. Which also means you cant spray much or you'll misfire lower in the rpm range.

If you want a solid system for injection, for which is more than just safety to put you in a situation you rely on the injection for tuning, I would look for better options with fail-safes.

Sadly, these options aren't very cost effective. FJO has a product I'm very interested in from alamomotorsports.com

Aquamyst also has a number of offerings, I believe the HFS6 is the current rangetopper.

I have run a labonte motorsports injection controller in the past, but I refuse to use their product from all the failures i have experienced with it.

I might be missing a point here but how is that non progressive? The system would not turn on until 7 psi, and when it is on it would be based on rpm's with Nick's controller unit. Or am I mis-understanding it?

[bluejeansonfire]

I might be missing a point here but how is that non progressive? The system would not turn on until 7 psi, and when it is on it would be based on rpm's with Nick's controller unit. Or am I mis-understanding it?

nick has not announced a controller that i know of. maybe im missing something. But if it's triggered solely by 7psi, you'd hit that at 2800rpm. The labonte box i used based its control on MAF readings, but it messed with the signal.

[Rooz]

Julio, don't hate me but I was having in mind of doing this with a boost controller unit, so running at 6.5 for dd until I change the boost up

[bluejeansonfire]

Julio, don't hate me but I was having in mind of doing this with a boost controller unit, so running at 6.5 for dd until I change the boost up

i use a boost controller as well, in fact, i have two. I only run one though.

I use the Greddy that nick recommends. It works very well.

The cool thing about the FJO setup is that the boost controller is built-in to the controller, you just buy the wastegate solenoid. and if it notices a fault in the system, it drops boost. My low boost was always 8.5+psi. With progressive methanol i boosted 11.5-12psi.

[bigabe]

Methanol injection is something I have zero familiarity with. I suppose I should just search around here and see if somebody has posted up some basic info on it. Is it a safe thing to do to an unbuilt M54? As long as it's done right of course....

[Rooz]

Ok, so do you see what am trying to do here? below 7psi, no water/alcohol injection, anything past 7psi would be rpm based. At least that to me sounded good, but I could be wrong as am not very knowledgeable on this

PS: I just want this as a safety precaution of boosting the car

[bluejeansonfire]

Ok, so do you see what am trying to do here? below 7psi, no water/alcohol injection, anything past 7psi would be rpm based. At least that to me sounded good, but I could be wrong as am not very knowledgeable on this

PS: I just want this as a safety precaution of boosting the car

8.5psi is really safe... REALLY SAFE, Im not sure how to emphasize this enough. If that's all you plan to run, then you're just complicating life by trying to add meth/water. If you want to run more boost, use a solid system, that you can trust, with a failsafe.

i don't know what magic you intend to use to base your boost by rpm... what product do you intend to use to control your meth/water pump?
What system do you plan to control meth injection after the 7psi switch is triggered?

I mean, that's a double trigger setup that nick suggested i use, that i did use, and intend to continue doing so, but all with one system.

[Rooz]

8.5psi is really safe... REALLY SAFE, Im not sure how to emphasize this enough. If that's all you plan to run, then you're just complicating life by trying to add meth/water. If you want to run more boost, use a solid system, that you can trust, with a failsafe.

i don't know what magic you intend to use to base your boost by rpm... what product do you intend to use to control your meth/water pump?
What system do you plan to control meth injection after the 7psi switch is triggered?

I mean, that's a double trigger setup that nick suggested i use, that i did use, and intend to continue doing so, but all with one system.

I'm talking about the same trigger system that Nick sugested to you, at least per David at Activ it's the same system

[BimmerDude18]

Julio, the FJO can run on RPM I believe, I know it can run on injector duty cycle.

Rooz - basically, you'll want a system that works based off of injector duty cycle (maybe more). The FJO as I understand it will come on based on boost (measured with an onboard MAP sensor) and then be progressive based on injector duty cycle (or some other parameters). Its programmable but you can run 20% of the fuel flow as meth, meaning that 1/6 of the "liquid" you are spraying is water/meth, so roughly 6-7% of the actual fuel you are burning (in terms of energy) would be meth. This is hugely advantageous.

The FJO also allows you to tie in their wideband system, and "target" AFR readings, if the AFR's are out of range, it dumps boost, as well as if the meth system runs dry, or the pump fails (for whatever reason).

For the money, the FJO stuff is worth it, but if you aren't going to push over 8.5 psi, you don't need it.

[bluejeansonfire]

I'm talking about the same trigger system that Nick sugested to you, at least per David at Activ it's the same system

the double trigger idea is based on the collaboration of a controller that uses some input to progressively spray meth in conjunction with a simple boost-based switch. So, after you reach a certain boost, the switch turns on the controller.

So when you're in the low boost setting, you never see meth. When you switch to high boost, the boost switch switches itself when it notices the level at which it is set and turns on the controller.

I used the failed labonte controller, now i'm going to the all-inclusive FJO, that is fully programmable on every level by a usb.
What controller do you plan to use?

[Rooz]

Is this what you two are talking about?

>>>>>>FJO Kit? (http://www.fjoracing.com/products/waterinjection/parts.php)<<<<<<

[bluejeansonfire]

FJO has a product I'm very interested in from alamomotorsports.com

Is this what you two are talking about?

>>>>>>FJO Kit? (http://www.fjoracing.com/products/waterinjection/parts.php)<<<<<<

No, that part setup has been out of production for some time. When I asked why it was still up, they said b/c a few retailers still had it in stock, but that they dont have any.

The only retailer selling the new, and only current production FJO setup is alamotorsports.com. The actual product -> FJO meth kit (http://www.alamomotorsports.com/FJO/waterinjection.html)

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

I'd like to reiterate something that was already stated.......

With our Stage1 8.5psi bolt-on kit, water/alcohol injection is NOT needed. The system runs safely without it. Adding it while keeping the 8.5psi boost will not gain you any significant power (if any). If all you plan on running is the standard, supported 8.5psi Stage1, then water/alcohol injection will serve no other purpose than to lighten your wallet :)

[Rooz]

I'd like to reiterate something that was already stated.......

With our Stage1 8.5psi bolt-on kit, water/alcohol injection is NOT needed. The system runs safely without it. Adding it while keeping the 8.5psi boost will not gain you any significant power (if any). If all you plan on running is the standard, supported 8.5psi Stage1, then water/alcohol injection will serve no other purpose than to lighten your wallet :)

Yeah, I rememberd you saying that, but I just figure it would be nice to use it as a safety cushion and just in case I run tino the instance where I'd like to run a tad bit more than 8.5 psi, it would be good to have water/alcohol/meth, "just in case"

[bluejeansonfire]

Yeah, I rememberd you saying that, but I just figure it would be nice to use it as a safety cushion and just in case I run tino the instance where I'd like to run a tad bit more than 8.5 psi, it would be good to have water/alcohol/meth, "just in case"

I think you should try one thing at a time. 8.5psi makes your car into a righteous beast. Most people, I think, would be plenty happy with stage1. Stage 1 overwhelmed me at first, but I knew there's more power to be made with more boost.

Try stage 1. If you get addicted to boost, then explore avenues to add meth.

[Rooz]

I think you should try one thing at a time. 8.5psi makes your car into a righteous beast. Most people, I think, would be plenty happy with stage1. Stage 1 overwhelmed me at first, but I knew there's more power to be made with more boost.

Try stage 1. If you get addicted to boost, then explore avenues to add meth.

When you said you were killing 335's and E90 M3's was that with 8.5?

[bluejeansonfire]

When you said you were killing 335's and E90 M3's was that with 8.5?

Please reread the posts. I never killed an e9x m3, perhaps because I never ran one. But Nick did.
The stock and low boost bumped 335s were taken at 8.5psi

[SKIPPY PB]

I'd like to reiterate something that was already stated.......

With our Stage1 8.5psi bolt-on kit, water/alcohol injection is NOT needed. The system runs safely without it. Adding it while keeping the 8.5psi boost will not gain you any significant power (if any). If all you plan on running is the standard, supported 8.5psi Stage1, then water/alcohol injection will serve no other purpose than to lighten your wallet :)

How much boost have some of your customers run the kits up to?

[BimmerDude18]

How much boost have some of your customers run the kits up to?Julio hit as high as 12 for a short period of time, spraying meth.

Keep in mind, Julio intended to build his old engine (outside of the car) for when the rings finally let go on the engine in his car.

[NickG@TechniqueTuning]

How much boost have some of your customers run the kits up to?

11psi or so. I myself have run higher than the standard 8.5psi, but that was to test the durability and tune of the kit.

[Rooz]

Nick, I know you've said with custom pipping this kit would fit on many cars. But to me this is an investment that would stay with me and try to be applied to futur cars. With some pipping, would this work on an E46 M3 or even E39 M5?

[BimmerDude18]

Nick, I know you've said with custom pipping this kit would fit on many cars. But to me this is an investment that would stay with me and try to be applied to futur cars. With some pipping, would this work on an E46 M3 or even E39 M5?

E39 M5 is a V8...manifold is different for E46 M3, andtheir tuning is different for both. E36's are the closest fit for this hardware.

[bluejeansonfire]

Nick, I know you've said with custom pipping this kit would fit on many cars. But to me this is an investment that would stay with me and try to be applied to futur cars. With some pipping, would this work on an E46 M3 or even E39 M5?

I think what Nick meant was more along the lines of other M54 cars. Like the Z4 M54b25/b30, e39 M54 525/530, e60 M54 525/530, X3 M54b25/b30, X5 M54b30, Euro e38 730 725 M54... so we probably wont see that last one but the point I think is that it is a M54 kit.

[Rooz]

Thanks guys. My order should be going in in the next couple of weeks

[zx5rider]

I'm gonna be getting this when i get back from deployment next year how much should i expect to pay for the install or is this something i can do?

[bluejeansonfire]

I'm gonna be getting this when i get back from deployment next year how much should i expect to pay for the install or is this something i can do?

I installed this kit myself, with the help of a few buddies to make the task a little easier. I have no mechanical training, neither do any of the people who were helping me, but we live and breathe cars.
I guess it really depends on what you can do. If you can do hedders yourself and if you did all the mods in your sig, you should have no problem.

[BimmerDude18]

I installed this kit myself, with the help of a few buddies to make the task a little easier. I have no mechanical training, neither do any of the people who were helping me, but we live and breathe cars.
I guess it really depends on what you can do. If you can do hedders yourself and if you did all the mods in your sig, you should have no problem.
It helps to have smaller hands for tightening a number of things on the turbo itself. I know there were a number of things that took entirely too long to tighten because of space constraints.

[BRYGUY1086]

Just an area of concern that hasn't been covered that i would like to be covered is heat.. Did you guys ugrade your water pump? I assume that everything is fine with the stage one kit as far as cooling but what about stage 2 or 3 any need for a bigger intercooler? I would also be curious to see this kit installed if anyone has pictures to gain a better understanding of the layout of the kit.