HPF Stage 2.5 - New #'s (691rwhp) - Pics - Vids + Comparisons to Stage 2

[HPF Chris]

Hey guys,

We've been very very busy lately. After working with Scott and Brian, we decided to create "race fuel" maps for all of our stage 2.5 customers. The idea (Brainstormed by Brian) was to run low boost on both pump gas "AND race fuel", and high boost only when methanol was on. This allowed us to make more power than the primary fuel system could handle by completely relying on methanol as a secondary fuel source when methanol was used. If methanol ran out or there was an interruption in methanol delivery, our safe-guards would kick in and revert to low boost.

This allowed us to create significantly more power anytime methanol was used. Scott Wheeler's car came to us for both a subframe reinforcement and the extra two maps for race fuel. His car made 691rwhp (uncorrected) and 667rwhp (SAE corrected). The torque was shocking at 570ft-lbs (uncorrected) and 551ft-lbs (SAE corrected). I look forward to seeing Scott's new 60-130mph times. Hopefully he can beat his 6.43 with the 50rwhp extra and the new tires!

Scott W Uncorrected (Race fuel + methanol) - what the car actually laid down

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/scottw/ScottWUncorrected.gif

Scott W SAE Correction - power corrected to a warmer day

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/scottw/ScottWSAE.gif

Now we get to the fun stuff. We already know our stage 1 and 2 M3's have been fiercly beating nearly everything on the street even including some bikes! They have an amazing powerband with an incredibly quick spool that provides instant boost at almost any rpm. We've seen the videos and the 6.85 60-130mph runs.

Well, the first time I drove a stage 2.5 car, I thought it was over-boosting because the power seemed too strong for a 67 turbo at moderate boost levels. When we overlaid the graphs we realized that we picked up an astonishing amount of torque. This next graph is pretty astonishing knowing very well that the stage 2 spools quickly. Check out the race gas + meth of a stage 2 car against race gas + meth of a stage 2.5 car....

HPF Stage 2 vs HPF Stage 2.5 (Race Fuel + Methanol)
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/dynos/Stage2and2.5CompareRace.gif

HPF Stage 2 vs HPF Stage 2.5 (Pump Fuel + Methanol)
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/dynos/Stage2and2.5ComparePump.gif

What's ridiculous is that the lower curve looks like a slow spooling car, but it isn't. It's an amazingly quick HPF stage 2 M3. Here's a graph of a stage 2.5 on race vs. stock.

HPF Stage 2.5 (Race Fuel + Methanol) vs stock
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/dynos/Stage2.5ToStockComparison.gif

Brian knew that his car would be a complete torque monster and he wanted to be able to go full throttle in any gear at any time. He opted for the optional traction control (standard with stage 4) with his stage 2.5 beast. Here are some pics of his gorgeous white stage 2.5 M3 and a quick video of us testing 1st gear launches in the parking lot. Brian's car is getting the final race fuel tune later this week and will be shipping out.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/belliot/belliot3.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/belliot/belliot1.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/belliot/belliot2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/belliot/belliot4.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/belliot/belliot5.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/belliot/belliot6.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/belliot/belliot7.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/belliot/belliot8.jpg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l9P0B0YTBzo

Congrats to Scott and Brian for having the first 2 Stage 2.5 Beasts on the road. I can't wait to see how these machines stack up against other highly modified cars.

Take care,
Chris.

[HPFMTRE]

Great work guys! cant wait!!!

[Ferm3]

:bow: :hi: Chris

[k7780446]

hpf done it again!

[RACEMX-M3]

Chris just got my back this afternoon and the power is crazy. :loco: New tires go on tomorrow, look forward to posting new 60 - 130 times. :thumbsup:

[MSpired]

Nice work guys, I think this was definetely a needed upgraded for the stage 2.5 kit.

[///M3Turk]

Nice..congrats..

[leletyM3]

Great work again!

[///M3-QTR]

Scott and Brian make us some action vids when you can !!!!

Great job HPF !

[bimmerbum46]

:omg:

[gasser]

I can't wait to get it back. I already have another set of rear tires sitting here in my garage in preparation for the current ones being burned up pretty quickly when it gets back. :woot:

Brian

[Sharkbite2000]

HOTT!!! That's must be a handful to drive with all that power :)

[johnjohnsonS54]

HOTT!!! That's must be a handful to drive with all that power :)

I take it you missed the video of the traction control system?

[S54PWR]

Wow as always, great work by HPF.:thumbsup: I just have one quick question, why does the torque falloff so quick with the Stage 2.5 vs. the other stages, I even took a look at the Stage 1,2, and 3 on the website and they have a much flatter torque curve before tapering off in the end while the Stage 2.5 peaks but then falls off a quite a bit much faster than the other stages. I saw this the most in the Stage 2 vs. Stage 2.5 race fuel and methanol and pump fuel + methanol graphs you posted Chris, is there any reason for that or are you guys tweaking the curve even more prior to shipping off?

[HPF Chris]

Wow as always, great work by HPF.:thumbsup: I just have one quick question, why does the torque falloff so quick with the Stage 2.5 vs. the other stages, I even took a look at the Stage 1,2, and 3 on the website and they have a much flatter torque curve before tapering off in the end while the Stage 2.5 peaks but then falls off a quite a bit much faster than the other stages. I saw this the most in the Stage 2 vs. Stage 2.5 race fuel and methanol and pump fuel + methanol graphs you posted Chris, is there any reason for that or are you guys tweaking the curve even more prior to shipping off?

Thanks.

Torque always falls off as rpm goes up with turbo cars. The fact that our stage 2 kits hold torque to redline is due to the extremely high efficiency of the high compression motor. That is uncommon, and causes peak horsepower to be right at red-line. It's much better to have a fatter torque band where horsepower is increased throughout the entire rpm range and not just at redline. If you ride in a stage 2 kit, it feels like a jet that just keeps going faster. If you ride in a stage 2.5 kit it feels like you got rear ended by a freight train.


I can't wait to get it back. I already have another set of rear tires sitting here in my garage in preparation for the current ones being burned up pretty quickly when it gets back.

Brian


I can't wait as well. It was great meeting you and your wife in Vegas.


Chris just got my back this afternoon and the power is crazy. New tires go on tomorrow, look forward to posting new 60 - 130 times.


Excellent. If you can get into the 5's that would be sick!!!

Chris.

[xcoolnessx]

Holy smokes. I don't think the GF will want to ride in the beast anymore. LOL ahahhahahahahahhaahaha hahahaahahah

[yellowssm]

Chris just got my back this afternoon and the power is crazy. :loco: New tires go on tomorrow, look forward to posting new 60 - 130 times. :thumbsup:

what tire and size are you gonna try out scott?

[S54PWR]

Thanks.

Torque always falls off as rpm goes up with turbo cars. The fact that our stage 2 kits hold torque to redline is due to the extremely high efficiency of the high compression motor. That is uncommon, and causes peak horsepower to be right at red-line. It's much better to have a fatter torque band where horsepower is increased throughout the entire rpm range and not just at redline. If you ride in a stage 2 kit, it feels like a jet that just keeps going faster. If you ride in a stage 2.5 kit it feels like you got rear ended by a freight train.




Chris.

Ahh, thanks for the explanation Chris, I do know about the turbo cars having torque falloff that but I was just wondering why the stage 2.5 fell off so fast. Even the stage 3 even holds its torque much longer than the 2.5 as shown on the site's dyno. Is the fact that the Stage 3 runs a 74mm and the stage 2.5 is running a 67 that seems to start flowing a bit hot that causes the torque falloff in comparison to stage 3? Stage 3 has the best of both worlds, sick torque holding until redline(like stock compression) and the huge surge of power that hits way before redline(better than stage 1,2 and 2.5), that I'm sure will decimate all and thats why of course it's Stage 3. :D Now we'll all hide for stage 4 and 5 finalized numbers. :loco:

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/horsepowerfreaks/Stage3.gif


BTW, which exhaust was that on the car, it sounded mean.:bow: I also think that the Methanol button should be called the real "M Button" M for Methanol and M car of course ;) for the HPF cars. It would be nice to see the button with the BMW M Logo on it and it illuminated once its on. I'm sure the stage 2s love the added 140rwhp and 105rwtq by a flip of the switch vs. just plain old pump, Stage 2.5 gains 60rwhp and close to 90rwtq. Stage 3 gains 140rwhp and 110rwtq by the flip of that button. I think HPF puts the real M button in the M3. :D

As always I'm just enjoying the feedback, knowledge and threads about the HPF cars and boosted M3s in general. :pimpin: It would be nice to see some Stage 3 cars with the traction control system attempt the 60-130mph runs.

[RACEMX-M3]

what tire and size are you gonna try out scott?


I have Toyo T1R tires, the rears are 285/30/19. That's the widest I can go without rolling fenders, and I rub a little if anyone sits in the back seat. I'm sure I can beat my 6.43 60 - 130 time with the race fuel/methanol map, but I'm probably going to need 17's with drag radials to get under 6 seconds.

[PMW E46]

Wow...all i can say is beautiful..

[yellowssm]

I have Toyo T1R tires, the rears are 285/30/19. That's the widest I can go without rolling fenders, and I rub a little if anyone sits in the back seat. I'm sure I can beat my 6.43 60 - 130 time with the race fuel/methanol map, but I'm probably going to need 17's with drag radials to get under 6 seconds.

i had the t1r's and hated them.

[RACEMX-M3]

I know Brian + one other M3 are getting Stage 2.5.. hard to keep up with user names on different forums. Just curious who else is getting or planning to get 2.5? :)

[leletyM3]

Kevin "xcoolness" is getting stg 2.5 I think......I haven't got time to get a ride on his stg 2 and now he is already on stg 2.5!!

[T330]

:drool:

[BimmerDude18]

I know Brian + one other M3 are getting Stage 2.5.. hard to keep up with user names on different forums. Just curious who else is getting or planning to get 2.5? :)I know of one going to Orlando area as well.

[gasser]

From what Chris told me, there will be 4 stage 2.5 cars out on the road in they next month or so. :woot: :bow:

[xcoolnessx]

Stage 2.5!! ME!!!!!!

[SPDu4ea]

Chris just got my back this afternoon and the power is crazy. :loco: New tires go on tomorrow, look forward to posting new 60 - 130 times. :thumbsup:

Scott, any plans to go to TX2K9?

[funkboy316]

I will be making the switch from 2 to 2.5 very soon as well.

[RACEMX-M3]

Scott, any plans to go to TX2K9?

Definitely looking into it. :)

[pastE36prsntE46]

Scott, any plans to go to TX2K9?

When is it?

[RACEMX-M3]

When is it?

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/151649-tx2k9-official-information-thread.html

[gasser]

I may be going, but the M3 is gonna stay in Vegas. A few buddies of mine always go and I am looking to fly out and join in on the fun for a few days. :shhh:

[RACEMX-M3]

I may be going, but the M3 is gonna stay in Vegas. A few buddies of mine always go and I am looking to fly out and join in on the fun for a few days. :shhh:

Brian,

You have to be chompin at the bit to drive your car. For safety you should strap on some Depends. I still haven't driven my car with the new race + methanol map, that should happen this coming weekend. Be safe. :)

[gasser]

Brian,

You have to be chompin at the bit to drive your car. For safety you should strap on some Depends. I still haven't driven my car with the new race + methanol map, that should happen this coming weekend. Be safe. :)

Yup, can't wait. :woot: I have another set of tires ready b/c the ones on there now are gonna get destroyed quickly. :thanks:

[pastE36prsntE46]

Damn a month too early for me, maybe next year!

[RACEMX-M3]

Yup, can't wait. :woot: I have another set of tires ready b/c the ones on there now are gonna get destroyed quickly. :thanks:

It's good to finally have some company. It's been lonely being the only 2.5 car. lol.

[topendusa]

Nice

[gasser]

It's good to finally have some company. It's been lonely being the only 2.5 car. lol.

I will probably get the car back this Sunday or Monday. It goes out on the truck tomorrow. I want to see some new v-box numbers from you since I am the one that brainstormed how to get a race+meth map for ya. :idea:

[RACEMX-M3]

I will probably get the car back this Sunday or Monday. It goes out on the truck tomorrow. I want to see some new v-box numbers from you since I am the one that brainstormed how to get a race+meth map for ya. :idea:

lol, yep Brian I owe you. I should have new vbox numbers up in a few days.

[gasser]

lol, yep Brian I owe you. I should have new vbox numbers up in a few days.

Yea, buy me a drink at MFest and we will call it even. :pimpin:

[RACEMX-M3]

Yea, buy me a drink at MFest and we will call it even. :pimpin:

Deal. :)

[pastE36prsntE46]

Hey Scott, talked to Dave, getting the VBOX so hopefully in April I will have some stage 3 numbers to compare with your 2.5s.............

[BDUB328I]

awesome finally some stage 3 gettting a v box

[RACEMX-M3]

Well I drove my car today for the first time on RACE + METH and whoever buys this kit is going to have a big smile on their face. I'll get new 60-130 times posted soon. :)

[S54PWR]

Well I drove my car today for the first time on RACE + METH and whoever buys this kit is going to have a big smile on their face. I'll get new 60-130 times posted soon. :)

Stop teasing us! lol Did you run into any cars that though your car was sick since it sneezed (SSQVs) and it overheated because it has a extra big radiator sticking out the bottom of the bumper (FMIC)? :rofl: If anyone asks you tell them its Flu season and BMW reliability acted up again and your car caught the flu, it sneezes alot and its temperature is high making it need that extra large radiator shown in your bumper. ;) Of course we know thats the BOVs and FMIC in disguise. Keep us posted.

[HPF Chris]

I had a tree fall on my house last weekend in the wind-storm. The general contractor came by my shop today for me to sign the documents so he could do the repairs. He has a lot of clients with BMWs, and Brian's Stage 2.5 M3 was ready to be picked up. Hmmmmm want to go for a ride?

That car is just plain sick!! I told him that this car can keep up with liter bikes on the top end as I was putting around for about 5 minutes letting the motor warm up. I think he was thinking sure it does because there's no way to tell there's a turbo in it during normal driving.... Then I opened it up and it pulled right through 4th gear in around 1 second. He **** his pants and was shaking the rest of the time. He even called me back a few hours later to tell me he's still shaking. Don't worry Brian, I cleaned the **** up for you. :)

Please let us all know what you think about your car when it arrives.

Take care,
Chris.

[gasser]

Don't worry Brian, I cleaned the **** up for you. :)

Please let us all know what you think about your car when it arrives.

Take care,
Chris.

Hey, if my car smells when it gets here, I am gonna send you an exploding package full of sh!!t. :lmao:

Hopefully the car will get here Monday. I'll post up my thoughts of it then.

Brian

[RACEMX-M3]

Hey, if my car smells when it gets here, I am gonna send you an exploding package full of sh!!t. :lmao:

Hopefully the car will get here Monday. I'll post up my thoughts of it then.

Brian

Brian,

You're in for a big treat. Can't wait to hear your impressions. I would suggest you refrain from driving the car in race mode for a couple of months until you get used to the power. :)

[gasser]

Brian,

You're in for a big treat. Can't wait to hear your impressions. I would suggest you refrain from driving the car in race mode for a couple of months until you get used to the power. :)

I don't think that will happen. It will only be lower boost/hp until I fully break in the motor and clutch. I have owned high HP cars in the past, so this is not anything new to me. No driver mod needed here. The difference here is the SBBC/traction control setup. :woot:

[HPF Chris]

I don't think that will happen. It will only be lower boost/hp until I fully break in the motor and clutch. I have owned high HP cars in the past, so this is not anything new to me. No driver mod needed here. The difference here is the SBBC/traction control setup. :woot:

The motor and clutch are broken in. The car has race fuel and methanol in it. I love where you had us hide the meth switch. Very cool. With traction control left on, put it at full power. It won't let you go sideways, I tried. :)

Chris.

[cpa323i]

All this talk about sbbc/traction control and not going sideways is making my decision to HPF my m3!

[gasser]

The motor and clutch are broken in. The car has race fuel and methanol in it. I love where you had us hide the meth switch. Very cool. With traction control left on, put it at full power. It won't let you go sideways, I tried. :)

Chris.

Kewl. The truck may be here tomorrow night or early Monday morning. Won't be able to sleep much tonight or tomorrow night. :excited: