Now the Ball is Rolling - and FAST

[SMGEEZ]

Hey guys,

I haven't said much about my build for a while you may remember my thread "jumping Right In" http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=634811

Well, They have gotten their bigger projects out of the way for now and have started the physical install on my car. They are building an instruction manual as they go too as RMS doesn't even supply one with the e46 kit.

It should be assembled by the end of the week and they will begin tuning next week. I have requested pictures of the install as it goes etc. etc.

I'm itching to hear this thing on their dyno and then get in a go for some rippers! I will post some pictures up later today.

[boosted323]

Good luck. Cant wait to see the finished result. I have been folling your last post as well. Don't listen to all these dumbasses who don't know what they are talking about. The RMS Hardware is good stuff, its just the software which has had problems. But your not using it anyway.

As far is tuning, if this company said that they can do obd2 tuning then there should be no problem. A lot of these members fail to realize that these vendors that sell off the shelf kits with a tune are not the only ones able to do it.

[SMGEEZ]

Good luck. Cant wait to see the finished result. I have been folling your last post as well. Don't listen to all these dumbasses who don't know what they are talking about. The RMS Hardware is good stuff, its just the software which has had problems. But your not using it anyway.

As far is tuning, if this company said that they can do obd2 tuning then there should be no problem. A lot of these members fail to realize that these vendors that sell off the shelf kits with a tune are not the only ones able to do it.

Thanks for the positive words. It has been crazy weather wise around here... he is a shot from the local ski hill yesterday. I don't know who the photographer is but the picture is making its way around by email.

Totally shows why it is the perfect time of year to have the car "parked" for a while.

[boosted323]

Wow ive never seen anything like that before. You from BC?

[SMGEEZ]

Wow ive never seen anything like that before. You from BC?

Yeah. Beautiful BC..:woot:

[bluejeansonfire]

A lot of these members fail to realize that these vendors that sell off the shelf kits with a tune are not the only ones able to do it.

Yeah, but it is very few people that understand the hex code and the vanos and cam profiling. I know of an E36 M that got blowed up with an inappropriate tune from a local shop known for their import tuning prowess. I think they added supra timing, with the camshaft pattern in our motors, that much timing had his motor running for just a few hours before kaboom.
Make sure that the people who are tuning your car have made their own S54 FI tune in the past. OBD2 tuning is one thing. an S54 or any other vanos motor, is a different case, though the s54 is pretty unique with its redline, displacement and many technologies.

[boosted323]

Yeah, but it is very few people that understand the hex code and the vanos and cam profiling. I know of an E36 M that got blowed up with an inappropriate tune from a local shop known for their import tuning prowess. I think they added supra timing, with the camshaft pattern in our motors, that much timing had his motor running for just a few hours before kaboom.
Make sure that the people who are tuning your car have made their own S54 FI tune in the past. OBD2 tuning is one thing. an S54 or any other vanos motor, is a different case, though the s54 is pretty unique with its redline, displacement and many technologies.

I complety agree with you that it is not an easy task to do. What Im saying is that most ppl think it is impossible to get done. There are shops out there that can do this. Not many but there is some.

[SMGEEZ]

I know these guys can do it. They are responsible for maintaining a bunch of supercharged M cars around the "lower mainland" of BC. Even if the kit wasn't installed at their facility, they take care of cars that need tuning help. They ONLY do BMW and a little Porsche. These guys are more than capable of understanding the ECU.

[boosted323]

I know these guys can do it. They are responsible for maintaining a bunch of supercharged M cars around the "lower mainland" of BC. Even if the kit wasn't installed at their facility, they take care of cars that need tuning help. They ONLY do BMW and a little Porsche. These guys are more than capable of understanding the ECU.

U should't have any problems. Lemme know how it turns out:thumbsup:

[///M3Turk]

GL :excited:



and BTW :pics: :D

[bluejeansonfire]

I know these guys can do it. They are responsible for maintaining a bunch of supercharged M cars around the "lower mainland" of BC. Even if the kit wasn't installed at their facility, they take care of cars that need tuning help. They ONLY do BMW and a little Porsche. These guys are more than capable of understanding the ECU.
but have they tuned these cars with boost from nothing?

[BimmerDude18]

but have they tuned these cars with boost from nothing?

Just wait and see man. Either the results will be good, or bad.

Shoot, look at some of the FI tunes currently used for M3's :shhh:

[SMGEEZ]

Here are some pics they sent me this morning. It should be wrapped up install wise today. :woot:

[Activ3]

They look like a pretty competent shop, GL! :)

[Brody@MP]

This is one of the cars that is currently in the shop. Thankfully, our customer has decided to go FI and chose us to do help reach his goal. Now I have read all the hate thrown towards RMS, but we believe in the RMS Product line combined with OUR tuning. We will have the above car on the dyno this week and we will post the results on our site as well as on here.

There will soon be a tuning solution to RMS's great gear.

[bluejeansonfire]

This is one of the cars that is currently in the shop. Thankfully, our customer has decided to go FI and chose us to do help reach his goal. Now I have read all the hate thrown towards RMS, but we believe in the RMS Product line combined with OUR tuning. We will have the above car on the dyno this week and we will post the results on our site as well as on here.

There will soon be a tuning solution to RMS's great gear.

i wouldn't call it "hate" as much as "unfamiliarity with its success", as there hasn't been much. But the equipment looks very nice.

I think the general consensus is that a v2sq supercharger kit already exists for the e46 m3, vf. Why bother getting custom work done when a proven tune already exists?

I only question your tuning because its new and hasn't been proven. Sure, your customer has claimed your shop's maintenance of supercharged e46s. But why would you mess with a car's tune to maintain it? I maintain my car in my garage, I peeled a roof and installed a turbo kit, i change my oil, but i don't know the first thing about hex code- I left that for someone who genuinely knows it. And I don't know the relationship between hex code and auto maintenance.

I'm not saying you guys don't have a competent tuner, you very well may have a team of very talented guys that might be able to crank one out in a few mins. But I'm wondering how many times you've managed to complete a s/c tune for the ms s54. I know that it took ESS years, it took AA years, it took VF years. No tune piracy, I don't think you would. Good luck this week, the setup looks sick.

[Brody@MP]

i wouldn't call it "hate" as much as "unfamiliarity with its success", as there hasn't been much. But the equipment looks very nice.

I think the general consensus is that a v2sq supercharger kit already exists for the e46 m3, vf. Why bother getting custom work done when a proven tune already exists?

I only question your tuning because its new and hasn't been proven. Sure, your customer has claimed your shop's maintenance of supercharged e46s. But why would you mess with a car's tune to maintain it? I maintain my car in my garage, I peeled a roof and installed a turbo kit, i change my oil, but i don't know the first thing about hex code- I left that for someone who genuinely knows it. And I don't know the relationship between hex code and auto maintenance.

I'm not saying you guys don't have a competent tuner, you very well may have a team of very talented guys that might be able to crank one out in a few mins. But I'm wondering how many times you've managed to complete a s/c tune for the ms s54. I know that it took ESS years, it took AA years, it took VF years. No tune piracy, I don't think you would. Good luck this week, the setup looks sick.

Very fair words sir. It does take a long time to perfect ones tuning, but once understood, a good tuner can adapt what he mastered in one ecu for the next. I guess it comes down to how much time you can spend on the dyno without interruption.

This will be our second M3 that is tuned by us with FI. We have tuned many other FI BMW's and can bring all the knowledge learned to the table for any FI project.

Hopefully, we become an option for tuning for those in the pacific northwest and Canada, as the major players right now are in California or Florida.

[mikem7709]

Looking forward to seeing the results, the cast manifold looks very neat. :)

[docwyte]

It's not hate. It's experience. All of us have been on the receiving end of Osh's BS. Anyone with half a brain steers well clear of him.

[MachRc]

i remember the thread before christmas last year..

how are you liking the car so far!

post some dynos for us.

[Brody@MP]

i remember the thread before christmas last year..

how are you liking the car so far!

post some dynos for us.

Ian's car is still with us. We have the S/C installed and we are just waiting till things calm down to get it on the dyno. We are very busy with some development stuff that needs to be finished. Also, we have been allowed to take our time with the project as we are documenting it to make our own manuals and parts the RMS's kit doesn't include or may have been "missed" in packing. Its a bit of a tedious process, but one that needs to be addressed if people are interested in this kit with our tuning.

He got a good deal on the hardware and is in no rush to get the car on the road. It is messy weather here in BC right now so that's another reason he is in no rush. We will be strapping his car to the dyno this week and we will post videos/dyno/pics towards the end of the week.

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Brody Saari

[T-Werke]

Cant wait for the results! You guys definitely are going to make a impact on the current e46 m3 tuner market :thumbup:

Travis

Ian's car is still with us. We have the S/C installed and we are just waiting till things calm down to get it on the dyno. We are very busy with some development stuff that needs to be finished. Also, we have been allowed to take our time with the project as we are documenting it to make our own manuals and parts the RMS's kit doesn't include or may have been "missed" in packing. Its a bit of a tedious process, but one that needs to be addressed if people are interested in this kit with our tuning.

He got a good deal on the hardware and is in no rush to get the car on the road. It is messy weather here in BC right now so that's another reason he is in no rush. We will be strapping his car to the dyno this week and we will post videos/dyno/pics towards the end of the week.

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Brody Saari

[mikem7709]

What route does the water take through the manifold ? It doesn`t look as "chunky" as the VF or ESS one. Are there Laminova cores inside it ?

[Brody@MP]

While Ian is enjoying the Florida sun getting some time in on his water ski's, we got the car strapped down on the dyno... We have only been up to 5500 RPM right now as we are already at 10PSI... and we need the larger pulley for this kit (the wrong one was sent.) So hopefully the pulley will be here tomorrow and we will finish the car. Sounds great so far!! I will update with some pictures in a few minutes.

[Brody@MP]

Kit Installed and running.
http://millerperformancecars.com/images/Forums/M3-1.JPG


http://millerperformancecars.com/images/Forums/M3-2.JPG

The Dyno graph SO FAR. You can see how retarded the timing is Max is 10 degrees. We always play with AFR first so that it is in perfect check. Then we play with timing bringing it back up and adjust fuel as needed to keep the AFR Smooth. You can Also see our AFR compared to stock. It doesn't start off lean rather when you hit it, it is already at a safe 12:1 and stays in the 12's the whole way.

Once we get the proper pulley we will be able to go ALL the way. and we should start seeing some exciting numbers!

http://millerperformancecars.com/images/Forums/M3%20Graph.JPG

[Flavourless]

cant wait to see this!!

[joeybaby]

Hey guys,

I haven't said much about my build for a while you may remember my thread "jumping Right In" http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=634811

Well, They have gotten their bigger projects out of the way for now and have started the physical install on my car. They are building an instruction manual as they go too as RMS doesn't even supply one with the e46 kit.

It should be assembled by the end of the week and they will begin tuning next week. I have requested pictures of the install as it goes etc. etc.

I'm itching to hear this thing on their dyno and then get in a go for some rippers! I will post some pictures up later today.



Does your car have the smg trany?Are they able to set your launch control to the euro spec 3500 rpm?

Have they tried a alpha-n tune on a stock m3 to see what numbers they can get?

[hexadecim8]

Does your car have the smg trany?Are they able to set your launch control to the euro spec 3500 rpm?

Have they tried a alpha-n tune on a stock m3 to see what numbers they can get?


Alpha-n tune requires the use of a modified airbox/intake manifold and maf delete IIRC. I've talked to them about 'guinea pigging' the setup for proof of concept for the forum.

[hexadecim8]

Update, took the ///M up to Vancouver last week for a couple of days and wanted to stop by the MP shop to check out the digs and talk about tuning but after a few calls and no reply to the vm that I left, it was time to leave. Thus no soup for me... Brody, why no callback?? :bawling:

[MachRc]

wheres smjezzus, id hate to be pessimistic..just that the FI bar on e46 is set so high..two "PR" threads and no results to drool @...if this was my christmas gift id be mad its march already.

bump

[A55A55IN]

wheres smjezzus, id hate to be pessimistic..just that the FI bar on e46 is set so high..two "PR" threads and no results to drool @...if this was my christmas gift id be mad its march already.

bump

This is where the "i told you" comes into play

[MachRc]

im pretty sure a55a55in the cars quite ready. I just thought with the new sponsor jumping right in it would make for a good show.

or like the title suggested a quicker roll for PR intraweb sakes.

i dont doubt them at all, tuners are tuners. And well capable ones could care less what the internet thinks. but for smgeez sakes, id hate to be passionate about it burning and being put out and left kinda hanging.

[Telex840]

This has been going on since before christmas and still no final product?:confused: For 10 grand they better work around the clock to get my siht back to me.

[A55A55IN]

i totally understand machRC but like ^ mentioned, i would be pissed if i dumped 10K into a kit and its not even done after almost 3 months.

I would much rather give that money to ESS or VFE. Or better yet, save some more $ and just HPF that biotch....

[Brody@MP]

Hey Guys,

Our Customer, Ian did not pay full price for the kit. He has been back and forth to his florida and Cali getaways all winter long as he is an avid water skier. This car was brought in so we could address what needs to be provided and or altered for the RMS kit to be sent out in "kit form" There were things that needed to be designed and fabricated, adjusted etc. We have gone through two different S/C Pulleys, and we need a custom sized pulley so that boost can be right where we want it at red line. The right sized belts are a PITA to source in Canada for some reason.

The car has been done "un tuned" for a while as Ian is in NO rush and wanted to be around when it was on the dyno. We have finished the tuning but have limited the RPMS to a weak 7000. For safety reasons its set at that. We are going to be trying a different plug that will be here on Thursday. It pulls right to 7000 so it looks amazingly promising for the 8000 red line.

I have dyno graphs of the 7000 red line but have been hesitant to post as it isn't a FULL (8000 rpm) run. I can post them for a teaser, but I didn't want to get torn apart for the 7000 red line.

So far the power is 470HP at the wheels uncorrected ( I personally hate corrected numbers ) If you want to see nearly finished dyno graphs I can post them in the morning when I get in my office.

[Brody@MP]

Update, took the ///M up to Vancouver last week for a couple of days and wanted to stop by the MP shop to check out the digs and talk about tuning but after a few calls and no reply to the vm that I left, it was time to leave. Thus no soup for me... Brody, why no callback?? :bawling:

We have been having issues with our phones. We have VOIP and it tends to have issues every now and then. I can honestly say that I never received your VM. I do believe you left them, but the Voicemails are emailed to my computer and I never got any from you.

I would have LOVED for you to stop in, had I known you were trying to call, you would have had a nice tour:pimpin:

[BimmerDude18]

I'd love to see some SAE corrected dyno numbers.

Corrected (although not what the car made on that day) is much easier to compare.

[Brody@MP]

I'd love to see some SAE corrected dyno numbers.

Corrected (although not what the car made on that day) is much easier to compare.

You are exactly right. I will post the "Weather Corrected" numbers as Mustang Dynamomters calls it, but the reason I dislike the corrected numbers are that every dyno is different, even of the same make and model (but slightly) and even though the corrected number gives a better idea, it is still a formula, and has discrepencies across the different styles and makes of dyno's etc etc.

However, I do agree that it does "level" the comparison playing field. I wish our dyno room was temperature controlled.... That would be sweeto-cream.:woot:

[Brody@MP]

Here are the Dyno Graphs so far. The car is only rev'ing to 7000 RPM right now, so take that into consideration.

Car has stock exhaust, RMS S/C and our MRT (Alpha-N) Software. I have included both the non correct and corrected print outs.

Enjoy.

[MachRc]

thank you for the update!

edit:

the two teaser dyno

http://www.mbglaw.com/images/mp.jpg

[Activ3]

The curve looks perfect so far :thumbup:

[Brody@MP]

thank you for the update!

edit:

the two teaser dyno


It looks like you missed the Corrected one.

[MachRc]

oops must have click the same link twice, but fixed!
http://www.mbglaw.com/images/mp.jpg

[BimmerDude18]

Looks awesome guys.

[Brody@MP]

Well, Dan has been tuning some more and we are slowly raising the rev limit again. We were having very mild detonation - inaudible without proper equipment with the old spark plugs. We got some new plugs installed today and it seems to have been resolved, however, now the fuel pump is running out... Towards the top of 6K rpm, the fuel pressure falls about 12 psi... with the the software "maxed out" in value, it looks like an inline Walbro is needed.

But here is another graph... We were getting the odd 480+ but it seems to be at a very consistant 474 475 Uncorrected (446 Corrected)

http://millerperformancecars.com/images/Documents/SC%20E46%20M3%20pt2.jpg

[hexadecim8]

We have been having issues with our phones. We have VOIP and it tends to have issues every now and then. I can honestly say that I never received your VM. I do believe you left them, but the Voicemails are emailed to my computer and I never got any from you.

I would have LOVED for you to stop in, had I known you were trying to call, you would have had a nice tour:pimpin:


No worries mate. I was with the gf on this trip so I probably wouldn't have been able to sit around and watch you run dynos all day like I would've liked :). But I'll get back up soon enough.

Are you still doing dyno Thursdays?

[Brody@MP]

No worries mate. I was with the gf on this trip so I probably wouldn't have been able to sit around and watch you run dynos all day like I would've liked :). But I'll get back up soon enough.

Are you still doing dyno Thursdays?

We will be doing "Pit Nights" again soon. Once the weather betters and the local Friday night street legals kick in, then we will do the regular Thursday night party:woot:

[joeybaby]

Does your car have the smg trany?Are they able to set your launch control to the euro spec 3500 rpm?

Have they tried a alpha-n tune on a stock m3 to see what numbers they can get?


Hey brody, are you able to change his launch control in his smg trany to the euro spec 3500 rpm?

[Brody@MP]

Ehyan finally is back in the country long enough to have picked up his car.

http://millerperformancecars.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_originals//cars_2/BMW%20Cars_1/super_charged_m3_72/supercharged_7_20090306_1678178985.jpg

When he drove off for a test drive we told him to turn off the DSC so he could feel what the car truly feels like. We got a phone call nearly right away, "Im having a really hard time in 1st and 2nd, I can't get it not to spin..." We had to laugh at that comment. But the smile on his face when he returned was priceless.

We ended up settling at 480 RWHP as this is still safe on a bone stock engine. We will be buying a Vbox this year so when we get that, we will get some Vbox numbers for you junkies.

http://millerperformancecars.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_originals//cars_2/BMW%20Cars_1/super_charged_m3_72/supercharged_5_20090306_1905120128.jpg

http://millerperformancecars.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_originals//cars_2/BMW%20Cars_1/super_charged_m3_72/supercharged_6_20090306_1642311272.jpg

[MachRc]

congrats!

Damn, Beautiful British Columbia is posted on the map!

are you guys planning to get kit specific with m3s or is this a one off tune and plan to move onto other customers cars in the vicinity? Is rms just a wholesaler now for parts, or are you gonna tune more for them, thank you.

[Activ3]

I think RMS always sold their kit as a "tuner kit" with no attached software? In any case, congrats on getting it finished! Pretty cool to have another capable FI company on board :)

[Brody@MP]

congrats!

Damn, Beautiful British Columbia is posted on the map!

are you guys planning to get kit specific with m3s or is this a one off tune and plan to move onto other customers cars in the vicinity? Is rms just a wholesaler now for parts, or are you gonna tune more for them, thank you.

We are planning on getting a couple more local M3's boosted. Once we have done a couple and have a "method" nailed down for organizing the install and parts a tuned "kit" may or may not be available. It takes a lot to organize kits over in house installs. Also it is a little late in the game for e46 stuff...

After our Big development project we are working on for OBDI stuff is wrapped up, we will probably venture into e9X M3 territory. But its only the plan. We will be working with a local BMW dealership so it will be easy for us to get "test cars" :4ngie:

[djnekkon]

looks pretty neat

[BimmerDude18]

Looks awesome guys! Any chance you can post the dyno?

[SMGEEZ]

Well, I have been driving the car for a while now, we have been having some good weather Finally!! The car pulls great, I didn't expect the power difference to be that intense, mind you this is my first boosted car. There were some issues with the tune while I was cruising at certain RPMS so I took it back to let the guys at miller have a look. They took the time to let me show them, when you drive a car every day you can get it to do things on command if you know what I mean. Anyway, they adjusted my tune in a couple spots and the hesitation went away.

Also, I asked what my options were for my SMG clutch... I don't think it will like me for the rest of the year... what are some of the clutches you guys have tried and liked?

All I can say is the car has been great - there were some issues here and there, but they were quickly taken care of. They told me I would eventually get used to the power and they told me of a couple remedies to heal that:pimpin: Maybe towards the end of summer I might get some water meth or something.

Again, any input on a good clutch for my SMG would be appreciated.

[BimmerDude18]

Most of the guys running the HPF clutch have reported good results.

[///M3Turk]

pretty nice:thumbsup:

[mikem7709]

HPF`s seems to be the best all round solution but driveabillity isn`t 100%.

Some SMG cars seem to take aftermarket clutches better than others, some have gone straight in and others have been a nightmare even when using the same clutch kits.

I`m going to try a Sachs HD friction plate with a standard pressure plate and see how it goes, if it goes **** up I`ll buy a HPF stage 1 and live with it.

[MATT0404]

Congrats on the final product! Looks great, glad it all worked out for you. Keep us updated on the meth situation. :4ngie: