HPF Stage 2.5 Race + Methanol 60 - 130

[RACEMX-M3]

5.85 :)

I finally had time to pour some race fuel in my car this weekend and log some vbox runs with the new tune HPF recently added to their Stage 2.5 cars. I'm running 285/19 Toyo T1R's and I wasn't sure if I would be able to best my pump + methanol time of 6.43 due to traction issues. Starting in 3rd I have to ease into the throttle to keep the car from going sideways, I don't think the tires fully hooked until about 90 mph.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/M3bmwdrvr/BMW/vboxhpf25585.jpg

[HPFMTRE]

wow very impressive!

[BadBoostedBmwM3]

Holy Crap!!:pimpin:

You killed your old time. Would you happen to have video??

And, this is only stg 2.5 imagine what a stg.3 or 4 could due with traction.

[ST06M3]

Holy Smokes! :yikes:

Congrads on your run.

[pastE36prsntE46]

WOW!!!!! Awesome time Scott!!! By the way what rims are you running to fit those tires?

[BimmerDude18]

Get some nice drag radials and see what she does with lots of good traction.

[HPF Chris]

I knew it would be faster, but that's a significant improvement. Forget about cars... 5.85 is faster than the 2006 Yamaha R1 which does it in 5.9 sec. And on street tires w/19" wheels!!!!

Congrats.

Chris

Here's your place in line Scott...

60-130mph Times

5.85 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2.5 (race + methanol) Scott W.
6.86 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2 (race + methanol) Jim P.
6.90 McLaren F1
6.90 Mosler MT900S
7.00 Ferrari Enzo
7.03 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2.5 (pump gas only)
7.23 Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.30 Porsche Carrera GT
7.70 Ferrari 599 GTS Fiorano
7.86 Corvette C6 Z06
8.07 Lamborghini LP640
8.70 Nissan GT-R
8.86 Stock 997TT / 32 degrees, Tiptronic
9.10 993 Ruf R Turbo 490 HP / 2 shifts
9.30 Ferarri F40
9.30 Ferarri F50
9.40 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.50 Ferrari F430
10.06 996TT with ECU flash
10.90 Lamborghini Murcielago
11.70 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
12.10 Lamborghini Gallardo
12.90 BMW M3 - Dinan S3-R Supercharged
16.20 BMW M3 - stock

[DLSJ5]

Well done Scott!

[TaZaM3]

Post your G acceleration data and i can tell you exaclty where you are losing traction.

[bcs325ci]

Awesome!

[RACEMX-M3]

WOW!!!!! Awesome time Scott!!! By the way what rims are you running to fit those tires?

I have RAC RG4's. They're hard to come by, but Wheel Experts now has something very comparable, weighs under 20 lbs, special offsets, etc..

[RACEMX-M3]

Post your G acceleration data and i can tell you exaclty where you are losing traction.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/M3bmwdrvr/BMW/vbox25acceldata.jpg

[gasser]

I have RAC RG4's. They're hard to come by, but Wheel Experts now has something very comparable, weighs under 20 lbs, special offsets, etc..

Congrats again Scott. I'll try and give you a call tomorrow. Also, what wheels does Wheel Experts carry that you are talking about? I am looking for a set of 18x10 rears to run a "big" drag radial on. :idea:

[RACEMX-M3]

Congrats again Scott. I'll try and give you a call tomorrow. Also, what wheels does Wheel Experts carry that you are talking about? I am looking for a set of 18x10 rears to run a "big" drag radial on. :idea:

Some of the newer wheels that are made for BMW's are not up on their website yet, I would suggest calling Peter at www.wheelexperts.com and I'm sure he can find something that will work for you.

[HPF Chris]

Some of the newer wheels that are made for BMW's are not up on their website yet, I would suggest calling Peter at www.wheelexperts.com and I'm sure he can find something that will work for you.

Also give David a call on Monday for comparison sake (503) 256-5600 X103. We can get you any wheel that exists and David will definitely hook you guys up on the pricing. David also knows all of the offsets, and the best tires to run, etc. etc.

Chris.

[HPF Chris]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/M3bmwdrvr/BMW/vbox25acceldata.jpg

Scott... Can you get the g-forces to show on the right edge so we can see what it maps to?

Thanks.
Chris.

[Ervin87]

Very nice. Wish you had a video with this as well. :)

[RACEMX-M3]

Scott... Can you get the g-forces to show on the right edge so we can see what it maps to?

Thanks.
Chris.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/M3bmwdrvr/BMW/vbox25acceldata2.jpg

[leletyM3]

Great times!!!

[Brian N]

I have RAC RG4's. They're hard to come by, but Wheel Experts now has something very comparable, weighs under 20 lbs, special offsets, etc..

Interesting. Will they have more info on there site soon becuase your RG4's :drool:.

[RACEMX-M3]

Interesting. Will they have more info on there site soon becuase your RG4's :drool:.

I assume they will, I've seen the wheels and they're very nice. I didn't realize HPF could source wheels - you may check with them for options as well.

[S54PWR]

Congrats Scott! Chris posted your place and who's behind you but not infront of you. I also added the Saleen S7 TT and Dr. Jitsu's 996 and the rest in front of you. You are faster than a 1 Liter bike and a hair off the Veyron after they calculated its 60-130mph. You are in more than just good company! :pimpin:


Thanks to Divexxtreme as I used his list and added in the HPF cars.



3.9 900+ rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, 30 psi, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
4.74 996TT 890 rwhp, Divexxtreme 2-shifts
4.9 - 940 rwhp Supra (35 psi)
5.1 - 840 rwhp Supra (30 psi)
5.4 - 1,000 rwhp TT Viper
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron (estimate based off of verified 100 - 200kph time of 4.8)
5.85 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2.5 (race + methanol) Scott W.
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
5.98 C5 Vette with big motor and NOS
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.69 Dr. Jitsu / 996 GT2 / 700 crank HP / 1-shift
6.86 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2 (race + methanol) Jim P.
6.90 McLaren F1
6.90 Mosler MT900S
7.00 Ferrari Enzo
7.03 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2.5 (pump gas only)
7.23 Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.30 Porsche Carrera GT
7.70 Ferrari 599 GTS Fiorano
7.86 Corvette C6 Z06
8.07 Lamborghini LP640
8.70 Nissan GT-R
8.86 Stock 997TT / 32 degrees, Tiptronic
9.10 993 Ruf R Turbo 490 HP / 2 shifts
9.30 Ferarri F40
9.30 Ferarri F50
9.40 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.50 Ferrari F430
10.06 996TT with ECU flash
10.90 Lamborghini Murcielago
11.70 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
12.10 Lamborghini Gallardo
12.90 BMW M3 - Dinan S3-R Supercharged
16.20 BMW M3 - stock

[Brian N]

I assume they will, I've seen the wheels and they're very nice. I didn't realize HPF could source wheels - you may check with them for options as well.

I see any idea of the name of the wheel company so I know what to ask/look for?

I really want some lightweight wheels and have been seaching/waiting for years. (2 years for the VMR forged line so far. :banghead:)

[RACEMX-M3]

I see any idea of the name of the wheel company so I know what to ask/look for?

I really want some lightweight wheels and have been seaching/waiting for years. (2 years for the VMR forged line so far. :banghead:)

I think WheelExperts had them custom fabricated, don't recall the brand name but if you ask for the new lightweight forged BMW wheels (tell them Scott with the DFW Auto Club sent you) they will know what you're looking for.

[SPDu4ea]

Holy smokes! I was thinking 5.99 might be an optimistic goal, but you just shattered that. Congrats Scott!

[TaZaM3]

Definitely losing some traction from 60 to about 80 mph. After that it looks good!

[xcoolnessx]

I can't wait to get my 2.5 back. whoooo hooooo thanks for the numbers scott!

[HPFMTRE]

I can't wait to get my 2.5 back. whoooo hooooo thanks for the numbers scott!

2.5!!! nice! cant wait for you to get some new kills with your new beast!

[RACEMX-M3]

Definitely losing some traction from 60 to about 80 mph. After that it looks good!

Thanks Taza.

I can't wait to get my 2.5 back. whoooo hooooo thanks for the numbers scott!

Yep the numbers say a lot but until you drive this thing... can't wait to hear your impressions.

2.5!!! nice! cant wait for you to get some new kills with your new beast!

I'm actually coordinating a new run with the famous Ford GT my buddy owns as we speak, if possible I will try to get some vids posted shortly. :)

[HPFMTRE]

I'm actually coordinating a new run with the famous Ford GT my buddy owns as we speak, if possible I will try to get some vids posted shortly. :)

you should do very nicely when you run he Ford GT again :4ngie:
nice new sig btw scott..hope to see you again at Mfest and bimmerfest!

and kevin you gotta run that white z06 for another re match haha

wow you guys are making me crazy i cant wait to get my car back!

[HPF Chris]

Cant wait to see the Ford GT results Scott.

I updated our site to include both yours and Jim's VBox runs. Here's a link..

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/productdescriptions/11037_hpf_m3_turbo_stg2vbox.asp#703

[MSpired]

Amazing times, especially on street tires!

And to all those people that thought an M3 couldn't break into the 4's (mostly against Taza).... This should prove them wrong

[RACEMX-M3]

Amazing times, especially on street tires!

And to all those people that thought an M3 couldn't break into the 4's (mostly against Taza).... This should prove them wrong

Thx bro,

The E46 M3 is proving to be one of the premier platforms for world class performance. With full traction I am sure HPF is fully capable of a sub 5.00 60-130 time. For now I'm happy to hang on to the title. :)

[andbecks]

Congrats Scott! Chris posted your place and who's behind you but not infront of you. I also added the Saleen S7 TT and Dr. Jitsu's 996 and the rest in front of you. You are faster than a 1 Liter bike and a hair off the Veyron after they calculated its 60-130mph. You are in more than just good company! :pimpin:


Thanks to Divexxtreme as I used his list and added in the HPF cars.



3.9 900+ rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, 30 psi, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
4.74 996TT 890 rwhp, Divexxtreme 2-shifts
4.9 - 940 rwhp Supra (35 psi)
5.1 - 840 rwhp Supra (30 psi)
5.4 - 1,000 rwhp TT Viper
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron (estimate based off of verified 100 - 200kph time of 4.8)
5.85 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2.5 (race + methanol) Scott W.
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
5.98 C5 Vette with big motor and NOS
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.69 Dr. Jitsu / 996 GT2 / 700 crank HP / 1-shift
6.86 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2 (race + methanol) Jim P.
6.90 McLaren F1
6.90 Mosler MT900S
7.00 Ferrari Enzo
7.03 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2.5 (pump gas only)
7.23 Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.30 Porsche Carrera GT
7.70 Ferrari 599 GTS Fiorano
7.86 Corvette C6 Z06
8.07 Lamborghini LP640
8.70 Nissan GT-R
8.86 Stock 997TT / 32 degrees, Tiptronic
9.10 993 Ruf R Turbo 490 HP / 2 shifts
9.30 Ferarri F40
9.30 Ferarri F50
9.40 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.50 Ferrari F430
10.06 996TT with ECU flash
10.90 Lamborghini Murcielago
11.70 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
12.10 Lamborghini Gallardo
12.90 BMW M3 - Dinan S3-R Supercharged
16.20 BMW M3 - stock


Congrats, absolutely fantastic time :bow:

[adamdifilippo]

Congrats Scott! Hopefully some day I will be up there with your company.

[I*do*Werke]

correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt the stage 4s be runnin hotter times?

[funkboy316]

correct me if im wrong, but wouldnt the stage 4s be runnin hotter times?

:facepalm:

[I*do*Werke]

yea i knew someone would facepalm me...
but can someone just explain. all of you guys were noobs at some point too

[BimmerDude18]

:facepalm:

[I*do*Werke]

yup im a noob.
stage 2.5 = amazing time
stage 3 and 4 = even more amazing time right?
i think that seems pretty self explanatory. unless there is no traction or something else like that

[///M3-QTR]

yup im a noob.
stage 2.5 = amazing time
stage 3 and 4 = even more amazing time right?
i think that seems pretty self explanatory. unless there is no traction or something else like that

If you have traction , then yes you're right :D

[mav909]

I knew it would be faster, but that's a significant improvement. Forget about cars... 5.85 is faster than the 2006 Yamaha R1 which does it in 5.9 sec. And on street tires w/19" wheels!!!!

Congrats.

Chris

Here's your place in line Scott...

60-130mph Times

5.85 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2.5 (race + methanol) Scott W.
6.86 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2 (race + methanol) Jim P.
6.90 McLaren F1
6.90 Mosler MT900S
7.00 Ferrari Enzo
7.03 BMW M3 with HPF Stage 2.5 (pump gas only)
7.23 Mercedes SLR McLaren
7.30 Porsche Carrera GT
7.70 Ferrari 599 GTS Fiorano
7.86 Corvette C6 Z06
8.07 Lamborghini LP640
8.70 Nissan GT-R
8.86 Stock 997TT / 32 degrees, Tiptronic
9.10 993 Ruf R Turbo 490 HP / 2 shifts
9.30 Ferarri F40
9.30 Ferarri F50
9.40 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.50 Ferrari F430
10.06 996TT with ECU flash
10.90 Lamborghini Murcielago
11.70 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
12.10 Lamborghini Gallardo
12.90 BMW M3 - Dinan S3-R Supercharged
16.20 BMW M3 - stock

if youd like somthing funnier to compare it too il time it in my car :)

[I*do*Werke]

If you have traction , then yes you're right :D

thanks for being awesome and not face-palming me

[BimmerDude18]

yup im a noob.
stage 2.5 = amazing time
stage 3 and 4 = even more amazing time right?
i think that seems pretty self explanatory. unless there is no traction or something else like that
Sorry, I was just being a dick earlier.

I think HPF actually got 5.05 in a Stage 3, and I doubt they've run a stage 4 car yet to see the time. But regardless, 70 mph gain FROM 60 in under 5 seconds should be expected, and will be NUTS.

[I*do*Werke]

and im guessing that they the boosted m3s dont do to well 0-60 because of traction issues?

[BimmerDude18]

Well, its not just that, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5, 5.0 seconds to 60 doesn't mean much in terms of the car, it means a lot in terms of the driver, and the traction the car can get, but the turbo cars have enough torque to blow the tires loose in second gear, first gear is useless without a LOT more grip.

Comparing cars at speed is a better way to compare track performance as well, as most tracks are in the 60-130 range.

[MSpired]

Sorry, I was just being a dick earlier.

I think HPF actually got 5.05 in a Stage 3, and I doubt they've run a stage 4 car yet to see the time. But regardless, 70 mph gain FROM 60 in under 5 seconds should be expected, and will be NUTS.

They havn't run the stage 3/havn't hit that time.

I remember Chris thinking that the stage 3's and above might not do as well in the 60-130 test due to more turbo lag. It would be interesting to see what the results would be...

[pastE36prsntE46]

Chris will run the widebody car at stage 3 levels with the OC Gilken LSD and hopes to be around the 5.2 range. Only time will tell. I can tell you I didnt get any times as my vbox didnt ship while I was home on leave but the stage 3 is STUPID fast :)

[I*do*Werke]

just throwing this out there, but how bout everyone just forgets about traction and we all make like the japanese and start drifting.:lmao: If you guys are running 500+ hp and can barely get traction, then i think you need to consider getting sideways:4ngie:

[BimmerDude18]

Yeah, I was basing it off the ad they had posted up and remembered the times incorrectly:

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/magazine/pasmag/NextAdLowRes.jpg

[TaZaM3]

They havn't run the stage 3/havn't hit that time.

I remember Chris thinking that the stage 3's and above might not do as well in the 60-130 test due to more turbo lag. It would be interesting to see what the results would be...

On the stage 3 turbo lag shouldnt effect it at all, stage 4 it might alittle. I know for my car i hit full boost at around 65mph in 3rd. So there is a little lag for the 60-130 test. But the power should overcome that and get a much lower time.

[BimmerDude18]

Does brake boosting help you much at all with preventing that lag?

[RACEMX-M3]

Does brake boosting help you much at all with preventing that lag?

Brake boosting will virtually eliminate turbo lag, but turbo lag is not the problem.

[DLSJ5]

Brake boosting will virtually eliminate turbo lag, but turbo lag is not the problem.

Your 60-130 is a flat out great time Bro. Please get some comparo's with those high HP 911's in Texas! Drjitsu, (Sean) 996TT, would be fun to see against you!

[bluewater87]

Brake boosting will virtually eliminate turbo lag, but turbo lag is not the problem.

what are the full spool rpms of the various hpf stages? that should help clear some things up for the noobs...

Yeah, I was basing it off the ad they had posted up and remembered the times incorrectly:

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/magazine/pasmag/NextAdLowRes.jpg

is there a recorded run of this 5.2 second stage 3? or is it just an estimate...

OP, when you get more traction try to get a vid as well. that would be sick!
Props!

[bluewater87]

dont mind this post

[RACEMX-M3]

what are the full spool rpms of the various hpf stages? that should help clear some things up for the noobs...



is there a recorded run of this 5.2 second stage 3? or is it just an estimate...

OP, when you get more traction try to get a vid as well. that would be sick!
Props!

Tons of videos of my car and others on youtube. :)

[ispeedm3]

THATS NOT FAIR!!!!



now i want stage 2.5 and or 3.


hey Rob, HPFMTRE

u planning on selling ur stg 3 anytime soon?

[SteelGray3]

THATS NOT FAIR!!!!



now i want stage 2.5 and or 3.


hey Rob, HPFMTRE

u planning on selling ur stg 3 anytime soon?

He JUST got it lol I doubt it.

[RACEMX-M3]

THATS NOT FAIR!!!!



now i want stage 2.5 and or 3.


hey Rob, HPFMTRE

u planning on selling ur stg 3 anytime soon?

What's not fair? If you have Stage 2 already the extra .5 shouldn't be hard to get. :)

[bluejeansonfire]

What's not fair? If you have Stage 2 already the extra .5 shouldn't be hard to get. :)

the .5 is the hardest part, imho. I'm doing the m54 stage julio.5....

have you gone to 200 yet?

nice pulls, btw

[BimmerDude18]

the .5 is the hardest part, imho. I'm doing the m54 stage julio.Higgs....

have you gone to 200 yet?

nice pulls, btwfixed

[bluejeansonfire]

fixed

lol