Companies that sell ebay headers as their own + $1k

[InterlagosMcoupe]

How can companies get away with this? Anyone know any other companies that do this? Personally I would never buy a dam thing from any company that did this, EVER.

Know any other companies that do this? Here's one:

http://www.evosport.com/product/proddetail.aspx?partnum=EVO.EXH.B46.H01

[///A]

yea, they just ceramic coated the generic headers and put an extra 1000 price tag :tsk:

[InterlagosMcoupe]

Here's a response to an email being called out on it:

i emailed evosport about the headers and this is their response.

Chad-

Thanks for your email.

I'm not sure where you heard that, but Evosport would NEVER sell any header and brand it as our own other than one that we designed and engineered ourselves. They are not (and have never been) eBay headers, copies of someone else's headers, or made in China or overseas. We designed, engineered and tested our own headers and they are made in the US.

Hope this helps!


I always thought evosport was supposed to be a relatively honest company? This is nothing but scamming.

[bluejeansonfire]

How can companies get away with this? Anyone know any other companies that do this? Personally I would never buy a dam thing from any company that did this, EVER.

Know any other companies that do this? Here's one:

http://www.evosport.com/product/proddetail.aspx?partnum=EVO.EXH.B46.H01

i think there was a really big name company that used to do this with nonm hedders, add a coating and put their own name on it, buying from east asia, direct. I don't think its so wrong. Maybe they can be more careful with quality control than the ebay sellers. What are they supposed to call it "ebay-make"? Its like the d-force wheel. D-force is a random name of a start-up wheel company that bought into it, when ltw-5s were first made, the factory that made it approached a bunch of bmw tuners to ask if they wanted to sell it as their own.

[madchef]

I must be missing something....can somebody explain to me why these are the same as ebay headers?

[InterlagosMcoupe]

I must be missing something....can somebody explain to me why these are the same as ebay headers?

Because they are ebay headers. How do you explain that two animals in a room are both gorillas?

[Born Again]

same reason why our own Forum Vendors jack up prices for ebay goods (CF parts,emblems, etc)

[plaroud]

Because they are ebay headers. How do you explain that two animals in a room are both gorillas?

wtf r u talking about? Where is your proof other than the picture?

[InterlagosMcoupe]

wtf r u talking about? Where is your proof other than the picture?

I'm going to assume that was a joke, though my experience on the internet warns me that you might actually be serious.

[madchef]

Because they are ebay headers. How do you explain that two animals in a room are both gorillas?
Oh mighty god of ebay headers, can you please come down to my lowly level and explain why they are the same?

Or, are we in for more of these oh so helpful answers

[mr.325i]

where is the wise Kpeng?

[Franxta]

wtf r u talking about? Where is your proof other than the picture?

Ok here are your options:

1) you buy some ceramic-coated metal pipes for $1300

2) you buy metal pipes for $200

Up to you...

[InterlagosMcoupe]

Oh mighty god of ebay headers, can you please come down to my lowly level and explain why they are the same?

Or, are we in for more of these oh so helpful answers

More helpful answers, use your eyes.

The design is the same, the flanges are the same (crappy thin junk), the welds are the same (monstrous bubble gum welds) Bung placement the same...


They are just the same... What the hell else is there to know? Seriously I don't understand how people don't understand. If something is the same it's the same, how do you quantify the same other then THEY ARE THE SAME

[bmwstephen]

i think there was a really big name company that used to do this with nonm hedders, add a coating and put their own name on it, buying from east asia, direct. I don't think its so wrong. Maybe they can be more careful with quality control than the ebay sellers. What are they supposed to call it "ebay-make"? Its like the d-force wheel. D-force is a random name of a start-up wheel company that bought into it, when ltw-5s were first made, the factory that made it approached a bunch of bmw tuners to ask if they wanted to sell it as their own.


more info on this please

[Jeffxxx]

Who cares? Be smarter than the average buyer. What I think is worse is when the product price is directly related to the cost of the vehicle. Look at the Vorsteiner line up, compare their CF hood for the E46 and one for E63. Almost double the price, don't think it's twice the size..Look at Brembo, compare a kit for a Nissan 350z and our cars. The list goes on. Money > brains.

[SPDu4ea]

How can companies get away with this? Anyone know any other companies that do this? Personally I would never buy a dam thing from any company that did this, EVER.

Know any other companies that do this? Here's one:

http://www.evosport.com/product/proddetail.aspx?partnum=EVO.EXH.B46.H01


Which ebay headers are you claiming are the same as evosport? I just checked the 5 different versions selling on ebay, and none of them are the same as evosport's (locations of welds, etc)

[plaroud]

Ok here are your options:

1) you buy some ceramic-coated metal pipes for $1300

2) you buy metal pipes for $200

Up to you...

I actually have the JVT headers or what ever they are called, $220:pimpin:

[Veritas]

More helpful answers, use your eyes.

The design is the same, the flanges are the same (crappy thin junk), the welds are the same (monstrous bubble gum welds) Bung placement the same...


They are just the same... What the hell else is there to know? Seriously I don't understand how people don't understand. If something is the same it's the same, how do you quantify the same other then THEY ARE THE SAME

They are different actually. If you were to have them both and compare them you can tell the differences. I have personally held both and actually have the JVT/Ebay headers on my car, and IMO the JVT/Ebay headers are better quality. The inside of the Evosport have a lip on the inside where the header meets section one where the weld is in the picture, and the JVT/Ebay headers do not have that, the Evosport headers actually restrict some flow because of this.

[AzN_M5]

Umm...I have the Evosport headers and they are anything but junk. Fitment is perfect, the design is top notch, the ceramic coating serves a purpose. Metal is not just metal, all welds are not done equally, etc.

What if I showed you a picture of an E46 323 coupe that had it's rear fenders widened, replaced the front bumper, sideskirts, hood, rear bumper, mirrors etc. If side by side with an M3, they'd look the exact same...does that make the 323 an M3?

[kpeng]

A lot of companies do this, and it's not limited to headers. The entire lighting market is like that, exterior pieces, etc. It's called business and marketing. Get over it.

Educate yourself, know what's what and where it comes from, and that's the best you can do. Avoid getting duped into the game of capitalism.

[spikester550]

kpeng to the rescue!!!!!!!!! :rofl:

[SPDu4ea]

More helpful answers, use your eyes.

The design is the same, the flanges are the same (crappy thin junk), the welds are the same (monstrous bubble gum welds) Bung placement the same...


They are just the same... What the hell else is there to know? Seriously I don't understand how people don't understand. If something is the same it's the same, how do you quantify the same other then THEY ARE THE SAME

JVT:
http://www.bluetechautohaus.com/images/tr/images/products/New3/JVTHDS-BMWE46M3-1.gif

Evosport:
http://www.evosport.com/images/product/exhaust/evosport/evo_s54header_001.jpg


Differences:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6552/evos54header001ms8.jpg


[ ] welds are the same

[ ] bung placement/angles are the same

[X] different headers

[kpeng]

This is turning into the Special Olympics.

Here's an idea: Don't buy them if you don't trust them.

[monkeyjuice5150]

OG, you're fu cking stupid. Have you ever thought that maybe Evo did design their own Headers. Later which China/Taiwanese got their hand on one and reproduce it for cheaper or close to it? As per pics provided above.

Same goes to Hamann, ACS, Reiger, etc etc parts. They're copy over in taiwn/china with cheaper material/labor.

[kpeng]

OG, you're fu cking stupid. Have you ever thought that maybe Evo did design their own Headers. Later which China/Taiwanese got their hand on one and reproduce it for cheaper or close to it? As per pics provided above.

Same goes to Hamann, ACS, Reiger, etc etc parts. They're copy over in taiwn/china with cheaper material/labor.

That's impossible Hung! You're a genius! I don't know how you think about common sense things like this. Gosh, I would of NEVER thought of that!!!

[monkeyjuice5150]

That's impossible Hung! You're a genius! I don't know how you think about common sense things like this. Gosh, I would of NEVER thought of that!!!

And yes, in some cases some company do resell taiwanese products as their own.

OG should do his HW before bashing. IMO

[InterlagosMcoupe]

JVT:
http://www.bluetechautohaus.com/images/tr/images/products/New3/JVTHDS-BMWE46M3-1.gif

Evosport:
http://www.evosport.com/images/product/exhaust/evosport/evo_s54header_001.jpg


Differences:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6552/evos54header001ms8.jpg


[ ] welds are the same

[ ] bung placement/angles are the same

[X] different headers


Half of what you circles is the same on both headers, the only difference is the dimple, and what you didn't notice, one of the bungs is shorter.

Having welds in different places doesn't mean anything.

Ebay headers being around longer then these also sort of ruins some of your conclusions :rolleyes:

[A55A55IN]

I actually have the JVT headers or what ever they are called, $220:pimpin:

how do you like them? How was the fitment, gains, etc....

[Brembo_RaceTech]

Who cares? Be smarter than the average buyer. What I think is worse is when the product price is directly related to the cost of the vehicle. Look at the Vorsteiner line up, compare their CF hood for the E46 and one for E63. Almost double the price, don't think it's twice the size..Look at Brembo, compare a kit for a Nissan 350z and our cars. The list goes on. Money > brains.

Actually Brembo does not fit into your example at all...

CLICK HERE - Current Brembo Application and Price Guide (http://www.racetechnologies.com/articles1-1/NEW2008BremboGTBigBrakeCatalogAndPricelist)

The 14" 4-piston for the Nissan 350Z (part# 1B1.8032A) = $3495
The 14" 4-piston for the BMW ///M3 (part# 1B1.8015A) = $3495

The 14" 6-piston Monobloc for the 350Z (part# 1M1.8024A) = $3695
The 14" 6-piston Monobloc for the ///M3 (part# 1M1.8008A) = $3695

The only variation in pricing between models for similarly described brake kits would be a couple of our Ferrari brake applications. While Ferrari owners may feel slighted that they are paying more for their brake systems, the pricing variance is based on the MUCH lower production quantities, with the engineering and tooling costs being divided between a much lower production run.

We sell (10) 14" 4-piston ///M3 kits for ever (1) or (2) 14" Ferrari F360 kits, and it's still only a $300 difference.

Higher:
The 14" 4-piston for the BMW ///M3 (part# 1B1.8015A) = $3495
The 14" 4-piston for the Ferrari 360 (part# 1B1.8034A) = $3795

We sell about (5) 15" 6-piston E92 M3 kits for every (2) 15" 6-piston F430 kits

Equal:
The 15" 6-piston Monobloc for the E92 ///M3 (part# 1M1.9003A) = $4250
The 15" 6-piston Monobloc for the Ferrari F430 (part# 1M1.9008A) = $4250


Vorsteiner's issue may very well be similar as I see (20) carbon M3 hoods for every (1) M5 hood.

And you can't judge the EVOSport headers until you can physically compare them side by side, and NOT just by photos.

Many times the part you buy from E-bay does not match the image they post in their add.
Other times they are a blatant copy or imitation of the higher quality part.
And, if there is some small chance they come from the same manufacturing house, the manufacturer may be abusing the fact that they do not have an exclusive contract with the original vendor. They could be selling blems, or second run parts that do not meet the standards required by the designing vendor.

Not to mention the low level of support you get from e-bay vendors and the lack of customer service.
There should be more emphasis on the value of a purchase in terms of customer support, confidence, warranty & guarantee's, and human interaction than simply the landed cost of very similarly looking items just to save a few bucks. I'm sure you'll need a calculator to add all of the unsatisfied e-bay transactions, while you can use one hand when it comes to physical shops with storefronts, employees, insurance, payroll, and all the overhead you incur with a real business.

[InterlagosMcoupe]

OG, you're fu cking stupid. Have you ever thought that maybe Evo did design their own Headers. Later which China/Taiwanese got their hand on one and reproduce it for cheaper or close to it? As per pics provided above.

Same goes to Hamann, ACS, Reiger, etc etc parts. They're copy over in taiwn/china with cheaper material/labor.

Ebay headers are crappy replicas of first generation Supersprint headers, Supersprint were released a long time ago, as were ebay headers. :shhh:

Evosport headers were "designed" and "released" early 06 AFAICT, so yea ebay headers just happened to mimic Evosports design years in advance. :loco:

Even if they aren't sourced from the same place as ebay headers, all they would be is a knockoff of first generation Supersprint headers. :banghead:


So you guys can defend them all you want, any facet you choose = a very shitty business practice.

[TxZHP04]

Sounds to me like someone here has a personal vendetta against Evosport.

[kpeng]

:facepalm:

[InterlagosMcoupe]

Sounds to me like someone here has a personal vendetta against Evosport.

Against any company who makes a buck by cheating people, yes.

[kpeng]

Their M50 manifold adapter kits are overpriced as well.

No one buys from Evosport anymore anyways...

[habbyguy]

Half of what you circles is the same on both headers, the only difference is the dimple, and what you didn't notice, one of the bungs is shorter.

Having welds in different places doesn't mean anything.

Ebay headers being around longer then these also sort of ruins some of your conclusions :rolleyes:

If anyone would bother looking at the photos, it would be obvious that they are NOT the same headers. Look at the design of the collector around the 3-into-1 sections. On the Ebay headers, the lower pipes slip INSIDE the collector, and on the EVT headers they slip OVER the collector. Add to that the obvious difference in the dimensions between the pipes above and below the collectors (and in the collectors themselves) and it's really hard to imagine how one company producing both products would introduce SO many changes between two otherwise similar products.

That's not to say that it's impossible that they're both produced in the same factory - but I can't imagine why anyone who was going to produce both sets of headers would totally change the design from one set to the other.

Bottom line - different headers, different factory.

[InterlagosMcoupe]

If anyone would bother looking at the photos, it would be obvious that they are NOT the same headers. Look at the design of the collector around the 3-into-1 sections. On the Ebay headers, the lower pipes slip INSIDE the collector, and on the EVT headers they slip OVER the collector. Add to that the obvious difference in the dimensions between the pipes above and below the collectors (and in the collectors themselves)

You must be blind. None of what you just said is correct. Look again.

Clearly these collectors are different :loco:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2549/collectorff3.jpg


Ebay headers are crappy replicas of first generation Supersprint headers, Supersprint were released a long time ago, as were ebay headers. :shhh:

Evosport headers were "designed" and "released" early 06 AFAICT, so yea ebay headers just happened to mimic Evosports design years in advance. :loco:

Even if they aren't sourced from the same place as ebay headers, all they would be is a knockoff of first generation Supersprint headers. :banghead:


So you guys can defend them all you want, any facet you choose = a very shitty business practice.

[habbyguy]

You must be blind. None of what you just said is correct. Look again.

Clearly these collectors are different :loco:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2549/collectorff3.jpg

I think anyone can look at the photos and see that I'm correct (collectors being of entirely different designs, for example). If that's beyond your capabilities, then I'm sorry (for you, that is).

[boosted323]

Your are a ****in idiot. You are bashing a respectable company that you know nothing about except speculations?? Evosport is a great company as well as many other manufacturers. You think they have been in business for this long from selling bull shiit products? If thats the case I guess AA, evosport, supersprint, technik, and AP are all the same. Take your head out of your ass.:slap:

[bluejeansonfire]

I have a theory about this thread: markup is disallowed and john will be happy. First, restrict capitalism so sellers are only allowed so much markup before resale. John, you happy?

[boosted323]

I totally agree that the price for headers are very overpriced, but to say that they are generic headers with thier name slapped on them is a complete lie. I have seen these headers made in person. VAC actually manufacturers many products for a lot of large companys, and the quality of their **** is top notch. I had ebay headers and they cracked in 3 weeks. Now I have AA and have had no problems at all.

Bluejeansonfire: sorry for not getting back to you sooner for the pics on e46nonm. I was in Florida for the past week. But I really want to be part of the site and set an album up once i get my car back from surgery.

[InterlagosMcoupe]

I think anyone can look at the photos and see that I'm correct (collectors being of entirely different designs, for example). If that's beyond your capabilities, then I'm sorry (for you, that is).

Those are the same, for an example of a different collector look at agency power headers, same basic design but a different collector. Or look at AA headers or Supersprint headers, all three have different collectors. The three in the pic above are the same however. :banghead:

[InterlagosMcoupe]

How bout this, if you feel so strongly that they are different fine, I don't feel like going through anymore trouble to convince you. For the rest of the people, be weary of underhanded actions.

[TxZHP04]

How bout this, if you feel so strongly that they are different fine, I don't feel like going through anymore trouble to convince you. For the rest of the people, be weary of underhanded actions.

As long as you're always around to educate us, I'm sure we'll be just fine. :rolleyes:

[kpeng]

I wipe myself.

[madchef]

More helpful answers, use your eyes.

The design is the same, the flanges are the same (crappy thin junk), the welds are the same (monstrous bubble gum welds) Bung placement the same...


They are just the same... What the hell else is there to know? Seriously I don't understand how people don't understand. If something is the same it's the same, how do you quantify the same other then THEY ARE THE SAME
Ah ok, so kind of like how the way you act is the same as this:
http://stuffblackpeoplehate.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/donkey.jpg

Got it now thanks.

ps they are different, get over it, better luck next time

[Veritas]

How bout this, if you feel so strongly that they are different fine, I don't feel like going through anymore trouble to convince you. For the rest of the people, be weary of underhanded actions.

They are different, plain and simple. I am not sure why you are so set on convincing others that they are the same when they are not. There have been multiple people that have stated in this thread they are different and pointed them out to you. Keep thinking they are the same, but they are DIFFERENT!!!!

[SPDu4ea]

They are different, plain and simple. I am not sure why you are so set on convincing others that they are the same when they are not. There have been multiple people that have stated in this thread they are different and pointed them out to you. Keep thinking they are the same, but they are DIFFERENT!!!!

OP is a JVT ebay seller me thinks...

[Boosted_ZHP]

:facepalm:

[kpeng]

Once again...I repeat...






I wipe myself.