Just Got Back From the Gun Show (Again)

[glockman9c]

WOW!

You talk about nuts. A hour wait just to get in. Anyway, a lot going on. Wall to wall people.

Some good deals, some not so good deals, some rip offs.

I walked the show and caught up with my "go to" guys and they hooked me up with a few new toys. I saved around $500 off retail total. :thumbsup:


Glock 19 with nightsights. Yea, I already have a few 19s a some other models, but come on, you cant have too many Glocks. I just opened my 15 year old 19 the other day and it looks brand new with basically no real care to it. I am sold for life. Get em while you can.:4ngie:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/glock/glock_19.jpg

Ruger Hunter 7" .22 Mark III - Yea baby. :woot: The staple of target shooting (under $1000)

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ruger-mark-iii-hunter-pistol-22lr.jpg

Smith and Wesson 638 Airweight .38+P Revolver (The bullets weigh more than the gun.) It literally weighs half as much loaded as the smallest Glock. :yikes:

http://guns4u.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/163070_large.jpg

Picked up 2000 rounds of .22 high velocity for my new toy and some other stuff. Overall a good show.

I almost picked up a bullet proof vest, but I forgot about it after walking the show. :rofl:

PS - There were AR-15s, mags, accessories available. They were not cheap, but not 2 or 3 times original retail either. Nice $900-$1000 ARs were going for like $1200-$1500.

I picked up some ammo and stuff. Overall, good show for me.

[budman]

I am torn between buying the Glock 26 or the H&K P2000SK

[budman]

I like the S&W too.. I was looking at the 638

[JByron]

So what was the consensus among the gun guys about where this country is headed as far as rights are concerned?

[glockman9c]

:rofl:

I gotta stop reading your threads... Im about to go pickup a Glock

I am torn between buying the Glock 26 or the H&K P2000SK

As you know, I have an HK45 and its nice, but I love my Glocks. The 26 is hard to beat and if you are going to wear it (not pocket) then you put a 15 round mag in and it gives you your pinky area and 15 rounds. 15 rounds in a subcompact!

I also find it harder and much more expensive to find HK mags, accessories, etc.

I went to buy a Walther PPS NOT a Glock. Felt real nice, just couldnt deal with paying more than a Glock and had problems pulling it out of my pocket because its taller than the Glock26 I use as a pocket gun. Their rep is 80/20 so I thought hard.

I looked at everything before and during the show. I looked at a Kahr, but their rep is 50/50 at best.

I thought about another KelTec but in 9mm but honestly, my .380 kinda scares me. Their rep is 50/50 at best.

I looked at the XDs, not much different than Glock, why change. Everyone tries to say how its as good as Glock. Great, then whats wrong with Glock?

I wanted a SLIM 9mm in a Glock 26 size. Does not exist.

Then I thought about my SP101 Ruger .357 and how it was fine but too heavy. The LCR is too new and the LCP is recalled. Smith had the answer. .38s are no joke and 5 rounds is better than nothing. Thinner overall than a glock and light as can be. No safety and not one in the chamber. We will see.

But yea, Glocks are just so darn hard to beat overall. Especially with the magazines and accessories available. I must have 50 mags now that fit all my 9mm glocks regardless of model ranging from 10-33 rounds. Just hard too beat.

I almost bought a Taurus Judge. lol. It is just cool. But common sense said "you need to slow down here son."

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/taurus-judge-410-3-inch-2.gif

[glockman9c]

I like the S&W too.. I was looking at the 638

Actually, I bought a 638 (typo).

:thumbsup:

[learthworml]

WOW!

You talk about nuts. A hour wait just to get in. Anyway, a lot going on. Wall to wall people.

Some good deals, some not so good deals, some rip offs.

I walked the show and caught up with my "go to" guys and they hooked me up with a few new toys. I saved around $500 off retail total. :thumbsup:


Glock 19 with nightsights. Yea, I already have a few 19s a some other models, but come on, you cant have too many Glocks. I just opened my 15 year old 19 the other day and it looks brand new with basically no real care to it. I am sold for life. Get em while you can.:4ngie:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/glock/glock_19.jpg

Ruger Hunter 7" .22 Mark III - Yea baby. :woot: The staple of target shooting (under $1000)

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ruger-mark-iii-hunter-pistol-22lr.jpg

Smith and Wesson 638 Airweight .38+P Revolver (The bullets weigh more than the gun.) It literally weighs half as much loaded as the smallest Glock. :yikes:

http://guns4u.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/163070_large.jpg

Picked up 2000 rounds of .22 high velocity for my new toy and some other stuff. Overall a good show.

I almost picked up a bullet proof vest, but I forgot about it after walking the show. :rofl:

PS - There were AR-15s, mags, accessories available. They were not cheap, but not 2 or 3 times original retail either. Nice $900-$1000 ARs were going for like $1200-$1500.

I picked up some ammo and stuff. Overall, good show for me.

Nice! Just curious, but why do you have so many Glock 19's?

[VaderDave]

I almost bought a Taurus Judge. lol. It is just cool. But common sense said "you need to slow down here son."

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/taurus-judge-410-3-inch-2.gif

Someone posted a promotional video for the Judge here a while ago. Was it you? That seemed like a pretty solid self-defense/anti-carjacker gun.

[bimmerfan08]

Glockman are you just a gun collector and/or shooter or do you hunt too?

[learthworml]

zombies

AR-15's are better for zombies:4ngie:

[beingdevious]

AR-15's are better for zombies:4ngie:

if zombies break out. im going to find glockman..

ill bring food. i promise :)

[jacques chirac]

Any thoughts about the new Ruger SR9 ?? Seem to be a great gun.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8427/80958971.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=80958971.jpg)

[bimmerbum46]

if zombies break out. im going to find glockman..

ill bring food. i promise :)

+1

Ill bring the IED's :eeps:

[Mishka1]

omg :drool::drool::drool::drool::drool: i fkin love glocks!

[M3LTDOWN]

How much bigger do those guns make your pen1s? :eeps:

[CRZY BMW]

Any thoughts about the new Ruger SR9 ?? Seem to be a great gun.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8427/80958971.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=80958971.jpg)

Your French. You cant own a gun, let alone known how to use it...

j/k :eeps:

[Rush4theYehO]

Any thoughts about the new Ruger SR9 ?? Seem to be a great gun.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8427/80958971.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=80958971.jpg)

Not a fan. Shot one awhile back....its trying to combine characteristics of Glocks, M&P's and XD's into one gun. Only problem is it fails at all of it, combining the flaws of each one, sadly.

Rugers best guns are their .22's and the GP101 revolver. The GP is built like a friggin tank, and is awesome.

I'm a glock guy myself, and if I could only have 1 handgun it'd be the glock 19. They are THAT good. Sigs, HK's, S&W's have come and gone from my collection but the 19 stays.

[cleankutazn]

Damn so how much have you spent on guns

[glockman9c]

Damn so how much have you spent on guns

:shhh:

[bimmerfan08]

Glockman are you just a gun collector and/or shooter or do you hunt too?

:shhh:

:)

[ken@bimmertools]

I'm both freaked out and fascinated by guns (weapons in general). I've never fired a gun, and I'm not sure I want to.

BUT.

These threads always get my attention, and I love seeing photos and descriptions of well built machines like these. I've always liked the look of the Glocks, and I have never ever read a bad thing about them (as a product).

Note that I'm not 'freaked out' by guns in a 'liberal' anti-gun way - moreso in a "Jesus, I could kill someone with this" kind of way. And, my 'fascination' with them is definitely as a collector and in appreciation of well built tools.

Ken

[bimmerfan08]

I'm both freaked out and fascinated by guns (weapons in general). I've never fired a gun, and I'm not sure I want to.

BUT.

These threads always get my attention, and I love seeing photos and descriptions of well built machines like these. I've always liked the look of the Glocks, and I have never ever read a bad thing about them (as a product).

Note that I'm not 'freaked out' by guns in a 'liberal' anti-gun way - moreso in a "Jesus, I could kill someone with this" kind of way. And, my 'fascination' with them is definitely as a collector and in appreciation of well built tools.

Ken

You should fire a gun, its not as bad once you get past the sound, recoil, and you learn the safety of firearms. I clay target shoot for fun and enjoy it.

[glockman9c]

I'm both freaked out and fascinated by guns (weapons in general). I've never fired a gun, and I'm not sure I want to.

BUT.

These threads always get my attention, and I love seeing photos and descriptions of well built machines like these. I've always liked the look of the Glocks, and I have never ever read a bad thing about them (as a product).

Note that I'm not 'freaked out' by guns in a 'liberal' anti-gun way - moreso in a "Jesus, I could kill someone with this" kind of way. And, my 'fascination' with them is definitely as a collector and in appreciation of well built tools.

Ken

It is not a responsibility to be taken lightly. Guys are joke around in here about guns and stuff, but I am sure they take it more seriously in the real world. I do.

Yes, you could take someone's life, but you could also save someone's life. That is how I look at it. You walk into a laundry mat and 3 guys are raping a girl. What do you do? Now what do you do with 15 rounds of 9mm in your hand?

Guns are serious business. Think about it though, the last time you were speeding or not coming to a complete stop at a red light, did you think to yourself "wow - I could have killed someone today" ?

Respect, training, comfort, and responsibility are needed for gun ownship just like they are needed for driving a 3000lb missle 70 mph that wont stop for 150ft.

JMHO

[Reedo302]

Still waiting on my G34 that's on order. Now I REALLY can't wait... :excited:

[glockman9c]

Still waiting on my G34 that's on order. Now I REALLY can't wait... :excited:

The had some 34 comps there. I cant afford the ammo to make that my target pistol, so I got the Ruger .22

The G19s are in such high demand they had to ship a shipment from Austria without the American markings. Pretty neat.

[ken@bimmertools]

It is not a responsibility to be taken lightly. Guys are joke around in here about guns and stuff, but I am sure they take it more seriously in the real world. I do.

Yes, you could take someone's life, but you could also save someone's life. That is how I look at it. You walk into a laundry mat and 3 guys are raping a girl. What do you do? Now what do you do with 15 rounds of 9mm in your hand?

Guns are serious business. Think about it though, the last time you were speeding or not coming to a complete stop at a red light, did you think to yourself "wow - I could have killed someone today" ?

Respect, training, comfort, and responsibility are needed for gun ownship just like they are needed for driving a 3000lb missle 70 mph that wont stop for 150ft.

JMHO

Short of the vigilante portion of your post, I agree 100%. I am quite pro-gun ownership, and even more so for people who are as serious as the hobby demands. I think my in-born unease with guns is that (in general) their purpose is to injure or kill. Again - I don't have a problem with that purpose - they are necessary tools sometimes, whether hunting or self defense. The only thing stopping me from wanting to own a gun myself is the root unease I have with the power to kill.

I also agree that driving bears the same responsibility. You can easily kill as quickly with a car as with a gun, but the car itself was not built for that purpose. I didn't buy a car with that intent, nor would I take a car to a facility and practice driving it into targets shaped like a torso. Accidents happen, and I am comfortable with the responsibility of due care.

Understand that I'm not arguing the point about guns being more dangerous than cars, just trying to verbalize my PERSONAL feelings and visceral reaction to them. It is truly just a 'nervous' thing, and not about a "guns are bad" platform.

[glockman9c]

Short of the vigilante portion of your post, I agree 100%. I am quite pro-gun ownership, and even more so for people who are as serious as the hobby demands. I think my in-born unease with guns is that (in general) their purpose is to injure or kill. Again - I don't have a problem with that purpose - they are necessary tools sometimes, whether hunting or self defense. The only thing stopping me from wanting to own a gun myself is the root unease I have with the power to kill.

I also agree that driving bears the same responsibility. You can easily kill as quickly with a car as with a gun, but the car itself was not built for that purpose. I didn't buy a car with that intent, nor would I take a car to a facility and practice driving it into targets shaped like a torso. Accidents happen, and I am comfortable with the responsibility of due care.

Understand that I'm not arguing the point about guns being more dangerous than cars, just trying to verbalize my PERSONAL feelings and visceral reaction to them. It is truly just a 'nervous' thing, and not about a "guns are bad" platform.

I dont consider stoping someone from getting robbed, raped, or killed a vigilante act. Its legal, expected, and sometimes required by law. Besides helping others, unfortunately, it is still needed in this day and age to protect your family and yourself.

Sometimes, there is nothing else that will do.

Dont get me wrong, I respect your caution. If more people were more cautious and responsible, guns would not have to black cloud stigma that they do.

[glockman9c]

Thought I would share some interesting posts on GunBlast...


Love your site, I'm concerned that Hallie says that Bobbies don't carry guns, this is false, we have armed response units in the UK and armed police in our airports etc, wherever they are needed. Increasingly they are forced to carry anti stab vests as knife crime has soared there, 5 needless deaths a week average. Since hand guns have been banned, gun crime has risen in the UK, they have even had to set up OPERATION TRIDENT to deal with the unusual level of violence from a certain section of our male youth, the only people using hand guns are the criminals, sometimes even better armed than the police. The good news is the majority of the time it is to wipe each other out, but still proof that handgun bans don't work.

Our Olympic team has to travel abroad to train, PC gone mad and yet no reduction in crime, just the punishment of law abiding citizens that the government doesn't trust even if they do win medals. Women may not even have mace, a pen knife or a sharpened comb in their handbag as should they kill their attacker and that would mean they (the woman) had premeditated killing someone.

I had enough and moved to a European country that allows me to keep firearms at home and in the car if not on my person, but only after a years worth of paperwork, medical approval (yearly) and gun club attendance, my neighbours questioned by the police as to if they have any objections, paperwork controls every 3 months, a limit of 7 central fire handguns/semi autos/ex military calibre bolt actions inclusive submitted for authorisation again every 3 years with the police (a 6 month process).

This country has less gun deaths than the UK for an equal population, Criminals here don't buy guns legally, they don't do paperwork, intruders KNOW that there is at least a shotgun under the bed of the vast majority of homes, we have the legal right to shoot them within our house if they are carrying a gun and refuse to leave, we may not shoot someone in the back, fair enough, we may not shoot someone with a knife, but then would he hang around faced with a 12 gauge or a 300 win mag? Shooting someone means sitting in jail until proven innocent and probably banned from having guns thereafter, but importantly still alive.

Even if my new government was to go English on us, hunting rifles will never be banned, and we will at least sleep at night knowing that we have the right to protect our own lives, something that has been stolen from the English because the human rights of the aggressor must be guarded and that keeping that first world war bayonet or a kitchen knife next to the bed means that you are just waiting to murder the first innocent burglar/rapist in the course of his work.

Jesus loves life, the martyrs and He gave their lives for our sins but I would rather ask Him forgiveness for defending mine and my neighbours and winning.

Keep fighting for your rights, they are quashed only too easily.

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Hi Jeff, I wanted to mention that when I read your comments page I was a bit ashamed at the other Australian who raised the pro gun control issue - so I thought I should contribute to your outstanding website.

As a Australian who lived in the USA for 2 great years I came from a background filled with media rubbish about the USA. Hard line stuff - with the only information available to me being shootings and mass murderings and right to carry issues - which if you believed the hype - meant that every American citizen was a gun carrying nutbag who would shoot you for any reason. (hence your other writers views)

Nothing could have prepared me for what I found in the America - a nation of freedom loving people who were amazingly generous and intelligent - who didn't understand the word "No". The USA is the last place in the world with true freedom who people appreciate personal responsibility for their actions.

I never felt safer in any other country than I did in America, I have experienced far more crime and antagonist behaviour in Australia then at any time in the USA. And its because you have more respect for each other as a result of being one of the only places in the world where freedoms are a part of your rock solid law.

The other "Australian" who mentioned school shootings and violence forgets the fact that so much world wide attention was given and that a school is one of the last places in America where a mentally sick person can be assured of meeting no armed resistance - which is why they do not attack peoples homes or police stations - because their run for glory will be cut very short.

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I thought those were interesting comments from non-Americans.

[ken@bimmertools]

I dont consider stoping someone from getting robbed, raped, or killed a vigilante act. Its legal, expected, and sometimes required by law. Besides helping others, unfortunately, it is still needed in this day and age to protect your family and yourself.


I agree, though a carry permit is several lightyears beyond consideration when you're speaking to someone like me who's got trepidations about basic ownership. Protecting my home and family would be the sole reason for it (aside from the potential sport of target shooting), which brings up a whole new avenue for my personal paranoia to go screaming down.

For now, I'll admire from a distance. I respect your dedication to the topic and hobby, and hope you never have to use your weapons for anything but sport. Or zombies, of course.

[david05111]

I'm thinking of heading to that show right now actually...I might wanna pick up a Glock while I'm there and I definitly need ammo. How does stuff work at a gunshow if your still waiting on your CCW though? Do they send the gun to your FFL for the 3 day period or what?

[ken@bimmertools]

I will tell you that there will come a day when I want to go to the range or try trap shooting. I know SO many gun owners and enthusiasts that have offered the same thing (thanks for that, btw). One of my clients is a BIG TIME hunter. Like, he's held the world championship for pigeon shoot competitions for several years. He has a very large barn that is dedicated to his big game collection. He goes on at least one "expedition" each year for something crazy.

I told him I'd never fired a gun, he looked at me and said "Well that's just silly." Part of me agrees.

He then offered to buy me a "little girl's shotgun" with fringes and a bell on it.

AND - I have no fear of accidental discharge or any sort of unintentional shooting. The true basis of the fear is that little in-born nature that sets your mind thinking "If I point this at that person and pull the trigger, I will kill him." This is different than the thought "I WANT to kill that person". To me, the feeling is much like being in any other dangerous situation and realizing that with a single conscious decision, I can exact damage or death on myself or someone else - think being on a roof, tall ladder, scuba diving, anything that can give you (or me) shivers due to the required caution. Driving doesn't do that to me, so I don't equate that situation to this.

Again, this has been me trying to describe my own personal, difficult-to-rationalize freak-factor when it comes to guns. I realize I'd get over it with experience and training - and aside from not needing a 129087123987th distraction or hobby, I can see doing that one day.

[glockman9c]

I'm thinking of heading to that show right now actually...I might wanna pick up a Glock while I'm there and I definitly need ammo. How does stuff work at a gunshow if your still waiting on your CCW though? Do they send the gun to your FFL for the 3 day period or what?

Yea, you might not get a good deal after all that. Shipping, your FFL fee, etc.

One single purchases like that, sometimes its better to make friends with your local gun store/range.

Call your local stores first. $500 is a good price for a common Glock. (17,19,22,23)

PS - The shows comes to Jax...

City: Jacksonville, FL
Location: Jacksonville Fairgrounds
Date: April 25 - 26, 2009

Show Hours: Sat 9-5 Sun 10-5
Entry Fee: $8

[Rush4theYehO]

Wow, page 2 is srs bsns.

Ken - You have the proper mindset about guns. Most people start off with a natural fear of them, it's only rational. After you shoot, and get familiarized with them is when you start understanding their purpose/use. The fear of a Negligent Discharge (ND) combined with the mindset of "i could kill someone with this" is the proper one to have when handling firearms anyways. When you get the opportunity, go out and pull the trigger sometime. You won't regret it.

[david05111]

Yea, you might not get a good deal after all that. Shipping, your FFL fee, etc.

One single purchases like that, sometimes its better to make friends with your local gun store/range.

Call your local stores first. $500 is a good price for a common Glock. (17,19,22,23)

PS - The shows comes to Jax...

City: Jacksonville, FL
Location: Jacksonville Fairgrounds
Date: April 25 - 26, 2009

Show Hours: Sat 9-5 Sun 10-5
Entry Fee: $8

I went to the show since I was in Daytona already. I have to say that I was not impressed in the slightest and didn't find a single deal to my liking. The ammo was grossly overpriced beyond what I can get it at the range or down the street at my local FFL and there were no really good deals on firearms. The prices they were asking for the Glocks were an absolute joke (some guy wanted 600+ for a Glock 30 (.45 acp).

It was a cool trip, but I was very disappointed...in fact, the only thing I got close to buying was a Benelli M4 shotty but they were fairly uncooperative during negotiations.

[jacques chirac]

Your French. You cant own a gun, let alone known how to use it...

j/k :eeps:

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I have shot several handguns. I can own a gun, I have just to practice shooting for one year before buying the first.

I am french but I Do Know the difference between you're and your.

[jacques chirac]

surrender monkey is kidding

[russ330]

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I have shot several handguns. I can own a gun, I have just to practice shooting for one year before buying the first.

I am french but I Do Know the difference between you're and your.

:rofl: Nice

[glockman9c]

I went to the show since I was in Daytona already. I have to say that I was not impressed in the slightest and didn't find a single deal to my liking. The ammo was grossly overpriced beyond what I can get it at the range or down the street at my local FFL and there were no really good deals on firearms. The prices they were asking for the Glocks were an absolute joke (some guy wanted 600+ for a Glock 30 (.45 acp).

It was a cool trip, but I was very disappointed...in fact, the only thing I got close to buying was a Benelli M4 shotty but they were fairly uncooperative during negotiations.

You went to the one in Orlando today?

If so, I dunno.

I paid way under MSRP for all three guns (had printouts with me) and paid within 10% of internet pricing for ammo.

Of course, there will be some people going for max profit, but I saw AR-15 mags as low as $20!?!



Maybe everyone sold more on Sat than they thought they would or something.

[david05111]

You went to the one in Orlando today?

If so, I dunno.

I paid way under MSRP for all three guns (had printouts with me) and paid within 10% of internet pricing for ammo.

Of course, there will be some people going for max profit, but I saw AR-15 mags as low as $20!?!



Maybe everyone sold more on Sat than they thought they would or something.

I went down looking for the glock, ammo, and maybe some stuff for my AR or a 12 gauge.

The .45 auto ammo I saw was 30 bucks for 50 rounds (I got the same stuff last week for 25) and I wanted 1000 rounds. (Thats an additional 200 bucks I would have had to pay.) They had very little .380, but I can understand that. The .223 was pricey too (I can get 1000 rounds for like 360 here and it was more there.)

The Glock was just outrageous...I can get a Glock 30 with nightsights in Jax for ~550...the ones they had at the show were the same price without the night sights so no savings there...

The Mossberg was a decent buy, but it wasn't the specific gun I was looking for.

And a Lasermax laser was like 5 bucks off, which was hardly worth the time.

I'm glad you got some good deals but I was out of luck I guess...

[glockman9c]

I went down looking for the glock, ammo, and maybe some stuff for my AR or a 12 gauge.

The .45 auto ammo I saw was 30 bucks for 50 rounds (I got the same stuff last week for 25) and I wanted 1000 rounds. (Thats an additional 200 bucks I would have had to pay.) They had very little .380, but I can understand that. The .223 was pricey too (I can get 1000 rounds for like 360 here and it was more there.)

The Glock was just outrageous...I can get a Glock 30 with nightsights in Jax for ~550...the ones they had at the show were the same price without the night sights so no savings there...

The Mossberg was a decent buy, but it wasn't the specific gun I was looking for.

And a Lasermax laser was like 5 bucks off, which was hardly worth the time.

I'm glad you got some good deals but I was out of luck I guess...

If you can get a Glock 30 for $550 with nightsights in Jax any day of the week, you need to start buying some Glocks my friend.

Glock 30 with nightsights retails for $699! Nightsights are a $70-$100 upgrade. $550 is a great everyday price.

To me the show is as much about convience as anything. It is close, in stock, and I walk out with my guns. I always get good deals.

[Goughie]

Just as another view from England to the one posted by Glocky from his forum...

I went clay pigeon shooting last weekend with a friend who shoots every other weekend with his 12 year old son (I'm in England BTW). I've done this a number of times before and really do enjoy it. The other people who shoot are very friendly and it attracts people from all walks of life - a great crowd.

My brother in law also has a shotgun and hunts game birds and shoots vermin (rough shooting) with his springer at his side almost every week in season.

My father also carried a gun in the anti-terrorist squad in London's Metropolitan Police force as well as SO19 (the specialist firearms unit of the Met Police).

Despite all this, I am still glad that the UK has as strict a stance on gun ownership and usage as it does and you will find this view very much in the majority in the UK.

I have no issues at all with people owning firearms for the hunting of game, vermin and clay pigeon shooting, but I see no reason for guns to be held otherwise. This essentially means ownership of rifles and shotguns only, where legitimate use allows. I think the issue we have in the UK is that handguns and assault rifles (or their semi and single shot derivatives) are designed to kill people - that's the bit most Brits object to. I think the lack of a gun culture in the UK means that most people do not come into contact with guns at all in their lives.

Operation Trident (as mentioned in the post quoted by Glocky) has been set up by The Met Police to tackle black on black violence in London - most of which is gun crime. Indeed, the majority of gun crime comitted in the capital is by blacks on blacks. This is not a racist comment - simply a matter of public record. My dad's ex girlfriend still works on Trident as a family liasion, dealing with the aftermath of these crimes, BTW.

There are units of the police that do carry firearms in the UK (mostly Glock handguns and MP5's BTW), but these are mostly confined to airports, the aforementioned SO19 (and their out of London equivalents) and diplomatic protection teams. (My dad carried a S&W .38 in the anti-terrorist squad incidentally). When the public see a police officer in the UK, 99 times out of 100 it is without a gun. This is obviously different to the US, where my own limited experience over the pond tells me that most officers do carry a weapon.

As a result, I'm an Englishman who feels safer living in a country where access to guns is strictly limited - as opposed to US gun owners who feel safer with a firearm. I don't really think there is an end game to the argument of gun ownership v gun control once a civilian population has realtively free and easy access to guns, but where a very limited numbers of guns are in the public's hands I think it is better to maintain the status quo rather than open Pandora's box... Just my 2p

[david05111]

If you can get a Glock 30 for $550 with nightsights in Jax any day of the week, you need to start buying some Glocks my friend.

Glock 30 with nightsights retails for $699! Nightsights are a $70-$100 upgrade. $550 is a great everyday price.

To me the show is as much about convience as anything. It is close, in stock, and I walk out with my guns. I always get good deals.

Yep I guess thats what I'm gonna do! My friend picked up a Glock 27, USP tactical, and a Unimax green laser last week...he ended up getting the glock for somewhere around $470! I guess I need to go and get one.

[CRZY BMW]

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I have shot several handguns. I can own a gun, I have just to practice shooting for one year before buying the first.

I am french but I Do Know the difference between you're and your.

The internet is serious business... grammar police are on patrol!

I use slang and short hand on the internet, but can you tell me what is wrong with the follow sentence???


I have just to practice shooting for one year before buying the first.

[glockman9c]

Just as another view from England to the one posted by Glocky from his forum...

I went clay pigeon shooting last weekend with a friend who shoots every other weekend with his 12 year old son (I'm in England BTW). I've done this a number of times before and really do enjoy it. The other people who shoot are very friendly and it attracts people from all walks of life - a great crowd.

My brother in law also has a shotgun and hunts game birds and shoots vermin (rough shooting) with his springer at his side almost every week in season.

My father also carried a gun in the anti-terrorist squad in London's Metropolitan Police force as well as SO19 (the specialist firearms unit of the Met Police).

Despite all this, I am still glad that the UK has as strict a stance on gun ownership and usage as it does and you will find this view very much in the majority in the UK.

I have no issues at all with people owning firearms for the hunting of game, vermin and clay pigeon shooting, but I see no reason for guns to be held otherwise. This essentially means ownership of rifles and shotguns only, where legitimate use allows. I think the issue we have in the UK is that handguns and assault rifles (or their semi and single shot derivatives) are designed to kill people - that's the bit most Brits object to. I think the lack of a gun culture in the UK means that most people do not come into contact with guns at all in their lives.

Operation Trident (as mentioned in the post quoted by Glocky) has been set up by The Met Police to tackle black on black violence in London - most of which is gun crime. Indeed, the majority of gun crime comitted in the capital is by blacks on blacks. This is not a racist comment - simply a matter of public record. My dad's ex girlfriend still works on Trident as a family liasion, dealing with the aftermath of these crimes, BTW.

There are units of the police that do carry firearms in the UK (mostly Glock handguns and MP5's BTW), but these are mostly confined to airports, the aforementioned SO19 (and their out of London equivalents) and diplomatic protection teams. (My dad carried a S&W .38 in the anti-terrorist squad incidentally). When the public see a police officer in the UK, 99 times out of 100 it is without a gun. This is obviously different to the US, where my own limited experience over the pond tells me that most officers do carry a weapon.

As a result, I'm an Englishman who feels safer living in a country where access to guns is strictly limited - as opposed to US gun owners who feel safer with a firearm. I don't really think there is an end game to the argument of gun ownership v gun control once a civilian population has realtively free and easy access to guns, but where a very limited numbers of guns are in the public's hands I think it is better to maintain the status quo rather than open Pandora's box... Just my 2p

You feel safer knowing the law-abiding citizens can not jump through legal hoops to obtain a firearm for personal protection, but a criminal who cares nothing about the law can get a firearm very easily?

Keep in mind, that American's need for guns was solidified by us braking free from Britain with them. Our entire country was based on few major ideas. Freedom of speech, religion, press, and the right to bare arms. The idea was to eliminate supression. If you guys enjoy it, more power to ya.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if someone went on the news and starting talking bad about the queen, parliment, etc. Would they get arrested? Can someone organize a protest and demand the queen be removed at the royal palace?

[Goughie]

Of course they are.
If you wanna take all the guns away from people, are you offering world peace and free karate classes to all women?

Eliminating weapons will not eliminate crime. The only people that think that way are the people that think guns commit crime.
I feel a million times safer knowing that dozens of citizens around me are carrying.

You're taking my quote out of context JJ. I'm not saying I'm against all gun ownership, but why would you need a handgun in the UK with such a miniscule amount of gun-related crime as a percentage of overall crime here? You may very well (legitimately in my opinion) feel the need to carry in the US to even up the odds if it is much more likely a criminal will be armed with a gun too - you are trying to compare two populations with hugely different attitudes to, and experience of, gun crime.

[CRZY BMW]

I just went to Turners in Orange County, CA... They have maybe 15-20 handguns (mostly revolvers)! Everything else is sold out or back-ordered. Crazy!

[jacques chirac]

The internet is serious business... grammar police are on patrol!

I use slang and short hand on the internet, but can you tell me what is wrong with the follow sentence???

yep. It's "I just have to " and not "I have just to "

[CRZY BMW]

yep. It's "I just have to " and not "I have just to "

Thanks... couldn't understand YOUR broken english...

[glockman9c]

You're taking my quote out of context JJ. I'm not saying I'm against all gun ownership, but why would you need a handgun in the UK with such a miniscule amount of gun-related crime as a percentage of overall crime here? You may very well (legitimately in my opinion) feel the need to carry in the US to even up the odds if it is much more likely a criminal will be armed with a gun too - you are trying to compare two populations with hugely different attitudes to, and experience of, gun crime.

Gun related crime is not the concern, its crime in general. A 300lbs ex con does not need a gun to rape a 110lb girl in a laundry mat.

It is a proven fact that crime is highest where the gun laws are the strictist (in American at least). Criminals #1 fear is not prison, its being shot by a citizen.

[jacques chirac]

Thanks... couldn't understand YOUR broken english...

I'm french and I consider My english skills good enough to discuss with you.:)

[ken@bimmertools]

Not to side with Frenchie, but his sentence technically works either way... Don't shoot me.

[jacques chirac]

Gun related crime is not the concern, its crime in general. A 300lbs ex con does not need a gun to rape a 110lb girl in a laundry mat.

It is a proven fact that crime is highest where the gun laws are the strictist (in American at least). Criminals #1 fear is not prison, its being shot by a citizen.

Don' want to start the eternal debate, But the day You'll explain me why there are ten times less firearms murders in europe than in USA, I'll never speak about guns anymore.

[Goughie]

You feel safer knowing the law-abiding citizens can not jump through legal hoops to obtain a firearm for personal protection, but a criminal who cares nothing about the law can get a firearm very easily?

Keep in mind, that American's need for guns was solidified by us braking free from Britain with them. Our entire country was based on few major ideas. Freedom of speech, religion, press, and the right to bare arms. The idea was to elimate supression. If you guys enjoy it, more power to ya.

Just out of curiosity, what would happen if someone went on the news and starting talking about the queen, parliment, etc. Would they get arrested?

Glocky, the difference between the US and the UK is that guns are used in a tiny minority of crimes over here. The chances of me being involved in a stick up by a perp using a gun is infintessimally small. I'm far more likely to die in my car tomorrow. I don't feel threatened in any way when I walk down the street.

There is a clear differnece between the US population's idea of "freedom" and "rights" than that of the UK's. We see universal free-at-the-point-of-need healthcare as a basic human right - you see it as some sort of Darwinian weeding out of the weak (hugely funny from a country with some seriously "Christian" morals and ethics in large areas).

I would suggest that the UK is far more advanced than the US in terms of real freedom of speech and expression. Two examples spring to mind - a ban on pictures of dead US soldiers being shown on US TV under Bush and the clearly blurred lines between religion and the state in the US (in direct contravention of your own bill of rights I believe). Over here, Blair was a Catholic but couldn't be confimed until he left office - we have a serious dislike for anything religious interferring with our politics.

As you rightly point out, you bear arms as a throwback to the revoloutionary era - what are you fighting for now?

[jacques chirac]

Glocky, the difference between the US and the UK is that guns are used in a tiny minority of crimes over here. The chances of me being involved in a stick up by a perp using a gun is infintessimally small. I'm far more likely to die in my car tomorrow. I don't feel threatened in any way when I walk down the street.

There is a clear differnece between the US population's idea of "freedom" and "rights" than that of the UK's. We see universal free-at-the-point-of-need healthcare as a basic human right - you see it as some sort of Darwinian weeding out of the weak (hugely funny from a country with some seriously "Christian" morals and ethics in large areas).

I would suggest that the UK is far more advanced than the US in terms of real freedom of speech and expression. Two examples spring to mind - a ban on pictures of dead US soldiers being shown on US TV under Bush and the clearly blurred lines between religion and the state in the US (in direct contravention of your own bill of rights I beleive). Over here, Blair was a Catholic but couldn't be confimed until he left office - we have a serious dislike for anything religious interferring with our politics.

As you rightly point out, you bear arms as a throwback to the revoloutionary era - what are you fighting for now?

Replace " UK " with "France" in the text and you'll be good in my book

[CRZY BMW]

Don' want to start the eternal debate, But the day You'll explain me why there are ten times less firearms murders in europe than in USA, I'll never speak about guns anymore.

Outlaw guns and see who obeys the law. Criminals will keep their guns or get them illegally and use them on unarmed victims. Australia is a perfect example...

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1736501,00.html


"But 12 years on, new research suggests the government response to Port Arthur was a waste of public money and has made no difference to the country's gun-related death rates."

[glockman9c]

No one with a brain would argue that Britian has less gun related crimes than America. If you guys had more cars than us, you would probably have my car related crimes. Moot point.

I am talking about having the ability to stop crime yourself. To protect yourself and your family. If you and your wife, kid, friend are walking down the street and 4 guys with knives (they are legal, right?) surround you, what exactly are you going to do?

We were just raised differently.

Here is an article I found that completely disagrees with your crime statements.


Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime

Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain -- has much higher levels of crime. The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:

The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United States and 0.4 percent in Japan.

Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;

"After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24 percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London Telegraph said.

England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among the "top 10" nations.

The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4 percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.
Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates -- just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.

Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder, assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread gun ban, violent crime had increased in the country.

Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent.
In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily.
There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly.

[CRZY BMW]

^ Dam, did you have that in a template... that was fast!!!

[glockman9c]

AMMO ALERT!

Walmarts in Orlando are getting ammo.

Walmart on semoran had 43 boxes of 9mm Blazer Brass for $8.97! :4ngie:

Walmart in Sanford had .40 for $12.97 and CCI .22 high velocity for $6.97 (.07 per round)

[david05111]

AMMO ALERT!

Walmarts in Orlando are getting ammo.

Walmart on semoran had 43 boxes of 9mm Blazer Brass for $8.97! :4ngie:

Walmart in Sanford had .40 for $12.97 and CCI .22 high velocity for $6.97 (.07 per round)

Ohh man I don't think my walmart gets anything! Was there any .380 there? Its impossible to find nowadays...

[coco savage]

glockman will you take me to gunshows....and we can talk about kid rock and his rap-tastic ways all the way there :D

[Topaz330]

just picked up a walther p99as 9mm... one of the most comfortable guns i've ever shot which hasn't been that many but thats not the point :P

[MpoweredM]

:rofl:

I gotta stop reading your threads... Im about to go pickup a Glock
Do it! I cleaned my 19 two times with about 10000 rounds through it and I haven't had any issues. :rofl:

Nice pick ups. Ironically I love my Ruger .22! It's a fun range gun to have competitions at 150 feet!

[glockman9c]

Do it! I cleaned my 19 two times with about 10000 rounds through it and I haven't had any issues. :rofl:

Nice pick ups. Ironically I love my Ruger .22! It's a fun range gun to have competitions at 150 feet!

Do you have a scope?

I am thinking about a 2x Red Dot in a silver finish, but I want cheap and good.

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ruger-mark-iii-hunter-pistol-22lr.jpg

[MpoweredM]

Do you have a scope?

I am thinking about a 2x Red Dot in a silver finish, but I want cheap and good.

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ruger-mark-iii-hunter-pistol-22lr.jpg
Nope, no scope, however I've been on the look out. It's more fun without though. Here it is..
http://www.pbase.com/mpoweredm3/image/102314608/original.jpg

[glockman9c]

Nope, no scope, however I've been on the look out. It's more fun without though. Here it is..
http://www.pbase.com/mpoweredm3/image/102314608/original.jpg

I thought about that one (III) but I like the new mag release.

I guess I will try without a scope for starters.

:thumbsup: