ESS CFR500 Sounds [Archive]

GJGM3

04-23-2009, 08:38 PM

I've placed in a few threads the incredible sound of the CFR supercharger, and thought I'd post them up for those who might be interested.

I'm not sure if there are any E46 M3s in the USA with the CFR500+, but I know there are several Z4Ms. One thing for certain, as of next week there will for sure be at least 1 E46 M3 with the setup - and this will be just the beginning for my setup!

Although ESS described the setup really well by "combines the efficiency of a turbocharger with the drivability and smoothness of a supercharger", and of course the design with longevity in mind and incredible HP and Tq. on pump gas alone, they left out one side benefit - this incredible sound it makes!

To me, I didn't want to have to worry about different map settings depending on what fuel or supplement I had in the setup (race, meth, race/meth) - there was no other setup out there to produce what this kit provides without dropping compression (although I'm thinking of that too down the road).

I was hoping to receive my kit today and by now it should be preparing to go through Customs. So it'll be early next week unless I get a surprise tomorrow by the FedEx fellas - not holding my breath.

When I get mine installed I'll write it up and hopefully post up some videos, and assuming a brief break-in period, I'm going to get her on a dyno.

So, to the "sounds"!

Rom3ns former CFR500 BEAST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltfusugejB8&feature=related

Another fellow in his Z4M CFR500 - dig the upshift "SWOOOSH" :woot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38cxsQrFgWA&feature=related

The parts beautifully layed out

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/GJGM3/ESS500PartsIllustrated.jpg

Later this year I plan on upgrading to the 550 level after I get my race headers/cats, although as I understand it ESS will be opening a state-of-the-art facility in AZ, I may just ship the car there later this year and get a BIG upgrade.

Ervin87

04-23-2009, 09:11 PM

Very nice man. ESS is a great choice. I bet you are very excited. Sounds amazing. Love the sound between the shifts. :thumbsup:

GJGM3

04-23-2009, 09:21 PM

Yeah I'm totally STOKED. It took me a while to decide, but this is the one!

My experience thus far with Hans in Norway, and of course here AJ, Rom3n, and of course Chris has been great. Plenty of support and expertise, although this kit has long been proven with no issues.

I cut a trip short thinking they'd be here today, but it's all good though - much prefer a home cooked meal! LOL. Next week works too.

Edited - prior comment was irrelevant and immaterial, to me (pioneer that is). Thanks for correction.

TaZaM3

04-23-2009, 09:26 PM

Umm ya, i really don't think ESS is the F/I pioneer of the S54.

GJGM3

04-23-2009, 09:40 PM

Umm ya, i really don't think ESS is the F/I pioneer of the S54.

Oh, I see - perhaps I have my facts all wrong. So, like "Umm ya", who might that be?

InterlagosMcoupe

04-23-2009, 09:57 PM

The second video is mine, its a modified cfr 525, one of which makes that woosh was that the diverter is not hooked to the intake and acting like a blow off valve.

And I have to agree with taza.

Pioneers are first and or push the envelope.

GJGM3

04-23-2009, 10:07 PM

I therefore stand corrected. I read that someplace and I thought it was ESS-related, but that's really immaterial as AA was never a serious consideration for me, although I did contact them, as I did with VF. But at the end of the day I have always been impressed with ESS.

On a separate note, it's unfortunate I sold a near new (4 months used) CSL headers/cat setup as I would have ordered the 550, but that will come again, like very soon.

TaZaM3

04-23-2009, 10:17 PM

From what I have seen over the years AA and HPF.

GJGM3

04-23-2009, 10:31 PM

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 12:58 PM

Eh, I read up on AA and they mark a date, and I read up on ESS and so do they. But HPF? You mean turbo, right? Aside from this goofy guy - D-A or someplace like that (can't remember the contraption he built), I thought you had the first turbo and wasn't that an AA project?

Just the same - my edit has been made as that's really immaterial and not important.

BTW, still have the beast?

I dont really care about dates. AA came up with a production kit fairly quickly that was popular (still is) and until this day continue coming up with new features for it. They did the first Alpha N type of software for the S54 as well. It was in 05 i was making nearly 500rwhp with a supercharger from AA. That is 4 years ago!!

I had AA do a custom turbo kit on my car, which is incredibly difficult to do. They customized nearly everything. They also did a custom turbo kit on Tony Kaanan's car.

Even VF came late but did a better job then ESS from what ive seen.
HPF came late but made a great turbo kit, which is difficult to do. They have about 40 turbo kits running around now.

I have yet to see even one production ESS kit myself and ive seen nearly all of the S54 projects/kits.

Anyways, it doesn't really matter as long as your car runs good for you.

PS. Yes i still have my car.

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 02:03 PM

What's gotten your panties all in a bunch there guy? I retracted what I said as it's really of no consequence who was first. I shouldn't have said that without knowing it was factual, there - better for you know X 2?

The fact is, I believe I acquired the best supercharger setup there is. That's my perspective and really all that matters.

Big factor: ASA blower; the application uses straight pump to produce power, doesn't require anything else - meaning meth, race gas, alc/water, piss-water, whatever you or anyone else wants to put in yours. That's what is very appealing to me and a major factor in my decision, not to mention what appears to be a very successful company in Europe, soon to be the US.

I looked at AA and VF for supercharging - not even a close call. Not interested in turbo on the S54 for a host of reasons. Clearly power is there to be had, but that's not what I wanted.

I have no need to prove anything to anyone as with "I have the fastest 1,000,000 RWHP Turbo there is, so F you all, I'm the baddest MOFO on the planet". PFFFT. I wanted added power to the extent right now I get decent power, on pump, and arguably some very impressive torque numbers running straight pump fuel. I know there's plenty faster. But I'd compare apples:apples.

All anyone that is interested in ESS needs to do is search the internet. Their product is proven and certainly on the VT setup, there's one record-holder on the Ring that no other BMW tuner has touched. ESSTuning.com will have enough information available for anyone that's interested. So go ahead and enjoy your wheel spin all you want and you're huge HP numbers. Perhaps some need that to compensate for other things in other departments. I don't.

Clearly, their aggressive entry into the US market will get some surrogates' panties all in a bunch. You can compare all you want, but at the end of the day, when you do compare apples:apples - compare STRAIGHT PUMP and stock internals. As for me, I'm back to straight OEM stock exhaust and I'm able to sport the CFR500. I like that.

I've read enough of your threads and understand your loyalty to AA, so I take your criticism at its worth.

Again, I retracted what I said before and okay mistaken (perhaps that'll help you along the way - out). But quite frankly, it's of no consequence to me as I believe I acquired hands-down the best supercharger setup available. The power produces is what it produces - I don't need meth, race gas, or nitrous to increase what otherwise the engine on pump can't do for itself.

No the fastest, but the best - to me. DIG?

But interestingly enough, you've not seen one by your own admission, yet you hold such strong opinions. Interesting, but obvious why.

I dont really care about dates. AA came up with a production kit fairly quickly that was popular (still is) and until this day continue coming up with new features for it. They did the first Alpha N type of software for the S54 as well. It was in 05 i was making nearly 500rwhp with a supercharger from AA. That is 4 years ago!!

I had AA do a custom turbo kit on my car, which is incredibly difficult to do. They customized nearly everything. They also did a custom turbo kit on Tony Kaanan's car.

Even VF came late but did a better job then ESS from what ive seen.
HPF came late but made a great turbo kit, which is difficult to do. They have about 40 turbo kits running around now.

I have yet to see even one production ESS kit myself and ive seen nearly all of the S54 projects/kits.

Anyways, it doesn't really matter as long as your car runs good for you.

You might ask what I find so objectionable about your response? The answer would be in what you said, yet you've formed such an opinion :

PS. Yes i still have my car.

Chris@ESS

04-29-2009, 02:29 PM

Look forward to seeing it completed Gerard!

We're shipping out VT kits like crazy and as you know, we're waiting on the next batch of intercoolers for the CFR kits! Glad you were able to get one of the available ones when you did!

mikem7709

04-29-2009, 02:34 PM

6ick6ix6peed

04-29-2009, 03:29 PM

Even though I am loyal to AA... I think you made the right choice. I cant wait to see your ride complete(again)... I miss the vcsl theme man.

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 03:34 PM

A wise man said to me once it doesn`t matter if your 2nd as long as you do it better. Being 1st doesn`t allways pay off. `Bit like Mert and HPF`s :P

I don`t know of any AA cars here in the UK that run right, even CA automotive`s demo car now runs a custom made intake manifold. Another AA car I know of eventually changed out the injectors to some supplied by another tuner, software from the same tuner and now finally it runs in an acceptable way.

Im just going to have to disagree. I definitely dont think they are better.

Also im glad you see some AA cars there, ive seen no ESS here. I have however seen dozens of AA cars here which all run great! Ive had an AA car for years, several of my friends have AA cars, all are fine!

What's gotten your panties all in a bunch there guy? I retracted what I said as it's really of no consequence who was first. I shouldn't have said that without knowing it was factual, there - better for you know X 2?

My panties (I wear boxers since your so concerned with underwear) are fine. You claimed ESS is the FI pioneer for the S54, which is false and noobish of a statement to post. I simply disagreed with you.

The fact is, I believe I acquired the best supercharger setup there is. That's my perspective and really all that matters.

That's the fact, you are right YOU BELIEVE you got the best SC, good for you.

Big factor: ASA blower; the application uses straight pump to produce power, doesn't require anything else - meaning meth, race gas, alc/water, piss-water, whatever you or anyone else wants to put in yours. That's what is very appealing to me and a major factor in my decision, not to mention what appears to be a very successful company in Europe, soon to be the US.

Lol, I made 503rwhp 4 years ago with an AA S/C kit. The meth/water is a safety measurement, we have bad gas here!

I looked at AA and VF for supercharging - not even a close call. Not interested in turbo on the S54 for a host of reasons. Clearly power is there to be had, but that's not what I wanted.

I would have chose AA or VF (S/C's) over ESS but thats my choice. :)

I have no need to prove anything to anyone as with "I have the fastest 1,000,000 RWHP Turbo there is, so F you all, I'm the baddest MOFO on the planet". PFFFT. I wanted added power to the extent right now I get decent power, on pump, and arguably some very impressive torque numbers running straight pump fuel. I know there's plenty faster. But I'd compare apples:apples.

Ive said that? LMAO :lmao:

Nobody said anything bad to you about your car not having power or being anything wrong. We havent seen any real consumer dynos of ESS kits but hopefully we will now.

All anyone that is interested in ESS needs to do is search the internet. Their product is proven and certainly on the VT setup, there's one record-holder on the Ring that no other BMW tuner has touched. ESSTuning.com will have enough information available for anyone that's interested. So go ahead and enjoy your wheel spin all you want and you're huge HP numbers. Perhaps some need that to compensate for other things in other departments. I don't.

That car is very impressive but it has alot to do with driver, suspension, tires, weight etc...

My wheel spin? Boy do you talk alot of crap!

I had a stock m3, made 300rwhp with NA parts, 375rwhp with a Gen 1 SC, 503rwhp, 563rwhp, 600rwhp, 800rwhp etc... i think i could have chose a level and stayed if i wanted to. But thanks for the criticism.

Clearly, their aggressive entry into the US market will get some surrogates' panties all in a bunch. You can compare all you want, but at the end of the day, when you do compare apples:apples - compare STRAIGHT PUMP and stock internals. As for me, I'm back to straight OEM stock exhaust and I'm able to sport the CFR500. I like that.

We cant compare b/c we havent even seen much data from ESS!! Yes all we have seen is their dyno numbers, lets see some off the shelf consumer dyno's!

I've read enough of your threads and understand your loyalty to AA, so I take your criticism at its worth.

Thanks so much!

Again, I retracted what I said before and okay mistaken (perhaps that'll help you along the way - out). But quite frankly, it's of no consequence to me as I believe I acquired hands-down the best supercharger setup available. The power produces is what it produces - I don't need meth, race gas, or nitrous to increase what otherwise the engine on pump can't do for itself.

No the fastest, but the best - to me. DIG?

But interestingly enough, you've not seen one by your own admission, yet you hold such strong opinions. Interesting, but obvious why.

I make 700rwhp on pump gas with no additional extras (meth etc..), whats your point? You act like no other kit runs on pump gas.

I am happy for you and your decision! I would also love to see what power it puts down on 91 octane at a dyno we all know. I hold strong opinions because i have experience. :) Do you?

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 04:15 PM

My panties (I wear boxers since your so concerned with underwear) are fine. You claimed ESS is the FI pioneer for the S54, which is false and noobish of a statement to post. I simply disagreed with you.

Fella, I wouldn't care if you wore a g-string, that's not the point. Just responding after I corrected myself just kind of seemed like either you had a wedgie or something else goin one with you.

That's the fact, you are right YOU BELIEVE you got the best SC, good for you.

BINGO.

Lol, I made 503rwhp 4 years ago with an AA S/C kit. The meth/water is a safety measurement, we have bad gas here!

COW MANURE. That's a load a MIERDA. Safety measure? I don't need the "safety measurement, hence my point".

I get BP 93 here. Same thing. If I bought their kit I'd get the same setup with the meth/water, and you know it.

Yes, I am inexperienced with this and LEARNING, and I will "learn". But even I know why it's used. Yeah, safety, but why? Not because of gas alone - because of boost and gas, no? So, you need to turn the boost up to make the proclaimed power, and need the meth/water to prevent detonation. NO? If I am mistaken, please educate me.

I don't mean this as a put down on the kit in of itself, I'm just saying the I wanted a very high quality kit that didn't rely on this stuff and produced power.

Nobody said anything bad to you about your car not having power or being anything wrong. We havent seen any real consumer dynos of ESS kits but hopefully we will now.

I didn't take it that way and no problem with me. I honestly didn't take anything you said in any way, shape or form about me or my car, or it's power. In all honesty, this kit is for me, not to brag to you or anyone else.

But, you make reference to ESS and direct comparisons in your post, yet you haven't seen the CFR up close and personal, and no dyno. Your comments are hence not very credible when you make your statements and seems biased and full of MIERDA.

That car is very impressive but it has alot to do with driver, suspension, tires, weight etc...

The car is very impressive.

My wheel spin? Boy do you talk alot of crap!

Really now! HA. My regrets, I've must have read someone posting for you in the past, and/or seen other videos. :lmao: It is what it is. You know perfectly well what I'm referring to. If you want to call it "crap", well have at it, it's your car (or perhaps it was?). Just the same, I was and continue to be very impressed, even when it wasn't hooking up.

I had a stock m3, made 300rwhp with NA parts, 375rwhp with a Gen 1 SC, 503rwhp, 563rwhp, 600rwhp, 800rwhp etc... i think i could have chose a level and stayed if i wanted to. But thanks for the criticism.

Big deal. I had a setup that regretably I never dyno'd, but very likely made that N/A, if not slightly more. What? CSL headers/cats, SS X-Pipe, Eisenmann Race, D/A software, intake. The typical bolt-on stuff that produces somewhere in the range of 300 to 315 RWHP. No big deal there and very common.

But, were the numbers referenced 375 and above. Now, did they include any meth, meth/water, etc., etc., or pure boost, no race gas, etc.? I'm thinking a very big "YES".

Or is it that the gas there is SO bad that even at low boost levels meth/water is required? I think not.

We cant compare b/c we havent even seen much data from ESS!! Yes all we have seen is their dyno numbers, lets see some off the shelf consumer dyno's!

There are several Z4M's out there with this kit, I posted 2 different ones in the videos. If you search you'll find their dyno numbers - dynojet, and a mustang with a correction/comparison to a dynojet. Perhaps you just don't want to believe what ESS puts out. Okay.

Just the same fella, I'll be obliged to post mine which will be on stock exhaust (OEM non-Euro headers/cats all the way back to a stock muffler). I'll also be on BP 93 pump. I'll also be more than glad to compare my car to another setup with stock internals, same exhaust, pump 92-93 and lets see what's what.

AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, because there's not one out there to compare it to with this setup. If so, I missed it.

Thanks so much!

Much obliged.

I make 700rwhp on pump gas with no additional extras (meth etc..), whats your point? You act like no other kit runs on pump gas.

Put into perspective, you do so with built internals. So what's your point? You don't have one because you're still trying to compare something to something completely different.

I am happy for you and your decision!

Thanks.

I would also love to see what power it puts down on 91 octane at a dyno we all know. I hold strong opinions because i have experience. :) Do you?

I won't be running 91, because since owning this car from 2005, I've never run that garbage. I run BP 93 right now. I've always run at least 92. Readily available here, as is 100, which I've never run.

Do I have experience with F/I? No, I've established that. Better now?

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 04:39 PM

Fella, I wouldn't care if you wore a g-string, that's not the point. Just responding after I corrected myself just kind of seemed like either you had a wedgie or something else goin one with you.

Im glad you corrected yourself.

COW MANURE. That's a load a MIERDA. Safety measure? I don't need the "safety measurement, hence my point".

I get BP 93 here. Same thing. If I bought their kit I'd get the same setup with the meth/water, and you know it.

We run 91 here, 93 is better. Whats wrong with running meth/water for more safety and power? If you really hate it, you dont need to run it.

Yes, I am inexperienced with this and LEARNING, and I will "learn". But even I know why it's used. Yeah, safety, but why? Not because of gas alone - because of boost and gas, no? So, you need to turn the boost up to make the proclaimed power, and need the meth/water to prevent detonation. NO? If I am mistaken, please educate me.

I dont think you are experienced with S54 FI. How much boost do you think your kit is going to run? Less then the others? And make the same power? I HIGHLY doubt it. Clearly simple everyone wants more power if a simple water/alcohol or meth mixture will help get it there, why not? If you want less power dont run the meth system.

I don't mean this as a put down on the kit in of itself, I'm just saying the I wanted a very high quality kit that didn't rely on this stuff and produced power.

How much power do you think you are going to be making?

I didn't take it that way and no problem with me. I honestly didn't take anything you said in any way, shape or form about me or my car, or it's power. In all honesty, this kit is for me, not to brag to you or anyone else.

But, you make reference to ESS and direct comparisons in your post, yet you haven't seen the CFR up close and personal, and no dyno. Your comments are hence not very credible when you make your statements and seems biased and full of MIERDA.

Plain and simple ESS is not the pioneer of S54 FI. That's all i was saying.

But, were the numbers referenced 375 and above. Now, did they include any meth, meth/water, etc., etc., or pure boost, no race gas, etc.? I'm thinking a very big "YES".

Or is it that the gas there is SO bad that even at low boost levels meth/water is required? I think not.

91 octane, no meth/water on Technik's dynojet. Gen 1 AA kit 5.5psi...
91 is horrible here, it is better to have meth/water to expect healthier numbers. People have done it without meth/water, Drew made around 500rwhp without meth/water.

There are several Z4M's out there with this kit, I posted 2 different ones in the videos. If you search you'll find their dyno numbers - dynojet, and a mustang with a correction/comparison to a dynojet. Perhaps you just don't want to believe what ESS puts out. Okay.

Havent seen the dyno's. Are they independent? Off the shelf kit or tuned by ESS?

This is why it will be nice to see yours.

Just the same fella, I'll be obliged to post mine which will be on stock exhaust (OEM non-Euro headers/cats all the way back to a stock muffler). I'll also be on BP 93 pump. I'll also be more than glad to compare my car to another setup with stock internals, same exhaust, pump 92-93 and lets see what's what.

AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, because there's not one out there to compare it to with this setup. If so, I missed it.

It will be nice to see finally. Im sure we can find some numbers with a similiar setup as yours. What boost are you going to be running?

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 04:51 PM

Have you seen this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74YpnTQUdcw

mikem7709

04-29-2009, 04:57 PM

Have you seen this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74YpnTQUdcw

Looks about right to me, certainly mirrors my own experiences. What would you expect `tho ? The E39 with exhaust and map will also be near enough 440HP but with a LOT more torque.

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 05:05 PM

Looks about right to me, certainly mirrors my own experiences. What would you expect `tho ? The E39 with exhaust and map will also be near enough 440HP but with a LOT more torque.

At least we know that video is accurate about ESS's power, since you say yours is about the same race with an E39 M5.

From my supercharger experience (with AA) I would definitely walk (actually run) away from a E39 M5 (it can have exhaust and tune). And TQ would be nice down low but higher end the higher HP and lighter car should run away. In this case it even seems like the M5 is catching up.

mikem7709

04-29-2009, 05:18 PM

It looks like the E39 got the jump in the first run and nothing in it in the 2nd run, `till the M3 lets off.

I`ve ran a buddies from 50-170mph in my `vert and I was maybe 1 car length ahead.

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 05:21 PM

At least we know that video is accurate about ESS's power, since you say yours is about the same race with an E39 M5.

From my supercharger experience (with AA) I would definitely walk (actually run) away from a E39 M5 (it can have exhaust and tune). And TQ would be nice down low but higher end the higher HP and lighter car should run away. In this case it even seems like the M5 is catching up.

You can find the owner of the car on this forum. That's Magnus' and he'll tell you his clutch was slipping in the video.

Just the same, you don't really strike me as being able to look at this from an objective perspective.

Right off the bat you're talking BS about ESS, yet by your own words you haven't seen one, or really know much about it.

Again, it's perfectly understandable (although I don't agree with it) given you're a surrogate of AA. I think the term they use is "fan boy".

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 05:37 PM

You can find the owner of the car on this forum. That's Magnus' and he'll tell you his clutch was slipping in the video.

An ESS owner just mentioned he beat one by 1 car length (granted he is a vert like you). But why would you race if you have a slipping clutch?

Just the same, you don't really strike me as being able to look at this from an objective perspective.

Honestly im looking at with my experience filled perspective.

Right off the bat you're talking BS about ESS, yet by your own words you haven't seen one, or really know much about it.

What makes you sure ESS is the best then?
Im sure if they were that good then we would at least see a few here, no?

Again, it's perfectly understandable (although I don't agree with it) given you're a surrogate of AA. I think the term they use is "fan boy".

To me it really sounds like the fan boy here is you. With no experience with the S54 motor, you came on posting threads about ESS and how they are the pioneers for the S54. Now you are defending ESS as best as you can with no facts and no proof at all.

Meanwhile i can prove anything i have said (even gave you a nice video), have had about 5 years experience with modding the S54 and see almost all the kits in person (driven a couple).

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 06:18 PM

Im glad you corrected yourself.

Actually, it seems you have an axe to grind. I corrected myself on post
#7, Date: 4/23 at 9:07 PM.

Seems like something is really-really bugging you!

How many times does it take? Or is it that you just have to try and prove some kind of point, that you really can't make?

We run 91 here, 93 is better. Whats wrong with running meth/water for more safety and power? If you really hate it, you dont need to run it..

Um, yeah, soooo what's your point? My point is they sell the kit with it, yes? I mean if you're running at a particular boost in order to get your numbers, don't you have to "run it"?

My point is with the ESS kits you don't "need" it because it's only going to run a "certain level of boost" and produce what it produces. This is to say your "91" or my "93".

I dont think you are experienced with S54 FI .

So let me ask you a serious question? Do you, or can you, read? Did I not say that myself? Or is it that you just like to see yourself writing it, or saying it as you type, or just letting everyone know just who you are and how much more you know than anyone else, in particularly me? Well, let me save you more trouble in writing it dude - yah, I am inexperienced with the S54 FI; moreover, I am inexperienced in general with FI. I am not hiding this. I am interested in learning though. I've said that too. So, if there's something I've said that's inaccurate (i.e., meth needs), please correct me. In complete honesty, I welcome that.

But get off it already - I've said this before.

I get it that you're not a fan. I mean, in the USA for the E46 M3 this is relatively new here. I may (or not) actually be the first M3 - not a big deal there either if I am or am not.

But, I understand you're not a fan, and this poses a market share threat (HUGE I BELIEVE to the others - other than those who go turbo).

Hence, the surrogates come out to diminish said "threat". I understand this. But I think someone with your background and seemingly good stature of things FI, diminish yourself when you behave in this manner without seeing evidence first. Instead, as I have said before, you make negative remarks then admit you've not seen one or are familiar with what it will or will not do. Sounds highly biased in my opinion, very un-objective, and clearly taking a defensive posture for your AA. Fine, I get it. I'm betting others do too.

Just PLEASE get off my former comment because I've retracted it now multiple times. You have nothing let to prove there.

How much boost do you think your kit is going to run?

CFR500 - mine: 6.5 psi
CFR525: 7 psi
CFR550: 7.5 psi

Less then the others? And make the same power? I HIGHLY doubt it. Clearly simple everyone wants more power if a simple water/alcohol or meth mixture will help get it there, why not? If you want less power dont run the meth system.

I've answer the reasons or "why" previously.

How much power do you think you are going to be making?

I know. I suspect you do too. I'm most impressed with the torque numbers as well!

Plain and simple ESS is not the pioneer of S54 FI. That's all i was saying.

I get it. I did back on Thursday, April 23, 2009 at 9:07 PM. To help you along a little, today is April 29, 2009 and as I type this it's 5:00 PM (CST). I mean, how many times do you actually have to bring this up?

91 octane, no meth/water on Technik's dynojet. Gen 1 AA kit 5.5psi...
91 is horrible here, it is better to have meth/water to expect healthier numbers. People have done it without meth/water, Drew made around 500rwhp without meth/water.

If you say so.:facepalm: I know my kit given my existing stock exhaust setup will not yield that number. Does that help move things along. Congratulations to whoever it is that yielded that. Even more so if they're comparably setup. I doubt it though.

I will, however, produce very good number for 500HP (converted to rwhp) and pretty good torque numbers that I'm sure will rival anything comparable. How's that?

Havent seen the dyno's. Are they independent? Off the shelf kit or tuned by ESS? Both.

This is why it will be nice to see yours.

Funny though, I really don't expect anything other than the same from you. It's fine because I'm not looking for approval.

It will be nice to see finally. Im sure we can find some numbers with a similiar setup as yours. What boost are you going to be running?

6.5 psi, for now. I suspect this will be your mission in life. Bring it.

At the end of the day, I have an exceptional kit. Even talking with my shop this afternoon, they were most impressed with the fit and finish of the kit.

I know it won't be the fastest, I'm sure there's a lot out there much faster, especially those who have to run meth in order to crank up the boost. I'm not saying that's bad or inferior, it's just not what I wanted.

So to all you AA or VF people - I'm not bashing you or saying mine is better. I'm saying it wasn't for me. I mean this.

I'm very glad I have something different and is as quality oriented and durable as the ESS CFR500 setup. I'm also most pleased with ESS.

I must say though I'm not going to let you rain (or p!ss) on my parade. I think we can be done with this as I am certain there's absolutely nothing positive that will come from you. Just trying to prove some point.

So, let me spare you the time as your input is no longer welcomed, as I see you're just out to prove a point and to try and diminish one in favor of the other.

Quite frankly, you've given me another completely different viewpoint of where you come from on these posts, whereas I used to read yours with a lot of interest, although I always suspected you had something to prove to others.

Move along now TAZA.

FINI.

mtran850

04-29-2009, 06:40 PM

A55A55IN

04-29-2009, 06:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJbBNv3EIU

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 07:45 PM

Looks about right to me, certainly mirrors my own experiences. What would you expect `tho ? The E39 with exhaust and map will also be near enough 440HP but with a LOT more torque.

Mike,

There's no reference as to whether this is the VT kit or the CFR. We know what the CFR will do to the E60 M5, as evidenced by Magnus' car, with a slipping clutch.

I didn't even see which video he put. But after perusing the post by the other AA guy talking about the M5, I wanted to see what was up.

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 07:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJbBNv3EIU

That's the one! :lmao: 20" wheels on top of that and a slipping clutch.

BOOOOOYAH!

A55A55IN

04-29-2009, 07:59 PM

That's the one! :lmao: 20" wheels on top of that and a slipping clutch.

BOOOOOYAH!

LOL i knew you were mistaking the previous video for this :rofl:.

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 08:05 PM

Thanks bro. I honestly didn't know WTF that guy was talking about. LOL

mtran850

04-29-2009, 08:16 PM

Thanks bro. I honestly didn't know WTF that guy was talking about. LOL

:blah::blah: is it not cool to post my experience of what I got (AA Supercharge
) and share it with E46Fanatics Member. We are all here to share information about ours M3. I have not even said a thing about ESS, Like Taza said, let wait and see more Consumer Dyno in the US.

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 08:25 PM

:blah::blah: is it not cool to post my experience of what I got (AA Supercharge
) and share it with E46Fanatics Member. We are all here to share information about ours M3. I have not even said a thing about ESS, Like Taza said, let wait and see more Consumer Dyno in the US.

Uh, I wasn't referring to you. The other guy posted it - I didn't even bother looking at it and made an assumption, and figured he wasn't going to be objective. But, after a couple of posts and then having it brought out, I viewed it. I'm 99% certain that's a VT kit, not that it's any slouch.

Edit - not to mention he was referring to some guy with an ESS kit, and I was clearly referring to Magnus. The white M3 is Magnus' with the ESS CFR550, I'm not sure which ESS is in the video he posted, clearly that's not him.

Anyway, that wasn't aimed at you - :blah::blah:

BTW, I will post my dyno, but it's not to compare to AA, VF, or anything else. It's my baseline and what I'll compare to when I get the race headers/cats, balance of exhaust, and what may follow down the road after ESS opens their facility in Phoenix.

Contrary to what some might think, I do respect the others, it just wasn't for me. I hope this clears the air. Not interested in the drama and this isn't a ESS v. the World thread. Peace.

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 08:33 PM

Actually, it seems you have an axe to grind. I corrected myself on post
#7, Date: 4/23 at 9:07 PM.

Seems like something is really-really bugging you!

How many times does it take? Or is it that you just have to try and prove some kind of point, that you really can't make?

Um, yeah, soooo what's your point? My point is they sell the kit with it, yes? I mean if you're running at a particular boost in order to get your numbers, don't you have to "run it"?

My point is with the ESS kits you don't "need" it because it's only going to run a "certain level of boost" and produce what it produces. This is to say your "91" or my "93".

So let me ask you a serious question? Do you, or can you, read? Did I not say that myself? Or is it that you just like to see yourself writing it, or saying it as you type, or just letting everyone know just who you are and how much more you know than anyone else, in particularly me? Well, let me save you more trouble in writing it dude - yah, I am inexperienced with the S54 FI; moreover, I am inexperienced in general with FI. I am not hiding this. I am interested in learning though. I've said that too. So, if there's something I've said that's inaccurate (i.e., meth needs), please correct me. In complete honesty, I welcome that.

But get off it already - I've said this before.

I get it that you're not a fan. I mean, in the USA for the E46 M3 this is relatively new here. I may (or not) actually be the first M3 - not a big deal there either if I am or am not.

But, I understand you're not a fan, and this poses a market share threat (HUGE I BELIEVE to the others - other than those who go turbo).

Hence, the surrogates come out to diminish said "threat". I understand this. But I think someone with your background and seemingly good stature of things FI, diminish yourself when you behave in this manner without seeing evidence first. Instead, as I have said before, you make negative remarks then admit you've not seen one or are familiar with what it will or will not do. Sounds highly biased in my opinion, very un-objective, and clearly taking a defensive posture for your AA. Fine, I get it. I'm betting others do too.

Just PLEASE get off my former comment because I've retracted it now multiple times. You have nothing let to prove there.

CFR500 - mine: 6.5 psi
CFR525: 7 psi
CFR550: 7.5 psi

I've answer the reasons or "why" previously.

I know. I suspect you do too. I'm most impressed with the torque numbers as well!

I get it. I did back on Thursday, April 23, 2009 at 9:07 PM. To help you along a little, today is April 29, 2009 and as I type this it's 5:00 PM (CST). I mean, how many times do you actually have to bring this up?

If you say so.:facepalm: I know my kit given my existing stock exhaust setup will not yield that number. Does that help move things along. Congratulations to whoever it is that yielded that. Even more so if they're comparably setup. I doubt it though.

I will, however, produce very good number for 500HP (converted to rwhp) and pretty good torque numbers that I'm sure will rival anything comparable. How's that?

Both.

Funny though, I really don't expect anything other than the same from you. It's fine because I'm not looking for approval.

6.5 psi, for now. I suspect this will be your mission in life. Bring it.

At the end of the day, I have an exceptional kit. Even talking with my shop this afternoon, they were most impressed with the fit and finish of the kit.

I know it won't be the fastest, I'm sure there's a lot out there much faster, especially those who have to run meth in order to crank up the boost. I'm not saying that's bad or inferior, it's just not what I wanted.

So to all you AA or VF people - I'm not bashing you or saying mine is better. I'm saying it wasn't for me. I mean this.

I'm very glad I have something different and is as quality oriented and durable as the ESS CFR500 setup. I'm also most pleased with ESS.

I must say though I'm not going to let you rain (or p!ss) on my parade. I think we can be done with this as I am certain there's absolutely nothing positive that will come from you. Just trying to prove some point.

So, let me spare you the time as your input is no longer welcomed, as I see you're just out to prove a point and to try and diminish one in favor of the other.

Quite frankly, you've given me another completely different viewpoint of where you come from on these posts, whereas I used to read yours with a lot of interest, although I always suspected you had something to prove to others.

Move along now TAZA.

FINI.

LMAO thats all im going to say... Definitely not worth my time anymore.

Uh, I wasn't referring to you. The other guy posted it - I didn't even bother looking at it and made an assumption, and figured he wasn't going to be objective. But, after a couple of posts and then having it brought out, I viewed it. I'm 99% certain that's a VT kit, not that it's any slouch.

LMAO so you make assumptions a lot apparently.

Anyway, that wasn't aimed at you - :blah::blah:

Contrary to what some might think, I do respect the others, it just wasn't for me. I hope this clears the air. Not interested in the drama and this isn't a ESS v. the World thread. Peace.

Umm WTF do you expect when you post ESS is the pioneer of S54 F/I? You started this ****. Its funny how you took it insanely personal and started attacking me which obviously identifies some hidden issues on your end. :bawling:

mtran850

04-29-2009, 08:36 PM

Uh, I wasn't referring to you. The other guy posted it - I didn't even bother looking at it and made an assumption, and figured he wasn't going to be objective. But, after a couple of posts and then having it brought out, I viewed it. I'm 99% certain that's a VT kit, not that it's any slouch.

Anyway, that wasn't aimed at you - :blah::blah:

BTW, I will post my dyno, but it's not to compare to AA, VF, or anything else. It's my baseline and what I'll compare to when I get the race headers/cats, balance of exhaust, and what may follow down the road after ESS opens their facility in Phoenix.

Contrary to what some might think, I do respect the others, it just wasn't for me. I hope this clears the air. Not interested in the drama and this isn't a ESS v. the World thread. Peace.

:hi: That cool, I thought you were referring to me as I was the last post, I did look at ESS kit for a Z4 3.0 for awhile now. I have not heard any bad story about them. As long as they are honest and support their product they will do well and I will contact them about a Twin Screw kit for the Z4. It just now they have recently enter the US market. The kit look good with a good blower too. Good luck with your build and hope to see more vid of more ESS kit.

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 08:46 PM

Umm WTF do you expect when you post ESS is the pioneer of S54 F/I? You started this ****.

WTF is your malfunction? You go on and on with this sh!t like a little baby. Why don't you just grow up!?!

Its funny how you took it insanely personal and started attacking me which obviously identifies some hidden issues on your end. :bawling:

You're absolutely laughable. I cleared this little issue up for how many times now? And you're so F'N hung up on it! :bawling: :loco: I think that really-really got to you deep or something. Dude, take a F'N pill or go get some therapy! :confused::loco: You have issues - just get off it already. :tsk:

Notwithstanding your nonsense, yeah, "that's the ticket" with this BOGOUSITY (new word made up just for you - perhap Dennis Miller will take note) you jump on here spewing stuff about ESS when you haven't even seen one, or know WTF you're talking about. Then you put up that youtube clip as to try and prove a point about something, WTF I don't know, yet you don't even identify which one it is. :blah:

I can see why you've gotten kicked off a forum I know of. Now just buzz off already as I'm not interested in now what you think, or what you'll think in the future. PFFFFFT. Perhaps go jump back into this spaceship or whatever it is you call that, or did. Earth to Taza, Earth to Taza, you copy?:lmao:

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 08:59 PM

:hi: That cool, I thought you were referring to me as I was the last post, I did look at ESS kit for a Z4 3.0 for awhile now. I have not heard any bad story about them. As long as they are honest and support their product they will do well and I will contact them about a Twin Screw kit for the Z4. It just now they have recently enter the US market. The kit look good with a good blower too. Good luck with your build and hope to see more vid of more ESS kit.

I'm glad to clear that up because I really don't want to get cross with anyone, not even Taza. But I've got cojones too and just don't like the bullying.

In any case, my experience thus far has been very good. I wasn't certain given the primary location for the moment being in Norway, but in all honesty it's been totally seemless.

The guy in Norway is Hans, and initially when I would call the US number I had no idea I was speaking with him in Norway! I had to pause though on the accent as I couldn't put my finger on it. Then I realized it. In any case, he along with AJ, Chris, Rom3n have been extremely attentive.

I'm very new to this part of the performance scene, I'm learning and I have a long way to go. Same with the package on the car as this is a start.

I have zero illusions about this, just extremely excited to get to this point.

I do regret any confusion with you, and even the posts with Taza, but I don't roll over for anyone.

Peace brother.

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 10:26 PM

WTF is your malfunction? You go on and on with this sh!t like a little baby. Why don't you just grow up!?!

You're absolutely laughable. I cleared this little issue up for how many times now? And you're so F'N hung up on it! :bawling: :loco: I think that really-really got to you deep or something. Dude, take a F'N pill or go get some therapy! :confused::loco: You have issues - just get off it already. :tsk:

Notwithstanding your nonsense, yeah, "that's the ticket" with this BOGOUSITY (new word made up just for you - perhap Dennis Miller will take note) you jump on here spewing stuff about ESS when you haven't even seen one, or know WTF you're talking about. Then you put up that youtube clip as to try and prove a point about something, WTF I don't know, yet you don't even identify which one it is. :blah:

I can see why you've gotten kicked off a forum I know of. Now just buzz off already as I'm not interested in now what you think, or what you'll think in the future. PFFFFFT. Perhaps go jump back into this spaceship or whatever it is you call that, or did. Earth to Taza, Earth to Taza, you copy?:lmao:

People like you make me seriously reconsider participating in these forums.:facepalm: You have an absolute nightmare of a personality. :rolleyes: Good luck with your ESS kit! Hope it sounds like you want. ;)

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 10:36 PM

People like you make me seriously reconsider participating in these forums.:facepalm: You have an absolute nightmare of a personality. :rolleyes: Good luck with your ESS kit! Hope it sounds like you want. ;)

Well Taza you should start with your sh!t. But, please take this as a goodwill gesture from me - perhaps you're too young for it, just the same - peace (I mean that).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbY9ePebWB8

TaZaM3

04-29-2009, 10:41 PM

:neener:

GJGM3

04-29-2009, 10:47 PM

The debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfGD5FgtNtY

6ick6ix6peed

04-30-2009, 12:11 AM

<img src='http://forum.E46Fanatics.com/images/smilies/Lurking.gif'>:argue:

mikem7709

04-30-2009, 12:21 AM

Tazza`s vid shows a VT440 against a tuned E39 M5. It says 440HP M3 at the start.

GJGM3

04-30-2009, 07:49 AM

<img src='http://forum.E46Fanatics.com/images/smilies/Lurking.gif'>:argue:

That's a really nice looking engine bay. Is that a Vorsteiner engine cover, and is it painted or custom carbon fiber? Reason being, it looks like theirs but I can't tell on the finish. Very nice just the same.

6ick6ix6peed

04-30-2009, 06:12 PM

That's a really nice looking engine bay. Is that a Vorsteiner engine cover, and is it painted or custom carbon fiber? Reason being, it looks like theirs but I can't tell on the finish. Very nice just the same.

Thanks, yes its red carbon fiber from vorstiener. :str8pimpi
http://photos.e46fanatics.com/data/500/blow6.jpg

GJGM3

05-03-2009, 01:58 AM

Thanks, yes its red carbon fiber from vorstiener. :str8pimpi
http://photos.e46fanatics.com/data/500/blow6.jpg

That's a beautiful piece for sure.

GJGM3

05-03-2009, 02:01 AM

Here's the sound of my car with stock exhaust, no rasp though - you can hear the jet-engine sound of the blower. Also, when you upshift it does have this fantastic "whoosh" sound to it.

I'm just going to get the euro headers/cats and an ss x-pipe resonated and leave the oem muffler on, this way I'll be able to increase the boost and power from 500 to 550. I actually like this a lot.

[URL="http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/GJGM3/?action=view&current=MVI_2983.flv"[/URL]

Silveraudi

05-03-2009, 11:30 AM

Have you seen this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74YpnTQUdcw

Hmm, I would expect the M3 to trash the M5... my SKII 330ci (my car has 19" wheels vs the Z8´s 18" and the Z8 had driver and 1 passenger while I had myself plus 2 passengers) only got a car lenght from a friends Z8 (stock, but its faster than a stock M5 anyways), and thats running up to 155 mph (both were limited). Is a chipped M5 much faster than a Z8 ??
I´ll make a clip next time we can make a run with both our cars. (the Z8 is his dad´s and its always in Algarve while we both live in Lisbon, so its not very easy to get both cars together, but it´ll happen again, probably in the summer)

GJGM3

05-03-2009, 11:47 AM

Hmm, I would expect the M3 to trash the M5... my SKII 330ci (my car has 19" wheels vs the Z8´s 18" and the Z8 had driver and 1 passenger while I had myself plus 2 passengers) only got a car lenght from a friends Z8 (stock, but its faster than a stock M5 anyways), and thats running up to 155 mph (both were limited). Is a chipped M5 much faster than a Z8 ??
I´ll make a clip next time we can make a run with both our cars. (the Z8 is his dad´s and its always in Algarve while we both live in Lisbon, so its not very easy to get both cars together, but it´ll happen again, probably in the summer)

I don't know anything about that setup. I have the ESS CFR500 setup, and the CFR550 (same except with euro headers/cats, different pulley to run 7.5 psi versus my 6.5 psi) did "trash" the faster E60 M5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJbBNv3EIU

Silveraudi

05-03-2009, 12:43 PM

I don't know anything about that setup. I have the ESS CFR500 setup, and the CFR550 (same except with euro headers/cats, different pulley to run 7.5 psi versus my 6.5 psi) did "trash" the faster E60 M5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJbBNv3EIU

Exactly I totally belive that.. I would expect a CFR550 to trash the E60 M5 (stock) even worse then on that video, but I´ve already read that the M3 on that video had a slipping clutch so thats why !
My SKII 8.5PSI 330ci only got a car lenght from a Z8 with smaller wheels and less people inside, that why I said it was strange that a 440hp M3 would be eaten by a chipped M5 (which stock is slower then the Z8)

Best of luck with your kit ! If I had an M3 and were to get a S/C, I would choose the same thing !

GJGM3

05-03-2009, 01:07 PM

Your car must be a beast! That Z8 must have been totally surprised - FTW!

Silveraudi

05-03-2009, 07:22 PM

Your car must be a beast! That Z8 must have been totally surprised - FTW!

The Z8 is from a friends dad, we picked it up and went to the highway to test both cars... I was expecting the Z8 to slaughter me but it didn´t (gotta say I was thrilled, even having lost by a CL)...

BOOST FTMFW !!!

Chris@ESS

05-04-2009, 01:52 AM

Awesome stuff Gerard!

As for that race against the E60 M5. Magnus's E46M3 is a CFR550 and actually pulled about 8 car lengths up to 140 mph against that E60 M5.

Oh yes, it's fast!

johnjohnsonS54

05-04-2009, 03:04 AM

Awesome stuff Gerard!

As for that race against the E60 M5. Magnus's E46M3 is a CFR550 and actually pulled about 8 car lengths up to 140 mph against that E60 M5.

Oh yes, it's fast!

That is a great looking and performing M! When I do go F/I it would be nice to know that I'll be able to take out M5's after spending so much $$ on a kit. The CFR kits are certainly looking pretty tempting these days.

Do you guys by chance have any graphs that compare the CFR 500 or 550 torque curves to any other vortech based kits? (ESS or VF) I'd just like to visualize the midrange torque difference of the asa blower.

GJGM3

05-04-2009, 08:13 AM

Awesome stuff Gerard!

As for that race against the E60 M5. Magnus's E46M3 is a CFR550 and actually pulled about 8 car lengths up to 140 mph against that E60 M5.

Oh yes, it's fast!

Yeah, his 550 is what inspired me actually. I'll be looking to get a set of euro headers/cats, then order the pulley and reprogramming of the ECU. I'm for sure taking it to 550. Thanks.

Chris@ESS

05-04-2009, 01:12 PM

That is a great looking and performing M! When I do go F/I it would be nice to know that I'll be able to take out M5's after spending so much $$ on a kit. The CFR kits are certainly looking pretty tempting these days.

Do you guys by chance have any graphs that compare the CFR 500 or 550 torque curves to any other vortech based kits? (ESS or VF) I'd just like to visualize the midrange torque difference of the asa blower.

I will see if I can dig up some dyno sheets for you.

Basically peak power is made in the mid-range for the ASA blower whereas the Vortech climbs and peaks at redline. This is not to say that the ASA doesn't pull up top, but it reaches its full potential much earlier than the Vortech allowing for all the needed power at virtually any given mid-range RPM.

johnjohnsonS54

05-04-2009, 01:32 PM

jtrejo

05-04-2009, 01:33 PM

Thanks, yes its red carbon fiber from vorstiener. :str8pimpi
http://photos.e46fanatics.com/data/500/blow6.jpg

did someone edit this pic to have the strut bar under neath the maifold? looks wierd:confused:

GJGM3

05-04-2009, 01:40 PM

I will see if I can dig up some dyno sheets for you.

Basically peak power is made in the mid-range for the ASA blower whereas the Vortech climbs and peaks at redline. This is not to say that the ASA doesn't pull up top, but it reaches its full potential much earlier than the Vortech allowing for all the needed power at virtually any given mid-range RPM.

~215 miles on it so far. Hoping to get a dyno this Friday as I should have 400+ miles on it by then.

I can say that the torque on my car is CRAZY! From 2k you sense it, 3k to 4k you know the boost is there and that the COJONES are coming up and the CFR is asking "do you have more balls than I do?", 4k+ something happens and it's like someone in the back seat is pulling you hard into the back of your seat. It's very impressive! I've had it above 5K a couple of times, and honestly by accident as I'm trying hard, very-very hard to be respectful of the break-in period without pushing it.

The boost builds up so fast from 3k that before you know it you redline. I went from 2nd to 3rd this way and with my DSC off it surprised the cr*ap out of me because for my first time with boost I wasn't expecting the rear tires to totally break loose on me (first FI car ever). I regained quickly, and still trying to be respectful of the break-in period, I took 3rd to about 5-5.5k and shifted to 4th and all I can say is the experience was very wicked!:evil:

It's a torque BEAST!

GJGM3

05-04-2009, 01:49 PM

Thanks Chriss,

Would love to see the charts if you have em but it's no biggy as I understand what you're saying. For me that extra midrange would be very welcome on my more or less daily driven car.

I'm just curious, did you guys go with air to air intercooling on the cfr kits mostly due to lower weight or high speed efficiency or something? Both air to air and air to water systems seem to be very effective on the s54.........just wondering why the difference in your kits?

Last question for now. If you want to, can you run the stock grill in front of the intercooler on the cfr kits?

Thanks!

I'll take the last question if that's okay since I just had mine installed and "no", you'd have to do something custom to fix it on there because there's a little trimming action needed on the bumper for the FMIC.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/GJGM3/Gs%20Cars/IMG_6285.jpg

johnjohnsonS54

05-05-2009, 03:41 AM

Thanks G.......car is looking awsome. You must be close to finishing the break in by now, no?

GJGM3

05-05-2009, 07:45 AM

Yeah, just driving back/forth to work this week and that should do it. Taking the car in tomorrow to make sure everything is still tight (clamps, etc.). The power feels terrific!

BreakMyWallet

05-05-2009, 11:16 AM

:eek:

first page is a little sketchy with all the bicker.

car looks great G. how u liking the SC?

GJGM3

05-05-2009, 11:21 AM

I'ts really awesome. My first FI car and it's a lot of fun and makes me understand why some say "boost is addicting" - LOL! I haven't pushed it yet and I'm hoping to get a dyno this Friday.

Page 1 delete would be nice! LOL.

m3racing

05-05-2009, 11:46 PM

I cant wait to see vids gerard.. Im thinking of going VF SS.. what ya think?? later upgrade to stage 2

GJGM3

05-05-2009, 11:55 PM

I cant wait to see vids gerard.. Im thinking of going VF SS.. what ya think?? later upgrade to stage 2

First, WHOA, I really like your sig and what you've done with your car!

FI in general is really cool, but I like ESS better, especially the numbers. The SS & VT are comparable, but the VT's blower can be upgraded way beyond the SS blower, and has more torque.

But, this isn't intended to knock the SS, I mean I looked at them seriously, but I then decided given comparable costs it was a better deal performance wise to get the VT. One day later I decided to just get what I really wanted and of course that's what I have. LOL. I'm really-really digging it, very much!

I've also seen on other forums people happy with that setup too. Before you pull the trigger though, do what I did and conduct your due diligence - compare.

Either way, good luck - boost is really cool! Never really knew what I was missing out on, and now I'm glad to tout an excellent setup and seemingly great company for FI.

There's a new player in town for the E46 M3 community! :pimpin:

m3racing

05-06-2009, 12:00 AM

GJGM3

05-06-2009, 12:23 AM

The VFE SS manifold is a handsome piece, that's for sure! I like the way the blower plugs right in to it, looks great. I suppose if the aesthetic of that is more important than the apples to apples power, then it's understandable. It really didn't come down to that for me though.

I did call VFE and I spoke with them prior to deciding. I asked about any deals, etc., and there really weren't any. I thought Sean was very friendly and I can see where they get their good reputation for service. For sure there are a lot of people who own their kits that say that, so there's something to it. Again, I don't want to downplay their setup to prop up ESS' because they stand on their own. I'm sure you'll be happy either way, and stage II would be nice as well. However, if you're thinking of stepping up to stage II, then ESS has their own stage II coming out with their own manifold, yet they will use the same blower whereas I understand you'll need to swap out the SS blower to upgrade to VF stage II. So, it really comes down to power I think and cost.

With regard to service, I'm not affiliated in any way, and I can tell you in all honesty that I have no complaints at all. I'm not sure where this issue comes from because every question I've had from the time I ordered, then changed my order to the CFR500 has been answered and promptly. In fact, when I call if someone doesn't pick up in Phoenix, Hans in picks up. At first I didn't even know I was speaking to someone in Norway, although I suspected with the accent that was probably the case, but wasn't certain.

Lastly, ESS as I understand it will be opening a state-of-the-art facility in Phoenix, AZ this year. From there they will be selling their kits, providing builds (I hope to jump up to the 700), and of course regular service. Right now the ECU is shipped to the existing office there where they program it. I sent mine there, of course, and they turned it around the same day they got it and I had it the next day. No issues.

Just the same, best of luck Cuong as that's the only piece your beastly car is begging for! LOL. I totally dig your ride and whether ESS or VFE you'll do fine with either. Good luck!

Transporter99

05-06-2009, 01:17 AM

:eek:

first page is a little sketchy with all the bicker.

car looks great G. how u liking the SC?

No kidding!

But I've had my run-ins with people on this board, and it is what it is.

But I back my man G all day, everyday. He was one of the first people I met in Minnesota years ago, and has been a good friend ever since.

Looking good, G. :) Can't wait to see it in June!!

Chris@ESS

05-06-2009, 04:01 AM

yeah I just dont like the fact the ess vt450 uses the stock manifold and the bad customer support I seem to hear. I feel like customer support has to be 100% there when something goes wrong since Im pretty new to F/I as well.

Actually, there is a reason why for stage 1 we use the stock manifold and stage 2 uses a replacement intake manifold.

The design of the stock manifold from BMW for the S54 is specifically designed to create certain amounts of air pressure and velocity. If you were to pull the manifold off, you would see the inside is not just hollow, but is designed to maximize the air velocity coming through using specially designed trumpets. After a lot of research and development, we found that replacing the stock manifold under the boost pressure of stage 1 was actually inefficient and resulted in a decrease in mid-range torque and overall power.

The reason stage 2 uses a different manifold is for added cooling purposes, BUT there is also much more boost being pushed through into the motor, compensating for the loss of the trumpets in the stock manifold.

We didn't continue to use the stock manifold just to make stage 1 cheaper, although that is a plus :) , we did it to maximize performance and efficiency.

Regards,

Chris