VF is now a PAST SITE SPONSOR?

[Novare330]

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/member.php?u=27358

seems as though they no longer sponsor the site, though i could be wrong and maybe their sponsorship account expired and they are in the process of renewing it? :hmm:

can anyone shed some light on this, and if in fact they no longer sponsor this forum, why they chose to end their sponsorship? :lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Define ///M3]

novare where can i see more pics of your ride? i know im off topic to your post but sick ride.

[Owtlaw333]

Tim has visited their profile quite recently :eeps:

[Novare330]

novare where can i see more pics of your ride? i know im off topic to your post but sick ride.

:hi::bow::thanks:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=675187&highlight=novare330

[Define ///M3]

wow..:drool:

[mpower95]

Who cares?!?!:tsk:

[A55A55IN]

I think only Nik's account is past site sponsor, look at all the other VF ones.

edit: nvm their all past site sponsor now..this wasn't the case a few days ago but i noticed Nik being a past site sponsor for about a week for so.

[paraklas]

They probably sued Tim for allowing members against vf to register :lmao:

[Forcefed M3]

They probably sued Tim for allowing members against vf to register :lmao:

omg priceless...and the truth shall set you free...or get you banned on other forums..lmao

[funkboy316]

They probably sued Tim for allowing members against vf to register :lmao:

lol....you say that in jest, but i can almost gaurantee you that if they sent ravi an email threatening lawsuit, e46fanatics.com got one as well, requesting the imediate removal of negative posts or lawsuit.........ive a post stating that very thing on m3forum in which the vfmoderators promptly did....kudos to tim for standing up to those whiney fools....

[Forcefed M3]

They went back to where they use this book with every post about motor problems.

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/5/57/Censorship_for_Dummies.png/300px-Censorship_for_Dummies.png

[docwyte]

Seriously, what is your problem? You haven't proven one damn thing and all you do is harp over and over again. I've got the exact same kit as Ravi, have run it more than three times the distance as him, including hard track miles and I haven't had an issue.

You've got your nose so far up HPF's ass it's coming out their mouth. They don't need you to be their mouthpiece, so why not give it a rest?

[Focal E46]

It's probably for the best. I got screwed... not sure who else.

[rkneeshaw]

bitter much?

[Ultim8-One]

Seriously guys ....... enough is enough ! :banghead: I think there is plenty of bad publicity here that there is no longer a need to continue rehashing the Ravi issues !! I know for a fact that enough doubt has been placed into the minds of perspective SC buyers that VF has in fact lost business. Me included .... Can we just agree to disagree and move on .... you're starting to ruin the attraction to this forum.

[InDiGlOM3]

Doc would you quit with that ravi thing, we dont care.....it turned into a VF owner is a dip **** with how he runs his business and his mouth on the forum. not so much there kit sucks but it does......what other brand sales a kit that in there intructions it says oh your belt might rub and u can do whatever to fix it urself instead of just making it so that doesnt happen themselves....anyways, delta isnt up anyone's ass, he just knows what vf is really about and lets everyone else know every chance he can. again not exactly talking about there kit, just VF in general.

[docwyte]

Please. He's the biggest fanboi on the boards. He uses every single opportunity to sling innuendo and hash all over VF.

No, I'm not going to quit with the Ravi thing as it's integral to all the BS going on here. First of all, he wasn't honest at all in describing his issues with the kit to me before I bought it. Secondly and most importantly, if the kit was the cause of the problems, I'd be sitting on a blown motor and I'm not.

I'm getting pretty pissed off about Ravi's car being used as an example of how VF's kit is bad. Really? Hmm, than how come my car is running fine? Also, the more it gets talked about, the more information Ravi brings up that he happened to not tell me at the time of purchase.

Just as all of you poke fun at M3forum for being a VF lovefest, this board here is the same way with HPF. I like them and I like their product, but to constantly say that their kits have no problems is just a load. Every aftermarket FI kit has their problems. ESS, VF, AA, VF, whomever, they all have their little quirks and issues.

[nickr519]

Seriously, what is your problem? You haven't proven one damn thing and all you do is harp over and over again. I've got the exact same kit as Ravi, have run it more than three times the distance as him, including hard track miles and I haven't had an issue.

You've got your nose so far up HPF's ass it's coming out their mouth. They don't need you to be their mouthpiece, so why not give it a rest?

haha very interesting, but I think we could say similar things about what people have to say over on VF-Forum :dunno:

[Novare330]

Seriously guys ....... enough is enough ! :banghead: I think there is plenty of bad publicity here that there is no longer a need to continue rehashing the Ravi issues !! I know for a fact that enough doubt has been placed into the minds of perspective SC buyers that VF has in fact lost business. Me included .... Can we just agree to disagree and move on .... you're starting to ruin the attraction to this forum.

Doc would you quit with that ravi thing, we dont care.....it turned into a VF owner is a dip **** with how he runs his business and his mouth on the forum. not so much there kit sucks but it does......what other brand sales a kit that in there intructions it says oh your belt might rub and u can do whatever to fix it urself instead of just making it so that doesnt happen themselves....anyways, delta isnt up anyone's ass, he just knows what vf is really about and lets everyone else know every chance he can. again not exactly talking about there kit, just VF in general.

Please. He's the biggest fanboi on the boards. He uses every single opportunity to sling innuendo and hash all over VF.

No, I'm not going to quit with the Ravi thing as it's integral to all the BS going on here. First of all, he wasn't honest at all in describing his issues with the kit to me before I bought it. Secondly and most importantly, if the kit was the cause of the problems, I'd be sitting on a blown motor and I'm not.

I'm getting pretty pissed off about Ravi's car being used as an example of how VF's kit is bad. Really? Hmm, than how come my car is running fine? Also, the more it gets talked about, the more information Ravi brings up that he happened to not tell me at the time of purchase.

Just as all of you poke fun at M3forum for being a VF lovefest, this board here is the same way with HPF. I like them and I like their product, but to constantly say that their kits have no problems is just a load. Every aftermarket FI kit has their problems. ESS, VF, AA, VF, whomever, they all have their little quirks and issues.

lol VF @ listed twice...

all FI companies have their quirks yes, including AA, ESS, HPF, and what have you, but none of the above listed FI companies have gone as far as to sue customers and forums for posted or allowing negative reviews of their company, VF has also threatened its unhappy customers, an unheard of practice in ANY business, they claim to be the victim of smear campaigns when nik himself was making posts in this very forum using childish names to put down Active's product in an attempt to promote their own, guess they cant stand behind their own products enough to let facts and numbers win over their customers.

you guys wanna talk about fan boys? i think the few VF owners in here who choose to speak up and defend a company with obviously more than questionable business practices that EVERYONE sees are the TRUE fan boys, honestly, how do you justify the way VF has handled themselves in the past year or so with the countless unhappy customers, unresolved issues, threats and lawsuits against customers for speaking out about negative experiences, threats and lawsuits against forums who allow its members to speak out about a negative experience with VF, the way they have their company administrators come on a public forum and use middle school tactics to bad mouth rival companies, etc etc etc.

i dont know about you, but ive never seen AA, ESS, HPF do ANY of these things

[mhagley323]

:popcorn:

[Ravij]

nonsense!

[mpower95]

:facepalm: This never ends. :facepalm:

Stuff like this makes me want to stay way from these forums!

[djnekkon]

I just wasted 5 minutes of my live.

[shady3one3]

Doc, I could care less if i was honest or not! If i had listed my problems and all the bad rep of vf, do you thing i would of should my kit? I have no ****ing regret, ill never see you in person, just on the forums! The "kit" is running fine on your car, so please ****!

How do you explain drippabmw? or the other three?

wow, most douchey post of the year right there.


(And the phrase is "couldn't care less". If you COULD care less, that means you currently care. :idea: )

Why do you people all get so hyped over this drama fest? By now everyone should know that there is no such thing as an easy bolt-on kit that is guaranteed trouble free. Every kit we've touched, from each different company, has had its problems. If you're going FI just accept that you're going to have some kind of issue and it may cost quite a bit to make right. If you like one company's hardware, buy it, use it, enjoy it. If you don't like the hardware, don't buy it. Everything else is just nonsense.

[MachRc]

its just sucks really..Im sure in person we'd prob all get along(prob not) but really, its just less tuners involved in our community and thats always never really a good thing .

were all in the same FI board.. there isnt somekind of line standard, you get FI and your on the team and the product you choose represents you and your choices.

**** if HPF for instance was the only kit on the e46 m3, Id stop visiting FI and think, "f0ck these **** eyed mates and their meth addiction and their 20k dollar kits!", shi7 20k dropped on a e92 m3 sounds more like it in with small arse bank account...Finacing would be the only way..but shiiiiiie7 nuhhhjas fcuk a bank, Ill sell my m3 and get a nissan.

SURE~
I like/love the products I purchase and brings me joy. ASA, ESS, TECHNIK ive had a slice of the pie and it is good.
But lately its been some kind of hard line drawn..maybe its fan boyism, maybe its retaliation for being censor'd (we r we r vf tro0pers!)


I just hope they still answer some questions on the board for some folks.


I hear sponsorship is not cheap on e46

maybe they dipped like they dipped on the non-ms...

[Novare330]

I just wasted 5 minutes of my live.

your fault for clicking on the thread :dunno:

[Forcefed M3]

Seriously, what is your problem? You haven't proven one damn thing and all you do is harp over and over again. I've got the exact same kit as Ravi, have run it more than three times the distance as him, including hard track miles and I haven't had an issue.

You've got your nose so far up HPF's ass it's coming out their mouth. They don't need you to be their mouthpiece, so why not give it a rest?

Whats the weather like up Niks ass, I am not a mouth piece for HPF. I am a victum of VF and so are alot of other people. Have you lost thousand of dollars? No you bought a used kit and have been lucky so far. I find it strang when I was nuking HPF of the forums not one person came running to HPF's aid, yet when VF is in the cross hairs everyone is crying about it.

Just because you haven't had an issue (did I mention he's selling his car), doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with the kit. Over and over I asked VF the same question, "what will VF do for the people who blow their motors". VF refuses to answer the question. You claim nothing is wrong with the VF kit because it works on your car, what about the half dozen or so peope who blew their motors?? In one case with less than 300 miles on it. If VF truley tunes a car why would ther tell people to use a resistor?? Why would you need a resistor when you can tell the ecu what to see, why the need to trick it. I haven't proved one damn thing?? according to you, VF's recommened clutch blew my transmission, Ravi's motor blew after install was verified and his car dyno'd with in 1 horse power of me. Explain this why does a VF dyno plot show numbers decreasing after 2+ pulls. AA ans ESS dont do it, it the ecu pulling timing for misfires. You show me 1 dyno where a VF car did 5 pulls and the dyno numbers stayed pretty much the same. The fact is your selling your car and like a typical used car sales man, you claim there is nothing wrong with it.
How do you know nothing is wrong with your bottom end? Have you opened it up and inspected it or is it that you dont have oil pouring into your intake "yet". You and Nik have changed your stories like people change their underware, you simply state what cause the motor to fail with what fits the conversation at the time. I have an email from Nik stating it was cause from a catch can.. Omg really a catch can, wow prove that one. Then it was a install error, then it was because hpf put a kit on, then it was something wrong with his motor before his VF install. Ravi and I have the photos, pistons and dyno's to prove that it was a failure due to VF s/c and no tuning. If you have no motor damage..good for you, your better off that several other people who are not so lucky.

[alwaysbored786]

HPF > VF. /thread

[shj266]

:popcorn:

[Define ///M3]

Whats VF guys? Vagina Fvcking...if so im in.:eek:

[Forcefed M3]

HPF > VF. /thread

lol..No ESS and AA are good companies too..lol..ahh friday drama

[E46 S54B32]

AA (non m)
hpf(m3)

:popcorn:

[bluejeansonfire]

Doc, I could care less if i was honest or not! If i had listed my problems and all the bad rep of vf, do you thing i would of should my kit? I have no ****ing regret, ill never see you in person, just on the forums! The "kit" is running fine on your car, so please ****!

How do you explain drippabmw? or the other three?

sorry for your vf troubles, but it seems your only redeeming quality on this forum, as a member of this community is your honesty, now. I hope people remember this post.

[A55A55IN]

It's probably for the best. I got screwed... not sure who else.

what happened with you?

[Ravij]

vent!

[firefirefire90]

you FI guys really have nothing else better to talk about, do ya?

[GJGM3]

:popcorn:

[Ravij]

you FI guys really have nothing else better to talk about, do ya?

nope, its friday, and i got the day off...

[Forcefed M3]

Doc, I could care less if i was honest or not! If i had listed my problems and all the bad rep of vf, do you thing i would of sold my kit? I have no ****ing regret, ill never see you in person, just on the forums! The "kit" is running fine on your car, so please ****!

How do you explain drippabmw? or the other three?


This is a comment made out of frustration. He has stated his position on this over and over. He has been accused of everything under the sun on this. Yet the people accusing him have never seen the parts or car in person, how can you judge if you never have seen the evidence. Ravi has been on here a long long time and is a stand up guy. Doc complains about Ravi not telling him about his motor issues and then claims his car is running perfect..So whats the problem?? I know the date that Ravi sold his S/C and I know the date he found out that his motor had to be rebuilt, I can tell you for a fact the S/C was sold and shipped when he found out that he had collapsed ring lands. Ravi is singled out by the VF fan club because he refused to hide and posted up pics and threatening PM's. Yet the truth remains that VF will not answer my question, "what will VF do for the people who blow their motors". AA and HPF have both answered that question with their actions. VF silence and leaving this forum speaks for its self, offering parts at cost and charging for labor is hardly begin taken care of.

[Forcefed M3]

:popcorn:

smartass..lol

[firefirefire90]

nope, its friday, and i got the day off...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[InDiGlOM3]

Doc, you call this forum a HPF lovefest or whatever. Well if m3forum wasnt so gye. and let chris post there then it would be a hpf lovefest too haha

[Forcefed M3]

Doc, you call this forum a HPF lovefest or whatever. Well if m3forum wasnt so gye. and let chris post there then it would be a hpf lovefest too haha

well put..great I probably just got banned over there now for posting this

[funkboy316]

man, i looks like i missed a fun morning!...lol

i was busy putting a hitachi maf on my hpf kit to squeeze few more ponies out of it.........

[Forcefed M3]

man, i looks like i missed a fun morning!...lol

i was busy putting a hitachi maf on my hpf kit to squeeze few more ponies out of it.........


you using that to tune your car now??:lmao::lmao:

[mpower95]

man, i looks like i missed a fun morning!...lol

i was busy putting a hitachi maf on my hpf kit to squeeze few more ponies out of it.........

You will need it to hang with the big boys down in TEXAS! You should go to Houston for the 1320 race they are having. Supras will eat you for lunch!

[funkboy316]

maybe so, but once they have to pull over for overheating their car and load it back on their dynoqueen trailer, i can still drop the top and take their ladies for a night on the town

[PatmanSC]

I think we should close the chapter on this book.

I suppose i'm a lucky one for being local to VF and when I had issues with my S/C, they were quick to fix and if it went wrong again, i can take the car back no issues, no hassle. They're actually good people in person and I'm sorry if you guys had the issues you guys had.

But then again, I think the approach VF took in response wasn't a good one either.

Either way, i'm happy I went HPF and they assured me I won't be ignored :)

[mikeluvdakids]

:popcorn:

[BMWh0r3]

:lmao: at the entire thread.


my view of the vf guys on here as i've stated before is the following: I'm a 4th generation owner of a family business and seeing how they acted in a few threads is appalling. I could never see myself or an employee of mine acting the way they have. I'm sure there were a few bad products they produced but they should have backed their work. NOT bash the customers. That said, I have seen vids of both VF and HPF vehicles. I am more impressed with HPF's kit than any.

[GJGM3]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/GJGM3/Gs%20Cars/Apples.jpg

[mhagley323]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/GJGM3/Gs%20Cars/Apples.jpg

:rofl:

[FutureMD32]

buy an AMG :eeps: :eeps:

[///JTM3]

buy an AMG :eeps: :eeps:

:facepalm:

[drippabmw]

I have not had one issue with my m3 since vac did the tune. And right after it was tuned and ready to go I sold it and he hasnt had any problems either. Miss the car but hated the fact VF left me in the cold!!! O we can sell you internals for cost, ya ok nik fcuk you. Ravi was the only one that could answer my questions when I sent him a pm on this forum. Didint know him at alll and still dont he left me his number in a pm and answered all my problems because they were the same ones he had. Nik on the other hand said call my techs on monday and they can help you or just disconnect you crank case vent hose and let it vent into the atmosphere to see if thats your problem. Not even 300 miles and puddles of oil under my car and could cover a entire highway in smoke under boost. I can sit here and complain all I want and tell everyone on here that stands behind vf to fcuk off too because I was the one that paid about 19,000 to rebuild my motor and I am a service manager for a bmw shop.

[docwyte]

I don't condone VF's behavior on the board at all. There have been instances where I think not posting at all would've been the right thing to do. Customers should never be attacked or threatened, period. Several of the sponsors have made total asses of themselves.

Ravi, you had multiple opportunities to answer my very pointed questions before I purchased the kit. The fact that you put selling the kit over your personal integrity and honesty says a lot about your complete lack of character. I hope everyone here stops and thinks about what Ravi has posted, basically he's more than willing to throw any of us under the bus. Karma's a b!tch.

Deltasleep, you have NO idea what the time line was or the specific conversations I had with Ravi, so I suggest you stop making yourself look like a fool. The car isn't for sale, no one seems to want to buy the green monster, so I'm keeping it. If I do sell the car, unlike Ravi I'll be completely honest and up front about it and the kit. Although that's very easy for me, as I have a moral compass and can honestly say that the kit has run perfectly.

For the last time, for the folks in the cheap seats, the Hitachi MAF is NOT used as a resistor! The programming flashed on the DME (just like AA and ESS btw) is made to specifically use the Hitachi MAF as a MAF! GIAC uses the Hitachi MAF on many of their platforms, like Porsche, Audi and VW as the Bosch MAF's have been extremely unreliable. Do a little research and you'll find that MAF failure is rampant on the VAG products. I've run GIAC software on almost all of my previous cars, racking up hundreds of thousands of miles with not one issue. I have complete confidence in the GIAC tune on my car.

I can't explain why DrippaBMW had problems. Would you have trucked your car to VF if they'd been willing to rebuild it had they been able to confirm a problem with the kit? If not, would you have been willing to truck it to a VF certified shop for inspection and if the kit was the issue worked on a solution with VF?

Do I think HPF should be a sponsor on M3Forum? Yes I do, however I have nothing to do with that decision.

I do think VF has been unfairly lambasted here by a couple of members. Yes, they could've handled some situations better, but if you do a search, you'll find people have been unhappy with AA and many other vendors. The dog piling is getting old and the childish behavior is simply below all of us.

[FutureMD32]

:facepalm:

lol..supposed to be a small joke to liven up things is all...

[Forcefed M3]

I have not had one issue with my m3 since vac did the tune. And right after it was tuned and ready to go I sold it and he hasnt had any problems either. Miss the car but hated the fact VF left me in the cold!!! O we can sell you internals for cost, ya ok nik fcuk you. Ravi was the only one that could answer my questions when I sent him a pm on this forum. Didint know him at alll and still dont he left me his number in a pm and answered all my problems because they were the same ones he had. Nik on the other hand said call my techs on monday and they can help you or just disconnect you crank case vent hose and let it vent into the atmosphere to see if thats your problem. Not even 300 miles and puddles of oil under my car and could cover a entire highway in smoke under boost. I can sit here and complain all I want and tell everyone on here that stands behind vf to fcuk off too because I was the one that paid about 19,000 to rebuild my motor and I am a service manager for a bmw shop.

you must have had a problem with your install or your motor before you installed your kit. Oh did you put a home made catch can on or maybe it was the HPF turbo kit..oh wait you didn't have a turbo kit. I am sad to see that after you got the car to run with a tune and built motor you sold it. No fun to drive a car that was so much head ache. Yet on the M3forum aka VF-forum there is nothing but praises, any factual info like this is removed and the member banned. So much for information sharing on these forums, VF has turned m3forum into their own moderator controlled forum..sad:rolleyes:

[funkboy316]

Oh did you put a home made catch can on or maybe it was the HPF turbo kit..oh wait you didn't have a turbo kit

I need to send Ravi a PM so he can make me a catch can to run with my new hitachi maf........that should add another 15-20 rwhp.

[Ravij]

I don't condone VF's behavior on the board at all. There have been instances where I think not posting at all would've been the right thing to do. Customers should never be attacked or threatened, period. Several of the sponsors have made total asses of themselves.

Ravi, you had multiple opportunities to answer my very pointed questions before I purchased the kit. The fact that you put selling the kit over your personal integrity and honesty says a lot about your complete lack of character. I hope everyone here stops and thinks about what Ravi has posted, basically he's more than willing to throw any of us under the bus. Karma's a b!tch.

Deltasleep, you have NO idea what the time line was or the specific conversations I had with Ravi, so I suggest you stop making yourself look like a fool. The car isn't for sale, no one seems to want to buy the green monster, so I'm keeping it. If I do sell the car, unlike Ravi I'll be completely honest and up front about it and the kit. Although that's very easy for me, as I have a moral compass and can honestly say that the kit has run perfectly.

For the last time, for the folks in the cheap seats, the Hitachi MAF is NOT used as a resistor! The programming flashed on the DME (just like AA and ESS btw) is made to specifically use the Hitachi MAF as a MAF! GIAC uses the Hitachi MAF on many of their platforms, like Porsche, Audi and VW as the Bosch MAF's have been extremely unreliable. Do a little research and you'll find that MAF failure is rampant on the VAG products. I've run GIAC software on almost all of my previous cars, racking up hundreds of thousands of miles with not one issue. I have complete confidence in the GIAC tune on my car.

I can't explain why DrippaBMW had problems. Would you have trucked your car to VF if they'd been willing to rebuild it had they been able to confirm a problem with the kit? If not, would you have been willing to truck it to a VF certified shop for inspection and if the kit was the issue worked on a solution with VF?

Do I think HPF should be a sponsor on M3Forum? Yes I do, however I have nothing to do with that decision.

I do think VF has been unfairly lambasted here by a couple of members. Yes, they could've handled some situations better, but if you do a search, you'll find people have been unhappy with AA and many other vendors. The dog piling is getting old and the childish behavior is simply below all of us.

I have pms of our convos from the beginning of the year about my oil problems! Im not sure why you keep posting, i never told you anything or everytime i post, you werent "informed"...
Quit sucking niks d!cks, you wont get a "free upgrade"

[Forcefed M3]

Deltasleep, you have NO idea what the time line was or the specific conversations I had with Ravi, so I suggest you stop making yourself look like a fool.

again more incorrect information, did I forget to mention that Ravi lives 20 minutes from me? So I am very aware of the facts, unlike your twisted short sighted view. Ravi's photo's with electronic data proves what Ravi and I have always stated. You and Nik are the ones who change their story with no evidence..


For the last time, for the folks in the cheap seats, the Hitachi MAF is NOT used as a resistor!

See perfect example of you not getting your facts straight. VF uses a hatachi maf to tune the car. They have people crimp in a resistor when the car has lean issue.. Would you like me to provide copies of Nik's emails on this?? I still have them where he tells me what resistors to try. A certain company proved the "VF tune" was b.s. by removing it, imagine that the car ran the same! Hence the red herring thread. If their was a tune on the car you would not see the car pulling timing, thats why you see dyno charts with numbers that are dropping after a few runs.


would you have been willing to truck it to a VF certified shop for inspection and if the kit was the issue worked on a solution with VF?
Why do that, VF recommened CARBCON to verify ravi's install and he was accused afterwards of installing it wrong.



I do think VF has been unfairly lambasted here by a couple of members.

I suppose people having to spend thousands and thousand of dollars to repair their cars and not getting support or returned calls or emails, is nothing to get upset about. You really have no room to have an opinion. Did your motor fail? Did your transmission fail? So how say people are lambasting VF when you haven't had to shell out $10k-$20k to repair your car and then get bashed for complaining about it. Tell ya what. Lets wait until you have to spend the same amount for a repair, then be ignored or threatened with a lawsuite if you talk and get flamed on the forums for complaining about it.

Doc I am glad your car is running strong, I really am. I wish you the same luck, no matter what kit someone has on their car I would never want to see their motor fail.

[docwyte]

Really? So do I. Anyone can also do a search here and see where you posted all sorts of information after I bought the kit.

If I decide to upgrade the car, I'll happily pay whatever the cost is. I haven't gotten a discount from any vendor for any parts on my car.

Keep up the insults, they just make you look even more petty and immature.

[funkboy316]

I have pms of our convos from the beginning of the year about my oil problems! Im not sure why you keep posting, i never told you anything or everytime i post, you werent "informed"...
Quit sucking niks d!cks, you wont get a "free upgrade"

VF customers dont have a choice, if they dont post "vf is the greatest decision ive ever made", they know they will be alienated when their motors blow.

[mr.325i]

Really? So do I. Anyone can also do a search here and see where you posted all sorts of information after I bought the kit.

If I decide to upgrade the car, I'll happily pay whatever the cost is. I haven't gotten a discount from any vendor for any parts on my car.

Keep up the insults, they just make you look even more petty and immature.

i wonder how much VF is wiring to your bank account so you can keep kissing ass:rolleyes::hi:

[docwyte]

The fact that you think the car will still run with a completely different MAF and larger injectors on supposedly stock programming is unbelievable. It simply won't and I would love to see you prove that point.

GIAC encrypts all their software. I very much doubt AA was able to see any code at all. Nothing new there, GIAC has been doing it to all their software across all their platforms for years.

I could really care less if you live 20 minutes from Ravi, I know what I asked him and when and what his answers were. I know what he's posted in the last few months and they're NOT what he told me before I bought the kit. In fact, most of the things he's recently posted he conveniently left out completely. You should re think your association with someone with such low moral character.

[docwyte]

Ugh. You guys are like talking to my 4 year old. No freaking logic used whatsoever.

VF is NOT sponsoring me at all. I have NO financial stake in any of this. I'm simply showing the other side of the coin. The exact same kit that Ravi had is on my car and is working perfectly. Multiple track days of WOT for 20-30 minutes at a time in triple digit heat with no issues. Deltasleep didn't have his motor blow did he? He was very happy with the VF kit and posted multiple times about it.

If my motor blows and I'm able to prove it was due to the VF kit, believe me, everyone will hear about it. I'll also let everyone know what VF proposes to do to take care of it. I have no agenda here and have been completely honest and upfront about my experiences. How you chose to use the information is up to you.

[MarvelPhx]

The fact that you think the car will still run with a completely different MAF and larger injectors on supposedly stock programming is unbelievable. It simply won't and I would love to see you prove that point.

GIAC encrypts all their software. I very much doubt AA was able to see any code at all. Nothing new there, GIAC has been doing it to all their software across all their platforms for years.



MAF: False, it will.
Injectors: False, it will, hence the different MAF needed.
Encryption: False, they don't. Never have.
It's perfectly stock tuning with a removed top speed limiter.
Just how it is.

[tom @ eas]

i wonder how much VF is wiring to your bank account so you can keep kissing ass:rolleyes::hi:

Funny, I was just thinking the same for some other individuals in here.

Let's try to keep this thread on a civil level.

[Ravij]

Funny, I was just thinking the same for some other individuals in here.

Let's try to keep this thread on a civil level.

If you are referring to me... not at all. I paid 30k+ for the motor and stage 2. still got my original invoices if anyone wants to see..

[docwyte]

Sigh. Have you met Garrett Lim? Have you met Jeff Moss? Have you been to the dyno with your own personal car and see them tune it? (with the Hitachi MAF btw!)

No? Hmm, guess you don't know WTF you're talking about then.

I've known both those guys for over 10 years now and have personally seen them in action. If you want to continue believing that the world is flat and the moon is made out of green cheese knock yourself out.

[HPFMTRE]

Sigh. Have you met Garrett Lim? Have you met Jeff Moss? Have you been to the dyno with your own personal car and see them tune it? (with the Hitachi MAF btw!)

No? Hmm, guess you don't know WTF you're talking about then.

I've known both those guys for over 10 years now and have personally seen them in action. If you want to continue believing that the world is flat and the moon is made out of green cheese knock yourself out.

:facepalm:

[MSpired]

How often do all you HPF guys get together with the guys at HPF and plan out this smear campaign?

[E46HARLEY]

some crazy ish going on between the competition (or the competitions' customers i should say)...

[funkboy316]

the next meeting is tommorrow, you should stop by.:rolleyes:

[AirFrcd]

man, i looks like i missed a fun morning!...lol

i was busy putting a hitachi maf on my hpf kit to squeeze few more ponies out of it.........

:lmao: :rofl: - Now that was pretty funny.

[MarvelPhx]

Sigh. Have you met Garrett Lim? Have you met Jeff Moss? Have you been to the dyno with your own personal car and see them tune it? (with the Hitachi MAF btw!)

No? Hmm, guess you don't know WTF you're talking about then.

I've known both those guys for over 10 years now and have personally seen them in action. If you want to continue believing that the world is flat and the moon is made out of green cheese knock yourself out.

Nope, dont need to meet either of them. Their past reputation has nothing to do with how it is being done this time around.

Don't believe me? Flash a Stage 2 VF car "back" to stock and they will run the exact same way as with the "custom flash". Try it yourself, you'll see.

:)

[Custom3]

damn this thread is getting good.... :popcorn:

[HPFMTRE]

How often do all you HPF guys get together with the guys at HPF and plan out this smear campaign?

Oh god. Here we go again. :rolleyes:

[photogenic]

wow there is a lot of behind the scene stuff going on that i obviously miss.

what is you all's problem? Do you have **** tons of stock invested in these companies? Why try and convince someone else to believe something else?

Let the companies do the advertising, yall paid good money for your kits, what is the point of being fanbois? BMW owner's are such douches!

[brycerichert]

FWIW... The only thing I hate about VF is having to buy their "special" oil for the SC. Other than that, so far so good, knock on wood, I flog the hell out of this car, I've got 15,000 on it since the install and about 10 track days and it still works... regularly shocking people with a 328i. It feels good, for what it is. Seems most stock cars have 270 at the wheels now!

BTW... haven't been around here much lately... where are these exciting threads where VF is banging???

[Forcefed M3]

How often do all you HPF guys get together with the guys at HPF and plan out this smear campaign?

Little birdy told me you blew your motor. Is it true? It's a smear campaign if you consider the truth smear. I find it amazing that doc states everyone will know if his motor fails. Yet the guys who's motor blew are not allowed to. I was happy with vf until advice from them blew my transmission and they started ignoring phone calls and email from people I recommended the kit to. I paid full price for my kit also, that's vf claims there.

[docwyte]

If you're naive enough to think that GIAC didn't actually do a full DME mapping the VF stage 2 cars, I have a bridge to sell you.

[FTWeisse]

You fools are retarded :spit:

[neil1138]

This thread is srs bsns, spr srs.

[Forcefed M3]

If you're naive enough to think that GIAC didn't actually do a full DME mapping the VF stage 2 cars, I have a bridge to sell you.

That going to be proved again. This time on camera..

[Lil. Lucas]

That going to be proved again. This time on camera..
Really? VF owners claim to be able to run there cars without the MAF plugged in without problems..

[Ultim8-One]

lol VF @ listed twice...

all FI companies have their quirks yes, including AA, ESS, HPF, and what have you, but none of the above listed FI companies have gone as far as to sue customers and forums for posted or allowing negative reviews of their company, VF has also threatened its unhappy customers, an unheard of practice in ANY business, they claim to be the victim of smear campaigns when nik himself was making posts in this very forum using childish names to put down Active's product in an attempt to promote their own, guess they cant stand behind their own products enough to let facts and numbers win over their customers.

you guys wanna talk about fan boys? i think the few VF owners in here who choose to speak up and defend a company with obviously more than questionable business practices that EVERYONE sees are the TRUE fan boys, honestly, how do you justify the way VF has handled themselves in the past year or so with the countless unhappy customers, unresolved issues, threats and lawsuits against customers for speaking out about negative experiences, threats and lawsuits against forums who allow its members to speak out about a negative experience with VF, the way they have their company administrators come on a public forum and use middle school tactics to bad mouth rival companies, etc etc etc.

i dont know about you, but ive never seen AA, ESS, HPF do ANY of these things

Since I was quoted in your response I just want to make the point here that I do NOT support anyone in this issue. Although there was certainly some good info that helped me narrow my choices down. Specifically one thing you mentioned here ...... business practices !!

[TotumDependeate]

wow there is a lot of behind the scene stuff going on that i obviously miss.

what is you all's problem? Do you have **** tons of stock invested in these companies? Why try and convince someone else to believe something else?

Let the companies do the advertising, yall paid good money for your kits, what is the point of being fanbois? BMW owner's are such douches!

:(

[MachRc]

Nope, dont need to meet either of them. Their past reputation has nothing to do with how it is being done this time around.

Don't believe me? Flash a Stage 2 VF car "back" to stock and they will run the exact same way as with the "custom flash". Try it yourself, you'll see.

:)

w0w..

[AMG ETR]

I am almost ashamed to be an HPF owner because of these threads...

[supersickbimmer]

I think everyone needs to go out and enjoy their kits. The smile on their faces should brighten the mood in the F.I. section.

I just did. LOL

[HPFMTRE]

I think everyone needs to go out and enjoy their kits. The smile on their faces should brighten the mood in the F.I. section.

I just did. LOL

Exactly.

[jetskier88]

I am shocked and dismayed at all the hostility in this thread. 2 bad thread in 2 weeks? Such scoundrels

its obviously clear that HPF has the best stuff.. they have a magnificent $100k car for sale to prove it

[Anthony@F1 Autohaüs]

^ Nice Ride....:drool:

[bigjae1976]

Every company will have unhappy customers, its just part of doing business. IMO, a vendor's conduct on these forums are a reflection of their customer service. From what I've seen of VF's, post they get quite defensive and tend to directly attack potential customers and other FI vendors. That is the reason that I will not buy anything from VF Engineering.

[photogenic]

:(

except for you. :hi:

[ThizzInc]

Every company will have unhappy customers, its just part of doing business. IMO, a vendor's conduct on these forums are a reflection of their customer service. From what I've seen VF post they get quite defensive and tend to directly attack potential customers and other FI vendors. That is the reason that I will not buy anything from VF Engineering.

+1 Well said. Were not the only ones that share this same commonalty. Too bad for them. :nono: Never again will I post on M3F or support VF in anyway. :thumbdwn:

[benjamin1]

:facepalm:

[T330]

:eeps:

[Jean@ActiveAutowerke]

I have not had one issue with my m3 since vac did the tune. And right after it was tuned and ready to go I sold it and he hasnt had any problems either. Miss the car but hated the fact VF left me in the cold!!! O we can sell you internals for cost, ya ok nik fcuk you. Ravi was the only one that could answer my questions when I sent him a pm on this forum. Didint know him at alll and still dont he left me his number in a pm and answered all my problems because they were the same ones he had. Nik on the other hand said call my techs on monday and they can help you or just disconnect you crank case vent hose and let it vent into the atmosphere to see if thats your problem. Not even 300 miles and puddles of oil under my car and could cover a entire highway in smoke under boost. I can sit here and complain all I want and tell everyone on here that stands behind vf to fcuk off too because I was the one that paid about 19,000 to rebuild my motor and I am a service manager for a bmw shop.

Hey,

I just wanted to clarify, the car was remotely tuned by Active Autowerke at VAC.

I have only heard good things from the new owner since he's taken delivery of the car. :woot:

[InDiGlOM3]

So his vf car actually has a tune now from AA, he should be good to go then

[bigjae1976]

Hey,

I just wanted to clarify, the car was remotely tuned by Active Autowerke at VAC.

I have only heard good things from the new owner since he's taken delivery of the car. :woot:

So can we expect more joint VF/AA efforts? You guys seem to like each other so much.:lmao:

[Lil. Lucas]

A lot more E46's are running AA tuning then most would realise..

[Novare330]

So can we expect more joint VF/AA efforts? You guys seem to like each other so much.:lmao:

AA likes VF as much as I like AIDS

A lot more E46's are running AA tuning then most would realise..

AA did a custom tune for me many many months ago, and its run FLAWLESSLY

[bigjae1976]

AA likes VF as much as I like AIDS

:lmao: I wonder what the closed thread count is between them?

[drippabmw]

I have only heard good things from the new owner since he's taken delivery of the car. :woot:

Everything on the car is the best of the best. Nobody will argue that. And anyone who tinkers with anything on the car, will quickly see it was built by someone who does things of this nature daily.

[MachRc]

hi mspired. What happened, and are you already in the process of building it back up? Don't mean to pry but you didn't respond so Is it true?

[funkboy316]

most likely you wont get a response. VF likes to leverage silence for customer service.

[AirFrcd]

So his vf car actually has a tune now from AA, he should be good to go then

:lmao::rofl:

[GJGM3]

Seems his engine popped, but I thought it was a built 2.5. No?

[Forcefed M3]

most likely you wont get a response. VF likes to leverage silence for customer service.

omg thats great...

[MSpired]

Little birdy told me you blew your motor. Is it true? It's a smear campaign if you consider the truth smear. I find it amazing that doc states everyone will know if his motor fails. Yet the guys who's motor blew are not allowed to. I was happy with vf until advice from them blew my transmission and they started ignoring phone calls and email from people I recommended the kit to. I paid full price for my kit also, that's vf claims there.

A birdie, hmmmm... A dumb birdy. Does shot valve seals mean a blown motor?

Don't bring me into your desperate smear campaign

[GJGM3]

Good to know that didn't happen. :thumbup:

[Forcefed M3]

Don't bring me into your desperate smear campaign

It's only a smear campaign if you didn't lose thousands of dollars..I am glad the bird was wrong.
The fact that is VF refuses to answer the question that everyone wants to know the answer too.

[docwyte]

Please. You're on a vendetta, it's clear to be seen.

[Forcefed M3]

Please. You're on a vendetta, it's clear to be seen.

What ever do we need to talk about your AA past..Seems to me they hooked you up when your blower went bad on a used kit you bought. Were you not after an AA kit before you bought a used VF kit, you only went VF because AA would not drop the price. I wonder what would have happened if they would have acted like VF. You yourself stated the world would know if your motor failed, yet know one else is allowed to do that? What makes you so special that only you can complain if a problem happens?? My agenda is this..VF to act like every other F/I companie on here, take care of your customers..thats it, so far VF has run from it with their tails between their legs. Find one AA, ESS or HPF customer that has been left out in the cold, spending thousands to repair their car. VF wants it to stop, admit the motor failures and help the guys who are still struggeling to get their cars up and running. oh ya one last thing, stop using threats of law suites to silence people.

[Novare330]

What ever do we need to talk about your AA past..Seems to me they hooked you up when your blower went bad on a used kit you bought. Were you not after an AA kit before you bought a used VF kit, you only went VF because AA would not drop the price. I wonder what would have happened if they would have acted like VF. You yourself stated the world would know if your motor failed, yet know one else is allowed to do that? What makes you so special that only you can complain if a problem happens?? My agenda is this..VF to act like every other F/I companie on here, take care of your customers..thats it, so far VF has run from it with their tails between their legs. Find one AA, ESS or HPF customer that has been left out in the cold, spending thousands to repair their car. VF wants it to stop, admit the motor failures and help the guys who are still struggeling to get their cars up and running. oh ya one last thing, stop using threats of law suites to silence people.


+1

this^^^

[Orange fever]

i think vf is now a PAST SITE SPONSOR? bcuz they have other board sponsors with the kit ///
Why pay for it, if another sponsor is doing it for them .

[mpower95]

Find one AA, ESS or HPF customer that has been left out in the cold, spending thousands to repair their car. .

I had a really bad experience with AA when I had my E36 M3. They kept sending me crap tunes for my car making it run like dog crap. They always put blame on something else. I ended up spending money and having TRM do the tune. Car ran perfect and made great power too. Put over 30k miles and had zero issues after TRM toke care of me.

There is always going to be a case where there is an unhappy customer. I would not go as far as to say that ESS, AA or HPF don't have any customers that have been left out cold.

[Forcefed M3]

I had a really bad experience with AA when I had my E36 M3. They kept sending me crap tunes for my car making it run like dog crap. They always put blame on something else. I ended up spending money and having TRM do the tune. Car ran perfect and made great power too. Put over 30k miles and had zero issues after TRM toke care of me.

There is always going to be a case where there is an unhappy customer. I would not go as far as to say that ESS, AA or HPF don't have any customers that have been left out cold.

I stand corrected..good info

[BimmerDude18]

I had a really bad experience with AA when I had my E36 M3. They kept sending me crap tunes for my car making it run like dog crap. They always put blame on something else. I ended up spending money and having TRM do the tune. Car ran perfect and made great power too. Put over 30k miles and had zero issues after TRM toke care of me.

There is always going to be a case where there is an unhappy customer. I would not go as far as to say that ESS, AA or HPF don't have any customers that have been left out cold.

This is ironic to me, given the current hot button thread on bf.c FI.

[A55A55IN]

This is ironic to me, given the current hot button thread on bf.c FI.

Link?

[docwyte]

That blower was covered by Rotrex as it was in a known bad batch. I paid $500 for a new reservoir, oil lines, etc from AA. I also had to re-engineer the kit to work properly, as I was getting belt rub. I ended up having a custom water pump and alternator pulley machined. Car snapped the drive belt on the freeway before I did that and I ended up having to wait 1.5 hours and tow the car almost 100 miles to get it home. At no point did I smear AA about it. They were aware of the belt rub issues, I spoke with Karl about it several times. It would've been nice to have been reimbursed for the pulleys, tow, time, not have to pay $500 due to a blower locking up, etc, but I never pushed them for it.

I didn't buy the AA kit for several reasons, one being my poor experience with the rotrex blower in the past. I wanted something reliable and rebuildable and the rotrex (IMO) was neither.

I have nothing to hide and nothing to apologize for.

I'm done here, if you want to continue on with your agenda, knock yourself out.

[BimmerDude18]

Link?

Thread got closed this morning...and I'm not going to spread the drama over here, not my place to do it.

[bigjae1976]

I'll give this forum 2 thumbs up for free speech. Lots of other forums would have closed this thread on the first page to protect sponsors (past, present or future).

[Activ3]

I had a really bad experience with AA when I had my E36 M3. They kept sending me crap tunes for my car making it run like dog crap. They always put blame on something else. I ended up spending money and having TRM do the tune. Car ran perfect and made great power too. Put over 30k miles and had zero issues after TRM toke care of me.

There is always going to be a case where there is an unhappy customer. I would not go as far as to say that ESS, AA or HPF don't have any customers that have been left out cold.

I also find that extremely ironic.. if you're a member on BF.C you'll understand why...

[mpower95]

I also find that extremely ironic.. if you're a member on BF.C you'll understand why...

I understand where your coming from but my experience speaks for it self! I could care less what the thread says, AA could never get my car to run the way it should. They kept telling me it was something on my end. I tried everything, different injectors (21 & 24lb.) I even went as far as to return my car back to stock and it ran perfect. That is when I decided to call it a day with AA. I spent hundreds of dollars doing dyno run after dyno run to send AA needed info to correct the issue. I was running pig rich and was down almost 20rwhp from when I had my original Conforti tune. I sent all my info to TRM and within a couple days my car was running perfect. Everything was spot on and I made 242 rwhp which is good for an S50 with bolt ons and headers.

[TaZaM3]

Back on track now, so how many E46 M3's has blown up with VF's kit on it?

[Forcefed M3]

Back on track now, so how many E46 M3's has blown up with VF's kit on it?

I doubt VF will ever tell us.

[mpower95]

I doubt VF will ever tell us.

But I thought you have all the answers.:neener:

[HPFMTRE]

Back on track now, so how many E46 M3's has blown up with VF's kit on it?

:lmao:

[Forcefed M3]

But I thought you have all the answers.:neener:

I do I have the magic 8 ball..lmao
http://www.netpaths.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/magic-8-ball.jpg

[ImolaRed330Ci]

Doc, I could care less if i was honest or not! If i had listed my problems and all the bad rep of vf, do you thing i would of sold my kit? I have no ****ing regret, ill never see you in person, just on the forums! The "kit" is running fine on your car, so please ****!

How do you explain drippabmw? or the other three?

Honestly I could care less about HPF or VF. It sucks what happened you and what you went through, but to make a comment that "you could care less if you were honest or not" makes you lose all sympathy. Sorry bro you don't pass a lemon onto someone else. That's just shady.

[ImolaRed330Ci]

the next meeting is tommorrow, you should stop by.:rolleyes:

:lmao:

[Forcefed M3]

Honestly I could care less about HPF or VF. It sucks what happened you and what you went through, but to make a comment that "you could care less if you were honest or not" makes you lose all sympathy. Sorry bro you don't pass a lemon onto someone else. That's just shady.

again had you read all the facts, ravi's sold his kit before the damaged pistons where discovered. 20 posts..hmmmm

[Ravij]

Honestly I could care less about HPF or VF. It sucks what happened you and what you went through, but to make a comment that "you could care less if you were honest or not" makes you lose all sympathy. Sorry bro you don't pass a lemon onto someone else. That's just shady.

I hear you, I was pissed because he acts like i never informed him.. Even though there were threads about these issues while i was selling my kit... I have pms of me explaining the problems of my kit to him..

I'm done with all this bs.. I heart my kit, Docwyte loves his/my kit! Thats all it matters! Im done with vf.

[ImolaRed330Ci]

I hear you, I was pissed because he acts like i never informed him.. Even though there were threads about these issues while i was selling my kit... I have pms of me explaining the problems of my kit to him..

No worries man. As long as you explained everything before hand and gave them all the relevant information that's all that matters. Glad everything worked out for you in the end.

[Flavourless]

i don't wanna get in the middle of all this drama and def don't wanna stir the pot anymore than it is. whats done is done and nothing will change about that. but All that is on Doc's car is the hardware from Ravi's car. i know for a fact that Doc's car doesn't have Ravi's ecu or tune as there is no way to transfer a tune from one car to another. not to mention Ravi's car is a smg and doc's car is a 6 speed so Doc had to send his ecu to vf to have flashed. the only way for the ring lands to crack and leak like what happened in ravi's car is from a bad tune plain and simple. I am glad that things worked out for Doc and that everything is working out for him and he is not having any problems. I think that right there goes to prove there was nothing wrong with the "kit" that Ravi sold but something wrong with the tune that was on ravi's car.

[Forcefed M3]

i don't wanna get in the middle of all this drama and def don't wanna stir the pot anymore than it is. whats done is done and nothing will change about that. but All that is on Doc's car is the hardware from Ravi's car. i know for a fact that Doc's car doesn't have Ravi's ecu or tune as there is no way to transfer a tune from one car to another. not to mention Ravi's car is a smg and doc's car is a 6 speed so Doc had to send his ecu to vf to have flashed. the only way for the ring lands to crack and leak like what happened in ravi's car is from a bad tune plain and simple. I am glad that things worked out for Doc and that everything is working out for him and he is not having any problems. I think that right there goes to prove there was nothing wrong with the "kit" that Ravi sold but something wrong with the tune that was on ravi's car.

you my good sir are correct, maybe it was a bad maf sensor:lmao:

[grkm3]

So, is it just VF's stage 2 kit people were having problems with? How about Stage 1?