Gintani = E46 M3 1ST air to liquid turbo - progress thread.

[Mliner]

So, to make a long story short, I had my car at RMS (van nuys) for more then 8 months. Yes 8 months. They were supposedly working on the car, and there was no progress being made until I told RMS that they had 5 weeks left to finish the car. I come back after 5 weeks, and they said just give us more time, I gave them an extra 3 weeks, and ended up taking the car out of there (that was a good move).

I drove the car down to Gintani in Van Nuys, and left the car there for about 2 weeks to have them check RMS's work and products. We decided to swap out the entire kit for a air to liquid turbo setup.

I will update this thread with progress as I go to Gintani every now and then.

As for now, here are the pictures...

I also purchased CF fenders, CF OEM hood, CF CSL front bumper, CF OEM rear bumper w/CSL CF rear diffuser (pictures will be posted) WISH ME LUCK!

http://i35.tinypic.com/1q5rbr.jpg
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COMPARISON (LEFT = TURBO FROM GINTANI) (RIGHT = TURBO USED BY RMS)
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[Flavourless]

interesting...

[sniperm]

baller...

[95silverM]

good move...but more info and pics!

[Ferm3]

Awesome man...can't wait to see how this turns out...post specs. :woot:

[leletyM3]

Cant wait to see more pictures of the progress.

[Mliner]

I will post up pictures of CF fenders sitting in my room right now soon ;)

I will take pictures of the rest of the cf parts tomorrow.

[Mliner]

CF FENDERS - going to put matte black side gills

http://i34.tinypic.com/20s7xfn.jpg

[hi its me alec]

bro you have so much money. lol

what kind of numbers are you shooting for? 550+?

sick.

[SL Blak Soldier]

the guys at Gintani are :thumbsup:

[PEI330Ci]

Wow! You really like to do your own thing!

Stage X N/A build : Never finished tuning with wild cams

Custom S/C system: Never finished tuning

And now....

Custom Turbo.

Who's doing your tuning?

You have a beautiful car, and I really like what you want to do...but it's really disappointing seeing you getting taken repeatedly for a ride....

[6ick6ix6peed]

RMS :lmao:

Top mount that snail. she's pretty. good luck with the build.

[Alan L.]

It still amazes me how people let RMS touch their cars. I wouldn't bring my car to them even if they offered me a free kit.

How many miles did they put on your car while they had it?

[HPFMTRE]

CF FENDERS - going to put matte black side gills

http://i34.tinypic.com/20s7xfn.jpg

Where did you get the fenders and how much weight does it save?

[2K5 325i]

Pardon my ignorance, but what da fug is an air to liquid turbo system? I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing.

bro you have so much money. lol

what kind of numbers are you shooting for? 550+?

sick.
:rofl:
It still amazes me how people let RMS touch their cars. I wouldn't bring my car to them even if they offered me a free kit.

How many miles did they put on your car while they had it?

:confused: From your phrasing, I think "wouldn't" makes more sense. :rofl:

In fo info,
-Chris

[SPDu4ea]

Pardon my ignorance, but what da fug is an air to liquid turbo system?

He's referring to the intercooler (liquid cooled vs air to air like used by HPF & AA).

[2K5 325i]

He's referring to the intercooler (liquid cooled vs air to air like used by HPF & AA).

Ahhhhh, okay.

If that's what he meant, then I don't think it is the first liquid IC E46 around...
-Chris

[Jeffxxx]

Where did you get the fenders and how much weight does it save?

Probably from here, http://forum.E46Fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=711651. And the weight savings would be miniscule as we have aluminum fenders.

[folgrz]

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[SPDu4ea]

Ahhhhh, okay.

If that's what he meant, then I don't think it is the first liquid IC E46 around...
-Chris

It's been used plenty with E46 M3 supercharger kits, but to my knowledge this would be the first L2A intercooled turbo E46 M3.

[Mliner]

bro you have so much money. lol

what kind of numbers are you shooting for? 550+?

sick.
Yea, I'm looking to get up to around there. Let's see how it goes! ;)

Wow! You really like to do your own thing!

Stage X N/A build : Never finished tuning with wild cams

Custom S/C system: Never finished tuning

And now....

Custom Turbo.

Who's doing your tuning?

You have a beautiful car, and I really like what you want to do...but it's really disappointing seeing you getting taken repeatedly for a ride....
Thanks for following the progress updates on my car. It's been a really long time actually. Cams really didn't help out much, then the SC tuning was not completed 100% but was still driveable. Turbo from RMS set me back about 9 months man, I'm a very patient man, but I needed to take my car somewhere else.

Now that my car is at Gintani, the tuning is going to be done by them as well. I will post up any update I receive.
It still amazes me how people let RMS touch their cars. I would bring my car to them even if they offered me a free kit.

How many miles did they put on your car while they had it?
I actually haven't checked. I remember when I first took it to RMS it had around 29,xxx. I haven't checked it ever since. I will check and let you know. I wish I never took it to RMS though.
He's referring to the intercooler (liquid cooled vs air to air like used by HPF & AA).
Yes.
It's been used plenty with E46 M3 supercharger kits, but to my knowledge this would be the first L2A intercooled turbo E46 M3.

Yea, there are some SC kits that are air to liquid, but not any turbo. This will be the first turbo e46 m3 air to liquid.

CAN'T WAIT!

[sniperm]

good luck bro!

[Mliner]

good luck bro!

Thank you. I will keep the thread updated for sure. Post up any questions if you guys have any.

[SPDu4ea]

just curious why you've decided to go pretty much with one-off's throughout your car's life rather than getting one of the already R&D'd kits?

[bluejeansonfire]

This is absolutely the first e46 air-to-water cooler application, why is that? Air-to-water is most commonly used in applications where the piping is prohibitive to an air-to-air system. In the heat of Florida, air-to-water can be nearly useless. I applaud you for going a very unique one-off route. But why not try the true-and-tested HPF with legendary customer service? I hope your system is more effective than the Gintani e92 M sc.... and that Osh didn't take your money. Do you know what they're doing to tune your car, some sort of piggyback/standalone or tuning the stock dme? I wish you luck and recommend that you choose a more proven tuner as I hate to see pain.

[Alan L.]

:confused: From your phrasing, I think "wouldn't" makes more sense. :rofl:

-Chris

Yup. Fixed it.

[Mliner]

I'll take pics of the front bumper and rear bumper soon and post em up.

[A55A55IN]

is this a custom turbo?

[funkboy316]

arent these the guys that had to push their e92 m into the booth at m-fest after sayin how badass the car was,because they couldnt keep it started.....lol

if im right,(pretty sure but not 100%) good luck:lmao:

[Mliner]

arent these the guys that had to push their e92 m into the booth at m-fest after sayin how badass the car was,because they couldnt keep it started.....lol

if im right,(pretty sure but not 100%) good luck:lmao:

I don't remember that, but if it is a red e92 m3, then that motor has been swapped out (sitting at the shop).

[A55A55IN]

why dont you just get a HPF kit? how much is all this costing you and how much is the power out put?

[Mliner]

why dont you just get a HPF kit? how much is all this costing you and how much is the power out put?

At 22, I can't really afford a HPF kit, so decided to go through a local company that can do the job. On top of it, I'm purchasing everything myself. Not borrowing money from parents etc,

Forgot to add that the kit will consist of methanol also.

[Mliner]

Front bumper in CF
http://i37.tinypic.com/2ry0ew2.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/2hx6qnb.jpg

Rear bumper in CF
http://i36.tinypic.com/308k2yt.jpg

[docwyte]

Ummm, you can't afford an HPF kit, but you can afford extensive CF bodywork, buy & sell a supercharger system and then pay for a custom turbo? Unless the shop is basically working on your car for free, I doubt the bill would be less than the HPF kit and wager it'll be far more by the end of the day...

[MachRc]

damn mliner.. so like you were jst barely 20 when your car was at technik.. you looked a bit young , but D@ng son!

good luck on your turbo kit.

who recommend you to osh?thanks

oh also ..are you gonna leave the cf exposed or paint.. or do some kinda paint scheme.

[funkboy316]

Ummm, you can't afford an HPF kit, but you can afford extensive CF bodywork, buy & sell a supercharger system and then pay for a custom turbo? Unless the shop is basically working on your car for free, I doubt the bill would be less than the HPF kit and wager it'll be far more by the end of the day...

a big +1 from me

[Mliner]

Ummm, you can't afford an HPF kit, but you can afford extensive CF bodywork, buy & sell a supercharger system and then pay for a custom turbo? Unless the shop is basically working on your car for free, I doubt the bill would be less than the HPF kit and wager it'll be far more by the end of the day...
Actually, I got the turbo kit for a very good deal. Even less then you think of. So, I did purchase some exterior parts that were also pretty cheap (got them for a discount since I bought everything at once).
damn mliner.. so like you were jst barely 20 when your car was at technik.. you looked a bit young , but D@ng son!

good luck on your turbo kit.

who recommend you to osh?thanks

oh also ..are you gonna leave the cf exposed or paint.. or do some kinda paint scheme.
Yea man! Thanks, Samir and Osh were teaming up on the turbo kit, so I took the car to RMS so Samir and Osh can talk about it. I left the car there, and Samir ended up getting pissed off with me because it was taking too long, so we took it out of there.

I'm going to do a paint scheme but I don't know how to do it at all....help me! :)

[funkboy316]

a bargain basement turbo......i see major disaster in the near future.

[BMW_Matt]

baller...

status

[docwyte]

The only real turbo kit is HPF, so did you buy an assortment of parts off eBay described as a "kit"?

[Activ3]

Actually, I got the turbo kit for a very good deal. Even less then you think of. So, I did purchase some exterior parts that were also pretty cheap (got them for a discount since I bought everything at once).

Yea man! Thanks, Samir and Osh were teaming up on the turbo kit, so I took the car to RMS so Samir and Osh can talk about it. I left the car there, and Samir ended up getting pissed off with me because it was taking too long, so we took it out of there.

I'm going to do a paint scheme but I don't know how to do it at all....help me! :)
So Samir is working with Osh now?

GL with this new kit, should be pretty unique! How much psi will you be running?

[Custom3]

damn 22....nice man...good luck with everything

[MSpired]

Can't wait to see some numbers and dyno's!

Where did you get all the CF body parts from?

[bluejeansonfire]

Ummm, you can't afford an HPF kit, but you can afford extensive CF bodywork, buy & sell a supercharger system and then pay for a custom turbo? Unless the shop is basically working on your car for free, I doubt the bill would be less than the HPF kit and wager it'll be far more by the end of the day...

+1
while i think that saying it'll be a huge disaster is preemptive, to say this kit, and the osh kit and cf bodywork are less is a huge fallacy. I know what it's like to be a young, relatively cashless modder. I'm 23, graduating from college very shortly, living on my own generated low-income. I've gone through a lot of engines and setups and have experienced failures like you have, but more catastrophic. Being that this is custom, for less money than the $13.5k HPF kit, it's safe to say, with any R&D and tuning, you're headed for further failure. And no one has customer service, which seems to be something one would think you'd want at this point- if you haven't given up on its existence with your experiences.

[dennymedeiros]

+1
while i think that saying it'll be a huge disaster is preemptive, to say this kit, and the osh kit and cf bodywork are less is a huge fallacy. I know what it's like to be a young, relatively cashless modder. I'm 23, graduating from college very shortly, living on my own generated low-income. I've gone through a lot of engines and setups and have experienced failures like you have, but more catastrophic. Being that this is custom, for less money than the $13.5k HPF kit, it's safe to say, with any R&D and tuning, you're headed for further failure. And no one has customer service, which seems to be something one would think you'd want at this point- if you haven't given up on its existence with your experiences.

Not knocking on HPF has they are truly the ultimate kit to have on an M3 but for somebody on a budget...Could the TT kit be tweaked cheap enough to run on a E46 M3? I'm sure Nick could tune an M3 e46...

[bluejeansonfire]

Not knocking on HPF has they are truly the ultimate kit to have on an M3 but for somebody on a budget...Could the TT kit be tweaked cheap enough to run on a E46 M3? I'm sure Nick could tune an M3 e46...

The S54 needs a custom intake manifold. The stock one can't hold 6psi. The computer couldn't more different. It also has a completely different exhaust manifold bolt pattern, so another manifold would need to be sourced. The turbo is completely missized for a 8200rpm 3.2L, so are the injectors... the downpipe would never work with an m3 exhasut. So the wastegate and some piping would fit (with a fair amount of modification), but even the intercooler would not fit with the M3's A/C front-mount fan. And I think that depending on the turbo sizing, that wastegate may be missized as well, depending on boost range and everything considered.

[dennymedeiros]

The S54 needs a custom intake manifold. The stock one can't hold 6psi. The computer couldn't more different. It also has a completely different exhaust manifold bolt pattern, so another manifold would need to be sourced. The turbo is completely missized for a 8200rpm 3.2L, so are the injectors... the downpipe would never work with an m3 exhasut. So the wastegate and some piping would fit (with a fair amount of modification), but even the intercooler would not fit with the M3's A/C front-mount fan. And I think that depending on the turbo sizing, that wastegate may be missized as well, depending on boost range and everything considered.

Yeap! looks like it would be very worth it to save up the big bucks for HPF stageXX if you have an M3...at the end it would cost less money probably and you would get the reliability and great service that I heard from Chris and that alone is worth it.

[Flavourless]

I would say "kit" isn't the best choice of words either...should be interesting to see what happens

[InDiGlOM3]

Why liquid to Air Intercooler? an air to air is much easier and and works better IMO, oh and on your paint scheme need ideas for. I got two words for you, "One Color"

[azjimi]

Ummm, you can't afford an HPF kit, but you can afford extensive CF bodywork, buy & sell a supercharger system and then pay for a custom turbo? Unless the shop is basically working on your car for free, I doubt the bill would be less than the HPF kit and wager it'll be far more by the end of the day...

Amen!

[frankieb96]

i heard a rumor of a tuner in Turkey finishing this project now, is that true?

[uninc4709]

22 with that kind of cash? gotta ask what do you do? gl with the car man

[bluejeansonfire]

i heard a rumor of a tuner in Turkey finishing this project now, is that true?

car will come back with a chick-fil-a meal and 3 dozen eggs

[Forcefed M3]

i heard a rumor of a tuner in Turkey finishing this project now, is that true?

You mean Merk and his 1,000 horsepower B.S. car. his claims amount to nothing

[GBX330ci]

Actually, I got the turbo kit for a very good deal. Even less then you think of. So, I did purchase some exterior parts that were also pretty cheap (got them for a discount since I bought everything at once).

Yea man! Thanks, Samir and Osh were teaming up on the turbo kit, so I took the car to RMS so Samir and Osh can talk about it. I left the car there, and Samir ended up getting pissed off with me because it was taking too long, so we took it out of there.

I'm going to do a paint scheme but I don't know how to do it at all....help me! :)

Is Samir even still around? What's his deal these days? If i were you, I'd keep the Technik SC kit and get new software from ESS or AA....but that's just me.

Good luck with the build. Who's doing the tuning?

[MSpired]

Funny how everyone is jumping on Gintani's case and prematurely putting them down. Reminds me of when HPF first came on the scene. Point is, don't jump to conclusions, you never know what will happen.

[bluejeansonfire]

Funny how everyone is jumping on Gintani's case and prematurely putting them down. Reminds me of when HPF first came on the scene. Point is, don't jump to conclusions, you never know what will happen.

here's the difference so far between Gintani and HPF: Gintani, like HPF was one of the first makers of it's induction system in production for it's target vehicle, the e92 M; however, the Gintani e92 M is slower than a stock e63AMG- HPF would never make such a failure. Drew's modded e92M might be quicker than the Gintani e92M system.

And HPF came out with it real quick- AEM-box based tuning. So far, for this turbo application between Osh, Samir and Gintani, I'm not sure what is the plan for this, if anything will be retained, including tune, but I just don't know the setup at all- what is the tuning?
This thing so far is overwhelmingly mysterious.

[A55A55IN]

What Julio said.

I want to know how much power you are expected to make at what price range? is it really worth it to cheap out on a couple of grand and go to a random tuner when you can have the best of the best and the insurance / reliability / amazing customer service for few more $$$.

just doesn't make sense to me when people do this kind of sh!t.

[Mliner]

a bargain basement turbo......i see major disaster in the near future.
Not really. Gintani knows what they are doing with this. I know my car is in the right hands.
The only real turbo kit is HPF, so did you buy an assortment of parts off eBay described as a "kit"?
umm...none of the parts are purchased from ebay. Turbo being used is a Garett GT35R. Intake manifold is coming back to the shop form powdercoating tomorrow. Once it comes in, they will start to put it together.
So Samir is working with Osh now?

GL with this new kit, should be pretty unique! How much psi will you be running?
No. He was going to work with Osh but saw that he took forever with this turbo kit (and was a piece of junk), so he backed off from him.
damn 22....nice man...good luck with everything
Thank you
Can't wait to see some numbers and dyno's!

Where did you get all the CF body parts from?
Contact me if your interested in the cf body parts. I can get them for you. Can't wait to see the dyno #'s also!
+1
while i think that saying it'll be a huge disaster is preemptive, to say this kit, and the osh kit and cf bodywork are less is a huge fallacy. I know what it's like to be a young, relatively cashless modder. I'm 23, graduating from college very shortly, living on my own generated low-income. I've gone through a lot of engines and setups and have experienced failures like you have, but more catastrophic. Being that this is custom, for less money than the $13.5k HPF kit, it's safe to say, with any R&D and tuning, you're headed for further failure. And no one has customer service, which seems to be something one would think you'd want at this point- if you haven't given up on its existence with your experiences.
Gintani does have customer service. They always keep me posted of what is going on with the car. Feels much better then when my car was with RMS.
22 with that kind of cash? gotta ask what do you do? gl with the car man
Working hard ;)
Is Samir even still around? What's his deal these days? If i were you, I'd keep the Technik SC kit and get new software from ESS or AA....but that's just me.

Good luck with the build. Who's doing the tuning?
SC kit was sold in March. Gintani is doing the tuning on their dyno once everything is completed.
What Julio said.

I want to know how much power you are expected to make at what price range? is it really worth it to cheap out on a couple of grand and go to a random tuner when you can have the best of the best and the insurance / reliability / amazing customer service for few more $$$.

just doesn't make sense to me when people do this kind of sh!t.

Not sure about the power output, but I'm hoping to get in the 500whp marks.

Went to Gintani today to drop off my front bumper in cf, and we are probably going to make a custom exhaust setup from the turbo back. Will keep you guys posted.

[Mliner]

UPDATE : Might be building a new exhaust system from turbo back and replacing the one that was on the car from RMS. There was oil through the pipes and EVEN IN THE INTERCOOLER AND INTAKE MANIFOLD!

Talked to Osh yesterday and he might give me a full refund. I'll keep you guys posted.

[docwyte]

osh give a refund? Good luck with that...

[MSpired]

Sev, I really don't know why you even tried with RMS and Osh. Seriously, how are those guys still around and doing business? Maybe it's just a front for some illegal activities?

[bluejeansonfire]

what made the Osh turbo kit so junky? air-to-air?

Gintani might have the best customer service in the world, it just isn't proven on the boards the way the HPF customer service is. They keep up the customer service thing long after the car has been done, time and time again

[Orange fever]

funny you say that...
bcuz when i was working in the valley , going to work around 10ish am i see
the same cars there and still the gate close everyday ......i think so to on the illegal activiies


Sev, I really don't know why you even tried with RMS and Osh. Seriously, how are those guys still around and doing business? Maybe it's just a front for some illegal activities?

[Orange fever]

and Gintani coming out , they are going to come out with a Bang ///
i think this car is going to be hitting XXX for half the price of a hpf ///

[bluejeansonfire]

and Gintani coming out , they are going to come out with a Bang ///
i think this car is going to be hitting XXX for half the price of a hpf ///

i hope it hits triple digit numbers too

[10psie46]

I think the best thing to do is sell all the parts you have and get an HPF kit. They have allready proved themselves and their kits are sick... You are going to have so many problems down the road... Just some honest advise.

[10psie46]

At 22, I can't really afford a HPF kit, so decided to go through a local company that can do the job. On top of it, I'm purchasing everything myself. Not borrowing money from parents etc,

Forgot to add that the kit will consist of methanol also.

What does parents helping out have to do with anything. Its all just money when it boils down..

[A55A55IN]

and Gintani coming out , they are going to come out with a Bang ///
i think this car is going to be hitting XXX for half the price of a hpf ///

don't count on it.

[10psie46]

How many turbo M3's have they built? compared to how many m3's that HPF has built. HPF has allready proved themselves.

[bluejeansonfire]

How many turbo M3's have they built? compared to how many m3's that HPF has built. HPF has allready proved themselves.

if no one tried new things, we wouldn't have any progress. There's a necessity for pioneering, i just think that everyone here smells another project that will turn out like the Mliner classics PEI listed above. We can itemize projects and see what they have yielded on a case-by-case, like the air-to-water failure. but I think that even if this works, it'll have so much cylinder pressure so early that it wont last. A GT35r on a s54 is missized, i guess you can try and use a monstrous exhaust housing, but achieving peak torque at 3k on a 8krpm motor? Isn't this why the one-off Aussie s54 turbo needed a build?

My faith in this is also wavering due to the lack of explanation behind tuning.

[2000_328CI]

Crazy that you guys have so much money you can leave your car somewhere for a year to do a setup lik ethis

[Mliner]

Still waiting on Osh's reply of status of the reply

[BimmerDude18]

if no one tried new things, we wouldn't have any progress. There's a necessity for pioneering, i just think that everyone here smells another project that will turn out like the Mliner classics PEI listed above. We can itemize projects and see what they have yielded on a case-by-case, like the air-to-water failure. but I think that even if this works, it'll have so much cylinder pressure so early that it wont last. A GT35r on a s54 is missized, i guess you can try and use a monstrous exhaust housing, but achieving peak torque at 3k on a 8krpm motor? Isn't this why the one-off Aussie s54 turbo needed a build?

My faith in this is also wavering due to the lack of explanation behind tuning.
I know of another car its mis-sized on ... similar head flow rates and displacement :eeps: :shhh:












jk :hi:

[parad0x]

Still waiting on Osh's reply of status of the reply



i've heard bad things about rms, keep us up to date if they will return you your money on the turbo kit or not though.

also, please tell us what your doing for tunning as this is probably the most important part of the project.

[firefirefire90]

holy crap HPF guys GTFO, quit saying "why you do this HPF is here blah blah blah"


Get OFF THEIR NUTS, there are OTHER tuners in the world, other than Horsepowerfreaks


I, for one, am stoked to see this build! I hope you achieve your 500rwhp. Are you going to leave the CF explosed or?

[SaaDiesel]

Crazy that you guys have so much money you can leave your car somewhere for a year to do a setup lik ethis

:werd: at such a young age too, hope everything comes together nicely.

[jerseyfresh]

i heard a rumor of a tuner in Turkey finishing this project now, is that true?

+1 for it being Mert @ DA

I've been to that shop in person...
...at first I thought he was really legit, considering the Performance BMW article on his "Turkish Delight M3"... but just from the experience of seeing what he's got to offer first hand, his projects are total garbage...

First off, you can pick up virtually everything DA uses for their projects from VAC Motorsports in Philadelphia (who by the way have a great shop and mail-order system).
... Ask me how I know this (Mert literally has a pile of boxes with VAC logo's all over his shop)...

Secondly, his "one off" pieces are garbage... The intake manifolds they make will hold big boost, but they look terrible, the welding is ugly as sin, and the rubber fittings look like the mass produced ones from China with hardware store clamps holding them in place...

Third... Mert continues the legacy of giving Turks a bad business identity ...
Nothing costs what it is marked... The "Turkish Delight" package for the E36 M3 used to be listed on his website at US$32K...

In person, Mert's exact words were, "It's not possible to recreate the set-up for that price... No less then US$120K would be required to duplicate that set-up... Now what is your budget?"

Me; "Uh huh, you might want to consider taking that offline then, because when I see $32K, I'm basically expecting $32K..."
Mert; "This is not possible"
Me; "Well I can play with $20 grand... what can that do?"
Mert; "Not much... We talk more"... (at which point he goes and makes a phone call, and I leave)...

I'd be scared to see what that shop comes up with on the E46 M3...
Supposedly, it was going to be a twin-turbo, last I heard)...
...and seeing as the model number is higher, in Mert's mind, that equates to a higher "In his head, on a whim" price...


Props to HPF for having legit stuff, sans the price gouging... :lmao:

[BimmerDude18]

+1 for it being Mert @ DA

I've been to that shop in person...
...at first I thought he was really legit, considering the Performance BMW article on his "Turkish Delight M3"... but just from the experience of seeing what he's got to offer first hand, his projects are total garbage...

First off, you can pick up virtually everything DA uses for their projects from VAC Motorsports in Philadelphia (who by the way have a great shop and mail-order system).
... Ask me how I know this (Mert literally has a pile of boxes with VAC logo's all over his shop)...

Secondly, his "one off" pieces are garbage... The intake manifolds they make will hold big boost, but they look terrible, the welding is ugly as sin, and the rubber fittings look like the mass produced ones from China with hardware store clamps holding them in place...

Third... Mert continues the legacy of giving Turks a bad business identity ...
Nothing costs what it is marked... The "Turkish Delight" package for the E36 M3 used to be listed on his website at US$32K...

In person, Mert's exact words were, "It's not possible to recreate the set-up for that price... No less then US$120K would be required to duplicate that set-up... Now what is your budget?"

Me; "Uh huh, you might want to consider taking that offline then, because when I see $32K, I'm basically expecting $32K..."
Mert; "This is not possible"
Me; "Well I can play with $20 grand... what can that do?"
Mert; "Not much... We talk more"... (at which point he goes and makes a phone call, and I leave)...

I'd be scared to see what that shop comes up with on the E46 M3...
Supposedly, it was going to be a twin-turbo, last I heard)...
...and seeing as the model number is higher, in Mert's mind, that equates to a higher "In his head, on a whim" price...


Props to HPF for having legit stuff, sans the price gouging... :lmao:
First, this isn't being built by Mert....and Mert is no longer selling things (as far as we all know)

Second, HPF doesn't price gouge...they build in the cost of warranty and development. Its worth it to those who own their kits and experience their support.

[jerseyfresh]

holy crap HPF guys GTFO, quit saying "why you do this HPF is here blah blah blah"

Get OFF THEIR NUTS, there are OTHER tuners in the world, other than Horsepowerfreaks


Sure there are other tuners...
...but how many of them

(1)consistently back up their products
(2)have tried-and-test stuff that went through loads of R&D
~and~
(3)aren't likely to melt down, and turn your lovely S54 internals into thousands of pieces of shredded, broken, and pulverized aluminum paperweights?

[CroVlado]

How many turbo M3's have they built? compared to how many m3's that HPF has built. HPF has allready proved themselves.

thats funny u say that.. cuz how many turbo e46 m3s has AA built and look at Taz's car....

people need to worry bout other things than what this guy is doing. quite honestly if he thinks it will be a success dont get on here preaching to go with HPF. yes HPF is amazing and i hope to get one one day but if this dude wants something custom let him do his thing. comment on what u think of it or dont say anything. he cant afford HPF so let it go.:facepalm:

[M3REHV]

ANYONE CAN BUY A KIT, IT TAKES SKILLS TO DO YOUR OWN. YOU HAVE MY RESPECT.... IM PUTTING A GT45 ON MINE :str8pimpi

[funkboy316]

ANYONE CAN BUY A KIT, IT TAKES SKILLS TO DO YOUR OWN. YOU HAVE MY RESPECT.... IM PUTTING A GT45 ON MINE :str8pimpi

what part of this whole thread gave you the idea he was doing his own?:confused:

good luck tuning your gt 45 :lmao:

[10psie46]

what part of this whole thread gave you the idea he was doing his own?:confused:

good luck tuning your gt 45 :lmao:

I know, its just another shop doing the work.

[firefirefire90]

Sure there are other tuners...
...but how many of them

(1)consistently back up their products
(2)have tried-and-test stuff that went through loads of R&D
~and~
(3)aren't likely to melt down, and turn your lovely S54 internals into thousands of pieces of shredded, broken, and pulverized aluminum paperweights?


so what? Just because they're on the market, does not make them the best. And no thread should see "why are you doing this? You should go to HPF instead" but in different wording, and in different posts.

Did anyone teach you guys "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all"?

This subforum is as bad as e36forums :rofl:

[azjimi]

Did anyone teach you guys "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all"?

This subforum is as bad as e36forums :rofl:

Classic!

[Rollin330i]

Alex and the guys at Gintani are cool fellas.

[jerseyfresh]

Second, HPF doesn't price gouge...

"SANS" the price gouging... :read:

sans
***8211;preposition
without.

Origin:
1275***8211;1325; ME < OF sans, earlier sens, seinz a conflation of L sine without, and absenti; in the absence of, abl. of absentia absence

[jetskier88]

Gintani has some pretty cool people and legit shop. I'll definitely give Alex the benefit of the doubt on this project. It wouldnt surprise me if they came up with a much more affordable/ performance kit than other competitors.
gl

[M3REHV]

Your just going to have to weight and see

[supersickbimmer]

Your just going to have to weight and see

Wait, cheers:)

[derek0606]

so what? Just because they're on the market, does not make them the best. And no thread should see "why are you doing this? You should go to HPF instead" but in different wording, and in different posts.

Did anyone teach you guys "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all"?

This subforum is as bad as e36forums :rofl:

:werd: Yeah, congratulations people...... You have managed to ruin your 124,386 thread this week..... We all come here for information and not your opinions people.


To the OP, "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.” -Albert Einstein

Good job for never giving up!

Are your CF pieces custom; if so, could they create dry carbon fiber (for extra weight savings)?

[BimmerDude18]

"SANS" the price gouging... :read:

sans
-preposition
without.

Origin:
1275-1325; ME < OF sans, earlier sens, seinz a conflation of L sine without, and absenti; in the absence of, abl. of absentia absence
I read it as props to HPF even though they are price gouging, as in an exception to the credit you gave them.

Just misread the way you wrote things, after all the hate that HPF has gotten for their pricing, I was a little quick to respond that way.

[Mliner]

No word on refund at all. They have not gotten back to my PM's :(

[bluejeansonfire]

very sorry about how that's playing out, not that there's any surprise.... i cringe as i see what you're going through

[docwyte]

Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath for a refund from Osh. If you paid with a credit card I'd file a dispute.

[Mliner]

Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath for a refund from Osh. If you paid with a credit card I'd file a dispute.

Well, let's see.....the nephew sent me a PM last week saying they will talk about the refund no later then last Wednesday. It is Monday now with no answer.

What should I do? This is not fair.

[docwyte]

Did you pay with a credit card? Do you have anything in writing from Osh detailing what was going to be provided and for how much? If so, do a credit card dispute. If not, you just got totally hosed, like many of the other people in the past who've used RMS.

[Mliner]

Did you pay with a credit card? Do you have anything in writing from Osh detailing what was going to be provided and for how much? If so, do a credit card dispute. If not, you just got totally hosed, like many of the other people in the past who've used RMS.

No, I did not use a credit card. He did refund me my ECU/TUNING money but nothing for the parts.

[docwyte]

did you use the parts? Did you return the parts? Why didn't you pay with a credit card? you're going to have a very hard time getting anything refunded now...

[Mliner]

did you use the parts? Did you return the parts? Why didn't you pay with a credit card? you're going to have a very hard time getting anything refunded now...

Parts were only used by RMS. I drove the car for 30 seconds to the other shop. I am still waiting to hear Osh's response from his nephew. Hopefully they will do the right thing and reunf my money on the parts and I will give the parts back without the exhaust manifold.

[bluejeansonfire]

for the sake of better understanding of your system, could we get a pic of the exhaust manifold? So with the Gintani kit, you'll be retaining the RMS exhaust manifold? So what kind of tuning did Osh refund you for? was he tuning the stock dme or was it some sort of standalone?

[Mliner]

for the sake of better understanding of your system, could we get a pic of the exhaust manifold? So with the Gintani kit, you'll be retaining the RMS exhaust manifold? So what kind of tuning did Osh refund you for? was he tuning the stock dme or was it some sort of standalone?

I'll get a picture next time I'm at Gintani. Osh refunded me for the tuning of the stock dme. Yes, I will be retaining the manifold RMS put on my car. RMS did not make the manifold. It was Samir's manifold and Samir gave it to Osh to put on my car and RMS claims they made it.

[bluejeansonfire]

I'll get a picture next time I'm at Gintani. Osh refunded me for the tuning of the stock dme. Yes, I will be retaining the manifold RMS put on my car. RMS did not make the manifold. It was Samir's manifold and Samir gave it to Osh to put on my car and RMS claims they made it.

what kind of tuning will gintani be doing? stock dme or standalone?

[Mliner]

No word on the refund....not replying to any of my PM's.

[docwyte]

You're local to them, why are you bothering with pm's? Just go by there.

[funkboy316]

You're local to them, why are you bothering with pm's? Just go by there.

werd...+1

also, it wouldnt take more than about 100 bucks to get an attorney to send them a certified demand letter. then you could file a small claims suit to try and recover some if not all of the money(not sure how much you're out). most states allow you to recover 5000.00 thru small claims without the use of an attorney.

[Rollin330i]

Update.....

[Mliner]

They have not answered my PM for over a week now. Just sent them another one.

[finger123]

They have not answered my PM for over a week now. Just sent them another one.

Pigs will probably learn to fly first before they answer you. You're local to them, why are you bothering with pm's? Just go by there.

[parad0x]

Pigs will probably learn to fly first before they answer you. You're local to them, why are you bothering with pm's? Just go by there.

yeah id be making a visit to them in person right away before hte matter gets conveniently forgot about by them.

[THATDONFC]

They have not answered my PM for over a week now. Just sent them another one.

Pigs will probably learn to fly first before they answer you. You're local to them, why are you bothering with pm's? Just go by there.

yeah id be making a visit to them in person right away before hte matter gets conveniently forgot about by them.

Just to clear things up a bit. I'm the one Sevan is referring to as "they." I am not RMS. I do work there. But I am not "they." I was not asked anything in the last PM I received from Sevan. There was nothing in there that would lead me to believe that he was expecting a response. He knows that Osh is only a simple phone call away. He has Osh's cell number and the shop number. His car is also 2 blocks away from RMS. It wouldn't take much to stop by before or after visiting his car. I don't ignore PM's. I have no reason to ignore Sevan. Sevan is a very nice guy and i really enjoyed hanging out with him on the days he would stop by. I just wanted to clear the air. Thank you everybody for understanding.

-Chris

[Mliner]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows how Osh is, so let this be a reminder. Chris (THATDONFC), I was messaging you back through PM's because you were the one that sent me a PM first saying to not write anything on the thread and that you would take care of the refund through Osh and would get back to me (which you never did). I would text Osh but he will message me back 2 days later saying "He'll see what he can do". Which is probably what he said to all of his other unhappy customers throughout the forums.

Chris, my car was there for 9 months!!! and YOU even know it was not being worked on until September. You told me you would take care of the refund with Osh and get back to me on it and you never did. So, I'm going to let everyone on the forums be the judge right now and reveal everything that happens at RMS.

1 - The day I got fed up that my car was there for 9 months, I called the tow truck to tow my car out of there. When the tow truck arrived he was laughing and not surprised. He said "I've been at this shop many times and everyone calls a tow truck to get there car out of this place"

2 - What about ALL OF THOSE NEW WORKERS!!! Everytime I would go to the shop there was always new workers there. Why would there be new workers everytime I go there? Is Osh doing the same thing he did with STEVE to all the other workers? Osh owed $10,000 to Steve and never payed Steve for his work, and ended up buying steve a SC for his Z4.

3 - What about my car? How many times did Osh take it for a joy ride? What about Samir's car? Why was Samir's brand new M3 at Osh's house (quoted by Samir).

4 - What about Mikey's car? I heard that you guys are going to make his E92 m3 faster then a mclaren hahaha. What a bunch of bullshit you put in a customers head to make them believe there cars will be the fastest thing out there.

5 - Tell Osh to enjoy riding his brand new m3 also (even with the dents).

6 - Should I take a picture of how my car's interior is now after Osh sat in there with his dirty clothes? You should have atleast covered my interior up!!!

7 - What about the mickey mouse job you guys did on my car. EXPLAIN THAT! People were laughing at the parts you guys put on my car.

8 - What about the DAY, OSH CALLS AND SAYS "SEVAN, PICK UP YOUR CAR TODAY IT WILL BE DONE AT 2PM" I get there at 1:45pm and the front bumper is off the car, and still being worked on. At 5:45 Osh finally says "Sevan, take my car back home...it won't be ready" ARE YOU ****ING KIDING ME RIGHT NOW? What a waste of 4 hours. I had no ride! I had to get dropped off at RMS.

9 - What about HOW OSH HIT SAMIR!!!! SHOULD I BRING THAT UP? SHOULD I BRING UP 5 GUYS AGAINST SAMIR...YOU CALL THAT BEING EVEN AND TAKING CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS!! COPS COME AND THEN WHAT???

10 - I CAN GO ON AND WRITE A BOOK ON YOU GUYS...YOU SENT ME A PM FIRST, AND YOU TRY TO PUT THIS **** ON ME? THINK TWICE ABOUT WHO YOUR TALKING TO.

[Mliner]

btw - YOU ARE NOT JUST A WORKER AT RMS CHRIS....YOU ARE OSH'S NEWPHEW. Of course I would defend my uncle too, just like you defended your uncle in the fight with Samir.

Man....I can go on and on.

So...what about that refund. You want me to keep going?

[Ispeed]

More info on this fight!

[THATDONFC]

1 - The day I got fed up that my car was there for 9 months, I called the tow truck to tow my car out of there. When the tow truck arrived he was laughing and not surprised. He said "I've been at this shop many times and everyone calls a tow truck to get there car out of this place"

2 - What about ALL OF THOSE NEW WORKERS!!! Everytime I would go to the shop there was always new workers there. Why would there be new workers everytime I go there? Is Osh doing the same thing he did with STEVE to all the other workers? Osh owed $10,000 to Steve and never payed Steve for his work, and ended up buying steve a SC for his Z4.

3 - What about my car? How many times did Osh take it for a joy ride? What about Samir's car? Why was Samir's brand new M3 at Osh's house (quoted by Samir).

4 - What about Mikey's car? I heard that you guys are going to make his E92 m3 faster then a mclaren hahaha. What a bunch of bullshit you put in a customers head to make them believe there cars will be the fastest thing out there.

5 - Tell Osh to enjoy riding his brand new m3 also (even with the dents).

6 - Should I take a picture of how my car's interior is now after Osh sat in there with his dirty clothes? You should have atleast covered my interior up!!!

7 - What about the mickey mouse job you guys did on my car. EXPLAIN THAT! People were laughing at the parts you guys put on my car.

8 - What about the DAY, OSH CALLS AND SAYS "SEVAN, PICK UP YOUR CAR TODAY IT WILL BE DONE AT 2PM" I get there at 1:45pm and the front bumper is off the car, and still being worked on. At 5:45 Osh finally says "Sevan, take my car back home...it won't be ready" ARE YOU ****ING KIDING ME RIGHT NOW? What a waste of 4 hours. I had no ride! I had to get dropped off at RMS.

9 - What about HOW OSH HIT SAMIR!!!! SHOULD I BRING THAT UP? SHOULD I BRING UP 5 GUYS AGAINST SAMIR...YOU CALL THAT BEING EVEN AND TAKING CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS!! COPS COME AND THEN WHAT???

10 - I CAN GO ON AND WRITE A BOOK ON YOU GUYS...YOU SENT ME A PM FIRST, AND YOU TRY TO PUT THIS **** ON ME? THINK TWICE ABOUT WHO YOUR TALKING TO.

I have no authority to issue a refund to you. I told you that I would try and talk to Osh and see what we could do. I never said that I would get him to refund you or that I would take care of it. All I said was that I would try to help you the best I could. And I have. I have done everything in my power to help you. Let me respond to all of your concerns.

1. I too spoke with the tow truck driver. He never mentioned anything about coming here and I have never seen him before.

2. Osh let go of one of his employees because he became ill and could not keep up with the pace. Him and Osh are very good friends and have known each other for a very long time. He has been here quite a few times to visit and there were never any hard feelings. He did hire 2 new employees. I'm not sure how many new faces you saw but I can assure you that no one left with hard feeling. As for Osh and steve, I don't know what happened, but that is their business.

3. Osh never drove your car. I don't even think your car was ever taken off the lot. The only time it was driven was on the dyno. You should know this. Your car was taken apart the day it got to RMS to remove the Technik sc kit. It stayed apart until we were finished with the turbo. There was no way anyone could have driven it. And Samir's m3? I'm not sure what you're talking about.

4. Osh and Michael's relationship is there business. I will not discuss that. And I know michael wouldn't appreciate you talking about him either. You should know that we have built some of the fastest BMW's in the world. If he wants the fastest car, we can give it to him.

5. His new m3? Not sure what you mean.

6. I'm sorry that your car was dirty. We never had a chance to clean it before you took it. You should also know that our customers cars get a full detail before they leave.

7. I'm not sure what people you are talking about but all of the parts on your car were quality made parts. We don't "mickey mouse" cars.

8. I'm really sorry about tat day. Osh and i both believed that your car would be ready. But we ran into a few unforseen problems. These things happen when you're developing new software for the factory mss54 ecu. Something that no one has done yet.

9. Osh never hit Samir. Osh asked Samir to leave in a friendly manner. He rested his hand on Samirs back and asked him to leave. Immediately Samir lunged at Osh and tried to tackle him to the ground. I pulled Samir Off of osh and I walked him outside. I was trying to put your ECU back together. Not fight...

10. I'm not trying to put anything on you Sevan. I have nothing against you. I think you are a great guy. I don't think I have given you any reason to believe that I'm trying to hurt you or make this worse. I'm sorry if I have led you to believe this. These are not my intentions. I just want everyone to be happy and have what they want, a b!tchin car.

Let me know if you have anymore questions.

Best regards,

-Chris

[parad0x]

I think the biggest concern of sevans which has been many times put worth by himself, and by other members on this forum is his concern about his refund which I and every other customer would have. To phrase it in a question, when will he get his money back? I think he's made it pretty clear he is intent on getting it back, are you guys going to help him out with this or what?

[TaZaM3]

Although i dont want to get involved i wanted to respond to some funny statements.


4. Osh and Michael's relationship is there business. I will not discuss that. And I know michael wouldn't appreciate you talking about him either. You should know that we have built some of the fastest BMW's in the world. If he wants the fastest car, we can give it to him.

Exactly what car's are these that you are speaking of? Fastest BMW's in the world?


8. I'm really sorry about tat day. Osh and i both believed that your car would be ready. But we ran into a few unforseen problems. These things happen when you're developing new software for the factory mss54 ecu. Something that no one has done yet.
Best regards,

-Chris

No one has done what yet?

[bluejeansonfire]

No one has done what yet?

no one has tuned mss54 for turbo. You have an AEM

[TaZaM3]

no one has tuned mss54 for turbo. You have an AEM

But his statement didn't sound like it was just about turbo tuning.

My stock software has been tuned for the turbo as well. So has TK's car.

[HPFMTRE]

Exactly what car's are these that you are speaking of? Fastest BMW's in the world?




+1 on that.

[bluejeansonfire]

But his statement didn't sound like it was just about turbo tuning.

My stock software has been tuned for the turbo as well. So has TK's car.

not solely the s54 your car and tk's both have an aem ems... the attempt at hand in discussion, I think is the sole tuning of nothing but mss54 with a turbo. Not a mss54 flash+aem or other aid. Many tuners from active to the oz with the gt35, azavedo, and even mert has tuned the s54 to running condition with another ems- I think a number of the successful ones were haltechs.

[TaZaM3]

not solely the s54 your car and tk's both have an aem ems... the attempt at hand in discussion, I think is the sole tuning of nothing but mss54 with a turbo. Not a mss54 flash+aem or other aid. Many tuners from active to the oz with the gt35, azavedo, and even mert has tuned the s54 to running condition with another ems- I think a number of the successful ones were haltechs.

I know for a fact they can do it on a stock ECU, i dont know to what power levels but they have the ability to do it.

[bluejeansonfire]

i think they would have released a kit if it was reliable, smooth and powerful (400+whp).

[e popa]

I would just like to see a kit where the cel wasnt on and it will pass a smog test.

[TaZaM3]

i think they would have released a kit if it was reliable, smooth and powerful (400+whp).

They have released SC kits. They have done E36 turbo cars on stock ECU's. Im sure they can do it on the S54 as well. They chose not to and to stick to SC kits for there business reasons. Fact is they haven't even tried making a kit that has nice power numbers with the stock ecu, they built 2 turbo S54's both making big power so they went straight to a AEM/stock setup.

[bluejeansonfire]

They have released SC kits. They have done E36 turbo cars on stock ECU's. Im sure they can do it on the S54 as well. They chose not to and to stick to SC kits for there business reasons. Fact is they haven't even tried making a kit that has nice power numbers with the stock ecu, they built 2 turbo S54's both making big power so they went straight to a AEM/stock setup.

call me crazy, but im quiet certain there was a difficulty with the mss54

[bluejeansonfire]

I would just like to see a kit where the cel wasnt on and it will pass a smog test.

mine's not s54, but it will, if you install the included cat, no cel

[TaZaM3]

I dont have CEL. I passed the smog recently :)

[e popa]

I dont have CEL. I passed the smog recently :)

nice

[bluejeansonfire]

I dont have CEL. I passed the smog recently :)

did you install a cat or did you cheat? i bet without a cat, i could smell your car from 30 feet away

[Mliner]

Osh text me Saturday night...He said some things. He said he would text me Monday about the refund, and still no response yet.

[TaZaM3]

did you install a cat or did you cheat? i bet without a cat, i could smell your car from 30 feet away

You are a true genius.

[nfamousM3]

arent these the guys that had to push their e92 m into the booth at m-fest after sayin how badass the car was,because they couldnt keep it started.....lol

if im right,(pretty sure but not 100%) good luck:lmao:

Where do u get this from? Gintani didnt push anyhting anywhere. That was their protype car and they drove it in and out. Please dont post something that isnt true, If anything their kit is one of the only ones still running strong to date.

[nfamousM3]

here's the difference so far between Gintani and HPF: Gintani, like HPF was one of the first makers of it's induction system in production for it's target vehicle, the e92 M; however, the Gintani e92 M is slower than a stock e63AMG- HPF would never make such a failure. Drew's modded e92M might be quicker than the Gintani e92M system.

And HPF came out with it real quick- AEM-box based tuning. So far, for this turbo application between Osh, Samir and Gintani, I'm not sure what is the plan for this, if anything will be retained, including tune, but I just don't know the setup at all- what is the tuning?
This thing so far is overwhelmingly mysterious.

and some more non sense :loco:....What Gintani Sc M car is slower then a stock c63AMG? Last I remembered I put 3 cars with my Gintani SCed E90 on the Evosport c63 amg which is nothing close to stock and is very fast.

Drew knows personally how fast the Gintani SC cars are. I daily drive my car, have put 13,500+ miles on my kit now and I make 500whp on 91 pump on a dyno dynamics. Also one of the recent Gintani SCed DCT cars ran a 130mph trap speed on the 1/4 mile. IDK if u know what that means but thats a 10 sec. car if it hooks, seems far from failure to me.

[nfamousM3]

I know Alex at Gintani and their customer service is awsome. They will back their products 100%. Plus all of their products are all made in house, not many companies can say that.

They are not putting this turbo kit together to target HPF cars, they respect what HPF has done with the e46 M3s. They are simply doing this as a favor to fix this car and get it running right. Alex is simply cleaning some one elses mess. I gaurantee u this car will run good once Gintani finishes it. You can talk all the trash u want, but its worthless without any actual facts to back it. And trust me, Gintani is playing hard ball, their future pojects are gonna make all u haters very quite.

Goodluck on ur project Mliner, dont worry ur cars in great hands :thumbsup:!

[bluejeansonfire]

and some more non sense :loco:....What Gintani Sc M car is slower then a stock c63AMG? Last I remembered I put 3 cars with my Gintani SCed E90 on the Evosport c63 amg which is nothing close to stock and is very fast.

Drew knows personally how fast the Gintani SC cars are. I daily drive my car, have put 13,500+ miles on my kit now and I make 500whp on 91 pump on a dyno dynamics. Also one of the recent Gintani SCed DCT cars ran a 130mph trap speed on the 1/4 mile. IDK if u know what that means but thats a 10 sec. car if it hooks, seems far from failure to me.

I really agree, a 130mph will destroy any 63 amg car, in any chassis. However, there was a vid of a gintani sc m3 getting powned by a stock 63 amg car, i don't remember if it was an e or a c. That vid is where my basis came from.

Like when some people thought the BMP e46 m3 was going to own the AA sc m3, but got walked instead. I believe that if the e9x m3 is tuned appropriately, running even just 5 psi on a v2sq, it should strech a 63 amg very hard, to the point where there is no question. In an appropriately set up car, 130mph can technically be 9s, just not the norm in IRS bmws.

Being that Gintani is a relative newcomer to the bmw FI scene and the first test of its performance online was shown in the form of it getting walked by a NA amg car, it didn't inspire a lot of confidence in me. 130mph sounds a whole lot more like it though.

Further, my speculation of Gintani's intentions to tune the mss54 for a turbo application are that it hasn't conclusively been proven to be possible. Vik argues AA did it on his car, but it either reached a power limit or had issues- he didn't elaborate (but for his realizations of my incredible genius, I thank him). Osh failed at creating a working turbo tune for mss54 which doesn't necessarily mean much. Gintani had the first e9x M sc kit on the market, so I can't say they aren't pioneers, but until that one 130mph trap took place, they were very unproven as a capable tuner for top end power. I can't speak about any other facet of the tune in reliability or driveability.

mliner, any progress with your car?

I know Alex at Gintani and their customer service is awsome. They will back their products 100%. Plus all of their products are all made in house, not many companies can say that.

they make their own supercharger?

[Sticky]

here's the difference so far between Gintani and HPF: Gintani, like HPF was one of the first makers of it's induction system in production for it's target vehicle, the e92 M; however, the Gintani e92 M is slower than a stock e63AMG- HPF would never make such a failure. Drew's modded e92M might be quicker than the Gintani e92M system.

And HPF came out with it real quick- AEM-box based tuning. So far, for this turbo application between Osh, Samir and Gintani, I'm not sure what is the plan for this, if anything will be retained, including tune, but I just don't know the setup at all- what is the tuning?
This thing so far is overwhelmingly mysterious.
Whoa whoa whoa, where the **** is this bullshit coming from?

I'm running the Gintani SC on my DCT M3 and am the first E9X to crack 130 mph in the 1/4. I ran at the track at the same time as Drew and the difference in trap speed was ~10 mph+.

Please know what you are talking about before you go spreading absolute nonsense, that, or run that 330 of yours at the strip and see just what "failure" is.

[Sticky]

I really agree, a 130mph will destroy any 63 amg car, in any chassis. However, there was a vid of a gintani sc m3 getting powned by a stock 63 amg car, i don't remember if it was an e or a c. That vid is where my basis came from.

Like when some people thought the BMP e46 m3 was going to own the AA sc m3, but got walked instead. I believe that if the e9x m3 is tuned appropriately, running even just 5 psi on a v2sq, it should strech a 63 amg very hard, to the point where there is no question. In an appropriately set up car, 130mph can technically be 9s, just not the norm in IRS bmws.

Being that Gintani is a relative newcomer to the bmw FI scene and the first test of its performance online was shown in the form of it getting walked by a NA amg car, it didn't inspire a lot of confidence in me. 130mph sounds a whole lot more like it though.

Further, my speculation of Gintani's intentions to tune the mss54 for a turbo application are that it hasn't conclusively been proven to be possible. Vik argues AA did it on his car, but it either reached a power limit or had issues- he didn't elaborate (but for his realizations of my incredible genius, I thank him). Osh failed at creating a working turbo tune for mss54 which doesn't necessarily mean much. Gintani had the first e9x M sc kit on the market, so I can't say they aren't pioneers, but until that one 130mph trap took place, they were very unproven as a capable tuner for top end power. I can't speak about any other facet of the tune in reliability or driveability.

mliner, any progress with your car?



they make their own supercharger?
Wow son, you are making your basis on a NATURALLY ASPIRATED M3 and applying that to all Gintani M3's? You don't see a problem with that?

The 5psi car in question walked the C63, maybe watch the video again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhOq7kV1pZY

That is a manual M3 that traps ~124, mine is a DCT trapping 130+, what do you think is going to happen vs. a C63?

Do you really expect Gintani to weave some magic to allow a 4.0 liter motor in naturally aspirated form to match a tuned 6.2 liter Benz V8? Put the pipe down, you have no clue what you are talking about, stop typing.

[bluejeansonfire]

Please know what you are talking about before you go spreading absolute nonsense, that, or run that 330 of yours at the strip and see just what "slow" is.

read the post made before your own.... i have run my 330 at a strip, it's faster than a stock e63 amg... not nearly as fast as your car, but I think i'll get there one day, with a better et, hopefully.


..... wrong video... i'm talking about a s/c'd car

[Sticky]

read the post made before your own.... i have run my 330 at a strip, it's faster than a stock e63 amg... not nearly as fast as your car, but I think i'll get there one day, with a better et, hopefully.


..... wrong video... i'm talking about a s/c'd car
My car with bolt on's was faster than a stock E63 so how in the world would you come to the conclusion that a supercharged car would be slower? Huh?

Wrong video? The video posted is the Gintani SC'd manual car, the car takes the modded C63, and my DCT car has trapped 130 mph. Does 130 mph sound like C63 territory?

What you are going to do now is apologize for making what is one of the absolutely dumbest assertions I have ever seen:

however, the Gintani e92 M is slower than a stock e63AMG- HPF would never make such a failure. Drew's modded e92M might be quicker than the Gintani e92M system.

The failure is that post. Where do you get off spreading absolute BS like that?

[bluejeansonfire]

My car with bolt on's was faster than a stock E63 so how in the world would you come to the conclusion that a supercharged car would be slower? Huh?

Wrong video? The video posted is an SC'd car, the car is taking the modded C63, and the DCT car has trapped 130 mph.

What you are going to do now is apologize for making what is one of the absolutely dumbest assertions I have ever seen:



The failure is that post. Where do you get off spreading absolute BS like that?

I'm not saying i don't believe the video... I believe it
And I believe that by all means, a sc e9x m should be faster
130mph is a lot faster than an e63 amg
and i recall a video where an e63 amg walked an e9xm from gintani with an sc.
Now, ive been looking for the vid and can't find it- if someone comes across it, please post it.
if i mistook it for the vid where the e63 was running against drew's car, i'm sorry (i realize that car is NA, though powerful), but i don't see how this should upset you to the point where you're compelled to insult me to no end, i have not directed a single insult towards you. why are you so hostile? So if I made a mistake, I apologize to Gintani, not you, ever.

you must really be incapable of reading what you quote, i have written over and over again that 130mph is faster than the e63, i don't know why you keep asking that question, you've quoted me saying that twice now.

[Sticky]

I'm not saying i don't believe the video... I believe it
And I believe that by all means, a sc e9x m should be faster
130mph is a lot faster than an e63 amg
and i recall a video where an e63 amg walked an e9xm from gintani with an sc.
Now, ive been looking for the vid and can't find it- if someone comes across it, please post it.
if i mistook it for the vid where the e63 was running against drew's car, i'm sorry (i realize that car is NA, though powerful), but i don't see how this should upset you to the point where you're compelled to insult me to no end, i have not directed a single insult towards you. why are you so hostile? So if I made a mistake, I apologize to Gintani, not you, ever.

you must really be incapable of reading what you quote, i have written over and over again that 130mph is faster than the e63, i don't know why you keep asking that question, you've quoted me saying that twice now.
You recall a video? I recall one was just posted that makes you look pretty dim, eh? From now on, don't base any of your conclusions on your memory as it seems to have failed you.

Why am I hostile? Because of this:

I hope your system is more effective than the Gintani e92 M sc...

or how about this, calling Gintani a failure when you were completely off base:

however, the Gintani e92 M is slower than a stock e63AMG- HPF would never make such a failure.



I'm not going to sit back and let someone who has no clue what they are talking about trash someone's reputation especially when it is so vital at an early stage. Not to mention they currently have the fastest E9X. It is because of people like you that post when they have no idea what they are talking about that the exchange of information that many count on is ruined.

Someone will see your post, which is completely false and based on your incorrect recollections of some video, and continue to perpetrate that falsehood.

So sorry, I'm not going to let you off easy. We need more people who are as vigilant so we can keep the BS posters like yourself to a minimum so the forum serves the proper function.

You don't get what you did wrong? Man up, and apologize to everyone, and next time let the people who actually know what they are talking about and have hands on experience discuss the Gintani E92 supercharger system, you have forfeited that privilege.

[bluejeansonfire]

look, i don't know what you want of me.
if i'm wrong, i've already apologized to gintani
if someone makes their sole decision on the purchase of a kit based on someone who has never ridden in a car with it, nor seen one anywhere but online, from a forum that deals with an entirely different chassis and engine family, then that's just a dumb individual.
If you assert that people can't make mistakes that's great, but i do make errors, not that frequently, but that's just how it is, I know I'm not alone.
You, on the other hand are perfect. We should all bow in your direction and praise you every morning for your perfection and greatness.
I'm not going to insult the way you have me, because it isn't in my nature to be that hostile, but you are the "Dictator" I see why you call yourself that. Now this thread also couldn't be much more off-topic in regards to the air-to-liquid e46 m3 project. well done.
i'm guessing the next post you'll make will keep going. this reminds me of some of the HPF guys going on needlessly about how VF uses a resistor to tune.

[Sticky]

look, i don't know what you want of me.
if i'm wrong, i've already apologized to gintani
if someone makes their sole decision on the purchase of a kit based on someone who has never ridden in a car with it, nor seen one anywhere but online, from a forum that deals with an entirely different chassis and engine family, then that's just a dumb individual.
If you assert that people can't make mistakes that's great, but i do make errors, not that frequently, but that's just how it is, I know I'm not alone.
You, on the other hand are perfect. We should all bow in your direction and praise you every morning for your perfection and greatness.
I'm not going to insult the way you have me, because it isn't in my nature to be that hostile, but you are the "Dictator" I see why you call yourself that. Now this thread also couldn't be much more off-topic in regards to the air-to-liquid e46 m3 project. well done.
i'm guessing the next post you'll make will keep going. this reminds me of some of the HPF guys going on needlessly about how VF uses a resistor to tune.
No one is going to base a decision solely on one post but that does not change the fact the we could do with a lot less BS spread on these forums. You said the Gintani SC was not effective and was a failure. Don't post such broad assertions if you are not prepared to deal with the ramifications. Maybe next time you should know what you are talking about and think before you post?

Yes, you made a huge error, and were called on it, and now you should swallow your pride, apologize, and move aside.

You also damaged any credibility you may have had and people from this point forward should not put much stock, if any, into what you think.

It is not in your nature to be hostile yet it is in your nature to post negative rumors about companies? Wow, much better :rolleyes:

Considering Gintani is in the topic and I was responding to incorrect assumptions about Gintani made by you, I think I am quite on point, thanks.

[M3PTGSC]

No one is going to base a decision solely on one post but that does not change the fact the we could do with a lot less BS spread on these forums. You said the Gintani SC was not effective and was a failure. Don't post such broad assertions if you are not prepared to deal with the ramifications. Maybe next time you should know what you are talking about and think before you post?

Yes, you made a huge error, and were called on it, and now you should swallow your pride, apologize, and move aside.

You also damaged any credibility you may have had and people from this point forward should not put much stock, if any, into what you think.

It is not in your nature to be hostile yet it is in your nature to post negative rumors about companies? Wow, much better :rolleyes:

Considering Gintani is in the topic and I was responding to incorrect assumptions about Gintani made by you, I think I am quite on point, thanks.

I dont want to get into this but there was a video of C63 walking Gintani SC M3,im not sure what was the case but i think M3 owner said he had either bald tires or some other problems with the car i dont remember.

Also IIRC video was taken down from youtube by the Gintani/M3 owner.


Now im out lol

[firefirefire90]

I cannot believe you are arguing with bluejeansonfire. From what I have witnessed, he is one of the more level headed people on this forum. I could care less about your join date or mine, you are out of line.


Please bring this thread back on topic

[Sticky]

I dont want to get into this but there was a video of C63 walking Gintani SC M3,im not sure what was the case but i think M3 owner said he had either bald tires or some other problems with the car i dont remember.

Also IIRC video was taken down from youtube by the Gintani/M3 owner.


Now im out lol
I'm familiar with all the videos, keep in mind Gintani has been posting videos from even their earliest stages of tunes while everyone else hides (VF, AA, where are you?)

Look at where they are now while everyone else is in perpetual "testing." Hell, Gintani is the only company to actually have SC'd E9X's go down the strip at this point, what does that tell you?

[Activ3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7YOJJNY25U&feature=player_embedded

[Sticky]

I cannot believe you are arguing with bluejeansonfire. From what I have witnessed, he is one of the more level headed people on this forum. I could care less about your join date or mine, you are out of line.


Please bring this thread back on topic
Out of line? Are you out of your mind? Wow, you must have a real man crush to ignore what was posted.

[M3PTGSC]

I'm familiar with all the videos, keep in mind Gintani has been posting videos from even their earliest stages of tunes while everyone else hides (VF, AA, where are you?)

Look at where they are now while everyone else is in perpetual "testing." Hell, Gintani is the only company to actually have SC'd E9X's go down the strip at this point, what does that tell you?

Look up ^^^ that was the video i was talking about ;)

[Sticky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7YOJJNY25U&feature=player_embedded
Yeah, the M3 was spinning pretty hard in 1st and 2nd gears so***65279; this wasn't a fair run... I know because I won this one and not the other two runs where he had me by a couple cars.

From the C63 owner ;)

[Sticky]

Look up ^^^ that was the video i was talking about ;)
Check the vid when they went from a higher speed... or read what the C63 owner stated... or just compare my trap speed to any C63 to clearly see the *real* picture. ;)

Plus, if you want to see that C63 vs. an NA M3, here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7AedCGrnjk

[firefirefire90]

Out of line? Are you out of your mind? Wow, you must have a real man crush to ignore what was posted.



Not really. I don't even know the person, but have learned a lot from his posts. Your blatent disregard for any rationality or class is shown from your insults. Maybe I am out of my mind; being rude and disrespectful to convey a point must be in fashion then, no?

[bluejeansonfire]

sticky, i'm sure gintani makes a very fast car, your car is a great testament to that, no question 130mph is FAST
but as it seems, my questioned memory wasn't completely wrong, still i apologize (to gintani) for being so skeptical, though at one point an e63 did eat his lunch.
At the point of writing what i did, that was the only vid I had seen of the gintani performing. And from the above vid, gintani does not seem effective at all.
But still, I am wrong, the kit is effective, and from the vid you posted that is evident.
I'll try to be more considerate of this situation in the future, maybe tires were the issue and a single video of a single pull should not fully label the performance of a car, regardless of how conclusive it may appear.

[M3PTGSC]

From the C63 owner ;)

well the C63 owner wasnt here on the forums so that was the video everybody saw :)

Now where can we see some videos of your car?This E9X SC late night talk got me thinking lol

[Sticky]

sticky, i'm sure gintani makes a very fast car, your car is a great testament to that, no question 130mph is FAST
but as it seems, my questioned memory wasn't completely wrong, still i apologize (to gintani) for being so skeptical, though at one point an e63 did eat his lunch.
At the point of writing what i did, that was the only vid I had seen of the gintani performing. And from the above vid, gintani does not seem effective at all.
But still, I am wrong, the kit is effective, and from the vid you posted that is evident.
I'll try to be more considerate of this situation in the future, maybe tires were the issue and a single video of a single pull should not fully label the performance of a car, regardless of how conclusive it may appear.
A civic can eat an Enzo if the Ferrari sits there smoking his tires all day. Does not change the fact you ignored all other evidence and posted negative information that can potentially damage someone's reputation. Not only were you wrong, but reckless and irresponsible.

That is fine, if you are more considerate this type of thing can be avoided and we can all base our conclusions on more accurate information. A lesser man would not have apologized.

[Sticky]

Not really. I don't even know the person, but have learned a lot from his posts. Your blatent disregard for any rationality or class is shown from your insults. Maybe I am out of my mind; being rude and disrespectful to convey a point must be in fashion then, no?
Well, if you have been learning from his posts it seems you should start thinking for yourself if they are of the same quality as what was called into question.

Disregard for rationality? What? I'm being irrational by correcting flaws and erroneous information? Do you know the definition of the word? It would seem your post would be more in line with it.

I find it far more rude to post incorrect assumptions and continue to propagate them. No matter how rude you think I am, it does not change the fact I am correct and now the thread has the proper information. Next time, I'll sugar coat it for the more emotional members.

[HighBoostin330]

I'm familiar with all the videos, keep in mind Gintani has been posting videos from even their earliest stages of tunes while everyone else hides (VF, AA, where are you?)

Look at where they are now while everyone else is in perpetual "testing." Hell, Gintani is the only company to actually have SC'd E9X's go down the strip at this point, what does that tell you?

I don't see ESS hiding. I believe that ESS is the only company to have a S/C'd E9x max out the speedo of the car on a open highway on video.

Wasn't it also Gintani that had to push the S/C E92 M3 into their booth at Bimmerfest when ESS had their car running and drove it all the way from Phoenix?

Don't make blanket statements. You need to step away from the computer and take a chill pill. :facepalm:

[Sticky]

well the C63 owner wasnt here on the forums so that was the video everybody saw :)

Now where can we see some videos of your car?This E9X SC late night talk got me thinking lol
As soon as I have my 10 second slip, you will have more videos than you can handle ;)

[russ330]

All of page 3 removed. Any more bickering and the remainder of the thread will be removed as well as infractions being issued.

[Orange fever]

here is a nice vid ! :bow:
The first run
the M3 was spinning pretty hard in 1st and 2nd gears thats why the C63 won
so the 2nd and 3rd run was won by Gintani Supercharged E90 M3

Case close ///

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhOq7kV1pZY

[Sticky]

here is a nice vid ! :bow:
The first run
the M3 was spinning pretty hard in 1st and 2nd gears thats why the C63 won
so the 2nd and 3rd run was won by Gintani Supercharged E90 M3

Case close ///



Way to go: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11065517&postcount=139

[M3PTGSC]

Way to go: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11065517&postcount=139

:rofl: Dictator at its best :craig:

[bluejeansonfire]

...complete with logical fallacies and wrong conclusions

[bimmerbum46]

I know the owners of both cars and can assure you the M3 is faster than the C63

[bluejeansonfire]

if there's any question, I have no claims that Gintani makes a weak product since I have seen some proof of the e9x m3 pulling hard away from the c63. I just at one point had only seen one vid featuring a Gintani car vs the c63 and the Gintani car lacked grip, which was not known to me and the vid was a wash really, other than to prove that cars without grip can't accelerate.

If Gintani makes as good of a product on Mliner's car, I'm sure it'll be very successful, I haven't seen it yet, but it doesn't mean it can't be done, good luck with turbo on the mss54 with no other ecu assistance. Interested to see updates on the e46 M3.

[imapimp]

I also purchased CF fenders, CF OEM hood, CF CSL front bumper, CF OEM rear bumper w/CSL CF rear diffuser

Can you PM or post info on price and were I can get these. Thanks and GLuck

[turboaddiction]

There hasn't been an update for a while.

1) Did Osh ever issue you a refund?
2) Can we see pictures of the hardware that RMS made and was discarded due to poor quality?
3) Can we see pictures of the new hardware and welds done by Gintani?
4) Did Gintani make a new exhaust manifold as suggested in the video below? because this thread says the same exhaust manifold will be used which was made by Samir...is that correct?
5) What is taking so long? Tuning?
6) Has the budget exceeded $15,000 yet?
7) Will the car be done before Bimmerfest and will it be at Bimmerfest?
8) Who is Samir? Does he work for Gintani?

This video was just posted of this car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtF8bM3joOs

[AirFrcd]

Good Qs Brotha that need to be answered...

[bluejeansonfire]

8) Who is Samir? Does he work for Gintani?


nice Cam, lol

[razahyde]

seems like the OP and sticy are full of it.

[ImolaRed330Ci]

arent these the guys that had to push their e92 m into the booth at m-fest after sayin how badass the car was,because they couldnt keep it started.....lol

if im right,(pretty sure but not 100%) good luck:lmao:

That car will be at MFest IV ready to go. I've seen it in person, it's no joke.

[ImolaRed330Ci]

The only real turbo kit is HPF, so did you buy an assortment of parts off eBay described as a "kit"?

Really? Is that a fact? Someone can't fabricate a kit and good results unless its HPF? Also his turbo isn't bargain basement or an Ebay special. Check for yourself http://compturbo.com/

[ImolaRed330Ci]

here's the difference so far between Gintani and HPF: Gintani, like HPF was one of the first makers of it's induction system in production for it's target vehicle, the e92 M; however, the Gintani e92 M is slower than a stock e63AMG- HPF would never make such a failure. Drew's modded e92M might be quicker than the Gintani e92M system.

And HPF came out with it real quick- AEM-box based tuning. So far, for this turbo application between Osh, Samir and Gintani, I'm not sure what is the plan for this, if anything will be retained, including tune, but I just don't know the setup at all- what is the tuning?
This thing so far is overwhelmingly mysterious.

Wow, the bs in this thread is hilarious. The black Gintani E90 (Niterider's car) is pushing 500whp on a dyno dynamics. Yet it's still slower than E63?

I was at the track with two Gintani M's. Trust me they were anything but slow.

[turboaddiction]

I bumped this thread for an update on Mliner's car in the original post. Please ignore the bickering that happened back and forth. I would love to just get some answers to some questions. I am very interested to see how this is turning out and some others probably do too.

nice Cam, lol
:lmao:

Well I am honestly serious. I don't frequent this forum much but i plan to hang around a lot more. I might pick up an e46 m3 in the future. I do have an e46 325i daily.

I seriously don't know who Samir is. From this thread all I got was that he:
1) Has something to do with the exhaust manifold for this turbo e46 m3.
2) Does not work at RMS.
3) Is not Mliner (I believe)

So who is he? Just curious. This Samir man in the quotes below remains a mystery to me anyways.




Yea man! Thanks, Samir and Osh were teaming up on the turbo kit, so I took the car to RMS so Samir and Osh can talk about it. I left the car there, and Samir ended up getting pissed off with me because it was taking too long, so we took it out of there.

Is Samir even still around? What's his deal these days?

No. He was going to work with Osh but saw that he took forever with this turbo kit (and was a piece of junk), so he backed off from him.

Osh refunded me for the tuning of the stock dme. Yes, I will be retaining the manifold RMS put on my car. RMS did not make the manifold. It was Samir's manifold and Samir gave it to Osh to put on my car and RMS claims they made it.

9 - What about HOW OSH HIT SAMIR!!!! SHOULD I BRING THAT UP? SHOULD I BRING UP 5 GUYS AGAINST SAMIR...YOU CALL THAT BEING EVEN AND TAKING CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS!! COPS COME AND THEN WHAT??


9. Osh never hit Samir. Osh asked Samir to leave in a friendly manner. He rested his hand on Samirs back and asked him to leave. Immediately Samir lunged at Osh and tried to tackle him to the ground. I pulled Samir Off of osh and I walked him outside. I was trying to put your ECU back together. Not fight...

:confused:

[Sticky]

seems like the OP and sticy are full of it.
In what sense?

[SPDu4ea]

Interesting. Was Samir with the company HPF originally planned to use for their turbo kit? I remember there was a cast manifold involved and some tuning was done but never finalized before HPF got tired of waiting and went in-house...

[M3PTGSC]

Really? Is that a fact? Someone can't fabricate a kit and good results unless its HPF? Also his turbo isn't bargain basement or an Ebay special. Check for yourself http://compturbo.com/

Yes it is a fact,nobody other than HPF made production turbo kit for E46 AFAIK.There were few people/companies talking about it but for now only HPF is selling them and making good reliable power :)

[ImolaRed330Ci]

Yes it is a fact,nobody other than HPF made production turbo kit for E46 AFAIK.There were few people/companies talking about it but for now only HPF is selling them and making good reliable power :)

Obviously you didnt care to read a word of what I said and just went ahead posted. So let's rewind. Yes, HPF makes a great kit. No doubt about it. But that does that mean that another company can't create a similar kit and also make good numbers? OF COURSE THEY CAN. So please step off HPF's nuts for a second and realize what they are doing will benefit the community in the long run because it will provide E46 owners will other alternatives.

[turboaddiction]

Paging Mliner! Paging Mliner! Hellllllooo Hellllllooo Hellllllooo

[Sticky]

Obviously you didnt care to read a word of what I said and just went ahead posted. So let's rewind. Yes, HPF makes a great kit. No doubt about it. But that does that mean that another company can't create a similar kit and also make good numbers? OF COURSE THEY CAN. So please step off HPF's nuts for a second and realize what they are doing will benefit the community in the long run because it will provide E46 owners will other alternatives.
Solid post.

Alternatives and different approaches are great, lets be positive. :)

[M3PTGSC]

Obviously you didnt care to read a word of what I said and just went ahead posted. So let's rewind. Yes, HPF makes a great kit. No doubt about it. But that does that mean that another company can't create a similar kit and also make good numbers? OF COURSE THEY CAN. So please step off HPF's nuts for a second and realize what they are doing will benefit the community in the long run because it will provide E46 owners will other alternatives.

Obviously you didnt read my post neither. So lets rewind. Where did i say that another company cant create similar kit and make good numbers?? I said its a fact that HPF is the only one making and selling a production turbo kit for the E46 M3 now. Also i have no affiliation with HPF im not their customer im just sayin the truth im not hanging off anybody's nuts unlike some...

[THATDONFC]

I seriously don't know who Samir is. From this thread all I got was that he:
1) Has something to do with the exhaust manifold for this turbo e46 m3.
2) Does not work at RMS.
3) Is not Mliner (I believe)

So who is he? Just curious. This Samir man in the quotes below remains a mystery to me anyways.
:confused:

Samir was the guy that came to Osh asking him to build a turbo kit for him. He wanted something that made decent power and was reliable. Also tuned on the factory ecu. He provided the car and then disappeared. He didn't build the exhaust manifold. He is not Mliner. He does not work at RMS.

[M3PTGSC]

Alternatives and different approaches are great, lets be positive. :)

+1

To be honest i really never considered 'new' M3 for my next toy until i saw videos of your car and how it runs with Gintani SC :thumbsup: Got some crazy ideas in my head now :facepalm: :D

[ImolaRed330Ci]

Obviously you didnt read my post neither. So lets rewind. Where did i say that another company cant create similar kit and make good numbers?? I said its a fact that HPF is the only one making and selling a production turbo kit for the E46 M3 now. Also i have no affiliation with HPF im not their customer im just sayin the truth im not hanging off anybody's nuts unlike some...

YES, you're correct HPF is the only company currently making a production turbo kit for the E46, but AGAIN does that mean companies like Gintani can't produce the same kit (for less perhaps) and get the same performance? The answer is NO, of course they can. Again, this is a good thing. Means more competition, lower prices and better range of products for our cars, but somehow you keep missing that... :facepalm:

[Sticky]

+1

To be honest i really never considered 'new' M3 for my next toy until i saw videos of your car and how it runs with Gintani SC :thumbsup: Got some crazy ideas in my head now :facepalm: :D
Thanks, appreciate it :) But it looks like you are buying an E46?

[M3PTGSC]

YES, you're correct HPF is the only company currently making a production turbo kit for the E46, but AGAIN does that mean companies like Gintani can't produce the same kit (for less perhaps) and get the same performance? The answer is NO, of course they can. Again, this is a good thing. Means more competition, lower prices and better range of products for our cars, but somehow you keep missing that... :facepalm:

Lol that is the same thing im trying to say,you just misunderstood me :)

Thanks, appreciate it :) But it looks like you are buying an E46?

Yea i was looking for the E46 because of the HPF and power they make with them,but that got put on hold for a month or so until i figure out how much i have to pay back to the Uncle Sam this year :eeps:

I cant wait too see some more videos and how yours perform when you go out to the track again :thumbsup:

[finger123]

Originally Posted by turboaddiction
I seriously don't know who Samir is. From this thread all I got was that he:
1) Has something to do with the exhaust manifold for this turbo e46 m3.
2) Does not work at RMS.
3) Is not Mliner (I believe)

So who is he? Just curious. This Samir man in the quotes below remains a mystery to me anyways.


Samir was the guy that came to Osh asking him to build a turbo kit for him. He wanted something that made decent power and was reliable. Also tuned on the factory ecu. He provided the car and then disappeared. He didn't build the exhaust manifold. He is not Mliner. He does not work at RMS.

from what i know, samir was with technik or was the main guy at technik. they were the ones that made and sold mliners first SC kit using the ASA. I believe he is no longer with technik but is still in colaboration with mliner for his mods and projects on his ride. Samir was the one who referred mliner to go to RMS until RMS screwed him over.

[THATDONFC]

from what i know, samir was with technik or was the main guy at technik. they were the ones that made and sold mliners first SC kit using the ASA. I believe he is no longer with technik but is still in colaboration with mliner for his mods and projects on his ride. Samir was the one who referred mliner to go to RMS until RMS screwed him over.

Samir did not refer mliner to RMS. Samir wanted RMS to build him a turbo kit for the e46 m3. He told mliner to sell his sc kit so he could build him a turbo system. The project on mliners car was samirs deal. Then he disappeared and left his project on rms's shoulders with no financial support.

[Sticky]

Samir did not refer mliner to RMS. Samir wanted RMS to build him a turbo kit for the e46 m3. He told mliner to sell his sc kit so he could build him a turbo system. The project on mliners car was samirs deal. Then he disappeared and left his project on rms's shoulders with no financial support.
This is far more accurate.

Plus, doesn't Samir have some new shop under a new name now? He owes a bunch of people money...

[turboaddiction]

Samir was the guy that came to Osh asking him to build a turbo kit for him. He wanted something that made decent power and was reliable. Also tuned on the factory ecu. He provided the car and then disappeared. He didn't build the exhaust manifold. He is not Mliner. He does not work at RMS.

from what i know, samir was with technik or was the main guy at technik. they were the ones that made and sold mliners first SC kit using the ASA. I believe he is no longer with technik but is still in colaboration with mliner for his mods and projects on his ride. Samir was the one who referred mliner to go to RMS until RMS screwed him over.

Samir did not refer mliner to RMS. Samir wanted RMS to build him a turbo kit for the e46 m3. He told mliner to sell his sc kit so he could build him a turbo system. The project on mliners car was samirs deal. Then he disappeared and left his project on rms's shoulders with no financial support.

This is far more accurate.

Plus, doesn't Samir have some new shop under a new name now? He owes a bunch of people money...
OK thanks for the awesome information. This will work until Mliner can come in and tell us all about the awesome progress on his car.

So, from the information above, I have learned:

1) Samir was with Technik.
2) The supercharger kit that was on Mliner's car and never was 100% finished was a Technik system.
3) That is how Mliner and Samir became buds and started brainstorming on how to make Mliner's car even sweeeter.
4) Samir decided to leave Technik for whatever reason but still was bros with Mliner and wanted to help him make his car even sweeter.
5) Then Mliner wanted a custom turbo system with mss54 tuning and Samir had an idea :idea: to have RMS build the turbo system and tune it for Mliner because RMS has built tons of turbo systems successfully (yeah super duper idea there Samir! :facepalm:) .
6) The project on Mliner's car was Samir's deal yet Samir has no affiliation with RMS and Mliner is the customer so actually to me it seems that as soon as the car came to RMS it was a deal between RMS and Mliner...or did RMS think the car belonged to Samir? Not sure...:confused:
7) Samir and Osh had words and then Mliner says Osh hit Samir and then 3 other dudes jumped in on Osh's side where Chris (Osh's nephew) was one of them, but Chris said Osh simply put his hand on Samir's shoulder and nicely asked him to leave and Samir attacked Osh and then Chris went to get Samir off Osh.
8) Samir disappears and leaves RMS hanging with the M3 and no financing for the turbo system (even though it's actually Mliner's car and responsibility).


That's what I got out of it. What I don't understand is:

1) Why the hell couldn't Technik or Samir's new shop make the turbo system for Mliner?
2) How was technik getting their tuning for the S/C kits? Couldn't they also tune a turbo e46 m3 then?
3) What would Samir have to gain for taking the car to RMS and having them build the turbo system AND tune it?
4) How the hell can a guinea pig custom turbo system with stock mss54 turbo tuning (which has never been done before) cost $10,000 or less (whether it is done at RMS or Gintani)?
5) Oh and did Osh refund Mliner for the crappy turbo system hardware?

[THATDONFC]

1) Samir was with Technik.
yes

2) The supercharger kit that was on Mliner's car and never was 100% finished was a Technik system.
yes

3) That is how Mliner and Samir became buds and started brainstorming on how to make Mliner's car even sweeeter.
yes

4) Samir decided to leave Technik for whatever reason but still was bros with Mliner and wanted to help him make his car even sweeter.
yes

5) Then Mliner wanted a custom turbo system with mss54 tuning and Samir had an idea :idea: to have RMS build the turbo system and tune it for Mliner because RMS has built tons of turbo systems successfully (yeah super duper idea there Samir! :facepalm:) .
There's a first time for everything

6) The project on Mliner's car was Samir's deal yet Samir has no affiliation with RMS and Mliner is the customer so actually to me it seems that as soon as the car came to RMS it was a deal between RMS and Mliner...or did RMS think the car belonged to Samir? Not sure...:confused:
Mliner was not supposed to have anything to do with the project. It was strictly between Osh and Samir. Then Samir disappeared so Osh had to take full responsibility of the project with no financial help.



That's what I got out of it. What I don't understand is:

1) Why the hell couldn't Technik or Samir's new shop make the turbo system for Mliner?
Because they are not capable?

3) What would Samir have to gain for taking the car to RMS and having them build the turbo system AND tune it?
To have someone build him a turbo kit to sell for cheap.

4) How the hell can a guinea pig custom turbo system with stock mss54 turbo tuning (which has never been done before) cost $10,000 or less (whether it is done at RMS or Gintani)?
You got me on that one... For some reason samir thought it should only cost 4k...:facepalm:
It was almost finished too, before the plug was pulled...

5) Oh and did Osh refund Mliner for the crappy turbo system hardware?
Osh refunded the money. Not because it was crappy hardware. Because mliner insisted that he have new parts made. I can send you some pics if you want.

BTW: where was your sig picture taken? Looks like fun. :thumbsup:

[turboaddiction]

Awesome! Thank you for answering those questions!!! :hi:
1) Samir was with Technik.
yes

2) The supercharger kit that was on Mliner's car and never was 100% finished was a Technik system.
yes

3) That is how Mliner and Samir became buds and started brainstorming on how to make Mliner's car even sweeeter.
yes

4) Samir decided to leave Technik for whatever reason but still was bros with Mliner and wanted to help him make his car even sweeter.
yes

5) Then Mliner wanted a custom turbo system with mss54 tuning and Samir had an idea :idea: to have RMS build the turbo system and tune it for Mliner because RMS has built tons of turbo systems successfully (yeah super duper idea there Samir! :facepalm:) .
There's a first time for everything
Yikes :eek:

6) The project on Mliner's car was Samir's deal yet Samir has no affiliation with RMS and Mliner is the customer so actually to me it seems that as soon as the car came to RMS it was a deal between RMS and Mliner...or did RMS think the car belonged to Samir? Not sure...:confused:
Mliner was not supposed to have anything to do with the project. It was strictly between Osh and Samir. Then Samir disappeared so Osh had to take full responsibility of the project with no financial help.
Wait a minute. It is Mliner's car, correct? Why was Mlinernot supposed to have anything to do with the project? Was Samir using Mliner's car and RMS to have an e46 m3 turbo kit tuned on mss54 built so he could sell as a mass produced kit? Wouldn't Mliner be the one who is paying for the turbo system since it's his car? :confused:


That's what I got out of it. What I don't understand is:

1) Why the hell couldn't Technik or Samir's new shop make the turbo system for Mliner?
Because they are not capable?
Well that is sad but okay.

3) What would Samir have to gain for taking the car to RMS and having them build the turbo system AND tune it?
To have someone build him a turbo kit to sell for cheap.
To sell to whom? The car used is Mliner's car, right? And why would it be for cheap? RMS is in the business to make money too, right?

4) How the hell can a guinea pig custom turbo system with stock mss54 turbo tuning (which has never been done before) cost $10,000 or less (whether it is done at RMS or Gintani)?
You got me on that one... For some reason samir thought it should only cost 4k...:facepalm:
It was almost finished too, before the plug was pulled...
4k? One-off? mss54 tuned? OMFG! :lmao: Did RMS tell him a different price at first and then afterward he was going to only pay $4k? Or was that price actually agreed upon in the beginning by RMS?

5) Oh and did Osh refund Mliner for the crappy turbo system hardware?
Osh refunded the money. Not because it was crappy hardware. Because mliner insisted that he have new parts made. I can send you some pics if you want.
So he admitted to getting a refund for the tuning, but after all his complaining in his thread you are saying he received a refund for the hardware too? I'd love to see pics!

BTW: where was your sig picture taken? Looks like fun. :thumbsup:
Thanks! When the surf is really good I wear a surfing helmet with a GoPro HD camera on it to take video from the surfer's point of view. I need to get RainX and coat the housing so I don't get water drops like that next time.

The spot is called Big Rock in La Jolla. It can be very heavy and is nicknamed "The California Pipeline". It's called "Big Rock" because there is a shallow rock shelf and then this big ass part of the reef sticks 3-6 feet (depending on tide) out of the water right in front of the take-off spot. It's rather intimidating.

[THATDONFC]

Awesome! Thank you for answering those questions!!! :hi:

Thanks! When the surf is really good I wear a surfing helmet with a GoPro HD camera on it to take video from the surfer's point of view. I need to get RainX and coat the housing so I don't get water drops like that next time.

The spot is called Big Rock in La Jolla. It can be very heavy and is nicknamed "The California Pipeline". It's called "Big Rock" because there is a shallow rock shelf and then this big ass part of the reef sticks 3-6 feet (depending on tide) out of the water right in front of the take-off spot. It's rather intimidating.

Sounds like fun! I wish I had the time to hit the water. How cold is it down there? Water must be freezing. It's pretty cold up here in Venice.


6)Wait a minute. It is Mliner's car, correct? Why was Mliner not supposed to have anything to do with the project? Was Samir using Mliner's car and RMS to have an e46 m3 turbo kit tuned on mss54 built so he could sell as a mass produced kit? Wouldn't Mliner be the one who is paying for the turbo system since it's his car?
That is correct. He was using Mliner's car and in turn, he gets a turbo kit.

3)To sell to whom? The car used is Mliner's car, right? And why would it be for cheap? RMS is in the business to make money too, right?
Samir wanted a turbo kit he could reproduce and sell for cheap to make money.

4)4k? One-off? mss54 tuned? OMFG! Did RMS tell him a different price at first and then afterward he was going to only pay $4k? Or was that price actually agreed upon in the beginning by RMS?
There was no set price. It was a pay as you go deal. Rms would have never agreed to do the project for 4k. As a matter of fact, Osh told Samir that it was going to be a costly project and he gladly agreed to continue. :tsk:

5)So he admitted to getting a refund for the tuning, but after all his complaining in his thread you are saying he received a refund for the hardware too? I'd love to see pics!
Yeah, he got a refund for the hardware too. I'll take some pictures tomorrow.

[turboaddiction]

Sounds like fun! I wish I had the time to hit the water. How cold is it down there? Water must be freezing. It's pretty cold up here in Venice.
Thanks! The water is pretty cold but if there wasn't an El Nino it would be much worse! I wear a 4/3mm wetsuit and I can still handle not wearing booties because I don't surf well with them on since it's hard to feel connected to the board.


6)Wait a minute. It is Mliner's car, correct? Why was Mliner not supposed to have anything to do with the project? Was Samir using Mliner's car and RMS to have an e46 m3 turbo kit tuned on mss54 built so he could sell as a mass produced kit? Wouldn't Mliner be the one who is paying for the turbo system since it's his car?
That is correct. He was using Mliner's car and in turn, he gets a turbo kit.
WTF? OK I will comment more on the next line. :eek:

3)To sell to whom? The car used is Mliner's car, right? And why would it be for cheap? RMS is in the business to make money too, right?
Samir wanted a turbo kit he could reproduce and sell for cheap to make money.
THis is absolutely nuts! RMS knew this and went ahead to make the turbo kit anyway? Why wouldn't RMS just make a turbo system themselves that they could sell to the masses and make money? Why in the world would Samir go to a shop like RMS to have them make a turbo kit and do the tuning so he could sell it to the masses and make money? He couldn't because you have to make a jig for the exhaust manifold, intake manifold and all of the piping plus he would have to get access to the Flash tune and equipment to Flash DMEs good God this is making my head spin...the lack of logic is killing me! :rofl: Also, why wouldn't he hire a great TIG welder to make the turbo system hardware and jigs to make multiple copies so he could brand it his instead of going to a competitor to do it like RMS? And back to why RMS would agree to it I mean WTH? :yikes:

4)4k? One-off? mss54 tuned? OMFG! Did RMS tell him a different price at first and then afterward he was going to only pay $4k? Or was that price actually agreed upon in the beginning by RMS?
There was no set price. It was a pay as you go deal. Rms would have never agreed to do the project for 4k. As a matter of fact, Osh told Samir that it was going to be a costly project and he gladly agreed to continue.
This Samir sounds like a like a pretty straight shooter. :facepalm:

5)So he admitted to getting a refund for the tuning, but after all his complaining in his thread you are saying he received a refund for the hardware too? I'd love to see pics! Yeah, he got a refund for the hardware too. I'll take some pictures tomorrow.
Nice! Thank you! :thumbsup:

Oh and I wonder if Samir is still involved with Mliner?

[THATDONFC]

Nice! Thank you! :thumbsup:

Oh and I wonder if Samir is still involved with Mliner?

Who knows...

THis is absolutely nuts! RMS knew this and went ahead to make the turbo kit anyway? Why wouldn't RMS just make a turbo system themselves that they could sell to the masses and make money? Why in the world would Samir go to a shop like RMS to have them make a turbo kit and do the tuning so he could sell it to the masses and make money? He couldn't because you have to make a jig for the exhaust manifold, intake manifold and all of the piping plus he would have to get access to the Flash tune and equipment to Flash DMEs good God this is making my head spin...the lack of logic is killing me! Also, why wouldn't he hire a great TIG welder to make the turbo system hardware and jigs to make multiple copies so he could brand it his instead of going to a competitor to do it like RMS? And back to why RMS would agree to it I mean WTH?

This deal was made back when Samir and Osh were friends. Osh was doing Samir a favor by taking on this project. It actually very funny, the exhaust manifold, intake piping, intercooler and intake manifold are all ready to be replicated. Jigs have been made for all the piping and the CAD work is done on the intercoolder and manifold. All of those questions about what's going on inside Samir's head are beyond me. Out of all the interactions I've had with Samir... :loco:

[imapimp]

As an outsider looking in (I have nothing to do with them or know these guys).

RMS has a bad reputation if you haven't noticed. So they would be behind the scenes making the kit, while Samir would be the front man. This way they can sell it without having a bad rep. The new company ("Samir's") would be selling the kits and branded by them. This was a good idea for everyone if everything worked out right but with something like this it never does.

Again this is just a guess but I believe I'm pretty accurate with my guess.

[5!no7]

I think Mliner can only say what really went down and people should not jump and start throwing names into the dirt ..

[THATDONFC]

As an outsider looking in (I have nothing to do with them or know these guys).

RMS has a bad reputation if you haven't noticed. So they would be behind the scenes making the kit, while Samir would be the front man. This way they can sell it without having a bad rep. The new company ("Samir's") would be selling the kits and branded by them. This was a good idea for everyone if everything worked out right but with something like this it never does.

Again this is just a guess but I believe I'm pretty accurate with my guess.

Samir was going to sell the turbo kit as a technik turbo kit. Again, the kit was designed for Samir. Not for any other purpose.

[THATDONFC]

I think Mliner can only say what really went down and people should not jump and start throwing names into the dirt ..

I can say what really happened because I was there. I'm not throwing names into the dirt. Just telling it how it is.

[imapimp]

Samir was going to sell the turbo kit as a technik turbo kit. Again, the kit was designed for Samir. Not for any other purpose.

It was designed for Samir to start selling. RMS would want something in it, otherwise, they would just sell it.

So what I'm saying is (from what you wrote previously in here that RMS will be making these for Samir) that RMS is behind the scenes making the parts and the tune but it would be branded Technik or whatever.

Otherwise, why would RMS agree to do this, if what I'm saying is not the case?

[turboaddiction]

Who knows...



This deal was made back when Samir and Osh were friends. Osh was doing Samir a favor by taking on this project. It actually very funny, the exhaust manifold, intake piping, intercooler and intake manifold are all ready to be replicated. Jigs have been made for all the piping and the CAD work is done on the intercoolder and manifold. All of those questions about what's going on inside Samir's head are beyond me. Out of all the interactions I've had with Samir... :loco:
Oh Samir and Osh were friends? Oh wait jigs were made by RMS for everything and CAD work is done for intercooler and manifold? So this was maybe Samir's idea and he brought the idea to Osh and when Osh heard Samir had the e46 m3 test car Osh's eyes went $$$$$$$ and they colaberated to make a turbo system for the e46 m3 with mss54 tuning? That all makes sense now! :yikes: Especially since it was said that when Samir disappeared he left Osh hanging with no financial help! Now I know why Mliner could afford the kit and not an HPF turbo kit, because for allowing him to give up his car as a test car the kit was going to be free or near free. Hmmmmmm........the plot thickens! :4ngie:

Oh and as a thank you for being so kind and giving me the information needed to solve this puzzle, I will reward you with a picture from this morning of the famous "Big Rock"! It was high tide so not much of the rock was sticking out but enough to cut your nuts off if you don't know what you're doing. :shhh:

I was paddling back out and took some video of a wave passing by to get this frame grab here.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1369/21510cambigrockrockpic.jpg
As an outsider looking in (I have nothing to do with them or know these guys).

RMS has a bad reputation if you haven't noticed. So they would be behind the scenes making the kit, while Samir would be the front man. This way they can sell it without having a bad rep. The new company ("Samir's") would be selling the kits and branded by them. This was a good idea for everyone if everything worked out right but with something like this it never does.

Again this is just a guess but I believe I'm pretty accurate with my guess.
Did you write this before reading THATDONFC's post above? Pretty good observation. :str8pimpi

[THATDONFC]

It was designed for Samir to start selling. RMS would want something in it, otherwise, they would just sell it.

So what I'm saying is (from what you wrote previously in here that RMS will be making these for Samir) that RMS is behind the scenes making the parts and the tune but it would be branded Technik or whatever.

Otherwise, why would RMS agree to do this, if what I'm saying is not the case?

RMS would have been making the parts. Just like any other company that does not have the ability to make these parts.

Oh Samir and Osh were friends? Oh wait jigs were made by RMS for everything and CAD work is done for intercooler and manifold?
All of the Jigs and CAD drawings were done either after the parts were finished or while they were being made.

So this was maybe Samir's idea and he brought the idea to Osh and when Osh heard Samir had the e46 m3 test car Osh's eyes went $$$$$$$ and they colaberated to make a turbo system for the e46 m3 with mss54 tuning?
Osh did not want to take this project on. Samir came to Osh asking him for a favor. When Samir guaranteed Osh that this could be done and he would be there every step of the way, Osh agreed.

[imapimp]

I read this thread earlier (but not time to reply) when THATDONFC's replied to your questions and kinda put one and one together to get two. I mean every business is in it to make money, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time.

[imapimp]

RMS would have been making the parts. Just like any other company that does not have the ability to make these parts.

Yeah but besides making the parts they were doing the tune. We are basically on the same page.

RMS sells products/service for a profit to Samir, Samir sells the kit for a profit to consumers, consumers get a quality turbo kit at affordable cost. Everyone benefits.

So we are on the same page now :thumbsup:

[THATDONFC]

Yeah but besides making the parts they were doing the tune. We are basically on the same page.

RMS sells products/service for a profit to Samir, Samir sells the kit for a profit to consumers, consumers get a quality turbo kit at affordable cost. Everyone benefits.

So we are on the same page now :thumbsup:

We are on the same page :D

[SPDu4ea]

4 years ago as Samir was to being tuning:

Regardless of what anyone says, HPF should be commended for building a complete S54 turbo kit in ~ 3 weeks.

The new manifold is already completed. I actually <i>wanted</i> to keep the OE plenum just to see how <i>durable</i> it really is.

<img src="http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/HPFM3FrontNoBumper.jpg">

We'll be getting the car back shortly. The next step is going to be interesting :shhh:

[turboaddiction]

RMS would have been making the parts. Just like any other company that does not have the ability to make these parts.
RMS would have been making the parts. Just like any other company that does not have the ability to make these parts.


Quote:
Originally Posted by turboaddiction
Oh Samir and Osh were friends? Oh wait jigs were made by RMS for everything and CAD work is done for intercooler and manifold?
All of the Jigs and CAD drawings were done either after the parts were finished or while they were being made.
Just as I thought. Thanks.
So this was maybe Samir's idea and he brought the idea to Osh and when Osh heard Samir had the e46 m3 test car Osh's eyes went $$$$$$$ and they colaberated to make a turbo system for the e46 m3 with mss54 tuning?
Osh did not want to take this project on. Samir came to Osh asking him for a favor. When Samir guaranteed Osh that this could be done and he would be there every step of the way, Osh agreed.
OK I gotcha.


I read this thread earlier (but not time to reply) when THATDONFC's replied to your questions and kinda put one and one together to get two. I mean every business is in it to make money, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time.
Thanks. Yeah I was very sure as well but was waiting to hear it from RMS.
Yeah but besides making the parts they were doing the tune. We are basically on the same page.

RMS sells products/service for a profit to Samir, Samir sells the kit for a profit to consumers, consumers get a quality turbo kit at affordable cost. Everyone benefits.

So we are on the same page now :thumbsup:

We are on the same page :D
All makes sense to me. So it makes me wonder where this Samir guy is now. Although in this speed shop aftermarket business I have heard of tons of Samirish types in the last 3 years.

So...is RMS going to finish what they started? CAD and jigs are all set to go! :)


Oh and where the hell is Mliner and how is Gintani doing on his kit? Is Samir involved with Gintani like he was with Osh and trying the same idea? If not then why would Gintani do it for less than $10,000? they probably wouldn't, right? I mean we agreed to that when it was RMS so what makes any of it any different. It just started over again with a different shop? Oh and is Gintani now using the exhaust manifold made by RMS that they have a jig for and Mliner is claiming it wasn't done by RMS?

Oh and did you see the big rock that wants to kill you I was talking about?

[THATDONFC]

So...is RMS going to finish what they started? CAD and jigs are all set to go! :)

Thinking about it. Although, Gintani seems to be doing a great job!


Oh and where the hell is Mliner and how is Gintani doing on his kit? Is Samir involved with Gintani like he was with Osh and trying the same idea? If not then why would Gintani do it for less than $10,000? they probably wouldn't, right? I mean we agreed to that when it was RMS so what makes any of it any different. It just started over again with a different shop? Oh and is Gintani now using the exhaust manifold made by RMS that they have a jig for and Mliner is claiming it wasn't done by RMS?

Oh and did you see the big rock that wants to kill you I was talking about?

I'm not sure where Mliner is... But it looks like Gintani is almost done with his car. It's looking good. When was his car taken out of RMS? how long ago? Just wondering... I'm pretty sure Samir is not involved with Gintani. I'm sure Mliner has paid a pretty penny to get his car where it is now. The difference is that Osh and samir were friends. Alex and Samir are not...

And I believe Gintani is using the RMS exhaust manifold. Mliner did not return that part...

I saw the rock. Looks pretty scary. I wouldn't want to be there on one of my off days. haha!

[THATDONFC]

I gotta sleep now. Work at 7 am. Be back here tomorrow to answer some more q's.

Gotta love FI!

:)

[turboaddiction]

4 years ago as Samir was to being tuning:
Thanks. So you are saying he tried to come out with his own turbo kit 4 years ago and was unsuccessful? Then decided this time when he had a falling out with Technik he went to his friend Osh and tried to do it again with him? I wonder why Samir bailed on the project? It's obvious he had a dream of having his own e46 m3 turbo kit on the market. Somewhere in this thread I believe it was said Samir didn't like the quality and/or the fact it was taking forever. Hmmmm...more plot questions. :confused:

[turboaddiction]

Thinking about it. Although, Gintani seems to be doing a great job!




I'm not sure where Mliner is... But it looks like Gintani is almost done with his car. It's looking good. When was his car taken out of RMS? how long ago? Just wondering... I'm pretty sure Samir is not involved with Gintani. I'm sure Mliner has paid a pretty penny to get his car where it is now. The difference is that Osh and samir were friends. Alex and Samir are not...

And I believe Gintani is using the RMS exhaust manifold. Mliner did not return that part...

I saw the rock. Looks pretty scary. I wouldn't want to be there on one of my off days. haha!
Hey thanks for all the info. It really clears things up because Mliner didn't post sh&t for information except when he was mad at RMS. Now it has all come together! :thumbsup:

Yeah I have ended up standing right next to that rock in 2ft of water earlier this winter after being tossed around like King Kong was using me as a fly swatter. I tore my MCL that big day and was out for a month. That place can be HEAVY SHEYAT! :loco:

I gotta sleep now. Work at 7 am. Be back here tomorrow to answer some more q's.

Gotta love FI!

:)
Me too! My kids will be up at 6:15am. Gotta make them breakfast. Thanks again! :hi:

[Mliner1]

Here is the answer to a lot of questions

[SPDu4ea]

Thanks. So you are saying he tried to come out with his own turbo kit 4 years ago and was unsuccessful?

Pretty much. It was supposed to be a collaboration with HPF, but it doesn't sound like Samir/Technik ever made any headway with the tuning & HPF went in-house after a couple months of waiting:


Feb '06 HPF announces they're building a E46 M3 turbo kit to be DME-tuned by Technik.

March '06 they deliver the prototype to Samir @ technik.

April '06 car goes to bimmerfest completely untuned (Samir says they were doing hardware revisions to try and eliminate an idle issue before starting to tune)

May '06 HPF announces they are not confident their deadline will be met and begins "dual development" using John Reed to tune an AEM version.

June '06 HPF expresses some frustration with the delays at Technik, announces they they're flying their local tuner (John Reed?) to Europe to be trained on the E46 & E90 electronics.

July '06 HPF announces the hiring of JP from AEM to develop the custom ems and says they will now be doing everything in-house (scratching the dme plans completely).

Oct '06 HPF puts down 520rwhp on Pt61... rest is history

edit: Here's the original thread on bf.c http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481320 It's a gem, has the infamous "boost pillow" quote too.

[Mliner1]

There hasn't been an update for a while.

1) Did Osh ever issue you a refund?
2) Can we see pictures of the hardware that RMS made and was discarded due to poor quality?
3) Can we see pictures of the new hardware and welds done by Gintani?
4) Did Gintani make a new exhaust manifold as suggested in the video below? because this thread says the same exhaust manifold will be used which was made by Samir...is that correct?
5) What is taking so long? Tuning?
6) Has the budget exceeded $15,000 yet?
7) Will the car be done before Bimmerfest and will it be at Bimmerfest?
8) Who is Samir? Does he work for Gintani?

This video was just posted of this car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtF8bM3joOs

I bumped this thread for an update on Mliner's car in the original post. Please ignore the bickering that happened back and forth. I would love to just get some answers to some questions. I am very interested to see how this is turning out and some others probably do too.


:lmao:

Well I am honestly serious. I don't frequent this forum much but i plan to hang around a lot more. I might pick up an e46 m3 in the future. I do have an e46 325i daily.

I seriously don't know who Samir is. From this thread all I got was that he:
1) Has something to do with the exhaust manifold for this turbo e46 m3.
2) Does not work at RMS.
3) Is not Mliner (I believe)

So who is he? Just curious. This Samir man in the quotes below remains a mystery to me anyways.















:confused:

Paging Mliner! Paging Mliner! Hellllllooo Hellllllooo Hellllllooo

Samir was the guy that came to Osh asking him to build a turbo kit for him. He wanted something that made decent power and was reliable. Also tuned on the factory ecu. He provided the car and then disappeared. He didn't build the exhaust manifold. He is not Mliner. He does not work at RMS.

Samir did not refer mliner to RMS. Samir wanted RMS to build him a turbo kit for the e46 m3. He told mliner to sell his sc kit so he could build him a turbo system. The project on mliners car was samirs deal. Then he disappeared and left his project on rms's shoulders with no financial support.

OK thanks for the awesome information. This will work until Mliner can come in and tell us all about the awesome progress on his car.

So, from the information above, I have learned:

1) Samir was with Technik.
2) The supercharger kit that was on Mliner's car and never was 100% finished was a Technik system.
3) That is how Mliner and Samir became buds and started brainstorming on how to make Mliner's car even sweeeter.
4) Samir decided to leave Technik for whatever reason but still was bros with Mliner and wanted to help him make his car even sweeter.
5) Then Mliner wanted a custom turbo system with mss54 tuning and Samir had an idea :idea: to have RMS build the turbo system and tune it for Mliner because RMS has built tons of turbo systems successfully (yeah super duper idea there Samir! :facepalm:) .
6) The project on Mliner's car was Samir's deal yet Samir has no affiliation with RMS and Mliner is the customer so actually to me it seems that as soon as the car came to RMS it was a deal between RMS and Mliner...or did RMS think the car belonged to Samir? Not sure...:confused:
7) Samir and Osh had words and then Mliner says Osh hit Samir and then 3 other dudes jumped in on Osh's side where Chris (Osh's nephew) was one of them, but Chris said Osh simply put his hand on Samir's shoulder and nicely asked him to leave and Samir attacked Osh and then Chris went to get Samir off Osh.
8) Samir disappears and leaves RMS hanging with the M3 and no financing for the turbo system (even though it's actually Mliner's car and responsibility).


That's what I got out of it. What I don't understand is:

1) Why the hell couldn't Technik or Samir's new shop make the turbo system for Mliner?
2) How was technik getting their tuning for the S/C kits? Couldn't they also tune a turbo e46 m3 then?
3) What would Samir have to gain for taking the car to RMS and having them build the turbo system AND tune it?
4) How the hell can a guinea pig custom turbo system with stock mss54 turbo tuning (which has never been done before) cost $10,000 or less (whether it is done at RMS or Gintani)?
5) Oh and did Osh refund Mliner for the crappy turbo system hardware?

1) Did Osh ever issue you a refund? Not going to talk about that issue.
2) Can we see pictures of the hardware that RMS made and was discarded due to poor quality? All the parts that were put on the car from RMS are now back with RMS EXCEPT the Exhaust manifold to continue with the project correctly.
3) Can we see pictures of the new hardware and welds done by Gintani? I'll post up pictures of the engine and exhaust after I answer these questions.
4) Did Gintani make a new exhaust manifold as suggested in the video below? because this thread says the same exhaust manifold will be used which was made by Samir...is that correct? There is a lot of confusion with this exhaust manifold. Here is the story. Samir had a turbo m3 that was in the process of being MFG'ed with HPF (never worked out). Samir gave RMS the exhaust manifold to be used on MY CAR. Once again, the exhaust manifold that is on my car RIGHT NOW is Samir's.
5) What is taking so long? Tuning? From RMS to Gintani, there were a lot of alterations needed to be made and that is why it has been taking so long. Gintani is almosed finished.
6) Has the budget exceeded $15,000 yet? No.
7) Will the car be done before Bimmerfest and will it be at Bimmerfest? Yes, I will be at Bimmerfest 100%.
8) Who is Samir? Does he work for Gintani? Samir (owner of Technik). No, he does not work for Gintani.


I bumped this thread for an update on Mliner's car in the original post. Please ignore the bickering that happened back and forth. I would love to just get some answers to some questions. I am very interested to see how this is turning out and some others probably do too.


:lmao:

Well I am honestly serious. I don't frequent this forum much but i plan to hang around a lot more. I might pick up an e46 m3 in the future. I do have an e46 325i daily.

I seriously don't know who Samir is. From this thread all I got was that he:
1) Has something to do with the exhaust manifold for this turbo e46 m3. Yes, Samir gave RMS the manifold to use on the turbo kit for my car.2) Does not work at RMS. - Yes, he does not work for RMS.
3) Is not Mliner (I believe) - M liner is me ;)So who is he? Just curious. This Samir man in the quotes below remains a mystery to me anyways.















:confused:

Paging Mliner! Paging Mliner! Hellllllooo Hellllllooo Hellllllooo I'm here ;)

Samir was the guy that came to Osh asking him to build a turbo kit for him. He wanted something that made decent power and was reliable. Also tuned on the factory ecu. He provided the car and then disappeared. He didn't build the exhaust manifold. He is not Mliner. He does not work at RMS.

You are right about the first post. "Samir was the guy that came to Osh asking him to build a turbo kit for him". Now, I was the one that provided MY OWN CAR. Disapeared? Yea, well....he's not the one that is building the kit. RMS is the shop. Not Samir. Samir does not work at RMS.

[Sticky]

Thank you for the info Mliner. It must put a smile on your face knowing how much interest there is in your awesome turbo E46. Almost makes that whole earlier debacle worth it... almost ;)

Oh, and the welds are the best part, the guy is good, very good.

[SPDu4ea]

Thank you for the info Mliner. It must put a smile on your face knowing how much interest there is in your awesome turbo E46.

Oh, and the welds are the best part, the guy is good, very good.


Agreed, that fabricator is very good. Can't wait for the results!

[Mliner1]

Samir did not refer mliner to RMS. Samir wanted RMS to build him a turbo kit for the e46 m3. He told mliner to sell his sc kit so he could build him a turbo system. The project on mliners car was samirs deal. Then he disappeared and left his project on rms's shoulders with no financial support.

Samir did refer me to RMS. I remember the first time I ever went to RMS. Osh was talking about a liquid cooled turbo setup on the e46 m3. Samir never told me to sell my sc kit. I was the one that wanted a turbo after a year, and asked him if it's possible to build a turbo kit. I said "I'll sell my sc kit and get some funds for the turbo kit". Ended up selling the sc kit to a local guy and had RMS do the installation of the sc kit on the sellers car. The project was Samir's and Osh's deal. I remember them talking about how much they will be splitting together. Now...this is the part WHERE I HAD TO POST SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR COMMENT.

Then he disappeared and left his project on rms's shoulders with no financial support ---- Chris! What do you mean he disappeared? You think Samir is going to stay at RMS 24/7 to check up on my car? Who cares if he left? Who is doing all the work? RMS right? Who's shop is the car at? RMS right? WITH NO FINANCIAL SUPPORT? LOLOL LMAO HAHAH LMFAO!!! ---I'm actually laughing right now. I paid the total amount in about 3 days of the car sitting at the shop. Don't tell me there was no financial support. Your only lying to yourself and fooling other people.
OK thanks for the awesome information. This will work until Mliner can come in and tell us all about the awesome progress on his car.

So, from the information above, I have learned:

1) Samir was with Technik.
2) The supercharger kit that was on Mliner's car and never was 100% finished was a Technik system. Yes, it was about 99% finished, just needed some tuning adjustments that never worked out.
3) That is how Mliner and Samir became buds and started brainstorming on how to make Mliner's car even sweeeter.
4) Samir decided to leave Technik for whatever reason but still was bros with Mliner and wanted to help him make his car even sweeter.
5) Then Mliner wanted a custom turbo system with mss54 tuning and Samir had an idea :idea: to have RMS build the turbo system and tune it for Mliner because RMS has built tons of turbo systems successfully (yeah super duper idea there Samir! :facepalm:) . HAHAHAHAHHAHAH LMAO!!!!
6) The project on Mliner's car was Samir's deal yet Samir has no affiliation with RMS and Mliner is the customer so actually to me it seems that as soon as the car came to RMS it was a deal between RMS and Mliner...or did RMS think the car belonged to Samir? Not sure...:confused: RMS knew more then 1,000,000% the car was mine.7) Samir and Osh had words and then Mliner says Osh hit Samir and then 3 other dudes jumped in on Osh's side where Chris (Osh's nephew) was one of them, but Chris said Osh simply put his hand on Samir's shoulder and nicely asked him to leave and Samir attacked Osh and then Chris went to get Samir off Osh.
8) Samir disappears and leaves RMS hanging with the M3 and no financing for the turbo system (even though it's actually Mliner's car and responsibility). I paid for everything before RMS put anything on the car.


That's what I got out of it. What I don't understand is:

1) Why the hell couldn't Technik or Samir's new shop make the turbo system for Mliner? Not sure.
2) How was technik getting their tuning for the S/C kits? Couldn't they also tune a turbo e46 m3 then? The tuning was out of state. The tuner didn't have much time anymore because he was really busy with his wife and son.3) What would Samir have to gain for taking the car to RMS and having them build the turbo system AND tune it? 50-50 % profit with Osh & samir.
4) How the hell can a guinea pig custom turbo system with stock mss54 turbo tuning (which has never been done before) cost $10,000 or less (whether it is done at RMS or Gintani)?
5) Oh and did Osh refund Mliner for the crappy turbo system hardware?
Not going to say anything about that.

[Mliner1]

No problems guys. Just ask me any questions if you guys are still confused. BTW, I think I will know A LITTTTLLLLEEE bit more then THATDONFC --- so just disregard his comments. I mean after all...I had to buy a new ECU once Gintani found out the ECU WAS ABUSED!!!

But...what would I know right Chris? ;) BTW - See you at Bimmerfest

[Sticky]

No problems guys. Just ask me any questions if you guys are still confused. BTW, I think I will know A LITTTTLLLLEEE bit more then THATDONFC --- so just disregard his comments. I mean after all...I had to buy a new ECU once Gintani found out the ECU WAS ABUSED!!!

But...what would I know right Chris? ;) BTW - See you at Bimmerfest
No worries man, your car seriously has been generating a ton of interest and people seem to be happy with the update (well... most :rolleyes:).

People will take it straight from you :thumbsup: Way to set the record straight. I think a book could be written on your car and its experience ;)

[Mliner1]

I can write a book trust me. Maybe we can talk face to face at Bimmerfest. Well, since I was browsing through the forums earlier today, I just HAD to give everyone the right information about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED WITH THIS CAR.

No problem man

[finger123]

uh huh..just as i said earlier. it was only a matter of time until mliner came in and told the real story.

1. samir did refer mliner to RMS.
2. RMS took on a job that they couldnt finish. Mliner ended up taking it to another shop that was capable of finishing it.
3. instead of RMS saying they couldnt do it, they give excuses such as financial, etc so that they dont look bad.
4. now mliners car is in good hands and will be done soon.

i think that pretty much sums it up.

[finger123]

Pretty much. It was supposed to be a collaboration with HPF, but it doesn't sound like Samir/Technik ever made any headway with the tuning & HPF went in-house after a couple months of waiting:


Feb '06 HPF announces they're building a E46 M3 turbo kit to be DME-tuned by Technik.

March '06 they deliver the prototype to Samir @ technik.

April '06 car goes to bimmerfest completely untuned (Samir says they were doing hardware revisions to try and eliminate an idle issue before starting to tune)

May '06 HPF announces they are not confident their deadline will be met and begins "dual development" using John Reed to tune an AEM version.

June '06 HPF expresses some frustration with the delays at Technik, announces they they're flying their local tuner (John Reed?) to Europe to be trained on the E46 & E90 electronics.

July '06 HPF announces the hiring of JP from AEM to develop the custom ems and says they will now be doing everything in-house (scratching the dme plans completely).

Oct '06 HPF puts down 520rwhp on Pt61... rest is history

edit: Here's the original thread on bf.c http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=481320 It's a gem, has the infamous "boost pillow" quote too.

very good info.... hmm. i always seem to like your posts. always so informational. lol... :thumbsup:

[techlogik]

What AA wouldn't do another custom turbo? Would have been the best way to go, or HPF...

[mgremillion09]

What kinda number is it putting out?

[turboaddiction]

I can write a book trust me. Maybe we can talk face to face at Bimmerfest. Well, since I was browsing through the forums earlier today, I just HAD to give everyone the right information about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED WITH THIS CAR.

No problem man
YES!!!!!!!!!!!:excited: Thank you so much Mliner! I really appreciate you coming in and taking the time to set everything straight. :thumbsup:

I am very excited (if you couldn't tell) about your car's true development. :read:
uh huh..just as i said earlier. it was only a matter of time until mliner came in and told the real story.

1. samir did refer mliner to RMS.
2. RMS took on a job that they couldnt finish. Mliner ended up taking it to another shop that was capable of finishing it.
3. instead of RMS saying they couldnt do it, they give excuses such as financial, etc so that they dont look bad.
4. now mliners car is in good hands and will be done soon.

i think that pretty much sums it up.
Nice recap, thanks! :thumbsup:
very good info.... hmm. i always seem to like your posts. always so informational. lol... :thumbsup:
+1
That was some good info!
What AA wouldn't do another custom turbo? Would have been the best way to go, or HPF...
AA would have cost as much or more than HPF for a one-off and it seems cost is a factor.

[5!no7]

and the truth will set you free .. Thedonfc not a good look putting Samir's name out like that

[THATDONFC]

This topic has been beat to death, so I won't go into it too much. You know that this was Samir's deal. He had every say in the project more than you did. RMS wanted to do an air to liquid, Samir said no. He was at RMS every week for the first month having meetings with Osh about what should be done. RMS was building a production turbo kit for Samir. We all know that this is not something that happens over night.

You did pay some money towards the project. But you and I both know that what you paid barely covered the cost of the turbo and a few other parts RMS paid for. Oh, and if the exhaust manifold came off of Samir's turbo m3, why was the exhaust flange for an m52? I personally reworked that manifold to make if work on an s54. It's insulting that you are actually telling me I didn't. The manifold Samir brought to RMS was a beauty. But it wouldn't work for what we were doing. So I cut the flange off, machined a one piece flange out of steel on our CNC machines, reworked all the tubes to get them in the right position, and had to round them out because they were oval shaped. That was about a weeks work.

We all know that RMS is 100% capable of building a badass turbo setup. But these things take a lot of time and money. It's very difficult to work on something for free, especially when there are bills to be paid and other customers that need to be taken care of. But even though RMS was left to finish this project and pay out of pocket to complete it, it was almost done. I would say Mliners car was 3 days away from being finished. But all of that is besides the fact. I will say one thing Sevan, once Osh knew that Samir wasn't in the picture anymore, he should've brought you in and asked you what you would like to do because Samir had disappeared. This is where it all went wrong. The project to replicate everything should have ended and your car should have been finished as a one off turbo car.

How is your car coming along anyways? I stopped by Gintani the other day and saw it up in the air. Almost done? I'm sure you're going to be very happy with their work! :thumbsup:

-Chris

[turboaddiction]

This topic has been beat to death, so I won't go into it too much. You know that this was Samir's deal. He had every say in the project more than you did. RMS wanted to do an air to liquid, Samir said no. He was at RMS every week for the first month having meetings with Osh about what should be done. RMS was building a production turbo kit for Samir. We all know that this is not something that happens over night.

You did pay some money towards the project. But you and I both know that what you paid barely covered the cost of the turbo and a few other parts RMS paid for. Oh, and if the exhaust manifold came off of Samir's turbo m3, why was the exhaust flange for an m52? I personally reworked that manifold to make if work on an s54. It's insulting that you are actually telling me I didn't. The manifold Samir brought to RMS was a beauty. But it wouldn't work for what we were doing. So I cut the flange off, machined a one piece flange out of steel on our CNC machines, reworked all the tubes to get them in the right position, and had to round them out because they were oval shaped. That was about a weeks work.

We all know that RMS is 100% capable of building a badass turbo setup. But these things take a lot of time and money. It's very difficult to work on something for free, especially when there are bills to be paid and other customers that need to be taken care of. But even though RMS was left to finish this project and pay out of pocket to complete it, it was almost done. I would say Mliners car was 3 days away from being finished. But all of that is besides the fact. I will say one thing Sevan, once Osh knew that Samir wasn't in the picture anymore, he should've brought you in and asked you what you would like to do because Samir had disappeared. This is where it all went wrong. The project to replicate everything should have ended and your car should have been finished as a one off turbo car.

How is your car coming along anyways? I stopped by Gintani the other day and saw it up in the air. Almost done? I'm sure you're going to be very happy with their work! :thumbsup:

-Chris
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[DLSJ5]

I recently saw the Gintani components/exhaust, etc. on Sev's car, IMHO the hardware is on par with HPF's, the welds on the exhaust, heat exchanger, piping are very well done, the manifold looks stellar, excellent craftsmanship. I also got a look at some of the other projects they are working on, I am impressed with their work and passion for BMW FI systems. :thumbsup:

[finger123]

I recently saw the Gintani components/exhaust, etc. on Sev's car, IMHO the hardware is on par with HPF's, the welds on the exhaust, heat exchanger, piping are very well done, the manifold looks stellar, excellent craftsmanship. I also got a look at some of the other projects they are working on, I am impressed with their work and passion for BMW FI systems. :thumbsup:

thanks for the info. im very tempted to find out the outcome of this. hopefully when its all said and done, gintani releases a well built kit tuned on the factory DME! competition is good...

[TaZaM3]

I recently saw the Gintani components/exhaust, etc. on Sev's car, IMHO the hardware is on par with HPF's, the welds on the exhaust, heat exchanger, piping are very well done, the manifold looks stellar, excellent craftsmanship. I also got a look at some of the other projects they are working on, I am impressed with their work and passion for BMW FI systems. :thumbsup:

Do you know who does the welding and fabrication for them?

[ImolaRed330Ci]

Do you know who does the welding and fabrication for them?

All the welding is done in house by Josh. Very skilled, very good at what he does.

[Sticky]

We all know that RMS is 100% capable of building a badass turbo setup.

Nobody told me...

I don't read the forums much, so I'm very interested in knowing. Heh, I'm kind of embarrassed not knowing about all these badass RMS turbos. Guys with RMS kits, why are you so quiet?

The 60-130, track, and dyno numbers must be insane considering no one has posted any. I'm sure if one did, HPF would just pack it up.

RMS certainly is 100% capable of building something and then sending it to someone else to complete.

I would have had RMS build me an SC, but considering the car already is at Gintani, no need to have RMS send it there later.

[MachRc]

Hey sticky, are you the www.germantechnik.com sticky? Just wonderin and nice ride! Friend of mine Calvin the e90 m3 owner and bmw tech swears by this gintani thing and how theyre blowing up on the map and stuff and hes quite excited even though im like who? But all this and sev's mliners car's completetion got me really looking foward to how this unravels. And their shop looks top notch!

[TaZaM3]

Nobody told me...

I don't read the forums much, so I'm very interested in knowing. Heh, I'm kind of embarrassed not knowing about all these badass RMS turbos. Guys with RMS kits, why are you so quiet?

The 60-130, track, and dyno numbers must be insane considering no one has posted any. I'm sure if one did, HPF would just pack it up.

RMS certainly is 100% capable of building something and then sending it to someone else to complete.

I would have had RMS build me an SC, but considering the car already is at Gintani, no need to have RMS send it there later.

Seriously, i dont understand where the concept of RMS being 100% capable of anything is true.

[mpower95]

:popcorn:

[SoCalTTZ06]

Seriously, i dont understand where the concept of RMS being 100% capable of anything is true.



ROFL !!! Check Mate! Good one TAZA .....

[Cruzer03]

Seriously, i dont understand where the concept of RMS being 100% capable of anything is true.

Interesting...:lmao:

[turboaddiction]

THATDONFC please post pics of the turbo hardware and jigs. :str8pimpi

[Sticky]

Hey sticky, are you the www.germantechnik.com sticky? Just wonderin and nice ride! Friend of mine Calvin the e90 m3 owner and bmw tech swears by this gintani thing and how theyre blowing up on the map and stuff and hes quite excited even though im like who? But all this and sev's mliners car's completetion got me really looking foward to how this unravels. And their shop looks top notch!
That is the problem, a lot of people are like "who?" and Gintani gets static from "internet experts." This video was designed to alleviate some of that from a guy who went around saying they have only done one car and are amateurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSinnuf_mL0

Gintani needs help with their web presence, no doubt, but Alex is the kind of guy who does not fight on the forums or post every detail he just does the work and lets the cars (and owners ;) ) do the talking.

Yes, I am that Sticky, the one and only :)

[finger123]

That is the problem, a lot of people are like "who?" and Gintani gets static from "internet experts." This video was designed to alleviate some of that from a guy who went around saying they have only done one car and are amateurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSinnuf_mL0

Gintani needs help with their web presence, no doubt, but Alex is the kind of guy who does not fight on the forums or post every detail he just does the work and lets the cars (and owners ;) ) do the talking.

Yes, I am that Sticky, the one and only :)

hmm.. very interesting. i've always learned that dont believe everything you hear on the internet so i was sure they were alot more capable than just the e9x systems. anyhow, do you have any information in regards to the SC kits for the E46 m3? like power levels. is it a air to water or air to air cooled system? pricing?

[Sticky]

hmm.. very interesting. i've always learned that dont believe everything you hear on the internet so i was sure they were alot more capable than just the e9x systems. anyhow, do you have any information in regards to the SC kits for the E46 m3? like power levels. is it a air to water or air to air cooled system? pricing?
Honestly, I haven't had an E46 for a long time so I don't pay attention to every option the way I used to. No reason I can't get you that info, as you can see you can even choose from turbo and SC. Also, they don't force you into cookie cutter kits, they have the general hardware and you customize it to fit your needs getting the proper result for your application. You are not pushed out early to make room for the next car to get the exact same thing as everyone else.

I believe that blue E36 has a built motor and is well over 500 wheel.... the stock internal numbers are obviously not near that.

[Ravij]

That is the problem, a lot of people are like "who?" and Gintani gets static from "internet experts." This video was designed to alleviate some of that from a guy who went around saying they have only done one car and are amateurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSinnuf_mL0

Gintani needs help with their web presence, no doubt, but Alex is the kind of guy who does not fight on the forums or post every detail he just does the work and lets the cars (and owners ;) ) do the talking.

Yes, I am that Sticky, the one and only :)


That looks like a RMS SC set-up/hardware? no?

Is Gintani doing the tuning?

http://www.racemarque.com/CatalogPages/products.html?series_id=23

[BadBoostedBmwM3]

OP, Im not calling BS to gintani or anything (I love what they are doing in the e9X market and it looks like they are starting in the e46 and e36 too)
BUT, wasn't AA the first to tune the factory DME with tony kanaan's car??

[Sticky]

That looks like a RMS SC set-up/hardware? no?

Is Gintani doing the tuning?

http://www.racemarque.com/CatalogPages/products.html?series_id=23
There may be a similarity due to the time frame of the E36. That is just speculation, I don't know. I do know other S50's and S52's in the shop are running Gintani hardware as well and the plenum and such is clearly Gintani if you look closely. I think a few companies are sharing that blower, similar to the E92's using Vortech setups. However, Osh was ruined for ruining cars and RMS is basically dead. Gintani has attempted to distance itself as far as possible from the whole RMS mess that seems to be like a black hole. Unfortunately, RMS has not moved to another city, or country. Although... with how much money Osh owes people it may be a good suggestion ;)

[Sticky]

OP, Im not calling BS to gintani or anything (I love what they are doing in the e9X market and it looks like they are starting in the e46 and e36 too)
BUT, wasn't AA the first to tune the factory DME with tony kanaan's car??
There was a nice little thread on that subject ;) It turns out it was tuned in conjunction with a stand alone, not the factory DME.

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There was a nice little thread on that subject ;) It turns out it was tuned in conjunction with a stand alone, not the factory DME.

Really?? So, it was just like taza's (Vik's) and HPF cars??? I was just looking for the thread... do you have a link??

I found this:http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=527953&highlight=tony

[BadBoostedBmwM3]

This topic has been beat to death, so I won't go into it too much. You know that this was Samir's deal. He had every say in the project more than you did. RMS wanted to do an air to liquid, Samir said no. He was at RMS every week for the first month having meetings with Osh about what should be done. RMS was building a production turbo kit for Samir. We all know that this is not something that happens over night.

You did pay some money towards the project. But you and I both know that what you paid barely covered the cost of the turbo and a few other parts RMS paid for. Oh, and if the exhaust manifold came off of Samir's turbo m3, why was the exhaust flange for an m52? I personally reworked that manifold to make if work on an s54. It's insulting that you are actually telling me I didn't. The manifold Samir brought to RMS was a beauty. But it wouldn't work for what we were doing. So I cut the flange off, machined a one piece flange out of steel on our CNC machines, reworked all the tubes to get them in the right position, and had to round them out because they were oval shaped. That was about a weeks work.

We all know that RMS is 100% capable of building a badass turbo setup. But these things take a lot of time and money. It's very difficult to work on something for free, especially when there are bills to be paid and other customers that need to be taken care of. But even though RMS was left to finish this project and pay out of pocket to complete it, it was almost done. I would say Mliners car was 3 days away from being finished. But all of that is besides the fact. I will say one thing Sevan, once Osh knew that Samir wasn't in the picture anymore, he should've brought you in and asked you what you would like to do because Samir had disappeared. This is where it all went wrong. The project to replicate everything should have ended and your car should have been finished as a one off turbo car.

How is your car coming along anyways? I stopped by Gintani the other day and saw it up in the air. Almost done? I'm sure you're going to be very happy with their work! :thumbsup:

-Chris

Chris, don't you work at RMS or he is a family member or something, right???