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Elvin_PR_328i 05-04-2014 05:59 PM

135i or 335 coupe ?
 
Hi guys I just got in the bmw world and I own an E46 2000 for the daily drive now I'm kind of looking for another bimmer and think getting rid of my old 2008 turbocharged lancer GTS makes me think about getting another turbo car but this time stock , now I'm between the 135i and the 335 coupe , which of the two would you Guys recommend ?


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Elvin_PR_328i 05-08-2014 07:32 AM

No comments?


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ramitchell 05-08-2014 10:44 AM

Guess it depends upon what you're looking for. The 1 series is a bit smaller and so prob easier to park. If you DIY, the 3 might be a little easier to work on and (I'm assuming) a larger trunk.

wildirish317 05-08-2014 11:09 AM

Yep, depends on what you want. The 135 will run circles around the 335. The 335 is a more comfortable car to ride in.

Elvin_PR_328i 05-08-2014 08:25 PM

We'll I've always wanted an Evo x so I guess that could be why I prefer more the 1series


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wildirish317 05-09-2014 06:50 AM

That makes sense.


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Elvin_PR_328i 05-09-2014 08:03 AM

The real problem here is the wife you see she likes the 3 but I see the 1 more sporty now I just tested both and love them both !


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wildirish317 05-09-2014 11:14 AM

Solution: Buy one of each.

erickonphoenix 05-09-2014 11:22 AM

the N54 turbo engines have a know issue in the waste gate linkage that will throw the car into limp mode. If your handy and you want to fix it yourself, the turbos are slightly easier to remove on the 335 vs the 135. Or if you can find a sub 83k mileage car the item may be warrantied. I personally like the 135 better but simply because it's faster.

zach1328 05-13-2014 11:29 AM

I was once considering a 335i until I test drove the 535. WOW!
I highly doubt a 135i will run circles around a 335i. The 335i weighs in at ~3500 pounds, the 135i comes it at a mere 100 pounds lighter at just under 3,400 pounds. My 535i weighs just under 3700 after I swapped out the awful Run Flat tires for lighter/sportier Michelin Pilot Super Sports.
Rotational mass affects the weight of a car much more than actual mass. The Super Sport tires weigh 4 pounds less in each corner, so that's a 16 lb weight loss from upgrading to these amazing tires. Anyways, 16 lbs of rotational mass is the equivalent of nearly 100 pounds of actual vehicle mass (meaning my 535i barely weighs more than a 335).
Needless to say, my 535i began running circles around 335i's. My point is, the 135/335/535 all have the same engine with the only differences being size and luxury. The weight differences are all minimal so the cars all handle very similarly. The cars are so similar that tires make a bigger difference than weight.
Get a 135i and keep the Run Flat tires...I will prove to you my point. Those run flats are such trashy tires that my 3700 pound 535i equipped with Michelins will out-handle your 1 series. After test driving the 535i I didn't even consider the 135/335.

wildirish317 05-14-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zach1328 (Post 16153451)
I highly doubt a 135i will run circles around a 335i.

There's more to running circles around another car than lbs/hp ratio. Compare the wheelbases, front/rear tracks as well.

135 wb = 104.7"; 535 wb = 116.9"
135 ft = 58.3"; 535 ft = 63"
135 rt = 59.6"; 535 rt = 64.1"

The 135's rear track width is 57% of the wheelbase. For the 535, it's 55%. Basically, the shorter, relatively wider stance gives the 135 more "toss-ability".

Compare the 135 to the E46 (wb = 107.3", ft = 57.9, 58.2 (coupe)); the rear track is 54% of the wheelbase.

Compare all of these with the Z4's 61% rt/wb ratio, and you begin to understand why the Z4 feels more like a go-kart.

On top of all of this, the suspension settings also come into play.

So Zach, while I might agree that your 535 handles better than most E46s, I doubt that, given similar tires and suspension, that it will handle better than a 135. (I didn't compare the 335, since you are touting your 535 so highly. I'll leave that for your rebuttal.) ;)

zach1328 05-14-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wildirish317 (Post 16156222)
So Zach, while I might agree that your 535 handles better than most E46s, I doubt that, given similar tires and suspension, that it will handle better than a 135. (I didn't compare the 335, since you are touting your 535 so highly. I'll leave that for your rebuttal.) ;)

I agree given the same suspension and tire setups the 135i will certainly out-handle my 535i. My point was the difference would be so minimal that better tires can make up for the lost handling due to additional size and weight.

However, given the same exact set-ups I think the difference between a 135i and 335i would hardly be noticeable. The difference in a 335i and 535i would also be minimal and not very noticeable. Going from a 135i to a 535i would certainly be a much bigger change and the 535i would likely feel sluggish around corners. :banghead:
I opted for the 535i because I wanted the best balance between comfort, luxury, and sportiness. I honestly feel that the 535i delivers in every aspect, and the 135/335 simply fall short. I love my 20-way adjustable sport seats. :drool:
For those who may not know, the Michelin Pilot Super Sports are the #1 ultra high performance street tires on the market.
My 535i began understeering around sharp corners at ~30mph with the stock run flats. I can now hit the same corners at 40+mph with the Michelin PSS tires. Unbelievable investment! :thumbsup: They're about $1500 for a staggered set-up on my 535i, so be prepared to pay up. The rears last about 18k miles and the fronts are at 31k miles (I expect to replace the fronts in the next 15,000 miles).

wildirish317 05-15-2014 07:46 AM

+1. This is exactly why BMW makes so many cars now, to tailor to a wider variety of tastes. I'm sure the 535 will run circles around similar sized cars of other makes. The Audi might be the exception.


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