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Ivegotissues666 09-13-2005 03:40 PM

DIY: Post-Cat O2 Sensors + Pre-Cat O2 Sensors
 
I thought I would share my experience with replacing my post cat O2 sensors in my 323i. Overall I felt it was fairly staright forward considering there is slim to none information regarding replacing the O2 sensors in the Bentley Manual. So I decided to put together this DIY for the e46fanatics members.

Tools/Parts Needed:

2 Post Cat O2 Sensors P/N: 11-78-1-433-940
Ramps or Jack Stands
Torque Wrench (I used a 1/2" drive with 3/8" adapters)
O2 Sensor Socket 22mm (I used both a really short one and long one, also I forgot to take picture of them but will shortly)
Open Ended 22mm Wrench
Small Flat Head screwdriver or Utility Knife
Long Flat Head screwdriver or equivilent
Torx Bit (Sorry I forgot which Size)

Installation Time: Approximately 2-3 Hours

Step1:

Put Car up on Ramps or Jack Stands (Ramps worked fine for me)

Step2:

Remove the cabin microfilter shown below by removing the 3 locking tabs

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Step 3:

Remove this peice that the cabing filter rest in (sorry can't remember the name of it). It has 4 Torx bolts(I forget What Size)

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Ivegotissues666 09-13-2005 03:40 PM

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Step 4:

Upon removing the torx bolts before removing this peice you must unclip the plastic trim peice that hold the + battery cable and wiring loom. Then you may remove the whole unit.

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Step 5:

Now you must remove the engine fuel rail cover on your right hand side. There are 2 caps that can be popped off by using a small flat head screwdriver to expose the 2 10mm Hex bolts that need to be removed.

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Ivegotissues666 09-13-2005 03:41 PM

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Step 6:

Once the fuel rail cover is removed locate the Post cat O2 sensor plugs (They are tucked in between 2 clips. You can follow the wires and notice they travel down to below the engine under the car (they are pretty long)

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Step 7:

Unplug both O2 sensors by using a small falthead screwdriver or a utility knife to undo the little clips on the plugs and sockets

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Step 8:

Work your way to under the car now and remove the under carriage peice that is held on by 6 phillips head screws (Note you dont have to remove your bumper well at least I dont think so anyways I removed mine because I was working on something else anyways.)

Ivegotissues666 09-13-2005 03:42 PM

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Step 9:

Once the undercarriage peice is removed now its time to locate your Post Cat O2 sensors. For me they they were pretty much directly directly to the right of my oil pan (I dont know if it the same for all e46 models)

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Step 10:

Now this is where the fun begins (Note: If attempting this you may want to first see if you can remove the O2 sensors first before performing the first 8 steps just so you dont waste your time trying to remove these only to realize you can't) The reason I say this is because these things are a royal pain to remove from them having a decent torque spec and to the fact that they are rusted and seized on as well. For the first one, the one more visible and easier to get to. I was able to use a short 3/8" O2 sensor socket and a 1/2' drive torque wrench w/ 3/8" adapter to remove the first one. Now for the second one all I have to say is good luck because literally this one probably took me an hour or more jus tto remove. I had to fiddle around with the second one from using an open ended 22mm wrench, a larger O2 sensor socket and some pivoting ratchets. But alas I finally did remove it, so just keep at it. Once you break them loose initially you can untighten them the rest of the way by hand. Just be patient there is barely any clearance to get your hands, tools and sockets in that area so just keep at it.

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Ivegotissues666 09-13-2005 03:43 PM

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Step 11:

Once both O2 sensors are removed you need to gently and carefully pull the wires from the sensors below the car. I did this just in case anything happend to my new O2 sensors that way I would just have back ups.

Step 12:

Now it is time to install the new O2 sensors(The installation is basically the reverse of remval except make sure to be careful that NO grease or oil or anti seize compund from the threads get onto the tip of the sensor. You can hand tighten them all the way (They will go in with barely any effort) and tighten them to the proper torque specs which are 37 ft-lb

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Step 13:

Note: Please be extremely carful when do this you dont want to pull/tear a wire off of the sensor. Once the New O2 sensors are installed and torqued to spec, it is now time to reroute the O2 sensor wiring up into the engine bay. What I did was used some 16 gauge wire that I had laying around and fished it to down under the car from the engine bay. Once I got the 16 gauge wiring to the bottom where the O2 sensor were I used some painters tape (It doesnt matter which tape you use I just had some blue painters tape available at the time) and I Taped both O2 sensor wires to the 16 gauge wiring. Using this method I was able to carefully and gently pull the O2 wiring back up to the engine bay. Note: there is a clip or two between where the O2 sensors are installed at the exhaust and where they ar plug into at the engine bay. I used a long screwdiver to gently push them back onto the clips. You can only see them from underneath the car.

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Step 14:

Once you have routed the wires to the engine bay it is now time to plug them back into their proper socket. The O2 sensor that was more visible and easier to remove on my car at least went to the plug socket closer to the oil filter, and the O2 sensor that was harder to remove and less visible from under the car went to the pug socket closest to where the cabin filter would be. I didnt know if they were interechangable or not so I just used the same socket housing that the old ones went to. Once you plug the Sensors back in make sure to put them back along the clips that you had uninstalled them from earlier in the previous step.

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Ivegotissues666 09-13-2005 03:44 PM

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Step 15:

Once the the O2 sensors are plug back in at there connectors and tucked into their clips it is now time to put everything back together. Everything is reverse of the removal process starting with the engine fuel rail cover. Then the unit with the 4 torx screws that holds the cabin microfilter. Now reinstall the cabin filter, and undercarriage and you are all set you have now just installed your own Post-Cat O2 sensors.

I just wanted to include one last thing which is about installing your own Pre-Cat O2 sensors which are much simpler and probably would only take you 30 minutes tops. Looking into your engine bay remove your left hand side engine cover and you can easily see where the Pre-Cat O2 sensors are installed. All you will have to do is remove the old ones install the new ones and route the wires which is a lot simpler than the Post-Cat Sensors. Here are some Pictures of where they are located I had done them a couple weeks earlier and didnt feel it was necessary to make a DIY for these for they are to simple.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../precat1O2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1.../precat2O2.jpg

Anyone questions or comments or anything perhaps I missed feel free to Post or PM ME

Thanks Jared

328idriver 09-13-2005 03:52 PM

great diy jared. thanks- click bookmark - Joe. :thanks:

Ivegotissues666 09-16-2005 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 328idriver
great diy jared. thanks- click bookmark - Joe. :thanks:

Thanks for the kind words at least somone appreciated this write up :)

ADA 09-16-2005 08:14 PM

excellent write up! we need more useful write up like yours!!

driftinsequence 09-17-2005 02:33 PM

great write up, btw, how long did the whole thing take you?

Ivegotissues666 09-17-2005 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftinsequence
great write up, btw, how long did the whole thing take you?

It probably took me 4 or 5 hours to do. But I was also changing my fuel filter and fixing a Power steering hose clamp at the same time. So I say I spent probably 2-3 hours on the Post-Cat O2 sensors taking everything apart and putting bacl together is a breeze it was just working in awkward positions in really tight spaces that made it take so long. If your not Hardcore about doing DIY work then I'd suggest taking it too a shop for it is time consuming and can become aggravating as well. Thanks everybody

dillard 11-07-2005 08:41 PM

Great write up. This is exactly what I was looking for.

One quick question, how many sensors are there total? My old Isuzu only had one.

My "Service Engine Soon" light is on so with 80K miles, I assume it's the O2 sensor.

Thanks

Ivegotissues666 11-11-2005 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dillard
Great write up. This is exactly what I was looking for.

One quick question, how many sensors are there total? My old Isuzu only had one.

My "Service Engine Soon" light is on so with 80K miles, I assume it's the O2 sensor.

Thanks

There are 4 O2 sensors in total.

2 Pre-cat located and easily accesible on the passenger side of the engine
2 Post-cat located underneath the car and are a real pain to get to (Well as least one of them)

If you have a O2 sensor problem most likely it would be the Pre-cats and I would change those out first. The Post-cats mainly deal with exhaust emissions so I wouldn't go replacing those unless one was faulty, or you failed emissions do to an O2 sensor problem.

But before you dive into this either get yourself a code reader or go to a shop to get the code read for free to determine if it is O2 related or not. For these sensors are a bit expensive I paid $90 each Pre-Cat and about $120 for each Post-cat.

So make sure you know the problem is before you just go dropping money on stuff like this.

Jared

EIAlfonso 11-20-2005 08:02 PM

BMW recommends you change the O2 sensors at 100K , which to me means no later than 85K, are they saying you should change all four ?

Ivegotissues666 11-21-2005 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EIAlfonso
BMW recommends you change the O2 sensors at 100K , which to me means no later than 85K, are they saying you should change all four ?

Thats their recommendation. I did this just as preventative maintenance and I only ave about 56,000 miles now and did these about 3,000 miles ago. Most likely the Pre-cats will go before the Post-cats.

trickydik_1 11-21-2005 10:08 AM

thanks
 
nice right up.........I have to do this myself

Alex 11-21-2005 10:49 AM

Fantastic, I'll keep this thread with my other favorites in case I need it.

Thanx.

everclr780 04-03-2006 07:18 AM

Pre-cat oxygen sensor Bank 1 Sensor 1 DIY?
 
I see that this DIY is for the postcat and passenger side pre-cat oxygen sensor.
my error code is P0135 O2 Sensor Heater Circuit Malfunction (Bank 1 Sensor 1)
My question is, is the passenger side pre-cat oxygen sensor Bank 1 Sensor 2? I've searched for the above error code but could only pull up two threads or so, none of which mention changing another side. Is the Bank 1 Sensor 1 Oxygen sensor just located at the same position but other side of the engine?
It seems to me alot of people have probs with P0136 - Bank 1 Sensor 2 - which is the passenger side I think. Am I getting all of this right? just trying to get the CEL to turn off :)
Thanks for any help in advance!
-Kenny

everclr780 04-03-2006 12:18 PM

nevermind, i saw there are two oxygen sensors located on the left engine side, does anyone know which one is Sensor 1 and Sensor 2? Or do you guys think I should just swap them both out?

Ivegotissues666 04-03-2006 03:22 PM

How many miles are on your 99'? If your close to 100,000 miles thats when 02 sensors are recommended to be replaced so I would swap them out if your at or around that. The ones in the engine ae Pre-cat O2 sensors BTW.

Jared


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