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scottn2retro 06-12-2006 06:39 PM

e46 Rear sub-frame tear issue
 
Hi All -

We knew racing the car we'd have to do this - not even an option - and sooner rather than later. We figured right . . .

What we'll be putting in the car: Turner Subframe Re-inforcement kit, some prepared class legal TMS solid rear subframe bushings, new RTABs, and from Rob and Dale at MPACT, some RTAB bushings and the new prepared class legal rear control arms.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/dat...icture_142.jpg

So you want to do the rear subframe re-inforcement project? Well, the rear diff., exhaust and gas tank need to come out. I took the opportunity to hit the gas tank with a little Simple Green (after covering all the openings). Note: it is a good idea, if you know you'll be doing this, to try and have as little gas in the tank as possible.
(as usual, hi res can be found in my photo gallery)
http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/dat...icture_141.jpg

Then we hauled the car to BMS, where they pulled the rear sub-frame out.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/dat...icture_146.jpg

Result of inspection after 3 race events: One tear starting in the rear subfloor (passenger side), rear sub-frame bushings starting to tear, and RTABs shot. Below, you can see the tear which Herm had already welded and primed by the time I got there. It's the way line in light gray in the lower center part of the picture.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/dat...icture_143.jpg

Herm of BMS working on reinforcing the rear sub-frame area
http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/dat...icture_145.jpg

A part of the TMS reinforcement kit installed (sorry for being blurry)
http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/dat...icture_144.jpg

M_Thrizzle 06-12-2006 07:15 PM

I hear a lot of clunking from my car on clutch-in's and shifting. I need to prop up my car and check it out if it's torn. I hope not!!

HighBoostin330 06-12-2006 08:33 PM

How much does the rear subframe reinforcement by BMS cost including parts from Turner?

scottn2retro 06-12-2006 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAed330
How much does the rear subframe reinforcement by BMS cost including parts from Turner?


kit from Turner is like $150. But while all that stuff is down, may want to change RTABs and rear sub frame bushings.

I can get a quote from BMS on what they would charge for a complete customer drive up/drop off/drive away job.

HighBoostin330 06-12-2006 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottn2retro
kit from Turner is like $150. But while all that stuff is down, may want to change RTABs and rear sub frame bushings.

I can get a quote from BMS on what they would charge for a complete customer drive up/drop off/drive away job.

Currently, I have the Powerflex RTABs and could not find a rear sub frame bushing that was not solid.

A quote would be nice! :hi:

scottn2retro 06-13-2006 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAed330
Currently, I have the Powerflex RTABs and could not find a rear sub frame bushing that was not solid.

A quote would be nice! :hi:

Powerflex does not make a rear sub frame bushing? Turner has 2 versions, but they are both pretty much solid (one version has Delrin insert).

HighBoostin330 06-13-2006 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottn2retro
Powerflex does not make a rear sub frame bushing? Turner has 2 versions, but they are both pretty much solid (one version has Delrin insert).

Not when I was ordering. It would be great though! :)

Bm3238u 06-13-2006 08:49 AM

I live in Australia and i just had my reinforcment kit by TMS delivered today.But i only do 1/4 mile racing once a week.i will be putting street radials on so in order for the tyres to have maximum traction as we all know you must do a burnout to warm the tyres up.Doing a burnout i dont want to leave my ass-end behind,hence the subframe reinforcment kit.How long did the install take?.Does PowerFlex make subframe bushings good for daily drivers?I also have been looking for a while now but have been unlucky as TMS only have solid ones as ASAed was saying which are not suitable for daily drivers.Also while on the topic of subframes,i am in the **** trying to figure out what i would need to change on the rear end for best launch and go.Subframe bushings,RTAB,diff mounts,tranny mounts,rear shock mount etc,etc?opinions and ideas would be greatly appreciated.Also,do you think the subframe kit could handle a 5000 rpm launch?:thumbup:

Mr Paddle.Shift 06-13-2006 01:11 PM

Seriously pple...I don't know why the fixation with stiffening up your daily ride. Everytime you stiffen up part of the suspension or frame, you direct the force to somewhere else. This is just plain common sense. The energy has to be dissipated somewhere.

Rubber bushings are there to absorb the energy.

Unless you're tracking...in which case Scott's race car is, stay away from exotic delrin or aluminium bushings for daily rides. :rolleyes:

scottn2retro 06-13-2006 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAed330
How much does the rear subframe reinforcement by BMS cost including parts from Turner?

Chris at BMS (714) 429-0257 said the work is $2500 plus the kit (about $150)

scottn2retro 06-13-2006 07:30 PM

One good thing we did notice when the sub-frame was down was that the RTAB buckets on the e46 M3 are much better designed than on the e36 M3. They were going to reinforce them like they do on the e36 cars and realized they wouldn't need to. (Dang, I should have gotten a pic while the RTAB was out of there).

scottn2retro 06-14-2006 01:51 AM

Solid rear sub-frame bushing installed. Part of the reinforcement repair is above it.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/dat...icture_149.jpg

vaio76109 06-14-2006 01:55 AM

Just curious, what did you paint/coat the newly welded on reinforcement with?

scottn2retro 06-16-2006 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaio76109
Just curious, what did you paint/coat the newly welded on reinforcement with?

I'll have to ask what he used on the bottom, but it's some kind of primer/rust resistant paint.

On the inside of the trunk, we'll use some primer and then the Imola red without the clearcoat. Here is what the repair looks like on the trunk side
http://www.bimmerfest.com/photos/dat...icture_150.jpg

Driver08 12-27-2012 05:54 PM

subframe bushings
 
Does anyone have an opinion on the benefits of using solid subframe bushings without the reinforcement kit. One school of thought is that the rubber bushings allow the subframe to "wind up" and put undo stress on the chassis mounting points. The other school of thought is that the softer mounts help protect the chassis from tearing. Besides the depth (cost) of installation I can't install the TMS reinforcement kit without negating my warranty but the bushings would likely go unnoticed. I'm a long time autocrosser and track day participant in my E30 and I keep reading things that make me think I bought a chassis made of craft paper in the E46. I plan to install the front strut tower reinforcement plates as well as rear shock mounts as preventative maintenance along a modified CDV valve for better feel. The E30 will still be the toss-around car but I'd like to think that once I can get and LSD in the E46 I will be able to have some fun with it without constantly worrying about suffering a failure. Mine is a later version ('04, ZHP package) and from what i've read the chassis tear is quite less common at this point. I guess I'm fishing for some reassurance as well as information. Thanks.


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