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kpeng 12-13-2007 05:42 PM

**3.91 Diff Swap: Everything you need to know!!!**
 
ALPIN3 inspired me to do a 3.91 diff swap (from a BMW X3) after he did it on his 323i. Having a steptronic, my stock diff is a 3.38 ratio so this is the only gear ratio high enough for me to justify a swap. As far as I know, he was the first person to do this. But I believe I'm the first to do it on a 330. Being kpeng, I have to always continue doing things never done before to our cars :craig:. I'll admit I went into this semi-blind, and I wish I did more research, but I hope to pass my learning on to you guys. So here goes...all the info that I can give you guys from my install.

Thanks to a couple great friends in Jeremysmith1967, and our friend Nile, I was able to install a diff despite being mechanically retarded. So here goes.

I ordered a 3.91 diff off an X3 that I found on www.car-part.com

It had 25,000 miles on it and cost me $450 shipped.

Here is the differential, it is noticeably smaller than the stock differential, but no worries, all of the mounting points line up and the diff goes in without any problems. That's because the X3 has the same subframe as our cars.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...f/IMG_3509.jpg

Now...the difficulties begin. First the minor problem...the output flanges on the X3 differential are a bit smaller for some reason. That is no big deal, as we just swapped the output flanges from the stock differential onto it. They pop right out with a few swift blows from a rubber mallet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...f/IMG_3510.jpg

The biggest problem came next. As we tried to connect the driveshaft to the new differential, the driveshaft was actually too short, and wouldn't reach the diff input.

Upon further research, we found out that the 330 was the ONLY E46 to use a different driveshaft design. It was a 6 bolt CV joint attachment to the differential, opposed to the 4 bolt conventional U-joint attachment on every other E46. I have no idea why BMW did this, but it's completely arbitrary. As you can see here, the difference is huge.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...Untitled-1.jpg

This was a problem, because the design of the driveshaft was completely different. The driveshaft on the 330 was not nearly as adjustable as the other E46 driveshafts. That means, we tried to loosen up the connection between the two halves, and stretch it out (it's a spline) to no avail.

My only choice at this point was to buy a driveshaft off of another E46, to be safe since ALPIN3 already did it on his 323, I bought one off of just that. $80 shipped to me from once again, www.car-part.com

As you can see, the 323 driveshaft is a 4-bolt connection and is longer from the factory.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...f/IMG_3602.jpg

We adjusted the 323 driveshaft and elongated it just a bit. You can do so by loosening the highlighted cover and pulling the two halves apart. There is plenty of room to do so, we pulled it out an extra inch with no problems. But just to be safe, mark each end with a sharpie.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...f/IMG_3605.jpg

After that, everything bolted right up with no problems. Took the car out for a spin, and it made a world of a DIFFerence. Get it? Ha...ha...ha...

Car revs faster, and I def. accelerate with more "umph". I drove it in both manual mode and regular mode, and the car has no problems with downshifting or anything computer-related as we once feared. The only thing was, during the first test drive, the computer would freak out and shift at 5000 RPM. After doing the computer reset trick with the key, the problem went away, and the car shifted perfectly.

I will take a video of the speedometer while accelerating, tomorrow, when there is sunlight out.

For now, here are the important points.

-A 3.91 from an X3 will fit the E46 with NO problems whatsoever.
-Output flanges will have to be swapped as the X3 has smaller ones.
-Input flange will not have to be swapped.
-330's will need a new driveshaft off of any other E46.
-If you have a 330 and you swap a Non-330 driveshaft on, you WILL need new bolts to attach the driveshaft to the diff. You'll need 4, BMW part#: 26111229536



Any more technical questions will gladly be answered by Jeremysmith1967, or me if I know what I'm talking about.

Important links-
www.car-part.com
www.bokchoys.com/differential

Hope this helps you guys!

-Ken :4ngie:

Rayce185 12-13-2007 05:53 PM

Wicked :thumbsup:

theribdoctor 12-13-2007 06:13 PM

nice work, but don't forget, poutine.

mcr_driver 12-13-2007 06:16 PM

thank god someone did this i was almost gonna be the guinea pig to do this lol. thank you a lot for the great write up :thumbsup: props to you let me know how the tests go. i'm wondering if this might be a issue as i'm pushing the limits of my auto tranny with a s/c. this might be a stupid question but does changing the diff. change how much torque goes to the tranny? or did i just miss the point entirely as i'm not 100% smart at tranny's and diffs. could someone elaborate please??last note which key trick are you referring to?

Activ3 12-13-2007 06:17 PM

Nice Ken!

kpeng 12-13-2007 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcr_driver (Post 7070025)
thank god someone did this i was almost gonna be the guinea pig to do this lol. thank you a lot for the great write up :thumbsup: props to you let me know how the tests go. i'm wondering if this might be a issue as i'm pushing the limits of my auto tranny with a s/c. this might be a stupid question but does changing the diff. change how much torque goes to the tranny? or did i just miss the point entirely as i'm not 100% smart at tranny's and diffs. could someone elaborate please??last note which key trick are you referring to?

I think you will be ok. If I understand correctly, I don't think this changes how much torque you have, but it changes WHEN you get it. The taller the gearing (higher number), the more low end you have and the less top end you'll have.

Shinobi 12-13-2007 06:32 PM

Interesting...you have a 6-speed auto right? What's your RPMs at ~80mph or so? And do you even get to 60mph in 2nd gear? I've got a 3.64 and I only get to 64mph now where it used to be 72mph with my 3.38. I would think you'd have to shift to 3rd to get to 60 now.

kpeng 12-13-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinobi (Post 7070141)
Interesting...you have a 6-speed auto right? What's your RPMs at ~80mph or so? And do you even get to 60mph in 2nd gear? I've got a 3.64 and I only get to 64mph now where it used to be 72mph with my 3.38. I would think you'd have to shift to 3rd to get to 60 now.

Hey Albert...I have a 5-speed auto. I'm not sure on the RPM/MPH right now, but I'll tell you either tonight or tomorrow when I get a chance to take it out for a spin.

budweiser505 12-13-2007 06:35 PM

Awesome writeup im definitely gonna be needing it! thxxxxx

Shinobi 12-13-2007 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpeng (Post 7070154)
Hey Albert...I have a 5-speed auto. I'm not sure on the RPM/MPH right now, but I'll tell you either tonight or tomorrow when I get a chance to take it out for a spin.

Cool. Very interesting work and kudos to you for having the cajones to try it :bow:, but the delay in our automatics is significant enough that I think adding another shift will increase your 0-60 times and offset any accelerations gains from the gearing change. You're not supercharged are you? Well, I'm interested to see how this works out for ya :thumbsup:.

Oh, what's your wheel setup again? In terms of diameter, width and weight? and what about your tire sizes?

kpeng 12-13-2007 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinobi (Post 7070204)
Cool. Very interesting work and kudos to you for having the cajones to try it :bow:, but the delay in our automatics is significant enough that I think adding another shift will increase your 0-60 times and offset any accelerations gains from the gearing change. You're not supercharged are you? Well, I'm interested to see how this works out for ya :thumbsup:.

Nah, I'm too poor for a supercharger, lol. I actually don't think the extra shift really affects it enough to nullify any gains from the gearing change. I def. felt faster when I took it out today. Like I mentioned earlier, I'll get some video footage of the acceleration as soon as I get the chance.

kpeng 12-13-2007 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinobi (Post 7070204)
Oh, what's your wheel setup again? In terms of diameter, width and weight? and what about your tire sizes?

19x8 DPEs. With the tires, I think each wheel weighs about 48 lbs. 235/35/19 tires all around.

eek142 12-13-2007 06:47 PM

Awesome writeup. Thanks for trying this out and giving us some info. Can't wait for the vid.

shady3one3 12-13-2007 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpeng (Post 7070054)
The taller the gearing (higher number), the more low end you have and the less top end you'll have.

higher # = SHORTER gears

kpeng 12-13-2007 06:58 PM

Right...I wasn't saying that the gears were longer.

shady3one3 12-13-2007 07:00 PM

Ok, let me be more obvious.

What you should have said is,

"The shorter the gearing (higher number), the more low end you have and the less top end you'll have."

kpeng 12-13-2007 07:05 PM

Ok, my mistake. Moving on now.

kpeng 12-13-2007 07:18 PM

Shinobi, I just took it out for a quick spin.

1st ends at ~26 mph
2nd ends at ~50 mph
3rd ends at ~70 mph

AdamBath 12-13-2007 07:25 PM

your driveshaft looks so different from my 330's driveshaft... though that could be because my car was bastardized with the rear subframe of a 323...

shady3one3 12-13-2007 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpeng (Post 7070458)
Shinobi, I just took it out for a quick spin.

1st ends at ~26 mph
2nd ends at ~50 mph
3rd ends at ~70 mph

I hope someone else is paying for your gas.


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