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dakotadriver 02-10-2009 09:22 PM

P0014 and P0015 Codes
 
2003 325 xiT with 62,000 miles:

The SES light came on tonight. I borrowed a code reader from autozone and pulled the following codes:

P0014 and P0015. They seem to point to cam timing. My first thought was cam sensor but I don't want to throw parts at it.

The codes seem to conflict with eachother because the 0014 reads timing over advanced and 0015 is timing over retarded.


Also, it is idling about 100 to 200 RPM above normal. Has anyone else seen this before?

Thanks,

Mark

baller2000 05-23-2009 02:14 PM

have you resolved this? I'm having the same code P0015 only, with BMW fault code 28BC - camshaft bank 1 stiff. would like to know your fix. thanks.

BMWh0r3 05-23-2009 02:24 PM

its the sensors. had the codes pop up in my car. bank 1 is intake side and bank 2 is exhaust. good luck.



edit: get oem sensors. from what i've read, the aftermarket ones last one day or 3 months. in other words, they suck

jbeurotech 05-23-2009 09:36 PM

We installed a vanos seal kit to resolve his issue. He brought the car to us.

brandonbigdog 11-24-2009 02:35 PM

im getting the same codes, p0014 and p0015. I replaced the Intake CPS and nothing has changed. Any ideas?

ferrarix99 11-24-2009 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonbigdog (Post 10943116)
im getting the same codes, p0014 and p0015. I replaced the Intake CPS and nothing has changed. Any ideas?

see post 4 :thanks:

brandonbigdog 11-24-2009 03:12 PM

vanos seals it is then

Rotha 11-24-2009 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbeurotech (Post 10010149)
We installed a vanos seal kit to resolve his issue. He brought the car to us.

that makes sense.

AlpWhitE46 04-29-2010 10:04 PM

Sorry to bring up an old thread but i got this about a month ago... i still drove the car around...

Keeping in mind that from about a year ago..i've had 2 experiences where the car would not start (it would turn all fine just not start...and i kept holding the key it and somehow it turned on)..

There has also been instances where the car would start but had really rough idle or died (its happened but ... also not often) <--- this seems like vanos seal problem

Today however, my car won't start with anything i tried, even tried jump starting it for fun.

I read from the computer those 2 codes...
I highly doubt my car wont turn on because of vanos... Is it high probably in my case it is the Intake camshaft sensor?

Starless 04-29-2010 11:09 PM

P0015: Camshaft Position, Act B - bank 1, timing over retard
P0014: Camshaft Position, Act B - bank 1, timing over advanc.


If it's a sensor, it's gonna be a EXHAUST one and not the intake. "Bank 1" in the code does not mean "intake", it means Cyl 1-3, Actuator means VANOS, "A" means intake, "B" means exhaust. So, the problem is on the exhaust side. If it's a sensor it's the camshaft exhaust sensor. This is per Rajaie. I initially thought it would be intake sensor myself.

My car ran ok with these 2 codes, not perfect but ok. The fact that yours does not start at all baffles me. The codes went immediately away after I replaced the seals. See my P0014 and P0015 write-up here (esp. posts #6 and # 8):

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ighlight=p0014

AlpWhitE46 04-30-2010 08:15 AM

Thanks for that :)

I just really don't see the car not starting due to the seals...it has to be the sensor!

But after that I'm getting the seals!

So i guess i will order the exhaust one

AlpWhitE46 04-30-2010 08:29 AM

Hey I wanted to pick up the sensors from this site..

http://germanparts.ca/catalog.html

Do you guys think its ok, they are reputable here.

However the part is not OEM, but they are aftermarket german quality sensors..?

Starless 04-30-2010 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlpWhitE46 (Post 11679816)
Thanks for that :)

I just really don't see the car not starting due to the seals...it has to be the sensor!

But after that I'm getting the seals!

So i guess i will order the exhaust one

Rajaie convinced me that with these code the problem was on the exhaust side. Some people though believe that Bank 1 in the code means intake (more by analogy with other codes). I know it can be confusing. Do your own research and make a decision. I personally would go with the exhaust one.

Also before you spend money on the sensor you might wanna check with a mechanic or other knowledgeble members here if it's at all possible for the car not to start because of the sensor. My understanding was that the bad sensor would cause rough idle or something along those lines...

Sometimes it's a coincidence. It could be that the codes have nothing to do with the fact that the car does not start. I'd look into the fuel pump in this situation. It's like in my bimmerfest thread that I gave you a link to a guy was thinking that his rough idle was caused by these two codes and it came out that his spark plugs were the culprit of that...

When you put the key in ignition two position you shoud hear the hissing sound of the fuel pump building pressure for a couple of seconds. If it's not happening look into further fuel pump diagnostics.

Good luck!

Edit: buy ONLY genuine bmw sensor. Tisher would be the best vendor for that from my point of view :-)

AlpWhitE46 04-30-2010 08:48 AM

Ok thanks, I think these guys are fine.

I'm buying both sensors... Bmw quoted 216$ CDN for each sensor!
F THAT


These are 70$ each... and ill get o-rings too.

Just going to replace both i guess. I hear hissing perfectly fine, it should not be the fuel pump

jdstrickland 04-30-2010 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dakotadriver (Post 9386975)
2003 325 xiT with 62,000 miles:

The SES light came on tonight. I borrowed a code reader from autozone and pulled the following codes:

P0014 and P0015. They seem to point to cam timing. My first thought was cam sensor but I don't want to throw parts at it.

The codes seem to conflict with eachother because the 0014 reads timing over advanced and 0015 is timing over retarded.


Also, it is idling about 100 to 200 RPM above normal. Has anyone else seen this before?

Thanks,

Mark

According to this link, http://www.aa1car.com/trouble-codes/codes_99.htm, those two codes conflict with one another.

I'm not certain what Camshaft B Positiion is, but it can't be both advanced and retarded at the same time unless the sensor that is making the report is having it's own issues.

mujjuman 04-30-2010 02:48 PM

Wow that's crazy

AlpWhitE46 04-30-2010 03:32 PM

I bought the intake and exhaust one i will change them and let you know if car works :)

jdstrickland 04-30-2010 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlpWhitE46 (Post 11681505)
I bought the intake and exhaust one i will change them and let you know if car works :)

Why replace them both? Only one is reporting an error.

AlpWhitE46 04-30-2010 08:42 PM

If i'm doing one, I might as well do the other.

I'm at 150,000 KM...its about time?

AlpWhitE46 05-02-2010 09:58 AM

Ah i give up.
I put in the exhaust one (mind you the tip is a bit thicker on this after market sensor)
But it fit fine... I couldn't get to the intake one because of the 32mm that i didn't have.

Car did not start.
So next would be the intake one, but i think i'm just going to tow the car.

edit: i just did intake one too, car still won't start lol
Going to get the mechanic to bring me computer to reset ECU?
See if that will do anything/bring up same code?


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