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lacrosseguy017 03-06-2009 11:02 PM

installing headers, any last regards?
 
tomorrow, saturday, i'm going to start and hopefully finish the ebay header install for my car and i was just wondering if anyone had any last words of advice to offer up before i get too involved and remember that i should have just asked you all.

so any advice?
any really would be great.

i've already been told to get my hands on OEM gaskets before install so i have the correct ones but clarity was never brought to my question about that. my question was, I received gaskets with the headers, so are these the ones i need or are you all saying that these will be worthless and that i need to get factory gastkets?


thanks in advance.

Autobot325i 03-06-2009 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacrosseguy017 (Post 9534329)
tomorrow, saturday, i'm going to start and hopefully finish the ebay header install for my car and i was just wondering if anyone had any last words of advice to offer up before i get too involved and remember that i should have just asked you all.

so any advice?
any really would be great.

i've already been told to get my hands on OEM gaskets before install so i have the correct ones but clarity was never brought to my question about that. my question was, I received gaskets with the headers, so are these the ones i need or are you all saying that these will be worthless and that i need to get factory gastkets?


thanks in advance.


make sure you have various size 11mm sockets long and short..different range of extensions.
have a 11mm open & closed socket

each bolt requires a different style...to get that damn thing off

i've done ebay headers 3 times already. and I learned that all nuts can be accessed from the bottom, no need to remove any from the top of the engine bay. so no need to take off the secondary air pump.

make sure you have a small price of wood to jack the engine up so you can remove the engine mount. distribute the load so the jack is not digging into the engine.

lossen up the exhaust so it has room to move back when taking off the oem headers.

thats pretty much the pointers i can give you...just finised one last night for another fanatic

also if you can get shorter bolts for the header end to exhasut...do so, i personally think the ones it ships with is wayyy to long.



:4ngie:

lacrosseguy017 03-06-2009 11:53 PM

sweet, thanks. i'll be using my dad's garage which pretty much has every tool imaginable, lol, but also it has a scissor lift, so i'm already thinking about only using it to jack the car up a little bit because i know supporting the engine with a jack cant be done when lifted high up but also i know that kind of lift will limit my accessibility to stuff like the exhaust.

whats your opinion on the gaskets that come with the headers though? good? bad?

thanks again

BMW_Stu 03-06-2009 11:59 PM

someone just made a thread like this not too long ago, http://www.coolpl8z.com/pl8z/final/c...20gin%20ya.jpg

i was hoping to have had mine done by now but i had to send them back cuz i got the wrong ones. I definatly wanna come check yours out when youre done. U comin to laurel right?

Autobot325i 03-07-2009 12:00 AM

believe or not i have use the gaskets for another reason...and they suck! get OEM most people will agree to that

lacrosseguy017 03-07-2009 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afrothunderr86 (Post 9534529)
someone just made a thread like this not too long ago, http://www.coolpl8z.com/pl8z/final/c...20gin%20ya.jpg

i was hoping to have had mine done by now but i had to send them back cuz i got the wrong ones. I definatly wanna come check yours out when youre done. U comin to laurel right?

yeah, im definitely trying to come over to that meet. so when i get there, i'll just show up with my red angel eyes on so if you see that you'll know its me.

lacrosseguy017 03-07-2009 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autobot325i (Post 9534534)
believe or not i have use the gaskets for another reason...and they suck! get OEM most people will agree to that

damn, alright, i'll have to see if i can get some of those tomorrow morning before i start doing anything. also i'll have to use a different car to do that otherwise the engine will be too hot, ha.

lacrosseguy017 03-08-2009 12:55 AM

hey, i finally got done installing the headers today with the help of my friend and my dad and it took some time but the ones i got actually had built in spark plug defoulers for the o2 sensors so it worked fine. we had problems getting one o2 sensor in so im only running on 3 outa 4 so i have the CEL on right now, but we are going to fix that by welding in another inlet for the o2 because there area that it is in doesnt have enough area.

other than that everything went pretty smoothly, it was just time consuming.

mdsonicTT 03-08-2009 01:12 AM

with all respect, what Rob Levinson @ UUC said :thanks:

BMW_Stu 03-08-2009 03:14 AM

:excited:awesome! lets get that sould clip now. did u hit any major snags, did u do everything from the bottom or dod u remove the air pump and cabin filter ducting. does the car feel any different? I hope these guys send the correct headers back to me soon.

eric_waltrip 03-08-2009 03:17 AM

how is it? does it feel quicker? how loud etc. ?

juslookin 03-08-2009 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autobot325i (Post 9534474)
make sure you have various size 11mm sockets long and short..different range of extensions.
have a 11mm open & closed socket

each bolt requires a different style...to get that damn thing off

i've done ebay headers 3 times already. and I learned that all nuts can be accessed from the bottom, no need to remove any from the top of the engine bay. so no need to take off the secondary air pump.

make sure you have a small price of wood to jack the engine up so you can remove the engine mount. distribute the load so the jack is not digging into the engine.

lossen up the exhaust so it has room to move back when taking off the oem headers.

thats pretty much the pointers i can give you...just finised one last night for another fanatic

also if you can get shorter bolts for the header end to exhasut...do so, i personally think the ones it ships with is wayyy to long.



:4ngie:

how much you charge people to put headers in??

cmajor009 03-08-2009 06:20 PM

im gonna attempt to do this too myself but how hard was it and how many people do u recomend to help out

lacrosseguy017 03-09-2009 09:48 PM

it really was not that hard, just takes time and a little bit of patience. but including me, there was 3 people working to get the headers off, but to put them back on, only two, but i'd really only recommend two because three just starts getting too crowded and one person ends up not really doing anything except getting in the way. but make sure your accomplice is somewhat skilled to and knows tools at least so that way you are not basically doing this yourself.

BMW_Matt 03-09-2009 11:15 PM

How does it feel/sound?

iwannagofast 03-10-2009 12:13 AM

how long man... ive had my headers sitting in my closet powder coated for a couple months and i finally going to do it wed morning... i have work at 7 at night though so im going to start at like 10 am i should finish in time... im not a retard at mechanics... ia lso will have 2 knowledgeable friends with me and also a cherry picker(engine lift)

Autobot325i 03-10-2009 12:15 AM

just fyi...if you plan onm doing this task dont give yourself a time frame like that.

you can never tell...

Superhiro 03-10-2009 09:02 AM

How are you liking the sound? Got any sound clips? I'm not sure I like the sound of mine... :(

http://e46fanatics.com/forum/showthr...13#post9553013

lacrosseguy017 03-10-2009 10:59 AM

Matt & Superhiro,
honestly, there isnt too much of a difference in the sound, but at take off and low speeds i tend to be able to hear it better, but no, no sound clips considering there really isnt too much of a difference. but the headers combined with my intake make for a noticeable change.

Iwannagofast,
as autobot said, try not to give yourself a time frame. but honestly, it took me a total of 11 hours to get mine installed but the was an hour in there for dinner then another hour to take my friends girlfriend home and to stop by his house so he could get a few things and then about another half hour in there for when i had to go to home depot to get bolts for the exhaust. the bolts that connected the original manifold to the exhaust flanges (or whatever that little area at the end of the headers is called) would not fit into the new headers so i had to go out and by 4 1/2"x1.25"x40mm bolts and matching nuts. I believe those are the right dimensions, i know it is definitely a 1/2" bolt though, length and threading is really up to you. So i guess you could say that it really took me about 8.5 hours, but that was with taking my time. so if you and your accomplices stay on task and just try to get it done, you should be able to finish in your time frame, I would just recommend, like autobot, that you not subject yourself to a time frame.
Also, there really was no need for a cherry picker, you just need a lift if you can get to one or at least a jack and stands then a jack with a 2x4 that is at least 12-18" in length to support the engine. remember that you will only be removing the passenger side engine mount so that leaves the driver side in so that will give some extra support along with the jack and 2x4.

good luck.

iwannagofast 03-10-2009 03:43 PM

well tomorrow morning is the big day, im gonna say fuk work and im going to try and do it lol... we have a couple jacks... ramps... all tools will hopefully come through waiting o my friends word(hes at work now) but 90 % we will have all the tools we will need.... i have the spark plug defoulers. oem gaskets.... i dont know what else do you guys think ill need... the headers i got came with bolts for the exhaust flanges so i doubt i will have to go out and buy them... but just in case lacrosseguy017 if you see this would you go back tonight and double check non the size bolts you had to buy... theres a home depot 2 min away in case... of course ill be taking pics n everything of install for you guys


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