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adrian320 05-17-2009 01:58 AM

Complete M3 OEM Mirror Retrofit DIY for e46 Sedan
 
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I felt there was still room in the M3 Sedan mirror retrofit DIYs for a more complete DIY.

I had purchase the M3 Mirrors several months ago, but didn't make the time to install them earlier.

Since my car is 2002 model, no problem about the ribbon wires used in the latter models. And since I didn't want to have autofold mirrors that made everything a little simpler.

As you know with any other DIY your proceeding at your own and sole risk, I'm not liable for anything. :)

Part 1 - Remove the stock mirrors.

Firs stop, read the e46fanatics Hagus sedan mirror install. HereHere

There you read that you have to remove two little black plugs that hold the black trim that actually covers the sail panel and the tweeter location.

The one thing that I wanted to add to this instructions were the pics of the metallic clip.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242536736

Before you start lower your window fully, cause in the final steps for removing the trim you need the window down.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242536736

Also, I have included several pics of how the trim looks partially removed from the car so you can see how to better remove it. Look at the edge in this next pic, this edge goes between a rubber seal and the window, that is why it is important to lower the window.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242536736
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242536736

After that, removing the mirror is really straight forward, just remove the filler behind the tweeter and unscrew the 3 screws holding the mirror. Torx 30.

Thats the end of part 1.


Part 2 - Modifying the bases for proper fitment.

As you probably know, the M3 mirror base is a smaller triangle than the stock base. So the leveling and fitment is key to a good installation. On the pro side the hypotenuse of the triangle base is a perfect guide to get a leveled and aligned mirror base.

In my particular case, I read, and marked both bases following the mighty famous Rouge Engineering DIY for the base modification.

But after marking the bases I didn't directly go out and grind the bases as suggested, instead I try fitting the bases before grinding down anything.

The fist thing I did was make a small cut or indentation to the base about 2.5mm, as seen here.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242536736
This indentation allowed me to better position the mirror to the metal lip that shows up when you remove the stock mirrors.

What I found out after that is that I needed to cut the hypotenuse of the base as per RE instructions. That part was the only one that I followed to the letter.

One thing I noticed is that I didn't have to grind down the four studs that come with the mirror base. I did have to grind down a small portion of the ones that are located more towards the front of the car when your test fitting the base. These two I had to cut in an angle to clear the shape of the door where the mirror goes. As you can see the door has a little small triangle that points up and bulges out.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242536736
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For the part about cutting the hypotenuse of the base, I used a rotary tool first with a cut-off disk. But that didn't seemed so good, it worked but was slow and some what difficult to maintain a straight line on the cut. Then I just marked the line with the rotary tool and went on with a manual hacksaw. It proved to be much better since the aluminum base is easier to cut with the hacksaw. Here are a couple of pics.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242538018
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The cut was so smooth that the hole strip came off as one piece for both bases.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242538018

Next, we have to cut a small piece of metal of the door. These piece is a small lip that hides behind the stock base, but with the M3 bases it sits in the way. This lip makes the trim around the window remain flatter. After the cut the trim still sits pretty flat and does not seem to affect in anyway.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242538018

For cutting this part I think the rotary is the best tool hands down. Protect the car below and above this area as a precaution. As you can see I used a dull hacksaw blade to go in between the plastic trim and this metal part. With the rotary tool I cut following the blue line. To mark this blue line I first marked where the mirror sat against this metal part, then with that line as reference I drew the blue line about 4mm inside from where the fist pencil line was drawn. This is because the mirror base is pretty think in all it's sides and if the mirror base can't clear this metal part it wont seat flush to the door. As you can see the cut is kind of angled.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242538018

When your in the process of drawing this line for the cut, you should have a good idea of how the mirror should fit from all it's sides so the cut is aligned with the fitment your trying to get.

The following pics shows the overall fitment you should be after, maybe you can find a better fitment than what I got, but you get the general idea.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1241935736

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1241935736

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1241936158

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Notice in this pic that there is a barely noticeable very small circle with an X inside. These little mark can be used as reference for the fitting process.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242538943


Part 3 - Bolting the M3 mirrors.

When all the back and forth of the fitment process is over, it is time to drill two new holes for the M3 mirror bases. As you seen from the pictures, the M3 mirrors only have preparations for two mounting screws.

What I did and somewhat worked, was cut and file down a small piece off a color pencil or crayon and use it to mark the best I could the location for the the holes to be drilled.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242538943

The thing to watch here is that the top hole, at least in my case, is close to the semi-circular opening in the door, and you have to be careful not to make this location too weak to hold firmly the screw and mirror. As it is very likely you have experience drilling challenging holes I'll only recommend to make the fist hole with a small drill bit and see if the location was good or you need to move it. As you can imagine the position of these holes directly affect the fitment of the hole base. You could also make use of a cardboard template of the position of the holes in the base and use it to draw mark the holes on the door.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1241500366

For the lower screw I made a bit of room for it since it was hitting against the door from the inside a little bit, but could be that in your case this is not needed.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1242538943


Part 4 - Making the wiring and mirror connection

For the wiring, I used the 5 cables that I had to use for my setup to work, like stated at the beginning I didn't have autofold, ribbon or memory function for my mirrors. So I cut and soldered red to red, gray to gray, green to green, brown to brown, and black to brown. I had two browns so one went with the black wire.

For this part I followed this great DIY: Genuine M3 Mirror Install with Autofold retrofit and 12 to 6 pin conversion on a e46 Coupe. This DIY is very good and has instructions for autofold and 12pin conversions, it covers a little on retaining memory function for the mirrors.

That's the end of part 4.

Right now mirrors are at the body shop waiting for painting. I'll post those pics as soon as I can get them installed. :pimpin: :)

sillieidiot 05-17-2009 02:27 AM

great job. i'm sure this will come in handy

Darkoz 05-17-2009 04:00 AM

Great job, don't forget to post some pics once it's painted and installed.

adrian320 05-18-2009 03:31 PM

Thanks for the comments. I will post pics as soon as I can get them back on.

FunPoliceSam 05-21-2009 02:54 AM

ill be going through this in the next 24 hours... ahhh... how did u get rid of that gap on the bottom? you mentioned it in your other thread. im not sure how to extend the base. i was thinking of applying the foam from my older mirrors, but its gonna be kinda messy and im still scared of wind noise coming into the cabin. :cry:

edit- nm i think u just cut that small piece that was sticking out, haha, clever.

FunPoliceSam 05-21-2009 02:59 AM

oh yea and those 2 holes better hold the mirror down good! i swear if im going 60 and the mirror starts shaking i will be pissed.

adrian320 05-21-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunPoliceSam (Post 9996450)
oh yea and those 2 holes better hold the mirror down good! i swear if im going 60 and the mirror starts shaking i will be pissed.

Yeah, I'll be looking closely for the same thing. I will also try to use the stock foam pads, but cutting them is inevitable. If I donŽt use the stock foams IŽll add a good amount of standard window foam seal to get a tight all-around seal.

Yesterday I bought M6 hex bolts that have a 10mm hex head and bought them in two lengths, 30mm and 40mm. I will also use pressure washers and Lock-tite on the threads to get a firm hold of those mirrors. In our favor the M3 Mirrors are lighter and more aerodynamic than the stocks ones, that should help against wind noise and shaking.

:thumbup:

adrian320 05-21-2009 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FunPoliceSam (Post 9996428)
ill be going through this in the next 24 hours... ahhh... how did u get rid of that gap on the bottom? you mentioned it in your other thread. im not sure how to extend the base. i was thinking of applying the foam from my older mirrors, but its gonna be kinda messy and im still scared of wind noise coming into the cabin. :cry:

edit- nm i think u just cut that small piece that was sticking out, haha, clever.

The gap I had at the bottom at the end, was about 3mm or a little less. But it actually look better as an over-all fitment from all sides and seemed to follow well the door lines.

FunPoliceSam 05-22-2009 07:44 PM

it came out REALLY REALLY GOOD. the gap is like 3mm like you said, but make sure to use the foam from the older mirrors to cover it up. atleast thats what i did and it worked really good, no wind noise. Mirrors dont shake either!

damn that was hard. :cry:

now i need a supercharger :woot:

adrian320 05-25-2009 04:31 PM

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Follow-up

This past saturday I installed the painted mirrors.

Here are is a pic of the M6 bolts (10mm hex head) that are holding the left mirror. The length of these bolts should be 20mm. With these bolts the mirror are by far more secured than with the stock torx screws. In the top bolt a had more space and used one standard washer and one pressure washer, on the lower bolt, since the surface is not level I used two pressure washers.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1243282796

Here a pic of the stock mirrors foam, I really think this is the best way to go to avoid the filtration of water and the potential for wind noise. In red circles the modified areas.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1243283190

And finally some finished pics: :pimpin:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1243283190
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1243283190
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/attachm...1&d=1243283190

Darkoz 05-26-2009 03:20 AM

Great job, turned out very nice but why did you only paint half the base black?
Would've looked better finished if the whole base was black up to where it joins the housing

adrian320 05-26-2009 12:15 PM

Thanks.
I chose to paint it that way because I did not completely like the hole base painted black. I also considered painting the hole mirror black or the hole mirror silver. I'll have it like this for a while and decide if I want it like that or change it later.
I'll post better pics later.
:thumbup:

Darkoz 05-27-2009 07:20 AM

Fair enough, either way you did a great job

phamine 05-27-2009 11:11 PM

Are you able to wire it to rotate closed?

antzcrashing 06-02-2009 05:00 PM

nice work

DOB2009 06-28-2009 07:41 AM

I'm wondering if my m3 rep mirrors require any modification to the base. I bought them from DDM, I think I can skip that entire fitting/modification section of the DIY??

adrian320 06-28-2009 07:19 PM

Absolutly right!
Have fun with the new mirrors.

kenzoke 04-18-2010 11:50 AM

hi is this also possible for fit the coupe mirrors on sedan?

CTD 04-26-2010 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenzoke (Post 11623063)
hi is this also possible for fit the coupe mirrors on sedan?

I think this can help with fitting couoe mirrors to a sedan... Maybe the OP can chime in?!

sna77 07-31-2011 11:39 AM

Wanted to bump this thread to see how these are holding up after a few years and also whether there is noise on the highway (wind noise) from not being a sung fit?

Thanks!


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