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JJR4884 08-27-2009 11:35 PM

3.38 Diff Installed, 4 hours my ass.... 1 hour install
 
Hi all.... just put a 3.38 in tonight and I gotta say, we did a lot of work and it wasn't difficult at all. So for anyone who can put their car on a lift, go for it, this was as easy as putting an exhaust on.......



K for starters, I used this DIY

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=145570

Perfect 10/10...... no roadblocks, no surprises (surprisingly lol), very straight forward, and thats that




In a nutshell... did a couple things different...

1. I have a TSE3, so rather than letting the exhaust hang, I simply removed the last two sections... made it very easy

2. Car was on a lift, left in neutral

3. Remove the clips on the sway bar, however didn't take it out, we just pivoted it down all the way, it gave more than enough room for the diff to clear when we took it out

4. Removed the rear suspension reinforcment bar..... took 1 minute, 6 bolts

5. Removed the 6 bolts per axle, took about a minute per side with the air gun... you can rotate the tires pretty easily rather than trying to maneuver around the axle :P

6. Removed the 6 bolts for the driveshaft.... took a few minutes since its a little less space to work in and a little harder to rotate

7. 2 bolts in the front and 1 bolt in the back holding the diff up, removed those in within a few minutes, then had to pry the diff off the driveshaft while we lowered it out of the car...



Diff off the car

Banged out the flanges, took a minute per side if that.... swapped them. Yes the 3.38 has a different flange....

-The 3.38 flange had 6 holes equally dispersed... so a normal 6 star pattern (think of a rim...)

-The 2.93 flange (on my 6spd 330ci) had 6 holes, but it was designed more like a split 3 rim... so, 2 were next to eachother, another 2 were next to eachother, and another 2....

No big deal, bang em out with a hammer, and bang the others back in :thumbsup:

In the meantime with the diff off the car, we removed the back of the diff, cleaned all the sh*t out of the inside, sealed it, bolted it, and filled it up with oil. I used the 75w90 Royal Purple, one bottle will do the trick

Reversed everything and thats it...... install was very straight forward. Took about 15 minutes total to put the diff on the car, bolt everything back up, and take the car off the lift.


For all of you "thinking" about doing this, don't hesitate... there really isn't any hard part if you have the right tools... however I'm fortunate that a buddy of mine is a mechanic with a lift, so I give you credit to tackling this on jack stands :thumbsup:







First Impressions

Right of the bat, the car felt lighter putting it in reverse and backing out of the garage....

When I am WOT at low RPMs, I feel like i'm in the gear lower...... so gunning it at 30mph in 4th gear feels like what 3rd gear gave me.

I didn't really notice too big a difference with the RPMs.. still drove at 35mph in 4th gear, however the car is comfortable in 5th gear at that speed as well. Of course the big difference is when I am going faster, so we'll see how I like going 70-80mph in 6th...

1st gear is very noticable, however definitely not neck snapping :rofl:

I haven't done a highway run yet so no info on that :P

The most impressive is the 1st to 2nd pull when you really get on it.... 2nd gear is REALLY strong, so it feels good shifting and still having those g's pulling hard

I'll do a good sprint tomorrow on the highway

Oh and please check out www.car-part.com
This mod costs me a hundred bucks :rofl: Found a local place that had the diff, had 70k miles on it, and wanted $100... When we opened up the diff, the gears still looked brand new. Coming out of an automatic, it would be pretty difficult to fvck up a differential so 70k for that is still nothing.

:hi:

J

secono330ci 08-27-2009 11:42 PM

I saw that you got this a few days ago I thought you were joking lol it seems too good to be true. Did you just give the place a call and picked it up?

JJR4884 08-28-2009 12:34 AM

Pretty much lol... however I called last Friday, they said they had a 3.38 in.
Went there Monday to pick it up, however it was still on the car. They took it off in an hour, which gave me time to go to the ATM and grab a coffee...

So took it home Monday, brought it by my buddies shop today so he could get an idea of what needed to be done, and said "lets just do it, it will take no time"

:D

JJR4884 08-28-2009 08:55 AM

Never again will I post in this forum :rofl: friggin crickets

Anyways, took it on the highway today on my way to work, all I gotta say is WOW. 3rd and 4th are great, while 5th and 6th surprisingly pull relatively hard. The car is definitely more ready to GO

Need to get used to driving 60mph, i feel like i'm killing my car cruising at 2700rpms :rofl:

AdamBath 08-29-2009 02:27 PM

I did mine without a decent jack, took a little longer, but maybe like 15 minutes :lmao: Its a very simple swap, even if you're lifting it up into the car on your chest :rofl:

JJR4884 08-29-2009 05:33 PM

haha that must have been fun :rofl:

E46Rida 08-30-2009 12:12 AM

I was thinking about doing this in the future. I really hate the way first gear is so short. Whats your rpm when you're at 75-80mph? Around 3500 I'm guessing?

lkstaack 08-30-2009 01:06 AM

My install took a few hours. As I recall, removing the half shaft bolts is tedious for those without air tools. You must turn the drive shaft every couple of bolts and then wedge something to prevent it from turning. This has to be done for both shafts. Of course, you wouldn't have to do this if you had an air wrench.

JJR4884 08-31-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by E46Rida (Post 10539209)
I was thinking about doing this in the future. I really hate the way first gear is so short. Whats your rpm when you're at 75-80mph? Around 3500 I'm guessing?

actually its a tad over 3000........ probably 2900 at 75, 3200 at 80mph

I gotta say, I quickly noticed the higher rpms on the highway, and its helping me stay at 60-65mph :rofl:

And.... after an aggressive tank of gas this weekend, i'm still averaging 22.5mpg, and i didn't go on my highways either :thumbsup:

usually i'm at 23mpg, i'm sure that won't change :)

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Originally Posted by lkstaack (Post 10539348)
My install took a few hours. As I recall, removing the half shaft bolts is tedious for those without air tools. You must turn the drive shaft every couple of bolts and then wedge something to prevent it from turning. This has to be done for both shafts. Of course, you wouldn't have to do this if you had an air wrench.

yep, put it in neutral and turned a little every 2 bolts....... definitely easy being under a lifted car

Jelly335 08-31-2009 12:26 AM

nice info bro. im planning on doing a 3.38 diff for my 330. got my cousins lift at his shop so i should be good. when u mean u turned the bolts a lil every 2 bolts u had to remove them evenly?

Jelly335 08-31-2009 12:31 AM

ohh yea also do you need to get fluid for the new diff?

JJR4884 08-31-2009 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JELBMW330I (Post 10543833)
nice info bro. im planning on doing a 3.38 diff for my 330. got my cousins lift at his shop so i should be good. when u mean u turned the bolts a lil every 2 bolts u had to remove them evenly?

no, when you are removing the bolts from the drive shaft, you can't reach all 6 at one time, so when you remove one completely (or two), you'll have to turn the drive shaft to put the other bolts in the same position that way you can remove them

once you get under there you'll get it :thumbsup:

remember, the flanges just knock right now, don't be afraid to give it a good whack

Young Gun 08-31-2009 02:53 AM

You just convinced me on my next mod. Cheers!

brysterman 08-31-2009 03:30 AM

I want one!!!

JJR4884 08-31-2009 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young Gun (Post 10544293)
You just convinced me on my next mod. Cheers!

You'll be VERY happy when you get it :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by brysterman (Post 10544355)
I want one!!!

Get one!

AdamBath 08-31-2009 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJR4884 (Post 10537838)
haha that must have been fun :rofl:

I did my trans the same way when I replaced the clutch :lmao: I really need to just invest in a damned jack already :rofl:

lkstaack 08-31-2009 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJR4884 (Post 10543801)
yep, put it in neutral and turned a little every 2 bolts....... definitely easy being under a lifted car

Now that I think about it, I remember that this install was easy, but turning and then locking the drive shaft every two bolts was a total PITA. I think that I had to wedge both my rear wheels every time. Of course, I was on my back by myself in the garage. Did anyone else find a better way to keep the shafts from spinning as they loosened the half shaft bolts?

bigjae1976 08-31-2009 07:10 PM

Good to hear. I'm going with a 3.15 soon. Didn't want anything too short since I still spend a lot of time on the highway.

AdamBath 09-01-2009 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjae1976 (Post 10548339)
Good to hear. I'm going with a 3.15 soon. Didn't want anything too short since I still spend a lot of time on the highway.

I've got a 3.15 in my 330, and I wish I had a 3.46. The highway RPM difference is not enough to even worry about that, IMO.

JJR4884 09-01-2009 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lkstaack (Post 10546327)
Now that I think about it, I remember that this install was easy, but turning and then locking the drive shaft every two bolts was a total PITA. I think that I had to wedge both my rear wheels every time. Of course, I was on my back by myself in the garage. Did anyone else find a better way to keep the shafts from spinning as they loosened the half shaft bolts?

using an air tool, i only had to hold the driveshaft with a firm grip, it didn't spin at all :dunno:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjae1976 (Post 10548339)
Good to hear. I'm going with a 3.15 soon. Didn't want anything too short since I still spend a lot of time on the highway.

meh... for the low end acceleration, the 3.38 is worth it. not to mention, i always drive by sound of the engine, not speed... so keeping it at 2500rpms will keep me at 65ish... i don't mind going a little slower, it will save me from getting an 80 in a 65 ticket :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamBath (Post 10551539)
I've got a 3.15 in my 330, and I wish I had a 3.46. The highway RPM difference is not enough to even worry about that, IMO.

do you have a 6 or 5 speed?

idk i don't enjoy cruising at 80mph.... 3000 rpms sounds a little bit too much for the engine IMO, 2700 tops for me


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