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roastbeef 11-03-2009 11:47 PM

new rims/tires soon- questions about best setup for better handling.
 
i'm looking to get new tires and rims for my 325ci soon. i want my rim/tire size combination to be of best performance as far as rim diameter, offset, and width, as well as tire size.

i have already decided that i am going to go with vmr v710's. what i'm having a hard time establishing, is what the best size is for performance. i would like to go with 19's, but i'm not sure if it is going to change the diameter of the tire as it sits on my car- for example, i don't want a larger size tire on my car then i have right now and decrease acceleration performance.
also, is the general rule for tire width "the wider the better"? i know the car would grip better because more tire would be in contact with the pavement, but would it negatively impact performance as it would add more mass for the car to turn? or is it insignificant at this level? i'm looking at 8.5's or 9.5's as far as width goes.
also, i have been doing some reading regarding staggered rims. whats the general consensus for staggered rims as far as performance goes? is it mostly cosmetic? i figure it would be more beneficial to run 1" spacers in the rear so i could rotate the tires.

this tire/wheel combo will be going on my stock sport suspension on my 325ci. i plan on getting my car aligned according to the suggestions in this thread; http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...ory+understeer
this is for a daily driven, non-tracked car.

lastly, i haven't found a distributor that carries the nitto NT05. can someone point me in the right direction?

sorry for the long read, and thanks a bunch in advance for the discussion!

Chris-TK 11-04-2009 02:57 AM

V710s are not the way to go if you're looking for better handling/performance. Look for some lightweight 18s and some sticky tires.

Alex323Ci 11-04-2009 03:06 AM

what you really want is lighter wheels and tires. you likely don't want anything over 18" and staggered depends on how your car is set up. you'll find manny real track drivers prefer a non staggered set-up. TC Kline being one of them liking a neutral handling E46. go to the WT(Wheel&Tire) section of the forum. you'll find some good advice there

Chris-TK 11-04-2009 03:09 AM

Kosei K1s :eeps:

m1356guy 11-04-2009 03:17 AM

Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec > Nitto NT05

+ kosei k1s = :drool:

Chris-TK 11-04-2009 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1356guy (Post 10856417)
Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec > Nitto NT05

+ kosei k1s = :drool:

That's my EXACT setup. :str8pimpi

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/Streets2.jpg

m1356guy 11-04-2009 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisTKHarris (Post 10856426)

sh!t i knew u had kosei's just didnt know what tires u ran on the track....how u likey?

Chris-TK 11-04-2009 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1356guy (Post 10856462)
sh!t i knew u had kosei's just didnt know what tires u ran on the track....how u likey?

dem rubberbands iz wicked good

m1356guy 11-04-2009 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisTKHarris (Post 10856464)
dem rubberbands iz wicked good

das what i thought. next summer im gonna get apex arc-8s wrapped in star specs :drool:


hopefully :eeps:

roastbeef 11-04-2009 03:42 AM

well, i'm pretty picky as far as styling goes. other then csl's i haven't really come across a rim style that i really liked and desired. i think almost anything other than v710's is out of the question.

what is the benefit of going with 18's over 19's?

Chris-TK 11-04-2009 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roastbeef (Post 10856470)
well, i'm pretty picky as far as styling goes. other then csl's i haven't really come across a rim style that i really liked and desired.

what is the benefit of going with 18's over 19's?

USUALLY 18s are lighter which has less rotational mass and handles better, 19s tend to be heavier which hurts acceleration, braking and handling.

JETZ 11-04-2009 03:49 AM

1''Spacer???? :tsk::tsk::tsk:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6...gbigone6sz.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by roastbeef (Post 10855829)
i'm looking to get new tires and rims for my 325ci soon. i want my rim/tire size combination to be of best performance as far as rim diameter, offset, and width, as well as tire size.

i have already decided that i am going to go with vmr v710's. what i'm having a hard time establishing, is what the best size is for performance. i would like to go with 19's, but i'm not sure if it is going to change the diameter of the tire as it sits on my car- for example, i don't want a larger size tire on my car then i have right now and decrease acceleration performance.
also, is the general rule for tire width "the wider the better"? i know the car would grip better because more tire would be in contact with the pavement, but would it negatively impact performance as it would add more mass for the car to turn? or is it insignificant at this level? i'm looking at 8.5's or 9.5's as far as width goes.
also, i have been doing some reading regarding staggered rims. whats the general consensus for staggered rims as far as performance goes? is it mostly cosmetic? i figure it would be more beneficial to run 1" spacers in the rear so i could rotate the tires.
this tire/wheel combo will be going on my stock sport suspension on my 325ci. i plan on getting my car aligned according to the suggestions in this thread; http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...ory+understeer
this is for a daily driven, non-tracked car.

lastly, i haven't found a distributor that carries the nitto NT05. can someone point me in the right direction?

sorry for the long read, and thanks a bunch in advance for the discussion!


roastbeef 11-04-2009 03:51 AM

i see. if i remember correctly, the difference for the 18" to 19" v710's was a half pound, and each rim weighed ~25lbs. i'll have to try to find it again.

what do my factory 17's weigh? if i can match the factory performance with 19" v710's, i would be happy, but if i could increase performance, it would be even better.

Chris-TK 11-04-2009 03:54 AM

FYI 25 lbs is NOT a light wheel. Under 20 lbs. should be your goal.

m1356guy 11-04-2009 03:58 AM

ya dude kosei k1s are 16.8 lbs...THAT is light, your factory wheels are probably somewhere are 23 lbs

look at enkei rpf1s too, u might like that style

Chris-TK 11-04-2009 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1356guy (Post 10856493)
ya dude kosei k1s are 16.8 lbs...THAT is light, your factory wheels are probably somewhere are 23 lbs

look at enkei rpf1s too, u might like that style

or the Enkei NT-03M (one of my favorite wheels of all time).

roastbeef 11-04-2009 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisTKHarris (Post 10856486)
FYI 25 lbs is NOT a light wheel. Under 20 lbs. should be your goal.

i can't justify spending lots of money on lightweight wheels. i hate to say it, but weight is going to be secondary to styling and appearance for this one.


Quote:

Originally Posted by m1356guy (Post 10856493)
ya dude kosei k1s are 16.8 lbs...THAT is light, your factory wheels are probably somewhere are 23 lbs

look at enkei rpf1s too, u might like that style

not a huge fan of the styling of either of those unfortunately.

m1356guy 11-04-2009 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisTKHarris (Post 10856499)
or the Enkei NT-03M (one of my favorite wheels of all time).

oh hell ya those are sexxx...do they fit on our cars because i remember seeing a pic of a similar wheel on an m3 with nt05s, and the "nitto" on the tire was painted white. sooo sick :drool:
Quote:

Originally Posted by roastbeef (Post 10856501)
i can't justify spending lots of money on lightweight wheels. i hate to say it, but weight is going to be secondary to styling and appearance for this one.




not a huge fan of the styling of either of those unfortunately.

so then you're not really looking for a wheel with the best performance?

roastbeef 11-04-2009 04:26 AM

like i said, i'm pretty particular as to what i like. i have looked at tons of rims, and nothing has made me want to pull the trigger more then the v710's. i would rather have a rim that i love to look at on my car rather then a rim that i don't really like, but performs better.
i'm more asking what the best setup is with this particular rim with the options available.

Chris-TK 11-04-2009 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1356guy (Post 10856505)
oh hell ya those are sexxx...do they fit on our cars because i remember seeing a pic of a similar wheel on an m3 with nt05s, and the "nitto" on the tire was painted white. sooo sick :drool:

so then you're not really looking for a wheel with the best performance?

Yeah they fit

and

:werd: OP performance and handling don't really seem to be what you're looking for. Just get something you like then. :)


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