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-z0sick- 12-02-2009 04:23 PM

Secondary Air Pump Check Valve Removal Help
 
Hi,

So my car is throwing codes P1421 & P1423 (Secondary Airflow).

I did the usual troubleshooting of looking at the air pump, vacuum hoses, etc and everything seems to be ok.

The last thing to check is the check valve. I'd like to remove it and clean it out with some solvent but am having a tough time reaching the bolts.

Does anyone have some tips/advice on how to reach and remove the two bolts that secures the check valve to the exhaust port?

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325adam 12-02-2009 05:46 PM

You can try checking fuse #36 to see if its blown. That is $2.50 fix.

-z0sick- 12-02-2009 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 325adam (Post 10976186)
You can try checking fuse #36 to see if its blown. That is $2.50 fix.

Thanks for the tip but I don't thinks it's the fuse since I can hear the Air Pump turn on and run on cold starts.

ThatGuy_JZ 12-02-2009 06:20 PM

Mine was a bad relay... it's behind your glove box. I checked and checked over everything constantly and all was working, after clearing the codes over and over at Advance Auto I was able to diagnose it thru trial and error. Sometimes the system would be fine, other times the light would trigger, all times I would hear the air pump kick on. Ultimately it was the relay which occasionally delayed the start of the system which triggered the light. It's a $13 OEM part. After I took my old one out I took it apart by removing the cover and sure enough the contact point inside was charred.

To answer you question though, theres just two bolts/nuts that hold it on, but removing it my require a new gasket. Try using a U-joint. Should be straight forward though. Take the hose off and feel in there for blockage with the motor OFF. Then on a cold morning when it kicks open at first start (verify it's doing this), shoot a little throttle body cleaner or seafoam in it then hook the pump hose back up to blow it thru the ports. I did that but it didn't fix anything.

-z0sick- 12-02-2009 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy_JZ (Post 10976355)
Mine was a bad relay... it's behind your glove box. I checked and checked over everything constantly and all was working, after clearing the codes over and over at Advance Auto I was able to diagnose it thru trial and error. Sometimes the system would be fine, other times the light would trigger, all times I would hear the air pump kick on. Ultimately it was the relay which occasionally delayed the start of the system which triggered the light. It's a $13 OEM part. After I took my old one out I took it apart by removing the cover and sure enough the contact point inside was charred.

To answer you question though, theres just two bolts/nuts that hold it on, but removing it my require a new gasket. Try using a U-joint. Should be straight forward though. Take the hose off and feel in there for blockage with the motor OFF. Then on a cold morning when it kicks open at first start (verify it's doing this), shoot a little throttle body cleaner or seafoam in it then hook the pump hose back up to blow it thru the ports. I did that but it didn't fix anything.

Ok thanks guys, I will check the relay...I think I saw a post showing where it's located somewhere on the forum. Will keep you posted. Thanks again.

ThatGuy_JZ 12-02-2009 08:09 PM

No prob, it's the Salmon colored one behind the glove box. You have to take the glove box out to get to it.

nvoges 12-03-2009 11:20 AM

Does anyone have a part number for the secondary air injection pump? I tried finding it on RealOem but haven't had any luck locating it.

sbuoncri 12-13-2009 04:38 PM

I have one extra for you if you want it. it'll be 25 shipped.

sbuoncri 12-13-2009 04:39 PM

I have an article for you too if you need it. give me your email address. It talks about all of the secondary air pump stuff and how to diagnose the exact problem.

Sshark 02-16-2010 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy_JZ (Post 10977007)
No prob, it's the Salmon colored one behind the glove box. You have to take the glove box out to get to it.


Any chance you can remember the part number of that relay?

nhbmwguy 03-04-2010 03:00 PM

Genuine BMW 5-Prong salmon red changer relay for air injection system.
BMW Part Number: 12631742690 / 12-63-1-742-690

xi_ter 03-04-2010 05:00 PM

Instead of removing the valve, use the blowing power of the Secondary air pump to blow Seafoam solvent through the valve and into the exhaust ports.

To clear this carbon, pour Seafoam into the hose from secondary air pump to the valve and engine port before the cold engine is started in the morning.

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The hose will hold just over an ounce of Seafoam. Reconnect the hose and run the car 5 seconds so the air pump blows the Seafoam into the exhaust port. Repeat this fill and restart 3 more times only running the engine 5 seconds so the secondary air pump runs for the 3 fills.

Then let the engine sit 15 minutes and warm up the car. There will be significant amounts of Seafoam carbon burnoff in the form of white smoke. The carbon burnoff will clean exhaust areas in the path to the O2 sensors that measure secondary air flow.

Since doing this using a couple of cans over a few months, the CELs have gone away and the engine feels smoother.

nhbmwguy 03-05-2010 08:24 AM

I did this last night and it worked just as you described. I only used about 1-2 ounces the first try.
The amount of smoke it produces is amazing.

GA2002325 03-17-2010 10:14 AM

Does running SeaFoam do any harm to the O2 sensors?
Will this help, I am getting a P0492 code (Secondary air sytem - bank 2)?

xi_ter 03-17-2010 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GA2002325 (Post 11479123)
Does running SeaFoam do any harm to the O2 sensors?
Will this help, I am getting a P0492 code (Secondary air sytem - bank 2)?

Seafoam has never hurt my O2 sensors. Filling the tube with Seafoam as above will clear the secondary air passages and in my case corrected the low secondary air flow code.
Listen for the secondary air pump hum at start up and inspect the hose. If it doesn't fill up after you've poured 1 1/2 oz of Seafoam there might be a leak in the hose.

catso 03-19-2010 02:33 PM

Mine had the P1421 and P1423 codes and it was a leak in the air pump vaccuum line right below cylinder #3. I repaired the plastic vaccum line with rubber vaccuum hose, cleared the codes and they didn't come back.

Sshark 03-19-2010 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catso (Post 11490593)
Mine had the P1421 and P1423 codes and it was a leak in the air pump vaccuum line right below cylinder #3. I repaired the plastic vaccum line with rubber vaccuum hose, cleared the codes and they didn't come back.


Any chance you took any pic of which vaccum line exactly?

Bright Red 03-22-2010 08:06 PM

Seafoam in pump for me tonight, results tbd!

GA2002325 03-29-2010 11:55 AM

I did have a hole in the secondary pump hose to valve about six months ago. It threw a CEL and I replaced the hose. Now I keep getting CEL for this and bank2 low flow indicated. (I am using a peake reader for codes)

I will give the seafoam a try.
About how long does it take for the smoke to burn off?

I have also noticed the pump sounds like a mini turbine engine (high pitch whine) when it is running lately, is this from the low flow or is the pump going bad?

xi_ter 03-29-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GA2002325 (Post 11535520)
About how long does it take for the smoke to burn off?

5 Minutes

Quote:

I have also noticed the pump sounds like a mini turbine engine (high pitch whine) when it is running lately, is this from the low flow or is the pump going bad?
The pump whines for about 2 minutes at start. If there is back pressure the pump would meet resistance and would be louder. The pump is like a leaf blower so the fact it turns on and powers off after 2 minutes means the system is working mechanically. Build up of carbon will cause a code if the O2 sensor is not measuring enough flow about 2 minutes after start up.


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