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RedTRex 12-16-2009 05:31 PM

Vanos bad or setup wrong - need help.
 
Hi All,
New to this forum, but not BMWs (my current garage has a 2008 135i and a 187 325ic with M50 swap and I have owned about 10 over the years.

Anyway, I have a 99 323i with a M52TU (dual Vanos), bought with a blown headgasket (overheat?), I had the head rebuilt and sourced a new shortblock since the headbolts kept pulling threads.
I took pictures during dis-assembly and when I reassembled the VANOS, I set the gears and all on the wear marks and per the pictures I used on teardown. Cams were set perfect, but when I rotated the crank through the cams moved on the VANOS stuff and I assumed once the engine ran and oil got up there it would sort itself out.
So, the engine runs, seems to idle just fine, air pump runs for a couple of minutes and then quites. in neutral engine seems to rev okay, but in gear it responds very very very slowly until about 4k rpm , then takes of like a banshee.
I am confident it has something to do with the cams advanced too much or not enough. However, I have no experience with VANOS so I do not know how to troubleshoot, or do I know if I even set it up correctly - although must be close as engine does run.
ohhhh - when running gives me a code of CAM posit sensor bank 1 bad, so I ordered and replaced Intake cam sensor - no change in performance though.

Well, sorry for being long winded but I thought more info would help you to help me.
Thanks
Rick

mrshelley 12-17-2009 08:13 PM

If you don't have the Vanos tools to set the cam timing, you'll never get it right and the car will never run correct.

RedTRex 12-17-2009 09:56 PM

Well that was helpful.

mrshelley 12-17-2009 11:05 PM

Look here:
http://www.baumtools.com/pdf/bmw_cam-timing.pdf

Purchase #B1160K and #113240.

Then buy this shop manual:
http://www.bentleypublishers.com/bmw...ir-Manual.html

smolck 01-01-2010 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrshelley (Post 11053073)
If you don't have the Vanos tools to set the cam timing, you'll never get it right and the car will never run correct.

nevermind

RedTRex 01-01-2010 07:03 PM

so I had some discussion with Rajaie after I discovered his site and bought a VANOS seal kit.

I also bought the tool set from eBay, it just came Wed (30 Dec) but I wasn't able to get to the car until today.

Anyway - I am a believer! You cannot set the VANOS up correctly without the Jigs (tools). That is a fact.

My intake cam was 2 teeth retarded. Never would have figured it out with the tool.

I will rebuild the VANOS in the and get the rest back together in the AM.

Sooooo.....Thanks ALL.

bigjae1976 01-02-2010 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrshelley (Post 11053767)
Look here:
http://www.baumtools.com/pdf/bmw_cam-timing.pdf

Purchase #B1160K and #113240.

So how much are these tools? I don't see a price on their site.

RedTRex 01-02-2010 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigjae1976 (Post 11112670)
So how much are these tools? I don't see a price on their site.

Here is the same set I bought....it is nicely built.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-C...item5637ecabc5

nikoloza 02-19-2010 10:48 AM

After I saw this thraed I'm really confused with that vanos becouse I am going to
get that vanos kit from beisan and replace camshaft position sensors .
Do you still need this tool to
or change the cam sensors and vanos seals needs?

RedTRex 02-19-2010 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikoloza (Post 11346830)
After I saw this thraed I'm really confused with that vanos becouse I am going to
get that vanos kit from beisan and replace camshaft position sensors .
Do you still need this tool to
or change the cam sensors and vanos seals needs?


No - the "tools" are only needed if you mess with the chains/gears......


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