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Jeeemz 03-01-2010 03:26 PM

Software for internal engine mods... shark injector?
 
So here's my setup: I have an '02 330Ci with 11.0:1 vented pistons with a 1mm overbore, H-beam rods 5mm longer than stock, 258 deg. intake/exhaust cams with 11.15 mm lift, upgraded valve springs, rod bearings, main bearings, Carbonio CAI, ebay headers, and Borla cat-back exhaust fitted with Magnaflow cats (plus other mods that won't be relevant to my question).

I was originally supposed to get my ECU programmed with the software used by the people who suggested the configuration and sold me all the parts (Metric Mechanic in MO). I believe Mark D'Sylva does their software. I live in CA and shipped my ECU to them, but they were unable to get the software on my ECU at the time. So I was never able to get the software, but my local indy mechanic said Shark Injector would do the same thing, so I installed the Shark Injector software.

My problem is that the car has never run long periods without throwing one code or another ever since I've done the mods. It has been an epic 2 year fiasco of taking the car in to my mechanic and having him tweak this, and tune that, and now my smog is out of date, and I can't get rid of a couple codes (P2096--post catalyst fuel trim system too lean bank 1, and P0172--System too rich bank 1). The particular codes are not what I'm concerned about--there were many more prior to these.

To get to my question: based on the mods I've done, did I need that custom software after all, or should the shark injector have done just as well? Could my lingering issues be related to the fact that I don't have the right software? Did my indy "performanc" mechanic lead me astray?

Rob43 03-01-2010 05:30 PM

The Shark injector was absolutely the wrong tune for your BIMMER. Don't get me wrong, i
like mine, it's a good "off the self" generic tune, but definitely the wrong tune for your application. Your mods fall into one category, "Custom Custom" tune, meaning tuned on a
dyno. Companies like AA have "Custom" tunes, but these will be pre-engineered applications, and not specifically tuned to your application. I would absolutely look for a company that could put your Bimmer on a chassis dyno and re-flash your ECU until they
got it right.

Good luck,

Rob43 03-01-2010 05:31 PM

OPPs....double post.

Jeeemz 03-01-2010 06:04 PM

Thanks for the reply. I was afraid that might be the case. Do you think having the wrong tune can make the car run badly enough to trigger engine codes? Or would it just not run optimally? Could having the wrong software make the engine run significantly too rich or too lean, for example?

Justin@SharkInjectorDirect 03-01-2010 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeeemz (Post 11398636)
Thanks for the reply. I was afraid that might be the case. Do you think having the wrong tune can make the car run badly enough to trigger engine codes? Or would it just not run optimally? Could having the wrong software make the engine run significantly too rich or too lean, for example?

Rob is very much right. Your car NEEDS to be tuned on a dyno. There will be no off the shelf tune that will take care of it.

Whoever sold you on the Shark Injector should be knee'd in the groind repeatedly.

Yes, the wrong tune can make your car run badly. Yes it can make it run too rich, or too lean... and both of those conditions will toss out an MIL.

You need to get your car on a dyno with a reputable tuner my friend.

Rob43 03-01-2010 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin@sharkinjectordirect (Post 11398790)
rob is very much right. Your car needs to be tuned on a dyno. There will be no off the shelf tune that will take care of it.

whoever sold you on the shark injector should be knee'd in the groind repeatedly.


yes, the wrong tune can make your car run badly. Yes it can make it run too rich, or too lean... And both of those conditions will toss out an mil.

You need to get your car on a dyno with a reputable tuner my friend.

Sponsor quote of the year !!!

Jeeemz 03-01-2010 07:14 PM

Thanks. I've been wanting to knee him in the groin for about two years... that scumbag has probably paid off his M5 with the money I've spent on him doing mechanical "fixes" that will never fully solve the problem. I can't believe it. I can't believe I didn't see through his incompetence.

Do you (or anyone) know of any good tuners with a dyno in Southern CA? How much is this going to cost me?

Justin@SharkInjectorDirect 03-01-2010 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob43 (Post 11398865)
Sponsor quote of the year !!!

I'm a no BS kind of guy.

I would never suggest someone buy a SI with those kinds of mods. It seems REALLY dishonest.

In all my years of sales I have learned one thing... don't bullsh-- the customer. Don't lie to them to get the sale. It's not worth it.

Justin@SharkInjectorDirect 03-01-2010 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeeemz (Post 11398946)
Thanks. I've been wanting to knee him in the groin for about two years... that scumbag has probably paid off his M5 with the money I've spent on him doing mechanical "fixes" that will never fully solve the problem. I can't believe it. I can't believe I didn't see through his incompetence.

Do you (or anyone) know of any good tuners with a dyno in Southern CA? How much is this going to cost me?

I would pop in the regional area and ask them.

///Orient3 03-01-2010 07:20 PM

I tried to deal with Metric Mechanic...I went elsewhere. The person I talked to kept trying to sell me on their product instead of answering my specific questions. Plus, they were absurdly expensive for what I was looking for.

Jeeemz 03-04-2010 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin@SharkInjectorDirect (Post 11398961)
I would pop in the regional area and ask them.

Yes, I'm sure I'll get a quote once I find one... Do you know of a tuner in my region?

Bueller?

Jeeemz 03-09-2010 03:13 PM

I've been trying to get in touch with Mark D'Sylva for one of his E.A.T. chips, but haven't been able to reach him.

I did a little research for an alternative and found GIAC up in Irvine, CA, but they're booked up through the summer and can't help me. I also looked into Powerchip, in Costa Mesa, CA, but they don't have a product for my car, and it doesn't look they do custom tuning.

Does anyone know of anyone else?

nightdagger 03-09-2010 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeeemz (Post 11439773)
I've been trying to get in touch with Mark D'Sylva for one of his E.A.T. chips, but haven't been able to reach him.

I did a little research for an alternative and found GIAC up in Irvine, CA, but they're booked up through the summer and can't help me. I also looked into Powerchip, in Costa Mesa, CA, but they don't have a product for my car, and it doesn't look they do custom tuning.

Does anyone know of anyone else?

Active Autowerke does custom tuning.

Rob43 03-09-2010 07:31 PM

First i find it hard to believe that there's no one on the California coast that can custom
tune your car on a chassis dyno. Look harder. Next, i bought a Mark D'Sylva
chip for my E36 race car because i was told that it was the chip of chips.
Keep in mind that my current
chip worked quite well & i liked it, but I'll spend money to pick-up 5WHP. I put it in & dynoed
it to find i just LOST 10WHP & 9WTQ, it got pulled out 1 minute later. So I'd probably pass
on D'Sylva.

Good luck,

E46Arash 04-22-2010 01:58 PM

Powerchip does do custom tunes for everyones car.
they tuned my e46 m3 with full boltons and the difference is definately night and day. I wouldnt go with anyone else.

Justin@SharkInjectorDirect 04-22-2010 08:59 PM

As long as this tune consists of your car tuned on a dyno it would most likely be worth the money.

Anyone who is selling you a 'tune' for your mods without dyno'ing your car is not selling you a tune for YOUR mods... period. You are getting a generic off the shelf tune. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a fool.

SL Blak Soldier 04-22-2010 09:06 PM

Call up Church's tuning... i'm pretty sure they will know a guy.

http://home.earthlink.net/~spchurch/

^closest thing to a website i could find. tons of jdm guys go to him. i'm sure they'll know where to get you some help if they can't provide it themselves.

Also Gintani does custom tunning if i remmeber correctly. they are here in the San Fernando Valley.

E46Arash 04-26-2010 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SL Blak Soldier (Post 11644801)
Call up Church's tuning... i'm pretty sure they will know a guy.

http://home.earthlink.net/~spchurch/

^closest thing to a website i could find. tons of jdm guys go to him. i'm sure they'll know where to get you some help if they can't provide it themselves.

Also Gintani does custom tunning if i remmeber correctly. they are here in the San Fernando Valley.

Wrong answer.
Dont ever go to church Auto. Everyone I know has had a bad experience with them including me in the past. If you want your car done right just call Matt at Powerchip.


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