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Wraisil 07-02-2011 12:16 PM

As if I don't spend enough on guns already...
 
In the past 15 years I have shot a LOT of rounds down Beretta pistols. Qualifications and training with the M9, more rounds than I can count down my PX4 and PX4 sub-compact, not to mention the CX4. That's not to say I never gave another manufacturer a chance. I've shot Glocks, XD's, and just about every other type of semi-automatic on the market right now, except for 1911's that is. Until today...

Got a great deal on a nice Kimber Pro Carry II and finally took it to the range today. I don't know what I was expecting, but this wasn't it. First round shooting a .45 out of a gun that weighs no more than my 9mm PX4, I'm sure I expected to feel it, to feel the difference in recoil, to see the extra time to reacquire target etc. What I didn't expect was for the gun to settle just as fast, to absorb that much muzzle flip to make it feel like I was still shooting a 9mm.

I really, really, really, didn't expect that I would be more accurate with the 4" barrel, .45acp, that I just shot my first magazine through than I was with my trusty Beretta that I've been shooting for years. Mind... BLOWN. I still like my Beretta's, and I'm still going to shoot them, but I'm ordering new holsters today, I've found my next carry gun, and I like it.

I'm already drooling over getting other sizes and more expensive 1911's after just one range trip with this one.

Reedo302 07-03-2011 12:24 AM

Shoot a 9mm 1911. It'll blow your mind.
Regardless of what there is out there, no other gun truly shoots like a 1911. Such is why it is the preferred gun for action pistol competition.

NFRs2000nyc 07-03-2011 12:39 AM

Pardon my gun newbness, but what is up with 1911s? Everyone talks about them like sliced bread, what's so good about them?

Also, 1911 isn't a "model" right, since many manufacturers actually make a "1911?" Is it a style of gun?

Reedo302 07-03-2011 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13340774)
Pardon my gun newbness, but what is up with 1911s? Everyone talks about them like sliced bread, what's so good about them?

Also, 1911 isn't a "model" right, since many manufacturers actually make a "1911?" Is it a style of gun?

M1911 was the original designation of the gun adopted by the US Military. The pistol style is called 1911 as a result. The gun design could not be patented, so everyone can make one. It's much the same way everyone can make an M4 or M16.

I would recommend going out and shooting a 1911 and seeing what you think about it. And not just any 1911 either. Shoot a decent one. You'll gain a pretty good perspective as to why people really like them. One such reason is heavily related to the fact that you can customize a 1911 into nearly any configuration that you desire. If you want something done to the gun, there is always a gunsmith or company somewhere that can do it for you.

NFRs2000nyc 07-03-2011 01:02 AM

Any particular maker of the 1911 I should take a look at? Colt and Kimber seem to be the top contenders.

Reedo302 07-03-2011 01:16 AM

Colt is a great company to go with. I would also recommend Springfield Armory. Kimber not so much. I spend a lot of time at 1911Forum, and it seems like 75% of owners are very happy and satisfied with their Kimbers. However, 25% are like me in that they have nothing but disdain for their Kimbers. So, to alleviate this issue, go with a brand that is more consistent in their quality and customer satisfaction.

Other companies to consider:
Wilson Combat
Nighthawk Custom
STI

NFRs2000nyc 07-03-2011 01:35 AM

Any word on Taurus?

Reedo302 07-03-2011 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13340839)
Any word on Taurus?

I'd avoid them. They make great revolvers, but don't expect miracles with their semi-autos.

S&W 1911s have been getting some great press lately.
The best deal on the market right now, IMO, is the Springfield Armory Range Officer.

NFRs2000nyc 07-03-2011 02:22 AM

I was looking at the Springfield Armory, trying to figure out the difference between all the different models. It seems to be a very high quality pistol. I'm going to try to get to the range this weekend and see if they have, or anyone has one I can check out.

What's a good price on a good 1911? Under 1k?

NFRs2000nyc 07-03-2011 02:26 AM

Jeez, just checked out the TRP edition of the SArmory 1911, and MSRP is $1800!!! I'm afraid the wife will kill me.

Reedo302 07-03-2011 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13340887)
I was looking at the Springfield Armory, trying to figure out the difference between all the different models. It seems to be a very high quality pistol. I'm going to try to get to the range this weekend and see if they have, or anyone has one I can check out.

What's a good price on a good 1911? Under 1k?

You can get a good introductory model with options for $700-800. A moderately optioned one will be more, as expected. The Range Officer and the Loaded are the two best options for a mid-level pistol with lots of features at an affordable price, and both can be had in the $700-$800 range.

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13340890)
Jeez, just checked out the TRP edition of the SArmory 1911, and MSRP is $1800!!! I'm afraid the wife will kill me.

Yep, and the wait is upwards of 18 months.

NFRs2000nyc 07-03-2011 03:28 AM

Any real world hobbyist functional difference between an $800 model and an $1800 model?

GlockMan 07-03-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13340839)
Any word on Taurus?

I have both a Colt and a Taurus 1911. Although Taurus is no Colt, I have not had a single issue with mine.

I also had a Taurus .357 that had no issues at all.

Taurus is one of the least expensive name brand 1911s you can buy.

Taurus is not a competition level pistol, but is often a great value overall.

JMO.

Fisch330ciTopasBlau 07-03-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13340890)
Jeez, just checked out the TRP edition of the SArmory 1911, and MSRP is $1800!!! I'm afraid the wife will kill me.

Then don't even think about looking at Les Baer, Wilson Combat or Nighthawk Custom...:shhh:

Fisch330ciTopasBlau 07-03-2011 11:41 AM

I've shot a decent amount of different guns and have owned a few different ones over the years but I always end up coming back to the 1911 and .45 when it comes to putting money down. I just love the platform and the caliber.

Reedo302 07-03-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fisch330ciTopasBlau (Post 13341348)
Then don't even think about looking at Les Baer, Wilson Combat or Nighthawk Custom...:shhh:

:werd:


wife-->you
:slap:


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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13340937)
Any real world hobbyist functional difference between an $800 model and an $1800 model?

Most certainly. Consider the difference between a VW vs Audi vs Bentley. All the same car company ownership, but different price levels mean different options, capability, and refinement. The fit and finish, accuracy, quality of construction, warranty, and prestige and respect all increase with money spent.
Kimber has a 1yr warranty, but most other 1911 makers have good warranties that they stand by. Springfield has a lifetime warranty. Wilson, Les Baer, Dan Wesson, Nighthawk, Volkmann, they all back up their pistols. They don't necessarily outline their warranty specifically, but they basically say "if you have a problem, tell us and we'll take care of it." For companies of their reputation, that means a lot.

NFRs2000nyc 07-03-2011 08:31 PM

Great info guys, thanks a lot. Maybe I can convince the wife to get it for me for my birthday.

NFRs2000nyc 07-03-2011 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reedo302 (Post 13341539)
:werd:


wife-->you
:slap:




Most certainly. Consider the difference between a VW vs Audi vs Bentley. All the same car company ownership, but different price levels mean different options, capability, and refinement. The fit and finish, accuracy, quality of construction, warranty, and prestige and respect all increase with money spent.
Kimber has a 1yr warranty, but most other 1911 makers have good warranties that they stand by. Springfield has a lifetime warranty. Wilson, Les Baer, Dan Wesson, Nighthawk, Volkmann, they all back up their pistols. They don't necessarily outline their warranty specifically, but they basically say "if you have a problem, tell us and we'll take care of it." For companies of their reputation, that means a lot.

Are you kidding me? Every married guy in this thread is afraid of his wife lol....CCW and all. Hahaha

Reedo302 07-03-2011 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13342505)
Are you kidding me? Every married guy in this thread is afraid of his wife lol....CCW and all. Hahaha

Well that just goes without saying.

Chris-TK 07-03-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 13340890)
Jeez, just checked out the TRP edition of the SArmory 1911, and MSRP is $1800!!! I'm afraid the wife will kill me.

My Stainless TRP was only $1250. You can find them used and also they usually retail for around $1400. That $1800 is BS unless you're talking about a rare half or full railed TRP.


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