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Feffman 11-07-2011 02:07 PM

2012 Track Schedule - MVP Track Time
 
2012 MVP Track Time Schedule


My Fellow Track Fanatics:

I hope this finds all of you in good spirits. MVP Track Time (www.MVPTrackTime.com) is extremely excited to announce our expanded 2012 track event schedule.

Revise your 2012 track schedule, as we've added a few new dates for your driving pleasure, notably a second weekend at Road America in July (think cool Wisconsin in mid-Summer). Keep an eye on our web site for updates as the 2012 progresses.

MVP Track Time's goal remains the same, to bring you great value with more actual track time at each event for less money. Our three run group (Novice, Intermediate and Advanced) format allows us to maximize actual time driving on the track, keeping paddock time to a minimum.

Below you will find our 2012 schedule, subject to possible revision as the year progresses.
April 14 - 15: Putnam Park (Greencastle, IN.) - SOLD OUT

June 11: Autobahn Country Club I (Joliet, IL) - Full 3.56 Mile Track

July 7-8: Road America (Elkhart Lake, WI) - "Another Weekend At Road America"

August 6: Autobahn Country Club II (Joliet, IL) - Full 3.56 Mile Track

October 13 - 14: Road America (Elkhart Lake, WI) - 3rd Annual Cheese Heads On Track"

November 17 - 18: Road Atlanta (Braselton, GA) - 4th Annual "Flyin' Turkey Trot"
Registration (on line or mail in) for all our track events is available at:
http://www.MVPTrackTime.com/id47.html
We schedule 2+ hours of daily track time for each run group with qualified instructors available for the Novice run group.

I hope you'll join us in 2012 for plenty of on-track excitement with MVP Track Time. All are invited and welcome. Please, don't hesitate to contact me if you have questions.

Happy Motoring and I hope to see you at the track in 2012!

Mark Pfeffer - MVP Track Time
www.MVPTrackTime.com
(314) 249-3770
Feffman@MVPTrackTime.com

Feffman 12-31-2011 07:51 AM

We've received a number of inquiries about entry fees for MVP Track Time's (www.MVPTrackTime.com) 2012 track events. This same information is on our web site, so no one gets a "surprise" when they register. The dates and entry fees for our 2012 track events are listed below.

April 14 - 15, 2012: Putnam Park - SOLD OUT

June 11, 2012: Autobahn Country Club (FULL 3.56 mile track) - SOLD OUT

July 7 - 8, 2012: Road America:
$375-Weekend
$250-Single Day


August 6, 2012: Autobahn Country Club II (FULL 3.56 mile track) - $250

October 13 - 14, 2012: Road America:
$375-Weekend
$250-Single Day


November 17 - 18, 2012: Road Atlanta:
$400-Weekend
$250-Single Day



All info and registration is available on our "Track Day Registration" page of the web site at:

http://www.MVPTrackTime.com/id47.html


As always, we schedule a minimum of six, 20-minute run sessions for each of the three run groups daily. Complimentary, qualified instructors are available for the Novice drivers.

Please feel free to call (314) 249-3770 or e-mail Feffman@MVPTrackTime.com if you need more information. All are welcome. Happy Motoring!

Feff

Feffman 01-28-2012 07:09 AM

Putnam Park is Sold Out

Feff

Feffman 03-03-2012 07:55 AM

Wet on Satruday at Putnam Park, but perfect on Sunday.

Feff

Feffman 03-26-2012 06:27 AM

The Novice and Intermediate run groups for June 11th at Autobahn Country Club are full.

Limited spots remain in the Advanced group for June 11th. I hope to see the E46 gang at the track.

Registration is available at: http://www.mvptracktime.com/id47.html

Feff

Feffman 04-21-2012 10:42 AM

June 1tth at Autobahn Country Club is sold out.

Feff

Feffman 06-02-2012 12:32 PM

July 7-8 at Road America is sold out.

Feff

Feffman 06-30-2012 10:23 PM

We couldn't have asked for better weather and a better group of drivers at Road America July 7-8, barring one driver in the novice run group we asked to leave at lunch.

Great turn out of cars, including some VERY fast E46s, and a fantastic group of people to BS and drive with.

Feff

Feffman 07-11-2012 05:56 AM

August 6th at Autobahn is sold out.

Feff

Feffman 08-08-2012 06:30 AM

Road America is sold out.

Feff

Feffman 09-17-2012 06:24 AM

Looks like we may be getting a little soggy at Road America this weekend. OH joy!

Feff

Feffman 10-10-2012 10:24 AM

Good Day All:

Our Road Atlanta track weekend November 17-18 is 75% full (only one noivce spot remaining). All info and registration is available on our "Track Day Registration" page of the web site at:

http://www.MVPTrackTime.com/id47.html

Feel free to call me at (314) 249-3770 or e-mail Feffman@MVPTrackTime.com if you have any questions.

Feff

Bayerische E46 10-10-2012 05:11 PM

Hi Feff,

I have a question about your session lengths: why does MVP run a 20 minute/6 session format rather than the 30 minute/4-5 session format many other clubs use? I'm not complaining about TOTAL TRACK TIME as I do understand that you offer 6 sessions a day; 2+ hours/day is great. My "apprehension," if you like, is that it takes about 10-15 minutes to get up to speed (both the driver and the car), leaving only 5 minutes of solid run-time. But here's my bigger concern (of course, please correct me if my concerns are misplaced): say you encounter a little problem with your car that you have to sort out - under your format, a driver only has 40 minutes (i.e. 2 20 minute sessions assuming a 3-group format) to come off track, get to the stall, take temps, unsuit, fix the problem, drink/eat, digest, suit back up, and head back out. 40 minutes is a hell of a short interval between sessions, if I'm honest. Hell, 60 minutes is already a bit tight - and that's even if you don't have any mechanical issues. But 40 minutes? Yikes. I dunno...how have you guys found the 20 minute sessions to work for you? Have you tried fewer but longer (i.e. 30 minute) sessions? Basically, for what reason(s) does MVP use the 20/6 format instead of a 30/4-5 format? I'm sure there must be some compelling reason; it's just that I'm not really seeing it. Hope you can help out. :)

In case you're wondering, I'm asking/poking/critiquing because I just moved to the Midwest and am considering buying MVP's full 2013 "package"...

Thanks!

bigjae1976 10-16-2012 01:11 PM

I think 6/20 min sessions makes sense for novices and low intermediates. Many don't have the tires, brakes, and physical/mental endurance to do 30 min sessions. Many don't have harnesses too so they get worn out a little more.

For an advanced student, 30 min is no problem. I would hope by the time you get to the advanced level you've learned to prep your car and yourself.

With that, I think it would be too confusing to run different session times for different groups. Which is probably why many DE orgs go with 20 minute sessions.

Bayerische E46 10-16-2012 01:45 PM

I started doing DEs with 30-minute sessions. I never had a problem with fatigue after only 30 minutes. Sure, I was knackered at day's end, but that's expected. Anyways, even if, as you say, 30 minute sessions are too long for a beginner (a statement I disagree with), I still firmly believe that 40 minutes between session is simply too short of a time to get anything done before heading back out; I hope that's one point we could both agree on.

Anyhow, I do agree that there should not be different session lengths between groups; if they were not, scheduling (as you said) would be a PITA.

In any event I'd really like to hear MVP's reasoning behind their 20 minute format. :)

bigjae1976 10-16-2012 02:31 PM

I know the driver's edge here in tx require novice drivers to use street tires. Street tires are good for about 15 min for the most part. Which explains why they limit the sessions to 20 min.

Anyone can drive for 30 min. Again, the concern with the groups I drive with is safety. I know I would not be doing very well past the 20 min mark when I was a beginner. You're in sensory overload the entire time.

Bayerische E46 10-16-2012 02:50 PM

Not that I want to go back and forth, but...I'm gunna go back and forth. Generally speaking, street tires are only good for 15 minutes with an experienced driver. A novice who's overcookin' street tires on a real road course (i.e. not autocross) is more than likely driving beyond his or her limits; an instructor would know this and tell the student to keep the pace down. Even if a novice was sufficiently talented to cook up a set of street tires during a 30-minute session, he or she would have an instructor in the car who would feel the tires starting to go and instruct the student accordingly.

As an aside, I've been doing this for three years and I still sometimes use street tires when I feel I'm getting complacent with R-Comps (i.e. when I feel that the R-Comps are saving me from my mistakes). So I go back to basics; and I don't over-cook my street tires; if I did, I'd slow down or come in.

Being on track is not just about going fast and having endurance; it's also about learning about your personal limits and those of the car and then acting accordingly. In other words, being on track is about learning personal restraint and responsibility; "growing," if you will.

I still maintain that 30 minute sessions are better. If a student can't handle a 30 minute stint the instructor will either instruct the student to slow or go in. It may be frustrating, but limiting yourself is one of this hobby's many challenges. Arguably, anyone who doesn't realize their limits or worse (e.g. realizes them and pushes forward with disregard) shouldn't be on track.

My $0.02

bigjae1976 10-16-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayerische E46 (Post 14819684)
I still maintain that 30 minute sessions are better. If a student can't handle a 30 minute stint the instructor will either instruct the student to slow or go in. It may be frustrating, but limiting yourself is one of this hobby's many challenges. Arguably, anyone who doesn't realize their limits or worse (e.g. realizes them and pushes forward with disregard) shouldn't be on track.

My $0.02

If I were in a novice, I'd be a little p.o'd that I'm not getting all of the time that I paid for if I were coming in early. Even moreso if everyone knows that street tires can't or unlikely to last the entire 30 minutes yet the sessions are 30 minutes.

These DEs are always geared more towards novice and intermediates. Most advanced drivers will eventually move on to other things. Club racing, chump car, instructing, become track members or quit altogether because it gets too expensive. One of the downers about moving up in the DE ranks is that you sacrifice for the newer drivers. In most cases, I've seen the advanced session the first to be cut shorter due to incidents in any group.

But I am now curious to see the reason behind 20 vs 30 minute sessions in this case.

Feffman 10-17-2012 06:04 AM

Without spending a ton of time typing a response, we run 20-25 minute sessions for safety purposes (physical fatigue, mechanical car issues, etc.) for all run groups. In the six seasons we've used this format, most people like it.

One thing you'll notice, they are true 20-25 minutes sessions as we have a 5 minute break between sessions to clear the track for the next run group.

Hope you'll join us 2013+ at the track. Happy Motoring.

Feff

bigjae1976 10-17-2012 10:21 AM

I'll be moving to Milwaukee soon...so I will be joining you guys in 2013!


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