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sambo_eddo 04-20-2012 03:01 PM

Stance 325xi Wagon
 
Ok, for starters I am aware that a good majority of people are not into the whole "stance" idea and that's cool. I'm not here to push it onto anyone and I respect your opinion on it. I'm also not looking to be told how silly it looks over and over. Agree to disagree. lol. That aside, here is what I am trying to do. I have a 2003 325xi Wagon. From the research I have done it seems like several people have said "it's not a good idea" but there is not much more detail then that. I have purchased a set 18x10 et25 wheels and 225 40 tires. Also, becuase KW is almost the only company making coilovers for the awd wagons I have ordered those as well. I have mounted the 18x10's on the car with the current stock suspension and there was no issues besides obviously needing to pull some negative camber which may be just enough by lowering it. There was about an inch from the inside wheel bead and the front shock so hopefully the KW's aren't a ton larger in diameter of the stockers. I am really looking for someone to tell me exactly the reasons why it won't work at all or for someone who has done it before and can confirm it will work. Until that I suppose I'll be moving forward with the trial and error. Again, I'm kind of just intrigued by the challenge of what several seem to think will be difficult or next to impossible. I'm also not a stubborn idiot so if someone knows more about the idea and can say definietly that "this is why it cant be done and you will not be able to overcome this" then I will have to go less aggressive with my setup I suppose.

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/s...418_173704.jpg

SamDoe1 04-20-2012 03:11 PM

First of all stance looks like sh!t and you look like a moron for doing it.

Now with that out of the way, I doubt it'll work from a purely physical point of view. With a stock height car, there is enough space for a ET25 10" rim to stick out (no matter how retarded it looks). When you lower it or, god forbid, slam it...that space goes away. Without the ride height, you will run into fender rubbing issues pretty quick.

Second of all, the reason that people say coilovers are no good on an xi is because they severely limit the available suspension travel. They work well on an RWD car because they inherently have more suspension travel to work with, an Xi has a lot less. It has nothing to do with blown up drive axles, all that will happen there is a loose boot allowing the grease out. Stay on top of it, and you'll be fine there. But without suspension travel it'll ride like crap and beat up the body/shock towers/suspension mounts/your back. Not to mention the previously noted rubbing issues. Also, if you like to drink things while you drive I suggest you change your habit before you go to coils.

Ugh, I can't believe I'm answering a stance question. :facepalm:

At least you asked nicely. :hi:

sambo_eddo 04-20-2012 03:36 PM

well thanks for not going too harshly on me. lol. Like I said, I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea and that's totally cool. I've gone down many different routes with builds from lifted wranglers to built street cars. This is just somethign new I haven't done yet and want to try out. Why not try it on something less done. As for the fender rubbing issues. The car is scheduled to have the fenders rolled and pulled May 9th. I would think that should increase my "lowered space" quite a bit. I am just assuming now that I will need to adjust camber around a bit so front camber plates will be ordered as well as rear camber adjusting kit if those are available. I look at ride quality, fender rubbing and those sort of issues as "relatively cureable" things to run into. By "thats a bad idea and cant be done" I was looking more for issues like the front axles binding from harsh angles or something not really "cureable".

domcreates 04-20-2012 05:11 PM

I can't wait to see you do it :) I know that one person on this forum with a E46 sedan did the same set up your trying to do but the XXR's were silver and not lemon lime. I was very interested to see how the color looked from NLM.

The guy with the sedan took down his pictures though. Or I can't find them anymore, either way. :/

Can you mount the wheels again and take some pictures? Front and back. You might do better with some 225/35 tires?

EDIT: And I really want to see you do this so please don't get chased out by all the people that are going to flame you. Hopefully everyone will be mature for once and let you mod your car the way you want to :)

sambo_eddo 04-20-2012 06:13 PM

Thanks a lot whooty! So far the people who have said not to do it but haven't given reasons why not have just been motivation. SamDoe1 has been the first person to actually back up his opinion which gives him a lot more respect from me. :thumbup: It's good to hear someone with a sedan has gone this route. I'm not sure what the difference is suspension wise between the sedan and wagon xi's. I know KW had different part #'s for each. If the coilovers just plain out don't leave enough room for 10's up front I can use another set of XXR's I have that are the same exact wheels only flat bronze and 8.5" up front 10" rears. That's the back up plan I'd really rather not have to use. As for pictures, I can bolt them up this sunday and snap some. When I originally bolted the wheels up on the car a 35 series tire was on the test wheel and it just wasnt enough sidewall for me. I really think the very first pothole and BOOM the wheel would be gone. Plus even though a 40 an 35 isn't a huge difference, thats just a little bit lower I don't have to go with a car that seems like is already going to be a pain to get low enough. keep an eye out for the photos this weekend. I dont think I'll bail on this project. The problem you will have with me, if anything, will be selling it as soon as I have it just how I want it. I have a habit of being bored as soon as I meet my goal.

sweet jones 04-20-2012 06:26 PM

cant wait to see the outcome. the color of the wheel is crazy but if thats what you like. i'll be fitting some wheels on my wagon in a couple of months but thats with M bodywork and air. good luck.

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domcreates 04-20-2012 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sambo_eddo (Post 14314199)
Thanks a lot whooty!

Are you going to roll and pull your fenders to help them fit?

sambo_eddo 04-21-2012 10:16 AM

yes. The car is scheduled to have the fenders rolled and pulled by Reggie's Motorwerks here in Indiana on May 9th. My coilovers should be here next friday or the beginning of the following week. Other then that I believe a camber kit on all four corners will be all I'll need. I had the service engine light come on yesterday w/ a p1345 code so I guess I will be doing plugs and the cylinder coil tomorrow morning. yipee! Window tint all the way around on Monday too. The car has been "de-roof racked" already as well.

White_Knuckles 04-21-2012 11:30 AM

Something of interest I spotted about axle drive angle change when lowered is boot shredding. The accordion folds can bind against each other where rubbing wears the creased areas therefore fail quicker. The poster found by stretching the boot out longer then the factory clamp point prevents this. Seems reasonable.

Clamps seem to loosen no matter what. I've re-booted and had the inner clamps replaced as they magically loosened. The shop said they have issues getting them tight even with the proper tools/technique. Some use stainless, worm-screw clamps and have luck without balance issues. See how the boot looks when installed, try the stretch trick and clamp 'em tight.

sambo_eddo 04-21-2012 11:44 AM

Thanks alot White_Knuckles! That all makes sense and will be something to look at when I get in there. When I looked the car over before purchase the axles looked to be recently replaced. No boot issues that were obvious. Right now my main concern is if the KW's will get me low enough because they advertise about a 2 1/2" drop. I'm afraid I may need more on 18's with a 40 series tire to tuck the sidewall right behind the fender.

Snik 04-21-2012 11:49 AM

dont know sh1t bout Xi's but i would love to see you do this.
I suspect the axles and cv joints wont like being lowered aggressively, but whatever, fuk them CV joints anyway.

redbull 325is 04-22-2012 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sambo_eddo (Post 14315689)
Thanks alot White_Knuckles! That all makes sense and will be something to look at when I get in there. When I looked the car over before purchase the axles looked to be recently replaced. No boot issues that were obvious. Right now my main concern is if the KW's will get me low enough because they advertise about a 2 1/2" drop. I'm afraid I may need more on 18's with a 40 series tire to tuck the sidewall right behind the fender.

i'm not sure there are coils out there that will allow you to tuck tire on an xi, I could be wrong, just haven't seen any *shrug*

White_Knuckles 04-22-2012 01:48 PM

If she's going low and stiffer with the KW's, I'm pretty sure beefing up the strut towers and shock mounts is in order. Forces and energy transfer will change adding stress to known weak spots. Preventing mushroomed towers or torn rear mounts is a must. Man, that thing may look cool but will ride like a buckboard. Forget about trying to drink a beverage while rolling.

sambo_eddo 04-23-2012 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by White_Knuckles (Post 14318080)
If she's going low and stiffer with the KW's, I'm pretty sure beefing up the strut towers and shock mounts is in order. Forces and energy transfer will change adding stress to known weak spots. Preventing mushroomed towers or torn rear mounts is a must. Man, that thing may look cool but will ride like a buckboard. Forget about trying to drink a beverage while rolling.

What do you mean by beefing up the shock tower mounts? double plating with steel plates? bracing bolted in?




I didn't get a chance to bolt up the wheel and take picture this weekend unfortunately. But today the tint was installed and the grille was broken and falling out (like i've seen on alot of these cars) so I spent $15 and made a cheap fix of it that actually looks pretty good. Also, first pics without the roof rack as well.

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/s...423_201737.jpg

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/s...423_201717.jpg

White_Knuckles 04-23-2012 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sambo_eddo (Post 14322842)
What do you mean by beefing up the shock tower mounts? double plating with steel plates? bracing bolted in?

There are several aftermarket kits made to reinforce the shock mounting points with bolt on plates. There are similar strut tower plates and even crossbars that span the towers to "beef" it up. Search the General section for "shock mounts, strut mounts". All mounts are normally replaced as well.


http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-325...ount/ES257693/

http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-325...late/ES128656/

325inthe510 04-23-2012 11:28 PM

Just set it on fire now and save it from suffering as a helladerp stancefags toy.

Buy yourself some passat pos with the insurance money and never return.

323ci newbie 04-23-2012 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whooty (Post 14314035)
I can't wait to see you do it :) I know that one person on this forum with a E46 sedan did the same set up your trying to do but the XXR's were silver and not lemon lime. I was very interested to see how the color looked from NLM.

The guy with the sedan took down his pictures though. Or I can't find them anymore, either way. :/

Can you mount the wheels again and take some pictures? Front and back. You might do better with some 225/35 tires?

EDIT: And I really want to see you do this so please don't get chased out by all the people that are going to flame you. Hopefully everyone will be mature for once and let you mod your car the way you want to :)

Do you really want to take advice from Dominic G. aka one of the most hated members evar aka stance *** aka butthole aka don't make me bring gheybe into this

Drew@Swift Motorworks 04-24-2012 12:28 AM

As people have mentioned, the reason XIs arent slammed frequently is because the wear it puts axles and cv joints. Just be prepared and set aside the money to change them more often.

M00P 04-24-2012 12:34 AM

That wagon is gonna look so good with those green wheels.

I hope it works out for you. Fukk people who discourage you in life.

Seriously, Fukc them all!

mkodama 04-24-2012 02:00 AM

Those wheels look cheap and ugly and aren't going to fit. Might as well ruin your bumper, door, and body panel fitment while you are at it.


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