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AlpinTXiX 06-28-2012 11:37 PM

Chris Harris: E46 M3 is the perfect sports car
 
Looks like we made a good choice gents

Is Technology Making Cars Worse? - ROAD TESTAMENT - YouTube

OzJustin 07-03-2012 05:34 AM

That was a really interesting watch. Thanks for sharing.

Definately promotes the M3 up to E46 series in a very positive light. ;)

M Shark 07-03-2012 09:41 AM

Makes me want to keep my M3 for as long as I can. Especially since mine has no sunroof, no powered seats, no navigation, and all that waste of weight and space that most M3's have. I'm sure down the road (20-30 yrs? maybe) this would be worth something.

jeskaM3 07-03-2012 04:26 PM

Chris Harris knows his stuff. I love that he thinks so highly of my car. I also love that he likes the "clean" ones (minimal to no mods).

KrasivataSabine 07-03-2012 04:50 PM

I share the sentiment expressed here. Driving pleasure is involvement, feeling connected to the machine. I feel like that view is given little appreciation these days.

capttrousers 07-06-2012 02:19 PM

Good little film! Thanks for posting

beemdubya 07-06-2012 02:33 PM

e46///m FTW!!!!

daki_bmw 10-08-2012 12:07 PM

BUMP...'cause it's true!

peytonracer4 10-08-2012 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M Shark (Post 14538331)
Makes me want to keep my M3 for as long as I can. Especially since mine has no sunroof, no powered seats, no navigation, and all that waste of weight and space that most M3's have. I'm sure down the road (20-30 yrs? maybe) this would be worth something.

why?
look back in time. what'd be an awesome e30 to have? one with optional heated seats? with electric windows? with abs?
things that are ahead of it's time when the car is released are always desirable.
an m3 that has technology that is 10 years behind probably won't be worth more than others.

makecopies 10-08-2012 12:38 PM

All my cars are manual and they will always be manual because I'm a MAN

bmwTuner1 10-08-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makecopies (Post 14797213)
All my cars are manual and they will always be manual because I'm a MAN


Firstboost 10-08-2012 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peytonracer4 (Post 14797183)
why?
look back in time. what'd be an awesome e30 to have? one with optional heated seats? with electric windows? with abs?
things that are ahead of it's time when the car is released are always desirable.
an m3 that has technology that is 10 years behind probably won't be worth more than others.

I disagree...

Down the road, someone isn't going to be thinking about the bells and whistles, expesically in a car that didn't have many to begin with. The E46 wasn't really AHEAD of the time in 2001. Hell, you're talking about a car, that in 2001, had a HUGE car phone in the center console.

What M Shark means, is that since his, and MY M3 are more rare(mine is a ZCP along with no sunroof/power seats among many other unique features), they will demand a premium down the road.

I already have people asking if I'm selling, and they're willing to shell out $27K at the drop of a hat for a 2006 ZCP with 70K on the clock. I don't think anyone is going to see that kind of money for a standard 2006 M3 fully loaded with even less miles. Keep in mind I don't have bi-xenon lights, HK sound, or cruise control. I do have heated non-power seats with headlight washers though... another unique option package the PO asked for from BMW.

peytonracer4 10-08-2012 11:07 PM

eh maybe. maybe with the lack of sunroof and a rare color combo.
but honestly, nobody gives a rats ass about manual seats. if anything it's just an annoyance. it's also very easy to change and will not make a car more or less desirable in the future.
also in 1999 a fully loaded e46 was pretty freakin advanced. had optional navigation, xenon headlamps, 17" wheels.
even in the luxury market those things were rare.

HyeWarrior 10-08-2012 11:23 PM

If I can find a CLEAN 6 speed E46 M3 when the time comes, this would be no question, but its a dying breed

M Shark 10-09-2012 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peytonracer4 (Post 14798499)
eh maybe. maybe with the lack of sunroof and a rare color combo.
but honestly, nobody gives a rats ass about manual seats. if anything it's just an annoyance. it's also very easy to change and will not make a car more or less desirable in the future.
also in 1999 a fully loaded e46 was pretty freakin advanced. had optional navigation, xenon headlamps, 17" wheels.
even in the luxury market those things were rare.

Don't forget the weight disparity of having power seats and manual seats. And have you used manual seats before? It's way quicker to adjust than powered seats.

Also listen to about 8:50 on the video and what Mr Harris has to say about cars that have lesser technology in them.

DSilk56 10-09-2012 09:04 AM

The only M3 that will carry a substantial premium over the "standard" model will be the one that was never offered for sale in North America: the CSL. That having been said, the M3 has always been a relatively spartan car, compared with other premium market cars of its era, but this was done deliberately. While the M3 may not have offered cutting edge electronics, what it did offer was cutting-edge performance at the price. While 333 bhp and a 4.7 second naught to 60 acceleration time are relatively commonplace in 2012, they weren't in 2001. The 2001 Porsche 911 (which cost substantially more money) had less power than the M3, and wasn't any quicker. Even the 2001 Corvette only had something like 350 bhp, and that was out of a 6.2 litre engine. Specific power output exceeding 100 bhp per litre from an engine without forced-induction was rare in 2001 (indeed, it still is). Yes, the current M3 is more powerful (414 bhp), as power outputs have climbed over the past decade, but the newer cars are even bigger and heavier, and rely even more on computerized assists for everything. The more work the computer does, the faster the car may be, but the more irrelevant the driver becomes. As I have always said, a 2012 Toyota Camry is both more powerful and faster than a 1963 Jaguar E-Type, but I know which one I'd rather be driving (and it isn't Japanese).

3ric 10-09-2012 09:21 AM

I believe a zcp manual will carry a premium. I just bought one at a premium as they are hard to get in Interlagos blue with a cinnamon interior. A car is worth what the right buyer will pay and for many these features are sought after and supply is limited, therefore price will reflect that.

paulyyd 10-09-2012 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makecopies (Post 14797213)
All my cars are manual and they will always be manual because I'm a MAN

This

choxor 10-09-2012 10:21 AM

Can you get milk from those things? haha.

It would be neato if it commanded a premium one day, but it's a moot point to me as I plan on keeping mine indefinitely.

TonyDiv 10-09-2012 10:32 AM

The e46 certainly seems to be getting better, mainly because the new 3 series SUCKS. The sporty-ness is so watered down compared to our cars. I really don't like the direction that BMW is headed. And the fact that they completely jumped the shark on the entire naming convention isn't helping. The 2012 328i isn't even a 2.8L any more. The new car should be named the 320t for its 2.0l turbo. Apparently, if you want something that feels like an e46, you need to buy a 1 series.


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