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SpeedDemon 10-28-2012 02:22 AM

E46 more fun than E92
...Ok, not really. My new E92 M3 is amazing, but almost every time I drive it I wish I was behind the wheel of my E46 ZHP. I guess it all depends on how you define what makes a better car though. The E92 is definitely faster around the track and it is dangerously fast on the street, but I generally have 100% more fun driving around the E46 (although, maybe I've just been missing the E46 though because its been at my buddy's shop ever since I got my E92).

Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely happy to have an E92 M3 with M-DCT, AST coilovers, AP Racing BBK, Akrapovic exhaust, Volk TE-37 wheels, etc. It looks, feels, and sounds amazing. It all comes down to the amount of effort involved in driving the car to the point of having fun. In my E46, having fun regularly involves riding the car at the absolute limits of what the car can deliver whereas it is often times extremely difficult outside of a track (and even on a track) to find a place where the E92 can really be pushed all the way to the point where you're at its limit. There is something that is just fun about burying your foot to the floor and having the fun last longer (slower)! A nicely set up E46 delivers this whereas the fun is over almost before its even begun with the E92.

Maybe I'll change my mind as I get to know the E92 a little bit better, but just figured I'd through that out there for anyone who has wondered what its like comparing the different generations.

M3LIKECHIPS 10-28-2012 09:15 PM

Where in the world do you live that you're able to reach the E46's limits on the street?

SpeedDemon 10-29-2012 12:23 PM

The limit is relative to what you're doing with the car. Its fairly easy to take any E46 around a really windy road or turn with the car at the limit and still stay below the speed limit or just slightly above. Its also pretty easy to floor the car and take off onto the freeway on an onramp and get a full 5+ second of enjoyment out of the acceleration.

I'm not saying that I drive around like an idiot breaking the law. That wasn't my intention. But on that note, if you have a car that has a much higher limit, then it is harder to push it to that limit while staying within what's legal on the road.

Drive safe and please don't misunderstand what I was saying.

MasterC17 10-29-2012 05:57 PM

I understand what you mean. I had signifigatly more fun driving my E34 LeMons car at NHMS this weekend than I do the M3. Likewise, I have more fun driving the M3 on the street than the M5. The more power the less useable, so to speak, it is. It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car fast.

SpeedDemon 10-29-2012 05:59 PM

Or to even tweak that just a little more... its more fun to drive a slow car fast at 10/10ths than a fast car faster at 7/10ths.

Andy2108 11-05-2012 10:48 AM

I agree. I think its is a lot of what constitutes the M vs. non-m debate

bigjae1976 11-05-2012 11:30 AM

Part of it is you're much more hesitant to wreck a $45k-$55k car than a $10k E46.

I also agree. My FI'd E46 330 is about 15-20 hp down (maybe) with about 40 more wtq vs my E90 M3. Despite all of the issues I've had with my E46 I still enjoy the car on the track a LOT more than my M3. The E46 is a lot more tactile. I run on a track with a superspeedway oval as part of the front straight. I hit 140+ MPH at the end of it in my E46 and it feels fast. I hit the 155mph speed limiter in my E90 and it feels like I'm going 100mph. In fact, I almost went off the f'ing track because I didn't think I was going that fast and didn't brake enough.

Basically, a buddy who usually rides with me at the track as a passenger made an observation. I can be going 80mph through a corner in my E90 and it feels like nothing. I can go the same speed through the same corner in my E46 and he's holding on to the armrest for dear life.

There's something about hanging on a vette's bumper down the straight in my "lowly" E46. Don't knock the E9X M3. It is an amazing machine FAR beyond my capabilities to drive at the limit.

MrPedals 11-05-2012 02:28 PM

Lol, same argument applies here when comparing my e46 m3 vs. my e30 325is. E30 is easier to find the limit in regular driving, and cheaper to fix as well. This is one reason I'm highly interested in the Toyota/subaru fr-s

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dreamdrivedrift 11-08-2012 12:58 AM

I'm glad to see a lot of sense in this thread. I concur wholeheartedly.

At some points in time, I feel my E36 is too fast to have fun with on the streets :confused:, and it's not exactly a fast car in a straight line.

SpeedDemon 11-08-2012 02:32 AM

There is just something rewarding and fun about driving a BMW with a lower relative limit. I don't know how many of you are subscribers of evo mag, but the latest issue is their annual eCoty (evo Car of the Year) issue. The only BMW in the lineup was the new M135i and it ranked really high for what it is. Even the guys that are driving McLarens and Pagani Huwararyayayas think it is a lot of fun to drive a simpler BMW.

Riverbmr3 11-09-2012 03:18 PM

after office work, jump on my e46 325, lower the front windows and floored the accelerator, always fun....

webster 11-09-2012 05:09 PM

with the E46 you got the smooth I-6, sublime suspension and steering feel, great brakes and best of all a perfect 50-50 weight distrubition. even in a 323 all of those aspects still apply. it makes the E46 amazingly fun to drive at all engine/trim levels.

straight_beamin 11-09-2012 05:25 PM


wardpower 11-09-2012 05:46 PM

My 99 328i is awesome to drive. When it bites the dust all I really want is another E46.

copracr 11-09-2012 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by MasterC17 (Post 14856423)
I understand what you mean. I had signifigatly more fun driving my E34 LeMons car at NHMS this weekend than I do the M3. Likewise, I have more fun driving the M3 on the street than the M5. The more power the less useable, so to speak, it is. It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car fast.

I had a dodge omni when I was 17. stick shift, driven to its raging limits was a total blast. Best part was all that tire peeling and squeeling and I couldnt break the law on purpose in most places.

bigjae1976 11-09-2012 08:14 PM

Lol...I drove a vette when I was 16. A chevette. It had a fire breathing, silky smooth V6...GM for some reason forgot to add the other bank of cylinders to my car.

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