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323tom 11-02-2012 03:38 PM

Need suggestions what Clutch to handle 1100+ WHP
 
Hey guys so what clutch would be able to handle 1100 whp+/900+ wtrq, my car should be at these levels soon enough once SP gets some time to build me a tubular mani and up the NOS shot to 200 HP :)

Which means I doubt the STG 3 HPF clutch will be able to handle up to these power levels... I have talked with a few vendors and they believe even the Tilton may not handle these power levels? At this point the price is irrelevant I just want a clutch that will handle the power :evil:

MarcusLSB 11-02-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 323tom (Post 14866413)
Hey guys so what clutch would be able to handle 1100 whp+/900+ wtrq, my car should be at these levels soon enough once SP gets some time to build me a tubular mani and up the NOS shot to 200 HP :)

Which means I doubt the STG 3 HPF clutch will be able to handle up to these power levels... I have talked with a few vendors and they believe even the Tilton may not handle these power levels? At this point the price is irrelevant I just want a clutch that will handle the power :evil:

Noone has made that power and pushed it for extended periods of time, so anyones guess is just that.. A guess.

I've had no issues with my os giken triple, and a tilton triple carbon should have no problems either. I think os giken (or tilton) also makes a quad.

323tom 11-02-2012 05:20 PM

I spoke with a rep at os giken and be said the rc4 was tested on a guys car in Sweden but did not fit and that's what alot of the supra guys use with high hp... He said the rc3 would only be good for 1000ish... So pretty much same as my current stg 3 hpf clutch...

sniperm 11-02-2012 10:41 PM

Dont they have like special carbon clutches ? $6K and up? for this kinda power..

What do supra guys use?

mkodama 11-02-2012 10:49 PM

Why not first make that power, and then see if your current clutch actually slips?

Wait, but then you couldn't brag about numbers. :rofl:

Bdave 11-03-2012 01:19 AM

I thought HPF's Master clutch "Bronze" was up to that task. Have you thought of asking them? They are oddly absent from this thread. They have plans for cars at that beyond 1000 HP and I am pretty sue they have a clutch lined up.

Commanderwiggin 11-03-2012 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bdave (Post 14867558)
I thought HPF's Master clutch "Bronze" was up to that task. Have you thought of asking them? They are oddly absent from this thread. They have plans for cars at that beyond 1000 HP and I am pretty sue they have a clutch lined up.

Lol what inside connection do you have? Southbend makes the clutches for HPF...w/e you want southbend will build.

Fimpen 11-03-2012 05:40 AM

Maybe have a chat with this guy: http://www.e46fanatics.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=908129

Think he is around 1100hp now. If I remember right he mentioned what clutch he use in that thread.

323tom 11-03-2012 12:25 PM

Ya the Tilton but apparently that may not even hold up the power goals I am looking for
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Originally Posted by sniperm (Post 14867282)
Dont they have like special carbon clutches ? $6K and up? for this kinda power..

What do supra guys use?

Lol. That can cause more damage then good?
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Originally Posted by mkodama (Post 14867304)
Why not first make that power, and then see if your current clutch actually slips?

Wait, but then you couldn't brag about numbers. :rofl:

Ya I spoke with HPF Chris and he believe the new STG 3 clutch with the riveted design probably wont handle much more than 1000-1100whp..Is this the "Bronze" clutch you speak of? Also HPF uses a dynojet so all there numbers read higher vs a mustang dyno like SP uses.
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Originally Posted by Bdave (Post 14867558)
I thought HPF's Master clutch "Bronze" was up to that task. Have you thought of asking them? They are oddly absent from this thread. They have plans for cars at that beyond 1000 HP and I am pretty sue they have a clutch lined up.

Maybe I should give Southbend a call
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Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin (Post 14867578)
Lol what inside connection do you have? Southbend makes the clutches for HPF...w/e you want southbend will build.

I have not spoken with him but I read he is looking for a new clutch setup as well, maybe I will PM him and see if he has found any solutions... I believe he currently uses the OS giken RC3 if im not mistaken.
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Originally Posted by Fimpen (Post 14867692)
Maybe have a chat with this guy: http://www.e46fanatics.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=908129

Think he is around 1100hp now. If I remember right he mentioned what clutch he use in that thread.


Bdave 11-03-2012 01:17 PM

No, Tom. I knew I read about it somewhere. Talk to HPF about the Clutch Masters (not master Clutch) FX850 twin BRONZE("bronze bronze") set up.'Its what Pat got instead of a Stage 3 feramic. Tom, if HPF did not tell you about this, then it most likely is not strong enough. I just thought it might be.
I know Chris recently posted his desire to get HPF up closer to the big boys with 1200 and maybe more RWHP. That is one of the reasons for bringing John Reed on board. So, they (HPF) darn well better have a clutch lined up.


HPF Erik wrote:
"More than meets the eye here. The clutch had done so much damage to the flywheel that it was unusable. Originally we were going to use an HPF stage 3 but between the cost of a new OEM flywheel and a HPF stage 3 clutch it was more cost effective to go this route. The CM twin is something that we have used on a couple cars now and have made a few tweaks too it. instead of the FX700 we are using an FX850 "bronze bronze" setup. It has very manageable engagement and is incredibly durable. Pat you should be happy with this setup."

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...masters&page=3



If not, then most definitely I would be calling South Bend. Give them as much info as possible and they will most likely be able to BUILD you what you need.
South Bend is awesome.

323tom 11-03-2012 02:59 PM

Thx for the post Dave, I spoke with Chris about the FX850 and it seems like that clutch will not hold up... I will call south bend on monday and we will see what they have to say

Bdave 11-03-2012 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 323tom (Post 14868360)
Thx for the post Dave, I spoke with Chris about the FX850 and it seems like that clutch will not hold up... I will call south bend on monday and we will see what they have to say

Ah. So, I wonder where the FX850 stands in all this. It is very expensive. A good bit more expensive than the Stage 3, a dual disc, etc.
I am thinking it must be stronger than the Stage 3. Just curious. This doesn't help your cause.

Dimes to dollars South Bend will get you hooked up with something incredible. Maybe YOU will be getting what will be the future HPF Stage FOUR clutch. LOL.
But seriously. That may end up being the case.

Just make sure you let them know HOW your power is made. The hard NOS hit (all that extra power instantaneously) may make a difference when they design a clutch for you.

Good luck! You still have all sorts of things to iron out. But they all have solutions, I am sure. Do you plan on trying for any records like 1/4 mile, mile, 60-130? You will eventually be perfectly set up to do so.

HPF Chris 11-04-2012 02:28 PM

That's quite a bit of torque. You definitely will need a dual or triple disk and most likely a carbon material. Carbon clutches suck for launching and especially daily driving but they hold a lot more power. Or you could do an auto :)

Chris.

MarcusLSB 11-04-2012 04:33 PM

I originally ordered a triple carbon from tilton but the carbon disks were back ordered for months, so I switched to the so giken rc3. It's a great clutch and I have no issues driving it. Their customer support is fantastic as well! Are you dragging the car Tom? If not the rc3 should be just fine.

323tom 11-04-2012 05:34 PM

I plan to drag it here and there definetely not every weekend but I already spoke with a rep from os giken he said the rc3 you have will not handle the hp/try goals I am looking at, maybe I will try the Tilton triple carbon, I'm in no rush my car is at SP for the cold season...
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Originally Posted by MarcusLSB (Post 14870639)
I originally ordered a triple carbon from tilton but the carbon disks were back ordered for months, so I switched to the so giken rc3. It's a great clutch and I have no issues driving it. Their customer support is fantastic as well! Are you dragging the car Tom? If not the rc3 should be just fine.


HPF Chris 11-04-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcusLSB (Post 14870639)
I originally ordered a triple carbon from tilton but the carbon disks were back ordered for months, so I switched to the so giken rc3. It's a great clutch and I have no issues driving it. Their customer support is fantastic as well! Are you dragging the car Tom? If not the rc3 should be just fine.

I ran the OS Giken triple disk as well and it had no problem holding the power. Although it wasn't 900ft-lbs. ha ha. But it may hold that much.

Chris.

Bdave 11-04-2012 06:01 PM

Kind of sux that there is no street friendly solution in a manual type clutch when you get not that far over 1000 HP. Or is it the 900 ft lbs of torque figure?

What do all the 1500 HP lambos, Ford GT's and Nissan GTR's use? Arent they at least 900ft lbs of TQ?
The Tilton triple carbon is like a gazillion dollars too!

I am a little surprised OSG didnt step up to the challenge.

Commanderwiggin 11-04-2012 06:35 PM

If southbend can make clutches that hold 1500ft lbs of torque on diesel engines...I think they may have some options for you :)

323tom 11-04-2012 07:19 PM

Like I said before I spoke with a rep at OSG and he confirmed the rc3 will not hold up to these power levels he said 1000ish whp is its limit, he said someone in Europe already had a custom made rc4 which is what alot of high hp supra guys use and the clutch did not fit... So OSG is pretty much out of the question

InDiGlOM3 11-04-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Commanderwiggin (Post 14871011)
If southbend can make clutches that hold 1500ft lbs of torque on diesel engines...I think they may have some options for you :)

Take that number and times it by three.......

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