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jeepo23 11-05-2012 08:13 AM

Broken rear coil spring - My options?
 
I have a broken rear coil spring in the rear left. What are my options?

I don't really want to put new coils on all 4 corners? I looked at realOEM but it doesnt even list part numbers?

Something special about the 330XI's and their coils? Same as 325's?

Japanrot_325i 11-05-2012 08:18 AM

Xi's are diffrent if I'm not mistaken. rock auto has stock real coilspings from kyb for pretty cheap. Same thing happened to my car except both rear were broken at the bottom. They were like that for a while (didnt catch it till i replaced the tires) and I didn't see any real problems .

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jeepo23 11-05-2012 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14872465)
Xi's are diffrent if I'm not mistaken. rock auto has stock real coilspings from kyb for pretty cheap. Same thing happened to my car except both rear were broken at the bottom. They were like that for a while (didnt catch it till i replaced the tires) and I didn't see any real problems .

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Yah I knew of this before hand. Car feels and sits level cause it snapped at the base.

Problem is I am from Canada..

I was just quoted $240 for 2 coils here in town.

The garage wants $280/coils plus 3 hours of work, but not a chance I'm doing the labor myself.

Japanrot_325i 11-05-2012 08:47 AM

Its actually really easy to do. But as long as its still seated because mine did the same you will be fine for a while. Just don't go hill hopping. Most shops act like suspension work is a huge deal so they quote you huge prices.

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jeepo23 11-05-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14872505)
Its actually really easy to do. But as long as its still seated because mine did the same you will be fine for a while. Just don't go hill hopping. Most shops act like suspension work is a huge deal so they quote you huge prices.

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Yah issue is this is MVI, so now I need it lol..

How important is it to do both rear ones at the same time?

I found them on pelican for $80/pop even after shipping+taxes might be worth to have it shipped here compared to buying a set locally for $240. Just not sure what to do as in do both or just 1.

I know the PO did suspension refresh at the dealer like 15-20k miles ago..

Japanrot_325i 11-05-2012 09:05 AM

I'd say just do one especially if it was just refreshed. I mean if you feel any difference or see any difference in ride height down the road go ahead and do the other. But in the Intrest of time and money I'd say just replace the bad one. It really shouldnt affect anything. Afterall how bad could it be compared to riding on the broken one lol. As for shipping them to you you would have to discuss that with the mechanic. I know a lot of places will only put on what they order themselves. They don't usually put on brought in parts due to if its defective it comes back on them. But like I said if you have the space,time and tools its as easy as dropping the shock.

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jeepo23 11-05-2012 09:30 AM

So is this the coil that I would need then from Pelican? My BMW doesnt have sport suspension.. doesnt have sport seats or steering wheel...

Coil Spring, Rear, Standard (2 per car, sold individually, not for cars with sport suspension), 323i/Ci, 325i/Xi/Ci, 328i/Ci, 330i/Xi/Ci Brand: Suplex
[More Info]

part: 06165-M636

Japanrot_325i 11-05-2012 09:50 AM

Standard non sport rear coil spring including your model yea that looks about right to me. I'd look at the actual website but I'm on my phone and the 3g sucks here. But I'd say that's the one you want. But like I said check with your mechanic first before you buy it.

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jeepo23 11-05-2012 11:11 AM

Just ordered one from the mechanic I know. $140 taxes in for 1 coil. Will be here tomorrow.

Sure beats the $250/set or having to order one from pelican parts or rockauto and hoping that duties don't kill me :)

Japanrot_325i 11-05-2012 11:34 AM

Well there ya go problem solved. Being 140 its probably an OEM BMW spring anyway:thumbup:. Thats what I saw them for online. Let me know how it goes.
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jeepo23 11-05-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14872967)
Well there ya go problem solved. Being 140 its probably an OEM BMW spring anyway:thumbup:. Thats what I saw them for online. Let me know how it goes.
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This weekend is the plan to swap it out. If my springs where any worse I would of considered changing the springs over to a sport like suspension but their nearly new I didn't want to spend the cash now.

Do I need to replace the spring pads on these? I see they come in different thickness, any point in getting thinner pads instead of stock for my 330xi?

Japanrot_325i 11-06-2012 05:40 AM

I'd just do everything stock replacement. That will ensure everything is gonna work properly with the setup you have now. Since the suspension was just replaced id assume the spring pads are fine but you really wont know until you get a look at them. I was also thinking some kind of sport springs myself. But I really don't wanna lower my car. To much snow and to many dead animals in the road where I live lol. But as for the rest of your suspension I'd let it be unless your going to upgrade it or it wears out. Since it was just refreshed so soon I'd say you have a while to go on it. But beware most BMW guys like to just replace things to replace them. I'd rather wait till something breaks or goes bad to drop the cash to fix it. Cause what I've seen so far BMW parts aren't cheap lol.

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jeepo23 11-06-2012 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14875441)
I'd just do everything stock replacement. That will ensure everything is gonna work properly with the setup you have now. Since the suspension was just replaced id assume the spring pads are fine but you really wont know until you get a look at them. I was also thinking some kind of sport springs myself. But I really don't wanna lower my car. To much snow and to many dead animals in the road where I live lol. But as for the rest of your suspension I'd let it be unless your going to upgrade it or it wears out. Since it was just refreshed so soon I'd say you have a while to go on it. But beware most BMW guys like to just replace things to replace them. I'd rather wait till something breaks or goes bad to drop the cash to fix it. Cause what I've seen so far BMW parts aren't cheap lol.

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Just ordered the pads from the dealer.. $40 compared to online of $20. Prices are so boosted here its unreal. Looks like I won't be able to return them either incase I don't use them.

Also, don't think the sport suspension would lower our cars. My buddy has a 330xi and it sits the same but has the sport suspension, I drove it and I loved the feel of it felt a lot tigther/firmer.

Japanrot_325i 11-06-2012 08:05 AM

Well If you don't use them you can always sell them on here or Craigslist. I meant like aftermarket sport springs like eibachs or h&rs. I've never really looked into the stock BMW sport suspension. I've seen some stuff on here for sale but seeing how I already broke 2 I don't wanna use used springs lol. This is the first BMW I've driven so I don't know how it handles compared to the sport suspension. I know my 325i handles a million times better than anything I've ever owned.

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jeepo23 11-06-2012 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14875599)
Well If you don't use them you can always sell them on here or Craigslist. I meant like aftermarket sport springs like eibachs or h&rs. I've never really looked into the stock BMW sport suspension. I've seen some stuff on here for sale but seeing how I already broke 2 I don't wanna use used springs lol. This is the first BMW I've driven so I don't know how it handles compared to the sport suspension. I know my 325i handles a million times better than anything I've ever owned.

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I hear ya.. I still dont understand.. BMW supposed to be quality.. I'm going to look at the invoices and see when the PO had these coils put on the car.. might take it back to the dealer and see what they say how is it acceptable that a coil breaks on a 60k car.

Haha good idea on the reseale on here :) Might be hard cause you folks all get your stuff for half a cost so I might not be able to recoupe that much but at least some LOL!

Japanrot_325i 11-06-2012 09:16 AM

Yea they might be able to help you out maybe it was a factory defect of some sort. I hear ya on the quality you'd think a car that was 33 grand new would last a really long time. I'm sure Someone on here will buy them they will probably try to haggle a bit bit that's with everything lol. I only find stuff cheap because I am cheap lol and I will search online for hours for the best deal. I also try to do anything I possibly can myself. Don't wanna give those pricey mechanics all my money. I had a great mechanic before but he doesn't wanna work on BMW's. So the stuff I was getting free from him before like diagnosing problems. I get charged an hour of labor at 90hr by a BMW specialist. But I guess its the price you pay to have a quick good handling car from the factory. It also doesn't help that I live in WV and our inspection would pass a milk crate on wheels. So even if there is something wrong they'd never tell me lol.

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SamDoe1 11-06-2012 01:37 PM

Ok I was going to stay out of this one and let it run its course but I should probably have stepped in a little while ago...

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Originally Posted by jeepo23 (Post 14872455)
I have a broken rear coil spring in the rear left. What are my options?

I don't really want to put new coils on all 4 corners? I looked at realOEM but it doesnt even list part numbers?

Something special about the 330XI's and their coils? Same as 325's?

You have four options.

1.) Replace with OEM, expensive and maintains stock ride height.
2.) Replace with Eibach, much cheaper, still comfortable for a daily, and modest lowering.
3.) Replace with H&R, cheaper, much less comfy, more lowering than Eibach.
4.) Replace with coilovers. You're not at this level yet.

RealOEM doesn't display part numbers but the springs for all Xi models are the same.

I recommend option 2.

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Originally Posted by jeepo23 (Post 14872469)
Yah I knew of this before hand. Car feels and sits level cause it snapped at the base.

Problem is I am from Canada..

I was just quoted $240 for 2 coils here in town.

The garage wants $280/coils plus 3 hours of work, but not a chance I'm doing the labor myself.

Jeebus that's expensive. For $240, you can buy an entire set of Eibachs (front and rear) and install them yourself in a few hours on the weekend.

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Originally Posted by jeepo23 (Post 14872511)
Yah issue is this is MVI, so now I need it lol..

How important is it to do both rear ones at the same time?

I found them on pelican for $80/pop even after shipping+taxes might be worth to have it shipped here compared to buying a set locally for $240. Just not sure what to do as in do both or just 1.

I know the PO did suspension refresh at the dealer like 15-20k miles ago..

Yes it's important. If one is broken, I can guarantee you that the other one isn't far behind.

What did the PO do for a "refresh" 15k ago? That sounds like an awful short life for the rear spring unless something got messed up.

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14872548)
I'd say just do one especially if it was just refreshed. I mean if you feel any difference or see any difference in ride height down the road go ahead and do the other. But in the Intrest of time and money I'd say just replace the bad one. It really shouldnt affect anything. Afterall how bad could it be compared to riding on the broken one lol. But like I said if you have the space,time and tools its as easy as dropping the shock.

Ummm...yes it will affect things. Springs, like shocks and struts and brakes, should be replaced in pairs. Affecting handling left to right like this can be both annoying and dangerous at the same time.

You are right in that it's cake to replace the rear ones.

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Originally Posted by jeepo23 (Post 14872603)
So is this the coil that I would need then from Pelican? My BMW doesnt have sport suspension.. doesnt have sport seats or steering wheel...

Coil Spring, Rear, Standard (2 per car, sold individually, not for cars with sport suspension), 323i/Ci, 325i/Xi/Ci, 328i/Ci, 330i/Xi/Ci Brand: Suplex
[More Info]

part: 06165-M636

Xi suspension is the same on all cars regardless of sport package. I'm not sure who the OE manufacturer is since most people, myself included, don't bother replacing OE springs with OE springs due to the breakage issue.

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Originally Posted by jeepo23 (Post 14874471)
This weekend is the plan to swap it out. If my springs where any worse I would of considered changing the springs over to a sport like suspension but their nearly new I didn't want to spend the cash now.

Do I need to replace the spring pads on these? I see they come in different thickness, any point in getting thinner pads instead of stock for my 330xi?

Spring pads in the rear are usually ok. You can drop the rear an additional 10mm by swapping spring pads but it's not required. If/when you replace the front springs, be sure to replace those pads.

If you didn't want to spend the cash now, you will be paying more than double later on. You spent more than half the cost on ONE spring compared to a WHOLE SET of Eibachs.

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14875441)
I'd just do everything stock replacement. That will ensure everything is gonna work properly with the setup you have now. Since the suspension was just replaced id assume the spring pads are fine but you really wont know until you get a look at them. I was also thinking some kind of sport springs myself. But I really don't wanna lower my car. To much snow and to many dead animals in the road where I live lol. But as for the rest of your suspension I'd let it be unless your going to upgrade it or it wears out. Since it was just refreshed so soon I'd say you have a while to go on it. But beware most BMW guys like to just replace things to replace them. I'd rather wait till something breaks or goes bad to drop the cash to fix it. Cause what I've seen so far BMW parts aren't cheap lol.

You should see how much it costs to replace something that has broken as opposed to something that is nearing that point. Let me know how it goes when your water pump or explosion tank goes and costs you $5k in engine repairs as opposed to spending ~$150 on new parts.

Also, RWD models have completely different suspensions than the AWD models. Please know what you're talking about before giving advice. I don't mean to be combative or a jerk but giving the wrong advice in this forum can cost people a lot of money in incorrect parts.

The aftermarket parts are designed to work with the OEM components, I don't see why anything would go wrong. Depending on what the PO did on a "refresh", you may or may not be nearing a whole suspension rebuild anyway.

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Originally Posted by jeepo23 (Post 14875487)
Just ordered the pads from the dealer.. $40 compared to online of $20. Prices are so boosted here its unreal. Looks like I won't be able to return them either incase I don't use them.

Also, don't think the sport suspension would lower our cars. My buddy has a 330xi and it sits the same but has the sport suspension, I drove it and I loved the feel of it felt a lot tigther/firmer.

Prices are boosted because you bought it from a dealer. Not sure what you expected, it doesn't matter when you live it's the same thing.

Again, all Xi models have the same suspension regardless of sport package. His car probably feel tighter because the suspension is in better shape than yours. Probably another indicator that it might be time for a full rebuild.

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Originally Posted by jeepo23 (Post 14875668)
I hear ya.. I still dont understand.. BMW supposed to be quality.. I'm going to look at the invoices and see when the PO had these coils put on the car.. might take it back to the dealer and see what they say how is it acceptable that a coil breaks on a 60k car.

Haha good idea on the reseale on here :) Might be hard cause you folks all get your stuff for half a cost so I might not be able to recoupe that much but at least some LOL!

I don't understand why it's impossible to believe that a 10 year old car with probably 130k on the clock has a worn out suspension.

I can tell you what they'll say at the dealer to that comment: :lmao:

It breaks because it's a 10 year old car that has a ton of miles on it that hasn't been properly maintained. The reason there are a lot of people on here have amazingly performing and functioning cars is because we're the dumbass BMW owners who replace things for the sake of doing it.

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14875770)
Yea they might be able to help you out maybe it was a factory defect of some sort. I hear ya on the quality you'd think a car that was 33 grand new would last a really long time. I'm sure Someone on here will buy them they will probably try to haggle a bit bit that's with everything lol. I only find stuff cheap because I am cheap lol and I will search online for hours for the best deal. I also try to do anything I possibly can myself. Don't wanna give those pricey mechanics all my money. I had a great mechanic before but he doesn't wanna work on BMW's. So the stuff I was getting free from him before like diagnosing problems. I get charged an hour of labor at 90hr by a BMW specialist. But I guess its the price you pay to have a quick good handling car from the factory. It also doesn't help that I live in WV and our inspection would pass a milk crate on wheels. So even if there is something wrong they'd never tell me lol.

:facepalm:

That's all I can say to this post.

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Good luck to the OP, please do the right thing and get the work done properly and far enough in advance to prevent other issues from cropping up. Doing DIY will save you a boat load of money and we're all here to help.

Japanrot_325i 11-06-2012 02:09 PM

Do you feel better?

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SamDoe1 11-06-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by E46325i03 (Post 14876724)
Do you feel better?

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Sure do! :hi:

jeepo23 11-06-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
ok i was going to stay out of this one and let it run its course but i should probably have stepped in a little while ago...



You have four options.

1.) replace with oem, expensive and maintains stock ride height.
2.) replace with eibach, much cheaper, still comfortable for a daily, and modest lowering.
3.) replace with h&r, cheaper, much less comfy, more lowering than eibach.
4.) replace with coilovers. You're not at this level yet.

Realoem doesn't display part numbers but the springs for all xi models are the same.

I recommend option 2.

Went with option 1. Oem spring from dealer for 1 was $240. I managed to get one from another source brand new for $140.

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
Jeebus that's expensive. For $240, you can buy an entire set of eibachs (front and rear) and install them yourself in a few hours on the weekend.

Well if your in the states it might be $240 sure. By the time I order those, and have them shipped to me in Canada, and pay duties and taxes I am looking at $$$ compared to $. Also I'm on a tight timeline so sitting around waiting for parts to arrive wont happen. And to find eibach's locally I might as well just buy a new BMW as that's how much it would cost.

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
yes it's important. If one is broken, i can guarantee you that the other one isn't far behind.

What did the po do for a "refresh" 15k ago? That sounds like an awful short life for the rear spring unless something got messed up.

Well lets see, he did a suspension refresh. Basically new swaybars, shocks, springs, bushings. The PO had cash.. He did all his work at the dealer without much questions asked. I have the invoices.

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
ummm...yes it will affect things. Springs, like shocks and struts and brakes, should be replaced in pairs. Affecting handling left to right like this can be both annoying and dangerous at the same time.

You are right in that it's cake to replace the rear ones.

Agree with you partially. If my springs had 100k on them I would agree, considering these are nearly new, and my car doesn't tow or drive around with a full load constantly the springs have seen bare to no usage. This is DD which doesn't get beat up.

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
xi suspension is the same on all cars regardless of sport package. I'm not sure who the oe manufacturer is since most people, myself included, don't bother replacing oe springs with oe springs due to the breakage issue.

Well according to online reading, sport package contains stiffer springs/shocks so I at least conclude from research on here.

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
spring pads in the rear are usually ok. You can drop the rear an additional 10mm by swapping spring pads but it's not required. If/when you replace the front springs, be sure to replace those pads.

If you didn't want to spend the cash now, you will be paying more than double later on. You spent more than half the cost on one spring compared to a whole set of eibachs.

Well their ordered so I'll probably just put them in anyways.
Like I said if I had ordered a spring from the states I might of saved 10$, if I were to order a whole set I would get killed with shipping&duties. And the time frame comes into play too now.

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
you should see how much it costs to replace something that has broken as opposed to something that is nearing that point. Let me know how it goes when your water pump or explosion tank goes and costs you $5k in engine repairs as opposed to spending ~$150 on new parts.

Also, rwd models have completely different suspensions than the awd models. Please know what you're talking about before giving advice. I don't mean to be combative or a jerk but giving the wrong advice in this forum can cost people a lot of money in incorrect parts.

The aftermarket parts are designed to work with the oem components, i don't see why anything would go wrong. Depending on what the po did on a "refresh", you may or may not be nearing a whole suspension rebuild anyway.

Agree with you somewhat, if we all went with that mentality no one would be driving their car but constantly repairing and swapping out stuff. The saying, "Don't fix it unless its broke" goes far.

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
prices are boosted because you bought it from a dealer. Not sure what you expected, it doesn't matter when you live it's the same thing.

Again, all xi models have the same suspension regardless of sport package. His car probably feel tighter because the suspension is in better shape than yours. Probably another indicator that it might be time for a full rebuild.

Pricing is boosted not just from dealer but in general. Look at the bimmerspecialist.ca and tell me if his pricing is fair compared to another BMW USA based site. Any USA based site gets free shipping, some Canadian sites offer free shipping and thats like a 2 week delivery.

Well then buddy got ripped off and spent 4k for nothing a the dealer 20k ago cause they never replaced anything what it says on the invoice. Not a chance that the suspension requires a refresh.

My buddies ride was firmer, stiffer felt the bumps more. While in my BMW its a smooth ride, the bumps are not felt but it doesn't feel as sporty.

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)
i don't understand why it's impossible to believe that a 10 year old car with probably 130k on the clock has a worn out suspension.

I can tell you what they'll say at the dealer to that comment: :lmao:

It breaks because it's a 10 year old car that has a ton of miles on it that hasn't been properly maintained. The reason there are a lot of people on here have amazingly performing and functioning cars is because we're the dumbass bmw owners who replace things for the sake of doing it.

:clap:

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Originally Posted by samdoe1 (Post 14876622)

:facepalm:

That's all i can say to this post.

Inb4mycarbrokeandicantaffordtofixiteventhoughicouldhavefixed itforthousandslessifididthepropermaintenance

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good luck to the op, please do the right thing and get the work done properly and far enough in advance to prevent other issues from cropping up. Doing diy will save you a boat load of money and we're all here to help.

Thanks man, will update back on the weekend with the results. Big on DIY and I've done my fair share on this car already in the 1 year of ownership. :thanks:

As much as I would of liked to upgrade springs to get a more sporty feel right now wasn't a good time due to timing issues as well as just not sure if I want to throw that kind of money in this BMW as I'm always keeping my eyes open for new opportunities/projects :)


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